Two judges had Froch winning five rounds against Ward: What fight were they watching?
December 18th, 2011
By Scott Gilfoid: I’m still kind of stunned at how awful two of the judges’ scorecards were last night. How on earth could two of the judges – John Stewart and Craig Metcalfe – give Carl Froch five rounds in against Andre Ward? They scored it officially 115-113 each, while the other judge from the UK John Keane scored it 118-110.
That was a good round from Froch, but only because Ward took the round off. But the other rounds Ward landing more punches and hitting Froch with clean right hands and left hooks. How could you find five rounds in the entire fight to score for Froch and how could two judges both see it that way? It’s like the lottery or something. What were those judges watching? Froch was getting used and abused by Ward, and these judges saw Froch winning five rounds?
They almost had the fight a draw. Can you believe that? How in the heck is the fight we just saw almost a draw? Scary judging. It would have been a tragedy had the judges given Froch a draw. That would have made a joke out of the Super Six tournament. I wonder what they would have done then? Fight another time or just have both fighters hands raised as the Super Six champions. That would be lame. I could have sat at ringside with a blindfold on and come up with more realistic scores than that. That is a joke.
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this guy is a knob,but he has a point! froch didnt win five rounds maybee two
poor froch he looked sad slow and dumbfounded against Ward who was superior as all Americans are against the brits. for what going on 240 years now.
I had Froch winning a lopsided decision of 8 rounds to 3 with one even. Ward ran scared from Froch’s power. Froch only lost because he looked drained and skeletal at the weigh-in. Another dose of hometown cooking to give the home fighter the win. Ward looked afraid and had no power. Ward won’t fight away from home.
Sound familiar?
@Lennox Tyson – Totally agree. However, what you have to appreciate is that, for those who do not show those values on here, slagging off the achievements of people who put shame to their very existance, is a way of life and the only excitment they get. Pathetic, but true.
Yeah, Froch won 5 rounds easy, maybe 7. Ward just looked busier and was fast but never hurt Froch it was a close fight, I thought it might be a draw
Ward won, but it wasn’t a shutout. Froch was in fact tough in there, just out-speeded. He has some work to do, but he’ll be back. He is tough as nails afterall, no matter what the haters say. Ward is a boooooo-rrriiiiinnng fighter though with all that grabbing. I’d like to see Froch against Kessler, Steiglitz, Oosthuizen, Pavlek, Bika, Andrade. Ward needs to fight Bute next though. Bute may not have had as tough competition as Froch, but he’s had as tough as Ward. It would be a great fight.
The “fans” (haters) of both fighters should watch the post-fight press conference of Ward and Froch: no excuses and mutual respect. Froch is not B-level and Ward is maybe the best in the division. Period.
Tigerfish if that was Froch’s best then he is more pathetic then i thought because he didnt even win 2 rounds!!!
poor brits just born losers with no real sports heroes just zeroes. froch was too old and too slow looking like old henry cooper. sad britties.
Froch will try to overturn the decision all english boxers are all the same
Totally agree, Scott. I had the fight 9-3 for Ward (and that is with me being very generous)
Beercat is a pedoph!le
Ward couldnt wait to get out the ring in the end. The slow and limited Froch is also tough relentless and wards best efforts couldnt slow him down despite the clinching hit and hold tactics.
Froch must learn to start faster. It cost him against Kessler also.
The ripper is right, The commentators give such a biased view on things almost leading the viewer to believe what they say. The British commentary is always extrmely negative towards Froch and his lack of defense, you would think by now that the would come to expect it and appreciate that it is why his fights can be so exciting.
Froch definitely took more than a few rounds in this one, the problem for him being that those rounds were all reasonably tight whereas the rounds Ward won were a bit more convincing. Froch however was definitelt the stronger fighter towards the end of this fight and ward couldnt wait to get out of there as Froch although slow and limited is also relentless….look at hward checking the clock, he was gassing. Froch needs to apply the pressure much earlier in his fights, it cost him the Kessler fight also.
I had it 118 to 110. Froch won two rounds and that’s it. It wasn’t close at all. He was completely outclassed by Ward. I gave Froch the 5th rd even though it was close I was being generous and the 9th rd not because he looked stronger but because Ward looked tired and took off that rd… The Amir Khan vs Lemont Peterson was close. A draw or a one point victory for Khan would have been fine with me.
I saw a few rounds that Froch won but if you were listening to the commentary you would think Ward was in there alone.
I actually agree with you Scott, yet another example of how poor the standard of judging is now a days. Ward schooled Froch, an immense talent for sure
COULDN’T AGREE WITH YOU MORE SCOTT. ONE MORE ROUND GIVEN BY THE TWO BLIND MICE TO FROCH, AND THE FIGHT WOULD HAVE BEEN A DRAW!!! SCARY, ISN’T IT?
the only person who looked more pathetic than froch was his promoter hearn.
The judges went to Scott Gilfoid’s boxing school. That is why they know squat.
Froch showed true class in defeat. Great ambassador for boxing.
those 2 judges deserve a huge slap for trying to cheat ward out of a victory.
@ B E A R C A T.
Are you american by any chance? Overweight? Annoying accent?
think you are god? believe in god in an unhealthy way?
@ Boxing fan
Froch gave it all he had, how was that a pathetic display. The best man won, but froch tried his best and never gave up, in no way is that pathetic.
Froch deserved to win a few rounds ffs, the right man won at the end, thats all that really matters.
froch got robbed last nite
B e a r c a t
And the brits fall one by one
Haye
Khan
Froch
who is next
Froch said he got beat in every aspect of the fight! wake up fight fans.. it wouldnt matter where this fight took place
I agree with the judges, it was a close fight. Carl Froch is a great warrior and has nothing to be ashamed of. He was outskilled by a better boxer. Like Ward said in the post fight interview. Froch will be champion again.
I watched the fight twice. Froch did better than he looked the first time I watched it.
115-113 doesn’t necessarily mean it was a razor tight close fight. I gave Froch the last 2, so after 10 Ward had a very comfortable 7-3 lead in the first 10, if you scored it that way!!
A lot of Forum posters gave froch the 5th and 9th, and some have made a case for him winning round 1, so have no problem with 2 judges giving it that way, similar to Pascal Hopkins 2, close scoreline, comfortable win!!
@Polo, I’m a club brawler myself, I did that all the time. It give me excitement. I’m sorry but that what kind of guy I am.
This was an excellent year for bits…
I still feel ward is protected as he hasn’t stepped out of his own country yet. I think he should give Foch a rematch on European soil to prove he is the real deal.
Foch is still the man and will be champ again soon.
Carl I’m still behind you mate.
all i saw was wrestling… ward is all heads and elbows… and was yet again allowed to do it
he aint a benn or eubank and not really a boxer
i gave him 3 rounds, he did a lot better than i expected
Froch has always fought with his hands down and you tant take his style away from him as it helped him become world champ. I always say it doenst matter how hard you train, its on the day on how you feel which has a big effect on the fight. Froch juest didnt seem himslef byt Ward did win fair and square
froch has no defence,he could of at least tried to block most of wards shots,his hands were by his ankles for gods sake.ward was stronger faster and had better skills on the attack inside and on his back foot.froch is never gonna beat this guy with his hands down there
AS much as i hate to admit it. Ward won fair and square. Froch didnt seem himself at all. He seemed lathargic.
I feel frotch was very strong towards the end but didnt do enough. Froch is still the man though.
I’m British and follow boxing closely..
Froch was beaten comprehensively! No doubt about it..
Everyone should accept that Frich was beaten by a better boxer.
Frich was too slow for Ward. And I wad accepting war from Froch, which he said in the interviews, but it was otherway around!! With Ward taking the fight to Froch..
Froch won only 4 rounds for me!
Stop hating, Love boxing!!!!
I’m not a big fan of Ward’s boxing style – not very entertaining. But as a bloke, have a lot of respect for him – he was gracious and modest. Forch also deserves a lot of respect for the calivre of oppsosition he has fought, many of which have been on the road. So respect to both guys, I just wish this writer would show some respect instead of churning out hundreds of unpaid ‘articles’ daily. Even if it is tongue in cheek, perhaps when he’s on his death bed he might think that he could have got out more.
@A.J. – If Froch is a bum, what does that make you? Haha fool.
@focker… So u like watching two guys with no talent beat each others face in. Go watch bar matches then. Last night was a good fight. Boxing is about hitting and not letting urself get hit. U let urself get hit u wind up like roach. Punch drunk.
Froch’s face cracked me up when they announced the scores. He was as shocked as me! I really wish he wouldn’t bark so much leading up to a fight, cause other than that he seems like a stand up guy.
lol carl was talking up a big fight and had all the brits excited. Atleast khan has skills this guy froch is a bum.
Realy was surprised at the way ward handled froch never thought his tactics would keep froch out for so long he realy is an excellent boxer and should go far’Froch as he always does showed plenty of heart and grit but he came up short and that was clear to seeWrd was also very gracious after the fight in his comments towards froches efforts and that in itself showsa very good and talented respectful fighter .
I put my money on Ward whoever his opponent is but I will not watch the fight because it bored me to death. Just find out the result after the fight and collect my winnings. Slick boxer is not my kind of fighter, I like to watch a brawl with no clinching.
You can watch the fight for free: google “ard boxen”. Click the fist page “Boxen – sportschau” and then you will see a picture with Ward and the trophy. The next line is “Der komplette Kampf Froch vs. Ward” (the complete fight) – click, watch and score by yourself
I THINK IN ALL HONESTY carl froch is in the wrong division, his style suits heavier boxers, he would be a serious threat to the light heavyweight division, lets face it his chin has not been hurt at super middleweight and his two defeats have been because ward and kessler was both too fast and skilled for him. he should take on kessler and see if he can get that off his record then go up a division where his style will be more appreciated
Ward doesn’t like to trade, he’s a wimp unlike our British warrior Carl Froch. You Americans like to be slick, whereas our fighters like to brawl and trade. It’s a British sport, the Americans have ruined it with their wimpy “slick” styles, for e.g. Tim “coward” Bradley, Floyd “don’t like getting hit” Mayweather, and now Andre “dirty son of god” Ward.
it was an american and canadian judge that had it that close and we all know that most americans are retards when it comes to boxing!
Like I said even tommy the gun will out boks froch
There were many close rounds that but I would have given Froch not more than 4. The problem was that Ward was not only faster but the referee let him fight is usual dirty ugly style. So basically, Ward wins his fights because he lands more AFTER clinching leaning etc. Basically it´s a hold and hit style which should be banned soon.
For once U actually agree with something Scott Gilfoid says. Dont know what planet those 2 judges were on but it was not ours!
froch was robbed i gave him 2,5,7,9,10,11,12 and a i scored two level well robbed always thought them americans would rob froch showtime should have called the super six the andre ward show out of order just another robbery in america just like germany
Froch can not fight against fast,skilled opponents and it showed real bad in this fight.I scored froch 1 rd also the 9th and that was being generous.By his own admission froch said he is an old school toe to toe fighter and that was his downfall here,like ward said,you cant fight with no defence.Where does froch go now?mabe lucian bute is all thats left because a ward rematch would be pointless.I cant see anyone in the super mid defeating ward now.
Carl is a real hard man no doubt about it. Unfortunately e didnt have the skill to beat the ward simple as that.