Cotto vs. Pacquiao In Jeopardy? – News
July 31st, 2009
By Eric Torres: As reported by some media outlets, the proposed mega fight between Miguel Cotto & Manny Pacquiao On November 14th might not go forward. The reason is simple, but not so simple. Manny Pacquiao is now demanding that the fight be for Miguel Cotto’s Welterweight title. Manny Pacquiao is on the verge of being the first seven time world champion in seven weight divisions and the prospect of that clearly has Freddie Roach wanting the fight for Cotto’s Title.
My question is why all of a sudden is this coming out, especially after the fight had been announced? Surely, Manny Pacquiao’s camp was fully aware of the title not being up for stake when the fight was announced, Bob Arum has been stating this all along, or is Manny starting to reconsider the fight altogether with Cotto, who at 145 will be only one pound lighter than the 146 he weighed in at for the Clottey fight?
Is the stance by Cotto a relevant one as well? Should a challenger such as Manny Pacquiao (who IS the challenger in this case) be dictating the terms without any challenge from the actual champion, in this case Miguel Cotto?
Cotto, in my OPINION, has swallowed his pride and has taken a lot of abuse the last few weeks since this fight has been announced . He has taken abuse from Pacquiao’s fans and from Manny’s camp as well. He has not been given the respect by the boxing community and has been seen as the weakest opponent for Manny to fight, hence the reason Pacquiao did not jump on Shane Mosley’s proposition to give into Pacquiao’s terms.
It seems Cotto is finally getting aggravated by all of this and putting his foot down. Miguel has settled on the demands of coming down weight to 145, Cotto has given in on the purse of the fight, which from all accounts will be a 65-35 split for Pacquiao. Miguel has given in on the location of the fight which will take place At the MGM Grand in Vegas. I know what some of you are going to say ” Manny is the Pound for pound king, he should call all the shots” But I disagree. That is a STATUS given to a fighter by the fans and boxing experts, NOT AN OFFICIAL BELT. Miguel Cotto holds a Belt and is the reigning WBO champion in the welterweight division, which the last time I checked is at 147 pounds nothing more.
It would be a hypocrisy for the World Boxing Organization to strip Cotto of his belt( which has been the buzz), when Cotto has a legitimate right to state, that if you want to challenge the champion of a specific weight for his belt, you fight him at that weight. If Cotto wanted to fight Manny for his junior Welterweight title I am sure that Manny would say the same thing. Its common sense folks. If Manny wants the fight for Cotto’s belt, then it should be at Cotto’s 147 that is where the belt resides not at 145, which is fair and only right especially if the roles where in reverse.
I am a huge Manny Pacquiao fan quite possibly one of the biggest, but I am a huge fan of boxing which supersedes any fighter. I am starting to think that Freddie Roach and Pacquiao are starting to realize that they might have bitten off more than they can chew. Just a day before this title situation, in which Pacquiao has created, Miguel Cotto recently sent a stern message to Freddie Roach after Freddie had some bold prediction about the outcome of there proposed showdown.
I quote, “Hey Roach, I have some news. I am not Oscar De La Hoya at the end of his career. I am not the overrated Ricky Hatton. Roach knows what he will be facing on November 14th, it will be a war.” Have these words finally sunken into the heads of everyone in Pacquiao’s camp? They know that Miguel Cotto will not budge on this title situation and are NOW saying that without the belt they do not need Cotto. Is this their way out of the fight? Who knows, but the timing of all of this in relation to Cotto’s stern warning have to make you think.
Life is about challenging yourself and others when you are a fighter not taking a short cut to glory. I have to say that in THIS case Manny is trying to take a short cut to glory. He wants the rewards of a belt that is in a higher weight division, without actually allowing the champion to fight at that weight. I would hope that this is not just a ploy to get out of this fight with Cotto because I admire Manny Pacquiao’s body of work.
It would be a shame as well for Cotto to be forced to do something that makes complete sense on his part as well. I have a solution to all of this, Manny if you want to make history and win Cotto’s belt then do it the right way, allow Miguel Cotto to fight without a catch weight and then you would have earned a title the right way.
Cotto has given into all of your demands( and he is the champion), now it is up to you to look into yourself and think long and hard whether you are going to fight your own battle or whether you’re going to have your lawyers or the WBO fight your battle for you. Fans of boxing, Cotto is not fighting Pacquiao for his junior welterweight title he has been there done that, it is the other way around. Manny Pacquiao is fighting for Miguel Cotto’s Belt!
In closing boxing fans. If this fight is canceled then it leaves me with this sad conclusion. Someone that I love as a fighter ( Manny Pacquiao) is nothing more than a bully outside the ring in his negotiating tactics and when FINALLY faced with tough opposition, not only inside the ring, but now outside from Cotto he wants to threaten the fight from moving forward, It seems a little too familiar to why he has not fought Juan Manuel Marquez again. That is a cowardly act that threatens us boxing fans the opportunity to see what can be one of the greatest clashes we have ever seen.
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I think it’s time for the fighters to try and meet the weights intended! Everyone is now picking their fighters, weights, and that’s causing kaos in the sport. Cotto has all the right to set the standards in order to remain with “his” belt, the fight must go on!!!! Pulling out would mean many things, and one may seem as “a chickening out move”. Both fighters are favorits of mine to say the least. Oxnard, CA
Do you realize COTTO won his WBO title at 146 against jennings in a vacant title match. Which was a gift to COTTO. Remember he just lost to Margarito,so how the hell did he get a title match after losin his title. Then he puts his title on the line against clotty at 146. This fight in my eye could have went either way. Now he takes on Pacquiao and we have a weight issue and why…1pound? Are u serious! 145 is a great fair weight because of how many pounds Cotto puts back on after the weigh-in. In other words this should be a title match.
cotto didn’t earn his title. he beat a bum of his choice to get a vacant wbo belt. that was a gift not a fight that he earned to be champ. if he doesn’t put his title on the line and lose. his title wont mean squat.
I have a sick feeling that this fight will not happen!
Indeed it is a great article! It is sad to read a lot of stupids comments from crazy fans but the truth is that this is an even fight for me. Manny has the speed to beat cotto and cotto has the power a weigth to beat manny. I don know how much the loaded gloves of maragrito afected cotto but he took a nasty beating. Last fight he showed a lot of heart fighting a great boxer with a open wound afecting his vission since round 3. On the other hand manny is coming from two great victories from Oscar and Hatton. One thing am sure is that Cotto is very diferent opposition from those two guys. Manny has the Better Team with Roach on his side plus the speed. Cottos Team Suck but he is a great fighting Machine.
So the Bottom Line is this Fight is an Exellent “Flip a Coin” and pray for your boxer!!!!!!!!
IMO this fight is what it is. Its a big money fight that is going to take place title or no title. Greedy Bob Arum is going to do what ever he can to make sure that this fight happens. He has both fighters under contract and will do his best to cash in on this fight. A lot of what is being said is simply a part of hyping the fight. I also think that its going to be a damn good fight.
What would Pac do even if he wins the WBO WW title?It’s not like Manny will defend the belt if he wins it.
Prob because Manny realy wants out of boxing,Manny has been talking about getting into politics for some time now.Looks like Pac just wants to look better on paper that he has won seven titles.
I bet if Cotto put the belt on the line and Manny won it he would then retire from the sport and you know what,thats prob the reason we will never see Manny/Mayweather or Marquez pt3.
There is knowhere in the rules that state that Cotto has to put up his WBO WW title at a catch weight.It has to be agreed on from both sides.
Look,you cant blame Cotto here,he won the title at 147lb limit and he feels if he were to lose it he would rather lose it at the same weight he won it.
guys u should understand why pac wants the belt. cos if he beats cotto for nothing he knows there is no welter weight champion out there (mosley, floyd, berto) he can really beat. so this is his only chance to grab the belt and make the record books
Cotto NEEDS Pacman, not the other way around.
Remember this, there are a lot of Welterweight champions out there, a lot of them are no-names. Hell, if Manny wants a 7th title, he can just pick one of the least skilled Welterweight champions and he’ll have a very easy title belt, hence, making history.
But no, he wants Cotto. Arguably, the best of the best in Welterweight. Pac even said he’ll pay the freakin’ sanction fee that Cotto doesn’t want to pay. C’mon! Now, Cotto is playing hard-to-get! Jeez Looweez!
Man up, Miguel! You want to be the greatest among the greatest? Be a man, and put your title on the line! Or are you seriously doubting that you have a chance to win?
Cotto NEEDS Pacman, not the other way around.
Why are they fighting at 145 if there is no belt on the line? My first impression was Manny was compromising and giving a little more than might have been expected (143 was the weight being floated previously) for the opportunity to fight for the title. Without the title at stake, Cotto should be grateful to Pacquiao for agreeing to fight him even if the weight was at 140.
If the title is not at stake Manny should walk. With this stunt Cotto is treating Pacquiao like a chump. Mayweather, Mosley, or Marquez would make for better fights.
Welterweight is 147 lbs Maximum.. the essence is you can fight from 141 to 147.. you can fight at 145 at welterweight.. that is if you weigh in at 145.. but if your opponent weighs in at 147.. then you still fight.. that is welterweight.. if you force 145 catchweight.. then that is 145 “division”.. because you changed the weight maximum limit.. fight at 147 for the belt.. or fight at 145 but non-title..
I am so sick & tired of all the Manny fans stating how scared Cotto is of facing Manny. It is absurd to think that Cotto who has faced fighters that Floyd Mayweather JR. himself refuses to fight against is afriad of Pacquiao. Cotto has faced some of the most avoided fighters in his weight class such as Mosley, Margirito & clottey whom are huge fighters compared to Manny, so it is ridiculous for all you manny fans to say Cotto is afraid of Manny or losing his belt. If this was the case he would do what Mayweather does. COTTO IS STANDING HIS GROUND ON PRINCIPLE! IF MANNY WANTS THE BELT THEN HE HAS TO EARN IT. HE WANTS WHAT COTTO HAS REMEMBER THAT, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. WHY IS IT SO HARD TO GET THAT ACROSS? IF COTTO WANTED MANNYS BELT HE WOULD HAVE TO COME DOWN, HENCE WHY MANNY THE CHALLENGER NEEDS TO COME UP. IT IS SIMPLE NONE OF THIS CATCH WEIGHT SHIT. COTTO IS A WARRIOR & IS FAR FROM AFRAID OF LOSING HIS BELT OR FOR THAT MATTER FIGHTING PACQUIAO. PACQUIAO FANS TAKE A STEP BACK & REALIZE THAT YOUR BOY IS TRYING TO STACK THE CARDS IN HIS FAVOR, WHICH IS NOT EXACTYL THE WAY TO MAKE HISTORY THE CORRECT WAY.
I think this fight is not so much about Roach being scared of Manny Losing to Cotto but himself Losing to a Rookie trainer in Cotto’s corner!
I have no idea what the contract stated but if it said only 145, it is still a welter title fight and the WBO has the right to enforce it. But what happens if Manny wins? Will he demand that anyone who challenges him cannot exceed 145? I think he and Roach should stop the crap and fight.
It will be a superhuman feat if he wins and no shame if he loses. At least he has always taken the very toughest fights and not calling out smaller guys like one other self made brilliant man. If he is self made, he forgot to add balls.
Manny, as one of your biggest fans, I implore you to step up and make history.
The original Sugar Ray (Robinson) stepped up to challenge for the Lheavy Title and lost. People knew he fought way under the 175 weight and was way ahead in the fight but he lost. The heat from the TV lights etc was so intense that the referee collapsed and Sugar did later too. It didn’t hurt his leagacy and neither will a loss here. You have balls and are exciting. You can’t hurt your already established legend!
Just because the writer doesn’t agreed with everyone’s point of view doesn’t mean he’s a hater or bias, “is an opinion” Everyone is forgetting that this fight is for “BOXING HISTORY” if the fight takes place in the 147lbs division and pacman wins the tittle” so to make history he needs to follow the rules and “MAKING HISTORY”within the rules! NOW he wants to rewrite his own rules and win a tittle outside the weight division, how is that possible, If he want to be the 147lb champion whether is Cotto,Mosley or whoever he needs to fight them at the Champion’s terms! A FIGHT FOR THE TITTLE WILL MAKE PACMAN THE CHALLENGER AGAINST ANY CHAMP IN THE DIVISION so he can’t be calling the shots, Cotto agreed to all the terms he placed base on the fight being in the catch weight of 145lb which makes pacquiao the rightful owner of the terms of the fight 2 lbs up gives Cotto the right of the terms!
Yup! womanizer is an Idiot!
People wake up… Let Cotto fight at 147 for his title, Manny dont need to make this weight to challenge, he can fight at 145 if he wants and get knock out by a welter on his prime. If he wants to make history in 7 divisions, fight on the division. Stop your excuses, 147 for title or 145 his advantage. Good move Cotto.
Whats the point for manny to move up in weight classes if he wasn’t planning on fighting cotto and other fighters for their division belts anyway.I thought this was a done deal,why did they agree to fight without discussing cottos title first.If he beats Cotto he would want to say he beat him for the title.
Im going to end up falling out with pacquaio over this. Does he also want to dictate what colour shorts cotto wears on fight night? or what cotto is allowed to have for lunch befoe the fight? What else does Pacquiao want for christ sake its getting beyond a joke.
For all the idiots above…You CAN fight for the welterweight title weighing at 145 if u so wish. You CANNOT however fight for the welterweght title on the basis that nobody exceeds 145.
Cotto is 100% correct on this. If pacman wants the belt involved then they do it at 147. If pacquiao is so insistant on all this then WHY did he not fight shane mosley then who was prepared to accept all this crap and put HIS belt on the line. Cotto should tell pacquiao and roach to grow a pair or piss off
Good points and great article, The Key question is “If Cotto was challenging Pacquiao for his 140lb Tittle would have Pacman’s team agreed to fight him at 145Lb?”
So why if Cotto’s tittle is a 147lb belt why should he agree to fight anywhere outside the weight division for his tittle?
If many is so confidence he will KO Cotto and take his tittle away let Cotto coming in at 147lb and he can come in at 145lb lol…when he fought De La Hoya he still came under 147lb and beat him what’s the problem now?
The Problem is Cotto isn’t De La Hoya and his camp smells defeat!
to all manny fans…if you have nothing intelligent to say then f**k off!!!
cotto is champ, why should he give in to pac? makes no sense.
there are too many weight classes already without this pussy trying to create more.
if cotto gives in again then what next? team pac will prob demand that he fights with one hand tied behind his back.
if pacman want his 7th title at differing weightclass then he should man-up and stop being such a bitch about it.
the hardman has spoken!
NOYPEE – The only reason your’e screaming for Pac to fight Mosley now. Is………and I HATE TO SAY THIS as I like Mosley, but he’s now desperate for a big fight and DUMB ENOUGH to give Pac what he wants! If Pac went near a prime weight Mosley he’d get his ass kicked! So fine Pac should fight Mosley at 143/145lbs for his title and effectively scam his way to a 7th World title……BULLSHIT!
I LOVE COTTO VERY MUCH BECAUSE I HATE PACQUIAO SO MUCH. I CAN’T ACCEPT THAT MOST BOXING WRITERS AND MOST BOXING SITES CONSIDER PACQUIAO THE P4P TITLIST. OUR SITE IS NOW DEDICATED TO DEGRADE PACMAN AND BELITTLE HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS. IT IS NO LONGER ABOUT BOXING BUT ABOUT HOW WE HATE PACMAN. WE ARE VERY HAPPY BECAUSE ASIDE FROM HATING PACMAN, WE GOT A LOT OF VISITS FROM PACMAN FANS, AND THAT IS GOOD NEWS FROM OUR SPONSORS. I JUST HOPE THEY DONT BOYCOTT BOXINGNEWS24.COM AND BOYCOTT THE PRODUCTS OF OUR SPONSORS. WE LIVE TO HATE PACMAN.
Well I think everyone will agree Manny Pacquaio is a great fighter and deserves all the respect for seeking and fighting the best fighters BUT…..
If he wants to fight for the WBO welterweight title he should fight at the legitimate weight which commonly is agreed to be 147.
Although he fought one of the greatest boxers in any generation in Oscar De La Hoya he was nothing but a shell by making him shed down to the weight, if this happens to Cotto what has Pacman achieved by beating a man who can’t make the weight safely and can be competitive?
If he wants Cotto and his belt he should fight him at his Division and weight. If not he should fight the other fighters at light-welterweight and stop making Welterweights drain down and be weakened.
Sal
Have the fight at 147lbs in Canada where the weigh-in is on the day of the fight!
pacman wants to stop bringing fighters down in weight and demanding things. I know he is p4p king but cotto is the 147 champ so if pacman wants to get his hands on the title then put on the extra weight on .he still gona be alot faster than cotto ne way.
Pacman is the man,Simple as that.Boxers want to be him,the media want to cover him and fans want to watch him.He is simply the man.
Good riddance! The sooner this fight is scraped, the better. Let Cotto cleave to his belt, let him have it–for life. Pacfans are no longer interested. We’d rather see Pacquiao-Mosley fight.
After all, Mosley is the real man to beat. Mosley KOed this Puerto Rican’s tormentor Marga.
MABUHAY ANG PINAS!
ATTENTION: THIS IS NOT A FAIR AND BALANCED SITE. ARTICLE AFTER ARTICLE OF ANTI PACQUIAO PROPAGANDA IS NOT PROFESSIONAL. BOYCOTT.
I agree with Homework101.. while 145 is within the welterweight limit, it is quite different.. because you changed the maximum limit to 145 and instead of 147.. I am Filipino and a Pacman fan of course.. but getting a 7th weight division is very hard and should be very hard.. Manny.. get it at 147 lbs or not at all.. If you get it at 145.. then history will doubt you forever.. and how do you intend to defend the title should you win? at 145 also?
It will be very hard for Pacquaio to fight Cotto at 147.. but that is the point.. it should be very harda and close to impossible.. otherwise everyone can accomplish it.. getting it at 145 is like cheating.. I am for Manny.. I am the greatest Pacman fan.. I am confident he can beat Cotto at 147.. come Manny.. fight at 147 and make us proud.
FAO of the people who are saying have the weigh in on the day of the fight so Cotto does not have the considerable size advantage going into the ring, again NO!
After all it is Pacquiao who is choosing to try and go for the title at another weight, if he cannot achieve this like every other challenger would be expected to do, then tough…he simply cannot fight competetively at WW.
If Manny wants to fight for the 147lbs title then he has to fight at 147lbs. It’s the rules, if he wants to weigh 145lbs then that’s fine, but he ain’t getting no world title if he don’t face the facts. You can’t make your own rules up.
manny & roach are asking 2 much.Manny is typical of a pinoy,want to take all the advantage to win.just like in d elections. Pac wants all his opponents to be shorthanded.If he wants the ww belt then fight at ww.If u want to be mayor do you run for as councilor then after winning be proclaimed as mayor?sobra na. go pac go fight cotto at 147,then roach and ur team can cheer u and shout.. go go money! money! money!
Pac will agree to 147 limit… if the weigh-in be on the day of fight… Cotto Should be reasonable enough to agree on this proposition… Hey, Miguel! Be man enough to put ur title on the line!
BERNARD HOPKINS AND DELA HOYA FIGHT @ CATCHWEIGHT.WHY IT IS A TITLE FIGHT? THEY FIGHT ALSO 2 POUNDS BELOW THE SUPER MIDDLE WEIGHT LIMIT THE SAME AS PACQUIAO WANT COTTO TO GO DOWN 2 POUNDS OR I SAY 1 POUND ONLY CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT COTTO WEIGHT 146 POUNDS ON CLOTTEY FIGHT.IF COTTO IS CONFIDENT OF WINNING THIS FIGHT,WHY IS HE PLAY HARD TO GET WITH HIS BELT?
Brilliant article, 100% agree lets hope your not right and we get to se this fight without any dramas!
Ok you’re saying Manny is the challenger?
Is Manny wins what does he get? A worthless WBO belt the worst belt in the division.
Is Cotto wins what does he get:
-A HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE fight with Mayweather Jr.
-Huge fights against Marg, Mosley etc.
-Massive legacy for beating Manny Pacquiao
-Moves up the P4P ratings
So Cotto is the challenger.
By the way guys, if chickencotto is such a great champ, he’s actually putting in line “ONE=1″ belt, kick Pacman’s ass, and he’ll get “ALL=6″ belts of Pac, how’s that?
Number1983….(and all you same nutheads!), isn’t it the class is 140-147? So Cotto is the best in this class, why worry at 145? Or is he only the champ of this class at “SPECIFICALLY” 147? Don’t dare to kick others ass within this class limit yet, even tho with smaller guys huh? Well, can’t blame you, Chickencotto!
I am a Filipino and obviously a PacMan fan.
However, like the author I am a boxing fan first. And I must agree that this catchweight provision is BS. If Pac wants to be the welterweight champion, he must fight at the welterweight limit. No ifs, buts, and catchweights.
Lets get it on Manny. Fight at 147.
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I fully subscribed to the holding that to force MIGUEL COTTO to stake his belt in his forthcoming fight against MANNY PACQUIAO would be too much as he (MIGUEL COTTO) politely acceded to almost every terms and conditions the other camp has been offering him to accept except his belt which is his only valued possession. And to compel him to put his belt on the line would be unfair to the sense of propriety and would deprive MC of his dignity.
If they (Pacquiao’s Camp) wanted to make boxing history that will surpass and transcend the glorious achievements of other great boxersin the past, then there is only ONE AND ULTIMATE WAY TO DO it. Let the fight be at 147 pounds fair and square.
And I can not see any valid reason why Roach would protest loudly at such fight weight. In fact, he would always say that weight does not matter in boxing, but speed and skill do when he defended Pacquiao’s fight against bigger opponents before.
Considering that he believes that Manny Pacquiao has both and a complete boxer now than ever before, then why not let Manny Pacquiao fight Miguel Cotto at 147, if they eagerly wanted to snatch his hard earned belt and at the same time carve and perpetuate Manny Pacquiao’s name in the annals of boxing.
Cotto, you’re just a big chicken for all you’re worth of your title! Face REALITY!!!! Weigh in at 147, come fight time bulge up to anyway you want it, right? So what’s the difference of weigh-in at 145 then still bulging in at your preferred weight come fighting-time? Sheeeeezzzzz, I may not follow boxing that much, but this ain’t look like a champ asking for a fight. Just a bully who wants to keep his candy and still want to go kick at somebody naturally smaller!
homework 101 is correct about welteweight definition..
Lol Pacman wants to fight for the belt now, wow come on, fight for the belt wasn’t what was agreed on at first, if you want to fight the champ then you have to meet the champion demands or you get no shot. He won it at 147 so, if he lose, let him lose it at 147. Pound for Pound champion, i see more excuses with Pac and Roach all the time, they wnt to drain you and beat you or take your title at the weight they want to fight at, wow………
p.s. pacmans fight with r.hatton wasnt a championchip fight either,
in my opinion pacman is pfp the best at this moment and that is what pfp is nothing but an opinion and whe know everyone has an opinion. boxing championchips are another mater, there are rules and weight limits. and if the sactioning bodies where not so greedy they would stick to the rules they themselfs have made. boxing tradion also has alot to do with greatness that a fighter can acheive example henry armstrong,roberto duran, alexis arguello,thomas hearns, wilfredo benitez,ray rodinson,e.morales,m.a.barrera, pernell witaker, shane mosely, all multiple weight champions never asked for special catchweights to acheive greatnes. up the this pointpacman has won his championchips the right way his fight with de la hoya wasnt a championchip fight it was just a fight but if we are to be honest if a fighter wants to be champion in a certain weight he should not be aloud to ask for catch weights in that cotto is 100% right and true whether you live in asia,europe,africa or america.
Bachata y Merengue > Salsa y J’Lo
Since I’m using my meaningless title as a means to cope with my insecurities, this fight will never happen…
THEREFORE, I think the mainstream world rather see Marc Anthony and Yao Ming (or some other obscure Asian) senselessly beat the sh*t out of each other with rubber dildos. I hear Yao Ming has a solid south paw style which I can study for future mega-fights.
FYI, my uncle forced me to participate in masochistic bukkake sessions inwhich I had the beneficial experience of being face painted by Dominicans. In addition, my uncle would make me do splits with my pants off in front of him to condition me for agile footwork… That’s why I resent him…
Mira mis compadres!
Des pues, taking the Filipino chorizo in my tight illiterate ass, I want that moreno guapo Floyd Dinero Mayweather to double-fist me with his psuedo-fast boxing gloves…. TOMA!
F*ck you P-Ricans stop this bigotry, stop stealing bikes, and leave the projects so that they’re aren’t 5 or 6 generations of you infesting section 8 society… go to college and get real jobs!
Also:
I’ve read that couple people here want the weight-in done the day on the fight, so to prevent Cotto from getting to big.
That by far is THE most ridiculous notion I have ever heard. Do you know how hard it is (both physically and mentally)to get in weight. Most most fighters have to severly dehydrate, starve exercise themself in order be under the required weight limit.
and then you want cotto to step in the ring with Pacquiao after going through that, without the usual day of rest to re-cope and rehydrate. If yes, then the only think I would ask is— do you want Cotto killed or something, that’s what would likely happen.
use your head, for god sakes
couple of points:
1) 141-147 is consider welterweight!. while that is true, only thing Cotto is saying is if Pacquiao want my belt, lose the catchweight, meaning don’t limit me. I think that’s perfectly reasonable.
2) I just checked the WBO website, they have put Pacquiao as the number 1/Mandatory challenger for the WBO belt.
This is mind blowing, how the hell can Pacquiao be the number 1 contender for the WBO belt. I mean, beside the ODLH fight, what other fight did he have in welterweight. Most fighters have to figh their way up the division to become the Mandatory challenger for the belt. How the hell can they just give it Pacquiao, what has he done in welterweight to earn that.
michael, you’re talking from your ass. you don’t know anything about the weight and what you are saying. you’re an ignorant confused moron and an imbecille chatterbox.
So stop yapping about catch weight, 147 lbs. blah-blah-blah if you don’t know anything about the weight rules.
Just to educate you gentlemen. Minimum weight to fight at the Welterweight class is 141 lbs. meaning you must not weigh lighter than 141 during weigh-in time and maximum weight is at 147 lbs. meaning you shouldn’t weigh heavier than 147 lbs. come weigh-in time. 145 lbs. is 2 lbs lighter than the maximum weight and 4 lbs heavier than the minimum weight. Common sense dictates that 145 lbs is within the Welterweight class. WBO then has a valid reason to have the fight sanctioned as a Welterweight title fight. IMO, to erase once in for all the doubts as to Pacquiao being scared of fighting at 147 lbs. or he’s just bullying Cotto, or whatever the case maybe, Miguel should be allowed to tip the scales at 147 come weigh-in time.
WTF is wrong with my post awhile ago? They don’t wanna publish mypost.
I always said if your going to take a title from the champion,you should fight at his normal weight ,damn that catch weight BS .When PBF fought ODLH,it was at 154.No one says PACMAN has to come in at 147,just Cotto has to.
you know what these comments make me wanna say is shut the f— up with the politics. cotto aint scared neither is pac this is business you f—ing idiots. whenever ww division is mentioned you think 147. 140 is junior ww. the pac camp wanted cotto at 142 143 for a reason. 145 was agreed upon with no title. now they want a title so pac can make history “if he wins”. if the table were turned you pacwagon riders would complain and assume cotto were scared. don’t justify the nonsense. if anything, cotto not putting the title on the line is just as bad as pac not going up the extra 2 lbs to “make history” “if he wins”. think outside the box. dont d–k ride.stop underestimating. you guys are basing pac defeating cotto on the fact he beat washed up dlh and overrated hatton whom only won like 3 or 4 fights in the states outside of uk. yeah he fought comp at 130 135. cotto is a whole new ball game. funny how cotto aint the same after losing to loaded gloves and was not knocked out.lol. comes back beats jennings fights clottey (whos an avoided boxer) beats him, not how we would want him to have beat him, but for god’s sake he was fighting smart. you cant go toe to toe with clottey with one eye. and cotto pulled it off. but its human nature to point and critisize when one isnt pleased by another. im a pac fan as much as a cotto fan. both humble talented boxers. but right now pac’s name is commercial and hyped up to the t. 145 147 title or not he aint f—ing with cotto. sorry. think outside the box.
I’m sorry to all my fans but I been watching some video tapes of Cotto and I see that I’ll never be able to take Cotto’s body punches, I pist in my pans to see the Greatness of Cotto, he is not Oscar he don’t fight for money he fights for pride and that’s very dangeress for me, fu** you Freddy I’m not doing it. To my fans please I’m sorry but Cotto does not go dowm Margarito is bigger and stronger than me and he had plaster and still couldn’t take him down after a couple in the body i pist in my pants scared
Excellant Article. . . I’m losing respect for the Pacman.
141-147 is consider welterweight! Even the president of WBO was saying this should be a title fight!
Just in case no one noticed, the majority of the articles on this site are on or about Pacman. In case you also did not notice, check and see which articles just seem to get the most hits. Correct! Anything about Pacman, especially if it is anti Pacman, scores big time. Floyd you only wish you could garner this publicity eh?
I have therefore noticed that not just Perez is writing about him now, everyone else is. Is this a mere coincidence? Of course not! Pacman is the one who generates the most interest in boxing. Go ask Sugar Ray Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Holmes or Tyson and see who they say is tops.
The boxing writers and the TV stations also know that. Notice that the only time Floyd/Marquez get any mention is if they talk about you know who.
I am not saying that Pacman should be allowed to break rules. I am just saying that one hand can’t clap by itself but Pacman is the hand that gets it going. Cotto will give in because Pac can get another hand to clap with and Cotto will miss his biggest ever payday. If he wins he will never get that type of $ again.
Pac, let him fight at 147 but have the weigh not at 12 am but later in the evening, say 6. This will still give him to to bulk back up and have a huge weight edge. I can’t get it why people do not get it that Pac will not be over 150 but if he can, Cotto will get to 165.
Please don’t bring up Oscar because his previous fight was 150 so 147 was not a huge drop. Cotto only has to drop 2 lbs and it is still in the welter class. Why is he scared to do it? Why does Pac insist on 145? Who cares! Just fight!
HEY Chacaroy.
Bottom line Cotto holds the belt and he won the belt at 147 so if Manny wants it then he needs to do the same
yeah fight 147 lbs just 2 more pounds manny should go for it so thing long argument is done I Believe in you PACMAN you can do it You will win seventh world titles PACMAN……PACMAN…….PACMAN…….PACMAN
PACMAN……PACMAN…….PACMAN…….PACMAN
IMO all this proves one thing. Pacman no matter how good he is, simply can’t do the business at WW against WORLD CLASS opposition however considering he started at 106 lbs there’s no shame in that!.
His demands in the build up to this fight have been ridiculous. Don’t get me wrong Pac’s a great fighter and right now deserves to be where he’s at! But P4P N.O 1 or not, he’s NOT bigger than the sport of boxing! If a belt is on the line then he has no right to dictate to the recognised WW WBO Champion in Cotto, what weigh he must come in at!
And as for some people who are saying have the weigh in on the day of the fight so Cotto does not have the considerable size advantage going into the ring, again NO! After all it is Pacquiao who is choosing to try and go for the title at another weight, if he cannot achieve this like every other challenger would be expected to do, then tough…he simply cannot fight competetively at WW.
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I used to like Cotto until I read he beat up his uncle. I lost all my respect.
This is Pac-Mans chance to legitamize his win over Oscar. If the Pac-Man managment dont agree that Oscar was shot when Pac faught him then take on one of the champs at the same weight class. He wants the belt then he needs to fight at the weight. BOTTOM LINE!!!!! COTTO IS KNOCKING HIM OUT
Wow, We don’t need the fight if the title is not on the line,” Freddie Roach, Pacquiao’s trainer, told The Manila Bulletin. “I want Manny to do this for a reason. I want Manny to win seven world titles. Titles are overrated but I would like to see Manny do this.”
What other reason does Manny need to fight Cotto other than to beat the best to be the best.
Sounds like there are some other reasons for Manny and Roach to have this change of heart.
I also feel that Pac needs Cotto just as much as Cotto needs Pac.Who other than Marquez is Pac going to fight?Mayweather?that fight would be harder for team Pac to make then prob any other fight.Mosley?Dont think that team Pac wants that fight or it would have been done,Shane bent over backward to try and loar Pac in.Team Pac didn’t even look at the bait.
Realy i would be much happier if they kept this nogotiation thing out of the public eye and just let us (the people)no if a fight is going to happen either way, but i guess its just another way to build hype…It gets old.Good article.
To Manny and Cotto,”GET IT DONE”!!!!!!!!!!!!
point to ponder.
if Cotto fights only at 147, he should think about going to jr middle, which starts at 148.
If he stays at welter, he should not expect all his fights should be at 147. Pacquiao has gone up from 106. You think he is scared?
Manny coward?
I don’t think so. Not too long ago, Cotto refused to put the title on the line because he didn’t want to pay the sanction fee of $145,000. This excuse is lame; the fee is a standard procedure. What raises an eyebrow is his rejection of it when the opponent is Pacquiao. Did he reject it fighting Clottey? Why refuse when he would be making many times more than all of his previous fights put together, even after paying the fee?
Now Cotto has come up with another monkey wrench: The fight has to be at 147 lbs, the welter limit. Supposedly anything below it would not be welter weight. If this were true, wouldn’t the governing board, the WBO, be the ones to say so? Read the WBO rules for weight classification. Jr. welter is up to 140; welter is up to 147.
Thus, 147 is only the upper limit of the division, not the division itself. If this were not true, then boxers weighing 142, 143, 144, 145, and 146 would be homeless. How assinine it would be if it were not true. The lower limit, although not directly defined, is 141 lbs. What weight the two fighters fight at, title on no title, is up to the fighters, just so long it’s within the welter weight range.
The WBO confirms that it is true by its position that it should be a title fight. With the WBO insistence looming large, Cotto then said he would give up the title rather than put it on the line. This is irrational and shows lack of confidence to the extreme. Why should I help Pacaquiao accomplish the 7 titles world record? Why should I be the sacrificial lamb of the historical event?
Pacquiao wants to fight for the title, and won’t fight if the title is not on line. Cotto…Traces of Mayweather?
Junior Welterweight is between 135 and up to 140
Welterweight is between 140 and up to 147.
145lb is within the Welterweight division.
If you fight within the welterweight range as recognized by all boxing organizations, why shouldn’t it be for the title? It’s Cotto who needs to man up. Pacman has a very legitimate argument here folks. Please keep your feelings on the side and recognize the facts.
Best article I’ve read on here in a long time. Let’s hope that the fight takes place. Let’s hope it’s at 147 and for the title. And let’s hope both fighters show all their talents and give us one of the best fights in recent history.
shut up, pacman fans.
you don’t even know cotto.
how stupid could you get?
pac’s camp and his fans are underestimating cotto because cotto just had his fame.
and he ain’t rushing and yes, he doesn’t care about the money.
he’s one sophisticated boxer.
he thinks.
unlike pac.
pac’s taking advantage because obviously and unfortunately he’s loved by everyone.
which is really ugly.
cotto fans respect cotto because he knows his position and what he’s capable of.
pac’s great at his field but he’s commercial.
pac’s too famous that that airhead is getting bigger.
big bull.
Viva Cotto and Viva PUERTO RICO mi gente
Brian why you dont shut your stupid mouth and do something for your life go to hell and kiss your grandmas ass lol
what a bunch of stupid comments. pacquiao wants the fight at 145 because he’s the main attraction not because he’s scared. he’s the cash cow right now so he should make the decisions. why do you think he’s getting the bigger split? boxing is simple, promote the fight, and promote it good. this whole weight issue and belt issue is just another way to get more people interested about the fight. PACQUIAO and COTTO AREN’T SCARED DUMB FAGGOTS! it’s all promotion.
Sorry for my fans but i am afraid to fight at 147 cause i know that cotto is gona kick my ass i were crying yesterday in the bathroom of the gym cause freddy think that cotto is better than me. i quit am not gona fight cotto he is a monster he will destroy my skinny body. I pray to miyagi for help and he replied me that neither steven segal can save me from this. Please forgive me ATT the chicken pacquiao.
As an opponent of Manny Pacquiao this coming bout 11/14/09. I will boldly predict that I will be KO whether I like it or not.
TJ178 i am no part of the cottos family and i believe that cotto is not better than paquiao i believe that he is the best boxers at this times better than everybody. remember to click my name and vote in the poll
TJ178 i am no part of the cottos family and i believe that cotto is not better than paquiao i believe that he is the best boxers at this times better than everybody
Excellent article I agree 100%
TJ178:
Are you related to Cotto or something? Because outside of his immediate family, NOBODY on this planet truly believes Cotto is better than Pacquiao. Nobody. There’s a good reason Pacman is the pound for pound king.
Also, I am not complaining about the 147 lb. weight limit. On the contrary, I was pointing that OTHERS were complaining (others= pachaters and Cotto fans). As I stated, give Cotto his 147 lbs – only he will have to weigh-in on the day of the fight. Completely fair. No more excuses. If anyone whines and complains about this, it just proves my point – that it was never about the weight in the first place.
AND I SAID GREATNESS! MAN, THOSE WHO CAN’T DIFFERENTIATE A GREAT FIGHTER AND A ” PRETTY STANDARD ERA FIGHTER ” NEED NOT HAVE TO REPLY ON MY COMMENT! I hope you know what I mean so that I’ll not laugh at your stupid asses!
99.9% torres is a pacquiao hater–
Manny will beat the CRAP out of Cotto in 147 lbs or even in 156 lbs! This 2 lbs is nothing and I don’t even believe that Cotto can hurt or knock Pacquiao even if he has 4 hands to work with. That is how confident I am for Manny. This talk of him fighting for a belt is just a carry on load just to at least satisfy the people’s request for him being the first to be a 7th divisional champion. Inside of Manny’s head which is the most important one you can clearly anticipate that he is gonna whack Cotto whether he is gonna stake his belt or not in whatever weight category they fight. Now that is the truth behind all these. ALL OF YOU SHUT UP NOW! WHY CAN’T YOU APPRECIATE A FORMER 106 LBS FIGHTER TRYING TO BEAT UP BIGGER GUYS? ISN’T THAT ENOUGH EXPLANATION THAT THEY ARE IN A CROSSROAD NOW JUST TO MAKE A POINT ON SOMETHING. THAT SOMETHING IS GREATNESS AND YOU GOTTA SEE AND READ IT FROM ALL THESE CRAP BETWEEN THE LINES!
if you want to vote in a poll of cotto/paquiao fight just click in my name when you enter the poll is in the middle bar at the beggining of the page
lightwelter weight is at 140lbs – welterweight is at 147lbs there you go THERE IS NO BELTS AT 145LBS PACQUIAO SHOULD OPEN HIS EYES MORE whos next for pacquiao will it be hopkins at 147lbs lololololololol ahahahaaaaaaaa pacquiao is getting scared
Anonymous if Pac is so much better stop comlaining about the weight, corn. Ando Cotto can whip pac if they both 147 or whatever b/c Pac is not better than Cotto, he just looks better b/c of who he has fought, most of his wins, besides the Marquez fights, are OVERRATED! LOL ya know it so face it and open our eyes, dont be biased.
First, I think this is a ploy to get more $ just like Hagler and Lalonde vs Leonard. The guy who brings nothing to the table squeezes as much $ from his biggest fight as he can. I do not blame Cotto for this. In fact, I am sure they already agreed to terms and this is just public posturing to generate mor crossover interst.
This will be very huge and Cotto knows his title means nothing. He has a chance to make huge $ and beat the man to become the man. And he will have a huge edge in weight. Yes, Eric Torres! In the old days the weigh in was the same day to avoid the huge weight edge.
However, fighters are like regular athletes and will cheat to get an edge by straining their bodies instead of moving up. Too many fighters got injured or killed and the rule was changed to protect the idiots aginst themselves. Now it is back to the same weight edge again.
Like I said rules should not be changed just for the Leonards, Oscars and Mannys, they should just be changed period, to avoid this crap. I believe Gatti damaged Joey Gamache ( was it two other fighters?) by gaining lots of extra weight. This practice must be looked at before someone gets more seriously hurt or killed. I have been saying this for years not because of this fight.
I repeat, this is just a ploy to get more $. I do not agree that Mannycan demand the title. I do agree that as the cash cow he can demand a lion’s share just like Ray, Oscar & Ali. Even if he is not an American, he draws. Hear that Floyd??
Engough of this dumb writer and dumber pachaters!
Is Pacman scared? That fracking 140 pounder midget is willing to bloat his body to 145 to fight Cotto who is naturally bigger. Now tell me writer Torres, why is 147 pounder Cotto so afraid to come down 2 lbs and put his belt on the line? 145 is not even in between 140 and 147 you dumbass pachaters
Hey Torres that is a damn good article, I agree with you all the way. Cotto is not possibly scared to defend the title, he is being REAL for all you blind people. Scared is when you finally get a challenge and try to determine all the rules, even the weight and then you want the belt. Real “boxing” fans know the truth. Cotto is the bravest fighter in boxing, not a cherry picker like Paquiao. Cotto has fought ppl who can be considered middleweights easily and WON.
Ok all of you Cotto Cry Babies and Pac-Hater P*ssies… Just as someone stated before, have the weigh-in on the day of the fight. Let Cotto weigh-in at 147 and put the title on the line. There is absolutely no rule that states the weigh-in has to be the day before the fight. Fighters for decades who have had trouble making weight have literally weighed in hours before a fight. So, all of you pansies who’ve been whining over 2 pounds – there’s your solution. What do you say now???
My guess is you’re still going to whine and still going to make excuses. Why, because the argument has NEVER really been about weight. The bottom line: you all KNOW that Pacman will kick Cotto’s ass at any weight. It’s just much easier for you all to swallow when there’s a convenient excuse available. Well, let’s take away the excuse. Case closed!
TORRES, For you to say that you are a big fan of Pacquioa but called him a coward for not fighting marquez the third time, and by saying Cotto bent down to all of Pacquiao’s demands is totally idiotic.
Its more like a Pacquiao hater to me.
Pacquiao won both fights on Marquez, First fight, Marquez got lucky because one of the judges didn’t know that he score a lower 6 after all the knock downs, so he gave scored higher. That right there would have made Pacquiao won the first fight.
The second fight, Compu Stat counter edged Pacquiao by 5%, That right there is a clear indication that the judges got it right by giving the win to Pacquiao.
So what you’re saying is let Marquez try and try until he wins? you are such a moron for the suggestion.
Now, on Pacquiao’s demands. Get you’re stupid facts straight. Pacquiao demanded a 143lbs weight but Cotto demanded 145. So instead of Pacquiao trying to meet both demands in-between at 144lbs, he just gave Cotto his 145lbs.
And how would you know that Pacquiao got all of his demands when everything is not even out on the open and not even on a signed black and white yet. You’re mixing facts with fiction. I call that an UNEDUCATED assessment and distortion of facts.
It sure did gives you a lot of viewers hit though, SMART MOVE BUT DUMB.
One thing wrong about this stupid internet postings is that nobody’s preventing writers like you on distorting facts just for the sake of viewers hits.
I guess you just hated the fact that Pacquiao drove a Mack truck and went to a Mexican owned territory destroying anything on its way, Now, that’s a fact.
I’m a fan of both fighters. I’m just not sure who called out who? Was it Pacman who called out Cotto or is it vice versa? From my limited boxing knowledge, Welterwieght’s minimum is 141 lbs. and maximum is 147 lbs. Is this a Welterweight or a Junior Welterweight Championship fight? Or a non-title fight. IMO, Pacman’s camp should allow Cotto to tip the scales at 147 come weigh-in time if he wants Cotto’s title. If it’s a non-title fight, then Pacman’s terms should be followed coz it’s Miguel who’ll benefit more since this is his first chance of getting a huge payday. He should thank Pacman for that opportunity.
What an article. man when i grow up i wanna be like you. you are my hero lol you think and you say the same things like me. is incredible , after all this things are happening, i suggest that cottos corner check pacquiao handwraps, will not be that, freddy roach and Arum do the same trap that the corner of margrito on cottos fight. cause i know Bob Arum had anything to do with the margarito plaster, hey more champions more millions.I know that pacquiao will use any kind of tricks to beat cotto thats the fight of his life and he will do anything to win.
Cotto can retire after the Manny fight. He will earn in one bout what he will earn in a lifetime. Come to think of it, it only means one thing. Cotto doesn’t care about money. He cares about his reputation which will be forever tarnished after Manny destroys him without the need of “plaster of paris”.
As a huge Pac fan I hope he forgets about this fight. I never wanted him to fight Cotto because on fight night he will be 160-165 which is the middle and that is too much. Pac will max out at 145-147 so that’s too much weight to give up. I still felt he would find a way to win.
However, fair is fair. If the contract says 145 and no title, then that is what it should be, but I have not seen the contract and am no lawyer. I hope our contributor “Supreme Court” can rule on this (haha)! Pac, I know you will do the right thing.
If I can recall correctly Ali, Leonard, Tyson, Oscar and any other popular fighter always got equal or bigger % even when challenging a title.
The fighter who brings the most to the table can get the bigger cut but cannot change basic rules right? Wrong! Leonard fought Hagler at an agreed limit of 12 rds, reyes gloves and a 20 ft ring. When he fought Donny Lalonde, it was for the newly created 168 lb title as well as the 175 yet Lalonde could not exceed 168.
That was catchweight and it bending the rules. I have no problem with cathweight but bending rules to suit the most popular guy is wrong. It was not right for Sugar and not now for Manny. But Sugar was the media darling and American so it seems as if people are two faced by now picking on Manny.
To manny, I say you left the happy 140 class to seek bigger names and dictated terms the same way Oscar dictated to you. Fans sided with you cause Oscar came across as a bully. Please do not make fans lose faith in you. I would prefer to see you lose with dignity against a lrager man than have fans feel you are a bully.
If the contract says 145 and no title, we know he will come in over 160 but you signed it. If you win it will be monumental, if you lose so what? I for one still respect you for being brave. While if Floyd beats Marquez, who cares? he has not enhanced his legacy. He is bigger and younger!
Regarding Floyd and Marquez; does anyone care if this fight is on or off? Does anyone know weight limit? Does anyone care? Besides Bigtone, I guess nobody does & that’s what I already said. Nobody!
Floyd is the man in that fight and Marquez is the lil bitch so he has to accept what scraps he is given…which will not be much since the fight is not even selling.
To try to generate interst Floyd offered to buy out Marquez. Then Oscar and his team said stupid things about Manny. Why? Of course to get media attention. Floyd upped this by going on TV to bad mouth Manny. Floyd and Marquez, no one wants to see a full grown welter beat and old man who just left 130, no matter what weight you decide. What is the big secret? To get attention? Floyd says he is the star but he forgot that Oscar & Hatton brought the crowd.
According to Floyd Marquez has Mexico behind him. Yes they are behind him Floyd, but no one can see them. Please ask them to step out from his shadow and buy some tickets. While you are at it, ask your fans to buy some too. I mean the people who write to this site claiming they love to watch paint dry, I mean, watch you fight. You talk more vicious than you fight!ZZZZZZZZZZZZ boring!
pacman doesnt need cotto anyway cotto is overrated, if he beats cotto everyone will say he is shot – so the hell with cotto his dumbass is gonna lose a ton of money if he dont fight pacman!
Cotto said he is confident in defeating Manny. He said he will be competitive at 145. All of a sudden he wont risk his title. It only means one thing. He is scared of losing to Manny, retiring at an early age and most of all being remembered notoriously in history for being the guy to give Manny his 7th weight class title.
I am happy for him that he finally woke up to the reality and got back to his senses.
the best thing i have herd so roach is trying to get out the fight so this is the way he will do it cotto does not care fighting at 145 or 147 is pac who wants to fight for a title belt well fight him at 147 simple is that he fought oscar at 147 whats the different every body saying he man handle oscar at 147 well man handle cotto the same sike i think not says roach so lets run a way now that we have a chance.pac fight him at 147 if you want a belt f#$$% the excuses be a man and fight at 147 or forget about the title and fight at 145 an call it the day……….
Pacman and Freddy Roach are scared and Cotto knows this. Manny team has been playing this bully back and forth game and now everyone can see the game plan. COTTO IS GOING TO KICK YOUR ASS manny! Manny team thinks they are so smart but in the end he was going to get played. Now he see that the end is near and wants to back out. Sugar will KO pacman out as well. Manny sucks he likes to cherry pick the boxers and make his own rules up. COTTO WILL KICK YOUR LITTLE MAN @$$.
Sugar Ray Leonard, Lennox Lewis and Wrinky Wright, these 3 legends had said that Pacquiao is the most brave and exciting boxer in this generation. He comes to each fight prepared “to fight” and giving all boxing fans their money´s worth. Pacman scared? You make me laugh!
F@#k Manny Pacquiao, and f@#K any fans of his who stand up for him after this LATEST cowardly act. The next person who even thinks of comparing Pac to the great Duran should be strangled. There were NO JUNIOR weights for Duran to move up to, he went up TWELVE pounds from 135 to 147 and won the title the legit way, he BEAT UP Leonard. Pacman can’t carry Duran’s glove tape. Cotto will knock him the f@#k out just like the other two guys who laid Manny out with bodyshots. F@#k Ms. Pacman.
the pacman is scared.. be a man manny and fight cotto at 147 pounds don’t be a coward. you are a baby pacman you need to grow up. figt cotto if you really got the guts and if you realy the “p4P” king !!!!!!!!!!
this would be a monumental struggle between good vs the greatest. if this will not happen, that is fine with us puerto rican fans. we would rather want our hero cotto to follow and emulate the great manny pacquiao and start bustin’ mexican boxers.
This is to answer Kupz & Oscarito. Kupz first thing is first, I am fully aware of the welterweight limit. So I do not need to do my homework. I clearly stated that the LIMIT for welterweight is at 147 NO MORE. Hence the reason for me stating that there should not be a catch weight. If Manny wants to pull out of the fight because Cotto wants to come into the weigh in at the the welterweight limit what is wrong with that? He is the champion & Manny is the challenger. If it was the other way around Cotto would have to drop weight to fight Pacquiao. The reality is that Pacquiao was the one who challenged Cotto Not the other way around.
Now to Oscarito. Pretty much what you are saying is the most ridiculous thing I have read in quite a while. Let me get this straight, what you are saying is that they should do a weigh in the night of the fight to offset the advantage that Cotto might have? That is what training is for. Its to prepare you for those challenges & hopefully evening out the playing field. That is something that boxers & trainers do on there own not with the help of catch weights or any other outside help. Your suggestion which is unheard of other than for offical telecast considerations is ridiculous.
What you are saying is that Manny the CHALLENGER should get special treatement for challenging the champion? If Manny is challenging Cotto for his belt then he is fully aware of the Weight & size diference, hence it is a challenge. As I stated in the article if Cotto wanted to challenge Manny for his Junior welterweight title, Cotto would have to drop the weight & Cotto would know this. Just as Pacquiao should know that if he wants to fight Cotto,claim his belt & his spot among the greats, he should have to fight in Cotto’s territory. Shame on you Oscarito for such a statement!!
If you are all looking for the facts, all advantages is actually leaning for Cotto. He got what he wants at 145 lbs. He insisted that, because he knows he will still be comfortable in that weight. He is two yrs. younger than Pacquiao. He is taller, he is bigger, he is heavier, he has a powerfull punch and he is a counter puncher too. He has also the speed and most of you are making Cotto like a martyr! The reality is, Team Pacquiao demanded a higher pay because Pacquiao can draw a lot of crowd, not only a boxing fans and fanatics, but also people from entertainment business, government officials, other athletes from different sports, actors and actresses, boxing fans and even mayors, senators (remember Sen. Mccain) as well as the president. Do you think Cotto can manage that? I´ve never seen it so far. And Cotto is the underdog? You must be kidding!
You’re Missing the point on this one Eric Torres. There is no agreement in place yet. Manny Pacquiao is in the drivers seat and this will be the biggest payday of Miguel Cotto’s Career plus the chance to BE the MAN. Pacquiao took his lumps when Oscar Dela Hoya was the MAN and Dela Hoya dictated the terms then. The big loser will be Cotto if Pacquiao walks away and fights Shane Mosley or someone else. Cotto’s belt will mean nothing anyways because the belt was practically given to him when Paul Williams vacated it to fight at Super Welter. Cotto is just holding out to spike Pacquiao’s chance at making history..
pac man is a pussy. he should be the catchweight king. fight at 147 to make history.
well! Pac cotto, he knew his ganna get Pac up! thats why. PacYou cotto..
The weight limit is’nt 145lbs it’s 147lbs and if Cotto desires to weigh at 147 thats his right as a the Welterweight CHAMPION! Pacman and Pacfans please if hes to big stay down at 140lbs and fight Juan Manuel Marguez. You dont hear JMM bitching about weight to PBF, why? because hes a R E A L mans man regardless win or loose. Manny man the F!@# up or go back down…Enough is enough catchweight king…
These are just HYPE people although a very good one. Everybody are rattled up and ready to blast their opinions. This is a good marketing from Bob to let the two parties play out their roles and this is what you get. Nice job.
PacYou! perez, lois, and torres. PacYou..
I agree with Homework101 .You can fight for the belt at this weight (145) coz it is still consider welterweight. Nice one!
yes there was a thread title before with the “141-147 is Welterweight”
explaining, if you didn’t already know, that any weight in the above range = Welterweight
can’t argue against that, it’s a fact. as given the hypothetical example if WBC Junior Welterweight Champion Tim Bradley came in weighing 145 for a Jun. Welt. title defense
he would be 5lbs overweight, and since he’s too heavy for Junior Welter, his weight (145) would be the next division up, which is Welterweight.
we get it, no problem there.
and as for the other smart ass that said “there’s no 147 Division”
your absolutely right, you can weigh in at 146 for a welterweight title fight, and still fight for a Welterweight title … the definition said up to 147 ..as long as a fighter isn’t over 147, he should be good.
however I looked up 3 definitions of Welterweight (2 dictionary’s and dictionary.com)
and every single one of those definitions the weight of 147 pounds is part of the Welterweight definition.
so while there might not be a specific “147 division” welterweight is defined as a division with a max weight of 147.
with that in mind, putting a catchweight of 145 in essence changes the definition of Welterweight, because instead of a max weight of 147, it’s changed to the catchweight.
contracts aside, fighting at 145 still is Welterweight, since it’s under 147
but making a catchweight bout where 145 is the max you can weigh, changes the original Welterweight definition which has a 147 pound limit.
welterweight is between 141-147..damn as* writer., do your homework!!!
There is no problem Pacman fighting Cotto at 147 …..but make the weigh in on fight day. This will create a level playing field where no one can exploit a weight advantage come fight time. You and I and everyone else know Cotto is naturally bigger and heavier than Pacman. Isn’t this fair enough??? I address this to you Mssrs. Eric Torres, Ricardo Lois, Manny Perez and Liam Santiago. What can you say?
why not fight at 147 pounds… on fight night!! none of this 147 pounds then on fight night 165 pounds, that’s not welterweight anymore!
Sick of ALL this crap. If you want to fight for the welter title it’s 147 thats that!! I am soooo sick of pacmans demands. Did Duran ever pull this? Thats why he is a legend. I hope Manny Fights Mosley ,As Shane would finally put this joke to rest. Maybe Manny will fight a real fighter if they fight w/ one hand tied behind there backs…
idiot writer.
i feel your hate to the PACMAN!!!
i know cotto will not back down on this and i think his reason is legit so i hope Pacman and Roach relent just to cut the story short and prove the haters (esp. Manuela Perez and Liam Santiago) wrong.
decent article…objective writer.
Great article an I agree 100% Cotto is making the trap lets see if paquiao agree. In a day or so we r going to heard Mosley say that he will put his welter title on he line @ 140, stupid yeah but thats Mosley.
I agree with all Manny’s demand and thankful of the opportunity hes giving me to fight the P4P King. I will set aside all my pride just to get the biggest payday of my career and chance get knock out by Manny Pacquiao. Just show me the money baby!
what have i been saying. all apolagis.
Its about time Cotto stands up for him self. Pac wants to make history then fight at 147. If you want the Klishko then you fight at heavy not at 185. Man up Manny. I love you but you need to man up.
Oh dear. Pac will pull out if its not on the line, only he noes in the end cotto will put it on as he wont miss this chance. what a scumbag.
Excellent article I agree 100%….
Respect the Champion and also the Championship!
Enough is enough! I said once before and I’ll say it again dont get caught up in the Marketing & Hype of Paquiao’s management…….See through the BS…….
I agree with most of the article except for the fact that I don’t think they are scared and looking for ways out of the fight…I think they are more focused on the 7 titles in 7 divisions and are trying to force Cotto into giving in for the title. Seems like the Pacquiao camp is trying to have their cake and eat it too, and it’s nice to see Cotto standing up for himself. IMO, I think this fight will happen and it will be at the 147lbs weltwerweight limit for the belt. I think all the public backlash regarding Pacquaio demanding Cotto’s belt at a catchweight will make Manny want to man up and fight Cotto at the welterweight limit and prove to everyone why he’s the pound for pound king.