Arum worries Pacquiao-Marquez 5 bout could end up with fewer PPV sales it takes place outside U.S
February 11th, 2013 | 
By Chris Williams: Manny Pacquiao doesn’t like the idea of having a huge portion of the money he makes for his fights to be taken by the United States government in the form of taxes. With Pacquiao making millions of dollars from American boxing fans on pay per view, he reportedly loses 39.6 percent of that from taxes. To avoid that, Pacquiao wants his next fight, which possibly could be against Juan Manuel Marquez, to take place in one of the Asian countries.
Arum told Yahoo News “Manny can go back to Las Vegas and make $25 million, but how much of it will he end up with – $15 million? If he goes to Macau, perhaps his purse will be $20 million, but he gets to keep it all, so he will be better off.”
Arum says it won’t necessarily mean more money, though, given that the fights outside of the U.S make less money on PPV for some reason. If that’s the case then Pacquiao won’t be better off by taking the fight outside the U.S to one of the Asian countries because not only will the gate be a lot lower than it would if the fight were staged in the U.S, but then there would be less PPV money.
I don’t know that I buy what Arum is saying about the PPV money being 50% less. Why would it be any less if the fight is going to be marketed the same way by having tons of commercials on HBO and other channels to advertise the fight, as well as Pacquiao and Marquez traveling from city to city in the U.S to promote the fight. I think it would do just as well as before.
If Arum, Pacquiao and Marquez are able to skirt the U.S taxes by taking their fights outside of the U.S, while still selling them to Americans, this could lead to other fighters doing the same in the future. This in turn would be a crushing blow to U.S gambling cities, Las Vegas, Nevada and Atlantic City, New Jersey.
It paints a bleak future for these gambling cities if boxing promoters are able to get around taxes by taking fights to Mexico or Asia, yet still getting money from the U.S fans through PPV.
Arum says they’ve gotten the most out of the American market, and he feels that can branch out to the Asian markets to see how they’ll do there. However, the big money will still from the U.S, so there’s no change there.
Pacquiao might not have too much time left in his career to escape U.S taxes because he’s getting beaten, then who in the U.S is going to want to pay to see him fight? Arum is going to have to downsize the quality of his opposition to keep him winning or he can putting him in against quality fighters and watch the numbers drop off slowly with each loss. If Pacquiao keeps getting knocked out, then the gravy train could end suddenly for him and Arum.
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Well, it doesn’t matter where PaCQUIAO fight will take place… being the only world boxing icon of this era…
…it might be in Oslo, Norway, in Monaco, or it may be in Brisbane, or in Madagascar…
…in Tibet, or in Falkland Island… in Antigua, in Baercelona…
…anywhere, in all parts of the world is suited for him because he’s our only boxing icon of this planet…
When pacroid gets KTFO again with whom ever he fights pactards are going to be confused and stunned because they don’t know sh!t about how boxing goes and probably try to gather up more excuses it’s going to be like what happened to Roy before they figure it out
heres a damning fact … floyd gets acused of 3 yes 3 positive tests called a cheat he hides ? , someone says floyds going to a nightclub when he aint ? then floyd comes ou of hiding getting lawyers invoved , wtf ,,, if thats not a sign of guilt ?
Y all this bashing to pac? … someone who continues to give gud fyts to fans … Floydiots shud go bak 2 ther caves and STFU until their farud boring coward idol anounces his next cherrypick fight
Everything leads to Manny
@manny fraudquiao
It’s so obvious as how you feel guilty (Floid is actually the one using PEDS and not Pac). Based on general psychology, your offensive attacks to an innocent Pac are red flag signs of a guilty person addicted to PEDS.
pacquiao got 900,000 ppv buys for bradley. a fighter no one wanted to see in his hometown mind you. he’ll do good numbers no matter who he fights or how long in the tooth he is.
Manny’s Bio:
1. Early in his career he was getting beat and knocked-out.
2. The middle of his career he won moving up the weight-classes on PEDS.
3. The allegation comes.
4. Afraid of being caught, starts looking bad trying to fight without the PEDS.
5. Currently, he is back to his old self of getting beat and knocked-out.
Numbers 1 and 5 are the real Manny Pacquiao
Actually, PPV sales in the US would still be taxed by the US government, and I’m not aware of any country that has zero income taxes. Rather in the US, Dubai, or the Phillipines some government is going to get some money. And all US PPV sales will be taxed the same regardless of where it takes place.
@ChickenLeggedPretentiousFloyd
What’s your point, Xylocaine is not an illegal substance. Not only Mayweather but Delahoya and a whole lot of other boxers have been known to use it. Pacquiao probably uses it also. All it does is numb you hands. It does not give any advantage to the user; in fact, it puts them more at risk of suffering a serious injury. Mayweather like Pacquiao has passed every post fight drug test, so where is your proof that Mayweather is on PEDS. If anyone is on PEDS, its Pacquiao, the one who refuses to take the test. Mayweather has done it for his past 3 fights. How many for Pacquiao. NONE!
My thoughts are that Pac and Marquéz knows that they’re career coming to an end and they want to pocket as much money as possible. I can understand Marquéz wanting to do his last couple of fights some where’s else especially Mexico due to his age, he’s starting to see the light on the other side of the tunnel. Pac never had a problem until now. Maybe, been knocked out made him feel far from home and feels he’s not the fighter he used to be. Considering retirement is on his mind.
I say fight one more time in the USA before making the decision of fighting some where’s else.
The truth is, no matter the fight will be held whether Dubai or Asia, the PPV will still be huge. Both fighters have huge base fan all over the world. Only haters wants the fight failed in terms of PPV but whether they like it or not this will be the only exciting fight of 2013 if it happens? The rest would be too boorrrriiinnggg to watch.
Marquez can make over $5,000,000 fighting other fighters. Have Pacquiao show how much he can do on pay per view without Marquez or Mayweather and then we’ll see him and Bob Arum come back to offer $25 million to Marquez. Same goes for Mayweather. If he fights anyone not named Canelo, Martinez or Pacquiao, he will have under half a million ppvs without Canelo as an undercard.
I also like the fact everybody talks about the MGM being a sellout at $10.8M. Guess what, Manny bought $1M of those tix, almost 10%,plus there were 908 comps. Find a new market Bob!
Ole Bob is trying to find a market for Manny, PPVs are slipping bad. He says JMM IV did 1.15M, not official from HBO though. We all know Bob lies, a lot, especially about numbers. Best guess, subtract 15-20% from the 1.15 and we’ll likely get the true PPV #, less than 1M.
@ChickenLeg: Good point. Do you mind sending me a link where I can read about Floyd getting caught 3x positive on PED, please? I wanna show it to my Floyd fanatic friends.
if the ppv numbers are low, its because everyone knows marquez is better than manny. and he’s not one of the best fighters anymore. so go ahead and fight overseas.
@Foreal
Stupidity! You will never stop your accusation to Pac on PEDS w/out a proof or link. But, there are proofs your coward idol injects Xylocaine, snorts, chews, and caught 3x positive on PEDS. No wonder, Floid rushed to settle the defamation case to avoid scrutiny to prove he’s clean to justify his accusation toward Pac on PEDS.
Arum need to retire along with Don King.
Pacquiao’s biggest mistake in life was hooking up with Arum. The bond between them is like someone who has sold their soul to the devil in exchange for something. When Pacquiao had his chance to leave Arum, he didn’t. It’s as though Arum is holding something over Pacquiao and Pacquiao knows it. Could it be Arum’s knowledge of Pacquiao’s alledged PED use that Pacquiao dosen’t want to get out, or maybe Pacquiao feels indebted to Arum for all those pre-arranged titles for vacant championships at catch-weight against washed-up Top Rank stablemates forced to fight at a disadvantage to Pacquiao. Yeah, he owes Arum. Now that he’s at the end of his career with no money, he wants to fight overseas to save on taxes. Bet Pacquiao wished he would have accepted the $40 million from Mayweather.
If you ask me, I like Obama’s tax plan, rich people have to pay more tax and poor people pay less tax, I’m not affected for that tax plan. only rich people are mad.
You get what you sow. Pacquiao sowed PEDs, and he ripped his gift a hundred fold. There is never going to be a win or a KO that will counter that…nothing!
Ohhhh…Pacquiao, I knew his ending would be bad, but I never thought it would be this bad. Now even the venue is a problem?
Have the Marquez Vs Pacquiao 5 in Dubai….
won’t have to worry about taxes over there… and the fight will be huge…
Pacquiao might be good for two or three more fights but he own one province as a Congressman and his wife soon to be a Vice Governor, groom to be a Governor after three years, there’s a lot of money in politics if he is corrupt, hope not. lol
Buboy swallowed all Pacquio’a money!
if he fights outside the USA it will be in obscurity trust me he needs the American public
@ JOAQUIN
you left out alot of other stuff. you said manny gets 25 million and gives 10 in taxes but it doesnt end there. how about paying bob arum ? how about paying freddie roach ?
how about paying alex ariza ? how about paying his advisor michael konz ? then you have buboy and just how many burgers does this guy eat ?
as i have stated before manny pacquiao will be just another broke azz fighter fighting into his 40′s to survive.
Pacquiao has faught in the USA all his fights that really count, it is were he has made his money…what the herck is Arum and the midget talking about?
Pacquiao is finnished gentlemen, he is just but a shell of his old self.
Christine Williams are you still angry that Manny forced you to abort your baby? Don’t worry honey there are lots of great fighters out there Chances are one of them will find you attractive. Try Floyd he’s been dumped too by 50 cent
This floydiots looks like Floyd don’t pay taxes, If Floyd earned $40M a fight, $15M goes to Federal tax, $2M State tax, $5M to GBP’ $5M to Al Haymond, $2M to Ellerbe, $2M to Roger, what’s left for Floyd, $10M, then he have to pay his lawyer, losses from gambling, Floyd end up broke!
LAMBORDIT I don’t hate Manny” it is that careless / reckless style that I never liked. it is amazing how year after year no one could figure it out. but then came Marquez. Manny has always been easy to hit and now five people have been able to prove it . just think all along the remedy to beat Manny was simple, just hit back ! no matter how much a fighter moves around, he has to stop to throw a punch; and when he does ”WHAM” drop him just like Juan did……
These are the last kicks of a dying horse. It is finnished, gentlemen…it is over.
pacquiao is 10 million dollar man. from mayewather
pacquiao highest earn money is 25 million dollar, 40% percent goes to taxes, 10% goes to freddie roach 8% percent goes to his adviser, assistant coach and other dogs around him, 7% goes to alex ariza, and 30% goes to arum’s pocket.
mayweather would have offered him 90/10 because pacquiao losses his 2 of his last 3 fight, it should be 3 of his 3 because he robbed marqeuz in pacquiao marqeuz III.
PACQUIAO A WORLD ICON.EVEN HE LOSE THE FIGHT HIS FAN NEVER LEFT HIM.BCOS HE IS GOOD PERSON.WHY YOU HATE THIS FIGHTER.
It is very sad, Pacquiao is ending the exact way I said he would. Anybody bothers to remember?
HE TURNED DOWN 40 MILLION FOR THE FLOYD FIGHT NOW HES MOANING ABOUT TAX PAC RETIRE MATE EVERYONE HAS SEEN THROUGH YOU BUDDY
I FIRMLY BELIEVED EVEN IF THE FIGHT TAKES PLACE EITHER IN ASIA, MIDDLE EAST, EUROPE OR THE USA THE AMERICAN FANS WILL STILL PAY TO WATCH PPV OF MANNY VS WHOMEVER, BECAUSE NOW MORE THAN EVER PACQUIAO HATERS WANTS HIM TO LOSE AGAIN, OR PACQUIAOS DIE HARD FANS WANTS HIM TO AVENGE HIS EMBARASSING DEFEAT IN THE HANDS OF AN AMERICAN AND A MEXICAN.
A MESSAGE TO MANNY DONT LOSE THIS TIME AND SURELY YOU WILL NOT HAVE ANY MORE FANS LEFT, SOME FANS ALREADY SHIFTED TO NONITO DONAIRE THE NEXT BIG THING IN BOXING!!.
PAC-MAN STOP GIVING ARUM AN ROACH 30% THEN YOU IDIOT
Pacquiao, the seismic detector. Pacquio can make a better ‘land mine’ detector than a a top P4P boxer.
willi ams, you should be proud of donaire for accepting the rigondoux fight instead of trash talking again
The plunked Pacquiao and the old fool. Were else can you make money if not in the USA?
Top Rank is more negotiable than silent Schoefair and Deaf Scared Floyd is like talking to a brick wall.
..the Old scum bag…and the hype job.
Atleast Floyd is sincere. He has said it all his career, he needs to make money, he comes first and the rest follows. He is not a hypocrite like Pacquiao who wants to put up a fake face.
How come Pacquiao is now a business man like Mayweather? How come he fights for money now?
Pacquiao will be remembered as a highly hyped boxer that refused to take RBT and was knocked out cold by Marquez. That is very very clear.
Well i be f….d chris you have actually put a picture of pacquiao up that doesnt show him layed out or sittingwith bloody face. How long will this last.
Arum is not worried it will be a BLOCKBUSTER.
for real you mongol, if its only pac who can sell tickets then why didnt he take the rematch clause ( which he put into the contract ) when he was beaten by bradley. They tried to tell us because people wont pay to watch bradley they will only pay to watch pac. Now you say they wont pay to watch marquez ( who knocked pac the fcuk out ) but will only pay to watch pac. You are a typical thick pinoy. None of you idiots have a brain between your ears, you have rice mixed with balut. You know nothing about anything. tell me what job do you do & i will ask you a few questions. I bet people like you were saying when pac was fighting marquez its easy for pac marquez is no good, then bam its lights out pacquio, the resin snorter became true. None of you could see the writing on the wall as you are so dense. I bet you really do all think the central message of buddhism is every man for himself. & just to let you know buddhism isnt a vietnamese or thai dish.
Arum I think has more business knowledge about boxing than you Chris Williams – lol. It makes sense, it doesn’t matter if it’s marketed the same way, the patriotic American public feel more drawn to something if it’s deemed a national event. If it’s taking place in Macau Americans will feel the event doesn’t belong to them and most will not watch. You just have to look at the sports that most of the world watch and Americans do not because it’s not exclusively theirs – football(the real kind) and rugby for instance whereas things like American football, baseball, ice hockey, basketball is almost exclusively an American thing.
If you take the event away you will get less of the “I wouldn’t mind seeing that fight” fan switching off because a) it’s not held in the US and b) neither fighter is from the US so it’s a case of “Why do we care”…
MANNY CLOWNQUIAO
On the recently-concluded Ring Magazine poll on “Who will be remembered after their career is over?”, Manny Pacquiao topped the poll with 46.7 percent, followed by Floyd with 23.4 percent and Juan Manuel Marquez, third, with a measly 10 percent. Hopkins, Jones Jr and others were last. It only shows that using PEDs coupled with a lucky punch doesn’t make you great.
And by the way, Pac is still the cash cow, lucky punch does not put Marquez in a position to demand higher purse. He can’t sell a ticket! He knows the only way he was able to defeat Pacquiao was through PEDS hahaha….
let the yellow rat fight in asia he always now fights smaller fighters so who cares. Im just happy i saw a lighter mexican who is almost 40 years old knock him the fcuk out. Is he awake yet, well wake him up tell him he has a flight booked for china. Im wondering if he wants to go back on the roids as its easy to pay these asians off. Lets see, but ill never get another ppv to watch that yellow rat, & neither will most pinoys as the government will provide free viewing of his fights in most areas, i would have loved to have been at one of those & saw them all crying as he was ko’d
Finally a good article……Arum and Manny are full of storys every time they have a new concern coming up, Manny should split the purse 50/50, fight in the states since thats where all the $$$/promoters/sponsors are. And if he does not want to then, fight in ASIA or where ever and take the risk of having less sales etc…
But they should leave all the bull and small details and focus on the fight,since that is the important thing.
Manny coming in as the loser ,i dont think he should be so picky after all there is 2 people in this fight.where is Marquez opinion in all this.