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commonsenseThanks Bobby. Of course DLH and Richard Shaeffer are hypocritcal. I looked up the word Hypocritical in the dictionary and it showed a picture of Richard Schaeffer and DLH together. LOL. DLH also said after he fought Pac that it was a good thing Pac did not hit hard or else he could have been seriously hurt. Now he says that Pac hit soooo hard, unnaturally hard, just like he was hit by other roid users, Mosely and Vargas when he fought them. You know the really interesting thing is that there is supposed to be a high tech urine test that just came out that is supposed to detect everything that a blood test does and more and even do it with greater accuracy. If this is true, then all of this nonsense about blood testing goes away INSTANTLY. Does anyone out there really believe that Pac, when presented with this brand new urine test is going to refuse it? give me a break. If this is true about this new urine testing, I predict May insists on teh blood testing anyway, because the REAL reason May has for insisting on blood testing is because he knows Pac’s aversion to getting his blood drawn and he either wants to screw with his training so he comes in unfocused and not well trained OR he was using it as an excuse to get out of the fight. His fatehr already admitted he was afrais for his son to fight Pac, but explained that statement by saying that even the best can be hurt by someone with PEDs in his system. WE all know that if JMM wanted a rematch, and, since the first fight was such a blow out, insisted that a clause be put into the 2nd fight whereby he woudl be ALLOWED ot take as many PEDs as we wanted, and if May was offered $45M to take that fight under those unusual conditions, do you really think May would turn that down? Posted February 8, 2010Bobby BagoongCommonsense, sez it all….COMMON SENSE. I would like to add more arsenal. Lets throw in Golden Boy who is also spearheading this blood testing. Floyd Jr and the Golden Boys could have spearheaded this blood testing thing long ago especially when Mosley got busted. But lets look at the previous fighters who have been busted-Vargas, Toney, Holyfield, Roy Jones Jr, Klitschko, Botha, Carrera, Salido and finally Sugar Shane Mosley. There are 9 fighters who have been linked and caught with steroids, so we can say there are 9 evidences and more important 9 reasons why to raise the standards in drug testing for PEDs. But every 9 of those chances, went silent especially when Mosley got caught. When Zab was going to fight Mosley(already known Balco user),blood testing was requested by Zab Judah’s manager. Then Richard Schaefer CEO of Golden Boy said then “We are not going to do other tests than the Nevada commission requires,” Schaefer said. “The fact is Shane is not a cheater and he does not need to be treated like one.” Now we are in the present, Pacquiao and Mayweather. Why all of sudden Golden Boy and the Mayweathers are bringing up random blood testing to the champion when he hasn’t been linked to any steroid or PED’s and passed every test all fighters took including Floyd. And why didn’t Golden Boy brought up more stringent testing when all those 9 fighters I mentioned presented a great case. But instead they are using their random blood testing card to a man who has passed all the test and has NO LINK TO USING PEDS. It is hypocritical on Floyd and Golden Boy’s part. There were 9 chances to make a case and not a single peep came out of Golden Boy and Floyd. If Floyd wanted to clean up boxing and all sports, he should have brought it up way before he was going fight Manny, maybe during his near 2 year hiatus from boxing. Fear and Paranoia is the source of Floyd’s reason for demanding random blood testing to Manny. He knows if Manny is truly clean when he demolished all those previous fighters, he have more to fear because he is facing a true phenomenon. Posted February 8, 2010USMC@Mike:Look at the chart again. Almost the same period of time except, but Mayweather was at a higher rate. Remember Mayweather did not stop at 147, he went up to 154. Posted February 8, 2010MikeFMJ went up in weight over a much longer period of time than Manny. money-mayweatherjack flores; commonsenseSimon, did I come off as sounding neutral? I think both sides have points and I try to see it from both sides but, that being said, I am probably NOT neutral, but that is only because it seems so obvious to me (and I really am trying to be objective here) which side has the stronger argument. I think Mayweather is a great talent. I also think he is an even better con man. I think this whole thing about the PEDs is all a con by Mayweather. He doesn’t really believe Pac is taking PEDs. He just wants to screw with his head and disrupt his training so he would not be at his best if he ever was forced to fight him. I think May tries to put a spin on everything. Well everyone does that to somee extent but May is the king of the spin. May Sr. flat out said he would be afraid of his son getting hurt if he fought the current version of Pac because he is convinced Pac is only that good because he is all juiced up and he wants him to fight his son without that kind of an advantage. He is afraid to have someone with all those performance enhancing drugs in his system, beating up on his son. He figures that, without the drugs, the clean version of Pac would be no match for his son. Teh only problem with that thinking is that he all but admitted he was afraid of this version of Pac and, if it turns out that he is wrong, and Pac is clean, just a phenominal, once in a lifetime fighter, then wouldn’t he STILL be afraid of his son getting hurt the same as before. Pac is the same fighter eitehr way. the only thing that changes is WHY he is a phenominal figher. He is either a cheater and a fraud and he woudl not be near the figher he is without the juice, or he is real. But he is still the same fighter either way. Posted February 7, 2010VINCE VEGASOh, and Manny’s not really a bad inside fighter, ask Cotto Posted February 7, 2010VINCE VEGASMr Sweet Sci: You made the following comment; rufus…by the way, all the names you mentioned (Roger Clemens, Mark McGwire, Manny Ramirez, Marion Jones, Ben Johnson, Floyd Landis, Shane Mosley, Fernando Vargas) were all tested PED users. do you know how they got caught? through urine analysis. Not all these people were caught through urine analysis. Marion Jones & Mosely were not actually ‘caught’. Jones & Mosely testified under oath; Mosely admitted to using but said he was unaware it was PED’s & is now in a lawsuit with Victo Conte of BALCO. It was later determined by the court Jones lied under oath & was imprisoned for contempt of court. Mark McGuire was not caught, he took the 5th & only recently came out saying that yes he had used PED’s, but it was worth it because he likes hitting baseballs really, really f*&^%ing far (OK, I made the last part up) Posted February 7, 2010Simon@ commonsense You seemed to own the pages of this blog by writing too many comments but it’s fairly hard to determine your true color. Who or what are you exactly? See, you can’t be in the neutral corner all the time. You have to take a stand somehow to establish your identity. So from now on, please take one side of the debate. Posted February 7, 2010carlos carterhey you never know in boxing. If Pac beats Clohttey, they are considering Margarito. Three years ago who would of thought that. I tell you Willaims is not out of the question. Posted February 7, 2010commonsensecarlos you are right. It is too bad that the self proclaimed best fighter of the current generation, Floyd Mayweather has become such a monumental jerk that he says things like “legacy don’t pay the bills”. Uh, I think your bills are pretty much paid these days Floyd. Now either retire already or fight the best. Don’t try to have your cake and eat it too. I am amazed that Leonard fought Hearns considering the physical mismatch. I am even more amazed that he knocked him out. Would I like to see Pac Williams, sure I would. It woudl sure trump Mayweather Mosley. I just dont see it happening and I cannot see how pac can fight that giant and win. But again Leonard koed Hearns so who knows? Posted February 7, 2010goodgrief@lex fugitive paquiao is under golden boy promotion back then barrera marquez morales. manny just follow what his promoter wants pacman to fight.that why pacman feels he not getting breaks for fighting winners so he goes to top rank bob arum. you know the legal battle between top rank and golden boy who willl take over manny paquiao. manny want to fight all the best fighter and champion then and now Posted February 7, 2010carlos carterTo all you Mayweather fans, I dont dislike Mayweather. He has great skills, but if you are the champ and pound for pound prove it. DUCK NO ONE. FIGHT ALL TAKERS, NO EXCUSES Posted February 7, 2010carlos carterThe thing i like about boxing the most is to see a fighter with heart, like the old Rocky movies. A fighter with hearts will defeat a fighter with skill most of the time. MAYWEATHER has not shown he has heart, because he will not take tough fights. Sugar Ray was a skilled and very smart boxer, but he also fought anyone. He had heart Posted February 7, 2010commonsenseRealistic, you are right. To be the MAN you have to fight the MAN. great. Now if your MAN will simply fight under the same NSAC rules and regulations that is licensing this fight, THE WAY IT HAS BEEN DONE FOR ALL 40 OF FLOYD’S PREVIOUS FIGHTS AND THE WAY IT HAS BEEN DONE FOR ALL FIGHTERS IN ALL WEIGHT DIVISIONS SINCE THE INCEPTION OF BOXING, we can settle this argument of who is better once and for all. I hope to see it. Then win lose or draw, whoever is the victor, I would hope all the diehard Mayweathre fans and all the “Pactards” (what a stupid word) can all congratulate the winner and be gracious in defeat and we can all go out and have a drink together and finally talk about something else. Posted February 7, 2010commonsenseRealistic lets talk facts ok? First I agree with you that May has the highest boxing IQ of any fighter today, including Pac. He can do it all. think on his feet. Adapt during a fight. Infighting, brawling, dancing. He has it all. He also has brittle hands which is really a lousy break for him but hey, he should be thrilled he was blessed with the talent he has. Look where it got him. But really you are looking at this with blinders on. You see everything thru Mayweather tinted glasses. Don’t you think there are just as many people that, when they watch May fight, they think of how he would do against Pac. You have to see both sides. I am neither a Pac lover or a May hater. I don’t propose to be an expert on anything, but most of this stuff is just common sense (which is why I chose that name). YOu are giving May’s undefeated record waaay too much credit. YOu really and truly do not believe he ducked anyone? YOu really and truly believe that crap that May spits out that he has fought the best? Yeah like when he fought “the best” lightweight in the world and dominated him? I think May is a great fighter. I just don’t buy into that “all roads lead to Mayweather” crap. Pac is waay more entertaining to watch. Look Mayweather could have knocked out Marquez if he wanted to, but he chose safety first….against a blown up lightweight. I don’t know, I just feel a little cheated for the money I spent when I watch him fight. Honestly did you feel you got the superfight you paid for when you saw him fight DLH? I’m just saying…. Posted February 7, 2010commonsenseCarlos, actually I think you are right. I just said that to appease Realistic. Look I mean they are actually considering taking on Margarito next. I remember a time when you could not ever even aimagine Pac and Margarito in the same ring because of the size mismatch and now they are talking about it as a real possiblity. Look this whole steroid thing that May Sr. woke up one morning and decided to manufacture, has gotten incredibly out of hand. Pac is either on something or he isn’t. Either way he is the same fighter. He is either a fraud who is taking drugs or he is a phenom who is just that good. Either way, he is the same fighter. He IS that good. The only difference is WHY heis that good. May Sr. is afraid of his son to fight him, because he feels that the REAL Pac, the one without drugs, would be easy pickings for his son, but the one he sees who demolished DLH and Hatton and Cotto, THAT Pac he is afraid to see his son in the ring with. Well he painted himself into a corner, because if Pac IS clean, then isn’t that the same Pac that May Sr. was afraid to see his son in the ring with because he was afraid of his son being hurt or worse? The ONLY difference between the two is NOT how good of a fighter Pac is, but only the reason WHY he is that good. If it turns out he is that good and is clean, then May Sr. better find some good excuse not to fight him lest his son risk getting seriously hurt as he already admitted he was afraid of if he went into the ring with this current version of Pac Posted February 6, 2010carlos carterI am 40 years old and a big boxing fan, i knew Pac when he was a no body. yes even when he got knocked out, that was before ROACH. I know great fighters when i see them. I know HEART. Mayweather has no hearts. Posted February 6, 2010REALISTICcommonsense, Lets call it like we see it ok the only reason PACMAN is as known as he is now is becuase he fought people right behind mayweather and won in a more impressive way (because styles make fights PBF IS counter-puncher). when manny fights its nothing but a mayweather promotion because all people are thinking about during a pacman fight is ” i wonder how he would do against floyd”. when floyd fights the just comparing him to his own fights and judging if its boring or not. without mayweather pacman wouldnt even be getting all this credit honestly. so PBF will NEVER be 2nd to MANNY. PACMAN SHOULD BE THANKING MAYWEATHER. pbf is number untill someone beats him plane and simple, TO BE THE MAN YOU HAVE TO BEAT THE MAN and the man is undefeated. Posted February 6, 2010carlos carterCommonsence i agree with, but i think you are wrong about Pac. He will fight Willams, and thats a bet. He is a old school fighter, he will fight anyone. Posted February 6, 2010commonsenseREALISTIC, Mayweather is only 40-0 because he ducked any fighter who had a chance of beating him. Sure there are some execptions. Corrales was supposed to be a close fight and May blew him away. Kudos to Mayweather for that one. But ever since he became a superstar, he protected that 0 not by taking fights but by avoiding them and only taking fights he knew he would win. Mayweather will NEVER fight Paul Williams. To go up against that kind of a physical mismatch. ONly sugar ray leonard would do such a thing as he did agains Hearns. And he knocked Hearsn out as his reward for taking that risk. If May were in Sugar’s shoes back then, no way he woudl take that fight. Just to show you I am not a “pactard” either (where did that stupid word come from anyway), I don’t see Pac ever fighting Williams either. A pefect record becomes meaningless if you duck the fighters who have a chance of beating you. Edwin Valero is 27 -0 wiht 27 knockouts. A 100% absolutely perfect record. Does that make him pound for pound a better fighter than your boy Floyd? Using your logic his record would make him the greatest fighter in history. Valero is good but he is not even in the same league as May or Pac at this stage of his career. Yet he has that PERFECT reocord. hmmmmm Posted February 6, 2010carlos carterRealisic, tell me this, Look at both fighters history, Who has Floyd fought compared to Pac. Posted February 6, 2010commonsenseTo Foreman, You are right. Watch Pac carefully over the next few weeks. See if you can notice his skin turning a tinge of green as he turns into the incredible hulk. Good observation. Any fighter can leap over tall building with a single bound. Lift up trucks with one arm. Can demolish concrete buildings with his bare hands. Too bad he never fought Tyson. With all that magic juice in him, he may just have killed him in the ring. So where can one buy this super performance enhancing drug that Pac is so obviously on? Obviously cannot be detected by a urine test. You know the Phillipines is famous for coming up with the best PEDS on the planet . They only give the best to Pac. He should challenge Hussein Bolt to a foot race. With enough of this stuff in his system, he would leave Bolt in the dust. While he is at it, he shoudl challenge Michael PHelps to a swimming race. It woudl be no contest. With this magic Phillipine PED special in his system, Phelps wouldn’t stand a chance. You know what I would really like to see though? If Mayweather is as great as he says he is, I would like to see him do an about face and say, you know what? Pac may have PEDS in his system or he may not. But I am so much better then him that I will fight him any which way he wants and he still cannot beat me. Forget about the Olympic style testing. The NSAC urine testing is fine with me. It was urine testing, not blood testing, that caught all the previous cheaters anyway. I will fight under the NSAC rules and I will kick his “punk ass”. If he were to do that, he would win over a lot of fans, myself being one. Do you really think, if it was Matthew Hatton he was facing instead of Pac, that Mayweather would walk away from $45M, even if Matthew Hatton demanded that, for a handicap, he be allowed to take as many steroids and PEDS as he pleased? Exactly. Posted February 6, 2010REALISTICThe ONLY perfect boxer in the world wether people like it or not is PRETTY BOY FLOYD MAYWEATHER 40-0 proves that he can fight inside,outside,on his toes, and stand in the middle and beat you to the punch. I KNOW PACMAN FANS ARE ABOUT TO SH*t a brick now but hey!! its the truth love it or hate it. Posted February 6, 2010carlos carterPac Man is not on steriods, look at Mosley. He knocked out Margarito. Because you develope power does not mean your on steroids. Holyfeild developed power when he went from light heavy weight to heavy weight with strength trainers. Who said Pac Man could not do the same. Posted February 6, 2010John SmithCotto Beat mosley Margarito’s whole game was walk forward take the shots because once you get through your hitting the other guy with a brick. Against Mosley without the brick he takes all the punishment and has nothing to hit him with, so it’s not much of a win. Cotto managed to get a decision against clottey fighting with one eye for almost the whole fight. Cotto was the better fight than Mosley for Pac to take. That’s just the way I see it I like all these fighter except Margirito. Hell I could probably beat Cotto if you gave me a baseball bat, but if you then threw me in against Mosley without it what do you think would happen. Does that make Mosley beat me meaningful? Posted February 6, 2010James Brown, Soul Brother #1And he also said “Jackson thinks that Clottey can take advantage of Pacquiao’s weakness for the inside game. However, for Clottey to be able to do that, he’s going to have to come forward” Nothing new, Cotto tried it……. Posted February 6, 2010jack floresAMIR KHAN COULD BE THE NEXT MANNY PACQUIAO IF HE WINS CONSISTENTLY WHOEVER IS OPPONENT. HE SHOULD BE BRAVE ENOUGH TO FACE TOUGH FIGHTERS IN THE RING LIKE MANNY PACQUIAO DID. PACQUIAO HAS A BIG HEART AND A FEARLESS BOXER ALTHOUGH HE IS UNDERDOG IN EVERY ANGLE. AMIR KHAN MUST EMULATE PACQUIAO IF HE WANTS TO FOLLOW HIS FOOTPRINTS. JACK FLORES jack floresWHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT MANNY PACQUIAO, IN ALL HIS RECENT FIGHTS, HE HAS BEEN THE UNDERDOG. THE FACT IS: OPPONENTS ARE ALL TALLER, HEAVIER EX-CHAMPION, CHAMPION AND TOP CALIBER CHALLENGER. PLEASE DON’T TELL SPECULATIVE REASON THAT IS NOT SUBSTANTIATED. REMEMBER HE IS NOT REFUSING. TIME WILL COME (IF HE IS STILL IN BOXING BUSINESS)that he fights MOSLEY. HE COULD HAVE FACED MAYWEATHER HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR THE STALEMATE. JACK FLORES lex_fugitiveThe bottom line is floyd is fighting someone Roach told was too good for Manny. Manny’s trainer knew he would lose to Mosley. Thats according to Manny’s trainer. Floyd is now fighting the man that was too good for Manny. Posted February 6, 2010lex_fugitiveClottey isn’t a titleholder or the top challenger. He’s ranked between 5-8 in the welterweight division. jack flores; Roy; lex_fugitiveWhy do Pacfans have to lie to back up their idol?? This is getting old, everyday, there are different lies by Pactards on here. Actually, Mosley does have a belt. Why do all Pacfans have to make up lies to back up their idol?? Mosley had a belt and was the #1 welterweight. He was #1 because Cotto looked shot after Margacheato and many felt the Mosley-Cotto fight could have went either way. Cotto looked like a shot fight against cotto, while Mosley looked like a top 5 p4p in destroying Margarito. Thats why Roach told Mosley he was too good for Manny. Posted February 6, 2010jack floresTO ALL DEBATERS OF BOXING: WHETHER PACQUIAO TAKES DRUG ENHANCER OR NOT, PLEASE DON’T CONDEMN A PERSON WITHOUT TRIAL OR DUE PROCESS OF LAW. HE HAS ALREADY FILED A DEFAMATION SUIT AGAINST PERSONS WHO ACCUSED HIM OF PROHIBITED SUBSTANCE TO CLEAR HIS NAME. BASED ON THIS LOGIC, HE SHOULD NOT HAVE PUT HIMSELF INTO SHAME IF HE IS REALLY USING DRUG BOOSTER AND AFTERALL HE IS FOUND GUILTY. PLEASE USE YOUR INTELLECT AND GOOD JUDGMENT. JACK FLORES roylex_fugitive cotto had the w.w belt and he beat mosley.mosley dont have no belt.I a fan of mosley,they will fight as floyd will lose ,watch. Posted February 6, 2010roywhat up with floyds accusing manny of gaining weight quickly,when he put on more weight in a short period.in 2 years floyd put 14 lb in two years floyd Mayweather, Jr. (USA); Belts: 130,135, 140, 147 & 154 * 1st Title: 130 WBC Super Featherweight Title 1998-10-03 Genaro Hernandez NV,USA W RTD 8 12 (8 consecutive) edPacquiao is BRUCE LEE IN BOXING!!! Posted February 6, 2010calok so then armstrong was on peds too! u know he owned his own ranch?. so he must of taken it right out of the horses he owned! john ur sarcasm has no facts! how bout may he came up and champed in 5 weight classes. just becuz someone does more than ur fave fighter dont make him a cheater. plus where were u with ur peds accusation before the mayweathers said it huh!? exactly! watching pacman fights. now hes accused and ur favoring the accusers. hey ill accuse obama for tampering with the votes in florida! jump on my wagon! Posted February 6, 2010lex_fugitiveI don’t find it odd Manny chose Cotto over Mosley. Freddie roach told Mosley he was too good to fight Manny. After Barrera-Morales 3, Manny could’ve given the winner, Barrera a rematch, instead he chose to face the loser. After, Marquez-Barrera, Manny could have faced the winner, Marquez, instead he chose to face the loser, who had barely gotten by Rocky Juarez before that. He could have faced the #1 welterweight in Mosley, instead he chose a shot Cotto. Manny could be fighting a top WW in Paul Williams, instead he’s facing a second tier opponent who lost his last fight. Besides Marquez Manny has never fought anyone that has looked like an elite fighter at the time. He’s consistently fought the loser of big matches and waited until the winner lost a step and lost to someone else. If Mayweather beats Mosley, and makes Mosley look bad, then we might see a Pacquiao-Mosley fight. Otherwise, no way does Manny fight either Mayweather or Mosley in the near future. Posted February 6, 2010jhon foremanDont make any comment on Pacquiao, he’s clean??????, the same thing with roach hes clean too??????. Clotey can not beat Pacquiao. Pacquiao has spead, he can take any punch, he has a stamina that could last one hundred rounds, as long as theirs no BLOOD TEST? no one could beet him, Thats why he became the only one who acquire seven belt in seven diff. division.Hell he could make 12 belt in manny different division. As long theirs no BLOOD TEST.He could beat Muhamed Ali, Tyson or The Clisko Brother.He could be the first Small guy to became a heavy weight champion of the world, as long theirs no BLOOD TEST. Posted February 6, 2010IsKaHahaha… He keeps writing about pac….loser…then deletes comments…double loser… Posted February 6, 2010SimonObviously, Mr Lahr(pronunce Liar)opinions and comments are hearsay and utterly devoid of facts. Have you actually watch Manny’s fights past and recent? If your are a keen observer, Manny destroyed almost all his oponents while they’re mixing it up or in a toe to toe situation. As an example, watch the Cotto fight. Cotto was drop with a right hook while they were exchanging punches, so was the second knockout in the fight, this time a left hook hit Cotto for good. To some degree, I agree with you that Pac is an in and out boxer but certainly he uses it to his advantage with bigger and taller fighters. But you can’t deny Pac is not afraid to mix it up. Posted February 6, 2010commonsenseSweet Sci: Thank you for that information. You know I wrote that about blood testing in the olympics not being used to screen for dope cheaters on another articlel I was posting to and some idiot replied by mocking me. I think he replied “and now you say tha tbat blood testing in the Olympics was used for health reasons and not for detecting doping? You are a joke LOL” That is what he wrote. What an idiot. Thank you for finally clearing that up. Posted February 6, 2010mr.sweetscicommonsense…..in the olympics, they prefer urine analysis testing over blood testing with regards to doping. blood collected from athletes for health screening only not for doping. Posted February 6, 2010mr.sweetscito all people that doesn’t like pacquiao, do you have anything else to say other than pacquiao is on PEDs? c’mon people grow up. it has been debated for a million times now. move on with your life. Posted February 6, 2010commonsenseMayweather SR. already admitted that Pac is too scary and powerful for his son to fight in the ring, but says it is becasue he is a cheater. So I don’t get it. If he is so afraid to face this current version of Pac, and if by some crazy stretch of the imagination, it turns out that it is all from natureal ability and not drugs, then all of a sudden he is NOT afraid for his son to fight him anymore? Does that make any sense? Posted February 6, 2010commonsenseMr Sweet Sci: Great comment. they were all caught by urinalysis. Really? Wow! That’s great. It is nice to read somethign factual and intelligent for a change. Someone else made a post that olympic style blood testing has NEVER caught a single athlete cheating before. Do you know if that is true? Posted February 6, 2010mr.sweetscianonymous…be patient. time will come. it’s already been filed but they still have to set a date if this is go to court. there is a possibility also that this can be settled outside the court. Posted February 6, 2010mr.sweetscirufus…by the way, all the names you mentioned were all tested PED users. do you know how they got caught? through urine analysis. did i say manny agreed to unlimited/random urine analysis? that’s right! Posted February 6, 2010Anonymouswhat ever happened to pacquiao’s lawsuit? I think it’s all propaganda. Posted February 6, 2010mr.sweetscim1….do you consider yourself a hard working individual? if you do, and you accomplished something that none of your co-worker has done it before and they think that your on something prohibited in your system and you know it that you have nothing to do with it and all it comes from hard work. how would you feel? do you also consider that manny’s power came from hardwork? please be honest to yourself. Posted February 6, 2010commonsenseMayweather SR. said that he is AFRAID for his son to fight Pac because he is AFRAID that his son wil get hurt, becasue he says that his son “is the best but even the best can get hurt fighting someone who has PEDS in his system”. He wants his son to fight the clean Pac, the toned down version without the help of all that dope in his system. THEN he says, he will no longer have any fear and his son will win easily. So he admitted he was afraid for his son too fight Pac but justified it that it was not fair because the Pac he is afraid for his son to fight, the one who demolished DLH, Hatton and Cotto, was a doped up phoney. A fraud. A cheater. Hugely unfair playing field. But if it turns out that this fighter, Pacquiao is real, that it really is hard work and great trainer and natural ability, then Floyd better find some kind of excuse to get out of that fight because he already admitted that he woudl be afraid for his sone to fight THAT version of Pacquiao. Posted February 6, 2010Ken D.You’re all idiots and know nothing about boxing anyway my knowledge of the sport is far superior to all of you. Idiots im the best person on this site. Posted February 6, 2010mr.sweetscirufus….didn’t he(pacquiao)agree to unlimited/random urine testing? you guys keep telling he refused any drug testing. don’t get confused with random drug testing from random blood testing. Posted February 6, 2010commonsenseThere is a new high tech urine test that just came out that is supposed to detect everything that a blood test will and then some and even do it with greater accuracy. If that is true, can we all put this blood testing debate to bed already and just let the new high tech urine test reandom and unlimited with not cut off restriction and just make the fights the fans all want to see already. All sports should have an even playing field. It is unfair to single out Pac when there is not a shred of evidence oother than Mayweather Sr says so and “nobedy can be that good without taking some kind of drugs”. Just becsue Marion Jones and hte others tested positive it is very unfair to use this kind of “evidence” to denegrate all of Pac’s accomplishments by saying he was on drugs. Have you seen tyson’s body in his prime? HIs punching power could “kill someone in the ring”. Marion Jones was on somethign. Tyson must have been too. “Nobody can be that good” Posted February 6, 2010JwillRufus and M1: Much respect. Excellent points. I agree with you both. Posted February 6, 2010commonsenseM1, fair enough. We can all debate till the cows come home who was right or wrong in the drug testing. Mayweather for having the audacity to make these unprecedented demands which scuttled the fight or Pac for refusing them. Again, either Pac is on PEDs or he is not. It is one of the two. No in betweens here. And you are right. It now seems that half the boxing community thinks he is and half that he is not. All started from a comment by May SR. The power of suggestion. Wow! And let’s look at the evidence. The only evidence is the AWE that everyone has in what Pac has accomplished. NOBODY CAN BE THAT GOOD. HE HAD TO HAVE SOME ILLEGAL HELP! That is the evidence? Wow! OK, fair enough. But my point is that Mayweather SR is convinced that Pac is on somethign and that being said, if afraid that his son will get hurt if he fights someone with all these PEDs in his system. He feels his son can whup any fighter in his division in the world, but even “the best can be hurt if he fights someone who has an illegal and unfair advantage like that” SO HE IS ADMITTING HE IS AFRAID OF PACQUIAO, RIGHT? He justifies it by saying that the Pacuiao he is AFRAID OF is a fake. A doped up phony. He wants Pacquiao to cleanse himself of all the PEDs and steroids before he fights hie son. Then, according to Sr., let’s see how well a toned down clean Pacquiao will fare against his super figher son. RIGHT? So he concerned for his son’s health safety and welfare to fight the Pac we have seen in the last few fights (becaue no one can be that good and that Pac has to be a fake_). He feels his sone would be “PUTTING HIS LIFE AT RISK” to fight such an man with such an uneven playing field. Pac’s refusal to submit to May’s unprecedented demands (or May’s refusal to accept the NSAC rules like every other fight in the history of boxing in Nevada -dpeending on how you look at it) was either because he has drugs in his system that cannot be detected by urine and cannot be detected in an after the fight test OR for other reasons. It is one of the two right? Either he is afraid of getting caught or he has nothing to hide and he doesn’t want it interfering with his training, etc. etc. Right? SO IF IT TURNS OUT THAT HE IS NOT HIDING ANYTHING AND HIS REFUSAL TO SUBMIT TO THE MAYWEATHER RULES THEN HE IS STILL THE SAME FIGHTER WHO MAYWEATHER SR ADMITTED HE WOULD BE AFRAID FOR HIS SON TO FACE, RIGHT????? The only difference is that Pac would be a phenom, a once in a lifetime fighter, instead of an ordinary fighter who only got to where he is by cheating. And if it turns out that he is real, all of a sudden Mayweather SR. is not afraid for his son to face this scary monster of a fighter anymore? Does that make any sense? Anybody ever test Tyson Olympic style testing before? How else do you exlain his unnatural punching power. Have you seen his body in his prime? The guy was like the incredible hulk. Must have been the steroids. Posted February 6, 2010Rufuscommonsense–the name doesn’t fit. “mayweather needed an excuse to get out the fight”…like “i’m afraid of needles, blood sampling weakens me” boxer 101Pac has leaped 4 divisions, correct. Although he weighed 130, 135, 138, and 142/145 on weigh-ins, Pac still weighed the same on the night of the fight 145-148. What’s that have to do with roids? Roids cannot improve your skills: Watch Mosley Delahoya’s 2nd fight. Mosley performed better on their 1st fight. Posted February 6, 2010boxer 101I thought Cotto has the tools to beat Pac, Cotto has the better tools than Clottey. The only thing Clottey has against Pac is the size advantage: a really big one. Clottey is a big welterweight. They may end up 10 to 20 pounds apart on fight night. Posted February 6, 2010M1No fighter since Armstrong has gone through the divisions like Pacquiao. No one has put on as much weight in such a short space of time and carried their power up through 4 weight divisions inside 2 years. Its a perfectly reasonable suspicion for Floyd Senior to have especially considering his son’s potentially putting his life at risk every time he steps into a ring. Its not like he’s alone – half the boxing fraternity have their doubts and Manny didn’t do anything to help that viewpoint by refusing tests. Posted February 6, 2010Optimus PrimeIt’s about time all athletes whether professional or amateur should undergo olympic style drug tests. It doesn’t matter that it was Mayweather who bought it up. Those who refuse to undergo these tests should be treated with suspicion and be banned to perform further unless they comply. Posted February 6, 2010commonsenseLet’s follow this one step further. Mayweather Sr. is convinced that is on something. His evidence? His evidence is that Pac has become so AWESOME in the ring that it is unnatural considering where he came from. Then he said that his son is the best by far but “even the best can be hurt if they are facing someone who has illegal performance enhancing drugs in his system. So he is convinced that the Pac who destoyed his boy Hatton and who walked right thru Cotto’s punches in blowing him away, was a doped up Pac and he is AFRAID FOR WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN TO HIS SON if had to face such a doped up monster in the rignt. He is convinced that Pac only is so scary and imposing because of these drugs and he is afraid for his son if he had to fight on such an uneven playing field. Conclusion: He admitted he is afraid for his son to fight Pac and he justifies that fear by saying that Pac is a fake and that nobody can be that good. So guess what? He painted himself into a corner. Because if it turns out that Pac is NOT on PEDs (that IS a possiblity to all you die hard Mayweather fans out there), then he is STILL THE SAME FIGHTER THAT MAYWEATHER SR. ADMITTED HE WAS AFRAID FOR HIS SON TO FIGHT! The only differenc is now his son would have no excuses and would have to spend the rest of his life being called a coward if he still refused to fight him. Get it? Posted February 6, 2010commonsenseThink about this one. Pac is what he is. He is either on PEDs or he is not, right? Either way he still is what he is. IF he is on PEDs he is a phony fighter too. A fake, in that case to be sure. But he is still a scary imposing fighter, albeit a fake on in that case, who probably would not be anywhere near as intimidating if he were not on those drugs. Now let’s take the other scenario. Let’s say he is NOT on PEDs. Guess what? He is STILL the same fighter!! ONly now, in this case, he is NOT a fake. He is real! And he is a phenom considering what he has done in the manner he has done it. So Floyd Mayweather are you saying that you are so terrified of losing your 0, or worse yet scared of getting seriously hurt and so you do not want to have to face anyone who has the advantage of performanc enhancing drugs in his system so you want to make sure he is clean for your own safety before you will agree to fight him, right? ok, makes sense. But guess what? HE IS THE SAME FIGHTER EITHER WAY. All you would get, in the miniscule chance that Pac actually tested postive (which if you think about it goes against all reasoning by anyone with a scintilla of intelligence) would be that the fight would be cancelled. But if he tests clean YOU STILL HAVE TO FACE HIM IN THE RING. It is the same Pac either way. So you are saying that you are afraid to fight him if the Pac we all have come to know is a doped up Pac, but you are not afraid to face him if it turns out he really is this phenom and is totaly clean? Does that make any sense at all? Posted February 6, 2010commonsenseRufus, it is not “Pac’s refusal to do random blood testing” shy that fight won’t happen. It is Mayweather’s insistance on thinking he is bigger than boxing and his insistance on making up the rules as he goes. It is Mayweather’s insistance on dictating his own set of rules and regulations that are unprecedented in the entire history of boxing in any weight division and that includes all of Mayweather’s 40 fights too. For some reason, he developed Pacman phobia for this fight. He needed an excuse to get out of it because the fans demanded it. Lucky for him he found his way out. Can you imagine if Ali demanded this nonsense of Frazier, they never would have fought. How about Tyson. Where did that superhuman punching power come from. Must be steroids. Did you know that Secretariat won the Belmont by 31 lengths? 31 lenghts against a field the best thoroughbreds in the world? Must have been steroids. How else do you explain that? HOw do you explain how the Saints made it to the superbowl this year considering their mediocre record just last year. THEY MUST ALL BE ON STEROIDS! Quick. Someone get over ther and subject these people to Mayweather style testing before the superbowl. How did Bob Beamon obliterate the long jump record by jumping 8.9 meters in 1968. Tahtrecord stood for23 years. Had to have been on some kind of performance enhancing drug.In fact, let’s go back and overturn every record in every sport up until the Mayweather commission redefined all of sports and just start all over because none of those records count anymore since how can we be sure the athletes were not all on PEDs since they were never Mayweather tested. All hail to king Mayweather The man who saved all of sports. (crowd cheering noise) Posted February 6, 2010JDPac has the speed and the power to dicate the distance, so he doesn’t have to fight inside. It’s rather silly to reason that Pac should have selected Mosley because Mosley beat Margarito and Margarito beat Cotto since Cotto beat Mosley convincingly. Posted February 6, 2010edy-torontoblah-blah-blah-blah-blah. Dave, you can go on and on about fighter’s imperfections/flaws forever. I agree that is true. Question? who in this world is perfect? JwillAnd before one of you fools say De La Hoya is american, I beg to differ. Yes he’s mexican american, but he’s MEXICAN biased, promoting only his country men in mexico primarily. His company, Golden Boy Promotions is getting a bad rep because most of his boxing shows are packed with a bunch of no name mexicans who can’t fight. Check the stats if you doubt me. Bernard is his partner so is Shane, but he does little to nothing to promote american fighters. American fighters under his banner get little to no air play. Tecate, Tecate, Tecate. If you to fight and move up, you better be mexican. Stop ducking americans chumps. Oh yeah that’s right, I forgot, he (De La Hoya) couldn’t get a win against a slick american fighter either. Yes, they robbed sweet pea whitaker! Manny following the same path as his idol remember? De La Hoya warned him, “stay away from slick american fighters. Smart way to stay on top. Posted February 6, 2010boxer 101And what the heck is this guy saying OninThis has been raised a million times… Almost everyone didn’t give a chance to Pacquiao when he fought ODLH. Hatton was undefeated at 140 when he fought Pac (at 140). Cotto came off from a win against Clottey. And with Clottey, who else do you suggest for Pac? Posted February 6, 2010boxer 101What a biased writer. You forgot to mention that Cotto was Mosley’s conqueror. I don’t think Mosley can match up well against Floyd either. But the best match up is Pacquiao vs Mosley… even that we can agree on. Posted February 6, 2010JwillPacquiao has not fought a top american fighter, (african-american or caucasion). No race has nothing to do with boxing, but different cultures bring different styles. Mexicans are were here made his name, (Morales, Marquez, Barrera, De La Hoya, Diaz) Cotto from Rico, and now Clottey from Ghana (who I pick to win unless Arum pays him to lose.) Let me see Manny fight a top american then he will be legit. Until he beats Mosley or Mayweather or even Luis Collazo, he’s just a conqueror of foreign fighters on american soil. I expect phillipinos to support their fighter, but you american pacquiao d**k riders make me sick. Posted February 6, 2010givemeabreakRufus says: Has anyone noticed a disturbing pattern…Pacquiao’s last four opponents, ODLH, Hatton, Cotto and Clottey were all coming off losses prior to fighting him? Things that make you go, hmmmm! Fighter of the Year beats up on beaten fighters! Fighter of the Decade whom we’d never heard of until he beat a dehydrated ODLH, hmmm! Rufus, Stop watching MMA and be a dedicated boxing fan so you can walk away with a little respect in forums like this. Hatton just came off a win against Paulie Malignaggi before fighting Pac. Cotto just came off a win against Clottey beofre fighting Pac. DLH just came off a win against Steve Forbes. DO YOU FOLLOW BOXING? Or do you follow it occassionally only? Maybe you didn’t mean what you wrote or you just can’t simply write what you mean. A little education should help you a bit. PEACE. Posted February 6, 2010MPThis is just one of stupid boxing writers that is very true every fighter has his own flaws. They make mistakes and errors just like human beings. Are you trying to say Mosley and Floyd don’t have flaws? Posted February 6, 2010zorro@Mytur bin Esdurrty, @Rufus Chicken Floyd of the same feathers flock together! LOL Posted February 6, 2010lifeintheringSean p xAUGUSTUSxWhy does everyone including other trainers want to see Pac’s downfall? Trainers and the whole boxing community has never been so jealous. It’s pretty sad really. Posted February 6, 2010Sean PWell I wouldn’t fancy fightin Pac-man on the inside, people are just trying to pick flaws and big up Clottleys chances, i personally think this will be overly one sided. Posted February 6, 2010lifeintheringOnin OninMayweather had been an excited fan of Pacquiao… Go check youtube for one of pac’s fight where FMJ was one of the audience. Posted February 6, 2010lifeintheringNow everyone is saying mosley is past his prime? Knew it. Hahah second floyd signs with mosley he is past his rpime always an excuse. Pac is not a goood inside fighter. He fights with his hands down after eveyexchange you can’t do that with an opponent like a shane or mayweather you will get caught. Every knockdown pac has had has been when he exchanged his and got caught cause his hands were down. Optimus PrimeIt wasn’t so long ago almost nobody doubted Pacquiao. Everything changed when he refused to undergo random blood tests. It’s amazing there are still those who are gullible enough to believe Pac’s ridiculous excuse that drawing blood will weaken him. Phelps was drawn blood in between winning two gold medals all in the same day. Posted February 6, 2010jackRufus tell that to the BWAA. and pac and floydie would not really fight, coz your boy will be smacked by mosley. get over it man. we’ve already moved on. Posted February 6, 2010Bobno thats a lie Posted February 6, 2010goodgriefactually pacman is a inside before roach train paquiao. roach train paquiao to be a complete fighter now . fight inside when it had chance. watch paquiao fights before being train by roach Posted February 6, 2010guestMayweather got scared after watching pacquiao vs cotto fights. Posted February 6, 2010RufusAnd, I don’t believe May/Pac will fight! Pac will fight Mosley in keeping with his tradition of fighting losers of their last fight. More importantly, May/Mosley will more than double the PPVs of Pac/Clottey. Pac diehards can huff all they want, there is no demand for that fight, not in the US, among casual fans. Once the numbers come in, May will not agree to a 50/50 with Pac. Couple that with the Pacs refusal to RANDOM blood test up until the fight…May/Pac won’t happen. Posted February 6, 2010seanPacquiao had the chance to fight Mayweather? Well, Mayweather had the chance to fight Pacquiao either. Pacquiao’s fault was to intertain the idea of blood testing in the first place..instead, they should have it passed to the commission straight away..Floyd’s jr intention of cleaning up boxing from drugs? what a BIG HYPOCRITE and CHARLATAN HE IS..the FACT IS MAYWEATHER’S THE ONE USING PED to NUMB HIS GRITTLE HANDS..Mayweather doesn’t want to fight outside Nevada because it’s the only state that allows his DRUG USE to continue..Pacquiao? never ever ever ever been tested and he’s only been accused by a DRUG DEALER/USER.. Posted February 6, 2010Tbonewow my spelling was horrible…but you get my point Posted February 6, 2010Tboneage** Posted February 6, 2010RufusHas anyone noticed a disturbing pattern…Pacquiao’s last four opponents, ODLH, Hatton, Cotto and Clottey were all coming off losses prior to fighting him? Things that make you go, hmmmm! Fighter of the Year beats up on beaten fighters! Fighter of the Decade whom we’d never heard of until he beat a dehydrated ODLH, hmmm! Posted February 6, 2010Tboneanmikken or whatever, First and foremost, you’re def. going to wrong for the first time. Why? Because in the mayweather-mosley contract…if mosley wins, its an automatic rematch. soooo, sorry bud. Second, you say Mosley has all the advantages except weight? What do you mean by this? hand speed? accuracy? movement? stamina? defense? ALL of those favor mayweather by far. what are you talking about? the only thing sugar has over mayweather are the following…height and power. Though it will be a tought fight, Mayweather will come out with a UD. Then hopefully, the coward Pacquiao will actually fight…except dodging Mosley and Mayweather. Supposedly Arum has got him set up for Margo next. Arum is a coward. Posted February 6, 2010kentucky floyd chickenthat’s why i’m not fighting pac coz im afraid of him. i will fight him for the next five years. Posted February 6, 2010AnmikkimDon’t you worry, Pacquiao will fight Mosley. Pacquiao will surely beat Clottey. Clottey is nothing but a fighting statue to be destroyed by Pacquiao within 5 rounds. Mosley, if he fights the way he fought DLH, and the way he fought Margarito, will surely frustrate the coward Mayweather. Mayweather will have to fight otherwise he can no longer face his fans. He can only beat smaller boxers. Mosley has all the edge except age. See the tale of the tape. Its Mosely vs. Pacquiao after May 1, Mark my word. I have never been mistaken. IT’S MOSLEY VS. PACQUIAO BY AUGUST. Posted February 6, 2010Huhugeno comment, though your not good at all like a writer and one you deleted one of my comment about your being boxer hater. cazzzo.. Posted February 6, 2010jigsdave, are you the long lost brother of manuela perez? where is you brother now dave? hello Posted February 6, 2010jack@ sean those haters will always have all the reason in the world against pac. Posted February 6, 2010seanJackson said that Pacquiao has the chance to fight Mosley before the Cotto fight, but Pacquiao and his team selected Cotto to fight instead of Mosley for some reason…THE OBVIOUS REASON IS ABSOLUTELY OBVIOUS MR DAVE LAHR..SOME EQUATION FOR YOU TO SOLVE IF IN CASE YOU DIDN’T GET THE OBVIOUS REASON…if fighter A got to choose between fighter B and C where fighter B beat C, which do you think fighter A would choose..if you think C then i would advice to have your brain checked.. Posted February 6, 2010jackevery fighter has their own style. as much as every fighter has their own flaws. but the funny thing is, the fighting style that pac has brought him the boxer of the year award, boxer of the decade award and guess what, seven titles. hmm.. i think pac needs to improve more on that “inside fighting thing” for his 8th title. Optimus PrimeIt doesn’t matter if Pacquiao is not a good inside fighter. He will still destroy Clottey. He’ll just pump himself up PEDs. Posted February 6, 2010Oninyeah, right… and he’s fighter of the decade! Posted February 6, 2010Mytur bin Esdurrtypac haters unite, then jump off a bridge Posted February 6, 2010braguldoLet me add my two cents. how many fights did your top fighters fight in the last two years? hmmm…how many fights did Pacquiao have in the last two years? Why are your top fighters Mayweather and Mosley not fighting that much? Let me guess, they’re waiting for the big payday with less fight. That must be the quality of your great boxer. Posted February 6, 2010ALPacquiao will destroy clottey toe 2 toe not in and out Posted February 6, 2010Anonymouswinning and loosing is part of the game. It’s how the game get played. I know it’ll be an exiting fight from round one till the end. It’s the reason I love watching paquiao. It’s never boring. Posted February 6, 2010Matt PorterHe doesn’t need to be in all honesty. He fought Hatton – a very good inside fighter no matter what people say. And kept him at bay with blistering blows. He also took Cotto’s punches on the inside……..in fact he let Cotto bang away at times. Posted February 6, 2010marktell that to COTTO Posted February 6, 2010commonsenseDavid Lahr you are a boxing writer and supposed to be objective. So where do you come up with the comment that Pac “had the chance” to fight Mayweahter but the fight did not happen because Pac “did not want to have blood taken from him “FOR DRUGS” any closer than 24 days before the fight. So you are implying that he was ok with his blood being taken right up to the fight, JUST NOT FOR DRUGS, right? That fight did not happen because Mayweather didn’t want the fight at least not at that time and not without getting an uneven playing field like screwing with Pac’s training and prep for the fight. That fight did not happen becasue May decided he did not want to fight under the rules of the NSAC and that despite the fact that every single fight in Nevada in every single division fought under those same rules, all of sudden he wanted to make his own rules, the Mayweather rules and Pac refused to go along and allow him to dictate to him. Who is Mayweather that he all of a sudden, despite his previous 40 fights, that he picks this particular fight to become the savior of boxing and the champion of amateur (the olympics is still an amateur sport, remember) boxing. Oh that’s right. I forgot. All roads lead to Flory Mayweather. uh hun. Posted February 6, 2010ramseycan you name a perfect boxer? Posted February 6, 2010Ken D.NOT A GOOD INSIDE FIGHTER!!! ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND! He is all around fighter man! Look at all the frame by frame of knocked outs before you say something like that. When you check those highlights, you notice that his left upper cut is his strength that goes through the hand of the opponents and most of it are not seen because of it’s velocity. Rephrase the tile to “Pacquiao is not good canvass hugger” Posted February 6, 2010John Higgins“Mosley, for his part, has beaten Cotto’s conqueror Antonio Margarito by a 9th round stoppage in early 2009. Based on that win, it would seem that Mosley should have been selected by Pacquiao’s team to fight him, but for some reason Mosley wasn’t picked.” In the same token, Cotto has beaten Mosley in 2007. Following your argument, and based on that win, Cotto was the right choice for Pacquiao to fight, Not Mosley (who was also past his prime and shot). Get the drift? Posted February 6, 2010cocomotionTo answer your some reason question: I believe Pacquiao chose to fight Cotto because of money. Cotto has a bigger following, and is a member of Bob Arum’s Top Rank promotions. In addition Cotto beat Mosley. Roach also mentioned Mosely was too big for Pacquiao even though Mosely offered to go down to 140. Posted February 6, 2010 |
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