“Win, Lose, Draw (Using History to See Why Pacquiao Beats Mayweather)”
January 5th, 2010
By Ryan Dunn: Okay, okay, when it comes to boxing, we are all going to have our reasons for believing Mayweather will be unstoppable against Manny Pacquiao, or why Pacquiao will knock Mayweather out easier than he did De La Hoya, or why the judges will have to decide such a close match-up. We make the most impressive troupe of armchair quarterbacks in all of sports, and every one of us believes we have it all figured out. But the truth is, I am the only one with such a rare and impressive skill. Ha.
I need to start, however, by letting you know that I believe Pacquiao will win by TKO in the late rounds, and that he will achieve this with a smart use of body punching, a tactic which worked well for Castillo even though the Mexican warrior lost both fights against Mayweather. I believe Floyd has soft hands and lacks the willingness to take risks to do anything significant to Manny. I believe Manny’s unorthodox head movement, improved defense, uncanny hand speed and balanced two-fisted attack will simply be too much for Mayweather to handle.
With all of that said, let’s begin with the man we love to hate, the Moneymaker himself…
Floyd “Money” Mayweather has scored five knockouts since his impressive victory over Diego Corrales. That was ten years and sixteen fights ago. Since then, he has fought the occasional great champion (Castillo, Corrales, Judah), with a lot of filler in between (C. Hernandez, Sosa, N’dou, and a Gatti who proved he was no match for De La Hoya). Floyd IS, however, undefeated, a claim which Pacquiao himself cannot boast.
Many fans question whether Floyd has always took on the toughest opponents, or whether his record is padded with calculated risk-taking. Here is one example:
Kostya Tszyu fights Sharmba Mitchell in November, 2004, and knocks him out. Tszyu goes on to fight Ricky Hatton in June, 2005, and gets knocked out decidedly by the Hitman. Five months later, who does Mayweather choose to fight? That’s right, Sharmba Mitchell. Not Hatton, not even Kostya Tszyu.
True, Mayweather went on to fight Hatton two years later, but I believe it was out of pride (Hatton was quite aggressive in calling Floyd out after beating Castillo: “There was more action in those four rounds than in Floyd Mayweather’s last half dozen fights.”)
Floyd has so much as admitted that taking punishment in boxing brawls isn’t cool. I can understand and apprecaite that; heck Hopkins is one of my favorite fighters of all time. He also has said that “legacy don’t pay the bills”. That’s fine. He has stated he is in the money making business. Aren’t they all? He doesn’t speak with a passion for proving himself, or becoming the best by fighting the best, which bugs me a bit. And he says he doesn’t duck or dodge anyone, though he seldom will challenge the best fighters willing to fight him. Let’s look at a few of his bigger victories…
Mayweather couldn’t knock out Judah, the smaller man who scored an unofficial knockdown in the second round. Judah threw a few illegal punches, two of which caused Roger Mayweather to enter the ring, thus inciting a veritably riot in the ring before action resumed. Judah was simply frustrated with the non-confrontational fighting style of Mayweather (a theme common to with many Floyd’s opponents).
Mayweather couldn’t knock out Castillo (twice he tried, and failed). Castillo showed how working the body and keeping up stamina can work against Floyd. He beat Mayweather in the later rounds of their first fight this way, and it required Floyd getting scrappy to work his way out. Castillo also controlled the middle rounds in their rematch, using a lot of body work before Mayweather finally got out of the way and danced to victory.
Mayweather couldn’t knockout De La Hoya, and of all of his fights, I think this one is the most telling as to what we can expect to see if Floyd enters the squared circle against Manny. Can Mayweather dig deep and find a way to deliver on his fight plan? Or will he dance around the ring with his in-out-jab-shoulder-roll techniques? I just don’t think he will have that luxury against Pacquiao.
He couldn’t put Gatti down, never put Sosa on the mat, and Hernandez had him on the canvas before losing on points. Even DeMarcus Corley had Mayweather wobbled in the fourth round despite going on to losing a tactical fight thereafter.
The point I’m making is this: nobody can produce any evidence of a scenario where Mayweather finds a way to knock out or truly dominate Pacquiao. Manny is not a stationary target. He is hittable to be sure, but he can take a good punch, as demonstrated vs. Cotto and Hatton (however brief the latter fight was). He has spent the past ten years relentlessly working on ways to improve his strength, stamina and endurance, while expanding his talent with both fists. If Cotto couldn’t at least score a knock-down against Manny, what makes anybody think Mayweather can? He is a sharp puncher, accurate as they come, but not strong.
Alright, onto the pride of the Phillipines, the Pacman…
Ten years ago, Manny Pacquiao was a largely unknown fighter but about to break it into the big-time. He was a one-fisted puncher with an under-developed right hand. He was a speedy southpaw with little regard for his own body while throwing the kitchen sink at his opponents. In some ways he has not changed a bit. In other ways, he’s an entirely new fighter.
I will start his journey with his TKO victory over Barrera, who was at that moment (November, 2003) the undisputed pound-for-pound champion of the world. Manny has fought fourteen times since then, and of those fights, he has nine knockouts. If we go back a full ten years, however, his record is 23-1-2 with 16 knockouts (compared with Mayweather’s aforementioned record of 16-0-0 with 6 knockouts).
Pacquiao knocked out Barrera in the 11th round of their first fight. It was a war, but Manny never faded. He put Barrera on the canvas in the 3rd round, then again in the 11th, at which point Marco’s corner threw in the towel. This was Barrera at his prime, folks, not a washed up has-been on his last legs. He was the best opponent possible, and Manny destroyed him.
Later, Pacquiao would fight and knock Marquez down three times in the first round. After that round, however, Marquez proved why he was the dark horse of boxing everyone was afraid to face (like Paul Williams is today and Winky Wright was a few years back). The fight was a draw only because one of the judges failed to score the first round 10-6, as most if not all would agree it should have been. Their rematch would turn out to be much closer, though it went Manny’s way in the end. Marquez is, in my opinion, the only style of fighter who can pose challenges for Manny: a strong, accurate warrior with great defense and a willingness to trade and take risks. Mayweather DOES has good defense. He is NOT, however, a risk-taker on any level.
Pacquiao lost to Erik Morales in their first of three match-ups. He cites weakness from drawn blood, as well as a psychological effect from the NSAC mix-up (conspiracy theorists wonder whether the missing vile was part of a Morales plot to throw Pacquiao off, I’m not so sure about that). Nobody knew of Manny’s blood incident at the time of the fight, however, and it appeared to simply be a great match-up of two exciting fight styles. However, Manny had Morales wobbled in the 12th round, proving his stamina and ferocity despite his “incident”. Morales would lose both of their subsequent fights by convincing knockout. It’s worth noting that the only two losses on Morales’s record at the time of his first fight with Manny were against Barrera. So there is no “he was over the hill” excuse there.
Pacquiao knocked out the then undefeated Solis despite a nasty cut over Pacquiao’s left eye. He also dismantled David Diaz, a fighter who would turn out to be tragically overrated, yet still a bigger man than Manny. Velazquez tasted canvas against the Filipino and so did Lucero just one fight before Manny went on to beat Barrera.
The fights with De La Hoya and Hatton both have an asterisks behind them, as Floyd got to these men first and beat them. However, if you think that simply losing to Floyd is enough to break a man’s will, you must be listening a little to closely to Floyd himself. He doesn’t devastate an opponent in the way a Sugar Ray Leonard or a Mike Tyson or a George Foreman or a Wladimir Klitchko, or (yes) a Manny Pacquiao can. So it’s worth looking at HOW Mayweather and Pacquiao handled both of those fighters, and how they won. You can look that up on your own.
Since fighting Barrera six years ago, Pacquiao has proved (to my mind) that he is no little man with fast hands. He is powerful, unorthodox, and hard to beat. He doesn’t fade late, and he can take a good jab as well as he can take an uppercut to the chin. I know many wonder if he has been abusing drugs, or other substances which give him an edge and supernatural strength as he fights at higher weights, and for that I have an answer as well…
As you can see in my diagram of PACQUIAO’S WEIGHT SINCE 2005 [link: http://www.liftingfaces.com/uploads/mannys_weight.jpg], there is a pattern. A rehydrated Manny Pacquiao has only put on ten pounds in five years, and that growth has been slow and steady with no sudden spikes. From what I can discern, Manny simply dehydrated himself MORE to make the lower weight classes, because he and his trainer felt he would be most effective fighting around 130. When he went up to fight Diaz at 135, and then De La Hoya at 142, he realized he could still be effective at the higher weights. My unofficial weight in his Cotto fight is speculation based on some second-hand “insider” information I have gleaned on another message board. It seems plausible enough so I kept it in.
Manny never went down in his match-up against Cotto last November, and was caught off balance once, maybe twice in the whole fight before going on to utterly dismantle the “bigger, stronger fighter”. Manny was convincingly more accurate and stronger. He won in an exciting fashion and gave fans every penny worth, as he always does. Floyd on the other hand, like Hopkins, doesn’t really care what the fans want. I don’t blame him for it, but he is not exciting as a result, that’s a fact. It’s his mouth outside the ring, and the fact that people want to see him beaten, that keeps him in the spotlight.
CONCLUSION
I’ve made my case as clear as I believe I can. I think it’s worth looking at history rather than speculation when deciding what might happen in the ring. Pacquiao has never faced an opponent like Floyd, because there is nobody as fast or hard to hit as Mayweather. And Floyd has never faced an opponent like Pacquiao, because there is nobody as strong for their size who throws combinations from angles you can’t train against.
But speed and strength, in this fight, win out over defense and precision. Floyd will have better foot control, and a larger ring to dance around, but when he is frazzled by Manny’s onslaught, bad things are going to happen, and they are going to happen in Pacquiao’s favor. Manny will destroy the body and put together 3, 4, and 5 punch combinations which will break Mayweather’s will. Floyd will curl up like a ‘possum and unload with his flashy sharp punches, but they will fall short and lack the power required to beat Pacquiao.
In the end, Pacquiao wins by TKO in round 10. I don’t know if it will be more entertaining to see Roger run into the ring to save his nephew from more damage, or to see Floyd on his back staring up at the bright lights overhead, wondering where his fight plan went wrong.
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I loved this well written article and great website. Very informative. Keep up the good work!
@lex
sorry one of my paragraphs got messed up there. start reading my entry with @lex
…ryan
Do you see the problem here? The false accusations by Team Mayweather don’t mean that Pacquiao has to prove his innocence. The truth is, by proving his innocence, Mayweather and his low-life cronies get their way. You see what they did? They screwed up a man’s image, and never even had to produce a single ounce of evidence to support their claim. Smoke and mirrors, and they haven’t been required to prove any guilt.Why has nobody asked Team Mayweather to offer some proof of their claims? If you really think that basing it off of Floyd Sr.’s personal opinion that Manny is too strong for his current weight, you’re a bigger idiot than they are.@lex_fugitive
Try this logic for a minute…
Manny agreeing to testing for this fight does not clear whatever rumors there may be surrounding his past abuses. Does it?
If he was worried strictly about proving the fans who believe this Mayweather garbage wrong (btw, this is limited almost entirely to Mayweather fans, or Anti-Pacquiao fans), then he would willingly agree to the testing and maybe win maybe lose.
However, he is not refusing because he intends to continue using steroids (going off your presumption that denying the testing makes him guilty). He is refusing to take the tests because he believes bloodwork too close to the fight will weaken him as he fasts and dehydrates in preparation for the fight.
Couple that fact with the fact that this sort of request has not been made by Mayweather in any of his other fights with bigger men, nor has it been asked of any boxer for any fight so far.
Couple THAT with the fact that the way which Team Mayweather went about this was to start false rumors without facts, to stir up the public opinion until people like you and a million others start to assume the guilt lies with Pacquiao somehow.
You only see a man refusing a test and using that as evidence of guilt.
Try this scenario…
—
A police officer approaches a man on the street. The officer has four giant knives tucked into his waist. “You’re coming with me,” he says to the man, as he grabs him by the elbow.
The man pulls away. “Where are we going?” he asks.
“Don’t play smart with me, sir,” the cop says. “We’re taking a trip downtown.”
“What? For what?”
“For juggling with knives.”
“Juggling with– Are you serious? I don’t juggle with any knives. What makes you think I –”
Just then, the cop lets the man go, and pulls the knives out from his waist.
“If you don’t juggle with knives, then prove it. Here.” The cop offers the knives to the man.
—
At this point, how do you finish the story? Here’s the Mayweather way:
—
SCENARIO 01:
The man takes the knives in his hands. “Now what?”
“Start juggling. If you can’t handle the knives, I’ll know you are innocent.”
“But what if I get injured?”
“Not my problem. If you don’t juggle, though, you’re coming with me.”
The man begins to juggle, and after the third machete hits the air, the first two land blade down against his arm and shoulder. The man begins to bleed, and lets out a yell of pain while falling to his knees clutching his injuries.
The cop, satisfied, walks away with a smile.
People around look with confusion at both men.
—
SCENARIO 2:
The man refuses to take the knives. “No, I’m not going to juggle for you just because you say I was juggling.”
The cop puts the knives away then grabs the man by the elbow. “Then you’re coming with me. Simple as that!”
The man pulls away, angry. “What proof do you have that I juggled with knives?”
The cop gestures to the man’s arm. “You have a scar on your forearm. Right there. And you remind me of a guy who used to juggle with knives.”
“And that makes me guilty?”
“It’s good enough for me. Now shut up and let’s go.”
The cop escorts the man down the sidewalk forcefully toward his cop car. A crowd of people are now pointing and staring at the man as they pass, certain he is some sort of criminal.
—
Do you see the problem here? The false accusations by Team Mayweather don’t mean that Pacquiao has to prove his innocence. The truth is, by proving his innocence, Mayweather and his low-life cronies get their way. You see what they did? They screwed up a man’s image, and never even had to produce a single ounce of evidence to support their claim. Smoke and mirrors, and they haven’t been required to prove any guilt.
Why has nobody asked Team Mayweather to offer some proof of their claims? If you really think that basing it off of Floyd Sr.’s personal opinion that Manny is too strong for his current weight, you’re a bigger idiot than they are.
…ryan
HGH is one of the least likely PEDs for a boxer to use and yet the fact that no one has been caught for that proves this is a ruse? Yep, testing for PEDs that would give a fighter an unfair advantage is a ruse. Still trying to figure out how that ruse got into baseball…
ryan your link shows why Pacmnan is against random testing. It takes a whole 24 hours to get HGH out of the system. And what about EPO? And other PEDs? Manny is unwilling to take these tests that would show the PEDs a boxer would get the most from. Yet Manny is still afraid of these tests. Just like he is afraid of any counter-puncher.
Very interesting. I am also leaning toward it all being a ruse anyway. I will check that link, thanks.
@Ancient
That quote you pulled is in direct conflict with the article on the Bleacher Report website. I think the URL is too long to be posted here but do the search recommended below, or view it through my article on my blog: http://www.liftingfaces.com
Dr. Catlin has said that nobody has been caught using HGH in 30 years, using urine or blood, and that only just recently have they developed a form of URINE testing which will catch it. It test uses what Ceres Nanosciences calls “NanotrapTM ESP Particles”.
The point is, the blood tests were just a ruse to get out of the fight, that much is becoming clear. Let’s hope that the defamation suit goes forward, and he is forced to pay for his smear campaign before the two finally fight in the Fall.
…ryan
Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA, told Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports that:
“There is no urine-based tested for human-growth hormone,” Tygart said. “It doesn’t show up in the urine. It’s only a blood-based test. That’s true of a number of prohibited substances, particularly those that would enhance and aid a boxer.”
Tygert also added the schedule Arum is proposing won’t work, because a fighter would have the advantage of knowing when he’d be tested.
“That kind of window is totally unacceptable,” Tygart said. “It would provide a huge loophole for a cheater to step through and get away with cheating.”
Dr. Gary Wadler, an internal medicine physician and chairman of the World Anti-Doping Agency’s Prohibited List and Methods sub-committee, supported Tygar’s position.
@ryan
About those urine tests:
Now i don’t want to sound pompous here but um, i read (and no it wasn’t a PacFan column or website) an interview with one of the guys that work in drug testing field that urine analysis used to catch all traces of doping but that was before this new age of “smart” drugs. They reckon that now there are so many ways to cover up these trace elements that blood testing becomes necessary. I will try to find the link maybe its nonsense but i am inclined to believe otherwise.
@Honest Pac Fan
That’s a sad, though unsurprising article you just posted. Let’s see the finger pointing begin, and hope that this fight can happen some other time when cooler heads can prevail.
…ryan
@Ryan
Naaa I don’t believe Manny is doping at all. The only reason I put all this link on so all this accusers start reading them.. somehow I’m hoping that I’m helping…
@Honest Pac Fan
That’s just another Op Ed on the same topic. That nobody has been caught in 30 years using HGH with blood tests.
The problem is, all of the people who think Manny is showing guilt by not doing blood tests don’t realize that urine tests actually find MORE substances than blood. Look it up on your own if you don’t want to take my word for it. Manny has agreed to unlimited urine samples up to and on the night of the fight.
…ryan
To all, please read:
http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article.php?aid=19050
@I’m Just Saying
Aw, so close. You made it two posts but couldn’t eke out the third FTW. Sorry, Mr. Jerome McFinnigan, but you lose.
I like it better when we talk like adults though, just between you and me.
…ryan
@I’m Just Saying
There you go, that’s better. It wasn’t so hard was it? I think that’s two posts in a row now without an insult at a fellow poster.
I’m glad to see you acknowledge Manny going up to fight Foreman is a gamble. You’re right. Personally I don’t think he needs the 8th belt. That’s like running up the score in a Colts game. He’s already got the record, fyi, he would just be setting more distance between himself and De La Hoya.
And I agree, Lil’ Hatton vs. Mayweather would be snooze fest 2010. They should fight it in the Wizard’s locker room for irony’s sake.
To be honest, if the Mayweather Pacquiao fight doesn’t happen in March, two interim fights (tune up fights), one for each of them, will just be a way to get to this fall when they both end up making $50M a piece instead.
…ryan
@Ryan and lex_fugitive
google this, it might take you to the article:
Olympic Tests Have Never Detected HGH in an Athlete: USADA Backs Urine
By Kevin Riley
@Ryan…
Naaa…
There’s another article.. I just can’t post the link for some reason because the site doesn’t let me.
@lex_fugitive
Let me say this again:
The other article is trying to point out that even the olympic style testing has caught NO ONE using PED’s through blood test. And I’ll ask you again, give me your email add so I can send you the link.
@Ryan
Sorry my bad. We did stop arguing already so I hope that was the end of it.
@Honest Pac Fan / lex_fugitive
I think this might have been the article you were looking for, though the facts are a little bit different from what you were saying:
http://www.examiner.com/x-5699-NY-Boxing-Examiner~y2010m1d5-Olympic-drug-guru-Blood-AND-urine-testing-must-for-MayweatherPacquiao
Here’s what Dr. Catlin had to say about HGH testing…
“Did you know that, in the last 30 years, nobody has been caught using HGH because there is not a good enough test as of yet. You can stop using HGH for one day, just one day, and you can be clean in any test.”
…ryan
If it doesn’t happen, no sweat. I will not purchase neither of their fights again until Pac/Floyd fights Shane or Williams. No one cares to see Pac and Foreman (although he could get that 8th title and ink himself in the history book) an I damn sho don’t want to see Floyd and Matt Hatton (I’d rather watch grass grow). The thing about Pac going up against the bigger Foreman, is that if Pac looses, that would be a devestating blow to him and boxing (that would be as upsetting to the boxing world as Tiger sex scandal is to golf) and it will never be a future fight between Pac and Floyd because Floyd will say whats the reason for fighting him if he has no belts, and a loss to dust feather light hitting non boxing Foreman would put floyd back to the top as being the P4P and we all know Floyd is and will use that to his advantage and make negotiating a future fight between the two of them completely impossible (I would have a better chance of hooking up with Kim Kardashian). So I hope it’s not off. It’s a dangerous gamble for Pac to move up to fight Foreman, he has everything to loose. Man I would cry if that was to happen, because we as fans would have been robbed of the biggest fight in recent times.
@I’m Just Saying
After reading far too many posts by you on this thread, here is what I’ve learned about you:
1) You talk too much, and most of what you say is sh\t talk.
2) Next to Hearther Zeo, you’re the worst teacher I’ve ever heard of.
3) You say you “don’t even listen to rap”. By the way you talk and write, I’m gonna guess you’re more of a Country & Western. That is, when you’re not watching the opera on PBS, or re-reading Othello in your study.
4) You’re continual self-compliments only prove you are insecure.
5) You talk too much.
Here’s my sage advice, where grasshopper becomes teacher for a fleeting moment: Try to find something intelligible to say, and when you figure out what it’s going to be, try to say it in as few words as possible.
(That is, right after you look up Heather Zeo the same way you looked up Rick Ross to produce your wise insight that he was a correctional officer. Droppin’ knowledge!)
Your most recent post is probably the most sense you’ve made since you started flooding my article with your nonsense. The only problem is you back pedaled about three steps when you said: “Do I think Manny Pacquiao is on drugs? No.”
It wouldn’t be a problem on its own, except for the fact that you, oh dearest teacher of mine, referred to the very same non-drug using boxer as Manny PacRoid just last night.
@Honest Pac Fan
I have to say, the only dumb thing you’ve done on this board is attempt to engage in a meaningful debate with Mr. Saying, our homeroom teacher.
…ryan
That is BS. No one has ever tested positive for any PED in a blood test that can only be detected in a blood test? Convenient how that doesn’t show up. And why, WHY, would Manny refuse testing if this is true?!? No Random testing!! manny’s 6th or 7th demand or he walks! Still waiting to hear why Manny won’t do random tests that would show HGH, EPO and other PEDs.
So maybe in six months it might be possible to detect HGH in urine tests? And what about EPO? The PED that would benefit a boxer the most? No word on that. But lets just ignore that and every aspect of the fight that Manny has to have exactly his way or he will walk and fight Yuri with none of the same demands. The facts speak for themselves honest pacfan; the only way to test for HGH, EPO and other PEDs is blood testing and Manny will only allow blood tests if he knows when they will be ahead of time. And he hasn’t offered one reason for this that hasnt been proven beyond any doubt to be a lie. This MAY be a urine test that can detect HGH and MIGHT be on the market in as little as 6 MONTHS. This is nothing but a red herring. Hey look at this test that might work in 6 months and ignore what Manny is doing now!
@Im just saying and Lex_FUgitive
basically what the other article was trying to say is that NO ONE HAS BEEN CAUGHT THROUGH BLOOD TESTING and it’s arguing the reasons why the Mayweathers are still insisting when as mentioned NO ONE has been caught by the method.
@im just saying and lex_fugitive
For some reason it won’t let me give you the other link.
but atleast the one below worked.
@im just saying and lex_fugitive
another post from the article i’m trying to show you added a link to another article that explains a new way of testing. I just hope this works:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2008-07-22-hgh-urine-test_N.htm
@Im just saying
I agree with the general message you are relaying.
I just read (not confirmed) that the fight is off. Apparently Manny asked for 24days before and Mayweathers said no. Also if you can give me your email add so I can send you a link.
Thanks….
The thing about me is simple. I don’t care for Manny or Pac personally, neither one of them has ever given me a thing, we ain’t never hang and chilled. I love the sport of boxing. The object of the game is to hit and not be hit. But it requires a skilled mind, and razor sharp reflex instincts maneuver the way Floyd does in the ring. There are a few fighters I wish he would have already fought, but I say that about all the boxers who get to the top and start to avoid certain people, Floyd, Pac, DLH, Jones Jr, even Ali sidestepped some opponents. But the truth is, when these finish fighting and leave the ring none of us gonna really give 2 $hits about them, so for them all they choose (match up, styles, etc.) with opponents they feel they can beat and will cause them the least damage, because when they walk away nobody cares about their health, so they take these precautions to keep their health. Do I personally believe Manny is on drugs, No. However the inner circles of boxing has been talking for a while now about Pac, Jones Jr, Tyson, Shane and others possibly taking things that may not be steroids but something that is/were causing donkey strength. Floyd is the first fighter to bring it to the forefront in this manner, but people been talking and whispering for a while now. Boxing is brutal and has the potential to kill and/or leave the fighter mentally impaired for life. For that reason alone, is why I think this new level of testing is good for the sport. I want to see a good fight, but I don’t want to see another fighter taken to the hospital and later dieing from crushing blows to the head or being left in the condition of Ali. Boxing has the chance and opportunity to lead the sporting world by example. Progress comes through change, if we stuck to the ways of old majority of the civil liberties and freedoms we have as people would not exist, so change is good, and in this particular instance I believe that this change would definitely be beneficial to not only boxing but the sporting world at large. Boxing has the most corrupt history of all sporting events. Promoters, trainers, managers, fighters themselves over the years have a terrible track record of being ruthless, crooked, savages. The best knock out artist ever said it best “boxing is a hurt business.” Mike Tyson. It is what it is, but boxing needs a cleaning from top to bottom.
@lex_fugitive
Sorry but if you don’t give me your email add, I can’t give you the link…
@lex_fugitive
give me ur email add, i’ll give u a link.
It won’t let me post it here. I don’t know why.
An honest pacfan;
You can provide links to your Manny fan clubs, but you supposedly have a credible one and it won’t let you post it? Are u serious? You can’t provide any proof to anything you say, but apparently you have a “phantom link”. Or are you just superstitious of posting a link?
An honest pac fan;
You provide a link to a Pacquiao fan club to prove your point. I don’t depend on any Mayweather to give me info, nor do I take an anyonmous author on a Pacquai fan club to be accurate. The MDs and biochemists and admitted users and providers i.e. Victor Conte disagree with your Pacman fan. Really? You provide a link to a bogus Pacquiao fan club and can’t provide any link that says anything halfway similar?? Arum, Manny, and Roach don’t know this either? And none of the writers anywhere know this? Just an unknown person on a Pacquiao fan club? You provide a link and when asked to provide one thats halfway credible you can’t. you and all the Pactards out there have to make stuff up. Afraid of needles, superstitious, wants regular rules, wouldn’t help him anyway etc. etc. The fact is none of Manny’s excuses are close to being true and yours is absurd. And you know it. Manny still won’t explain why he lied about why he won’t take the tests or has he offered any plausible explanation. Pacquiao is scared to death and that is pretty obvious. Now he has his fans like you making up lies like he did. Classy.
@Im just saying
Although there is an article that I have been trying to post here but won’t let me post the link about USADA testing. If you are interested.
Except that I don’t know how to relay it to you because as mentioned it won’t let me post it here.
@Im just saying
Haven’t read about that one
Sorry no comment.
it’s pointless Pacfan. Change of subject…… How stupid of that was it for Gilbert Arenas to have a weapon in the Wizards locker room. Suspended indefinitely. He gets the EPIC FAIL for 2010.
@Im Just Sayin
You talk too much. From all of what you wrote here is what I’ve learned:
1) You talk too much.
2) You don’t actually know that much.
3) You might be the worst teacher since Heather Zeo.
4) Apparently you “don’t even listen to rap”, I’m guessing by the way you talk you must be a country and western fan (when you’re not listening to the opera).
5) You are insecure.
6) You talk too much.
You also failed my no-insult contest, making you a poor competitor on top of everything else.
Here’s some advice: Go find something noteworthy to say, then figure out a way to say it with as few words as possible.
After you Google Heather Zeo of course. Nice find on Rick Ross being a correction officer. Droppin knowledge!
…ryan
@Im just saying
I thought you’re waiting???
@Im just saying
You might think that those columnists you mentioned have got a better say than Joe, but he definitely has a better say than you – FACT
@Im just saying
Joe Gossen does not have any stake to this fight so he’s not being biased, that’s he’s opinion – FACT
@Im just saying
I do not google for information to argue with you because I already admitted to you that you know more about boxing than me – FACT
@Im just saying
Lieing Pacfan, yeah I changed your name for you – Shows how childish you are – FACT
Lieing Pacfan talk to me buddy. Just one historian. thats funny, i’m asking you for one historian, like the world is asking Pac for one blood test before the fight. Neither will happen lol. You won’t find in your search just like the world know that Pac will pass on 40 million to keep from being exposed. Just ONE historian, go ahead i’ll wait…………..
Lieing Pacfan, yeah I changed your name for you, you going on record in here stating that a trainer who is paid to train, opinion is carries more weight than world wide known and respected sports writers/analyst opinion? Who not only publish their opinions, but are legally obligated and liable for what they speak on. You are the Larry Merchant of this forum, speaking none sense. When you learn boxing you will learn that trainers train and sell themselves, promoters promote and attempt to rake in the money. News Flash silly, they say any and everything to keep a paycheck in their pocket, that is why their opinions are biased and often time suck. Like Arum recently saying that Pac was the best fighter he has seen, including over the Great Ali. Even you not stupid enough to believe that horse shi! are you? You show/name me one world renowned sports analyst who has ever or will ever rank Pac above Ali, go ahead i’ll wait…………… And that my friend is the reason trainers and promoters words are taken lightly. Larry Merchant got the boot from HBO for Max Kellerman for a reason, learn your history and fully understand what you attempt to speak on before open mouth and insert foot. Go ahead, name me one well known and respected boxing historian who will put Pac ahead of Ali. There are several who have said that Pac has risen to be ONE of the greatest, but thats where it stops at, and the same ones have said that Floyd has risen to be One of the greatest IF NOT THE BEST EVER. You see my friend, historians choose their words carefully. They have never went as far as to even hint that Pac could possibly be the best ever like they have with Mayweather! Get your google finger going buddy, i don’t care how much you wiki, google, ask.com you will not find one historian to hint that Pac could be the greatest ever, but in your search you will find floyd has been mentioned numerous times. and after this fight the little doubt thats there keeping the historians from giving him the greatest ever, including over Ali, will be bestowed upon him. this is the last test for Floyd to pass and that my friend is what the historians are waiting for. Not the word of a trainer (who has no prize fighters in his stable) says.
@Im just saying
And stop telling me you are teaching me something. Because if what you are saying is what you are teaching, then I choose not to learn childish, illogical, self proclaiming and conflicting lessons.
Better to go discuss with Mayweather.
@Im just saying
You should just keep drinking guiness because as much as you know about boxing you really don’t present much argument.
When you start talking about the Dan Wetzel, Kevin Mitchell’s, or the SI.com Richard O’Brien’s. HONEST PAC FAN THOSE ARE TRUSTWORTHY RELIABLE UNBIASED and lets not forget RESPECTED and well paid sports columnist.
LOL. As you just said each one of them has their own @ssholes (opinions). You know what’s funny too? You are pretty much saying that those people you mentioned are better than the Joe Goossen. Just like you’re almost implying that you are better than him.
So stick with your guiness…..
@An Honest Pacman Fan. Joe Goossen, the 2005 Cali HOF trainer. That is one mans opinion. Opinions are like @ssholes, we all have one. When you start talking about the Dan Wetzel, Kevin Mitchell’s, or the SI.com Richard O’Brien’s. HONEST PAC FAN THOSE ARE TRUSTWORTHY RELIABLE UNBIASED and lets not forget RESPECTED and well paid sports columnist. Who words are you going to take to heart, a trainer, a promoter, a blogger or columnist who are legally responsible and liable for any and everything they put into print for the large companies they work for and represent. Now you understand why I can and do easily pick on you. Your not gay but your boyfriend is, thats the kind of logic you use when you try your best to state your case, its simply stupid logic that any student of boxing know is complete BS you trying to pull outta your @ss and google. I can see that little rat running around inside your head right now, thinking…… Dude stop it for real, I’m trying to enjoy the rest of my Guinness. I told you last night, lets talk golf or even the cooking channel, something YOU might actually be good at.
@Im just saying
And you know what, by the way its goind, you might just get schooled by the guy who only watched boxing for a week. I hope you have a wonderful day.
@Im Just Saying
Just in case you are so good I still can’t get anything into your head, how bout watch this and tell me you are better than the guy talking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw8sWUSvEcQ&feature=channel
@Im just saying
LOL.. You really are a down right illogical person to talk to. And you are starting to sound like Mayweather. How many times do you have to keep pressing that you are better than all of us? Except that Ryan schooled you and you couldn’t get back. LOL… And the only reason I didn’t ellaborate on Floyd’s front page and not mention Rick Ross is because for me your being childish by including their personal exploits as an argument. And if you want to start with these sort of crap, then maybe you should start looking at the criminal convictions/allegations on your much adored Mayweather team.
Honest Pacfan, you simple, thats why I pick on you, because you been watching boxing for like a week and try to talk like you really know boxing. And dude keep up, you slow, everybody know that dude (Rick Ross, the fake gansta rapper, but was actually a correctional officer) said some stuff about Floyd for no reason at all, just trying to see his Cd (which did not sell well at all). So Floyd manned up and let it be known, it would be trouble if they ever came face to face. Didn’t I make you silly last night by constantly hitting you with fact after fact on top of fact. I don’t even listen to rap and I know about this year long beef between them two. Dude keep up for real or I will shut you down again like last night with overwhelming you with FACTS.
@Im just saying
For somebody who claims to be older and more mature than me you are starting to sound like a kid.
And news flash 1: Thant’s old news
News flash 2: Your kid Mayweather just got on the headlines too for getting into a scuffle with some rapper dude.
And incase you haven’t noticed, if you try and pile up any negative personal lives of Team Pacquiao, start thinking of the negative personal adventures of your great Mayweather team. Do you want me to start mentioning them just in case you decided to turn a blind eye.
Wassup Honest Pacman Fan, how you doing today buddy? Buddy, I got some disturbing news, Pac is listed as a key eye witness to some legal drama surrounding the roach. Dude, it’s not looking good. First he caught cheating on his wife, got all of us believing he on the ‘Juice’, and now this. We have to stick together brother. Me and you, we need to stage a protest or sue somebody. I’m in this with you brother, whatever you want to do i’m with it, well almost anything, I need at least a 30 day advance notice if needles will be involved, other than that, we can do this.
Here is Arum, who so loudly defended Margarito after he was caught wearing tampered hand wraps and a knuckle pad in his locker room the night he was to fight Shane Mosley. This is the same Margarito who gave Cotto the worst beating of his life not long before that fight with Mosley, a beating Cotto now believes was suspect under the quite reasonable assumption that if Margarito and his trainer were loading his hand wraps it didn’t start against Mosley.
This is the same Arum who has steadfastly stood with Pacquiao as he has repeatedly refused to accept any kind of blood test that might actually be effective even as fighters like Kermit Cintron and Paulie Malignaggi, along with Mayweather’s father, insist there’s something funny about how heavy-handed Pacquiao has become even though he has never tested positive for anything.
This is also the same Arum who promotes Cotto while defending Margarito. The same Arum who promotes Cotto while defending Pacquiao. The same Arum who has suggested the comeback fight for Cotto should be a rematch with Margarito as soon as Margarito’s suspension for wearing those plasterized handwraps is lifted. Pac fans have to be the most ignorant fans in the world. Google the above ^^ for yourself, read it and weep. Yes I know it is heartbreaking for you Pac fans, but it really time to be men in here, and fess up, Arum is making sure another one of his dirty fighters isn’t exposed.
@ H
I think you had the most fair assessment of this whole situation, and I agree with you 100%.
@Alex
Sorry took me a while to respond to you. Went home for the day, I was getting tired of trying to get logic out of some people. So to continue on I would like to say, yes you are rediculous because by your statement that hitting Mayweather clean is like winning the Lotto, we both know you are exagerating. And add to that that further down the track you changed your tune because Ryan cornered you. And I quote you by saying this to Ryan:
“I very much agree that Manny has what it takes to get to Floyd. ”
As one of your co-Mayweather fans tried to push on me on our previous back and forth conversation….. CHECKMATE!
@daniel
What do I say to that? I say that Floyd is a great fighter, who has not yet fought Manny Pacquiao. And does not have a fight on his record which reflects Manny’s style imho.
And did I ever pretend that I was not for Pacquiao? I told you in the opening of my article, and I repeated my prediction at the end. Seemed clear to me.
…ryan
well Mr.Dunn, it does not take a genius to figer out, you like manny more than floyd. But here is a Fact: Floyd beat most of his opponents with one hand. what do you say to that?
To Lou,
Those are a lot of Ifs and what ifs, if you get my griff.
Botton line is Floyd could out box the Pacman, but I cant’ see any scenario where Pacman can out box Floyd, that in itself takes away a decision for the Pacman.
Now, can Pacman win by KO? He could, he is a puncher, and the norm says that a puncher can ‘sometimes’ beat a great technical boxer by KO. It would be an amazing feat for Pacman to KO, a man who have never been officially knock down. It’s not as easy at it seems. Floyd have seldom been hurt in fights let alone stopped or TKO or KO for that matter.
It says here Floyd should win by decision.
Make no mistake Floyd has the faster hands in the wild west. He’s a Doc Holliday.
The person who can beat Floyd is a fighter who has great stamina,can take a punch, is stronger than Floyd, and dosn’t fade in the late rounds. Castillo showed the blue print by beating Floyd, but was robbed by the judges. Delahoya was beating Mayweather but Floyd Knew and his corner knew Oscar at best was an 8 round fighter that is why Floyd’s corner kept telling him to relax he’s gonna get tired. Hatton had no stamina in that fight was tired after 7 rounds from his own aggresion. Hatton basically knock himself out by doubling the impact as he continued to lunge in rather than slip or bob and weave. I do think if Hatton had been taught how to slip punches as an amatuer similar to Mike Tyson he would have beat Floyd. Pacquia has all the tools to beat Floyd as I stated in my introduction. Pacquiao relentless pressure without getting winded will be Mayweather un doing and Maywaether is aware of this. This is why they came up with this ridiculous plan of steroid testing to opt out of the bout and save the Zero which I know is untrue because of the Castillo robbery and the Judah fiasco in which Floyd should have been disqualifed when roger entered the ring
time 11.50 am january 6 2010 floyd mayweather is a grans rapids michigan street punk bad mouths the fighters he fighting
First thing I want to point out is Mayweather does not care if he knocks you out or if you run through his punches. I don’t care who you are, If you keep getting hit your face will swell. It does not matter if you can shake off the impact. Your little sons and daughters can give you a black eye, bust your lips and give you cuts with a good shot. How much power do they have? Let’s be real. If you get hit in the face for 36 minutes with hard but takeable shots, will you look the same at the end? Floyd Mayweather has underrated power as many boxers have stated. He also pulls back because of the hand issues. This generation barely knows PBF the puncher. Watch his fights from the 90′s to see the knockout artist he was. When he moved up to welterweight, his power became less effective along with the bad hands.
time 9.45 january 6 2010 floyd mayweather boo
What edge did Pacman had against all these fighters you mentioned in the article above? He was faster than all of them. This enabled the Pacman to fire his shots with the confidence of knowing that his faster hands would get there first. He is not faster than Floyd, period. Floyd has the stamina to match Pacman or will be stronger toward the end of the fight as he fights more “economical”.
Berrera was slightly past his prime with too many wars against Morales, Kelly and others. Barrera after that fight became a boxer as he was never was the same after the beating Pac gave him.
Erik beat Pacman, and so did JMM in their 2nd fight. It’s another loss that should be on Pacman’s record.
The Prime Castillo at 135, had a better chin than Pacman has now, and was a more accurate puncher, with better balance. Very underrated fighter. He was Chavez main sparring partner for many years. The prime 135 version of Castillo who fought Floyd could have fought in any era.
pacman is an exciting fighter to watch…however hes not close to the skill level of floyd mayweather..i know most of you reading this want to see floyd get beat up to shut him up !! sorry folks it aint going to happen in this fight ..f.m. will make a statement in this fight .. yes the fight will happen !!
@H
“Why didn’t fight Berto for his title, or Bradley for his? Why go for Hatton after he got battered by Mayweather, an over the hill De La Hoya, and Cotto after he got battered in his 2 previous fights? Because they were very much beatable.”
Resume and money is the simple answer to that. The same reasons Mayweather fought them.
Good article, but you overestimate the significance of history in the fight to my mind. Alos, Mayweather had Gatti down in the 1st round of their fight. Good to see some decent analysis on this site for a change.
superb article my friend
An interesting article but clearly biased in the favour of Pacquio..
When you were discussing the Marquez v Pacquaio bout you failed to mention it was Marquez’s counter-punching which brought the majority of his success..Mayweather is a counter-punching mastermind..Furthermore, you’ve got to take into account the contrast in the way Mayweather dismantled Marquez and Pacquaio (who in my opinion won the first easily but lost the second) struggled to a split decision victory.
Though you do present an interesting argument i believe Floyd’s ringcraft, size and footspeed will see him to a decision or a late TKO.
If boxing has showed us anything its you can’t rely on history to predict fights. PBF and his fans never claim he is a KO artist. He outboxes his opponents by mastering the sweet science. I’m a pacman fan too and think he will be an all time great but I just think his style is made for PBF
I think you are looking at this potential fight with skewed eyes cos you think that Pacquiao will win. You point out that Mayweather struggled with Castillo but that was nearly 10 years ago- don’t think that will have ant relevance to what could happen today as he is a different fighter, at a different weight, potentially fighing a smaller opponent in Pacquiao. You also state that Pacquiao would hurt Mayweather to the body. Pacquiao is not a body puncher- he never has been. He’s a head hunter and has been throughout his career and i doubt he will be able to change that in 3 months. Mayweather’s knockdown against Hernandez was caused by a broken hand and not by a punch. He may not have knocked out De La Hoya but neither did Pacquiao and he was fighting him at a weight he had not made in in over 5 years- he quit on his stool. He schooled Judah in their fight, resulting in the low blow as Juadh got frustrated. When he fought Hatton, he fought an undefeated fighter, full of confidence and a known body puncher, but knocked him out in superb fashion. Then there is what he did to Marquez in his first fight in 2 years. Pacquiao could only dream of doing that to him. On top of that, the Gatti fight was an absolute masterclass in how to really demoralise a fighter, kinda like what Pacquiao did to Cotto but Mayweather never struggled to find Gatti at any poit in the fight. And you say that Mayweather is not a hard puncher. Since when do you need knock out power to actually knock someone out? All you need is speed and timing and Mayweather has that in abundance. If you truly watched boxing you would know that. He has also demonstrated he has a good chin, on those few occasions he’s had to take a punch, so I don’t a knock out happening with Mayweather’s defence.
You then state that Mayweather has not fought the best, but as Pacquiao has fought the same guys in 2 of his last 3 fights, neither has he, and he had the luxury of being an active fighter. By that I mean he had not taken any time off. And if you look at his last 3 opponents, not one of them you can say was full of confidence or had not taken any punishment in their previous 2 or 3 fights and that definitely includes Cotto. It has been a long time since Pacquiao fought a fighter at the peak of his confidence. Why didn’t fight Berto for his title, or Bradley for his? Why go for Hatton after he got battered by Mayweather, an over the hill De La Hoya, and Cotto after he got battered in his 2 previous fights? Because they were very much beatable. There are very few boxers who say they will fight anyone and actually do these days and Pacquiao is not one of them. Like Mayweather, it is careful selection.
Final and most important point. None of Pacquiaos’ previous opponents have even 40% of Mayweather’s talent. Mayweather is not going to stand in front of Pacquiao like most of his opponents tend to do. His foot movement and defence far beyond anything that Pacquiao has previously faced. Not only that but he has a better boxing brain than any of Pacquiao previous opponents and can think his way out of situations, like he did against Castillo. The only thing that is unorthodox about Pacquiao is that he is a southpaw. He has quick hands but not faster than Mayweather. He has quick feet but be able to use as effectively as Mayweather as Pacquiao is more linear in his fighting style. Mayweather has not struggled with the previous southpaws he has fought and I don’t see Pacquiao being that much different. Pacquiao has no real physical advantage over Mayweather and the only times has “struggled” is against fighters who have some form of physical advantage over him. And the thing most people tend to forget, including yourself is that Mayweather, like him or hate him, is a fighter who knows how to make the most of his physical advantages.
Pacquiao may be hot, but Mayweather never went off the boil. Sorry, but I don’t know how you see the fight going the way you do.
the 1st morales-pacquiao bout was also riddled by a controversy over gloves used. manny’s manager signed for the use of gloves which have had been called “pillows” by roach.
Shame on you Ryan Dunn.
If we all want the dream fight to happen, we all must stop right here right now. Not only that PBF’s PR team doing him damage. His think tank team will not be able to sleep after reading this article. The crazy part about this is that Floyd Sr. had seen your article way back when.
It’s beautiful. An article I can only muster while in my sleep. You have said everything I wanted to say.
All The Best
i’m just saying….you really seems to know too well about floyd. don’t you really know also that he has some problems with southpaws? look at the zab judah fight, the first seven rounds were very competitive. he even knocked floyd down(a flush kd)but still a knock down. even in his previous fights with southpaws. he always have a problems with southpaws!!
Boxing is a sport
sport is about sportsmanship
I love how mr.pacquiao conduct him self on the ring and off the ring
that is why im one of your biggest fans out there
win or lose i will still be your fan
i just wish i can say the same for the rest of us
mr.mayweather and his fans
good luck if this fight will happen
may the best wins
as for mr.mayweather
you will never e
dammit guys.. find a middle ground already.. [too hyped up for this fight]
@Alex
he may or may not get riled up.. we won’t know it until they fight.. so here’s to hoping the mediation works magic and the fight get’s signed then we can ‘debate’ the ‘skills’ of ‘my’ fighter against the ‘skills’ of ‘your’ fighter until fight night..
@jasonboourne
Floyd is one of the most mentally discipline fighters on the planet. No crowd could ever cause him to change his game plan if its succeeding. Only the man across the ring can do that.
@Sean
Yeah I saw the fight. Thanks for the accusation though. Watch it again. After round 7, and specifically in rounds 8, 9 and 10, Floyd puts up his patented “D” which is impenetrable. Judah (like most fighters against Floyd) starts looking for ANY way to get inside. Sure Floyd lunges at Judah, then he tucks it up while the counters come at him.
Don’t make statements you aren’t prepared to back up. If you’re talking about the moment right before the low blow, then yeah, Floyd was throwing punches. But if you look at the drop off in activity starting in round 8 you’ll see why Judah (behind on points) becomes more desperate. Look at round 12 as well, when Judah throws the patented Floyd-Oppoent Kitchen Sink at him.
…ryan
another thing to the disadvantage of floyd if the fight happens is that most of the fans would be critical of his back-pedaling ways.. everytime he back-pedals, the crowd would definitely boo him.. now if he get riled up by the crowd and stand up against pacman for a while, pacman would definitely try to capitalize the moment and display his newly acquired skill of ‘controlled aggression’.. he might hit floyd with a couple of critical shot that way..
in your article you say judah low blowed floyd because he was frustrated at his non confrontational style. Did you watch the fight. Even the commentators were talking about mayweather standing his ground and fighting a very offensive fight. He was putting serious leather on Judah, hence the low blow. I know you dont like Floyd but at least watch the fight before writing obviously ridiculous statements. jeez
@Ryan
I very much agree that Manny has what it takes to get to Floyd.
Which is why I want to see this damn fight so bad I can taste it(that don’t make no sense).
I can’t trust ODLH’s words about Floyd anymore, Alex, for obvious reasons.
But I will say this, you are absolutely correct about Floyd’s elusiveness. But if there is any fighter in the sport right now with the speed and precision to find spots against Mayweather, will you agree that it is Manny Pacquiao?
…ryan
@Alex.. if the fight happens, we will know who’s the fastest fighter between the two.. ODLH, Hatton & Cotto.. they all said the same thing about pacman.. ‘he’s too fast!’..
@Ryan
No one is able to pray on a fighters emotions like Floyd. It is the same thing everytime. His opponents believe he can’t hit. They believe they can pressure him until he cracks. And yet, mid-way through a fight they are baffled as to why they can’t get to him. I remember when Oscar said something like how you would have Floyd where you want him, but then when you go to unload on him he isn’t there anymore but your in the perfect spot for him. It’s deceptive. He is the best pure boxer in the world yet his opponents always underestimate him. It was funny listening to Hatton after the fight trying to explain what happened because even he couldn’t figure it out.
great article man ,but although i desperatley want manny to win im just having trouble seing manny getting into a decent ryhthm with floyd.Floyds best puches are a lead right hand and a leaping left hook which are the best to punches to hit a southpaw with.I hope im wrong but i think mayweathers got this on points….
if this fight happens.. i will predict that if floyd can take pacman’s punch when he gets tagged for the first three round then he can win by dancing and potshotting the whole night… BUT, if he falters even once in the face of pacman’s onslaughts, he would definitely go down.. we all know that pacman’s the best when it comes to finishing an opponent..
An honest Pacman Fan
Now I am rediculous. Why is that? Because my opinion differs from yours. You say that one clean punch from Manny will end this fight. And I say it won’t. Not because of Manny’s power. But because of Floyd’s elusiveness. Careful? You came off as intelligent at first. What happened?
The thing about Manny, also, is that he can knock you down from all different angles. He can get you coming in like he did against Hatton and Marquez a couple times. He can get you leaning away like he did against Morales and Barrera. He can surprise you with an off angle hook while you’re ducking too, so it’s really hard to know what to cover up.
I think Manny’s jab is severely underestimated as well. Just watch his fight with D. Diaz one more time. I know it ended up being a mismatch, but Manny’s jab was stingy and full of sting right up until the KO.
I will stop with the Manny laurels. You guys know where I stand. I think this is a good fight, and I take nothing away from Mayweather’s skills. He’s just a more conservative style, and I prefer punchers to boxers any day of the week.
…ryan
Very good write on these two and I do agree with you 100% on this one, Some people actually believe what the Mayweather’s say !
@Alex
I think your wish will come true. Manny, at SOME point in the first few rounds, is going to tag Floyd. Floyd will try to resist as long as he can, but sooner or later he’s going to end up fighting Manny’s fight.
The best weapon Floyd has right now is actually not his shoulders, his check-hook, his gloves-up defense, his footwork or his jab. His number one weapon in this fight is going to be Manny’s Emotions. If he can draw Manny in and avoid the onslaught long enough to counter punch, he might upset my prediction.
But I don’t know. I just… don’t… know!!!!
…ryan
@Ryan
I see where your coming from. But see it differently.
Floyd will play it safe the whole freakin’ fight. Like it or not. I see Floyd’s jab going overtime in this fight. Because when Manny does his in and outs Floyd will start timing him when he comes in. Using that to disrupt his combos just enough to start tagging him with those overhand lefts and rights. I see this fight going on like the Oscar fight. Manny throwing more but with Floyd landing cleaner shots. We all know how Manny fights and he sure won’t try to outbox Floyd so no surprises will come. 12 round dec. for Floyd.
But I pray Manny does get to him. Because I’ve been wanting to see Floyd fight more offensive like he did back when he was a superfeatherweight.
@Alex
Hahahaha…
The people you listed that took more than one punch to finish up are really tough guys (resistence to power) but I don’t know how tough Mayweather is because we all know he hasn’t been tested, but rest assured once he does get hit, it will hurt him so I wonder what will happen…. And there you go again with Mayweather having some sort of force field.. You might as well say Mayweather is Magneto with his Magnetic force field around him.. LOL…
You really are rediculous…..
Wow Ryan, it seems you are sparking a debate here. I see fifth graders running across a playground with their fathers in tow all of them yelling at the same time well: its nice to see someone standing their ground a bit.
Sure i enjoy reading some of the shorter remarks by posters but what really gets me are the longer responses where some sort of critical reasoning is incorporated. Nice one i think you have done your homework well.
I have watched quite a few clips of Manny sparring and i think anyone would be insane to think that this fight will be as simple as Floyd will run and potshot and thus win on points. Manny does like to flurry back when he gets hit but i do not by any means see Manny just bum rushing Floyd as some have said. Roach will have a few plans lets face it he isn’t where he is now because he is a crappy trainer. Without a doubt Roach would have learned a thing or two after DLH vs Floyd, and just between us i think Oscar did fine for most of the fight but his neglect of the JAB left him out in the rain in the end.
Floyd on the other hand might not have the hardest punches but he definitely has serious skill which compensates for the hard hitting problem. I must say although ( and it was very impressive on Manny’s behalf ) people say Manny didn’t get hurt by Cotto, he did. A bleeding eardrum in need of drainage and a hurt wrist if i heard correctly tell me Cotto wasn’t throwing waffles at Manny that night.
None the less Manny withstood it.
To those who think Floyd cannot hurt Manny, maybe you are right but there are many ways to scalp a warrior. Balance i think will be key, Floyd will look to upset Manny’s flurries with that dreaded check hook and if Floyd is clever he will use his Jab a bit more before he pot shots with the right. Manny doesn’t always look too hot against a solid jab eg. Morales.
So, nice article keep standing your ground ryan.
@Alex
That’s why this fight will be so good. It will be The Tactician vs. The Magician. You know which is which. There are questions that need answering, and the only way to know for sure is to find a way to get this fight together. Let’s hope Weinstein can pull it off.
…ryan
An honest Pacman Fan
OK. Somewhere along the lines you seem to have gotten Floyd confused with Hatton. If it only takes one shot then why didn’t he finish Cotto sooner? Why didn’t he finish a weight-drained Oscar sooner? And here is the icing on the cake. Why couldn’t finish off Marquez? Yes, Manny has one punch KO power. But if his opponent doesn’t come in with his arms down and uses no head movement(like Hatton) then that punch ko power doesn’t amount to anything. Floyd is the purest boxer on this planet who knows every trick in the book. Hitting him with a flush shot is about as easy as winning the lotto.
@Ryan
Thanks for the backing… Couldn’t have explained it any better..
@Alex
Look for Mayweather to play it safe the first six rounds while Manny outworks him. Even if Manny doesn’t land, he will still be scoring in the judge’s eyes. Look at the Taylor/Hopkins I fight if you want evidence of this sort of tactic.
Mayweather will then sense he might be behind on perception and shift his style to trade a bit more. This will start in round six or seven, and that is when the fight will fall into Manny’s hands.
Because every time Floyd plants his foot to trade with Manny, he’s going to get tattooed by Manny. Floyd’s head movement will be his own worst enemy. His feints won’t work, and Manny’s constant body work will keep his elbows at home base to make room for Manny’s straight left hand.
If he makes it out of the fight without getting knocked out, it will be because he managed to impress his hometown fans in Nevada with flashy “combat” in the later rounds. He’s still going to come up short, and a close decision will go to Manny.
There’s my pre-fight Nostradamus prediction, we’ll see who’s right and who’s wrong (hopefully).
…ryan
@ Alex
You really think that out of the 5 to 12 punch combinations that Pac would throw nothing would land clean.
You probably forgot that all Pac needs is one clean shot.
Don’t make him out as if He just can’t be hit. I won’t argue anymore because even after you’ve answered the questions you still think that Mayweather won’t drop if gets hit flash. Oh well….
An honest Pacman Fan
1st Answer – All those opponents were guys who try to come in and out power Manny. They didn’t try to use movement like Floyd will. Do you really think Floyd is going to stand in one place and take a 5 punch combo? He will use in and out movement just like Manny.
2nd Answer – Yes they landed a few shots every now and then. But nothing to hurt Floyd. And I think 2 clean shots is all they landed in the whole fight. Manny isn’t going to come close to beating Floyd if that is all he is able to get.
3rd Answer – that shot from Judah was more from being off balance then anything, where as if he hurt him he would have possibly been on his back.
WOW you guys are intense, Pacquiao this and Floyd that…. seriously man, its getting old. Win or lose these fighters will both be remembered, this fight is not going to happen anyway and we can thank the world of boxing for this. F’ng politicians who allow all this bullshit to go on.
Bwahahahahahah….
@Students of Im Just Saying
The fact that your teacher refers to Manny as PacRoid tells you all you need to know about him.
@Im Just Saying
Are your ankles sore from jumping on and off the Mayweather bandwagons? I hope you are in good shape for your next fight. The only one being socially engineered is you and your low-brow insulting cronies.
Here’s a dare for you, try to write three posts in a row where you don’t demean, insult, or disrespect a fellow poster. I’ll give you a point for each. And one bonus point for each post if it is directed at a Pacquiao fans. That’s a total of 6 points, man!
Think of what you can do with those six points. You could use them to add to Mayweather’s score to win a draw with Manny. You could trade them in for inverted seconds to subtract from the 10-count in round 10. You could use them as pounds to give to Mayweather after the weigh-in, so he has a weight advantage. You could even add them to your already impressive IQ.
The possibilities are endless!
…ryan
Gentlemen…..yes, including Floyd fans. This has been a great debate and I truly believe that everyone has a great point. So to all of us fans, lets pray that the fight of the century comes to fruition so that all of our questions be answered. All in all I agree with Ryan’s prediction but I am biased toward the Pacman. Happy New Year to all, and Ryan should you have anymore articles please forward them to me as well…if you can.
@ im just saying.
that’s what the Mayweather family wants you to believe and I’m not surprised that you actually fell for it. I am a boxing fan maybe not the tenure you claim but a fan nonetheless. I am a fan of boxing especially Manny because he puts on a show unlike Floyd who ducks worthy foes. Only you believe that it’s only about the money because Floyd tells you it is so.
@Alex
Can Mayweather hurt pacman when Cotto can’t?
Sure he can. Because its the punches you don’t see coming that inflict the most damage.
- By your answer don’t you realize that if there is one boxer who hits them where they can’t see it, it would be Pacquiao.. Have you heard what all of his opponents have said after the fight?
Can Manny hit Mayweather when a slow, fat, old Marquez can and a lesser skilled Hatton can?
Yes Manny can hit him. But can he hit him where it counts is the real question. Hitting Floyd on the shoulders and arms don’t count. And kidney shots and shots to the back of the head are against the rules.
-by that answer, watch the fights again and tell me seriously that both the mentioned fighters didn’t land clean shots at all, not even atleast 2?
And if pacquiao does land a punch, what do we think will happen to happen? Won’t know the answer to this until the fight happens. Only one time have I seen Floyd take a clear shot that snapped his head back. And that was against Chop Chop. He isn’t a power puncher so not a good shot to measure Floyd’s chin.
- ummmm he did get unofficially get knocked out by Judah.. LOL so yeah I’m glad you had fun.
And until the end he refuses to accept it.. You can’t say anything against Ryan now can you because he absolutely annihilated you?
Answer my 3 questions before you go… That might just change my mind… LOL
An honest Pacman Fan
Interesting questions? I think I will take a stab at em’!
Can Mayweather hurt pacman when Cotto can’t?
Sure he can. Because its the punches you don’t see coming that inflict the most damage.
Can Manny hit Mayweather when a slow, fat, old Marquez can and a lesser skilled Hatton can?
Yes Manny can hit him. But can he hit him where it counts is the real question. Hitting Floyd on the shoulders and arms don’t count. And kidney shots and shots to the back of the head are against the rules.
And if pacquiao does land a punch, what do we think will happen to happen? Won’t know the answer to this until the fight happens. Only one time have I seen Floyd take a clear shot that snapped his head back. And that was against Chop Chop. He isn’t a power puncher so not a good shot to measure Floyd’s chin.
Well that was entertaining for about 10 seconds. Anyone got anymore?
Pack4pac & Pacfan, they say there is somebody for everybody, isn’t it sweet you two met this way, when is the wedding? You guys are funny, I give it to you, neither of you know boxing, but you sticking with your man, regardless of how foolish you two sound. welcome to the sport of boxing, we welcome you. But seriously guys, learn the game. Right now what is happening is called ‘social engineering’ thats where certain things are purposely done, to create a pre-determined response from the general population. You, me and all of us will contribute $$ to both *Manny and Floyd. And thats what Arum/GBP/MWP wants. That is my last knowledge lesson for you guys for tonight, go back through my previous post and take good notes, you will amaze your friends the next time you talk to them and they might actually respect you.(not). Have a good day/night (depending on where in the world you are at), this was a good conversation. Nothing person, im just saying
@ vic
no disrespect..but do you watch boxing? Did you see how dominating Pacman was to these fighter compared to Floyd’s fights? DLH vs Floyd split decision..split. DLH vs. Pac they threw the towel and retirement. Hatton vs. Floyd 10th rd. Pac vs. Hatton 2nd Rd and retirement at 140 where Hatton never lost. Cotto should have stopped the fight well before the 12th.
An eerie silence has filled the building and we start to wonder… where have all the noisy Mayweathers gone?
@pack4pac and ryan
That’s why I said… He got served again..
And Pack nice comparison to the Hatton knock out.
@vic
Manny beat Morales and Barrera. He continued to win thereafter, and he beat both De La Hoya and Hatton much more convincingly than Mayweather. Do you really think that Mayweather broke their spirit so quickly? I think not.
@james
Regarding Manny’s weight. First of all you are assuming he is on steroids. Second of all you must not have looked at my graph of Manny’s weights since 2005:
http://www.liftingfaces.com/uploads/mannys_weight.jpg
Get back to me when you figure out that Manny has weighed in on fight night closer to 150 since his third fight with Morales.
…ryan
@ Ryan Dunn
wow, I couldn’t have said it better myself. It was like watching the left from Pac to Hatton’s chin.
@pack4pac
See how the very loud ones hasn’t answered the questions…..
It’s a hard pill to swallow… Truth that is! LOL
And he got served………………….. AGAIN!
@ just saying
Lewd and absurd…do you know what they mean or are you looking within yourself. I would like to raise a Guinnes with you on March 14th but first I can foresee you spilling a cup or two on the ground for your fallen hero. lol
@im just saying
You sound like a studied boxing fan, with all that technical talk you put out there. You know, stuff that’s way over my head like:
“Williams punches alot and gets hit too much.”
or when you say something profound such as:
“I am very knowledgeable of what I speak on.”
(Oh Really? I couldn’t tell, I mean, you don’t mention it in every third post, when you’re not busy dissing fellow posters whom you don’t know).
or when you inform us lowly servants who did not know that Floyd was the “1st American fighter to beat a Cuban fighter in 20 years.”
(Wow, that’s a marvelous fact you pulled there, thanks for sharing.)
You don’t know anything about me, so what are you doing preaching about how much you know? You act like I wasn’t watching ESPN when Leonard announced he would come out of retirement to fight Hagler.
You assume that because I’m not 75 years old that I didn’t watch Ingemar Johnson knock Floyd Patterson out, only to get knocked out himself in the rematch.
You think that because this is the first article I’ve authored on here that I wasn’t old enough to watch Tyson destroy Berbick in two rounds to win the belt and go on to take boxing by storm in a way unheard of since the reign of Ali.
Or that I wasn’t watching Rachman knocking out Lewis in a torrential upset, even though the rest of my friends weren’t even back from getting food for the fight by the time it was over.
Yeah, you got me figured out. I bow to your technical prowess and historian’s antics. Keep on teaching, so we can remain your humble students.
…ryan
Im still trying to figure what is so amazing???? Pac beats de la hoya( already beaten by Money) then beats Hatton ( already beaten by Money) then he is like the gift to mankind….Then he beats Cotto (already beaten by Clotty) and now hes the best in the word huh????? only way im gonna give him some GREAT props is if he beats Money after taking the avoided random blood test, but as we all know, either he wont take the test or he definitely is not going to be Money…
@pack4pac
How much do you want to bet that the floyd fans who has been so loud won’t be making any answers? LOL
@ pacman fan
well said. I know the answers to that…but I do not want to upset the Floyd fans. lol
@pack4pac, inappropriate talking, penalty in the ice, send him to the penalty box, no post for 2 minutes for making lewd and absurd comments about things he is not knowledgeable about. (or he like Ray Charles and just can’t see).
@ james
Son it’s bedtime…go to sleep. Let the grown ups talk. Be a good boy now…Where the hell are you coming up with these?
I choose to ignore people who can’t see in themselves that they have been served. So for a final piece of my argument. 3 questions?
Can Mayweather hurt pacman when Cotto can’t?
Can Manny hit Mayweather when a slow, fat, old Marquez can and a lesser skilled Hatton can?
And if pacquiao does land a punch, what do we think will happen to happen.
The problem with Mayweather fans, is that they actually think that Mayweather has some force field around him that he just can’t be touched. Reassess yourselves and answer the questions above. As much as Mayweather can beat Pacman, Pacman definitely has more chance of beating Mayweather than his fans give Pacquiao.
To everyone thank you and let’s all pray for the fight.
@ Leroy
what did you base your “unbiased” analysis on to come with a conclusion that Floyd is the better fighter? Speed Manny checked, Strength Manny checked, Stamina Manny checked, Ring Generalship Manny checked, past opponents Manny checked but not Floyd. So what was it?
Dunn, my friend, it’s funny that you mention a 5th grader, I have one. they actually have a show “are you smarter than a 5th grader”, and sometimes some of the homework assignments he bring home I be like whoa. But anyway.. if you take the time to write the few facts down that I have expressed, you will see that your counter has been merely weak responses that warrant no serious response, I’m pretty sure everyone here that truly knows boxing can clearly see you are a casual fan, not one who truly knows the sport, so dude really, why waste my time on you? Alex, yes you are correct again, Shane has taken some punches, he is definetly a warrior. Williams punches alot and gets hit too much, but once he learn how to put his defense together with his offense, he is going to be beyond a mans worst nightmare. Shane still has it in him to beat Floyd, but history shows and teaches that fighters who like to mix it up and press, Floyd quickly adapts and uses their strength against them to his advantage, and that would be the reason why Floyd would eventually get the better of Shane. For those who don’t know, Floyd will give you his shoulders to hit on all night, but if you ever been in a fight you would know that the last place you want to be hitting a man is on the shoulders, that will make your hands go to crap very fast, it hurts beyond belief. Now i’m waiting to see if Berto can make it past Shane, Berto is another one of those fighters out there not too many people want to mix it up with. Hey Dunn and Pacfan, lets talk Tennis or cooking, I really don’t know too much about it at all, i’ll give you a chance to catch up and beat me at something.
Ryan Dunn? Another Pacman nut hugger……
To All:
Just an update, nothing has come out of the mediation. They will continue again for another day.
Thanks.
If you do a careful and unbiased analysis of the two fighters, you should discover that Mayweather is the better fighter. While I shall not go into the details at this time, I am prepared to say that Floyd’s toughness and power are grossly underrated. Floyd is a very tough guy, who possesses extraordinary boxing skills. Manny is an equally tough guy, who also has very good boxing skills. However, Floyd has a significant advantage over Manny, in terms of ring intelligence and the ability to make adjustments spontaneously, without any urging from his corner. While Manny is primarily physical, Floyd is more analytical. Manny has an excellent asset in his trainer, Freddie Roach, who will prepare him very well, but Roach, as good as he is, cannot train him for all the adjustments that Floyd is capable of making in the ring. Let us not forget that Roger, Floyd’s trainer, can be very effective. He knows his nephew very well, and is able to communicate with Floyd simply and effectively.
I think that Floyd’s technical advantage over Manny, will lead to a victory for him on March 13, 2010.
@lex_fugitive
and besides, you’re criticizing me for pointing you to a forum by an unknown person but you actually believe accusations from a known criminal (Mayweather sr.)
@lex_fugitive
The forum you are talking about also had links on how things were explained. So you look it up, I don’t have to keep spoon feeding you just because you choose to hear one side and not the other.
I have a theory… “I’m Just Saying” = Roger Mayweather.
That would explain the age and arrogance. Seriously, try to have an adult conversation here. For someone who claims to be 30+ years older, it sure does look like we’re watching a 5th grader trying to come up with his most clever comebacks.
Stick to boxing analysis, and stop it with the low blows and irrelevant commentary.
And for every fact somebody posts supporting Floyd Mayweather, I challenge them to come up with a supporting or opposing fact for Pacquiao. And vice versa.
…ryan
@im just saying
I use to consider Shane an actual threat to Floyd but his defense just isn’t what it use to be. Anyone that is easy to hit will be taken apart by Floyd.
Which of course is another reason I can’t believe Manny will win. Because he loves to mix it up and throw defense out the door. And that just plays into Floyds hands.
Hatton was considered the best pressure fighter in the game when Floyd fought him. And look how that turned out.
An honest pacman fan;
You provided a link to a Pacquaio fan club site with an article by an unknown author. Really, this is the best you can do? If what that article says is true provide a reliable link. And explain why Arum, Roach, and Manny aren’t even using that excuse. They have used 4 (which have all been proven to be blatant lies) but not that one. I question the accuracy of this from an anynomous author on a Pacquaio fan club site.
Pulls out and throws the red penalty flag at an honest pacfan. Infraction: speaking on subjects he has no clue about. 15 yard penalty. 1st and goal, Me.
@Alex
Fair enough. But Paul Williams seems to have historically low punch-to-connect percentages, he throws a lot but doesn’t connect that much. He has a suspect chin from what I saw against Martinez the other day too (check round one, end of the round: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzW6n3vD1Po ). He’s a big, lanky target to hit, I think Floyd would take aim and go to town.
Just my opinion.
…ryan
AHHHHHHHHHHH!
NO NO NO NO…..this article is not good for the fight.
Please don’t print articles like this.
It is scaring Floyd Mayweather…he will further go inside his shoulder roll and curl his tail in between his legs.
If you want the fight to proceed, write article that glorifies Floyd…copy the comments from his fans.
Let us all give Floyd a breathing room “wiggle room as the team maywetter calls it”…Floyd is really scared of this article…if he reads it…can he read though?
I’m beginning to doubt that, he can’t even pronounce “ASK”….he says it like “AXE”.
@im just saying
there you go again saying Pac has no chance in beating Floyd. Well there is obviously no convincing you. You get annoyed when an article is biased against Floyd but you are a big hypocrite for being so bias against pac.
This is my last post in reply to you, have a good day!
@alex, you my friend are correct. Paul Williams is by way of Augusta Ga. is the most feared man in the game right now. He is a beast and a nightmare for Floyd, Pac, Shane. Tall, abnormal wing span, keeps on punching, hits hard as crap. The only two fighters I honestly can see right now out there worth fighting that has a serious chance of beating Floyd is Shane or Williams.
@imjustsaying
Nobody commented because we knew who you were talking about.
Maybe that’s why you always get debunked because you keep thinking that on the matter that we are discussing whish is Mayweather and Pacquiao, you think you know more than us. If you say boxing in general then I’d be the first to admit that you would know more than me. But just to stay on the topic of comparing Mayweather and Pacquiao, there is no way you can convince us that Mayweather has achieved more.
I don’t think it will be a TKO. I think Pacquiao will KO Mayweather in the middle rounds if not earlier. Manny has said in the past “it’s nothing personal” after beating the likes of DLH and Hatton. When he steps into the ring against Mayweather it will be very personal. Pacquiao has been sympathetic to his opponents in the past hoping for the referee to stop the fight so he can stop hurting his opponent. He was that way against DLH and Cotto. I don’t expect Pacquiao to show any mercy whatsoever for Mayweather. Pacquiao will be looking to give Mayweather a beating, a beating Pacquiao has never given any of his opponents before. You can run but you can’t hide Mayweather. You are going to have your first loss on March 13th. Your O will go by KO!
Mr. Sweetsci, Pacfan, Ryan Dunn…….Students, you are failing. I’m trying to get you to think, I’m trying to educate you, come on dude, Roger or Floyd fought Pernell? Come on young jedi, you are suppose to call the BS flag on my previous posting, think my pupil.
@ Ryan
If Manny beats Floyd I will sing his praises until the day he retires. But I don’t think he will. I have always said that the only boxer who can beat Floyd is himself. If there was a fighter that I would give a chance to win. I would say Paul Williams because of his punch output, height, and reach advantage. But I think he needs to stay in 154 or above. I am 6’2 220lbs. For me, any fighter that tall that hangs around the welterweight limit where the average fighter is 5’7-5’9, is a pansy. Not hating, that is just my philoshy.
@All I’m Saying
Using your age and experience watching boxing to discredit younger fans who may or may not know more than you sounds awfully like Floyd Mayweather shortly after Brian Kenney tries to explain that when you retire from the sport, you give up your P4P crown:
“I already forgot who I’m talking to. This is Brian Kenney, a guy who’s never laced up gloves a day in his life, who don’t know nothing about boxing.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwNt7wv_RN8
…ryan
facts…floyd mayweather sr., jr’s father. a convicted drug dealer.
@imjustsaying..
LOL.. as I said you maybe I die hard boxing fan and must have watched boxing longer than I have… But that don’t mean I don’t know about Mayweather. As I said I’m not disrespecting him.. He maybe the best practitioner of the sweet science but don’t go belittling Pacquiao just because he don’t fight the style you like. If you think Pacquiao is a hype job then by God, those HOF that he’s fought must all be hype jobs as well. It’s rediculous, just give Packy his credit and you won’t hear anything from me.
Another pair fact:
Mayweather beats Genaro Hernandez for his first WBC title (Super Flyweight), at age 21. The corner threw in the towel in round 8.
Pacquiao beats Chatchai Sasakul for his first WBC title (Flyweight), at age 19. It was a knockout in round 8.
Both of these fighters have more in common than you might think. We are well aware that they both fought as low as 106 lbs. Mayweather has moved up considerably from that point, more even than Manny. But both of these guys are animals, fine specimens of the sport.
I want this fight to happen, because I think it will answer a lot of questions fight fans have had.
…ryan
You guys are too funny, I understand, I remember 32 years ago when I was just like you, a casual boxing fan, who didnt know what the hell I was talking about, I just liked to look at and watch the most hyped fighter at the time. This too shall pass, just tell yourself that lol. I’m glad this fight is occurring, it has attracted new boxing fans, yes some of you casual fans will grow and eventually become serious fight fans, and learn and study the sweet science of boxing. But last but not least, study, read, and you will also discover that Floyd beat that guy by the name of ahhh, hmmm, ahhh what was his name, ahhh, yeah Pernell Sweet Pea Whitaker, and when you begin to learn this science, you will be like dang Whitaker was the man, but you must crawl before you can walk, so take your time. I got a nice cold Guinness waiting for me, so excuse me as I step away for a while.
@Jason
I applaud you for coming up with that. Thank you thank you.
@im just saying
Mate, just take it like a man.. All your knowledge about boxing aint going to help Mayweather’s case!
@ just saying
beat a cuban fighter in 20 years…so?
7 titles in 7 divisions….EEEEVVVER. not 10, 20, 30, or 40…EVER. only one…look it up.
@im just saying
BOO YAA!!!!!
Jason Alcairo just CHECKMate you… LOL although I already did before but that’s right!!!!!!!
BOO YAA!!!!
Thanks Jason!
@pack4pac
Amen.
I’m not disrespecting Mayweather as well. So thanks for helping me defend Pacquiao from people who are so blinded by Mayweather.
@Im just saying:
Lame! Just cos his the first to defeat a Cuban boxer doesn’t make him all too special. I’m not going to argue, you probably know more about boxing than me but I certainly know for a fact that whatever achievement you are going to put in front for Mayweather’s case I can easily debunk with Pacquiao’s achievements. No mate, it’s not checkmate yet because you have beaten my arguments, while you keep coming short with the points you’re trying to get across because I keep debunking you… There for I declare CHECKMATE on you!
to honest pacman fan.
I truly respect Floyd’s talent and how good he really is. But everyone with eyes and true fan of boxing must question his heart and the opponent he chooses to fight. Manny is bringing boxing back to the limelight because he’s courageous and actually want the fans to be entertained.
@Floyd Fans
Show me one moment where Floyd shocked the world in the way Pacquiao did when he emerged to beat Barrera in 2003. I can’t think of any.
An educated boxing fan will recognize that BOTH of these fighters are exceptional. So if you come on this thread saying one sucks or the other one is terrible, you are showing your feathers.
I am pro-Manny in this fight, but if Floyd wins, I promise you (@Alex) that he will get all the credit he earned. Just make sure you return the favor if Manny comes out the victor. And give me props (and anyone else) if he is KO’d in the 10th round.
…ryan
@an honest pacman fan, I’ve already declared CHECKMATE on you, you are not knowledgeable about this topic to keep up, so sit on the sideline and continue to observe.
– History Fact: when Floyd defeated Lorenzo Aragon back in 1996, that made him the 1st American fighter to beat a Cuban fighter in 20 years.
What’s funny is that Floyd runs and Pacman runs after him and no punches lands because Pacman is chasing the ghetto boy that stole a lot of fights. HAHAHA! It’s a policeman chasing a ghetto boy that stole a pair of boxing gloves. HAHAHA! GO FIGURE! How fast can Floyd run? I DO NOT SEE THIS AS A GREAT DEFENSE. How in the hell can you call running defense? Damn, all the fighters would be running inside the ring and just wait who gets tired first. HAHAHA!
@pack4pac
I was going to say the same thing but I thought I’d humor him with just 2. LOL
@im just saying
Well said..how long did it take you to look that up? Just remember all those accolades although great are fought with amateurs, I say again….amateurs. Pac was fighting pros…again pros at age 16.
OK Floyd fans. Put your money where your mouth is! Floyd fans better start practicing why your ghetto fighter lost comes March 13th post fight! HAHAHA! I will be laughing all the way in front of all the Floyd fans. I’m gonna rub it in their faces. HAHAHA! I can’t wait to see Pacman unlease his anger on this dude!
@im just saying
Just 2 answers:
* 7 wieght division title (the only boxer)
* Lastly Time Magazine Page Cover LOL
So keep going and I’ll just keep saying the above 2 things. LOL
@Nekronicle
I believe the point Ryan is trying to make is that Floyd never faced an opponent that can punch like Manny. and they (the ref) should have stopped that fight (Cotto-Pacquiao) way before the 12th.
@ all you PAC fans….. Lets have an honest discussion about history, not HIS-STORY, but real history. Pull up a chair, I’ll wait………… History speaks for itself. Facts, not my story, not your story, not his-story, but FACTS ok. From here on out no more I think, I believe, I hope, I wish ok, FACTS: 1996 Olympic Bronze Medalist, 1996 National Golden Gloves Champion, 1996 Michigan State Golden Gloves Champion, 1995 U.S. National Champion,
1995 National PAL Champion, Outstanding Boxer award
1994 National Golden Gloves Champion,; Outstanding Boxer Award, 1994 Michigan State Golden Gloves champion, 1993 National Golden Gloves Champion, 1993 Michigan State Golden Gloves Champion, Nephew of Roger Mayweather 2 time world champ. COME WITH IT, FACTS ONLY, PUT YOUR NUMBERS AGAINST MY NUMBERS, LETS STOP ALL THE SMALL TALK. Men lie, Women lie, Numbers don’t lie! And I haven’t even got started yet!
Intersting article. Though I didn’t bother finishing. Too long and too biased. But I can’t wait to see what kind of articles you write when the fight is done and Floyd is declared the winner. I know you will do everything in your power to diminish the accomplishment. But try to save face and give respect where it is due.
@Im just saying
Are you sure all those guys you mentioned are HOF? LOL
And you’re actually counting fighters the Mayweather hasn’t fough?
OMG… You are a serious joke…
If Cotto who fights with his head sticking out like a punching bag can make it to round 11, then why in the world wouldn’t the best defensive boxer in the world make it the distance. That’s what I don’t understand.
@im just saying
The phrase “Styles Make Fights,” explains why JMM and Manny had close fights and Mayweather beat him.
Can you analyze and tell me why Forrest beat Mosley, then Mayorga beat Forrest, then De La Hoya beat Mayorga, then Mosley beat De La Hoya?
Can you tell me why Jermane Taylor beat Hopkins twice, then Pavlik beat Taylor, then Hopkins beat Pavlik?
The answer is simple…
Styles Make Fights.
My opinion is that Manny’s style of unorthodox offense, a strong chin, and fast hands and good footwork will outweigh Floyd’s style of solid defense, duck-and-move with soft hands, and equal accuracy and hand speed.
What’s your opinion?
…ryan
@Oneforall
I told you up front who I thought would win in this article. When I say to look at history, I am talking about not being short-term about why you choose fighter A over fighter B. Give some reasons, look at the facts, study the types of match-ups which presented problems for both fighters in the past. Conversely, look for match-ups which turned out to be easy for them in the past.
I am not a Mayweather hater, but I think he is overhyped and has not faced “the best” consistently enough to garner Hall of Fame talk. Simple as that. Manny’s record, who he’s fought, and in what fashion he has won (and even lost) show me that he is a true champion.
@I’m Just Saying
Your logic of someone being undefeated being the reason that fighter will win is problematic. Does that mean Hatton had an equal shot at beating Mayweather when he came in with his undefeated record? Does that mean Solis should have beaten Manny when they fought and Solis was undefeated?
Or maybe, just maybe, an undefeated record is only as convincing as the quality of opposition beaten on that record. Mayweather did not fight Cotto a couple years ago before Cotto fought Margarito, so we’ll never know who would have one. Mayweather never fought Mosley, he waited until De La Hoya was on his decline to fight him. He waits for a challenger to come to him under the guise that he’s the king and doesn’t have to look for a fight. That just means he’ll wait and choose who he wants, instead of going after who he thinks is best. He’s avoided Margarito this way, Paul Williams too.
That is a fact.
@Hernandez Outers…
You are right, and I stand corrected. That was the fight where Mayweather broke his hand and brushed it against the canvas, thus creating the standing 8-count. I apologize.
You can’t deny the other facts however, who he fought, who he beat, and how he beat them. Comparative analysis tells me Floyd is about safety (defense) first, and knockout (offense) later. I don’t discredit that whatsoever. He’s a great fighter, but based on the match-up, the styles, I think the more active fighter wins. Both have amazing hand speed and accuracy. Mayweather can’t duck and weave the whole fight.
I can see the shot now, Manny faints with the left, Floyd does an exaggerated weave to avoid the punch, right at the same time Manny transposes his stance and drops a right cross across Floyd’s chin perfectly timed. I’m telling you, the style match-up favors Manny.
@Floyd fans
I only found a few commenters who supported Floyd that did NOT reply with venom and hatred, not only directed at me personally, but to all of those who do NOT support Floyd in the fight. I don’t understand this. Just be mature about it, as I tried to be in my article.
And for those who choose to use diversionary tactics to avoid some of my facts, what have you to say about Floyd’s decision to fight Sharmba Mitchell over Tszyu or Hatton at that moment? I want to know if you truly believe Mayweather consistently looks for the best opponent and fights them, or if he uses circumstance (a fighter not at their pique, a stand-in opponent with a belt somewhere) to plan his career in a way to avoid big risks.
@An Honest Pacman Fan, Jose Luis Castillo, Diego Corrales, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya, Arturo Gatti, About to be Manny PacRoid. Sugar Roid Shane turned two two previous fight offers from Floyd back in the day. We really could go back and forth like this all day. But I’m declaring, Checkmate! you playing checkers, I will always be 3 moves ahead of you my friend.
If anybody realy beleave in PAC. If this fight do happen, I’ll be staying in the MGM Grand like always four days befor the fight, no bets the day of the fight, 10k min. if you serious you will know how to find me it’s not hard.
To the author: You’re in for a sad reality check on March 13.
@imjustsaying
So you mean it’s ok for you to turn a blind eye about the draw even though one judgeg admitted to scoring it wrongly? Come on mate you got to be kidding me.
You haven’t even answered my previous question:
Name other HOF that Mayweather fought and then compare to Pacman excluding DLH?
I’m not turning a blind eye on the Marquez fight because as you can probably notice by now I have not been descrediting Mayweather. I’ve only been debunking your arguments. I acutally have repeatedly watched the 2nd Marquez fight just so I can see if I can actually give it to Marquez. But hey maybe you should watch it again and take into account the knock out. I don’t know, maybe you’ll still get Marquez winning but the number of times I watched it even by giving Marquez the benefit of the doubt each round that was too close to call, Manny was still up.
Just don’t start belittling Manny and I won’t be returning serve to you.
What on earth makes any of you think that Mayweather will be knocked out? Has he ever been anywhere close to being knocked out previously? No he hasn’t.
I see the fight being played out very similarly to Mayweather vs Hatton. Perhaps more competitive but similar nonetheless. I cant stand Mayweather, I think Manny is a great guy but I’m a realist. Mayweather is a defensive genius and just too bloody accurate with his counter punching. Manny will end up very frustrated in my opinion.
That said. I truly cannot wait for this fight to happen.
@An Honest Pacman Fan, How ya doing mate, you see, unlike most don’t let the smooth taste fool ya. I am very knowledgeable of what I speak on. You see mate I put that out there because I knew someone like you would defend *Manny victories over Marquez, no matter how controversial they were. Men lie, Women lie, numbers don’t lie, as a Pac fan all you care about at the end of the night if it says Win or Loss. So those controversial wins you proudly accept, embrace and defend. So how in the hell can you defend attempting to knock Floyd perfect record. Don’t throw rocks in a glass house mate.
Floyd vs. Marquez….let’s see. Floyd had options to fight names like, Mosley, Williams, or even Cotto. Instead he chose a guy that had to go up 2 divisions, Floyd couldn’t make the July deadline, then come in 2 lbs. heavier than the already smaller guy. It’s not cheating per se but……
@Mar
Ask yourself why he had to pay 600k
@Im just saying..
Mate you are making me laugh..
Including DLH how many Hall of Famers has Mayweather fought?
How bout Pacquiao?
That’s right read up…
And Marquez.. Effin hell men, have you even heard of the judge who admitted that he made a mistake in scoring the first fight? That’s right, Marquez would have lost that 2. And although I admit the 2nd one could have gone either way, I have watched the fight so many times and I even try and give the round to Marquez if the round is even and Manny was still ahead by 2 points on my card. So I’m sorry I’m not going quite when you mention Marquez because whatever you do or say Manny won. If you want.. go buy or build a time machine and knock the judges when the fight happened… LOL
@Boxing Genius
I am simply a better genius than you. Try to get your facts right and not spewing hatred and stupidity. I checked your posting and you don’t seem educated. So try to learn something in life or keep your mouth shut maybe that way people will assume that you have something intelligent to say.
Already have Ryan dunn so suck my tits. WINK WINK you sucka!!
@im just saying……… I agree with you 100%!!!!
@anhonestpacfan, how did mayweather cheat in his marquez fight? can anybody say how he cheated cause didnt know he apparently did lol
I cant wait till fight night cause im willing to take some bets…Mayweather by UD…..Like I told my homeboy, the only way i see Pacman beating Money is by KO (which aint gonna happen) there is no way he will beat Money on scorecards cause Money always fights to win on points.
Oh so now Floyd has fought nobodys lol. So that would mean Hatton and DLH, who all you guys are going crazy about because *Manny beat them are nobodys. Well if they were nobody’s when Floyd beat them, that would have made them completely washed up when *Manny fought them. Come on buddy, give me a break. And lets not mention MARQUEZ. Speaking of Marquez, Floyd destroyed him in a bad way, literally beat the piss out of him. PAC FANS, please explain to me How and Why did Marquez beat PAC? (you know as well as i do, Marquez took Pac to hell and back) PAC Fans are always quiet when that guy name is mentioned. Imma say it again, MARQUEZ. I know you didn’t like that, so imma do it again, MARQUEZ.
@ oneforall…what!? are you a fkn scientist?! dont waste precious space with your babble
guys lets be honsit here…i love manny but logically floyd should win easily 99/100…just look at manny vs jmm…jmm a good counter puncher gave manny all that he could handle….but floyd ( a counter puncher), is faster,( hands and feet), better defence, hits harder, slick, smarter, and lets not forget he’s bigger ( longer reach)….floyd is the perfect boxer…can fight on the inside, fight backwards, south paw, great reflexes, good power, great defence, can adjust in a fight, can slug if he has 2 (n’dou, agustus)…..
That was speculation that Money wanted to fight at 154..Why would he want to do that if he would get the belt at 147????
i’m just saying….that’s true that numbers don’t lie. but it can be misleading. look at the record of edwin valero. he’s got a perfect record. wins=ko. but do you think valero in better that floyd? not even close…right?
Just a couple of inaccurate points you made, in my opinion. (Im not trying to make excuses up for Mayweather, ill try and base my opinion on facts.)
You kind of make a big deal out of the number of knockouts each boxer has had over previous bouts. But styles make fights, one boxer doesn’t have an advantage over the other because they have a better knockout ratio. At most it suggests said boxer may carry more knockout power, or is a better finisher when they get there opponent in trouble.
You mention how Mayweather fails to knockout opponents, point to how Corley had him wobbled. Yet fail to mention how Mayweather knocked him down twice on route to the victory…? Pacquiao has been wobbled numerous times in his career, why did you not mention this? (also knocked out twice, although he was very young and possibly weight drained)
N’dou was not a ‘filler’ opponent. Going into that bout he had a record of 31-1 with 30 ko’s, he was seen as a very dangerous opponent at the time.
Both Mayweather and Tszyu showed an interest in the bout. But even Tszyu said the bout would be hard to make because Mayweather was HBO and he was Showtime (stating ‘Boxing politics’ as the main issue) – this was before the Hatton bout. Tszyu never fought again and as far as I am aware, never showed an interest in fighting again after Hatton. Mayweather fought Mitchell at 147lbs, Tszyu never once fought as high as 147lbs. (Once again, as far as I am aware)
‘Judah was simply frustrated with the non-confrontational fighting style of Mayweather.’ – Have you even seen this bout, or are you basing this statement on other peoples views? Judah was beating Mayweather in the early rounds, and yes I thought Judah should have been awarded a knockdown. But Mayweather was the aggressor throughout the majority of the bout, maybe too aggressive at times. Judah was counterpunching or on the back foot for most of the bout.
‘Mayweather couldn’t knock out Castillo.’ There first bout was at 135lbs, this was the first time Mayweather had fought at this weight class – Was he expected to knockout Castillo at the time, No. Same goes for there following bout, only Mayweather’s second bout at 135lbs.
‘Mayweather couldn’t knockout De La Hoya.’ Mayweather’s first and only bout up at 154lbs, was he expected to knockout De la Hoya, NO. Pacquio beat De la Hoya via TKO, but was he expected to knock him out, NO.
If you are looking at the previous bouts of a boxer, you have to take into consideration, when these bouts happened and what people expected at the time.
I know this reply has been very long, but I feel this balances things out with this biased article.
@Im Just Saying
I said it before down below on one of my comments to HD:
Stop twisting the events.
1. Mayweather asked to fight at 154 so they are automatically sanctioned to use 10 oz. gloves. – ask your boy idol Mayweather why the fight should be at 154 when both their last fights were at welter weight. And because the fight ended up being in welter, then they are sanctioned to use 8 oz. gloves and Manny didn’t ask for this.
2. Manny did not ask for any different ring size. Mayweather probably tried to ask for a bigger run so he’s got more room to run. The Pacquiao team just asked for the standard ring to use. What’s wrong with that?
3. Ofcourse ask him to pay 10m per pound because he cheated the last time with Marquez. Does Pacquaio have any history of cheating? That’s why it’s unreasonable for Mayweather to ask this.
@ dollamite1212 …I think your the F8ggot!!!!hahahahaha!!
People keep talking about Mayweather not being a strong puncher, but if you look at Manny’s first 40 fights (since Money only has 40 under his belt) you will see that he had 29 knockouts in 40 fights and Money has 25 in 40 fights…..Whats the big difference????? This tactical fight that the writer is talking about is not even close to what is going to happen!!! SEE people dont want to look at thing like that though. Pacman will see that Money hits harder than people proclaim..Roach thinks that he is slick thats why he wants Money to wear 8oz gloves, because he knows that Mayweather has hands that can get hurt kinda easily, but he’s gonna be in for a surprise come 3/13/10
I’m glad to see that Pac fans can actually read and write with proper grammar. Unlike the Floyd fans who make no sense and seem uneducated, I guess that’s what the Floyd camp likes..dumbass zombies beleiving all their hype. Anybody can be 40-0 if you fight “nobodies”.
To honest pacman fan,
I totally agree with you mate, alot of floyd’s fans are using those BS to make floyd look great, all pac’s demands are reasonable though.
@Ryan Dunn (errata)
First of all I want to ask you one thing: In what planet do you spend most of your time?
this is probs goin 2 be one of the greatest fights like freddy roach says, cant wait for it haha
Pacman will take him down mid to late rounds. Mayweather knows he can’t compete with Pacman, and is stalling.
If Mayweather does grow a pair and man up, the best he can hope for is to make it to round 10 or 11. Personally, I hope he gets cocky like Roy Jones did against Danny Green … because if he starts showboating, he will go down early.
@Ryan Dunn
First of all I want to ask you one thing: I what planet do spend most of your time? It seems to me that when you rested your case you said something really dumb: “I think it’s worth looking at history rather than speculation when deciding what might happen in the ring.” But that’s the point – it’s all hypothetical i.e. speculation. We really don’t know what will happen. You cherry picked your chronology like most of bias writers have this selective amnesia of the facts. In USA we cherish competence and presentation of facts in a mature way. I read your article and I couldn’t find anything intelligent behind your hatred towards another fighter, I may understand your emotional state of mind created by all the anxiety of unknown. But all what we know is that the fight is not a done deal. If Manny Pacquiao does not do the tests according to Floyd’s demands, we’ll have it otherwise forget about it because Mayweather will not back down. Here is an excerpt of an expert in blood doping the key medical figure involved in the constant refinement and upgrading of drug testing in the Olympics, UCLA Professor Emeritus Dr. Donald Catlin and he said, contrary to an article he published back in 2003, that BOTH random checks of urine and blood are imperative to keep athletes, in this case boxers, honest. “This kind of testing must be done,” Dr. Catlin said, “so the public can be sure, relatively sure, that the boxers are clean. See reporter Jill Lieber Steeg’s superb March 4, 2007, USA Today profile of Dr. Catlin.“It may seem tough to some but we’ve got keep raising the bar, hoping they (cheaters and their helpers) make mistakes. We have to make life miserable for them and that is what random testing can do, what it is doing. We have to keep closing the window of time when they can cheat and get away with it.” I asked the distinguished physician and professor what type of illegal drugs might be most likely to tempt professional boxers. “Well, with Human Growth Hormone, the smaller guys might be less into that than the bigger fighters, the heavyweights. But we can’t be sure about any fighters using HGH, EPO and steroids without the blood and urine testing done at random times.” EPO is the drug that most people either accuse Pacman of using or whisper that he is using, the most likely drug enabling him to rise from a scrawny 106-pounder to the welterweight who has been knocking out foes weighing 160 pounds. Dr. Catlin makes no presuppositions about Pacquiao or any other athlete but he did talk about EPO. “That’s an endurance thing but nobody has done real studies on this in relation to boxing so there is no hard data on it. The way it is now you can’t be sure, in any given fight, that both fighters are not cheating.” Dr. Catlin sees the current Nevada State Athletic Commission drug testing protocol as inefficient and not up to date in terms of detection. But he’s not a critic of the Nevada boxing board, in fact, he would be willing to work with the NSAC to strengthen its testing protocol. “We’re getting better at this but did you know that, in the last 30 years, nobody has been caught using HGH because there is not a good enough test as of yet. You can stop using HGH for one day, just one day, and you can be clean in any test. They can use EPO one day and then it can be gone by noontime the next day. All the drugs are different, all have different windows (for detection). All we can do is to keep upping the ante, making the tests more random and stronger. “I think the present situation is bad for boxing in the public relations sense because I think fairness is so vitally important. But absolutely I would love to help Nevada, I would love to sit down and talk about what they’re testing for how and how they’re testing,” Dr. Caitlin said. “I am not saying we’ve got the Olympics all cleaned up, not by any means. But we are getting there.”Mayweather, Pacquiao and all the rest had better get used to getting that needle jab because it sounds like random blood and urine testing is the wave of the future in boxing just as it already is in the Olympic Games. As Dr. Catlin said, nothing is perfect. But boxing needs plenty of improvement.
Floyd posturing lol, Floyd should make a compromise lol. Dude have you been living under a rock or something. when you READ at the list of demands *Manny has made, tell me one, just one demand that *Manny has made that Floyd hasn’t agreed to. Go ahead I’ll wait…………….. Now, look at the list of demands that Mayweather has made, how much B!!!ching, kicking, crying and complaining *Manny camp has done. Give me a break. The truth is it’s a blood test to show the world you are clean as you claim, and if you make the claim to be so clean, taking a blood test would not be a problem at all. I believe *Manny is willing to take a test, but ARUM and the Roach don’t want him to because as they all have admitted, *Manny don’t know WTF they give him, he just takes and do what he is told. Arum and the Roach are the problems, they are the ones who don’t want him to be tested. GBP, MWP, Don King and everybody else in the business all have had major problems and disagreements with Arum, the dude is bad for boxing, and watch, as soon as Floyd defeats *Manny, Arum will be looking for the next best thing and the last hope to challange Floyd, and no, he will not be looking at *Manny because he would have collected and juiced (bad word) *Manny for all the big money he could get out of him. It’s time for *Manny to step up or step aside, grow a sack, take the test, and take the beat down of his life, retire, go into politics (where he will not be elected), continue to buy his buy ‘make up gifts’ as he keep his other woman on the side (cheat). Man up, boxing is a hurt business with constant blood shed, we asking for a teaspoon worth of blood, thats all.
People keep talking about Mayweather not being a strong puncher, but if you look at Manny’s first 40 fights (since Money only has 40 under his belt) you will see that he had 29 knockouts in 40 fights and Money has 25 in 40 fights…..Whats the big difference????? This tactical fight that the writher is talking about is not even close to what is going to happen!!!
Seriously i don’t know why floyd is doing all of this SH!TS. Hell he is a great boxer! Im a pacquiao fan and i believe that this is a very great match up, Floyd has the style that can beat manny, on the other hand manny has the style who can beat floyd, so let this happen and stop the BS!
Also, does anybody mind explaining this blood issue? I dont understand the big deal about when the blood gets tested. Unless someone is training with enhancements and needs the blood to be clean by a certain time frame…which is what I’ve seen some people do.
floyd will win, its kinda obv. look at there skills, idk why ppl say floyd doesnt have power he beat N’dou check out his knock outs and floyd took that guy slaaack, watch any one of mayweathers fights and you will see he has superior handspeed and defense compared to pacman, no disrespect pacman is great but it took him forever to get realised untill he started moving up.
@HD
Stop twisting the events.
1. Mayweather asked to fight at 154 so they are automatically sanctioned to use 10 oz. gloves. – ask your boy idol Mayweather why the fight should be at 154 when both their last fights were at welter weight. And because the fight ended up being in welter, then they are sanctioned to use 8 oz. gloves and Manny didn’t ask for this.
2. Manny did not ask for any different ring size. Mayweather probably tried to ask for a bigger run so he’s got more room to run. The Pacquiao team just asked for the standard ring to use. What’s wrong with that?
3. Ofcourse ask him to pay 10m per pound because he cheated the last time with Marquez. Does Pacquaio have any history of cheating? That’s why it’s unreasonable for Mayweather to ask this.
Your article is well written, your facts and analysis cannot be denied…
Still, I think it is so much easier for a fighter to run and pot shot and make a boring fight out of this potential match than engage…unless the scoring system actually penalize for non aggression, don’t think it be that much different from the pbf/marquez fight
If manny should win, and win in a devastating fashion, I would go so far as to fck his dog and post it on youtube
I dont know…training and fighting styles could change. It’s a toss up man.
Look, for all you Pacquiao haters listen up! the time for talk is over, it is time for Floyd put up or the hell up! Put his perfect record on the line and Manny will have his belt on the line.No more baseless accusations floyd no more listening to daddy floyd who puts his foot in his mouth all the time.Man up! face Manny and get the worst beating of your life
God you little gay PAC fans are gonna be soo disapointed. Please for all your sakes dont put your faith too much into PAC cuz ur feelings are just gonna get oh soo hurt. MONEY MAYWEATHER PUT YA MONEY UP YEEEP
I agree with your predictions because that’s how I have it. Many to win by TKO in the 10th. The only reason I wouldn’t have the KO earlier is because Mayweather likes to run around the ring. This fight from round 1 will be like the Cotto fight in the last rounds where Cotto is running around the ring and Manny trying to catch him. All Mayweather fans say he will win by UD, it just goes to show that they all agree Mayweather doesnt have a KO punch. None of them are saying that Mayweather will KO Manny because they know that will never happen but we all know if Pacquiao lands a solid punch in the 1st round then it’s all over. Just one those punches that Ricky Hatton received, do you actually think Mayweather can handle that.
Floyd is losing the public opinion poll. His die hard fans are sticking to him while those ones in the middle are turning away from him because they are learning about his history of ducking great fighters and picking on smaller ones. Floyd is losing this battle even before he steps into the ring. Floyd dones not really care. He thinks of himself as the best eventhough not many agrees with him.
here we go,this fight its like a baseball game in which Floyd is the pitcher,and Pacman is the batter,well,who used two hands in the game?,Yes!the batter!,Floyd cant out Manny in 3,but Pacman can swing his bat and making a home run to Floyd pitching angles,as Floyd Sr. as a cheerer in the game ,will shout and cry after nine ennning ends.
This article is a joke. Why is Pac Man’s name associated with steroids in the boxing world? What is it that we are not being told? People are commenting on Floyd making all these demands. Pac Man’s team demanded in part of the negotiations that they use a smaller ring, use smaller gloves and if Floyd weighed in heavier than 147 he would be fined 10 million dollars. Floyd agreed to all the above. Now you’re saying that because Floyd and his team are asking for random drug testing between now and the fight, that’s unreasonable, I don’t think so.
Remarkable…I’m speechless…What a perfect explanation…You are absolutely right
I agree with Manny says Floyd will lose big time and his 40-0 will be 40-1 and you can take that to the bank
Hernandez had him on floor, really? Did you watch the fight, or just look at his record and see a knockdown. Typical Floyd Hater, think with your mind, not your hopes. As Floyd says, “Skills pay the bills.” Floyd is the more skilled fighter, and can defend against Pacquiao style as well. We haven’t seen it yet, but I’m sure he’ll be able to. Ask yourself, how often does he get hit? He has rarely been hit with an accurate shot, and he fought some sharpshooters. Pacquiao will land more than the rest, however Mayweather will be too much for him.
If Floyd is not scared of Manny, he should make a compromise and start training for Manny.Why all this posturing,floyd? You can’t intimidate Manny ,you can’t rattle his cage because he fliped the script and rattled YOUR cage .I think it is time for Little Floyd should talk to his daddy because the mean boxer Manny wants to get in a fight with him in the ring.Floyd ,it is time to man up and face the music because on march 13 you will facing a Manny Pacquiao who is more determined ,more motivated than ever before.
I stopped reading right when this ediot said Manny is winning by TKO in the late rounds.
You are absolutely 100% right in your prediction regarding the outcome of this fight. Manny Pacquiao has proven that he can take power punches from a powerful welterweight as demonstrated in his fight with Miguel Cotto. Floyd Mayweather will surely be rained down by Manny’s flurry of punches coming from awkward angles. No doubt as to who wlii emerge as a winner, Manny Pacquiao…
win loose or draw, Floyd has 40 victories and zero defeats under his belt, thats why history says Floyd will win this fight. Plus if Floyd makes *Manny bleed, the fight is really over, *Manny will loose his strength and become weak. I know I know, many are waiting for someone to beat Floyd, but lets all be honest, *Manny is not the one to do it. It will be a good fight, but in the end, Floyd 1 *Manny 0. And after Floyd win, it will be interesting to see if Floyd is no longer denied as being the best to ever put on a set of gloves and master the ring unlike anyone has ever done before. Men lie, women lie, numbers don’t lie. Google it for yourself, no one has the numbers even close to Floyd, connect ratio, least hit ratio, win percentage. Men lie, Women lie, Numbers don’t lie. And the numbers when you put Floyd against your best boxing list of fighters, NONE and I repeat NONE has the unparalleled, unequaled, undisputed NUMBERS that Floyd has. NONE, not even close. Men lie, Women lie, Numbers don’t lie!
Let’s be honest okay,Floyd jr can never beat Pacquiao and he knows it.Why else was he steering this “olympic style blood test” he wants every advantage possible when he faces Manny.But guess what ,his tactic backfired ,Manny sued him.Now the Mayweather camp is all worried if they are gonna lose their money ,now who’s has the psychological advantage now ,Lil Floyd? You can’t intimidate or rattle Manny with this blood test because he has nothing to hide and it is YOU Floyd who really needs this fight.Because if you don’t make an agreement and talks break down,Manny will proceed with his legal action and you will lose everything money, pride ,respect.
Floyd will be lynched by Pacquiao.
GOOD POINTS I AGREE
in truth i want money 2 fight mosely or paul , manny deserves 2 fight floyd but this will be sure a easy pay day for floyd. look what happend when cotto started 2 box manny, manny got frustrated & did not cut off the ring, floyd will pot shot him all night and pvob stop him late…this will be a tottal mismatch.
Great article. My question is how hard is a punch that breaks an eardrum? Very hard right but Pac Man is still standing. His secret is not steroids, he ates those “Power Pellets”.
PLUS PACS ON STEROIDS.
If Floyd is not scared, why all these Olympic-style blood testing BS?
Floyd said Pacman is an EASY work than JMM….why put the blood testing BS?
JUST PUT THE GLOVES ON AND SETTLE IT IN THE SQUARED-CIRCLE.
This article is nonesense. I’m not fully impressed the way pacquiao box.
Wow! TKO on the 10th round mayweather will be buttered with punches hope you rite man and i hope and pray the fight would happen you just make my day thanx!
AND CASH COW IS RIGHT! U CANT COUNT THE HERNANDEZ KNOCK DOWN!
LITTLE FLOYD DID HAVE GATTI DOWN. HE IS CLEARLY THE BEST DEFENSIVE FIGHTER OF THIS ERA. PACS RECORD IS SMOKE AND MIRRORS. MONEY MAY BY 12 UD OR LATE STOPPAGE IN A VERY UNCOMPETITIVE FIGHT. PAC WONT BE ABLE TO CUT OFF THE RING. NOT THAT PACS BAD, BUT NO ONE CAN BEAT MONEY EXCEPT FATHER TIME
this is da dumbest shyt i ever heard hernandez didn’t put him on tha canvas dummass writer nd if its about history den y didn’t hatton win mayweather will never lose xcept it
I am convinced you are not very serious about what are writing. Gived a level playing field which Manny is avoiding this would be a very one sided fight in fovour of Floyd jr
I agree, all those people who believe mayweather will win, can never claim a KO, only a decision, like marquez. But marquez could not fight back and pacman can. so if a decision is not certain then logic dictates that the opposite alternative is possible, which is a win by Pacquiao. In this case, its more likely that pacman will get a KO because in most of his fights he has knock down fighters,even in a decision from marquez, the fat old man was knock down several times. so your right go by history not speculation.
@djkul
Manuel Perez can read???? He sure as hell can’t write!
in phillipines many filipinos simply believe what their elders or expert ( in this case roach ) says. so all those times pac believed he was a natural 130 lb given his height.But in reality he is more of a natural light walerweight 142 lb, so going up a couple more pound to 150/153 not really a big deal. many fighters can go up two divisions of their natural fight weight.
The best article and hopefully, Manuel Perez has read this.
mosley has a better chance at beating pacquiao than mayweather. mayweather can’t handle southpaws. ask his uncle, there was an interview after the first castillo fight.
thanks man! very nice and interesting view points! i really see that Mayweather is simply afraid to lose to Pacquiao that is why he’s trying everything to stop the fight to happen ..
Bias or not, this article make sense.. I bet Manuel Perez is bitting his lips while reading your article.
Either way, Boxing FANS need this fight to happen// This is the SUPERBOWL of boxing. (Once every decade)
Both side just need to meet in the middle and make this fight happen..
PEACE TO ALL and HAPPY NEW YEAR..
This is all hypothetical however with a sound basis. I just hope this article wont discourage PBF team in pursuing the fight. And I think not, since it is going to be guaranteed $40m purse for the Money. That figure alone is hard to ignore therefore I am truly convince this fight will be happening as planned.
Great article! and I definitely agree with your prediction – late TKO either 11 or 12 rounds.
Good article. This fight will be a great fight as this will be a close fight. No matter how great the defense and offense will be, one lucky punch can change everything.
I want to start by saying that I hope Pacquiao wins in a fight with Mayweather…
On that not I do not see it happening. Albeit the points in this article are accurate I have to say most of it that I do not see Pacquiao winning. MAyweather is not about going for the knock-out or confrontation… that’s a known. Nobody likes it; including myself. I wish he would take more risks. Pacquiao is one hell of a fighter; strong, fast… unfortunately what I see is PAC throwing the “kitchen sink” at Mayweather… and missing. Connecting 2 of his 8 punch combos but catching leather as he comes in. It’s a fight favorite: OFFENSE VS. DEFENSE. who’s the best at what they do? Pacquiao sure has elevated his offense in recent years, but Mayweather has perfected his defense to the point where it rivals that of Ali and most likely surpasses it. Thats why I say… MAYWEATHER BY DECISION. I’m gonna look for some more of your articles Ryan Dunn. after March 13th
Blah blah blah…, the point is you all love talking about Mayweather! As my lil sister said, Pacquiao is popular or mainstream because of how people despise/hate Mayweather. Zero the possibility of Mayweather fighting Pacquiao, and Pacquiao would be forgotten like Mosely.
If the Pacquiao who proves he is clean (by undergoing unrestricted Olympic-style testing) fights Mayweather, Mayweather will KNOCK him out in less than 5 rounds.
If the Pacquiao on juice fights Mayweather, Mayweather will be asking for trouble and the risk is not worth taking. I think if Pacquiao wont do the test Mayweather should walk away and allow Pacquiao’s fans to put the necessary pressure on their man not to make a little honest accounting,testing, such a big deal if he is clean.
JUST A WISH
I totally agree with everything you have said……Pacquiao is my hero for sure ..
Floyd is terrified of the pac-attack,great article kid!!
No more excuses from both sides. Let’s all demand it happens.
im a filo and hope manny wins but you are obviously 1 sided on it, i can see floyd or manny winning and im 60 and have been watching boxing my whole life and was at Oscar v manny(great fight).
I could not disagree more. Have you boxed a day in your life?
i also one of the main reasons why this fight will not happen is due to a guy behind the scenes called bryan mcclements. He is protected quite a lot but is one of the few guys always involved in fights between golden boy and top rank. He has been saying a lot of things to both party’s causing lots of bust ups and its mainly because of the farties in his pants. He just wants to sweeten up one of the promoters to make his payday that much sweeter. he is a farty gubbed hur and hopefully i have exposed him to everybody.
great article!! i agree with most things you have said.
Bang-up job, Ryan Dunn! Very entertaining read and smart analysis. Couldn’t agree more. Floyd Jr knows this for sure that’s why he is pyfooting.
This article clearly explains why Floyd Jr. doesnt want to fight Pacquiao, he is simply overmatch.