Pacquiao still the heavy favorite
October 30th, 2011
By John F. McKenna (McJack): World Boxing Organization (WBO) welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao (53-3-2, 38 KO’s) remains the heavy favorite to defeat WBO/WBA lightweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez (53-5-1, 39 KO’s) with just two weeks to go before their much anticipated Trilogy. “Pacman” and “El Dinamita” will settle the score once and for all on November 12 at the MGM Grand Arena in Las Vegas.
Recently a video of Marquez was circulated across the internet showing a bulked up “El Dinamita”. Among the reasons Manny has been the heavy favorite going into the 3rd fight of the Pacquiao – Marquez Trilogy is that since the last time they met Pacquiao has grown into a bigger, stronger fighter.
In their first fight in 2004 Pacquiao and Marquez fought at 126 pounds. That fight ended in a controversial draw, even though Manny floored Juan three times in the first round.
It was later revealed that one of the judges incorrectly tabulated his scorecard, which deprived Pacquiao of a narrow victory.
In their second meeting in 2008 fought at 130 pounds Pacquaio was awarded a razor thin victory. In that fight too Manny floored Marquez, but there were many who felt that Juan won the fight. Almost as soon as the 2008 bout ended, Marquez started clamoring for a rematch claiming he was robbed of victory in both the 2004 and 2008 fights.
While it is true that Marquez has bulked up to a higher weight to face Pacquiao, it is thought by many boxing observers that Manny will carry the added weight more efficiently than the smaller framed Marquez. Pacquiao normally fights at about 145 pounds and has fought at that weight for a considerable amount of time. Marquez on the other hand fights as natural lightweight.
In addition Pacquiao has retained his explosive speed and power at the higher weight, while Marquez appears to have slowed down. Even if the slowdown of Marquez is minor, it is significant. Boxing after all is about minute fractions of seconds. A fraction of a second is oftentimes the difference between landing a KO punch or being caught by the same. At 38 years old Marquez has almost certainly slowed down to some extent. Pacquiao on the other hand, who will not turn 33 until December 17, is still fighting in his prime.
Lastly, but perhaps most importantly, Manny Pacquiao has been transformed into a different fighter since being taken over by five time “trainer of the year” Freddie Roach.
Manny now uses both hands with maximum efficiency. He moves in and out using footwork that did not exist in his repertoire in the pre Roach days. His conditioning and strength under conditioning trainer Alex Ariza has improved enormously.
True, Marquez may now be utilizing some of the same training techniques employed by Pacquiao, but he will not benefit to the same degree as a fighter who has used those techniques consistently for a number of years.
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Being the favorite does not help in winning.
@ Scott
Manny’s career started at 17 with 105 pounds. He had already speed, power in his left, great work rate and stamina. He had no proper training though aside from: 1. Almost no use of right hand, 2. Poor defense 3. Poor style 4. Low accuracy 5. Thin and easily hit.
Roach improved his:
Accuracy – 2nd Morales fight
Counterpunch, footwork – dela Hoya fight
Right hook/straight – Hatton fight
Defense, toughness – Cotto fight
PAC Haters, check these fights. Roach improved these in a decade.
Not overnight. Hard to understand?? It’s your problem.
How much do you think a thin Pacman would weight at 17 yr old?
Got it ?
where is floyd now Mr. Elerbi and Al hymond hide Floyd to protect floyd zero. again and after pacman annouce his next opponet floyd will come out from the hole and say you want me take a test.
where is floyd now Mr. Elerbi and Al hymond hide Floyd again and after pacman annouce his next opponet floyd will come out from the hole and say you want me take a test.
Name calling accomplishes nothing. Thre is no such thing as a Pactard or a Floydidiont. Grow up and act like adults! Stop hiding behind the computer like cowards calling each other names!
Pactardz why do you idiots even bring the name Mayweather in this article ? This is Marquez and Pedman not Money May. Or Do you people need to always compare Mayweather with Pedman ?because Mayweather is udefeated 42-0 ,pac has already 3 losses so calm down.
Kamote is the guy who likes kamotes shove up his azz.hahaha!
Pacquiao will KO Marquez and RETIRE him; Mayweather did not.
Pacquiao Knocked Mosley down; Mayweather did not.
Pacquiao sent Margarito to the hospital; Mayweather ducked Margarito.
Pacquiao sent Cotto to the hospital; Mayweather ducked Cotto.
Pacquiao KO Hatton COLD and RETIRE him; Mayweather ko Hatton.
Pacquiao TKO De La Hoya; Mayweather won only by unanimous decision.
Statistics DON’T LIE, only Mayweather and his fans keep lying.
Hammer, keep on believin’ like that. All Manny needs to do is “take the test” right? Got a question for you. Why wouldn’t Floyd fight Cotto or Margarito? You probably would be believe on the Easter Bunny too if Floyd told you he was real. You know the EB ain’t real right? Go check with Pretty Boy before you answer!
The findings are that Manny wouldn’t take the tests and he himself put the doubt in everyone head,not Mayweather!!If he just would have took the tests without all the lame dumb excuses as to why not to take the tests,we would not be talking about this!!!So what about how its going on in the defamation case(which i have heard nothing about except that Floyd kept getting continuances because he was busy training),so where you get yo info from???Just because Floyd aint came with no evidence at the case dont mean a thing,because the proof is in the pudding,Manny balked and came with excuses and deadlines on random drug testing!!Even his GOD wont let him take the tests remember that???Now all of a sudden he supposedly will(still never said out in the open that he will and i hope he tells us at the post fight interview with Marquez),why not at the beginning when you first got asked???
The bottom line is, Floyd is afraid to get into the ring with Manny.
Even the haters know this. Think about it. The self proclaimed “greatest fighter of all time” won’t fight Manny because they think he’s on PEDS, yet when given the chance to present his findings in court to support his case, Floyd wimps out, not once but numerous times. You would have to be irrational to believe that.
suspicious or not, floyd still want no part of current Pacquiao. Let’s assume Pac is on power peelets, doe’s that mean Floyd won’t beat him? Why won’t Floyd embarrass Pacquiao in the ring leaving all the doubts in his fans minds. He’s an easy target right? a one dimensional midget. Truth is Floyd is unsure if he could beat Pacquiao or not. As far as everybody knows Pac is ready to take the stupid test. Now, where is Floyd?
I just wanna say that the judge did not score wrong in Pacman VS Marquez 1!!Watch Mayweather VS Corrales video and Emanuel Steward will explain in that fight,what happened in Pacman vs Marquez fight!!Since Mayweather knocked down Corrales 3 times in 1 round,and i quote”some judges will only score the round at most 10-7,because 10-6 would put the other fighter at an insurmountable advantage”!!!Meaning that judge still had faith that Marquez could come back(which he did)while the other judges just wrote him off and put him in a deeper hole because they thought the fight wouldnt go to the scorecards!!Also Roach been around when Marquez schooled Manny the first 2 times!!Someone was clamoring about Roach helping Manny soooooo much!!!Roach aint ishhh!!If he was Manny would still not be a work in progress ex.no defense still,no jab,right hand still not that effective but Manny can use it!!Roach is still tying Manny left hand behind his back to get him to use the right more!!I mean come on,this cant be the best fighter if he still is learning!!I say let Manny slug because that is what makes him great!!Boxing gets Manny in trouble,because frankly he aint good at it and is still learning!!Manny should win this fight,but if the strategy is to box Marquez(which he tried to do in the second fight and failed miserably but was giving the fight),he wont get that gift decision this time around even with 1 knockdown of Marquez!!KO or look like an mere mortal once again in a close UD or split decision and say we going back to the drawing board!!
@Scott from Nevada
Your analysis of Pac’s evolution is right on the money. His stamina is highly suspicious and him and the Pactards and not men enough to proof us wrong by undergoing RBT
Floyd is still #2 officially period.
FLoyd beating Pacquiao is all talk until he mans up and grow some balls. This is the same big nose who uses his nose in his mans ar$e.
In your dreams Big Nose!
Scott from Nevada.. STFU
To:Dencio the half African and half pinoy and half pinay. Ortiz was getting outboxed and was about to get koed in the middle rounds.
Judah,Corley,Hatton wouldn’t even last 12 rounds in their primes against Ortiz.
@Hears The Thing
Marquez a slow counter puncher gave Pac problems and even beat him. Now imagine what Mayweather would do to the pedman? about Ortiz he had just showed us he had heart and determination when he had beat Berto and became the WBC champ.
First, its “La Dinamita”
Second, 7-1 Odds
It is not gaining weight that makes people suspicious. Pac was an average fighter his whole career and some how got unlimited stamina while training with Roach! Most fighters keep the boxing skills even getting better in the skill dept like Mayweather as years go on. Seeing a little guy move up in weight while gaining power is not natural, at least not this degree of it! Peds are rampant in sports that have a lot of cash involved. All while refusing total random testing makes people wonder. He will always have this [*] next to his name forever. Look at Barry bonds head b4 and after. Same with Pac. They have huge heads for some reason…If you are a real boxing fan and not a nut hugger you will acknowledge peds in sports and at least side with random testing…Bob Arum will never do it but it is a nice thought.
@ Tommy Brennan: for goodness sakes, Pacquiao was only 17 when he weighed 105 pounds and he was starving in the Philippines.
I put on more weight than that since I was 17 and guaranteed have never used PEDS.
How much have you gained since you were 17?
@ tommy
Stop the PED issue on Pac, Floyd Sr can’t prove it. They can’t attend the hearing even. It’s just a plain excuse not to fight the Pac. Plain & simple period. It’s Floyd who said to Pac before ” you’re next”. Enough hype, convince your idol to have balls!!!
Packman still has quite a lot to do before he reaches the level Floyd operates on, unfortunately….the skill is in-born and there is no replica.
@ BIG NOSE
Think and watch before you type. Even if Ortiz is feared of his right hook as you say, he will never win by putting his 2 hands down, staring at the referree and wait for Fraud’s punch. Watch the fight!!!!
Let it go losers. Floyd is clearly the best by a mile.
money mayweather all the way too slick for paquiao all you need to wake up if you think a man goes from 105 to 145 naturally!!!!!!
WTF!!!???? I don’t event see Floyd’s name mentioned in this article. Let it go, enough is enough about the fight of the century that will not happen.
Big Nose thinks Ortiz is “KNOWN FOR” his right hook.
HAHAHA..obviously this cat isn’t a true boxing aficionado.
The clown doesn’t know Ortiz is known for quitting.
The top 3 favorite lines of Flomosapiens:
1) 42 have tried and 42 have failed
2) Take the Test
3) Leftovers
LMFAO.
This is when you know they have nothing left. It’s called DESPERATION.
polo says:
October 31, 2011 at 8:07 am
@haley a baby could have beat oscar that night with how drained he was day of the fight he weighed less then manny. Floyd also saw what mosley did to margarito and what ortiz did to berto and still took them on. Manny saw what floyd did to marquez thats why he is facing him at two pounds heavier.
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Perfect excuse of a sore loser. Can’t handle the truth that pacquiao retired DLH for good while Floyd couldnt do anything but rather took a vacation..lol! Just tell your boy to stop hiding!
Another idiot…Ortiz isn’t known for his right hook you fool. PROVE IT.
And Floyd never took it away. Ortiz never utilized it to begin with. Did you even watch the fight? LOL
And Ortiz ain’t no Pacquiao fool. Not even close.
And you obviously missed the point. If Corley, Judah, and hatton have had success landing right hooks on top of Floyd’s left jab, Imagine what Pacquiao would do.
Get off Floyd’s nuts buddy.
42 have tried and 42 have failed! You guys said Hatton and Mosley would knock me out! I would never fight them. Manny Pac never beat them so no way I would fight them.
AFTER I signed to fight them, you all said I would get some fake injury and pull out of the fight. As the fight got close you said all I would do is run while fighting! Wrong yet again! I am the best! I beat these guys when others are scared to take them on, so they fight stable mates.
hahaha! Poor idiot Did you know what was Ortiz known for ? I’ll tell you for his ‘Right Hook’ and look what happen . Mayweather took that way and he also took ortiz left hand away .
Pactards, let me say this. Juan Manuel Marquez may not win, but I guarantee each and every one of you that Manny Pacquiao will struggle with Marquez. JMM starts slow, and the early rounds may go to Pacquiao. Just remember the last 2 fights that were controversial and could have EASILY gone either way if a new group of judges were in place.
As far as Mayweather, remember, Floyd has a 2″ height advantage, a 5″ reach advantage, and a definite intelligence advantage. The hype for this fight will be bigger than the fight itself. Mayweather will win EASILY, IMHO!
What up b1tches…
Do you ladies actually know why Bob said Floyd fears Pac’s right hand?
here…lemme refresh your clouded memories:
1) Corley vs Floyd: Watch the fight again and pay attention to how the southpaw staggered Floyd with right hands to FLoyd’s dome.
2) Judah vs. Floyd: Watch the fight again and notice how Zab staggered Floyd (although it wasn’t ruled an official KD) with a right hand.
3) Hatton vs Floyd: Watch the first three rounds of the fight and pay attention to how Hatton’s pressure style and ambush strategy proved very effective for Hatton’s right hand.
4) Notice how Floyd and his fairy of a dad starting their steroid campaign immediately after Pac defeated Hatton? Yeah ladies….it’s because Daddy Floyd noticed Pac’s overpowering RIGHT HAND and the potential of what it could do to Floyd. And then Floyd saw what Pac’s right hand did to Cotto. And then to Margarito. And now Floyd is scared out of his wits.
ANY REAL BOXING AFICIONADO WOULD KNOW that Pac has created a new weapon with his right hand. It’s the COUNTER RIGHT HOOK that staggers all of Pac’s opponents. Pac throws it EVERY TIME HIS OPPONENT JABS WITH THE LEFT. Pac’s right hook goes over the opponents left jab as Pac moves laterally to his right, further increasing the chance of delivering a staggering shot to his opponent’s left temple. Floyd knows this and Floyd knows Pac’s right hook counter will overpower Floyd’s silly lil left jab. And Floyd knows Pac can EAT ALL OF FLOYD’s STRAIGHT RIGHTS NO PROBLEM. What Floyd is worried about are five things:
1) Pac’s KO left hook
2) Pac’s unpredictable right hook counter
3) Pac’s feinting ability
4) Pac’s UNMATCHED work rate and volume punching
5) Pac’s HEART AND WARRIOR MENTALITY
I’d be shocked if Floyd ever gets in the ring with Pacquiao at this stage in his career.
And oh btw…been around Team Pacquiao for the last month and a half…and my boy is going to RELEASE AND UNLEASH THE KRACKEN on Nov. 12th. Mark my words. And 1.5 plus million people in the U.S. are gonna bear witness.
@Bagets it seems you didn’t watch the fight .I saw Floyd won 10 rounds and Oscar only 2.Now how about Are you sure Pac beat Marquez in that 2008 rematch ?
@Spider Yes I know that already. The problem is that Oscar and Pacquiao are both naturally left-handers ,even though Oscar fights out of a right-hander stance he is a left-hander converted. so this means pac and Oscars strong punch come from the same area and with Floyds right arm always having it up as a defense the left hand will never land. thats why Ortiz didn’t know what else to throw and gave floyd a head bud.
@Spider Yes I know that already. The problem is that Oscar and Pacquiao are both naturally left-handers ,even though Oscar fights out of a right-hander stance he is a left-hander converted. so this means pac and Oscars strong punch come from the same area and with Floyds right arm always having it up as a defense the left hand will never land. thats why Ortiz was getting didn’t know what else to throw and gave floyd a head bud.
@haley a baby could have beat oscar that night with how drained he was day of the fight he weighed less then manny. Floyd also saw what mosley did to margarito and what ortiz did to berto and still took them on. Manny saw what floyd did to marquez thats why he is facing him at two pounds heavier.
Floyd saw what happened to Oscar. That is why he wants no part of Manny!
@Ross, Floyd din’t convincinly won the fight againts Oscar, Pac made it convincinly thats why Oscar quit din’t even try to ask for a rematch even in the higher weight, that why Floyda is deathly scared fighting the Pac!!!
@BIGNOSE!!! you sure Floyd win the fight againts Oscar?
Why on earth would Roach use the same gameplan anyway!!
@ spider finaly somone on hear knows aboutnboxing
@ BIG NOSE.
You devise a game plan based on your fighter’s ability.
The game plans for 2 fighters against the same opponent are not the same because those 2 fighters have different set skills.
For example:
1) A coach may advise Muhammad Ali to box from the outside against Larry Holmes because Ali’s a skillful boxer.
2) That same coach may instruct Mike Tyson to go inside against Holmes because of Tyson’s power.
So to answer your question, Roach’s strategy for Pacquiao will be different than the strategy that he used for De laHoya because he’s dealing with 2 fighters with different set of skills.
@ eman
mate i am sorry but go watch the fight again mayweather won clearly
@Eman: Fellow Pac fan here, but please do not use the Dela Hoya bout as a measuring stick. It is weak.
ROSS;
I THINK YOU GAVE US A WRONG MESSAGE THAT LITTLE FLOYD WON CONVINCINGLY AGAINST OSCAR. IT IS NOT CONVINCING TO WIN VIA A SPLIT DECISION, BECAUSE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THAT OSCAR VS LITTLE FLOYD IS STILL A BIG QUESTION MARK WHO IS THE REAL WINNER.
IN CONTRAST, THE PACMAN WON AGAINST OSCAR VIA TKO ON THE 8TH, ODLH DID NOT ANSWER THE BELL BECAUSE HE KNEW THERE IS NO WAY TO BE VICTORIOUS AGAINST THE PACMAN.
how do u no that pac man wants it more???????? u been training with them both big dwag?
manny is going down well maybe not jaun is 45 years old
@Ross I know these pactards will even fail to even answer the question. They don’t understand that Floyd has already expose that style before and Roaches plan will fail again against Mayweather.
@big nose
These Pactards will answer you with something about how Manny beat Oscar more convincingly What they fail to mention is, Floyd fought Oscar at his natural weight. Not some c h i k e n s h i t catchweight.
I’m not a Floydfan nor a Pacfan . But how is Roach going to plan a game plan to beat Mayweather jr,when actually he failed back on 2006 with Oscar Fishnets De La Hoya .some1 please answer me !
Which same techniques? are you saying Marquez is doping now?
Marquez will get his third victory come the 12th of Nov.
its going to be another war!!!!!!!!!!!
The execution will be carried as planned on the 12th of November without the judges help. Marquez will retire the same day with $5M in the bank. Not a bad retirement pay.
Manny is more determine to win than Marquez … but the fight will be fight of the year … no head butting or cheap shots!!!