An in-depth analysis of Pacquiao-Marquez III, and who actually won
November 19th, 2011
By Anthony Lee: Many of those present at the MGM Grand Garden Arena during Manny Pacquiao’s latest win over Juan Manuel Marquez seem to think that Marquez was robbed of a narrow victory. There are several reasons for this.
Secondly, Marquez fans were more vocal after the fight than the Pacquiao fans, and for good reason. If you were a Pacquiao fan, you were most likely expecting Marquez to suffer a brutal knockout loss, or at least some kind of lop-sided decision loss. But if you watched the fight in its entirety and saw the Filipino champ struggle like he did for all twelve rounds, you might have been left a bit perplexed. Speaking for myself, though I did not expect a knockout win for Pacquiao, I was somewhat at a loss for words after the fight, as I was not expecting Pacquiao to have such a difficult time with Marquez this time around.
In addition, Pacquiao seemed to have a look of resignation after the fight. He wasn’t immediately celebrating, and he just looked like he was happy that the fight was over. Though this is certainly possible, I should note that for Pacquiao, this look of perceived resignation doesn’t necessarily reflect the idea that he thought he lost the fight. If you saw Pacquiao’s contest with Shane Mosley earlier this year, you might recall that Pacquiao had the same kind of demeanor post-fight that he did after fighting Marquez (and Pacquiao handed Mosley a very lop-sided decision loss in that bout). I suspect that Pacquiao’s look of resignation had less to do with the thought that he lost the fight, and more to do with the fact that he wasn’t satisfied fighting the style of his opponent. We saw this after the Mosley fight, and even to a lesser extent after the Clottey fight, where Pacquiao was mostly stone-faced and offered only a few forced smiles.
When analyzing a fight or a post-fight situation, one should appeal to reason rather than emotion, and not make off-the-cuff assertions without also looking back on what history has shown us. And history has shown us that Pacquiao isn’t necessarily stone-faced after a fight because he thinks he lost, rather perhaps because he didn’t enjoy fighting the style of his opponent.
Now, instead of using emotions and appearances to judge this fight, I will explain, using reason and statistics, why Manny Pacquiao defeated Juan Manuel Marquez in their last contest.
1. Pacquiao was the effective aggressor and displayed more ring generalship than Marquez. Part of scoring a boxing match has to do with analyzing who controls the center of the ring more often than not, and who pushes the action more. And in this last fight, it would be hardly contentious to say that Pacquiao both controlled the center of the ring, and acted as the aggressor for most of the fight.
2. Pacquiao finished stronger. Another important aspect of judging a fight is discerning which fighter finished stronger. And it is hard to make a case against the idea that Pacquiao took the last three rounds from Marquez. Statistically, he not only landed more total punches in these last three rounds, but he landed more power shots. Marquez, for whatever reason (perhaps because he was tired or thought he was ahead on the scorecards), stopped fighting in the last three rounds. He let Pacquiao shoot in, pepper him with shots, and then back out, largely unopposed.
3. Pacquiao landed more punches than Marquez. He not only landed more jabs than Marquez, but he landed more power punches as well. This is an objective fact, corroborated by the official CompuBox PunchStat Report.
But not only did Pacquiao land more overall punches than Marquez, he also won more individual rounds as well, and I’ll show you why:
ROUND 1: PACQUIAO. I scored this round for Pacquiao. Both fighters were feeling each other out, but Pacquiao was fighting a bit more intelligently and outpunched Marquez at 11 to 7.
ROUND 2: MARQUEZ. I scored this round charitably for Marquez, even though Pacquiao landed more total punches at 9 to 8. I scored the round this way because Marquez landed the better power punches and effectively held his ground in the center of the ring.
ROUND 3: MARQUEZ. Both fighters landed the same amount of punches (10), but Pacquiao landed more power punches. When the punch stats are even, I always value power punches higher than jabs, because they are more devastating, and they are more difficult to land. I still gave this round to Marquez because he held his ground and displayed crisp counter-punching ability.
*(I should note that at this point, many people could have easily scored the bout 3-0 for Pacquiao, but I was determined to give Marquez every benefit of the doubt in this fight, so I had it 2-1 for Marquez).
ROUND 4: PACQUIAO. Pacquiao landed more total punches at 15-12, and also landed more power punches. He also displayed more ring generalship than Marquez, and controlled the center of the ring effectively. There is no way this round could have gone to Marquez.
ROUND 5: MARQUEZ. Pacquiao was the aggressor and also outpunched Marquez 13-12, but I charitably scored this round for Marquez, as he landed the slightly more emphatic power punches.
ROUND 6: PACQUIAO. Pacquiao outpunched Marquez 15-10. He was the aggressor, displayed more ring generalship, and landed more emphatic power punches. There is no way this round could have gone to Marquez.
ROUND 7: PACQUIAO. Pacquiao outpunched Marquez 21-10 and beat him in every category. He also finished the round strong with a hard power shot that hurt Marquez. There is no way this round could have gone to Marquez.
ROUND 8: PACQUIAO. This is actually the first round that Marquez actually landed more punches than Pacquiao (Marquez’s 13 to Pacquiao’s 11), but Pacquiao finished strong and landed the more crisp power punches. Many boxing analysts (including ringside commentators Jim Lampley and Emmanuel Steward) thought Pacquiao won this round, as it seemed Pacquiao was able to hurt Marquez more.
ROUND 9: MARQUEZ. This was a very close round. Pacquiao and Marquez landed the same amount of total punches (17), with Pacquiao landing one more power punch than Marquez. Even though Pacquiao was the aggressor, I charitably gave the round to Marquez for his sharp counterpunching.
ROUND 10: PACQUIAO. Pacquiao outpunches Marquez 18-13 overall, and 13-9 in power punches. Marquez started slowing down and seemed somewhat tired.
ROUND 11: PACQUIAO. Pacquiao outpunched Marquez 18-13 overall, and 15-9 in power punches. Marquez became more sluggish, and his punches were sloppy and lacking precision. Pacquiao, on the other hand, seemed stronger, and his power punches were connecting with authority.
ROUND 12: PACQUIAO. Pacquiao outpunched Marquez 18-11 overall, and 10-6 in power punches. I don’t know if Marquez thinks he’s winning, or if he’s simply tired out, but Pacquiao was still energetic and was throwing the sharper, heavier punches. This might have been Marquez’s sloppiest round (his punches were wild, and he often found himself off balance).
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And there you have it. If we analyze this fight round by round, leaving aside our personal feelings on the matter, we will see that Pacquiao was the effective aggressor in the fight, displayed better ring generalship and held the center of the ring more often than not, threw and landed more punches overall, and was only outpunched by Marquez in a single round the whole fight (a statistical fact).
I scored the fight 116-112 for Pacquiao. Throughout the course of the fight, Marquez only outpunched Pacquiao in round 8. In every other round, Pacquiao either landed more punches than Marquez, or the same amount of punches as Marquez (which happened in two rounds). But because Marquez sometimes landed cleaner, more authoritative punches, I gave Marquez some extra rounds (2, 3, 5, and 9). But I don’t see how rounds 4, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, and 12 could have gone any way but for Pacquiao. All of the rounds I scored for Marquez (2, 3, 5, and 9), on the other hand, could have easily gone for Pacquiao, as he actually outpunched Marquez in them. At any rate, even if we charitably granted Marquez the first round, the score still would have been 115-113 for Pacquiao.
I think how the fight was scored would have been more evident to people if they weren’t previously acquainted with Pacquiao or Marquez. If these were just two unknown fighters making their professional debuts, I think the result would have been more clear to see; but because many people have come to expect so much from Manny Pacquiao, they ended up giving Marquez more rounds than he actually won.
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@andy
ur stupid. lee gave a lot of reasons why pacquiao won and being aggressor was just a very small part of it. who landed more total hits? pac. who landed more jabs? pac? who landed more power punches? pac. marquez only landed more punches than pac in one round out of 12. and if u watch the fight pac was made marq wobble a few times while marq only wobbled him once.
u r seriously retarded
Pac better do him self a favor never get in the ring with Money, because he is not skilled enough to fight May
This fight was a draw, I believe manny won there first encounter and Marquez won #2
# 3 was a draw, Marquez landed the cleaner punches, he had pac off balance all night, But Pac was the busier of the 2.
115 to 115 draw……….but boxing is a
business and now Arum is afraid if he puts manny in there with Money the gravy train comes to an end, Whatever
Re The Author,
So if a guy wins more rounds than an opponent he should lose just because he wasn’t stupidly aggressive??
What a BS article
marquez’s face tells evry one who won the fight
500% agree !!!
Well said..
Agreed. I’ve been coming on to this site every single day since the 3rd bout with Pacquiao and Marquez, and FINALLY, someone with boxing intelligence sees it the way I do as well. I scored this fight 115-113 in favor for Pacquiao. I watched this fight 3 times and scrutinized it carefully. Pacquiao outboxed Marquez much more convincingly than the first 2 bouts. He was much more tactical, conservative, and smart about his decision making and punching. Pacquiao won ALL 3 fights… the first fight was technically 113/112, but the first judge didn’t score the fight correctly. I think another fight between Pac and Juan would be fine, BUT after Pac finishes with Mayweather, Ortiz, and possibly Alvarez.
I watch pacquiao and marquez.just watch it in slow motion.and you people get the result.
dinamita copy and exposed the long shot of floyd is not effective to pacman. better try another one in the 4th.
Marquez won by his Dream.. Pac won twice thats the reality!!!
I suggest those who think Marquez won – to watch the match again and watch closely. Pacman made more connected hits on Marquez. This was obvious. While Marquez definitely made more connected “Foot Stomps” on Pacman’s right foot. My respect for Marquez is gone … either way, Marquez lost by points even though he boxed dirty.
manny has been exposed a million times. all his fights put together make the perfect recipe to defeat him. now, it’s even easier to beat manny because of this third fight. manny’s been exposed and everyone knows that a straight right hand, an uppercut, a body shot, and left hooks will destroy manny. yet, manny still stands. marquez is the main contributor to the recipe, but he can’t follow the recipe himself. i guess being a technician doesn’t require following recipes for success. no matter what people believe, marquez has come out a loser in every fight with manny. in their first fight, marquez figured out how to beat manny. yet there was a draw. in the second fight, manny didn’t fight as hard as he was more cautious and marquez had his number,yet manny got the split decision victory. in the third fight, manny didn’t look like the same fighter as before and marquez had his number once again, yet manny gets the majority decision. no knockouts for marquez after having manny’s number twice. if manny was exposed so many times, don’t you think marquez would’ve knocked him out by now? the only one who exposed marquez was floyd, exposing the fact that marquez doesn’t do well as the aggressor. well, in the third fight, he wasn’t the aggressor and still couldn’t follow the recipe that was mostly written by him. instead of following the recipe, he followed his trainer. big mistake. if marquez doesn’t knock out pacquiao in the fourth fight, he will still come out a loser even if he wins all 12 rounds. when you’ve exposed a guy that much, you have to be able to knock him out. if not, don’t spend time trying to convince people you have what it takes. everyone knows you have what it takes. people just want to know if you can follow a recipe.
Floyd is a genius, everyone was saying before the fight that he was stupid and that it was premature to announce his fight with pacquiao on may 2012 but he did it so that no one can say that he waited for pacquiao to look bad before he would fight him, pure genius. Mayweather wins by ko 9th rd.
lol, exactly.
He dragged a 38yo lightweight up to welter, failed to score any KD’s, got his ears boxed off, and escaped with majority decision.
That’s not a win, Einstein.
That’s a loss.
The best judge is the people… and the people already said we’re the winner…
What reasoning? Mexicans don’t need reason… if we think we won then we won… enough said… there’s nothing for us to prove because we’re the best…
watched the fight again without audio and in slo-motion.
it was clear that pac beat marquez by outboxing him
it’s a relief to read there’s still is a logical writer on this site like anthony lee , writing things with logical analysis.
marquez was beaten 3 times by pac….not even a draw
marquez whine’s everytime he’s beaten.
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But the rest of the world thinks Marquez won, so you’re in the minority. Pacquiao has an empty win and looks silly now.
count the number of punches thrown and landing, count them all one by one and you will see dinamita is losing. unless you do not know how to count.
I think Marquez won… Pacquiao has to knock Marquez out to won any match… all Marquez has to do to win a fight is just to survived… Pacquiao? who is he? Marquex? he is a mexican… and the best that Mexico can offer… Marquez rules… and anything that Marquez wants… Marquez gets… because he is the “DENAMITA!”
By the way, the dumb Marquez fans who try to pull the punchstats card for the first two fights fail to realize that Pacquiao knocked Marquez down several times in those fights, and knockdowns count as points too. There were no knockdowns in their third fight.
Another reasoning fail. Lmao.
You guys utterly fail at reasoning. Pacquiao only got outpunched by Marquez in a single round (a statistical fact). To this you respond by saying that Marquez landed more heavy shots. But actually, Pacquiao outlanded Marquez 8 rounds to 4 in the power punch department. He landed more jabs AND he landed more power shots. And while Marquez wobbled Pacquiao once, Pacquiao wobbled him three times. Study the stats and the actual fight footage. I shouldn’t have to draw you a diagram.
But blacks and hispanics never were very good at analyzing data. Just look at the line of reasoning they have to retreat to: “Pacquiao didn’t look like a winner after the fight,” “The poll says Marquez won,” “Because the crowd booed at the decision.” Hahaha. You fail at reasoning. You have to rely on what other people think (polls and crowd reactions) to explain why Marquez won the fight? LOL.
At any rate, the right decision was rendered, and that’s not going to change. Cry more.
gg
what he says is right to get the belt you need to be the aggressor..that marquez did not do..
a litle messge
marquez is a cheater
he drinks energy drink he step on the foot of pacman
and score is pacman punch more more more than marquez
marquez is a waste of time for pacman…pacman should not feel guilty because he really won that fight…marquez is a cryingbaby same with his mexican followers…move on all of you,,,losers,,,its not the end of the world.
i like this article because it has a proof of evidence that truly pacquaio winning the match.. thank and more power.
you gave 6,7,8 to pacquiao are you serious? marquez swept rounds 5 to 10 easily
Manny Pacquiao the king of catch weight. Could not beat an old, small fighter even when he try get the older and smaller fighter at a catch weight disadvantage. Pacquiao is and has alway been a fraud.
if manny was beaten, then who damage the face of dinamita?
THANK YOU ANTHONY LEE!!!! Read in weep JMM fans Manny WON,WON,WON!!!Got that. STop WHINING. And while your at it Grow Up. I think Juan is a baby the way he behaved after the fight. Come on, your supposse to be a PRO. I couldn’t beleive he walked off to go pout. Gimme a break.Maybe if his trainor hadn’t lied to him(your winning) he may have picked it up a bit.Marquez trainor SCREWED HIM!!!Really gettin olod JMM your poor thing. Always getting Robbed…blah, blah blah
“Manny Pacquiao has never faced a great fighter that still had it since the last time he fought JMM”.
Max Kellerman
THEY MUST BE OLD AND SLOW…
since when did floyd give a beating to someone who got their hands up?
try again, JACKAZZ…
Finaly, a writer with some common sense. You can’t argue with these facts. That was the best JMM iv’e ever seen, but he lost. Pac won.
you said:
DID YOU HEAR MANNY PACQUIAO’S ANSWER WHEN MAX KELLERMAN ASKED HIM WHETHER HE WANTED TO FIGHT FMJ?
NO CONFIDENCE WHATSOEVER…THERE WAS NO BASE IN PACQUIAO’S VOICE!!!
SCURRED…AND IT SHOWS!!!
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if you thought this was funny, then you must have been laughing your guts out when floyd said on national tv…
“and manny pacquiao yes ur next”.
“(ooops) aaahhh i never said that dont put words in ma’mouth”.
Manny Pacquio “in his underdog days”, beat marquez twice.
Now, Manny Pacquiao, “in his bad day”, beat marquez, AGAIN!
mexicans are tough, i admit, but i’ve never seen a mexican cry so much than marquez.
BUT THE WORLD KNOWS THAT ARUM AND PACQUIAO ARE SCURRED…
DID YOU HEAR MANNY PACQUIAO’S ANSWER WHEN MAX KELLERMAN ASKED HIM WHETHER HE WANTED TO FIGHT FMJ?
NO CONFIDENCE WHATSOEVER…THERE WAS NO BASE IN PACQUIAO’S VOICE!!!
SCURRED…AND IT SHOWS!!!
Well then have Manny Pacquiao get in there and make FMJ pay!!!
SCURRED?
DAMN WELL SHOULD BE…
MANNY PACQUIAO IS GOING TO TAKE A BRUTAL BEATING!!!
you said:
FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR. IS WAINING PACQUIAO!!!
IT’S NOT NICE TO KEEP HIM WAITING!
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what’s he gonna do, go on another vacation or lose interest in boxing?
DD.
how does it feel to wait, beetch?
DD
“Manny Pacquiao has never faced a great fighter that still had it since the last time he fought JMM”.
Max Kellerman
you said:
WHY WON’T HE SIGN ZE DAMN PAPERS?
DON’T TELL ME CAUSE
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where the phuk u been? were u asking your lovve material the same question when he was nowhere to be found while pac team were waiting for him to take the fight?
funny u mentioned “HE CUT OFF BOTH OF HIS HANDS”. i hope this is not the reason why floyd is now so eager to fight pacquiao.
hes thinking, “knocking someone out with his hands down is awesome, this is even better”.
LMFAO!!!
pacquiao could pick floyd apart and rearrange his already mmonnkkey face, in pacquiao’s BAD DAY!.
DDDD
OK, PACQUIAO WON… MOVE ALONG FOLKS, NOTHING TO SEE OR TALK ABOUT HERE…
FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR. IS WAINING PACQUIAO!!!
MAY 5TH, 2012
MGM GRAND
LAS VEGAS NEVADA
IT’S NOT NICE TO KEEP HIM WAITING!
THE AZZ WHOOPIN FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR. GIVES TO PACQUIAO IS MY GIFT TO ALL OF YOU MIDGETS…
i watched the fight about 4x now i’m making my wife sick. marquez got pacquiao with a flushed, solid [unch in the face 2x and i thought that was funny.
but the rest of the fight,…everytime there’s an exchange of punches, i would go back and slomo them, (watching in HD, slomo in detail), marquez is just eating all kinds of punch compared to pacquiao.
no way jmm won this fight. i lost $20 in this fight. DDAAMMNN!!!
WHY WON’T HE SIGN ZE DAMN PAPERS?
DON’T TELL ME CAUSE HE CUT OFF BOTH OF HIS HANDS!
SIGN ZE PAPERS!
PROVE HOW GOOD YOU ARE PACQUIAO…
SIGN ZE PAPERS…
THERE AINT A MIDGET ON THE PLANET THAT IS EAGER TO SEE THEIR IDOL GET BLOODIED AND DESTROYED!
SIGN ZE DAMN PAPERS…AND LET’S GET IT ON!!!
Ben Gurion says:
November 20, 2011 at 4:46 pm
@SIGN ZE PAPERS
MATE, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT FLOYD MAYWEATHER EXCEPT HIS ADORING FANS IS IN HIDING FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS. AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN MAYWEATHER IS CHASING MANNY PACQUIAO. I AM JUST WONDERING WHY? AH I GUESS BECAUSE OF MANNY’S POOR PERFORMANCE AGAINST JUAN MARQUEZ. AT THE TIME OF DEMOLISHING TOUGH CHAMPIONS, HE KEEPS ON HIDING AND SCARED TO CALL EVEN MANNY’S NAME IN AN INTERVIEW.
LOL
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Ben, Floyd called Manny out before this fight! So to say Floyd is doing so just because Manny looked bad is being a pactard!
Pactards like you on here saying stuff like Marquez is old and Pac will ko him in one only make you more of a pactard!
MIDGETS…MANNY PACQUIAO IS DONE AND EXPOSED TO THE WORLD…
B- GRADE….
HE WILL NEVER….NEVER…EVER…MAKE IT IN THE TOP 25 GOAT!!!
FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR. WILL BE IN THE TOP 10 GOAT!!!
PACQUIAO WAS EXPOSED BY A 38 YEAR OLD JR. LIGHTWEIGHT FIGHTER COMING UP 2 DIVISIONS!
FIRST THE FAT BOYS BREAK UP, AND JUSTIN BIENER HAS A BABY. MY OH MY, WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO?
MP could beat JMM on MPs bad day. says:
November 20, 2011 at 4:45 pm
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The trouble is Pac keeps having bad days! Real boxing fans call these excuses. It takes a real man to admit you lost!
@SIGN ZE PAPERS
MATE, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT FLOYD MAYWEATHER EXCEPT HIS ADORING FANS IS IN HIDING FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS. AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN MAYWEATHER IS CHASING MANNY PACQUIAO. I AM JUST WONDERING WHY? AH I GUESS BECAUSE OF MANNY’S POOR PERFORMANCE AGAINST JUAN MARQUEZ. AT THE TIME OF DEMOLISHING TOUGH CHAMPIONS, HE KEEPS ON HIDING AND SCARED TO CALL EVEN MANNY’S NAME IN AN INTERVIEW.
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Flips, Midgets, Tards, or whatever you call yourselves…
There isn’t 1 of you on the planet that believes in his heart that your idol can beat FMJ!!! Not one of you!
MIDGETS…MIDGETS…MIDGETS…OK, OK !!! PACQUIAO WON, WE AGREE…
FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR. IS WAITING TO MEET WITH PACQUIAO…
DON’T BE LATE!
Flips…NEWS FLASH: Nobody wants to see Marquez/Pacquiao IV but you all! AND BOB ARUM!
Bwahahhahahahhahahahahahha!!!
SCURRED OF FMJ? A SEVERE AZZ WHOOPIN AWAITS YOUR IDOL!!!
GUARANTEED!
MARQUEZ WON?WHERE FIRST FIGHT ?PAC DROP HM 3 TIMES GRRRRRR!!! IN SECOND MARQUEZ WON? WHERE PAC DROP HIM ONCE..HOW CAN HE WON WEEEH? N THRD FIGHT MARQUEEZ ONLY ADVANTAGE IS THE HEADBUTT HE MADE TO PAC LOOK AT jmm FACE HAHA! HOW CAN YOU CALL JMM WON WITH DIRTY TACTICS?WITH HERNANDEZ THE STEROID SELLER ON HIS SIDE DIRTY JMM AND DIRTY PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE HE WON THEY ARE HATERS….INTELLEGENT THAN THE JUDGES LOL! WHO ARE YOU GUYS???
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
SCURRRRRRED OF MAYWEATHER BEN?
HE SHOULD BE!
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
SCURRRRRRED OF MAYWEATHER?
HE SHOULD BE!
MAYBE NEXT TIME IF A 4TH REMATCH IS SET UP, THERE WOULD NEVER BE ANY COMPLAINT ANYMORE BECAUSE MANNY WILL STOP MARQUEZ FROM WRESTLING HIS CROWN.I CAN SEE THAT FROM A DISTANCE.
@Ben, You aren’t getting it! It’s water under the bridge…
FORGET ABOUT IT!
SIGN ZE PAPERS TO FIGHT FLOYD MAYWEATRHER JR.!!!
FEELING THAT YOU ARE (MARQUEZ AND MAYWEATHER FANS) THE AGGRIEVE PARTY, FILE A COMPLAINT TO THE U.S. SUPREME COURT. WHO KNOWS THAT THE ARTICLE OF ANTHONY LEE IS REVERSED IN FAVOR OF JUAN MARQUEZ. BUT FOR NOW ACCEPT THE REALITY OF HIS ANALYSIS. HE MADE IT CLEAR AS CLEAR AS THE WATER OF THE OCEAN.
You’re correct. Very good comments to the fans and judging of the fight.
IT’S NOT THE FLOYD FANS THAT ARE STALLING ON MOVING ON…ITS ARUM/ROACH/AND PACQUIAO!!!
MOVE ON TO FMJ!!! NOT SO SURE BOB?
THEN SIGN ZE PAPERS…!!!
AT LAST THE TRUTH CAME OUT FROM AN EXPERT ANALYST THAT RESOLVES THE CONTROVERSY OF TRILOGY.
OK…Fine…Pacquiao Won!!!
Sign ZE Papers to Fight FMJ!
FORGET ABOUT JMM IV!
If Pacman haters are very much in doubt about Pacman’s win against Juan Marquez, ask Bob Arum to set up a 4th fight with Manny. I am sure he won’t disappoint you for a REMATCH.
ASK, AND YOU’LL BE GIVEN. KNOCK AND YOU’LL BE OPENNED.
because he was 10-1 under dog, dinamita was loved by many people, and then when the fight is very closed, he was loved more, but he was not robbed.
i understand why until now dinamita claimed he was robbed. he was 8-1 and 10-1 underdog but as the fight goes on, it shows a closed fight, naturally into the mind of many he won. but that is not the way to score a fight, the scoring of the fight is through points and not through emotions.
Manny fought a great fight he defo deserved to win , it wasn’t easy but he defo won ..Marquez is a tough fighter it wasn’t going to be easy , end of the day manny won and is champ so stop crying about it people !!!! Manny pac is legend….
Marquez clearly won the fight the question you should ask when judging a fight is who would I rather be? The majority of the rounds you wouldn’t want to be Manny. Also you the rounds are scored in pen so it does not matter what happened in the last rounds Marquez had done enuff to win the fight. Period boxing gotta fix the judging to many fighters get robbed because who they are fighting!! All and all stick to writing article cause you are a worst judge then the two idiots that scored the fight for Manny Live but you watched it a few times and still got it wrong!!
Screw all of your judging tactics, bottom line is when you watch a fight, you just get the feeling of who won and who lost.
I am a Marquez fan but i felt Marquez lost the first fight to Pacquiao and the second fight i scored it a point for Marquez but easily could of been a point for pacquiao or a draw at best.
This fight i had Marquez plain out spanking Pacquiao, what pacquiao power punches? Did anyone see Marquez wobbled or hurt? or hit so cleanly the crowd went “ohhhhhhhh”"” no sir, yet we constantly saw Marquez snap Pacquiaos head back and land the cleaner sharper punches, not only that, Pacquiaos aggression is not even a factor in this fight, he was walking foward but Pacquiao was hesitating , he held his guard up as much as Marquez did, he was afraid to throw and get countered, you guys act as if Pacquiao was coming in throwing bombs all night.
Marquez won period!
Very nice analysis tony, we watched the fight 3 times with me were pro marquez however when we totalled most power punches overall went to pac, math is an absolute science that’s why if people rely more on being judgmental on certain points things go wrong for them.
I’m a fan of both fighters so I seen from a neutral perspective and not only did Marquez win he won convincingly, he beat pacquiao to the punch all night. Pacquiao was coming forward all night but with very little success, I scored the fight 8 rounds for Marquez and 4 for pacquiao but that’s just my opinion.
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…To those who said Manny won because he was the aggressor. Just because a guy is coming forward does not mean he won the round. You need effective agression. Also compubox is just a add up of punches thrown and landed etc. It has little to do with who won the fight over all. Marquez won the fight in the public eye which is better than getting the nod like Pacquiao did and having every one but die hard pactards saying he lost. Most in Pacs home country said he lost the fight! It is not a race thing or a country of origin thing.
…Pacquiao could get knocked out in a fight, after being dominated and pactards will find that one thing like “oh, Marquez stepped on Manny’s toe at 2:05 in the third, that is why he lost” because they are not real boxing fans.
Pacs skin seems soft like a baby bud. I just wanna hug him and rub skins with him.
Only braindead hosers think Marquez won, Manny won 9 rounds, yo!
Where as Pacquiao didn’t hurt Marquez once or snap his head back with a big shot.
It’s not who lands the most punches it’s who’s landing the accurate, effective punches. Marquez landed the clean, effective punches where as Pacquiao’s work was very messy and wild and missed with an awful lot. Marquez repeatedly snapped Pacquiao’s head back and stopped him in his tracks and hurt him on a number of occasions as Pacquiao admitted himself after the fight.
I personally had it 117-112 to Marquez (8 rounds to 3 with 1 even) and I have no preference to either fighter. I’m just as much as a fan of Pac than I am of Marquez.
Really good and objective look at the fight. I agree completly. The problem is you get all these boxing fans that ignore these facts like for example pacman had the centre of the ring and was the one who pushed the fight otherwise Marquez I feel would just be standing there as hes a counter puncher only and also landed more shots and only got outpunched for 1 round and not by much. If getting out punched and just standing there waiting for the other guy to slip up and standing on his foot means you deserve to be champ then what has boxing come to. He just done better then people thought and shallow so called boxing fans are always looking to stick the knife into a champ they just go with there gut feeling and for some reason they always have the biggest mouths. Im glad there not judges. I mean this aint no where near as bad as lewis vs holyfield 1 so get over it. It was close but Marques didnt deserve a cigar.
Kamotie is back! hiding under his new name because he is really the coward!
@J
Well said this guy ‘Shane’ is just another pacnut hugger.
Great in-depth analysis. If Marquez technically won, I’d give it to him in fairness. However FLOYDIOTS here like you say run on emotions. They hate Pacman so much that, they like to believe Marquez won just because it’s the first they saw Manny take that many punches this time around. They overlook the technical part. That’s why they’re idiots, FLOYDIOTS!
Arum/Roach/and Pacquiao know they were given a “GIFT” decision.
Now, …you got the gift, MOVE ON TO FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR.!
May 5th, 2012….
Let’s get this MF ON!!!
@Shane
all you do is making excuses for your pacqroid. Pacquiao is tailor made for Mayweather jr…. Mayweather would leave pacquiao all bloodied and disfigured.
the one who got screwed in this fight was marquez, but not by judges, pacquiao, or arum. he got screwed by his trainer. WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU TELL YOUR FIGHTER THAT HE IS CLEARLY WINNING THE FIGHT? DO YOU WANT HIM TO KEEP FIGHTING OR DO YOU WANT TO HAVE HIM DANCE AROUND THE RING? How does nacho know marquez is clearly winning the fight when there are no knockdowns and marquez looks like the way he does. manny’s face didn’t look beat up and roach told him to step it up. they were trading punches. when you trade punches, judges have a hard time scoring the fight. when you don’t fight like clottey, it’s easy to score the fight. YES, MARQUEZ GOT SCREWED. JUDGES SCORE THE FIGHT, NOT THE TRAINER. SO, IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE THAT MARQUEZ LOST THE LAST ROUND, LOOK AT IT CAREFULLY. HE WAS HIT HARD BY BOTH MANNY AND NACHO. poor nacho. he left doubts. i wonder what he was thinking in the locker room. in the second fight, nacho had the look of disappointment in the judges. in this one, nacho looked more reserved. could it be that he thought he made a mistake? only nacho knows. but according to many, nacho landed the biggest blow on marquez.
please don’t get me wrong. marquez is a tremendous fighter. but to say he got robbed, people need to think twice. if you say the judges robbed marquez, then you also have to think that nacho did as well. that was a great mistake that may have cost him the fight. when you have people talking about what he said while watching the fight, then you know it’s something that is questionable. during the fight, most commentators and spectators questioned why he would tell marquez he is winning the fight. i know it’s not a big deal to us, but it might be eating nacho alive because it only concerns him, not us.
I saw the fight 4 times already . Marquez won again by the 3rd time already . this is another robbery from the American judges shame on them. I’m very surprise they gave it to pacquiao.
Greetings from Greece!
Using punch stats is meaningless. Everyone keeps looking at punch stats for why Pacquiao won. If punch stats were so important then explain this (stats from the last two fights)
Pacquiao vs. Marquez 1 (May 8, 2004)
Pacquiao’s total punches landed/thrown: 148/639 for 23 percent
Marquez’s total punches landed/thrown: 158/547 for 29 percent
Pacquiao’s total power punches landed/thrown: 100/231
Marquez’s total power punches landed/thrown: 122/339
Pacquiao vs. Marquez 2 (Mar. 15, 2008)
Pacquiao’s total punches landed/thrown: 157/619 for 25 percent.
Marquez’s total punches landed/thrown: 172/511 for 34 percent.
Pacquiao’s total jabs landed/thrown: 43/314
Marquez’s total jabs landed/thrown: 42/201
Pacquiao’s total power punches landed/thrown: 114/305
Marquez’s total power punches landed/thrown: 130/31
You still write how people just argue about Marquez getting robbed, but say no JMM fan knows how to break down data. Two fights, JMM has better punching stats and still loses? Looks like MP fans are starting to sound like JMM fans from the two previous fights. Manny fans will always make an excuse of why he won, why he is great. Funny how he couldn’t level with a 39 year old grandpa, but supposedly has just dominated other great fighters, which were obviously setups at really low catch weights for the others. He is starting look like Rocky in Rocky 3, fighting bunch of hand me downs and setup fights. If he were so good, he should have killed JMM and left no doubt, he ended up leaving no doubt. Here’s a justification of why he won, odds were 7-1 no way in hell would Vegas allow that, casinos would have lost too much money. Here’s another reason MP is keeping this sport alive since he has a whole country behind him, if JMM would have won, it would have left the boxing world in shambles. PBFM would have been undisputed p4p, MP would have fallen in the rankings. Overall not good business for the sport. Hey look at stats before you talk. Thanks appreciate it.
For the record I had the fight a draw considering all aspects of a fight who is challenger, who is champion and how they fight towards each other. This whole MP was putting on so much pressure is a joke. To say JMM was just backing off or running would be absurd, he was moving side by side. Besides his style is counter punching, now counter punchers are considered runners all of a sudden. That was not enough physical presence to say MP was better or give him a win. If that were the case JMM should have gotten at least 5 rounds in the PBFM fight right? Please… that is such a lame excuse. The problem I hate with some of the extreme MP fans is that they actually justify him winning, very little do you hear them say he might have lost or it was a draw… nope! you always here them justify him winning. I am being fair and neutral. Do I think JMM won, nope thought he should have been more convincing in few more rounds. Do I think MP won, hell no he didn’t do anything in the fight Like PBFM says “Step Your Game UP!!!!!”
@Big Nose
Really! Are you kidding! Does it take someone to really tell you that two different fighters present a whole different fight.
You can’t make a determination based on the Mayweather Marquez fight and the Pacman and Marquez fight, as to who would win.
you have to take into consideration of weather of not a fighter had a bad night that night
you have to take into consideration of the style of fighters
and you have to take into consideration the time gap (what if pacquio fought mayweather back when marquez did. (I personally think pacman is starting to slow down)
Your just another idiot who knows nothing about boxing.
manny pac man pacquiao is awesome! the greatest boxer of this era.
LOL, i gigle when i read all the comments such as “Mayweather leaves no question if he fights Pacquiao”
if this was the case, if Mayweather truly thought he could beat pacquiao that easily, the fight would have been fought a long time ago.
You people need to come back to reality.
Understand the art of boxing before you open your mouth (or in this case, put your fingers to the keyboard)
I too had Manny winning based on all the points that the author laid out.
There was no question.
On the other hand, i was on the edge of my seat through the entire fight, cause Marquez had nothing but heart and determination.
@Damit
Mayweather(P4p King) only needed 1 fight to beat Marquez for good. Pacqroid needs 36 rounds and he still got gifts UD’s but any expert knows Marquez won that last 3rd fight.
i am not in favor of the 4th fight, but if dinamita insist he was robbed, then why not? but it must be immediate.
@Damit
Mayweather(P4p King) only needed 1 fight to beat Marquez for good. Pacqroid needs 34 rounds and he still got gifts UD’s but any expert knows Marquez won that last 3rd fight.
One thing is for certain, you won’t need to analyze much to determine the winner vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
IT WON’T EVEN BE CLOSE!!!
Manny Pacquiao was awarded punches landed, that clearly did not connect. Carefully watch the fight again, Marquez clearly lands more punches than Pacquiao. I agree that Pacquiao was the aggressor for most of the fight by throwing 140 more punches, but he was not effective, so that proves no point on scoring.
You guys utterly fail at reasoning. Pacquiao only got outpunched by Marquez in a single round (a statistical fact). To this you respond by saying that Marquez landed more heavy shots. But actually, Pacquiao outlanded Marquez 8 rounds to 4 in the power punch department. He landed more jabs AND he landed more power shots. And while Marquez wobbled Pacquiao once, Pacquiao wobbled him three times. Study the stats and the actual fight footage. I shouldn’t have to draw you a diagram.
But blacks and hispanics never were very good at analyzing data. Just look at the line of reasoning they have to retreat to: “Pacquiao didn’t look like a winner after the fight,” “The poll says Marquez won,” “Because the crowd booed at the decision. Hahaha. You fail at reasoning. You have to rely on what other people think (polls and crowd reactions) to explain why Marquez won the fight? LOL.
At any rate, the right decision was rendered, and that’s not going to change. Cry more.
gg
Marquez won hands down. Pac only looks good against living punch bags who fight defensive. When someone actually fights back, like Marquez, Pac man looked very ordinary. The judges need to be fired.
If that fight was boring, midgets must has been watching themselves on the Wizard of Oz…
It just befuddles me…Either Floyd does, or doesn’t want to fight Pacquiao?
Do you know FMJ is two years older than Pacquiao?
Manny are you scurred? I know Bob Arum is!!!
The fight was boreing.,period
May 5th, 2012
HAS PACQUIAO SIGNED YET TODAY?????
The plan from the start was no knock down floyd is a great fighter and wants to retire with no defeats you know that if packman had a early round knock out we would never see this super mega money fight paquia needs to talk to the real deal evender holyfeild. He will unlock the secret that’s been bothering packman lately if he does look out!
its time for Floyd to sign the contract after Manny poor performance and pls Floyd stop picking a lightweight fighters!
Juanma may have been robbed, Pacman’s weakness exposed…it’s an EZ fight for Lil Floyd…Lil Floyd will show you after finishing community service.
Pacquiao Beats Marquez Thrice ! In 3 fights Marquez Faced Distorted and KnockDown 4x. Obviously Pac won the fights.
as long as joe cortez is around when floydie fights, floydie will never loooooosee a fight!!!!!!!!!!
If Bob Arum, Ferddie Roach, Manny Pac, all thought Pac won all three fights then why have a fourth so fast? They know Pac got beat, that is why. Pac already gets all the advantages in every fight before hand, and then add this too. You pactards wonder why Pac don’t get respect!
They will do any thing to avoid Mayweather. Floyd has called them all out, even going as far as to reserve the venue.
Run Pac run!
@Crybaby, then doesn’t it make more sense to move on to Mayweather? If Pacquiao won so handily, then why is he iven considering a Marquez IV?
One of 2 reasons:
1) He is not so confident in is heart that he won…
2) He wants no part of an inevitable AZZ WHOOPIN from FMJ!
As long as Bob Arum controls 2 out of 3 judges, the result will continue to be the same.
Hey Pacquiao….forget about Marquz IV, it’s Mayweather time!
Don’t be scurred…The MGM Grand is waiting!
Sorry just seen the fight marquez threw some nice punches but nothing with much power the packman punches looked a lot harder nothing against marque he’s a great fighter but packman is just faster and stronger at 38 it would be dangerous for a fourth fight Marquez had a great career its time to stop
Shut up ya bum. This article isn’t going to change our views on the fight. We know who won and who got cheated!
THE AZZ WHOOPIN FLOYD GIVES PACQUIAO, IS MY GIFT TO ALL FLIPS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!
Every 1 in boxing says maqez won!! We all sore it now sutup.. If your Filipino don’t worry your country will not go into deppretion cos he lost a fight!! He will still buy the odd fisherman a motor for his boat, and sing and dance smh
Jinky Pacquiao should not come to the US two days before the fight because of long training, Manny cannot cease the temptation. I do the same if I am Pacquiao. I love you Jinky!
We have been told that we are judging the 4th fight too. Pac will knock Marquez out in one round.
Pacquiao out punched Marquez in every round except on round 8 according to Compubox Punchstat Report, Marquez face was swollen up while Pacquiao face was unmarked except the cut from the headbutts. That’s the proof that Pacquiao punches were connecting. Pacquiao is the clear winner in my eyes, if you don’t agree with me, that’s your problem.
Juan won the fight and most real boxing fans think (know) he won the second fight! SHUT UP …
very well said.now everyone get over it and move on.there have been a hell of lot of worst decisions then this one
Wow…this article is a bit confusing b/c the writer’s premise and every Pac fan is that Pac simply won the fight b/c he landed more punches than Marquez. But when the writer analyzes round 8, he says Marquez landed more but Pac finished strong and landed the more crisp punches, and the round was won by Pacquiao?????? That logic falls right in line when talking to any Pac fan……..give Pac the benefit of a doubt 100% of the time even when their own logic goes against it, and find some sort of bizarre reason and explanation to look down on anybody that stands in Manny’s way 200% of the time.
So trying to clean pacquiaos fight, with a sum up that noone saw and footsteps that were for sure not on porpous……. Mexicans don´t need to use dirty tricks to win in the BOXING games, we have been the best in that sport talkin’ in a profesional enviroment. Marquez is a warrior and a hard working fighter and paquiao took him easy and didn´t work as he should.
In a global world gotta start to find other places to fight and not into the american area. so maybe the boxing stuff will not be corrupted or arranged by them.
PLAY FAIR
just look at the face of JMM and face of Manny after the fight its so clear who did a lot of damage!
Mayweather is the best p4p, period. Floyd fights similar to Marquez but much better at it. Floyd and Juan Marquez most times like to wait for an opponent to punch, then counter. Floyd is so much better at this style that Juan Marquez become the aggressor and followed him. Juan is not as good this way and looks bad. Floyd won easy this way. Manny, like Juan will not stay away, he will keep coming forward until the bell rings the final round. Based on this, I think Floyd will win by late round tko!
I have not been wrong yet on this site!
I predicted Manny wins Marquez 7 to 5 the day before the fight!
Wow…this article is a bit confusing b/c the writer’s premise and every Pac fan is that Pac simply won the fight b/c he landed more punches, but when the writer analyzes round 8, he says Marquez landed more but Pac finished strong and landed the more crisp punches????? T
How many excuses will the Pinoys create for the Pacman?
Marquez stepped on his foot, leg cramps, Pacquiao over trained…blah..blah..blah…
The fact is the midget in his prime out simply out boxed by a master boxer.
He was fighting statuses before…Marquez was fight real fighter he faced since he fought …Marquez I don’t know how many years ago..
This writer says that “emotions” are playing a part on the feeling that Marquez won the fight. Moreover, the writer states that Pacquiao’s “display of disappointment” (emotions) at the end of the fight simply meant that Pacquiao did not like “fighting the style of Marquez” and have nothing to do with how he felt about winning the fight.
I guess Marquez’ at 38 yrs old imposed his style, dictated the pace of the fight and connected with the more effective punches on the younger fighter is not enough to win. Pacquiao’s aggression was ineffective he might have thrown more punches that Marquez but he was hitting arms and shoulder. The midget was simply schooled. Pactards can call it what they want, but Pacquiao did not win the fight…
i heard that filipinos won’t go near mexicans if they are wearing their nice shoes. they’re afraid the mexicans might use a dirty tactic called ‘footstopper’ and ruin their nice shoes.
lol.
I had it 7 rounds to 5 for Pacquiao!
manny paquioa actually won lol
the world now convince paquiao won…..marquez is cheater and use dirty tactics to out punch paquiao…that is the only way he can score the… world watch…HE STEP THE SHOES OF PAQUIAO SIX TIMES IN EVERY ROUND..pacman cannot move… WATCH IT IN THE INTERNET…..WATCH THE SLOW MOTION USE UR SHARP EYES…..this is true.. watch the whole round you see the truth..
I agree that Floyd will have a harder time with Pac then he did Marquez. Most said back then that Floyd won because
1)Floyd is better skilled
2)Marquez was too small for Floyd.
Marquez is the same size or bigger than Pacquiao! Juan weighed two pounds more. Pac might win two or three rounds but that is likely it.
1. The agressor has to be effective to get the nod
2. This fight is 12 mini-bouts. Finishing strong 11-12 is not an argument as to who should get the nod in the end.
3. Compubox is for fools!
I had 116-112 Marquez. I can live with a draw but. Beyond that ???
@Floyd You!
You know, Foreman had a real easy time with Frazier, like Floyd had with Marquez. I think Floyd’s mentality is a little different from Marquez’s. I think Floyd would have a harder time with Pac than he did with a bloated Marquez.
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I love it,PAC n his wife both no Marquez won…. Booom
Manny Catchweight says:
November 20, 2011 at 5:21 am
ok…than juan won the first tow fights then….He landed more shots, won more rounds…
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pac floord JMM 3x remember? knockd down is a different story
its is a nightmares for marquez and fans. pacman you a nightmare to all of them, you are lose that fought you lose that fought pacman oooohh its a nightmare huh huh huh huh….. pls believe me you are lose oooh nooo…
Ok guys,if you really think that the scared and coward Floyd Jr can take Pacman easily, then try to convince your coward Floyd to fight Pacman,ok? And this should be no more excuses again as what coward Floyd Jr have made previously,ok? Pacman is waiting for the coward Floyd Jr right now…there’s nobody out there left and i think this will be the last Pacman’s fight….win or lose,ok? Hey coward Floyd Jr, please try to have balls and fight Pacman.Bwahahahahaha!
Pacman won, that’s what the history books will show…get over it.
CounterPunch says:
November 20, 2011 at 5:26 am
Just because Pac had a hard time with Marquez, doesn’t mean Mayweather is better than Pac. Ali aways had a hard time with Frazier, Foreman blows Frazier away, Ali knockouts Foreman. Marquez, because of the kind of fighter he is will always give Pac a hard time. It’s time to move on to Floyd while he thinks Pac is shot!
It was a little different with them three fighters. Floyd beat Marquez so easy, Marquez did not land a single meaning full punch THE WHOLE FIGHT! Stop kidding yourself into thinking Pac can hold a candle to Floyd before you are let down when they fight. Pac will get shut out and most likely knocked out late! Keep fighting seniors Pac, stay away from Floyd so you can cash in.
I have to ask EVERYONE on this site, do you understand counter punchers? Tt was never marquez intention to take centre of the ring. No wonder you think he will beat floyd…
accept the fact that there are people who are easily manipulated. they create principles from opinions made by others. what do you expect, they know nothing in the subject.
this was last week, boring now. Pacman got the decision, lets hope he fights mayweather next
Just because Pac had a hard time with Marquez, doesn’t mean Mayweather is better than Pac. Ali aways had a hard time with Frazier, Foreman blows Frazier away, Ali knockouts Foreman. Marquez, because of the kind of fighter he is will always give Pac a hard time. It’s time to move on to Floyd while he thinks Pac is shot!
Stop making excuses for Pacsteroids. He knows he got beat again. You could tell how Pacsteroids acted after the fight. He needs to fight Floyd and stop getting bogus decisions fighting old guys from Bobs judges.
ok…than juan won the first tow fights then….He landed more shots, won more rounds…
Just make ma egg foo young
marquez can’t sleep until now he dreaming with open eyes he won won won the fight against pacman and also marquez fans dreaming that they won he he he he he he….nightmare
Ah only have one thing ta say to dencios mother me so horny me me so horny me so horny she love me long time lol
I aint even bin on this site for ah whole day yet n got pinos hugen on balls like pino women used to do to are solders for five dollars they love u long time
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PUNCHES MANNY THREW MOST OF THEM DID NOT HIT THE TARGET THEY WAS SHORT BUT LOOK LIKE THEY HIT THE TARGET BUT IN FACT THEY MISSED BY 1 OR 2 INCHES BUT THEY COUNTED THEM AS A HIT
Far from big nose lil nutts ima just a new cat on this site bin ah boxing fan sence ah was 6 years old n trust me dencio dummy or whateva the F ur name is ah could battle u fa days u aint scearin nothin
sportsmen accept d ruling of d boxing judges. others try 2 become d judge of boxing judges 2 proclaim jmm d winner.
godson writes like he’s bignose.
He changed his name coz afraid to get schooled again?
Move on Pacquiao…If you felt you won move on to Floyd Mayweather Jr.!
Or are you not sure you won?
Let me get this straight, a Jr. Lightweight fighter coming up 2 divisions beat <ammy Pacquiao in the eyes of the world, and the midgets think Pacquiao can beat FMJ?
Midget Logic again…
hmmm… y can’t people accept the fact… they go over questioning the judges… they’re the judges man… you can’t do anything about that … they’re the veterans when it comes to boxing… it’s their job to know who trully won… the fight should have a rematch… go pacman…
Yall act like yall don’t be haten on ma boy mayweather im just keepin it real pinos get mad when ppl talk the truth about wats really goin on
Pacman won that night and JMM and his followers can’t accept defeat. What a pity!
opps, I forget internet bullying. There are too many KEYBOARD WARRIORS here. I wonder if they ever got a fight with a Filipino.
The only thing steroid man won that nite was robbery
JUST COMPARE THE FACE OF MARQUEZ VS PAC WITHOUT THE HEAD BUTT ON PAC…LOOK AT THE FACE OF MARQUEZ..PARTIDA PACQUAIO DIDNT SHOW HIS BEST BY THAT TIME..MAYBE BECAUSE OF THE FOOT STOPPER OR THEY WANT PART 4….
Truth of the matter is, it depends on who is talking. Like the comments posted here. The only difference is the way the comments are delivered…. some use logic, others just use hatred and jealousy.
Haters can whine all their lives but they can’t take away the win from Pacman and the truth is…JMM has never ever defeated Pacman! Hahahaha! Losers!
Filipino won.Period.Only people looking for an unhealthy sensation would claim differently… It was world championship belt Marquez was fighting for and he behaved in the ring like he had that already… Sorry but did not do enough to take that belt from Filipino… Enough of that
The only god deeS PINOS PRAY to is ms steroid man ah mean y do u pinos always fill butt hurt when ppl talk about manny o ah gettet pinos go bth ways
The diff between fmj an chaves he fights bums money may fights young hugry lions not wash up fighters the guys manny fight
another p4ct4rd in the site nice marquez won hands down.
it took a lightweght boxer to show the world how lame paquiao is dont cry and accept p4ct4rds he got schooled by marquez.
both chavez and floyd are undefeated…but chavez has bettr record than floyd…floyds only advantage is being an african american wew hahaha!!!
lmao at the sh1t Pinoys come up with.
the ‘footstopper.’
lmao.
wow you must be on Arum’s payroll, dude seriously your explanation is that of a kid writting an excuse in back of a match box! Marquez got screwed by bought out judges period
The only ppl that think steroid man won is pinos cok riders the person who wrote this art n the ppl that betted on manny
the boxing commission can review the fight if team Marquez will protest so that the judge will see how many step that Marquez
dirty tactic did to Pacman.I dont know why the referee did not see those dirty tactic
this is very dangerous to any boxer.He must warn Marquez if it is accidental
WHAT ELSE CAN I SAY HIS DIERTY HIS A LOSER WHAT ELSE CAN I SAY…HE WAS KNOCK DOWN 4 TIMES IN HIS CAREER BY PAC ,,WHAT ELSE DIRTY NA TALO PA…WHAT A GAME…THIS IS WHAT THEY CALL TOE TO TOE…REAL TOE TO TOE.HAHAHA!!!
lol, the dumb Pactards are so ignorant that they think getting a majority decision against a cherrypicked 38yo lightweight forced to fight at welter is a ‘win.’
lmao.
Just when you thought the Filipinos couldn’t be any more stupid, they just keep proving you wrong.
Article is spot on, and the best Marquez ball-huggers can come up with is that Pacquiao looked upset after the fight, or because the crowd booed. Get real hahaha.
@c0remaster_the outcome was reflected on pacquitas face and there is videos to prove who landed the cleaner and harder shots,,,,so suk on this….8=====D…HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHA….Eat your heart out and cry all you want…still not gonna change the outcome. You cannot beat Mr Las Vegas, plain and simple. Hate all you want and continue banging your heads on the wall.
@Godson2184_DUDE I BEEN RADIING COMMENTS ALL WEEK LONG FROM PACTARDS AND ALL THEY COME UP WITH IS THE COMPUBOX AND JMM STEPPING ON PACQUITA…SO NO MATTER WHAT U SAY OR WHAT UR ARGUMENT IS…DOG EATERS WONT UNDERSTAND…THEY BLIND..SO DONT EVEN TRY!!!!
@Big Nose
If you tell me and the world that Floyd is the face of boxing, boxing will die. I would rather choose Kingkong, than the copy cat Floyd. You get what I mean?
On a serious note, the behavior displayed by Floyd cannot and will not be good for boxing. Look at his and his lineage family records.
Man ppl need to stop making excusess for ms steroid man manny yes he was they aggresser but most of the punches he threw did’nt land marquez had a higher punch percentage n the rounds that marquez won they gave to manny
Well if you really believe Pacman won then where are his highlight reels? Usually at this time Pactards uploaded a hundred videos on his catchweight king. The only videos I see are LMAO excuses videos for his horrible performance. Vidoes such as “cheater marquez steps on foot” “Marquez caught drinking pizz” “Pacman had foot cramp” LMAO. Sounds to me like excuses for losing the fight.
@DAMNIT….WHAT U ALL TALKIING ABOUT…??….PACQUITA HAS BEEN CHERRY PICKING OPONNENTS..SO DON CRY ABOUT THE WHOOPING HE RECIEVED LAST SAT!!!…ITS BEEN A WEEK SO LET IT GO NOTHING WILL CHANGE!!!!
@Big Nose
Your gang of your kind won’t be of help in our argument/ debate. What does it tells me, you can’t stand on your own.
WHAT THE ARTICLES WRITTER REAL NAME???….ANTHONY LEE-PACQUIAO???…HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHUNCLE BOB IIS PAYING A LOT OF FOOLS SO THE FIGHT WITH MAYFLOWER FINALLY IS SIGNED!!!!
Marquez was a 3rd time. Now everyone stop trying to defame him.
@Nasty
As your name suggest, you have a “nasty” beliefs and views. But tell you what, majority is not always right. In fact, in a lot of siutations, the voice of the minority were found to be the truth and right. The writer is the first to offer a thorough analysis of the fight based on facts and numbers, not on guess work and as he said, on emotions. Your wish for Floyd to kill Pac if the fights happens, is also a product of your nasty imaginations. But as you know, in boxing anything can happen. Pac has a long history of winning fights were he was not given a chance to pull a victory. And believe me, it will happen. Pac will be victorious against the evil of boxing.
excellent article. i find it difficult to refute any of the points you brought up. pacquiao has this one in the bank. i find it stupid that people try to detract from your argument by pointing out that many other people do not agree with you. well im sorry to tell them but they are using a fallacious kind of reasoning called the appeal to popularity. it is an invalid, illogical response to an argument. look it up on wikipedia. but i expect that most diehard marquez supporters arent too familiar with informal logic or reading books, so i think this article flies way over their head
Marquez won by landing the harder, clearer punches and he won the ring general ship contest as well. HANDS DOWN.
this compubox thing is so overrated,so does that mean marquez won the first two fights?? and also overrated is the winner should be the aggressor,,so i guess guys like whittaker,calderon,miguel canto didn’t win? you can be aggressive but effective is the key here,,,and i don’t care that pac landed more punches,that think is done by humans,humans commit errors,who’s to say that person there is correct,even if it were 100% correct manny could have landed a lot of punches say in round 4,example:..boxer A lands 100 boxer B lands 5 in the first round,but the rest boxer B outlands in every round by 3 punches,at the end of the fight boxer A would still have outlanded him…but see how it is? only because of that first round,this is all bull…pac lost that fight
Theres no doubt P4p King pin Mayweather is face of boxing. Packy who ??
here comes the same ppl again. they say marquez won cuz the crowd booed at the end of the fight, or cuz a poll says so, or cuz mannys face was sad. lololol give me a break. if thats the best reasons u can come up w, i pity u. the writer actually gave real solid objective facts about the fite and not just some lame speculation about what OTHER PEOPLE think. lol pacquiao won this fight. good game
.so you can see it for yourself how your idol got schooled .
@Damit its you and your people who need surgery on your tiny eyes.
I watched the fight tonight for a second time. Marquez won the fight or at the very least it was a draw. Manny did not win.
i would suggest that those who claimed dinamita was robbed to count the number of punch thrown and landed by dinamita and pacman and compare and show their scoring in this forum to be examine. because in my scoring i have pacman won by 2 rounds.
This writer is in the minority that actually thinks Pacman won, where is good bad must also exist somewhere. Ninety percent of the world know Marquez won.
Anyways…Floyd is gona kill Pacman. It gonna be one of the most hyped fights ever for it only to result in a mismatch. He should fight Marquez and retire, Floyd is in another league.
Ps Dont forget Pacman avoids random drug testing to this day. Peace!
anthony lee, i think most of these ppl have no clue about boxing. if the best u can do to support marquez winning is point 2 a poll or a crowd reaction then u got problems lol. i appreciate that u actually broke the fight down and gave specific reasons why pacquiao won.
look at compubox. the freakin computer doesnt lie lol. marquez only landed more than pacquiao in ONE ROUND! lol u guys are nuts. this is what happens when u use ur feelings to judge a fight instead of raw statistics.
and pac/marquez were close in the punchstat category in their first two fights. marquez was slightly ahead. but then again u forget that marquez was knocked down repeatedly. each knockdown counts as a whole point! it was a draw the first fight and a win for pacquiao second and third fights.
Big Nose, you probably used your sense of smell in judging, not your eyes. Or you’re just plain and simple noosy.
this writer is absolutely spot on. do you see what all the marquez fans are saying to support their case? the best they can come up with is that manny looked sad after the fight, or the crowd booed and thought marquez won. are you serious? let’s analyze the actual fight, and not things that happened after the fight.
the fact is, pacquiao outpunched marquez in every round of the fight except one. that is a statistic that compubox gives us. the computer doesnt lie. also, like the writer says, pacquiao had better ring generalship and control of the middle of the ring. he also finished stronger. there is no way to give this fight to marquez unless you were caught up in the crowd emotion of the fight. if you watch this fight with no audio, you will see.
and @ cesar, marquez might have outpunched pacquiao slightly more in the first two fights, but u forget that pacquiao also knocked him down several times. in boxing, knockdowns count too.
ignorant people lol
But don’t worry boxing fans. Mayweather will knock pacroid out for good.
Marquez was robbed I saw him winning 9 rounds to 3.
Marquez was robbed I saw him winning 9 rounds to 3. But don’t worry boxing fans. Mayweather will knock pacroid out for good.
Pacman’s aggresiveness was NOT effective if he kept running into Marquez right hand all night. And everytime they exchanged Marquez always came out on top. I think thats was people saw. Pacman missed half his punches it appears. Marquez a plus for his defense. Pacman looked a bit amateur that night. Try to look for any Pacman highlights of that fight. Oh yea, there arn’t any because he was horrible all night.
Anthony Lee you schooled Chris and Dave with this very meticulous analysis and intelligently written article. Hope these two low level writers will learn something from you.
What can I say, the truth will set Manny free.
Ms steroid man manny loss point blank
Marquez won but was robbed i had it 9 to 4 for Marquez. But don’t worry boxing fans ,Mayweather will put an end to the thief Pacroid. soon it will be 43 -0 for king Mayweather and Pacroid will be that number 43.
Who cares whatt you say or what you write all the polls taken tthis wee show marquez won so stop trying to prove what isn’t there.I’m sorry but mayweather will kill pacquio.marquez is and will always b better boxer thanpac ger over it stop making excuses for him you got thr decisio in paper b happy
And theres no way marquez won. Robbed? Lol. Marquez survived. Thats it.
Marquez once again will make manny become better! Pacquiao versus floyd is still a toss up.They will bring out the best in each other.
Well almost all the writers at ringside thought Marquez won.
Every pro boxer you ask thinks marquez won. Pacs sparring partners think Marquez won. That tells you something. Only ones that think Pac won are Filipinos, Bob Arum, and 2 judges.
You know when Arum is in the mix there gotta be something fishy.
Who fought whos fight. manny fought marquez fight. marquez made pacquaio look silly. in the 2nd fight marquez threw more punches and he lost the fight. this time he out boxed the champ and didn’t get knockdown. sorry the judges got this wrong
I watched it again today and it looks like manny won the fight.
By the way compubox punchstats don’t lie. Pacquiao was the aggressor while Marquez was the counter puncher constantly backing up trying to use Pacquio’s aggressive style against him. Marquez only clearly and without question beat the heck out of Pacquiao (forget rounds i scored). compubox Punch stats has Pacquiao throwing and landing a significant amount of punches which in the end gave him the win. Jim Lampley, Manuel Steward and Harold Lederman all (yes all) stated they thought the right decision had been made, not just the judges. You have to remember guys, the crowd was mostly Mexican. It was stated several times through both broadcasts.
WHO CARES !!! I CAN DESTROY BOTH FIGHTERS IN ONE NIGHT !!
I agree this fight paquiao won, marquez just waiting to counter punch , no initiation of the attached, so impossible to win the fight.
Greetings Anthony Lee. You know something when i first watched this fight it was in terrible quality skysports version co-hosted by amir khan. i thought marquez got robbed myself. however when i watched the high quality 720p HBO version i decided to score the fight myself. I had Pacquiao winning by one round. I’m so glad i got to see the HQ version. I think still think Pacquiao should have been better prepared for Marquez’s style specifically, and been able to change his own style NO matter what style Marquez decided to use. Jeez. Marquez has a very difficult style to deal with, at this point unless Pacquiao is able to prepare fully for the type of style Mayweather has he will lose. Mayweather will box Pacquiaio to freaking pieces.
I watched the fight with out audio.. Just pure action. Like the author, I did not see Marquez won the fight. Marquez did not perform enough to win the fight.
What happen is people are expecting Pacquiao to win via knockout so when they fail to see this they immediately conclude that Marquez won the fight.
If you watch carefully also, Marquez fight dirty, lots of headbutt from Marquez.
This is a good article. Finally an honest writer.
TO ALL ANTI PACMAN!
If still very much in doubt about this article and the decision of the three judges, I advise you better GO TO THE SUPREME COURT AND BRING THE CASE OF MISJUDGMENT. Maybe you can win the battle up there.
@ Anthony Lee you are clearly saying that Pac-man won because he out punched Marquez. So how did Marquez lose the second fight if compu-box numbers had Marquez landing more shots? 116-112 is what you had the fight at? Yeah and how much did Bob Arum pay you to write that! You clearly don’t know $hit about boxing!
I just checked the scorecards again, and knock me over with a feather, Manny still won!
This writer is absolutely correct and it’s the same comment as the boxing analysts. I think those people especially mexicans who’s clamoring that it was a robbed, doesn’t know about boxing…they were just using their emotions and much more…JEALOUSY!Sorry guys but still Pacman is the MEXICUTIONER!Bwahahahahaha!
This writer is obviously on crack!
I score the fight one point win pacquio… This people got sooo spoiled and expect more of pacquio and when it came to the result their emotion took over their judgement .. Thanx for this article you hit the spot right on.. Marquez is the only guy came close of beating pacquio but it never happend.. Look at their faces marquez looks worst how can he won the fight base on that aswell as punching stats.. Stop downgrading pacquio just cause he did not live to your expectations you guys sound like my nagging parents
Marq ueers fans are a bunch of Crybabies, that’s why they WHINE and CRY!
In the post-fight interview Marquez said “this is the second robbery of the two.” I thought he said he won all 3 fights? How could this be only the 2nd robbery? Either he’s stupid or he’s lying.
mayweather will make easy work of pacman
This is true. Time to move on. Pacman really won. The judges have always the vantage point in viewing the fight and the CompuBox results supported the judges decision.
right on..marquez won the fight.. who got booed?
The majority of my fellow mexicans were really hoping and expecting the decision to go Marquez’s way because of the windfall of plus nine odds if Pacquiao lost hence the moblike behavior after the verdict was announced.
Sounds like you’ll have a future as a big time boxing judge. 116/112 Marquez Maybe..Lets ALL get real Marquez got screwed here..Plain & Simple. Mayweather leaves no question if he fights Pacquiao.