Roach wants 60-40 for Pacquiao in Mayweather fight – News
November 17th, 2009
By Eric Thomas: Trainer Freddie Roach thinks that making a deal for a fight with unbeaten Floyd Mayweather Jr. won’t be an easy task for his fighter World Boxing Organization welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao. Roach had this to say to Philstar:
The money is going to be an issue unless the sides can agree to come in at the same price. Roach not only wants Pacquiao to get the bigger slice of the pay-per-view revenue, but he also wants the bout to take place at another catch-weight.
It’s unclear if Pacquiao’s World Boxing Organization welterweight title would be on the line for the fight if Pacquiao does end up fighting Mayweather. Pacquiao captured the WBO title last Saturday night in a 12th round knockout over Miguel Cotto, in a fight that took place at a 145 pound catch weight instead of the normal 147 pound welterweight limit. Between Mayweather getting the smaller cut and then having to come in at a 145 pound catch weight, the fight would seem dead in the water if those are the final terms from Pacquiao’s side.
Roach says that Pacquiao would have to have a different fighting style for the Mayweather bout. “We [Pacquiao] need time to get ready for that fight. We have to come out with a real different style,” Roach says. You can say that again. Pacquiao would have to change his fighting style in a major way for a fight against Mayweather, because he fights nothing like Pacquiao’s last three opponents. Mayweather won’t be trying to trade shots with Pacquiao like Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton and Cotto did. All three fought more or less by standing directly in front of Pacquiao and trying to trade shots with him.
Roach doesn’t think a fight against Mayweather would be nearly as interesting as the Cotto fight ended up, saying “Cotto came to fight and Mayweather comes to run. He [Floyd] makes a boring fight, but a lot of people will buy tickets to see him lose.” Roach is right. Mayweather won’t stay and trade with Pacquiao, because his entire came in build around his defense and his ability to punch and move. Cotto was able to avoid getting hit when he started moving in the 2nd half of the fight. You could expect that Mayweather will do much better than Cotto did in that department.
Mayweather is faster than Cotto, and a much better counter puncher compared to him. Pacquiao, in effect, could be facing a bigger, faster version of Juan Manuel Marquez if he chooses to fight Mayweather. Marquez gave Pacquiao fits in his two fights with the Filipino star, fighting to a draw in their first fight and then losing a 12 round split decision in their second bout.
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Manny doesn’t talk much. He just work hard in the gym and punch so hard in the ring. It’s not part of Manny’s personality to discredit his opponents and claim victory before the fight. His humble spirit made him a much, much loved fighter by the vast majority. Nobody can take out the world’s respect for Manny. Floyd is skilled, talented, and very fast. But his loud mouth and extreme braggings are more than enough to dull his accomplishments and drive away fans and would-be fans. Love and respect for Manny; hate and boos for Floyd. No matter who wins in the ring, this truth remains.
floyd mayweather jr is ducking manny and he knows it!! rite after manny destroys mayweather manny should run 4 president of the filipines..because in my book pac-man has nothing left to prove period!!! p.s im naming my first born after manny pacquiao
pbf is not getting the respect he deserves..i was a huge marquez fan until i saw pbf destroy pipi mouth and from that point on im jumping on mayweathers side..even if he beats pacquiao at the end of the day he’s still gonna be called out by fighters hitting 40 who just want 1 last payday by the cash cow pbf mayweather..i dont blame roach and his ailing health for wanting his own fighter to get knocked out for 1 last paycheck
lets see. I think it would be better if both guys will put their natural weight on and split to the middle. Then MP will get +1% of the purse for putting more weight while PBF will get +1% (hence deducting 1% from manny’s purse)for every pound he needs to loose from his catch weight. I think both will come up with at least 55/45 in favor of manny.
I am fast losing a lot of respect for Freddie Roach … honestly !
There is much talk of opensteroid abuse by Pacman’s camp and Freddie is intentionally making the fight a non-starter by his idiotic demands.
If Pacman holds a welter belt then he should bloody well fight at the welter of 147 and stop asking his opponents to weaken themse;ves by trying to boil down to the 145 that is natural to Pacman. The the even more ludicris request for 60% of the purse. Freddie need no delude himself that the boxing public are all about Pacman … many of us true boxing fans have long had deep respect for what Floyd Maywaether Jnr is and brings to the table.
Simple solution : Fight at the corrct 147, with a 50/50 split of the gate and pay-per-view. Easy … and no bloody excuses from Roach on behalf of his fighter. stopp running scared, Freddie … your Boy will lose abd you know it too !!!!
Pacquiao vs. Mayweather
It might happen. Probably at least one more tune up fight for PBF though. He just watched a guy he’s ducked for years be schooled by a “midget.”
PBF is all talk right now. He wants the greater share of the revenue and probably won’t budge. He is going to price himself out of the fight and will blame others for the fight not being made for May 2010.
PBF will fight a B or C level fighter and his PPV numbers are going to disappoint. I think everyone other than his nuthugging boyfriends can sense his tired and exposed BS.
Roach is just doing his job and setting up the opening parameters for negotiating. Remember, negotiating is a game that takes a little time. However, I believe when it comes down to it, Team Pacquiao are game at 147lbs and 50-50. Will PBF?
I see PBF doing another tune up fight.
Manny vs Marquez III. I like Marquez, but Manny is going to settle it this time.
Maybe Manny vs winner of Mosely/Berto.
Manny doesn’t have much to prove now.
The only fight that PBF can take without exposing himself as a coward ducker is to fight a real A level welterweight his size or bigger.
Prove you are the greatest by fighting the greatest in the ring. That’s what Manny does. That’s what all the fighters we still respect have done in the past. Talk is cheap.
look im gettin sick of people saying floyed is going 2 run u win in boxing by hitting and not gettin hit i just want 2 no would anybody out there if fighting manny would u stand in front of him and get hit like cotto or hatton or any body else who lost 2 him u guys sound crazy do what works 4 u if mayweather feels he can just beat the crap out of a guy he does look at the gatti fight if he feels he has 2 stay back he will n i would do the same thing im not going 2 brawl with manny just 2 prove a point 2 some 1 who’s not a fan i mean come on now and i bet u guys manny isnt going 2 try that straght forward stuff either he’s going 2 have 2 learn how 2 not get hit as much he win his fights but come on now he take some shots in thats not going 2 b a wise plane while n the ring with mayweather
Pac has 10 fights with future Hall of Famers. Floyd only 3. His last 3. A career based on fighting mediocre competion in order to collect belts in 5 weight division and maintain the 0.
Pacquiao has 4 lineal titles. More than any fighter in history. Because he fought the best fighters so often. And the legend just continues to grow.
If you haven’t already pull up the Youtube video with Floyd and R U Rugged Man. A 20 minute radio interview in which Floyd is asked all the questions anyone with a brain would ask of someone who claims to be the best P4P fighter on the planet. First question: When you gonna fight somebody your own size Floyd? lol It gets better.
sorry mr.foreman but the last fight with marquez he lost .
LMAO Roach must be using cocaine!!!!
Question: Would Manny Pacquiao spend going on 5 years within a division of fighters like Antonio Margarito, Miguel Cotto and Shane Mosley…and not fight ANY OF THEM?
Floyd did. He’s been a Jr Welter or higher since early 2005.
Pacquiao vs Cotto
Reach =67” Reach =67” /23 ‘ ½”
Height =5’6 ½” height =5’8”
Weight =144 Weight =145
Tonight weight =? Tonight weight =?
Weight Diff =? Weight Diff =?
I do not have the weight the night they fight.
Pacquiao vs Oscar De Lahoya
Reach =25” Reach =26”
Height =5’6 ½” height =5’10.5”
Weight =142 Weight =145
Tonight weight=148.5 Tonight weight=147
Weight Diff =6.5 Weight Diff =2
Pacman put more weight than De la Hoya, De La Hoya is dehaydrated
140 Super Lightweight/ Jr. Welterweight
Pacquiao vs Hatton
Reach =25”/67 Reach =24”65
Height =5’6 ½” height =5’7”
Weight =138 Weight =140
Tonight weight =? Tonight weight =?
Weight Diff =? Weight Diff =?
Pacman has reach advantage, weight advantage unknown not posted
Hotton Loose 7lbs more to suited Pacman
130 lbs Super Featherweight
Pacquiao vs Marquez
Arm length =25” Arm length =24”
Height =5’6 ½” height =5’7”
Weight =129 Weight =130
Tonight weight=145 Tonight weight =141
Weight Diff =16 Weight Diff =11
Pacman has reach advantage, more heavier than Morales
135 Light Weight
Pacquiao vs Diaz
Reach =25” Reach =23.5”
Height =5’6 ½” height =5’6”
Weight =134.5 Weight =135
Tonight weight =147 Tonight weight =148
Weight Diff =12.5 Weight Diff =13
Pacman has reach advantage, height advantage, Weight almost even.
One of my amazing discovery about weight advantage is Pacquiao vs Morales:
Pacman vs Morales Part I
Weight ————– 130 129 1/2
Tonight weight—- 139 140
Pacman loss and his excuse Morales let him wear the glove that’s not fit him
Pacman vs Morales Part II
Weight ————– 128 1/2 130
Tonight weight—- 140 140
Pacman stop Morales in 10 Rds.
Pacman vs Morales Part III
Weight ————– 129 129
Tonight weight—- 144 139
Pacman stop Morales in the 3rd rd
Pacquiao vs Barera
Arm length =25” Arm length = 24 1/2”
Height =5’6 ½” height = 5’6”
Weight =130 Weight =130
Tonight weight =144 Tonight weight =138
Weight Diff =14 Weight Diff =8
Pacman has a weight advantage, reach advantage , height advantage
Pacquiao vs Morales II
Arm length =25” Arm length =24 ”
Height =5’6 ½” height = 5’8”
Weight =128 Weight =130
Tonight weight =140 Tonight weight =140
Weight Diff =12 Weight Diff =10
Pacman has reach advantage, put more weight
I don’t hate Pacquiao or Roach but I don’t considered him as a great boxer, because every time he fight, always all in favor on he’s side with the approval of the people behind the close curtain.
In Roach statement that Cotto have problem of losing weight. First Cotto was defeated by Margarito who has a bricks in his globe, then he fall in Roach trick. Miguel Cotto accepted a catch weight of 145lbs in favor of Pacquio because he want to prove to the boxing world that he could win the fight to a person who gain weight and power, while he is losing and draining, that’s lead him to his most painful defeat in his entire career, But even with his condition Cotto give Pacquiao a good beating, that’s indication that, in his real natural weight Pacquiao will suffer the most worse defeat in his entire career. When Marvin Hagler and Sugar Ray Leonard fought theirs no catch weight.
Welterweight limit are 147lbs and up, now Pacquiao win one of the belt in welterweight in 145lbs catch weight, should the commission will change the weight of welterweight just to accommodate the goose that lay the golden egg in favor of Roach and Pacquiao
After winning the belt to Diaz Pacquiao became a mega buck to the media, magazine and etc…. Oscar DeLa Hoya see all of this opportunity, so Dela Hoya made the most interesting match in his carier to challenge Pacquiao that will make a megabuck, but certainly on Pacquiao advantage, and the next is Hatton in Pacquiao advantage also to be sure, the goose that lay a golden egg will keep on producing a golden egg. The last of this victim is Cotto as we all observe. Do you believe that a man who could knock a big guy, could not even shake a small guy even an inch and in the nine round doesn’t know were he is. All of this certainly will not happened without the help of the big guy who really play an important role on this game.
I don’t believe Superman or Vampire exist, one thing I do believe, things happened and things that you saw and things that was done behind a close door. There’s so many comment but has no courage to investigate what’s behind to all of it. In my observation and base on the data and collection of medical findings, that when you lose weight in a short period of time, the person is weak and no stamina. In Pacquiao case every time he fight, he out-weight he’s opponent, he experience it himself when he was drained, he lose to a Thailander by way of quiting long time ago I see that fight myself in 1995, I was in the Philippines that time
PUTA INA MO LIAM SANTIAGO!!
Manny will have the most frustrating night of his life , just like Marquez.If Manny doesnt want to fight at 147 quit being weleterweight champ!!!! Who sets the rules Manny and Freddie or WBA WBC ETC , take equal money , stop making excuses , get it on ,
Ibrar Arshaid, no offence i agree with some of your comments, but your timing and accuracy is off. Hatton was never ranked number two. Mayweather beat castillo 5 years before etc. He also had 21 world title fights i believe.
roach and arum will be the reason this fight doesnt happen, there greed is worse than mayweather.i think pac would accept less if its not for arum and roach in his ear. tbh i dont hink roach thinks manny can really beat him.neither fighter deserves more, mayweather former no 1 p4p and does better numbers than pac and pac is current p4p king and also popular.
mayweather wins an easy decision !! his skill and defense will trump mp’s power anyday..
i think the split should be 60-40 in pacman’s favour. if they agree on a 50-50 split, then mayweather should come in at 145 pounds
Looks like Mayweather doesn’t have to make up a reason to not fight Pacquiao. Roach has done that for him.
Here comes Roach with his catch weight again. Just fight at the legitimate weight please?
Here comes Roach with his mind games again:
“Cotto came to fight and Mayweather comes to run. He [Floyd] makes a boring fight, but a lot of people will buy tickets to see him lose.”
The fight won’t happen at 60/40 anyway.
Ibrar Arshaid – where are you getting those lists from where the fighters that Floyd fought were ranked….Hatton was NOT #2 pound for pound…he was ranked around #8-9 and ODLH was NO WHERE near #2. I’m not even sure if he was ranked in the top 10 pound for pound. He was like the #5 Junior Middleweight, so no way he was #2. Floyd had a great career at the lower weight divisions, but look at the top Jr. welterweight, welterweight, and Jr. welterweight and name 4 guys that Floyd’s fought.
I BET YOU SUGAR SHANE WILL COME TO FIGHT AND SOMEBODY WOULD GET KNOUCK OUT
Roach need to just train and Bob Arum take care of the business part like set the Fights. Mayweather Jr. vs. Manny Pacman need to be a 50/50 split unless sum one gets knockout then the winner get’s 60 and the loser get’s 40. because they both are P4P kings.
what’s all these talks about “weight drain” from catch weight… look … the deal was done, if the LOSERS thought they would lose due to this catch weight, they wouldn’t do the deal … so that is no excuse! You lamebrains think you know all … you are not the boxer in the ring, you are probably some couch potato that thinks they can box … yaddi yadda yadda … weight drain this … if they fight at a certain weight it was all agreed by both parties (who asked your opinion, are you part of the team?) nobody had a gun to their head to sign for the fight. Both parties agreed to the terms so the fight was done. Someone had to win (Pacman) and someone had to lose (them). END OF STORY. NO MORE EXCUSES. If Pacman lost, there would be no excuse too … Cotto didn’t give any excuse, why should you?????? WTF
if mayweather don’t like 60/40 for pacquiao, how about 55/45 with cotto?
60-40 to Mayweather more like.
Typical Roach and Pacquiao…always want catch weights, it’s the only way they have a chance against big fighters…FACT!!!
..and everybody is saying Mayweather is always asking too much. Not only does Freddy want the larger cut, he wants to fight at a catch-weight again. I don’t understand how Pacquiao can even be considered a welterweight (never mind hold titles) when he has never fought at 147. Boxing is starting to get ridiculous. Put the greed aside and lets see the fight. Just my 2 cents.
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Posted November 16, 2009
Have you forgotten, Pacquiao is also the junior welterweight champion. Why not fight in that division. Pacquiao has been moving up why not have them move down if they want a piece of the pie. Mayweather won’t fight Pacquiao. I see a triology with Marquez and settle it once and for all. “The new and improve Pacquiao versus The whiz kid Juan Manuel Marquez”
mayweather will lose bigtime to the pacmonster
Shelton i totaly agree with you.
I just hope the fight happens, and this time, if it is a welterweight fight, it has to happend at 147.
Peace
Ps: cotto will come back
If you want CREDIBILITY on this website, FIRE OUT LIAM SANTIAGO!! If you want people to take your website seriously and not much like a tabloid, FIRE OUT LIAM SANTIAGO!! He is a rotten tomato that would spoil the good ones. If you writers would not want your good reputation to be spoiled by an ignorant writer FIRE OUT LIAM SANTIAGO!!
Same people that have been calling Mayweather a ducker are riding for pacman. Roach put it best “people pay to see him get beat”.We do, no better way to put it he aggorant pr*ck but unbeaten and when he fights these so called “bums” there on top of the boxing world. People cone on be for real Ocsar De La Hoya wans’t so weight drained that he had to be rehydated with an IV when he fought Mayweather. Pacman and Flyod were supposed to fight after that but Hatton swoop in and took that fight and when the bigger challenge of Shane Mosley came along (the top welterweight and bigger ppv attraction) and agreed to the weight demand of 140 for the 147 title the fight never happen. We hate Mayweather for picking matches for the money but love pacman for picking matches that Roach know he can win. I am the only who saw that roach and pacquiao pick cotto to fight after watching him fight clottey live. Now Roach is talking 60-40 For Pacquiao(which will never happen, maybe 50-50 If they are lucky) and a catch weight knowing that he had problems his last fight. Its sounds like to me someone doesn’t want to fight but he is the people champ so make excuse for him and hate mayweather but somehow somewhere deep in you mind you know I am right. Peace
Let’s go Yankees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
pacman vs mayweather will be easier for pacquio than pacman vs cotto. Pacman should start training to run faster to catch the running mayweather.
Mayweather should get $2,000,000 for every round he lasts against pacman. That way he’ll make about $6,000,000 or $10,000,000 at best.
It’ll be 50/50. Roach is just saying that for negotiating.
PBF will not be able to run from Paccy for 12 rounds. The man is an animal and he’ll win by KO.
Paccy resume is better than PBF. Wins over a prime Barrera, added to the manner he hammered Oscar, Hatton and Cotto.
MAYWEATHER WILL BEAT PAC-MAN DOWN
Mayweather was a very short, slender peenis. This is manifested in his insecurity. He will lose to Pack-man (a bigger wang, although he is a smaller guy). Floyd has a little pecker!!!!
hey manuela!! your bff marquez was knockdown by pacman 4x and your bff never ko’d pacman!! oh yeah pacman is raking millions of dollar while your bff is harvesting yam potatoes! ha ha pls don’t write on this site again! people hate you don’t you see!! go back to mental hospital where you belong!!
manuel perez lll… as that name suggests on this site is a trash!!! go back and drink pee some more!! this is the only catch weight they ask!! do ur reasearch. lol
Art SA, you are the biggest idiot. What do you think will be the PPV buys if PBF fought Cotto before Pac did? Or, better yet, before Margo fought Cotto?
Those who will say, “then why did PBF not fight Cotto back then?” Check out some past news, you may find one where Cotto said he’s not ready for PBF.
PBF will not fight Pac at a catch-weight, he is smarter than that.
Pac holds an unprecedented 8 titles. The 8th title is “Catch-Weight Champion of the World”. LoL.
u guys are all idiots- pacman deserves 70-30 he is more exciting and pound for pound #1 and pac vs cotto did 2 MILLION BUYS COMPARED TO MAYWEATHER MARQUEZ 1 MILLION!
“…Mayweather comes to run. He [Floyd] makes a boring fight, but a lot of people will buy tickets to see him lose.” -Roach
^^ STFU Freddie, your the one who’s trying to teach Khan Mayweather’s apparently “boring” style
Manny has more fans, while Mayweather have a lot of haters!!! I’ll say Roach is right 60/40
Money Mayweather will demand a bigger purse, quaranteed!! Should he get the larger purse? Well, let put it like this, to quote a Janet Jackson hit, hey Floyd, “WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY?” Fighting Marquez doesn’t warrant Floyd the bigger payday…….PERIOD! So, my fellow boxing fans we’ll be waiting a long time for this fight to happen. In the meantime, Floyd needs to fight one of the other WELTERWEIGHTS in the top five of the division.
Arshaid just looks dumb by backin that list of washed up, never been fighters!!
we’re not talking trash, were talking facts! fighters that we fans want him to fight he ducks!
and btw the purse shud b 40-40 winner takes the 20
mayweather deserves the higher purse. because he is the better fighter…16 title fights, 6 world titles at 5 weights..and undefeated. pacman was onli p4p king since floyd retired 2 years ago. where was he the last 10 years before that? nowhere near floyd anyway i know that. and floyd is underated in the amount of good fighters he has fought.
1) castillo (twice 10 years before hatton beat him)
2)corrales
3)zab judah
4)Oscar de la Hoya
5)Hatton (undefeated)
and for those who have excuses about floyds opponents just look at the time of the fight where the opponent was ranked in the p4p list..
1) Coralles- second
2)Castillo- third
3) De la hoya- second
4) Hatton- second
the list can be endless so stop talking trash about floyd, he might do it for money but so would you if you could. but since you cant make them numbers keep hating. dont hate the player, hate the game.
packman will ko mayweather. mayweather is weaker compare to cotto!
I honestly feel Pacquiao should fight Mayweather at 147 because thats what Mayweathers gonna come in as anyway and thats the actual weight of the division. As far as split, it should be 50/50.
winner gets 70 and loser gets 30..but boxing always lacks the best fighting in their prime..
why dont the just agree a split on the amount.. but always something stopping the best getting it on..a JOKE
this is what i mean..boxers cant get in the ring and get it on
Spot on – “FITS” I like it haha lol