Freddie Roach announced his own P4P list; I announce mine
November 7th, 2009
By Liam Santiago: For what it’s worth Freddie Roach has announced his own personal pound for pound rankings. I also am about to announce mine. Surprise, surprise, guess who makes it into Roach’s list, Amir Khan. I have a lot of respect for Roach but thank God he has no say in any official rankings as his choice of ten is pretty crazy to put it lightly.
This is how the Roach top ten stand:
1.Manny Pacquiao
2.Floyd Mayweather
3.Juan Marquez
4.Edwin Valero
5.Arthur Abraham
6.Mikkel Kessler
7.Andre Ward
8.Shane Mosley
9.Israel Vasquez
10.Amir Khan
Crazy, I know. Firstly, I do not quite see how Valero made it to number four. He is a great puncher yes, but, he has beat no one of note. Mikkel Kessler should not even be seen as the best super middleweight. His best achievement was a defeat. Who has he beat? Answer me that. He is very basic and slow. Lastly, we all know why Amir Khan is their. Because Roach trains him and is trying to give him a little boost of confidence.
Here is my pound for pound list:
1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Bernard Hopkins
3.Manny Pacquiao
4.Miguel Cotto
5.Vitali Klitschko
6.Kelly Pavlik
7.Ricky Hatton
8.Shane Mosley
9.Timothy Bradley
10.Paul Williams
Many comments will follow this article asking why Ricky Hatton is in the mix. Well to save all the confusion, I will answer now. He lost against Pacquaio because he was not in any state to be fighting. He should have called off the fight. If you ask me, Mayweather Sr. acted the way he did prior to the fight because he feared Hatton eventually meeting his son Floyd Mayweather Jnr. He saw Pacquiao as an easier costumer, which is correct. If Hatton was to meet Pacquiao again, he would stop him, just like Miguel Cotto will do.
I still stand by my statement that if Cotto does not beat Pacquiao, I will quit my writing career. Trust me, put your mortgage on Cotto, he is going to stop the little Filipino. Just trust me.
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marvin hagler was the best fighter since ali wit tyson a close 3rd.hagler beat leonard most of america said the same.
Liam Santiago: “Trust me, put your mortgage on Cotto, he is going to stop the little Filipino. Just trust me.”
F*** YOU!!! I just lost my house!
Ohh looks like some1 guna resign on his writing career! lol
LIAM, YOUR P4P LIST IS A JOKE….JAJAJAJAJAJA!!!!
All Boxing fans and also Liam, listed is Pacquiao’s record. Six(6) official title belts, of course not counting the Oscar De la Hoya win and the Hatton destruction. If you still think he only deserve to be #2, I rest my case. Mayweather is a counter puncher and Paquiao is a Boxer/Puncher meaning Pacman is a more well-rounded boxer, and for me the more ammo you have the better the chance of winning.
Real Pound 4 Pound List:
1. Floyd ‘Money’ Mayweather
2. Manny ‘Pacman’ Pacquiao
3. Miguel Angle Cotto
4. David ‘Hayemaker’ Haye
5. ‘Sugar’ Shane Mosley
6. Bernard ‘Executioner’ Hopkins
7. Juan ‘Junaman’ Manuel Lopez
8. Carl ‘Cobra’ Froch
9. Amir Khan
10. Rendall ‘2Tone’ Munroe
P4P is Manny Pacquiao
Floyd should be at like 5th place in P4P ratings because he dodges risky fighters-though has a perfect record. That’s the only reason i even rank him anywhere in being P4P.
I like Liam’s list better but I have to admit that Hatton does not belong.
Roach has Parkinson’s disease…what’s your excuse?
How can u put floyd in 2nd place?..He is number 1 and will always be number uno…most of u guys r haters..and continue to hate while floyd is continue to make more money heheheh. Oh yeah and like I mentioned in my previous comments pacman will get knocked out like school girl. Thats the truth
FIGHTFANSINCE67 is hilarious, calling people kittens. Anyway besides that I will say it, just because Rocky Marciano was undefeated that doesn’t make him better than ALI.. And Floyd is no exception like ALI he has to fight against the best in the division and win. Right now Floyd is a welterweight and he has to clear that division, clean cut. He vacated his official rank when he retired. But he did beat Marquez, but Marquez isn’t the best. He was second best.
1.pacman 2.mayweather 3.jm marquez 4.s mosley 5.p williams 6.cotto 7. v klitsko 8.a abraham 9.i vasquez 10. calderon reasons pacman never a boring fight is not afraid to take chances has beat some great fighters mayweather is 2nd only becouse of his retirement marquez is 3rd becouse what he has achieved kinda like pacman the fight with mayweather really did nothing for placement porpuses mosley is 4 becouse he beat margarito who in turn beat cotto plus mosley has victories against a de la hoya when oscar was at his best the rest are self evedent and i recognise that ther places are interchagable cotto was 6 becouse of his loss to margarito.
your p4p list is nonsence, rouches p4p list is more acurate exept for kwan,kessler and ward. your hatton rational is more nonsence.
To Amor:
how can you say that you cant see cotto hit him at all if pac get hit in every fight, morales, barrera, marquez all this guys shake him a few times, So imagine what cotto will do cause cotto is 3 times better then those guys, Lol.
What a big mistake for Roach not to put cotto on that list, Cotto was gonna ended in 8 Now he will ended in 4. Just watch.
I hope boxingnews24 takes note of his (Santiago) statement regarding his dare to quit if Cotto does not defeat Pacquiao. He is staking not just his credibility and integrity here, he is putting boxingnews24 name on the line.
He still gives excuses on why Hatton got clobbered by Pacquiao. I just thought your writer MP is unique with regards to kind of writing style.
Just click the link below and see how popular Manny Pacquiao have become. You may not know it yet.
http://www.ringtv.com/blog/1282/pacquiaos_fame_continues_to_grow_as_he_readies_for_cotto/
actually, the word “announce” implies that someone is waiting to see it. that’s true in roach’s case. it’s not in yours.
I SEE MOST OF YOU CATS DON’T KNOW A DAMN THING ABOUT BOXING. ITS THE ART OF HITTING WITHOUT BEING HIT. IF ALL YOU GUYS WANT TO SEE ARE KNOCK OUTS WATCH MMA. AS FAR AS TOP TEN UNTIL SOMEONE BEATS FLOYD MAYWEATHER HE’S STILL THE BEST P4P. THEN IT GETS DICEY; YOU HAVE THE PAUL WILLIAMS’, COTTOS’, HOPKINS, PAVLIKS (WHOM NO ONE MENTIONS), ANS THE I’M BROKE I NEED THE MONEY MOSLEYS’, WHO DIDN’T WANT TO FIGHT FLOYD TIL HE NEEDED MONEY. PLZ PEOPLE STOP ACTING AS IF YOU KNOW BOXING, JUST BE THE FANSTATIC, FANATICAL FANS YOU ARE AND LEAVE THE INTELLECTUAL BOXING CONVERSATIONS TO THE REAL ” BOXING ” FANS.
i read your article coz i thought you knew boxing. well, this is going to be my last.
i’ll visit this site after nov. 14’s fight…
Hey Liam “Stupido” Santiago, you have to be man enough to honor your word and quit your post come Saturday night!
Your the best P4P idiot! no one can beat you @ any weight! Coz ur head is f@cking empty! Moron!
RA the rugged man is P4P not Mayweather.
It’s less than a week left but like all you urine drinking mexicans, you all are liars and fools. Say one thing but do another…Wonder why no one trust you all?
How the hell kessler in dat list,when he hasnt yet to defeat anyone with a name,and still unproven and the Legendary Bernard Hopkins is not in that list!!??
When pacquiao defeat cotto I’m expecting you will not write again even under any other names. I hope this site will adhere to the promise of this writer. For once in our life, we have to be honest to ourself when we promise something. Don’t be like Manuela Perez.
1. Manny Pacquaio (Floyd vacated it and Manny proved he deserved that position after destroying the light welterweight champ. And also beating the runner up for that division at the time. He’s also known for beating a number of hall of famers. Though questionable as past they’re prime or an unfair catchweight is up for debate.)
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr. (would’ve still had #1 if he didn’t retire but he chose that route. But he can recapture it,if he beats Manny Pacquaio. Since retiring he was officially off the rankings so therefore wasn’t ranked. Upon his return he beat the #2 on the list at the time. Therefore, takes that position formally occupied by Marquez.)
3. Miguel Cotto (Near perfect record on most of the top welterweights except a questionable loss to Margarito, who was suspended on illegal wraps after the Mosley fight, has proven a win over Mosley and Clottey and showing he had heart in the Margarito fight, definitely puts his name in the contenders list as p4p.)
4. Shane Mosley (he has had exceptional early career having beat some of the best in or near their prime but since this list is updated. The recent fights of his career shows he was never afraid to face any of the welterweights and he proved he still can compete with the top and with a revived career, his status can be re-evaluated. Slugging out at the bottom with ok-to-good fighters to climb back up the rank and losing to Cotto. Unleashed a new Mosley the one everyone seen obliterate Margarito. Margarito was the one who also pushed Cotto to the brink and was forced to take a knee down indefinitely.)
I would like to say the rest. Too much info conflicts where exactly I would rank them. Not being in no particular order, a few names that belong on this list would be Bernard Hopkins, Paul Williams, Klitchko brothers (since they won’t fight each other they can share the same spot if one wins they both win and one loses they both lose). Nothing against some of the undefeated fighters out there but unlike Floyd Jr. who is undefeated you should be ranked by the most talented fighters you beat. Yeah Floyd ducked some talent but I gave him #2 because he did beat the #2 on the list at the time. Regardless if he took advantage of a smaller man that was also the choice of Marquez’s managment team to go through with the fight even if Floyd was over the weight limit. They Ok’ed it!
No way Mayweather at No.1. He couldn’t KO Marquez even with a four (4 Lbs) pound weight advantage. How in heavens name could he be considered as world No.1 in P4P…?
to anon.com, i bet that 90 percent of the writers and fans on this website agree that mosley is beter p4p than cotto. just ask around u fool. and kahn is a great technical fighter fact with one of the fastest hands in boxing fact
1:tom glover
2:tyson fury
3:graham earl
4:floyd mayweather
5:manny pacquaio
Liam Santiago get a f_ _ king life.
Fact of the matter is, you have not been in the ring in your entire life, and the the only fight you’ve been is when your neighbor kick you in the a_ _ , excuse me, kick you in the rear. Is that right?
Your top ten list is “convoluted”.
I know you don’t have a brain, but putting that aside, you are so funny you give Freddy Kruegger a nightmare.I’m glad you don’t own a cute “ASO”.
are you joe santiago’s boyfriend? pacquiao by UD. pacman is just to quick for cotto. remember guys POWER is only GOOD when landed. I just don’t see cotto being able to hit the pac cleanly in this fight. is it a 20 x 20 ring? that’s just a lot of space for a small & apeedy guy. as far as p4p list goes, I REALLY DON’T CARE. it just something media people use when there’s not a lot going on in boxing.
floyd is a FRAUd champion, unless he’ll fight and beat best boxers in his size ( mosely, margarito, cotto and clotty). this guy is extremely envy of what manny pacquiao has achieved in the sport of boxing.
Perhaps you should quit writing now since you dont know anything about boxing dude. Your analysis is what you feel and not what is going on now. Shame..
Hey! Give Liam s break. This is his column. He can write what ever he likes. You’ll have your chance later if you submit your resume to the editor ASAP, coz Liam is not going to stay very long. That’s for sure. He’s going back to his old career. That’s writing opinions about some high school cheering squad.
liam, your list is very strange.
paul williams is below, hatton(are you kidding?)
pavlik(again, are you kidding?). you even have mosely below hatton for gods sake!!!
i could pick holes in your list all day. clueless
1.MANNY PACQUIAO
2.MANNY PACQUIAO
3.MANNY PACQUIAO
4.MANNY PACQUIAO
5.MANNY PACQUIAO
6.MANNY PACQUIAO
7.MANNY PACQUIAO
8.MANNY PACQUIAO
9.MANNY PACQUIAO
10.MANNY PACQUIAO
Hatton deserve’s to be in ‘the top 10 most devestating KO’s of the decade’list not P4P list…
HOW CAN HATTON BE P4P BETTER THAN MOSELEY, THIS SHOW’S ME YOU ARE EITHER 16 YEARS OLD OR YOUR RAY HATTON??
MY POUND FOR POUND WOULD LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THIS
MAYWEATHER
PACMAN
MOSELY
COTTO ( HE WILL BEAT PACMAN,REMEMBER I SAID IT )
WILLIAMS
BHOP
VITALI
HAYE
…
…
…
This list is an opinion but yet it cant be argued these people deserve to be there or there abouts..
Funny Mr G! Liam please stop writing this drivell, you’re being made a fool of.
Hatton would stop Pacman If the met & Mayweather fears Hatton??? Dude you need your head examined.
Both your list and Roach’s don’t make sense.
1. andre dirrell
2. andrea ward
3. jermain taylor
4. floyd mayweather
5. bernard hopkins
6. tommy morrison
7. shannon briggs
8. chad dawson
9. abdre ward
10. andre durrell
READ THE TRUTH america is best
im british and a hatton fan but did you realise you pur ricky before shane????
super joe made a fool of bernard fact.
yeah i agree with every1 about hatton but why is hopkins and mosley in the list, what have they done lately?
if hopkins is in the list now then it shows how good calzaghe was!
Liam,Liam,Liam, be careful on what you wish for,that’s a pretty tough wish for your writing career…but no offend to you,,,,I think it time to buy small and large boxes for your writing stuff and start wrapping em up NOW!!!!”I mean,,,you know”?… because on the 6th round, you will get angry to M.Cotto
lol Ricky Hatton lol funny
to stephena a dont underestimate the facts cotto beat mosley fact hence why i would put cotto b4 mosley i hope thats cleared that up as for amir kahn you must have been extremely drunk at the time you put him in your top 10 list hes only just started fighting decent oponents i no we all have diffrent opinions but its like me sayin audley harrison rank 5 lol stick to facts and you cant go far wrong or you will end up writing like l/s
#58 Alexander
6: Vic Darchinyan???
is that the guy who did the chicken dance against nonito donaire jr? i think you missed the one who should really be on that list.
Really, Pavlik….Really!?
#32 THEFAN
now this is another ridiculously hilarious list from a puerto rican bum haha..
pathetic cotto beating pac? lmao ur writing career has 1 week left
1.juan manuel marquez
2.mayweather
3.pacquiao
4.cotto
5.mosley
6.hopkins
7.paul williams
8.andre dirrell
9.chad dawson
10.Vladimir Klitchcko
11.(tie) Alfredo Angulo – Antonio Margarito
You brainless mammals, here’s how p4p follows:
1: Arthur Abraham
2: Floyd Mayweather
3: Manny Paquiao
4: Paul Williams
5: Shane Mosley
6: Vic Darchinyan
7: Juan Manuel Marquez
and the rest unimportantly I’ll leave ‘em up to your pyramid heads to choose.
bye bye Liam ,you probably be back under a new name but as the excuses come out we know.manny going to ko cotto,or a tko. he listen to people like you that said manny has never frighten a real welter weight. so no extra training, wrong wrong……bye….
“pacquiao & mayweather vs santiago & perez
thats what i like to see…haha”
cotto’s sparring partners vs santiago and perez
bums vs bums
When I saw you rank Ricky Hatton at number seven, I half-expected to see Uwe Boll at number ten. Thank God he’s not.
Hopkins should not be on the list as he is inactive for a year now.
LOL. Lame este Liam is Hatton lover, so it is understandable he is still making Hatton in top10. He is also a certified Pac hater so even though Mayweather is not that convincing enough to recapture the P4P#1, Liam still put him on top.
Unless Floyd will defeat a top figther of his own size (not that pee drinkinng bloated featherweight), he won’t get that top on the list.
your list is just as retarded
Ricky Hatton?????
Timothy Bradley??????
Kelly Pavlik?????
I’m just glad that after Nov 14, we won’t be hearing from this dumb writer anymore.
i like pacquiao speed, and mayweather defence…
what i dont like is this two writers
liam santiago
manuel perez
pacquiao & mayweather vs santiago & perez
thats what i like to see…haha
Liam Santiago won’t quit writing if Pacman wins. That’s BS!….
He’ll just use a pseudonym like Iman I. Diot or something.
Hey guys make a list, top 10 p4p fighters
of all time!
id have BHop in at 11 or 12 he is a legend no doubt
BHop deserves to be ranked in the top 3 for sure.
Look at his longevity and the fact that he only wants to fight the best in any division he seeks to “conquire!”
Like him or hate him no one can deny BHop is not only a P4P top fighter but a all time great as well!
and for me amir is as good if not better than maidana so why not up there?
well, i think u should start considering another career asap.
u know? just in case.
Poor Roach. Hei Liam, Roach has Parkinson desease and that affect his brain. He is a stupid man. Your list of P4P is more real. He did not introduce Miguel Cotto in his list. wow and Amir Khan is in his list! Wow. What a idiot.
Liam you are a crap writer and i can’t believe this site actually let you write about boxing. who ever is incharge of this site seriously need to review it
your a fool liam , just like manuela , if pacman wins you will just change your name in writing . thats how fool you are !!!!!!
to anonymous. im right again man. mosley battered margarito and cotto got an awful kicking from margarito. never underestimate me no name!
r u s2pid LIAM?
Hie Liam, you are stupid. I agree Miguel has an excellent chance and most are overlooking him. But please don’t overlook Manny. He is a tough tough kid. You will probably lose your house and end your writing career, which is good because you can’t spell!!!
if manny wins, you can write again with another name…
ring mag 1pacman 2mayweather 3mosley 4hopkins 5jm.marquez 6donaire 7cotto 8caballero 9vazquez 10r.maquez
1.MIGUEL COTTO
2.MANNY PACQUIAO
3.FLOYD MAYWEATHER
4.SHANE MOSLEY
5.PAUL WILLIAMS
6.JUANMA LOPEZ
7.OSCAR DE LA HOYA
8.ANDRE BERTO
9.BERNARD HOPKINS
10.VITALI KLITCHKO
hatton and pavlik should never be in it!
If Cotto isnt in Roach’s top ten, then whys P4P#1 boxing him?
Mayweather should not even make the Top 10. He looks so good in the ring because he never fought a good boxer. How can he be P4P King when he did not face the good welterweights before he retired? And he still do not face a single decent welterweight.
Im sure Cotto is going to make the Catchweight 145 but come night of the fight, he will be well over even 147. So I don’t see a major difference for Cotto. 2 lbs. isn’t much. Not like Marquez going from 130lbs. to 147. Thats a major difference. I don’t see a major advantage or disadvantage. Cotto should still have the size over Pacquiao. On the other hand Pacquiao has a very hard time making the weight up higher because his body won’t allow to keep on weight for very long. Its been noted before he as to eat more to keep on the weight.
Wow, I’m not even a Pacquiao fan but even I couldn’t help but laughing at what was said. I guess we won’t be seeing anymore articles from Santiago after next Saturday.
Side note: if Pacquiao is such a hero, why didn’t he have the balls to fight Cotto at 147? Or to fight a legit lightweight instead of David Diaz? Or to fight an OLD Mosley who agreed to drain himself to make the low 140s AND put the title on the line???
I don’t like Pacquiao, but Cotto will lose next Saturday. The only possible way he can win is to knock Pacquiao out or completely dominate him for 12 rounds (neither of those will happen, as Cotto will be underweight, not to mention that he looked very weathered in his last fight). All Pacquiao has to do is avoid being totally dominated or knocked out (i.e. take the Mayweather approach).
liam is a stupid pacquiao hater and a hatton nuthugger. here’s my list:
1st pacquiao
2nd hopkins
3rd mosley
4th paul williams
5th mayweather
6th cotto
7th marquez
…
5,680,219,123rd liam santiago
5,724,386,666th manuel perez
manuel perez is challenging you for your ranking, will you fight him? i see a double knockout since you two are dumb idiots.
to stephenA how do you get mosley in 3 and cotto 5 when he beat mosley and amir kahn rank 7 come on now mate its not rocket science
theres only one ricky hatton
One more thing, there is no excuse in a professional world that you cannot get your job done unless you have Doctor’s excuse so unless anyone is a medical doctor. Nobody can say somebody wasn’t ready. Even the officials wouldn’t put a “?” mark if someone wasn’t ready or not! It comes in as win or loss, either by decision or KO! And KO is the undisputed champ not the decision. How can people allow someone else make the judgement, let they’re face kiss the canvas. Thats true undisputed. But yes a win is a win. Even if you have to go back in there and do again a couple of times to get the KO, then truely you will be undisputed.
This site is one of very very few sites that would rank Mayweather Jr. as 1#. But hey thats why they fans argue until the real fight happens. Ring Magazine and Secondsout has the title holder 1# p4p which is Pacquiao. You can look up on wikipedia. Yahoo sports, fightnews, and doghouseboxing also has Pacquiao at 1# p4p with Floyd at 2. The reason why. Because Marquez never beat Pac, he was floored 4 times. He lost a decision to Pacquiao in the second fight because of it. Pacquiao never went down. Floyd floored Marquez once and tried to KO him and couldn’t. So in reality even though Floyd won it, it wasn’t a KO so it didn’t impress the majority as a superior fight. And also Marquez was a #2 so if you beat a #2 then that makes you #2…
Oh YEA COME ON HAYE!
no way liam. it should be 1 floyd
2 manny
3 mosley
4 vitali
5 cotto
6 maidana
7 amir khan
8 haye
9 marquez
10 wladimir
Liam i am a hatton fan through and through, but to put him in the p4p is wrong, you have just shown us all how awful you are as a boxing writer, i am quite new to the sport and already i feel i am more qualified to write an article than you are, didnt think i would say this but come on pacquia!
How can Ward possibly be in any p4p lists? Maybe in the future, but now? heck no. He’s not even #1 in SMW.. Over him is still Kessler, Abraham, Froch and Bute.
hopkins in 2nd !! maybe be in a back chat compition ha
I would put Hatton First on my list!
Liam is right. Hatton was in no state whatsoever to fight that night and he should have called off the fight. We all have that one day when we cannot do a dam thing right, and that is what happened to Hatton that night. Would you take Sugar Ray Leonard off the list for his miserable defeat in has last fight?
Hatton should stay on the list. Vitali Klitscho now deserves the number one ranking and has earned his place with the great heavies. Bernard Hopkins has also earned a top spot. But Hatton deserves to stay on the list as he won 45 out of 47 and chose to fight the best at all times.
Amir Con does not belong in the p4p list.
liam i’m a hatton fan and its embarrasing for u to put him on your list
ha-ha-ha. what a joke
How can this biased guy called Liam allowed to write on here. Theres people with real knowledge that can have something more constructive to say take hes place. Boxingnews24 need to get rid of u
SEND LIAM HES PUT P45.
Stop making pathetic excuses for Hatton, both Mayweather and Pacquio can literally do as they please with Hatton when fighting him, meaning he would need a gun to beat either of them. And by the way how an earth can u put hatton before Shane Mosely I agree with the previous comment call it day and quit writing now your not very good.
Liam i’d rather have Freddie doing the pound for pound list than you, puttin hatton before Shane Mosely shows your knowlege is DIABOLICOL. You should quit now mate.
freddie JUST announced this list? i read about this three months ago
It’s all depends on the beer-holder, in this case. Everyone should has own ranking
To be honest apart from Mayweather and Pacman, you can sort all the rest in the list randomly
How does Andre Ward get in the top ten, he hasn’t beat anybody yet. If he wins the super six then yes, but right now no.
How can you put ward in there yet? He is unproven wait until the kessler fight. What about nonito donnaire much more deserving than ward. And hopkins you can’t leave him out?
THATS GOTTA BE THE DUMBEST TOP TEN LIST EVER SANTIAGO.U ABSOLUTLEY MAKE NO SENSE.MAYWEATHER RETIRED LEAVIN THE PACMAN AS NUMBER ONE AND NOW THAT HES BACK AND BEAT A MUCH SMALLER MARQUEZ HES 2.AND TO PUT RICKY AT NUMBER 7 IS OUTRAGOUS.HE SHOULD BE RANKED IN THE TEENS.HE SHOULD NOT BE AHEAD OF MOSLEY OR WILLIAMS.HERE IS MY TOP TEN
1.MANNY PACQUAIO
2.FLOYD MAYWEATHER
3.MIGUEL COTTO
4.SHANE MOSLEY
5.ARTHUR ABRAHAM
6.ANDRE WARD
7.ISRAEL VASQUEZ
8.PAUL WILLIAMS
9.JUAN MARQUEZ
10.VITALI KLITCHKO
ricky hatton should b on the bum4bum list
your so delusional Liam, you can’t just put Hatton in your p4p list on some lame excuse, don’t get me wrong i am a Hatton fan but there is no way he should be in anyones p4p list. Everyone else on your list i agree should be there though