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Floyd’s decline revisited

A.I.

@everyone
you cannot trust these these authors, you cannot trust these articles, you cannot trust the commutators, you cannot trust the judges, you cannot trust the opponents and you most deffinitly cannot trust the hype. try very very hard to go by what your eyes see, concentrate on the fight and you will see the true winner. it helps to put the tv on mute. again you cannot trust boxing they make you see what you wanna see with just their words and a smile. like mayweather

Posted January 9, 2013  


A.I.

@BILLY
i accept your challenge, cotto rocked mayweather in that fight. he defended his belt successfully but hey when money talks bullsht walks. mayweather said it himself he got beat up. and as for that tout fight, i counted 7 rounds to 5 by cotto and i wasnt the only one. boxing trainers and experts counted the same. no one on this site can tell me nothin so dont bother debating you wont hear a reply cuz its not worth it. trout is very good it was a close fight but those judges should not be doing that job if they cant play fair. cotto needs to understand that they do not want him in boxing any more the only way he can win is with ko’s. again ya n i g g a h s aint telling me ish so dont bother

Posted January 9, 2013  


my suzie “q”

im not so sure if he is declining yet. You can never dodge all of the punches all of the time. When i watch fights i look for fighter ageing & if mayweather is showing it i must also be slowing down as im not yet convinced. But i will look at it in every fight he has. Now i clearly saw it with pac in the bradley fight ( & before ) & it couldnt have been made any clearer in his last fight. I thought mayweather still had brilliant movement ( body ) against cotto but i think he wanted to show the fans he could fight as well as dance & box. Now if it was he cant keep moving we will see that in his next fight & then i would agree with you, but as of now i agree with floyd where he said he wanted to stand toe to toe with cotto. I think he was stupid to do that & he should have moved all around cotto & bedazzled him but i think he wanted to prove a point to certain detracters from his accomplishments.

Posted January 9, 2013  


Rob Blakeman

Hi Rusty
From one Boxing News Writer to another-don’t even read what these people say beneath your article-I certainly doon’t! Engage only with people of influence and accomplishment. Some Moron calls you a name, worse, some cowardly anonymous moron rants at you!? Just write your articles, put them out there and know that real boxing afficiandos know that your comments and observations are relevant even if they don’t always agree with them. Anyone who attacks the writer rather than the article is beneath contempt.

Posted January 8, 2013  


jasonI

@duke, remember James Toney said he was born to fight , I agree a disciplined Toney would’ve been the best ever…

Posted January 8, 2013  


jasonI

@duke , Mayweather does have a decent but breakable chin, I also think broner will evolve into a Toney at some point , I think his Chin might be better than Floyds and he already struggles with weight. These guys have natural fighting instics that’s rare and they can box…

Posted January 8, 2013  


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

Yes. Floyd has declined but he’s’ still the BEST in the Sport.

Posted January 8, 2013  


REM

Yes Floyd has lost lateral movement and if he fights Pac or Martinez he will be thoroughly beaten. However he can shoulder roll righties for another 5-7 yrs.

Posted January 8, 2013  


Manito Martinez

What decline? HOW DARE YOU? You have some nerve to call out Floyd he has done nothing. Lmmfao, just kidding man, you’re absolutely correct, all fighters, will eventually age and/or fight longer than they should of. I agree when you say Floyd will never lose. His defense is outstanding and now when his body IS slowing down, is exactly the time when you need to depend on a superb defense in the ring. Because of that I believe he will always come out on top. Floyd had a rough career in boxing simply because he was unable (due to style) to create action packed fights, that as boxing fans go, is what the sport is all about. Most people who post on here only know Floyd from 06 to current so they didn’t really see him when he was pure gold untouchable. He has fallen prey to his own doing by being one of the best in the sport but falling short of memorable fights. How can that be? Because the only thing we see is the here and now never the then. Floyd’s KO rate dropped drastically since moving up and his disrespectful vulgar mouth surged up like a storm. That’s what has happened if Floyd had the ability to truly dominate fight the likes of Jones jr. It would be a different look on him. I agree he will and forever be superior. he just hasn’t had any memorable fights, that the average boxing fan would remember. I can’t think of any fight that would be a “classic” for Floyd. Which is too bad cause to the boxing purest he has had plenty which goes to show that most people on this site really see Floyd as a ducker, avoider, faker etc etc. I always ask the question to others who would you rather train and promote so-n-so or Floyd. The answer is always Floyd. What is wrong with being superior in the ring being able to execute the hit but don’t get hit ability in the ring. It’s simply because he can’t take full control besides in this manner. If Floyd was able to KO anyone anytime and fight so superbly that people think, why even put him in with any fighter? Floyd would be the greatest fighter of all time he would simply be another flamboyant fighter show casing his skill. This is the reason people don’t think highly of Floyd.

Posted January 8, 2013  


al bundy

like u said WHAT DECLINE….HES EVEN THE KING OF THE COMMENTS ON THIS SITE….THE ONLY FIGHTER WHO IS IN DECLINE IS PACQUIAO.. THE TITLE SHOULD BE “PAC-MANS DECLINE NO WAY BACK RETIREMENT IMINENT”

Posted January 8, 2013  


Duke

@jasonI
its funny that you brought the comparison with floyd and toney cause they both look weird throwing the 1-2 in an offensive stance from the outside. they both don’t use the jab to move in for the right hand so they end up reaching with the right and putting themselves out of position. toney had a granite chin so he was confident staying on the inside with bigger guys. i’m not saying floyd has a glass chin but he knows better than to take more than he has to. and toney was a master of throwing that right after rolling his left shoulder. floyd is not nearly as accurate with that counter. maybe its because floyd is facing faster foes than toney did at cruiser and heavy. i always wished toney kept his weight in check. the 219 toney that faced holyfeld would have been a menace at heavy. if toney had the discipline of floyd, he would have been the greatest fighter ever!

Posted January 8, 2013  


CHRIS WILLIMAS IDIOT

FLOYD IS A B0RING FIGHTER.

Posted January 8, 2013  


jasonI

@duke great point, I didn’t take Toneys weight and poor physic into consideration Mayweather doesn’t even put on weight between fights point taken on the cotto fight as well,as for Guerrero I think it’s an easy fight for Floyd,he will raise his elbow just enough to defend the Guerrero bumrush while landing short clean shots,after a few rounds Guerrero will break down and resort to getting slaughtered from the outside…

Posted January 8, 2013  


Elephant Boy

FLOYD CAN’T RUN ANYMORE, FOLKS! HE HAS BEEN FLAT-FOOTED IN THE LAST 5 YEARS. IF HIS OPPONENT PUTS PRESSURE ON HIM SO HE DOESN’T HAVE TIME TO ADJUST THEN HE WILL GET PANIC AND FRUSTRATED; WHEN IS PANIC, HE CAN’T FIGHT.

Posted January 8, 2013  


Trav

Don’t be sensitive to the responses man. Haha.

Posted January 8, 2013  


Elephant Boy

MAYWEATHER’S RIGHT SHOULDER ROLL DEFENDING AGAINST SOUTHPAWS HAS BEEN DRASTICALLY DIMINISHING. THAT’S WHAT I HAVE BEEN TALKING. LOOK AT THE PICTURE ABOVE. HOW OPEN AND POOR WAS THAT? IF COTTO WERE MANNY PACQUIAO, MAYWEATHER WOULD HAVE KISSED THE CANVASS AND COULDN’T GET UP.

AN OPPONENT LIKE MANNY PACQUIAO CAN THROW COUNTLESS PUNCHES IN THE CENTER OF THE RING AND HE WILL PRESSURE MAYWEATHER ONTO THE ROPES; ON THE ROPES, MAYWEATHER WILL BE FRUSTRATED UNDER PRESSURE AS ALWAYS AND HE WOULD BE THAT OPEN TO MANNY PACQUIAO. “STYLE MAKES FIGHTS.” THAT’S WHY TEAM MAYWEATHER NEVER WANTS A PIECE OF MANNY PACQUIAO BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT PACQUIAO HAS EVERYTHING TOOL TO BEAT HIM.

Posted January 8, 2013  


Billy

Cotto landed 5 jabs that entire fight I challenge anyone to prove he landed more. Broner does fight like a 36 year old Mayweather I wonder how he will look at Floyd’s age.

Posted January 8, 2013  


lol really?

I’ve always been of the opinion, that Floyds been saving his legs, why move around if you don’t have too…also Perish didn’t land anything of significance in thar fight, Cotto landed a consistent jab(which is Floyds weakness), and was more of a boxer than a straightforward fighter when they fought, Cotto threw a lot of punches that created crowd excitement, but slow down the footage, and you could see a lot of those punches missed…and against Mosley he was caught clean twice, the second being a bomb, that landed right on the temple, that would have floored most fighters

Posted January 8, 2013  


Superman

If you watch some of his older fights, you can tell the difference. He just doesnt move like used to. His legs dont have that spring that they once had. Trust me on this one guys. About 7 years ago, these clowns wouldnt even stand a chance, now I am giving Guererro a pea shot chance with Mayweather not springy. If he doesnt find that spring board for Guerrero it will be a very long nigh. Trust me……

Posted January 8, 2013  


Duke

@jasonI
i see floyd being a little more like james toney with the rolling and countering but i still see him moving more than toney did at 190. floyd still puts in the work so you’ll never see him out of shape. i believe floyd didn’t use his legs cause that means he’d have to beat cotto from the outside. and with cotto’s jab in full force, floyd wouldn’t have won that type of fight. he had to eat those jabs in order to get inside and do work. in guerrero, floyd will have a fighter coming straight in throwing bombs. just the kind of fighter floyd does great against. he’ll be throwing counter shots and hold his own roughing guerrero up on the inside. guerrero doesn’t have the jab to keep floyd honest. or the weight advantage to wear floyd out in the trenches.

Posted January 8, 2013  


Anonymous

The issue is as you said, his decline is overstated. Unlike a declining cotto or pac, a declining floyd–much like a declining bhop– is still not only an elite, but THE elite fighter. And thats due to stylistic differences between them. Sure, floyd used his superior physical tools throughout his career–and whereas his footwork has declined, his handspeed isn’t exactly sub par these days–but he is also probably the smartest fighter in the game. And as such he’s done a good job of adapting to his limitations. Does he intentionally fight toe to toe now? Nope. But he has sat down on his punches more, and made other slight adjustments that improve his game since he HAS to fight more toe to toe due to father time.

Posted January 8, 2013  


Billy

The writer attributes Mayweather’s decline to getting caught by 1 or 2 punches in a fight. What about the fact Cotto didn’t land a punch in 2 rounds in his fight with Floyd? Of course Mayweather is slowing down but it doesn’t mean he is on the decline. Floyd is adjusting to his age, unlike fighters like Roy who believed his reflexes would last forever. Why continue to move around the ring when you can make fighters miss you standing in their face? Use a better choice of words and people won’t criticize your article.

Posted January 8, 2013  


Edwin

Styles make fights. thats all

Posted January 8, 2013  


Mychael

The whole thing about FMJ talking about his health, was all for RBT and nothing more. When you look at the possible chance that, Cotto’s career was damaged by the loaded gloves of Margarito, and if Pacman was on PEDs buring the Margarito fight, and damaged his eye socket. And you go back and look at Ali’s fight with Liston with the stuff on his gloves to blind Ali during the fight. If all of these fighters were some how caught, before the act who knows where things would be. Ali still won his fight, but would Margarito have won if gloves were not loaded, would Margarito eye bone would have been ok, and he still be boxing today. or would Margarito be half the boxer he was with the loaded gloves? But with Mayweather declining, sure he has. But like the writer states who hasnt. But some of the things that did happen in the FMJ fights, were more of test the waters type stuff. And change his fights for more excitement. Now if FMJ was to pot shot these guys all night. The fans would start to boo and scream. i seen on this site alone, on how folks were saying his fights are boring. But boring is winning, and winning is good, and winning is great for FMJ with is unbeaten record, and his two titles in WW, and LMW.

Posted January 8, 2013  


IronChin

Reggie thx for keeping it real brotha :)

Posted January 8, 2013  


Reggie-J from California

The day Mayweather is done with boxing, is the day boxing lives again. If he didn’t live in Las Vegas he wouldn’t have it like he does, with insiders, payoffs, and much more than we know. I just can’t wait for the day the sport could be some what pure again, some what. Wake up and stop with Floyd hype, cause I can see though Floyd better than his own dad can (wait that isn’t saying much, but you get the drift), LOL, but really.

Posted January 8, 2013  


IronChin

Typical Floyd Fans who can never admit the obvious. Floyd is naturally bigger than Cotto you idiot fans. He has a longer reach and height than Cotto. Pac is the one fighting the bigger guys not Floyd. I hope Floyd fans are the next to go after Pac fans. Obsessive fans are the worse.

Posted January 8, 2013  


aqueous

Floydiots can’t accept the fact that FM has declined and is declining.

Posted January 8, 2013  


jasonI

@dad personally I NEVER JUDGE BOXERS OUTSIDE THE RING, I watch Boxing not people, if you want to judge peoples character and say you don’t like people you’ve never met stick with dr.phil. Besides your talking about two different guys with different SPECIFIC issues that were ten years apart , you should’ve stopped at Floyds a great boxer…or talked boxing.

Posted January 8, 2013  


Get a gift, Give a gift

Floyd was in his prime at light weight! He’s fighting bigger guys at 154, now he’s slowing down? At 147, no one can compete mentally or physically with Floyd. Let the haters hate. People will never be satisfied because they can’t bring themselves to appreciate greatness. Sergio Vs Floyd is what I think would be a good fight.

Posted January 8, 2013  


devilfishwaldo

Good article , however even at his ‘old age’ he’s still the best p4p

Posted January 8, 2013  


Art

@BXBorn&Raised!
- All I’m saying is that for the last 6-7 years, every opponent floyd has faced, has been looked as a mismatch by true boxing fans / Media before the fight even took place. For example, let’s look at Floyd upcoming fight. Who does he really have in front to choose from? Canelo or Guerrro. Do you really think these two real generate a threat? With so many guys out there, he lands on these 2. So now, from Canelo and Guererro, who do you think can “Maybe” and that’s a huge “MAYBE” give Floyd some trouble? Canelo, right? so why is Guererro still in the mix? This is all I’m saying, I love the sport, Mayweather is so great, he should be matched up with someone great!

Posted January 8, 2013  


montez

Its not that his ability has gone down he is still a great talent. That being said Its his own actions that make him weak. The fighters he picks and when he picks them is crap. No one wants to see him fight washed up fighters that are far past there prime. Any good cahmp can make washed up ,old retiring champs, and nobodys look like crap.Fight Ward beat him then he could be king again. He fall of the wagon and lost alot of fans and some that werent fans like me i wont pay to see him fight inless its agains Ward

Posted January 8, 2013  


Crusty

loyd isnt declining, wise up, the heavier you are the slower u get, for the weight class floyd is in or any weight class, he has been the fastest, and sticking a pic of him being hit is sensless, he has been hit flush in every fight like every elite boxer, and fighting flat footed Cotto u dont have to be leg active and bouncing here there, Cotto sayed It was hard to tag him, did cotto say that about anyone else no. you are now a writer, use your brains and do some homework.

Posted January 8, 2013  


WEAZY

GONNA PUT MY MONEY ON THE GHOST I HAVE A BIG FEELING HE WINS BY UD

Posted January 8, 2013  


jasonI

@duke, I agree Floyd was hit by cottos Jab and the reason it was effective was because he’s a natural leftie, his powers up front.also he’s a great fighter, when people say he looked bad against trout its because trouts size made cotto look bad he’s still very good.I see Floyd fighting like James toney in the future if he keeps fighting, less legs more rolling and countering. People that don’t know boxing cannot appreciate what REAL BOXERS do to shut guys down they think when someones knocked out it impressive. There’s more to it.

Posted January 8, 2013  


Gman

zdrx: Is this you keyboard name.. Ok I don’t know where you are from but I truly believe you are from the USA. The mirror that I am looking in and seeing a great athlete come in all colors and ethnic background. My to call a man ape or his race a demeaning name brcause he is great tells people how little you are. People like you are the reason you have to embrace Mayweather for standing by his values. Arum get no money from him period unless its on his terms. You FM fights as a african American and a proud man. Yes he make mistakes we all do but give him the respect for being a fighter who did it his way. Now time has proven waht his been telling us from the being he is the Top Four fighters whoever lace the up period. He skills will be copy but as we all know in life nothing is like the FIRST and in that mirror that Zdrx peaks of he see the wealthest fighter who ever live. (Made more money than anyone in boxing.)

Posted January 8, 2013  


smooth

rusty you are at it again silly rabbit/everyone knows we all get old common sense/floyd faught at 154 with bigger gloves now that says alot to help you out a little bit /father times catches all of us thats nothing to write about /but fahter time has caught up with your articles

Posted January 8, 2013  


trinidad

as a mayweather fan I have to say its a good article. the only thing I do not agree with is the mosley fight. reason being is because you taking a few punches that landed and saying that would never happen. if you go back on fights like the zab judah fight and when he fought castillo or hatton he got caught and almost stumbled a bit. the point im making is he will get hit from time to time so just because mosley caught him doesn’t mean much because its a fight and you bound to get him of cousrse. now with that said I will say against ortiz and cotto he did take some shots that he usually will have avoided years earlier. he has declined a bit because he is older and doesn’t have the footwork and reflexes he use to have. but wow he is still great and the smartest fighter today and will probably not lose and his 80 percent as you say is better than any boxers 100 percent as we saw that in the cotto fight. mayweather fans that say he isn’t declining a bit have to be kidding themselves. because he is a bit but is still the best…

Posted January 8, 2013  


don barron

broner wouldko floyd today

Posted January 8, 2013  


TMT

Shut the f up u moron mayweather is the best no1 will beat him u wld just love to see him lose at the end of the day. The guy hasn’t even fought yet an ur saying he has lost it cum on man give the guy a break u retard. Why wish the guy bad no point wait till fight nite ever fight he has b4 it use say mayweather will lose well guess wat he has proved u wrong 43 times keep wishing a wipe

Posted January 8, 2013  


Keith

Everyone gets old, however every boxer gets hit no matter how good they are. Floyd slower or not the sport will miss him when he is done.

Posted January 8, 2013  


BXBorn&Raised!

@ Art

Why dont you name one thats in his class,FMJ is 35 almost 36 so if he was to lose to one of the upcoming fighters and they reach a 43-0 record they will be faced with the same situation at that point.No fighter in this day and age will fight everybody in their weight class.He came from 130lb to 154lbs,it will be absolutely dumb to take a chance at 160lbs at his age.Young fighters always beat the old fighters,look at the history.But right now,until he loses he’s the best in his weight class.

Posted January 8, 2013  


Duke

floyd always had problems with foes that have great jabs. it was cotto’s jab that gave floyd trouble and also was the reason cotto landed the occasional right. plus floyd was fighting a naturally bigger fighter. floyd has no business fighting at 154. floyd had trouble with oscar at 154. was anyone saying he was in decline then? if floyd fights guerrero at 147, he’ll be back to his normal self. this decline talk has everything to do with cotto’s greatness more so than floyd slipping. you can talk about how austin trout took care of cotto with ease but trout is a bigger fighter than floyd. if floyd was 5’11 and had trout’s reach, he would have done the same thing to cotto. my argument doesn’t mean floyd will have trouble with canelo. canelo is an unproven product whereas oscar and cotto were seasoned vets when floyd faced them. canelo has never faced a master boxer and class will show when the two face in september.

Posted January 8, 2013  


Bamboo

The only genuine criticism I have of Floyd Mayweather Jr is that I really think he should have been more active in the past 5 years. That’s it.

Posted January 8, 2013  


Nationvegas

Cali Boy – i think that Broner although he has great potential is going to find it very very hard to replace floyd at the top of the P4P tree….why? because Ward i think will get there first and we all know how tough it is to knock someone off the top spot. Its almost as if you cant earn the top spot when you get to number 2, the man at the top has to screw up and lose it to be relegated for you to steal the number 1 position.

Posted January 8, 2013  


Nationvegas

Mayday42 – well said! people will use any reason to blast an elite fighter if they cant fault the professional performance or if they feel their own hero is substandard to them. Its not just Boxing i suppose, it does happen in every sport the world over. Boxing is just more noticable because its one man that takes the full force rather than a whole team of them.

Posted January 8, 2013  


zdrx

floidiots think in terms of fantasy…of cartoons. they believe floyd is peter pan …straight from mayneverland. they don’t live in reason and logic…make believe is their reality. they have this childish illusions that floyd is their redemtion… so they never grow up. when pacman came into the scene…they view him as a threat to their hero…and they blasted him with insults. you can’t blame them. they been hurt every time they face the mirror…with an ape staring back at them. so they chose to live in fantasy…to ease the pain. so let them be…and just be ready for an avalanche of insults from them.

Posted January 8, 2013  


matt jeremy

CALI BOY SOUNDS EXACTLY LIKE A PERSON WITH A VERY SHORT D I C K ”

Posted January 8, 2013  


Timmy

Mayweather will probably never lose if he keeps from dangerous fighters that pose a threat no disrespect to Floydvcos he’s a great boxer he’s not the fighter he was if he carries on boxing he eventually lose he needs to retire he has nothing left to prove but lifestyle won’t let him so we’ll have to wait and see

Posted January 8, 2013  


Mayday42

Cali boy name me one fighter between lightweight and light welter who can beat Broner. Ok, ok I completely admit the dude is a certified D-bag, however, much like Floyd his skills are what pays the bills. And much like Floyd, people have nothing to say about his skills so they resort to his personality. Lame

Posted January 8, 2013  


Art

All i want is Floyd to be matched up against a prime Top level Champ. Is that too much to ask for? Who has Floyd faced that the “True” boxing fans saw as: “REAL THREAT, IN THEIR PRIME, REAL QUALITY CHAMP” BOXER/FIGHTER??

Posted January 8, 2013  


true

@ RAPID…About career defining fights? What you on? he doesn’t need to prove anything against those 3 fighters. May is supposedly fighting Guerrero next in May and Alvarez in September. Start preparing what your excuse will be when he makes them look stupid in the ring. Now! About Martinez, I don’t see no one pushing Pac to fight Martinez. Martinez fights at middleweight for crying out loud, Mayweather at welterweight and only fought twice at super welter/junior middle weight in very tough fights where he gave his opponents the advantage (Oscar and Cotto)Now you say Martinez. Do you think of what will happen when Martinez rehydrate till fight night? It’s understandable if you hate Mayweather but I don’t get why you want to KILL him?

Posted January 8, 2013  


Manny P

I guess we will know who declined the most if Floyd and Pac fight. Agree with the author, no human being can defy time and age is catching up on this two. I still wish that before these two disappear in oblivion, we will have a chance to see them fight and even in their old age know at least who is the best.

Posted January 8, 2013  


Mayday42

I am a very hardcore Floyd fan and I have come to the conclusion that father time is indeed catching up to Floyd. His layoffs and lifestyle aren’t helping the situation, either. Look Floyd is in an era where there is not a fighter on this planet who possess the skills that he does, and that’s not saying that he cannot be defeated. Anybody can land that one punch to put a 1 in the loss column for Floyd. It’s his dedication and preparation that continues his career. His training regiment is second to none, his ring generalship is eclipsed by nobody, and his ability to adapt to styles can earn him a W against anybody. That’s the difference

Posted January 8, 2013  


Cali boy

No that wanna be Floyd Adrain Broner might take mayweather’s
place,i wish Floyd stayed in the game. Broner is 10x more
of a dum f..u..k than Floyd. Can’t stand Broner.Broner is like
a circus boxing clown who tries but ain’t funny.

Posted January 8, 2013  



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