The Pretty Boy Floyd Effect
December 25th, 2010
By Rod Bautista: What has dominated discussion on this site is the scheduled fight between Sugar Shane Mosley and Manny Pacquiao. Everyone has opined about the quality of this bout questioning the reasoning behind this. To look at the reasoning for this bout you must look at the big picture. Unfortunately no matter how you look at it there is one fighter that has been affecting the fights that are being made by not being involved in them, Floyd Mayweather.
Experts and Fans were salivating at another chance to directly compare Manny and Floyd through another common opponent. The PBFE came into effect as Mayweather announced that he was coming out of retirement, effectively taking the spotlight somewhat off the new face of the sport.
In my opinion Floyd couldn’t sit there and listen to all the praise Pacquiao was receiving. Here is an Asian fighter who was a warrior who came forward and exchanged with his foes. Floyd of course was always dogged with accusations not only of ducking the toughest fights, but also dancing around his competition. He was the slickest defensive boxer in the world, but his recent wins were not a source of inspiration for the masses. He always did enough to win and stay pretty, but his fights weren’t exactly the most exciting. Combine that with the fact that Floyd Mayweather wasn’t always the media’s darling compounded the fact. Remember the Brian Kenny interview?
Experts and writers openly wrote about the differing styles and the energy Pacquiao was injecting into the sport of boxing again. His demeanor was refreshing, his story was compelling, but most of all his tenacious win at all cost mentality is what endeared him to not only the boxing world, but the general public. Look at what was being written around the time Pacquiao fought Hatton, and you’ll see a kind of love that Mayweather never got.
In announcing his fight with Juan Manuel Marquez Floyd worked to do the opposite. PBFE was working to not only take away some of Pacquiao’s glory, but to show a favorable comparison in common opponents favoring Floyd. Why else would Floyd fight Marquez. With all the people available to fight for his first fight back he chose Marquez not for his drawing ability and not for the challenge, it was to get a direct comparison. Just like Manny did when he fought Oscar.
The fans ate it up. It fed to the appetite of rabid boxing fans wanting to compare the two.
Floyd beat Marquez thoroughly though he didn’t beat him up, he convincingly beat Marquez, and regardless of what people say about the weight issue Floyd won convincingly. To Floyd fans it was vindication, and validation that he still was the best.
PBFE succeeded in creating doubt in Manny’s legacy and created even more heat for the match up that everyone truly wanted.
Manny then took on Miguel Cotto. A boxer that many believe Floyd ducked. Manny annihilated Cotto, and Mega Fight Mania hit a fever pitch!
We all know that fight never happened and PBFE did it’s best to convince the general public that the reason for Manny’s success was PED’s. Most experts don’t buy into it, but it has divided the boxing fans who were already divided on either side. The real reason the PED debate started and Floyd’s willingness to fight Manny or Manny’s willingness to take the tests is not what I want to talk about, but the effect that PBFE has had on the boxing world.
Let’s get passed the fact that the fight hasn’t happened. The real effect it has had is number one who Manny Pacquiao fights is not clearly evident. PBFE has prevented fights that should have taken place. Look at it this way other than Floyd the only true established welterweights are Miguel Cotto, Shane Mosley, and Antonio Margarito. Now don’t mistake what I’m saying I’m not debating who is the better fighter, but only stating who would be considered top tier fighters. If Floyd isn’t around or doesn’t come out of retirement there definitely would have been more action between those three and the up and coming welterweights out there putting more legitimate welterweights on that list. We’d see more fights the likes of Berto, Bradley, and Alexander. Historically Champions need to step out of the limelight to allow the future of the sport to begin. PBFE has subjected us to constant speculation. Really Floyd are you in or are you out?
Think about it. Every boxer has had to take a back seat to the Manny and Floyd show. Andre Berto could have had a “better” fight or Shane could have fought Manny after Cotto. Who knows? Truth is without Floyd in the picture Manny’s opponents would have more clear. Berto could have fought Cotto, Margarito would be mixing it up with whoever. Fact is the whole Mega Fight meltdown created a scramble to make other fights happen. Clottey definitely wouldn’t have been an option, and at the time Berto was to fight Mosley.
If Floyd vs. Manny wasn’t on the table then the winner of Mosley vs. Berto would have been the next foe. Furthermore Floyd has hindered Berto’s progression by taking his fight with Mosley away. We’re caught in a state of flux where there is no certainty of what is to happen next.
PBFE has dictated that although Manny has to stay active it makes putting the right fight difficult, because he needs to fight, but with every fight Pacquiao’s handlers to make sure that they don’t jeopardize the shot of having the greatest pound for pound fight ever.
Don’t kid your selves people this fight with Mosley would not have been made if Bob Arum didn’t think Manny was likely to win. The question you have to ask your selves is
can you blame Manny for making this fight? PBFE has put a wrench in the progression of boxing. Until Floyd gets in to the ring with Manny or until he stays away permanently the Pretty Boy Floyd Effect will water down the type of fights we’re going to see.
I know it sounds dumb, but do you really want to see Manny lose so that Floyd never really has to fight him. That is the risk Manny is taking with every fight. If your place in history was in jeopardy would you risk facing an up and coming unknown fighter and lose that chance? If Manny loses to Shane he will never have a chance of fighting Floyd. Floyd will be let off the hook. By getting into legal trouble Floyd literally gets a “Get Out of Jail Free” card. He has another built in excuse not to fight. Funny thing is Floyd still manages to Jet Set around the world and he still has court side seats, but he doesn’t have the time to make history, and guess what no one is talking about it. PBFE at it’s finest, I’m sure.
Floyd has successfully taken the spotlight off himself and it’s pointed square at Manny. Now Manny’s ducking the competition and he’s the one on PED’s and he’s the one who is ripping off the fans. The truth is it’s Floyd’s fault that you all think that the Pacquiao-Mosley fight sucks or at least you’re being led to believe that it does. If Floyd wasn’t going to fight Manny anyway he should have stayed retired instead of literally taking long vacations between fights and taking the boxing world hostage. When Floyd came out of retirement did you all seriously think that it would be the year 2011 and we’d still be waiting for the Mega Fight?
The fight on May 7, 2011 may not be what you all want to see, and it might not be the most competitive. I for one think that it’s going to be a great fight. I know it won’t be a defensive battle, and Shane won’t have to chase Manny or wait for him to exchange. Punches will be thrown early and often. In the end you can blame Manny and Top Rank for making this fight, but in the end you should know that ultimately The Pretty Boy Floyd Effect is equally to blame.
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How about leaving his trial with his attorney’s, get other trainer’s service, let GB promotions sit on the negotiations and fight pacquiao and knock him out as fast as he can, then go back to his trial and then go to jail, try to stay fit and healhty while in jail and when comes out he can fight whoever on the P4P top list.
Pac vs Mosely is a slap on the face of Marquez for all his arrogance against Pac. Now he has to beg to get thaT multi million bucks
@ Bible of Boxing.
Don’t worry man, MMa is just the younger, newer sport.
It’s like the hot girl that moves into the neighborhood and boxing is like the cougar on the block. Eventually even the younger girl will fall victim to gravity.
Right now, Dana white is doing well. But MMA is not immune to the shadiness and greed that plagues boxing.
The appeal of MMA was the exciting fights and good match-ups, but now, in fighters like GSP and Anderson Silva, we are seeing fighters that fight smart and don’t just barrel in. So even MMA fights which were pure fights are now turning into chess matches.
MMA is also getting it’s share of bad judging, something that also has put a black eye on boxing.
Eventually MMA will get to the point that boxing is at now. We will see more fight organizations all with their own champions. Then it will get to the point where people will clamor for the champions of each promotion to fight one another, and MMA will find itself in the same place boxing is in now.
The line between boxing and MMA will disappear because people will realize that they just want to see a good fight whether it’s MMA or Boxing.
floyd is encountering his toughest fight in his personal life.remember Tysons best carreer was before female intervention.it is sad but true .Some fighters want to have more control than they can in their personal life.,The seperation of boxing and the intamate life seems oh! so different.
@Carlos. Thanks for your kind compliments. Like I keep saying I am a fan of boxing more than any boxer.
I was attracted to the pictures my father’s ring and boxing illustrated magazines in the late 50′s. Boxing stories were at the back of the boxing illustrated and eventually I began to read the stories. They would not only cover present boxers but also old fights. So I got hooked.
All through the 60′s to the 90′s I bought every box magazine I could from Ring, B.I., Boxing Digest, Boxing Today, World Boxing, International Boxing, KO and a few more. I also got boxing books, anything that featured boxing. I watched major fights on TV, Closed circuit or at the cinema.
There was no internet like today so an avid fan like myself did what he could to keep informed. I watched old fights that I borrowed from my dad or his friends. Now with the internet I also download many fightsand watch them over and over.
Like I said before I am a boxing fan although I have had so many favourites from the 60′s to now. They come and go but boxing stays. That is why I can’t understand why fans allow their favourites to get away with not facing the best.
Boxing is losing the battle to MMA. Why? Greedy and crooked world bodies! Promoters too! When there is a big WWE or MMA match the event can be bought in video stores later under the respective brand. We can’t get boxing matches in video stores and we scarcely see boxing on TV like MMA and WWE.
My sons are 30 and 26 whom I introduced top boxing but they are now bigger MMA fans. Like young folks xcept for Manny and Floyd they don’t know any boxers because they don’t see them on tv like before.
PPV fights are killing boxing. When Manny and Floyd retire we won’t have any other major stars. The promoters don’t care so we have Mosley vs Manny. We need to see the great match ups so that casual fans get entertained. Too many titles and too many divisions. This is killing my sport.
Very well written article. Despite being extremely talented, Floyd believes he is above boxing, and can make his own rules. You can easily pick holes throughout his pro career, his choices of fights…. his excuses. He has avoided fighters (ie, Cotto, Margarito….. Pacquiao!), so I would never consider him P4P No1 (no matter how many times HE tells us!).
Mayweather did fight Mosley. Why JMM for his first fight back? Ask Bert Sugar google what he says about it, or google Al Bernstein and what he says about, hell go youtube the Brian Kenny interview.
You make it sound like I’m the only one saying this. Wake up man look at the welterweights he fought baldomir, Judah after a loss? Please guy look at his record and try to tell me again that he didn’t cherry pick. Go you have a computer google it!
Pacquiao name will always be tied to the drug testing refusal, mayweather already won.
truth tella;
GOOGLE, yes after the fact many say Mayweather is picking easy fights, but not before the fights! Again, 3 of his last 4 opponents were deemed the most dangerous at the time! That is the truth and you know it. Hatton was a jww, so what, so is JMM and he has a better chance against Pac than Mosley. ODLH was practically a middleweight. Yet Mayweather fought the those that the were thought to have the best chance of erasing that “0″. He didn’t jump up to fight a Diaz, Clottey, or Marg, or face a 40 year old who hasn’t won in 2 and a half years instead of the best opponent who is at a lower weight! Arum had it set so right after Hatton, May couldn’t fight Cotto or Marg because he had there next two fights set up! Then Arum cried how Floyd wouldn’t fight them. Then some writers that did not actually look at this served as Big Bob’s mouthpiece. Don’t kid yourself, Arum is a very powerful man and controls the media much more than most suspect.
Disappointing to read such a long article and reach to a lame, pointless conclusion like that!!!
And it is not “A” “drug” test. How does unlimited random BLOOD tests get morphed into being called A DRUG test as if to imply Pac refused to take one single DRUG test. The issue was his reluctance to take UNLIMITED BLOOD tests up until and including the day of the fight. Pac agreed to take blood tests, up to 14 days out and now he even agreed to the day before the fight. He agreed to take as many urine or hair folicle tests (far emore accurate than blood and a lot less invasive or risky) including a blood test immediately after the fight. Wake up. The entire PED blood testing issue is Mayweather’s ruse on the public to duck out of hte fight. It is plain as day.
Stanley, you are truly delusional. You are one of the masses hypnotized by Floyd. You see only what you want to see. Newedles from a tattoo are very different than a hypodermic needle sucking out blood from your vein. He never said he was afraid of needles. Just that he did no like having his blood drawn. Two very different things. I guess the blood test immediately after the fight you conveniently forgot about Anyone who cannot see that this entire blood test thing is a ruse by Mayweather to duck out of the fight is a moron. Besides, Manny agreed to all blood testing and Floyd STILL won’t fight him. I rest my case
Congressman refuses olympic style blood testing. Some squeaky clean good guy he turned out to be. “I’m afraid of needles”, If I lose blood I’ll be weak. These are but a couple excuses put together by the good guy. Wake up people, demand from the congressman that he adhere to the dare by Mayweather, take the test. Or else the headliners from now own shall be Manny can take a Junior Middleweight Punch head on, however he is a clear ducker for a bloodtest. The warrior who is afraid of needles and blood lost, but fearlessly brave (when juicing) in taking a straight right to the chin.
Mr. Mayweather agreed to an unprecedented $10 million per pound penalty, 8 oz. gloves as well as a 50/50 purse. Those were Manny’s demands. Money May asked for one thing, one tiny thing, a blood test and the reprobates scream foul. A drug test !!! We have a so called war on drugs campaign world wide, but you clowns frown and balk at a drug test. News flash, the only people in opposition to drug test are dealers and users. I am still awaiting an explanation, not only to the aforementioned, but also I would like to know from the morons this – How does Floyd Mayweather with no belt generate and make more that your beloved p4p juicing queen? How ? Floyd was only outdone by Tiger Woods. Hell he made $60 million in all in his battle with Mosely. Pac made around $12 million, which he shared with Arum, De la Hoya, Roach and the drug dealers. Since when does the p4p diva make significantly less than a fighter with no belt. Take the drug test good guy, prove the bad guy wrong. Afterall, if you are clean, then you have nothing to hide. Only in boxing can you claim to be a warrior, don a huge tattoo but yet pretend to be afraid of needles. A dummy sees thru that, but not a moron. Deceit is transparent, its a matter of just opening your eyes to see it. Good guy, congressman – take the dam test. A congressman that refuses a drug test – what a leading example.
An abundance of ignorants permeates this site, day in and day out. Every so often one with an iota of smarts make themselves available (thank God almighty for that). So many misinformed fools is evident of why this world is in the shape that it is. All Manny has to do is man up, do the right thing and take the random blood test. Simple as that. Help make the world a better place, by promoting a drug free sport. The only person afraid to committ to an extensive and random drug test (via blood) is someone that has something to hide. And guess what ? Each and everyone of you morons know it. Floyd yielded to Manny’s demand, all three, including and unpredented 10 million dollar per pound penalty (which was and remands unmatched by any boxer). The guy is obviously juicing (if not then test – duh). Afterall Roach has a history of training boxers that have used banned substances. And the hypocrisy in demanding testing from Mosely (since he has a history is ridiculous. Anyway how in the hell does the “so-called” p4p diva come up so significantly short at the bank compared to Money May. Floyd tallied $60 million in all in his 36 minute flogging of Mosely while the diva garnered around $12. Explain that, Floyd doesn’t even hold a belt but was able to out do the diva. $22 million guaranteed (Floyd), the Mosely fight. Pacman guaranteed around $6 million with Clottey. Someone has been duped. Take the drug test Pac, do it for the youth, promote a drug free sport and world. Don’t be a hypocrit. You fake, squeaky dirty, I mean squeaky clean good guy. Give me a break, you people are pathetic. Take the test !!!
I honestly can’t believe how NAIEVE some boxing fans are????
Mayweather will do ALL THINGS NECESSARY TO AVOID FIGHTING PACQUIOA…WITH NAIEVE IDIOTS STATING HE HAS LEGAL ISSUES?? HE’S RETIRED????? PACON PEDS??? I’M MOVING UPIN WEIGHT??
ARE YOU’S ALL BLIND????…WHY NOT LOOK UP “FLOYD MAYWEATHER SNR I FEAR FOR MY SONS LIFE ” ON “YOU TUBE”DATED NOV 15TH 2010???
MAYWEATHER REFUSES TO LET LITTLE OLD FLOYD FIGHT BIG OLD MANNY AS HE’S “TERRIFIED”??? IT’S THERE ON YOU TUBE….STOP BEING SO NAIEVE!!!
I’m a fan of both Manny and Floyd.
Although I enjoy watching Manny fights more and I would want Manny to win in a fight with Floyd.
That being said, I don’t believe either man is afraid of one another.
I think the first round of negotiations was screwed because Floyd tried to do what Floyd always does in negotiations which is make the other guy play to his drum, and Team Pac wasn’t playing that game.
Remember when Bob Arum said that he’d call off negotiations if Mayweather turned negotiations into a circus or try to use the media to negotiate a fight? And what did Arum do when Floyd went to the media to say that he thought Pacquiao was on steroids? He went on friggin vacation that’s what, while the whole steroid thing got blown up by the media and the crazy fans.
That’s why the fight didn’t happen the first time.
During the second go round, I believe that Floyd had very real and legitimate reasons to not fight Pacquiao at that time. But in true Floyd fashion he wasn’t gonna just come out and say it (see his answer to the dying kid who asked him about fighting Pacquiao. Didn’t give a straight answer). He let that liar Ellerbee make a false statement and left all the fans of either side to speculate on why Floyd was so silent.
Now again, Floyd finds himself in real legal trouble, and we may not get the fight that we want and that boxing deserves.
Make no doubt though. Neither man is scared of one another, but BOTH men will have to compromise to make the fight happen. Full random testing with a 14-day cutoff for blood testing and urine all the way up to the fight with a blood and urine test immediately after the fight.
@John Doe
So why do the experts dog him for not fighting the toughest welterweights out there? Hatton was a jr. welterweight as well so know I’m not being ignorant just telling the truth.
Two years ago, Carlo Rotella wrote in The New York Times, “There are good welterweight boxers to fight, and Mayweather isn’t fighting them. Even when he does deign to box, he has been taking big money fights against relatively easy opponents. At some point, his refusal to fight other top welterweights begins to undercut his claim to superlative greatness as a boxer, and the cachet of Mayweather’s brand rests on that claim.”
Show me what the boxing experts and writers were saying then about Floyd Mayweather.
Dude wake up. It’s like you think I’m the one who came up with this theory.
Also, it should be noted that almost immediately after Mayweather beat Hatton Arum had Cotto and Marg signed to fight someone else with a guarantee for them to fight each other if they both won, which they did. Mosley straight refused to fight Floyd at this time, look it up, and then we all know what happened. Marg destroyed Cotto, Mosley destroyed Marg, and Floyd fought the only one left standing and destroyed him.
Truth Tella,
Actually no Cotto would have had decent odds, but Hatton was a top p4p fighter and had the best odds of anyone (less than 2:1) since his days at 130, Cotto would not have had those odds. As for Margarito, that is a joke, he woulda been 5:1 at the very best and at this time, I believe Mosley was fighting Vargas and refused to fight floyd, that is well known. As for his trial, his one is Jan. 24 and has another in Feb. please, you obviously do not know the truth, to say that Marg or Mosley would have had better odds than Hatton at the time is plain ignorant, everyone was praising Hatton as this great p4p beast and claiming Floyd was ducking him and insisting he had the best chance of beating him. After the fight, it was obvious Hatton could not compete with Mayweather, but not before my friend.
Pac had his chance when Mayweather asked for him to take the test and he didn’t that was all Manny fault.Then after May beat Mosley then Pac and Roach start talking bout taking a test when they knew already that May would demand more money plus pac didn’t want to take a random drug test what the heck is that all about? So Pac is fighting for money cause if it was for legacy he would fight Martinez, why aint nobody talking bout Pac ducking the best out? He ducked Mosley before but after Mosley gets beat and look pass his prime they ask to fight him cause when it all said and done it looks good on paper but us that alive and know what really going on know that Many fights fighters that are coming off of a lost and a catch weight king.
@Danny Boy
Read Thomas Hauser’s article on the situation. Why make the biggest fight in history about PED’s when there is no proof of any wrong doing. It’s just BS. Why bother running your mouth and pounding your chest saying your the best, if you’re just going to bury your head in the sand.
Open your eyes dude. Ask Urango, Cotto, Margarito and Mosley how hard it is to pin down the pretty boy. Looki at his opponents after Castillo 2. Gatti? Judah? Hatton? Please man he’s ducked the best out there consistently.
@John Doe
When Mayweather fought Hatton it wasn’t the most dangerous fight out there. Cotto, Margarito and of course Mosley were the most dangerous at welterweight. Hatton was a light welterwight at best.
About the Pacquiao fight the PED thing is so not the issue. Why can’t he fight now? He probably won’t go to trial for quite some time.
Mayweather ducked everyone before he retired and is still ducking the best now.
I just don’t get…how Pacquiao walks away from a 50 million dollar blood test and Mayweather’s scared.. go figure.
phooquaio;
That is exactly what I said. one out of four fights is not bad though, especially when that fight was coming off what, a two-year layoff? Still, the fight was a sham, but like I said other than that his last three opponents were supposed to be the most dangerous ones available for him! I would be very happy if the best boxers took on the biggest challenges 75% of the time!
Sounds like Pinoy logic to me..
@john doe.
Whay exactly made Jmm a dangerous fight for Mayweather at welterweight? Nothing.
Bible of boxing;
So was it floyds fault Manny lied to get out of fighting him? Was it cowardly to take on ODLH, Hatton, and Mosley when no one at the time (besides Pac with Mosley, but there is no doubt Pac blatantly lied to get out of that) would have had better odds against him? His first fight at WW was a mismatch, and so was JMM, granted but when three out of his last four opponents were considered the most dangerous at the time, how is it that Mayweather refused to fight the best??? No one really knows what happened in May/June of this year and it does seem May was at fault there, but there are no details at all, just Arum saying they wanted the fight and Mayweather didnt. What offer did Arum make to Mayweather? As for now, May could very well be incarcerated by the time of any fight he scheduled now, so its really common sense to wait to his legal woes are over. Please, just tell me, how facing the fighter that is deemed the most dangerous (which May has done three out of his last four fights) is somehow not facing the best or losing bravery or heart?
To compare the two fighters as they fought common foes is just plain amateurish. And to blame Floyd for Pac’s pick of Mosley and his refusal to fight quality competition is absurd. You know full well that Floyd will make no decisions until after his court appearance on the 24th. There is no reason why Pac could not wait one more month. If it were the other way around, Pac fans would suggest that Floyd was taking advantage of the circumstances to dodge Pac. Pac is farce and is only a paper champ.
Mayweather just go to jail and stop bothering the fans
@ The Bible of Boxing.
I agree with you to a point.
There is a time in a fighter’s career where he must think about money.
True, the old fighters took on all comers until they were too old to be in the ring. While that type of bravery is something to behold, those fighters often ended up broke and with nothing.
We as fans should cut proven elite fighters a little slack when they are in the tail end of their careers. Yeah, they want our money, but if we didn’t want to see great fights, then the money wouldn’t be there. The fact is, while they fight to get paid, we pay to see fights. It’s not as if they owe us anything because we got entertainment in return for our initial investment. We don’t fork over money in hopes that future fights will be great. We pay money to see greatness in the moment.
Manny has given us excitement for his entire career. At this point, I can’t be mad if he goes for the money.
Besides, it’s not as if Jones and Hopkins are still fighting the best in their division. How long was Hopkins ducking Dawson? When was the last time Jones fought someone that mattered? No even those guys take the fights that make the most sense financially.
I do agree that Marquez is the fight that should have happened. But I’m not mad because even if the fight was at 140, Marquez still loses. Mosley at least has a puncher’s chance. marquez won’t hurt Manny even though he may be able to outbox him.
Mayweather Sr. told Pac lie, lie and lie to not fight my son because he is scared. Dec. 13 2009 Freddie Roach said they have no problem with the PED testing Floyd requested, shortly afterward Koncz said the same thing. Then Pac demanded 8 oz. gloves instead of the normal WW 10 oz gloves. Mayweather said ok the very next day. Then Pac demanded a 10 million dollar penalty for every pound overweight and the next day Mayweather said that too is fine. Then, and only then, did the blood testing become an issue. At first Pac was scared of needles. Then he would only fight by the rules of every other fight. Than he would be too weak if he gave blood less than 24 days before the fight. Then Pac scheduled to give blood just 20 days before his next fight. Obviously, Mayweather knew Pac would be too weak to fight him, but not anyone else, if he gave blood that close to a fight. This request for PED testing was out of fear. He knew Pac would agree than retract and lie numerous times to get out of the fight. All Mayweather’s fault. 100% Pac wanted this fight from day one!
@The Bible of Boxing
I’ve been reading a lot of comments in this web site, and I’ve read a lot of comments from The Bible of Boxing, I don’t know if you are the same person. But from the writings I can tell they are the same person. I have to say that you’re a very good writer, a very logical person. Always state the facts without any biased towards any fighter. You also know a lot about boxing. I don’t know if you are a professional writer or not, but I believe you are absolutely qualify as a very good writer, even better than others writers here. I hope one day that you will write an article in this site. A lot of people will read it and enjoy it. Thank you for all your comments and I am looking forwards to more of your comments or may be an article.
Yes, Floyd is scared. Thats is why he had Pac lie about “being too weak” if he gave blood less than 24 days before a fight. Pac only lied because Pac wanted the fight and Mayweather didn’t. As for Mayweather refusing to fight the best at WW, that seems obvious, only Judah, ODLH, Hatton and Mosley were the opponents that had better odds than anyone else would have against him. Baldomir might have too, with his nine year winning stread and would have owned every WW belt if he had the money for the sanctioning fees. That leaves Marquez, my God, only five out of six opponents he faced had better odds than anyone else would have! What a freaking coward!
@ gmalt! as true boxing fan, i watch boxing since the late 60s Floyd Mayweather will never ever fight Paquiao, i will say it again and again those alibi’s are sign of fear…Mayweather Sr said to his son , stay away from this man (Paquiao) you will never beat this man..
The Pac Mosley fight sucks because it should have been Pac Marquz 3 or Pac Berto. All that writing was mostly lost in the enormous body of text. Your points were not solid or simply were off base.
@Coward take time to understand what I’m writing. What exactly do you think I’m saying that isn’t true
Secondly I’m only stating what my opinion is.
I wish to add, I could care less about PPV’s and how much any fighter makes. I work hard for my money and anyone who wants it must earn it like I did. I was a huge fan of Floyd at 130 and 135.
He was fearless and took on any challenge like Manny is now. But like Hector Camacho sr versus Edwin Rosarion, somewhere he lost his nerve. Or like Tyson he must have lost his desire and drive.
Somewhere, somehow he is no longer the warrior he was under 135. Sure he still talks brash but his fights went from very exciting to very safety first. He no longer took any chances after the fight with Castillo. I still think he has some of the best defensive skills ever but to prove this theory he must do it against the best offensive fighter.
Manny on the other hand just dropped in my eyes by signing to meet Mosley. I don’t want any more higher titles unless like Sugar Ray Robinson he lets the champ fight at whatever weight they want. I think Manny is great but to be accepted as great he must unify titles and clean out the welter class.
I do not expect he can please everybody especially since he wants to retire soon. So pick the toughest fights or retire. It is my money he wants. He is already 100,000 times richer than me so earn it or retire. I could care less if Floyd is ducking.
Bhop, Holyfield and Mosley all keep fighting and so does Roy Jones. They are all old. We expect them to retire or fight the best. Jones is destroying his legacy. Manny should fight the best not Mosley, or retire. When we all hit retirememnt age we must retire. We don’t try competing with young people and ask for rules to be changed to suit us. That’s my point.
MrExposed, Martinez is 154 but moved to 160. Manny is really 130 but fights at 147. It is not fair for Martinez fight Bhop Dawson or Pascal 175 nor for Manny to face Martinez at 160.
I don’t want Martinez vs them but there must be a ompromise if they did. At 175 Martinez is too small and too slow. At 160 they would be drained and weak. 167-168 is fair. I can’t see why you don’t get that or forget such matchups.
Manny the huge draw is risking his reputation and health by fighting bigger guys. Bigger punches can KO or seriously hurt him. He could outbox them for 11 rds and then get a one shot ko. That is the intrigue of such matches.
Fighters coming off losses? That is boxing. Are you saying fighter must be undefeated? They are pros! Like oldtimers, if they face the best they’ll can lose. Besides, all of the guys you named had fights before facing Manny and won them.
Recall that Clottey faced Cotto and lost a SD. If Cotto was shot why did Clottey not KO him? And Clottey lost a close decision to Margarito due to injury. Manny easily beat all 3 of them with talent & skill. What does it mean? That Manny had the guts to face welters who Floyd ducked for years. As a natural 130 lber and in under 2 yrs at 147 Manny already beat more big guys than Floyd.
The young guns at 140 and Marquez? Why should he face these small guys? You will say he is dragging them up for an edge but when he fights bigger guys he is draining them. Who has Berto beaten? If Manny faced him you would say that.
I hate the Mosley fight. It is cherry picking. He should face Marquez or Berto. Even Rob A-bum said Mosley was too old when he lost to Floyd and drew Mora. Now he wants us to believe he is Sugar Ray Robinson or Leonard? I won’t buy this garbage!
Marquez is willing to fight Manny at any weight & Manny would sign the contract for the trilogy right now… but the problem is the purse split, Marquez simply asking too much and Arum thinks Mosley is far more marketable than JMM
This is a very interesting article. I think it is seems quite balanced and fair rtaher than some of the highly opnionated and inflammatory stuff I see from some of the witers here.
I have followed boxers since 1960 and I’ve never seen boxers duck each other like this. In the old days there was only one title and e.g. Floyd Patterson had to face Liston or cease being heavyweight champ. Eventually, pride made him face his nemesis and he was ko-ed in 2 rds not once but twice.
To those who accuse one fighter of beating another fighter’s leftovers. Again in the old days when a guy refused to defend against another fighter for whatever reason, like Floyd is doing against Manny. The answer was to embarass him by facing guys he had beaten and destroying them. This is exactly waht Manny is attemmpting to do.
Look for the record I do not agree he should fight Mosley who clearly is shot. The better fight would be Marquez to close that trilogy although Manny should be up 2-0. JMM is the one who needs Manny not the other way around. Manny is now a star and a 147 fighter. If JMM wants piece of him he has to accept whatever weight like he did vs Floyd. This is clearly what Manny wants.
I also favour Berto at 147 and please Bhop and Afro-Americans think he can’t beat slick fighters. I am a huge Manny fan but he has faced the same type of come forward fighters and must show his diversity if he wants to go down as an alltime great.
Floyd needs to step up like Patterson and face his demon. We pay his bills and he must please us.
We also pay Manny’s bills and he must please us as he says. I understand Floyd may be ducking but if you are the opposite of him then clean up the best fighters. When he blows his big savings he will need you to define his legacy. At that time you will be jistified in retiring and staying retired. IMO it will haunt him to his grave.
@PacExposed
“Now who was the last fighter Pac fought coming off a HUGE WIN or a WINNING STREAK???”
So you want Manny just sits there & wait for someone who had a huge win?
It will satisfy you of course but what the boxing world? The business side? The fans of the sport?
Manny Pacquaio brought boxing back into the mainstream again by fighting those you’ve mentioned
@PacExposed
Tune-up fights are done in training stages and it’s called “Sparring” – from there you will get into shape, finalize everything before stepping into the ring!
@MbfromPhilly
I didn’t want to touch on the PED thing, but here goes. So Mayweather comes out of retirement to fight this no talent hack they are saying has taken his crown. He says hat he can beat him anytime anywhere.
The fight is ready to be signed, but he throws out random testing, because he wants to play on a level playing field? All this because they have a hunch that he’s on PEDs?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t we live in a democracy here? Aren’t people innocent intil proven guilty? If you’re going to demand this type of testing shouldn’t you lobby the commission and the people that control the sport, and not one individual?
If Mayweather and Golden Boy Promotions really wanted to clean up the sport shouldn’t they take it up with the Athletic commission and boxing’s governing bodies? Wouldn’t every fight involving a GBP fighter hace RBT’s?
Listen people can point to the $10,000,000 penalty for coming in over weight and say Floyd conceded to it, but the truth is he did come in over weight for the JMM fight. IF and a big IF Manny had tested positive or if there was proof and I mean hard evidence to support his claim, then yes all bets are off. Floyd Sr. spewing after Hatton got KTFO is not proof.
Hey and if Manny wasn’t here can you honestly tell me that Floyd would fight Berto, Bradley or Alexander?
Listen I respect your opinion, but the truth is if Floyd either took the fight or went away things would be a lot different. My point was if you’re going to question why Mosely then you have to consider what Floyd’s role in this whole thing is.
Without the Mega fight at this point in time this fight makes the most sense period. Maybe not the most competitive, but the most logical fight period.
@Phoocquiao
“All these guys still fought in the same style they always had before they fought Manny, so what’s your point?”
EXACTLY! that’s why I asked what indication that would show they’re already incompetent for another fight after their loss before facing Manny…
They keep saying “damaged goods” but what actually has been damaged to them?
@PacExposed
“RED, I said “WINNING STREAK”. Please don’t bring up a tune up fight before a HUGE Loss. Thats what they all were accept Clottey like you said.”
So many tune-up fights do they need before they fight Pacquaio? You’re making it sound like as if they had suffered a severe injury then went into rehabilitation that’s why they need a tune-up fight.
As Phoocquiao said, what’s your point?
Well, sorry I commented without reading. Nice article though.
@ Pac Exposed.
Okay. Styles do make fights. So what does a huge win or winning streak have to do with style? Nothing.
All these guys still fought in the same style they always had before they fought Manny, so what’s your point?
Oh yeah, you have none.
Berto, Bradley and Alexander have all publicly called *Pacquiao out; how did Mayweather influence *Pacquiao to avoid the talent at 140?? Is Mayweather a part of the think team that chooses Pac’s opponents?? All these glorified sparring sessions being promoted by Arum are Mayweather’s fault rite?? Like I said, The Top Rank effect.
If *Pacquiao would’ve agreed to the testing; this debate would’ve been over long ago. I don’t agree it’s the PBFE. I think it’s more like the Top Rank effect! Humorously; I was waiting to get to the point in this article where undoubtedly the writer…as does every Pacfan; would say *Pacquiao’s problems are Mayweather’s fault. Lol. The truth about these people is rapidly revealing itself. This might be the biggest scam professional boxing has ever seen considering the awards and accolades bestowed apon this potential steroid user. A sad state of being for this sport.
FOK Floyd
@big_bad_wolf
Wow speak English much? Dude I guess you know something that 80% of the boxing writers don’t.
I seriously doubt you even know who your dad is man!
Tell your boy to quit beating on women and mix it up with the guy he was supposed to when he came out of retirement.
@PacExposed…you’ve just been exposed by your ignorant mantra obviously showing your hatred against Pacquiao. If you think JMM beat PAC twice how in the world would he get a bigger advantage going up to LW from FW and KTFO David Diaz and then going up a notch at WW and TKO ODLH. Remember Pac came from FW to take on ODLH, a 2-1 favorite over Pac. It was ODLH who called Pac out. No matter what you think, Pac always comes in the ring as the smaller fighter against all the opponents you’ve mentioned.
money mayweather can do what he wants cus he is the champ and manny pac girl know it but i do want pac girl to take the test so mayweather can put him to sleep and shut everybody up
Pacexposed
So what are yo saying? Mosley and Pacquiao won’t be a good fight because of style?
The only reason Mosley looked bad was because it was a bad fight.
Please think before you speak.
Cotto is a come forward puncher and plays right into JMM’s strength.
Margo is the same way. JMM should eat them up right.
Reason JMM looked good against the plodding one handed version of Pac is because Pac never stopped and always came forward and JMM responded.
It was a great fight yes. Did JMM give him a tough time, yes. Did JMM win? NO!!!!!!
So move on. Manny did and whether you have a debate for it or not, no one thought he would beat Oscar, or Cotto for sure. Hatton was over hyped, but come on it wasn’t PBF’s 10 round stoppage that retired him. It was the devestating knock out in round two that did.
Look at it truly. Hatton was a champ at 140 his best weight class. Not at 147. Really think of when he got damaged, Watch both fights and tell me which one would damage a fighter more.
And don’t use my line.
@PacExposed
“Pac Fans, Please tell me who was the last fighter that Pac fought that was coming off a WINNING STREAK and Looked GREAT HIS LAST FIGHT?????????”
All of them came from a win except Clottey… Give me proof that Manny only fights fighters who just came from a loss!
And do these losses they’ve got in their career before fighting Manny show any indication to reason why Manny beat them?
Like broken arm or any injuries that would impair on the their next fight?
Okay so Cotto is damaged, then it should be an easy fight for JMM right.
If Pacquiao ducks him after that then you have something to say.
When talking about Pacquiao Floyd always comes up. The consensus Mega Fight is Pacquiao v. Mayweather and Marquez only comes up as an after thought.
All these washed up fighters, but I don’t see Berto or JMM wanting to fight them…..but I guess neither do the paying fans.
When you’re on top you’re a target. People will always hate the top dawg, but very few can do anything about it.
@Mayweather Senior
“Yes Juan hit the canvass a couple times but he also outboxed Pac the other 10 rounds to win the fight”
Really? did you watch the their? It was give & take that’s why it’s a close fight..
BTW, Marquez would have hit the canvas for the 5th time on their 2nd fight if he hadn’t grabbed the rope when Manny unleashed his left.
JMM is good, but not over 140. He isn’t a draw. If he was the Katsidis fight would have bigger. Listen if Manny fights Katsidis on a Tuesday it generates 700,000 buys.
JMM is a moot point. Mosley makes the most sense, and that’s just how it is.
@Mayweather Sr.
So why do they get paid? Because you think Manny lost to Juan?
JMM owes his p4p status to Pacquiao, without those fights than Marquez can’t lay claim to anything.
Here’s a solution let JMM fight Cotto, Margo, Clottey or Mosley and we’ll compare then. I’d like to see a Cotto Marquez fight. I’m sure they’ll draw maybe what 4,000 and maybe 100,000 PPV buys.
Manny’s king and haters can’t accept it.
This guy’s just trying to say that if Floyd didn’t come back it would be different including JMM’s status.
Yes Juan hit the canvass a couple times but he also outboxed Pac the other 10 rounds to win the fight but is was Bobs judges that favor Pacquiao! Oh and they are lining up to fight him to get paid big! DUH!! Shane is getting 5 Million dollars to become Pacs latest punching bag! The only way Pac fights anyone is if they dont look good anymore but still have a name. Or if they are coming off a brutal loss!
@Pacexposed
Really? Marquez ate canvas how many times? So was he damaged when Floyd fought him?
So why are they all lining up to fight him? Whether you agree with it or not Pacquiao beat Marquez just like PBF beat ODLH>
Quit hating and let the truth set you free!
great article but its sad to say this fight will never happen
I think Pac Man is the real deal.He who trains like champ fights like a champ period.
PBF-Evade is just what it is. He only fought twice since coming out of retirement while Pacquiao is going for his 8th. You can clearly see PBF evading top contenders when comparing the two. I won’t be surprise at all if PBF will come out and calls out Khan or even Bradley-Alexander winner after the official announcement of Pac-Mosley bout.
U’lol says:
December 25, 2010 at 3:24 pm
“Ptetty Boy” doesn’t look at all pretty in this picture. His looks seems to be the one ready for execution, bald, old and depressed. I pity this man..
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Anyones face will look like that after kissing Don King’s nuts. LOL!!!!
good article. People should stop waiting for this coward and move on.
good article, floyd has proven he is a coward, people should
stop waiting for this coward and move on.
It’s not called “The PBF Effect”…it’s called the DON KING EFFECT. Mayweather knows he doesn’t stand a chance against Pacquiao…so with Don King’s recomendation…Mayweather chose to USE the legal system for his personal benefit of ducking boxers that will give him a loss. Pacquiao and Martinez. If Mayweather doesn’t fight by May 2, 2011, Mayweather will be removed from the P4P rankings.
“Ptetty Boy” doesn’t look at all pretty in this picture. His looks seems to be the one ready for execution, bald, old and depressed. I pity this man..
Floyd will be back and boxing, but first he needs a tune up fight so line up all the WOMEN BOXERS so Floyd can chose his next opponent.. OH! I forgot he has one or two of those already after beating his baby mama down. Floyd is just following in his uncle’s footsteps..42-0 BABY!!!…..LOL!!!!
Floyd is actually Roger’s son, SR. just don’t know it yet. With all that crack going around in the house, who knows what happens there. Floyd Jr. is actually a crack baby, the effects are showing up now. LMAO!!!!!!!!!
The Pretty Boy Floyd effect no matter how you put is the Pretty Boy Floyd Cowardice that will go down in the history books boxing. And no amount of excuses will ever put him back to where he was before he first retired.
What I said is that PBFE is making people believe that Manny is on PED’s.
That’s what I’m trying to say is that regardless of the truth what Floyd says or does has a direct effect on what’s happening at least at the top of the boxing food chain.
What I’m trying to do is make people picture the boxing world without Floyd or the possibility of The Mega Fight.
Good article, but you say with confidence dat pacs on peds, for example, am not being rude but the way your sayin dat wivout proof that hes on peds, how do you know your mum and dad is ur mum and dad?? A mean did you see em do it?? Yess??? Nooo??? Exactly! But there still your parents!! In that case has anyone seen pacman take steroids?? Yess?? Nooo??? Exactly!! So how can you say hes on em?? Coz roger said?? Pfft please!!
good article