Pacquiao: My fans thought I won; Unfortunately few others agree that Manny deserved the win over Marquez
November 13th, 2011
By Dave Lahr: WBO welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao (54-3-2, 38 KO’s) is celebrating his victory tonight over Mexican Juan Manuel Marquez (53-6-1, 39 KOs) after beating him by a 12 round majority decision on Saturday night at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Nevada. It’s hard to see what Pacquiao is celebrating because not only did the ringside crowd boo the decision nonstop after the decision was announced, but fans elsewhere around the United States strongly disagree with the outcome of this fight.
The ramifications for this decision is going to make it difficult for Pacquiao to make a fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr. because there is clearly unfinished business with Marquez. How Pacquiao could move on after a win like this would be hard to imagine, but that’s likely to happen. He did that before the last time he fought Marquez and won a controversial 12 round split decision in a fight that many boxing fans saw Marquez winning by at least two rounds. I had Marquez winning by a couple of rounds myself and couldn’t see how Pacquiao was given the decision. Further, I don’t know how he could live with himself and move on to other fighters with a win like that. But that’s what he did. Pacquiao fought a whole bunch of mostly Top Rank fighters for the past three years since he last fought Marquez and that’s probably what we’re going to see here.
Already, Pacquiao’s promoter Bob Arum is getting WBO light welterweight champion Timothy Bradley ready to face Pacquiao next instead of putting Pacquiao back in with Marquez. But I think it’s going to be hard to sell a fight between Pacquiao and Mayweather with Pacquiao having been exposed by Marquez again. Pacquiao simply didn’t pass the Marquez test, so there’s no way he can move forward to face Mayweather. Marquez was a guy that Mayweather easily beat in 2009, winning all 12 rounds of their fight. Mayweather passed his test, but Pacquiao failed miserably. If Arum had faith in Pacquiao, he’d put him back in with Marquez, but we’re probably not going to see that happen. Marquez came too close to beating his meal ticket and if not for some very odd scoring in this fight, we’re probably looking at Marquez winning the right by at least a 9 rounds to 3 score.
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The Marquez camp thinks they got robbed. But in all honesty, they did not. Bottom line is Pacquiao threw more punches and landed more. Not much more but enough. If you are the contender and you want the belt, you will have to do something more than keep the fight close. Everyone that has watched boxing for many years know that the judges will never give the contender the win by being mediocre. It was a mistake for Marquez’s trainer to tell him that he was winning before the last round. He should have told him that it was too close to call and to give it all you got. Bad couching, or just big headed?
Manny is the champion so if Marquez want to win he needed to be the aggressor he to chalence manny but he is fear with manny.
I enjoyed this fight….fans of both these fighters. Pretty evident what Floyd would do to manny now though.
Just read Marv Dumon!
I am Filipino, and I believe that Manny “Pacman” Pacquiao clearly lost.
im not a pacquiao fan but i think he won a close fight and i don’t understand all this drama. look just at the stats he trew and landed more normal and power punches.
Pacquiao- the greatest boxer of all time. Period.
Where are the Filthypinos now. Licking their behinds?
Why are these lil chorizos pickin on Pacquiao? It wasnt him who had the last say, it was those 3 judges. Only way we’d ever be convinced if we see Marquez knocked Pacman down. Since this will never be happened I suggest you’all lil chorizos should zip it!
i cant wait to see what mayweather has to say about all this
The most anticipated fight is MAyweather against anybody but Manny, who is not in Mayweathers league.
His fans also believe he won the other two fights. They are in denial.
Mayweather is the P4P king and should quit wasting his time entertaining a fight with PEDquiao because he is a fraud. Let Arum go ahead and match PEDquiao up against Bradley, who cares, it would just be another fixed Top Rank event.
i seriously cant believe there are people here defending pacman and saying he won the fight, you are totally insane and have no understanding of boxing
so when you are able to showcase your opponents weakness then that itself tells you won the fight? i thought this one is boxing, not a chess game.
marquez won last night by exposure. he didnt even need to bloody up manny like he did in the first 2 fights, he just exposed him so much that manny must of thought he was fighting naked. pac looked like the amatures i see down my local gym. pac must of cried himslef to sleep last night. did anyone see jinkys face when they read the results?…..LMAO!
@mi verga
manny knocked down marquez 5x on their 3 fights and won 2 out of 3, plus 1st draw was due to a judge incorrect score tally. is that what you mean of manny failed to beat maruez 3x? marquez will always be a hard trying sore looser.
no, its not the end for you pac fanatics, manny will retire shamed, knowing he failed to beat marquez in the three time they fought, regardless of how it is on paper, history will remember what really occurred, and Marquez will go down as one of the greatest pugilists to ever lace up the gloves.
no, sorry you pac fanatics its not the end of the story, sadly for you schmucks the story ends with pacquiao retiring, and shamed.
Manny won end of story
@Billy
thats if FMJ will fight Pacman even just once..
Manny Pacquiao just earned himself a 25%-30% share of the purse in a Floyd Mayweather Jr. showdown.
JMM and FMJ will beat Manny Pacquiao every time. If they fought 10 times in a row, they would beat Pacquiao 10 times in a row.
IT WON’T BE CLOSE WITH FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR. FMJ WOULD STOP PACQUIAO BY THE 10TH ROUND!!!
Manny Pacquiao has “ZERO” boxing skills.
MARQUEZ won the fight period. Don’t hate on him it’s all over the world boxing news he got robbed and Marquez will always be better than pacquiao
Marquez got robbed big time and who cares about judges numbers arum bought them and to the people that think Marquez didn’t win you all are some ignorant people even when all the people booiiing on pacow
Pacfans remember what did i told you guys ? Marquez was gonna teach pacquiao another boxing lesson ,and indeed thats what happen. another ‘Gift’ Decision for Pacquiao. Bob is the mobster here by paying the 3 American judges,and the HBO announcers. Marquez won it! and he got robbed by the 3rd time. More shame to the USA really bad ruling.
I guess being real on this amature means you can’t get posted?
check this video on youtube!!! or click the boxing video at the top
Pacquiao vs Marquez 3 Fight Highlights: Pacquiao beats Marquez, pacriods vs floydiots next!!!!!!!
as Floyd fans always saying “people lie but numbers don’t lie”
Is it not fans and friends who see the close rounds in favor of thier fighter.
Looks like manny catched more weight than he could handle.
I don’t really care who won and who lost. One thing the fight showed us was Pacquiao did not really improve. He is a product of good marketing and masterful cherry-picking.
Don’t buy the Pacquiao fights in the future. Let’s see how much money Arum can make only with the Filipino community.
I WILL NOT STAND HERE AND HAVE MY ABSOLUTE HERO BE DESICRATED BY IDIOTS WHO KNOW F ALL ABOUT BOXING. PACQUIAO WAS THE WINNER, THE JUDGES SAW IT I SAW IT WE ALL SAW IT OK END OF
Now, I hope the Pacfans can open their eyes and see that they were blinded by the light. Arum has pulled the sheet oever their eyes by putting Pacquiao in with sloth slow, old. neaten, broken fighters. They chose JMM thinking he was old. But…OOPS!!! JMM is a more skilled, and more technically sound fighter than Pacquiao! I have said this all along, Manny Pacquiao is a B- to C+ fighter.
JMM EXPOSED PACQUIAO….BADLY EXPOSED HIM!!!
FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR. WOULD ANNIHILATE PACQUIAO! EASY WORK!!!
oh my god, now i hate pactards more!!! How can you say JMM showed now skils? The man was perfect!!!!
If JMM had no skills, then Manny was at home singing in his backyard!!!
marquez didn’t show to win the fight, no skill
Lots of people saying “look at compubox” what you think Arum and CO cannot tinker with the compubox? do you remember the big big ripp off with chavez jr where compubox had him landing 50% more punches? which was totally BS!!!!
Really no point in arguing, manny fans eventually will repeat to themselves manny won until they actually believe.
Manny??? The Aggressor? Where? JMM was stepping in the whole night, preventing manny from getting in reach distance!!! Really i hate manny fans!!!
I said this yesterday that pacman can’t handle counter punchers and it came true yesterday if JMM could make pacman look so ordinary what would PBF do to him and PBF made JMM look ordinary and beat him every round with a round 2 knockdown.
I will have raiders gear
@here the thing
Deal I will come down later.
I sat at Section L, lower level. Where did you sit at?
If you wanna meet me, come to Fleur at Mandalay Bay. Ima be there with some real knowledgeable boxing people today for brunch.
Here the thing
Where did you sit at?
I am in at the cirus cirysnplaying blackjack, you want have breKfast and talk boxing?
devil says “Haha there was a survey on ESPN on who they thought won the fight tonight and 76% of ppl in the nation believe Marquez won”
100% of the people who voted were either Pachaters, floydiots, or maytards.
On another note, there was also a survey immediately after the floyd-ortiz fight and 85% of the ppl in the nation believed floyd cheap shotted ortiz because he feared he was about to get KTFO by Ortiz since Ortiz began to put pressure on Floyd in the 4th round.
LOL @ Dave ” the LIAR ” Lhar
last time it was a SD this time a MD no need for another fight with Marquez cos he beat him better than the last time
ITs IN THE RECORD BOOKS
Hey Verga…
If Pac got beat down, how come Pac landed more jabs, more power punches, more punches, and was the aggressor the entire fight?
contestame payaso.
Hey verga…if Pac got beat down…then how come Marquez had a completely swollen right orbital bone and a partially swollen left cheek bone? Meanwhile, Pac’s face was CLEAN except for a cut that was OFFICIALLY CAUSED BY A HEADBUTT??
Contestame idiota.
this is obviously the biggest fix ever i dnt think im gona watch boxin nemore whats it worth stayin up til 6am watchin one of the finest boxin performances iv ever seen in marquez at 38 yr old and to see a decision like that thers only one answer fixed. all you pac fans shut up an watch the fite he got battered an mayweather will do the same
Tell me Pachaters….since Pac struggled to win against Marquez and all of a sudden you’re 100% sure Floyd will beat pac because you clowns think Floyd is better since Floyd dominated JMM while Pac struggled, then tell me…
HOW COME MOSLEY GOT KTFO VS FORREST WHEN MOSLEY KNOCKED OUT THE MAN WHO BEAT FORREST TWICE?
Explain your logic. If you can’t prove yourselves to me, considered yourself STFO (Schooled the F**K out).
“he knocked him down four times” sure, and Marquez got up and beat pacquiao down. but hey ,you can always say he knocked him down 4 times if it make you fell better about manny getting beaten down like a two dollar filipino hooker.
move on to your life mr lahr…a loser will always be a loser..
Anonymous says “For the people who say well Manny had more punches connected. well what about their 2 previous bouts when marquez had way more connects in their 2 previous fights. you can never win with these pacfans.”
Because Manny made him kiss the canvas FOUR TIMES.
And in this sport, NOTHING speaks more volumes than knocking down your opponent.
And in this sport, when a challenger meets a champion…the challenger MUST TAKE THE FIGHT FROM THE CHAMP. And this is what Pac did to Marquez in ’08.
But did Marquez TAKE THE BELT from Pacquiao in 2011? I don’t think so. Marquez failed to put a hurting on Pac and Pac did just enough to secure the win.
So you’re right Anonymous, “you can never win” with these pacfans because once again, I just DISPROVED your logic.
I watched the fight again on replay! i’ts a close fight but since pac is the champ and the aggressor. he won the majority decision.
the boxer says “Marquez is old otherwise he would have easily beat Pacman.”
LOL … then tell me, how come Pacman made Marquez kiss the canvas four times and lost twice to pac when marquez was young?
@Devil…
you can run but you can’t hide buddy.
Funny how you got schooled in the other blog, and now you’re here tryin’ to save face.
Why didn’t you respond to my comments to you? lol
SCHOOL IS IN SESSION
You know it’s a hater when they say Pac lost the first 8 rounds of a fight. lol
You know it’s an idiot when you say Pac lost the fight “hands down”
You know it’s a f o o l who has never boxed before in his life when you say Pac got “beatdown” by marquez.
And you know it’s Hear’s The Thing up in dis b1tch when pachaters keep getting schooled like a m8thaf**ka.
The writer wants to say Floyd beat Marquez better yet the writer doesn’t have the balls to say that Pac beat Hatton, Delahoya, and Mosley better. One word: CLOWN
Keep d i c k r i d i n g Floyd, Ms Lahr.
Pac said after the fight that he will fight Marquez AGAIN “anytime”. Pac told Floyd after the fight “Let’s get it on”.
Pac ain’t scared of nobody dawg. And yes, he won the fight LOL
Keep cryin b1tches. And keep hatin’
How funny that all Marquez fans suddenly all became boxing analyst and judges. Let the fight result be. How can 3 different judges for this fight see it for Manny…one judge having it as a draw. The previous fight was also for Manny’s side. How can 6 judges be wrong. Just accept the result and move on!! I use to have so much respect for JMM, but after this fight, he’s nothing but a cry baby. Emanuel Steward said it all after the fight “Manny is the champ, and JMM didn’t take it from Manny. JMM Fought defensively. If you want to be the champ, you’ve got to fight to take it and JMM did not do that.” So for all you JMM fans…sure let’s do another 4th fight…then a 5th fight, and a 6th fight…let JMM keep fighting Manny until he gets a win, a pathetic win…just so you JMM fans can all claim that JMM finally won. What a pathetic bunch of losers all of you JMM fans. Just like your idol JMM…all f***ing cry babies. Leave the judging for the judges.
Pacman = easy fight for Floyd Mayweather.
i better stop crying otherwise they will call me sourgraping…..hahahahaha….
For the people who say well Manny had more punches connected. well what about their 2 previous bouts when marquez had way more connects in their 2 previous fights. you can never win with these pacfans. sure I like Manny Im a big fan and I’ll be on his side if he faces Mayweather but he didn’t win tonight
Marquez once again made pacquiao look like an amateur.
pacman made it.. it should not be a split decision..but should be unanimous..he connects with good power punches although not enough to put marquez on the floor. also pacman played as the aggressor.. if marquez wants to win.. he should not be lazy jaz standing and waiting for punches to counter punch,remember pacman is the undisputed champ.. you want to win over pacman?..then go for him ..hit and hurt him ..
A win is a win. If you want to defeat somebody, prove it that you can dominate him, but if you punch and run, you don’t prove anything.
i thought it was a draw. Marquez is old otherwise he would have easily beat Pacman.
Well, Dave, Pac threw more punches and landed more punches, that was the computer punch count results. If you follow that then Pac won, as far as living with himself, I guess if Floyd can live with himself on how he won, so should Pac.
as a boxing fan not a fan of both of them…..neutral! it was a close figth and I a saw it as a draw. I saw lots of fights, if you’re a challenger you have to convince the judge or knock the champion. So if it is a close fight usually the champion wins.
Hahaha its funny how pacquiao is not even proud of his own victory well not really a victory Marquez was robbed big time
go mayweather pacman is very easy to beat .. go
Go Mayweather … Manny is very easy to defeat, he was exposed by marquez.. go floyd our hero … go hurry .. lets all cheer up .. floyd is going to beat manny pacman..
go Floyd Mayweather .. go .. thanks to you Marquez for exposing Pacman ..
cry baby cry. full of jealousy. not blind but illusionally blind….. bwahahahahaha……………!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah 76 % of people have brains.
Haha there was a survey on ESPN on who they thought won the fight tonight and 76% of ppl in the nation believe Marquez won, even some idiot pinoys I met at the place I was watching the fight tjough Marquez won
no. im pacquiao fan but i know he(pac-man) lost ds fight!!! he enter round by round but his hands is off.
Now I think to call boxing. casino. Always the house win no matter what
Pacman got christmas early
@zxcv
I’m still have ur mama by my side u dog eating pinoy b##### stop jerkin off 2 pacquiao pactard
If Manny really looks so bad then it’s time to take the fight! Are you listening floyd? C’mon now is the time. Would you wait for a 4th JMM-Pac match to happen? Then, it’s pacquiao on the lime light again. And you, no one will notice you. No one will give a s*** about you. You don’t like that right? For people to make notice you’ll have to fight sergio martinez and that’s a riskier fight i tell you. So grab the chance now before arum snubs you again and let pacquiao fight bradley. Floy let’s get it on! Now is the time!
Pacquiao couldn’t hold his head up because he knew he was given the win instead of deserving it.
devil says:
November 13, 2011 at 3:40 am
Easy fight 4 floyd
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blah blah blah here we go again… easy and yet he won’t fight the man? coward? talk is cheap.
Why is zxcv pasting everybody’s comments is he mentally challenge or something someone call his NAni 2 get him off the computer its been 6 hojrs past his bed time lol
i think regardless of this result tonight which i thought was very close certainly not one sided for marquez as someone as stated anyway back to my point regardless of the result i think mayweather will be victorious against pacman too elusive and just all over better
PAC was bringing the fight to Marquez all night that lazy mexican didn’t do enough to win.
Easy fight 4 floyd
Michael129 says:
November 13, 2011 at 3:30 am
@ zxcv– You’re either in denial, blind, or can’t fathom that copy box is lying. From my point of view it was 2- 3 counters landed on Pacquiao for every 1 punch landed on Marquez… I don’t think I’m exaggerating either. Just be honest, Pacquiao lost this fight.
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Denial – a person who can’t accept facts.
Your opinion/Point of view < Facts
who's in denial now?
Manny Pacman was exposed with this fight, so Mayweather now can knock out Manny Pacman… Go Mayweather .. manny pacman is very easy to defeat .. you can beat manny so easy .. go mayweather go…
It amazes me how all the boxing analysts are criticizing JMM for fighting the same kind of fight they praise Mayweather for.
This was all about money, it wasn’t about who was the best no no no once again JMM won the fight but he isn’t as popular as Manny that’s why the judges did what they had to do. Don’t bite the hand that feed you.
Challengers win over champions by knock out or at least a knock down. Marquez has ,for 36 rounds in the ring, has never knocked down Pacquiao. I believe Pacquiao won the fight, just not in the way that we are used to.
At John, every time that Pacquiao tried to flurry, Marquez would make him miss– also, that’s how he exposes himself to counters.
Pacman won via a very close fight. That is what the judges saw. If most of the boxing fans disagree then let change boxing by letting all the boxing fans be the judges thru online voting.
but for now, we must be contented of the 3 judges.
Pacman can move ahead of this fight since its only a game where Pac earned a whooping 22 milyon dolyares. Where are you Floyd ?
don’t hide your tail and have balls to fight Manny coz Manny has been exposed.
You coward.
Marquez connected punches at a higher rate Manny threw more punches like an idiot but landed less, got 2 say if Manny has this kind of performance against Floyd he would be destroyed fact
im filipino and i believe manny pacman would agree that he was not able to hit marquez that hard. To me Marquez wins by score. this is the first time i was like saying pacman use your hand, you know he cant hurt you, why not throw a lot of punches? i wait and wait until then manny did not throw more as i was hoping.
@ zxcv
No I didn’t ur mother did 4 me
First time the drug cheat faces a fighter who wasn’t totally finished or was skill-less. We see that he is a big zero!
just face it it was marquez’s night. the 2 other fights were close. marquez should have sealed the deal in the 12th that Prob cost him but it was his night and he did win and Pacman got exposed
zxcv says:
November 13, 2011 at 3:22 am
Actually you are the blind one to rely totally on Compubox..it’s not about the total of punches thrown..its about how they are thrown through the rounds. Pacquiao’s majority of punches came within the last 3 rounds. For a fight where he clearly lost seven before that, I don’t think that qualifies as a win.
“@all
How did Marquez won the fight? Compubox check please?
Pacquiao has thrown 578 punches connecting 176 while Marquez had it 436 connecting 138. Pacquiao threw 304 jabs connecting 59 to Marquez’s 182 with 38 connects. Pacquiao threw 274 power punches connecting 117 while Marquez threw 254 with 100 connecting.
Blinded A**Holes!”
devil says:
November 13, 2011 at 3:28 am
Lmao 38 marquez out box pacquiao again hahahahahahahahahahaha
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Did you do your own compubox scoring?
@ zxcv– You’re either in denial, blind, or can’t fathom that copy box is lying. From my point of view it was 2- 3 counters landed on Pacquiao for every 1 punch landed on Marquez… I don’t think I’m exaggerating either. Just be honest, Pacquiao lost this fight.
i must disagree with the majority, first off i didn’t think manny looked good and i must say he didn’t win by 116-112 that judge must be banned from boxing.
i do think it was more like 115-113 it could be a draw it could be. i just don’t agree with people saying marquez won hands down etc etc.
from my perspective it seemed like marquez did land clean shots but not enough to win the fight. he landed alot on the guard of pac like the glove area or the elbows. pac landed more punches, not always as clean but he did landed the most punches.
ofcourse marquez and nacho claim he won the fight they have been robbed again. but that’s just ego talking. i’ve watched this fight twice now. and pacquiao won by a razor thin decision over marquez.
PACMAN WAS EXPOSED AS THE FRAUD HE REALLY IS…..
Lmao 38 marquez out box pacquiao again hahahahahahahahahahaha
Fight was very close, I would score it a draw.
Marquez definitely did not win enough as he is the challenger and he should show more aggressiveness.
Floyd should take that fight ASAP. he doen’t have to worry about manny being on anything. it wouldn’t help him. Marquez rocked him
@sebastien says:
November 13, 2011 at 3:21 am
floyd must be really laughing right now…..
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Oh look! Manny look awful against JMM! I’m gonna fight him now! You think Floyd will take the bait now? Or will he just take another vacation again?
@all
How did Marquez won the fight? Compubox check please?
Pacquiao has thrown 578 punches connecting 176 while Marquez had it 436 connecting 138. Pacquiao threw 304 jabs connecting 59 to Marquez’s 182 with 38 connects. Pacquiao threw 274 power punches connecting 117 while Marquez threw 254 with 100 connecting.
Blinded A**Holes!
floyd must be really laughing right now…..
judges 3 marquez o…hohohohohohohoho…caquiao=exposed!!!
I also agree 100%
robbery!!!!!! Markez clearly won !!!! but once again boxing is so corrupt!!!!
let them put caquiao vs mayflower…i want to see him badly beaten….i mean once again…hahahahahahaha
Mayweather will kill this pinoy punck.
I agree 100%
Stick a fork in Pac. He’s Done!