The Anatomy of Two Fighters – Mayweather and Pacquiao
June 23rd, 2011
By Alex Piner: It’s puzzling how many can simply conclude that Floyd shall win solely on the basis of his 0-loss card. Undeniably it is an important element, but certainly not the only factor to consider. When we look into the annals of great fighter like Ali, Frazier, Sugar Ray Leonard, Holyfield, Hagler, etc…..
MAYWEATHER JR. (41W, 25KO) PACQUIAO (53W, 38KO, 3L, 2D)
Period Fights W KO KO % AVE LBS Period Fights W KO KO % L
D AVE LBS
1995 0 114 *1995 10 10 4 40% 98
1996 – 2000 24 24 18 75% 125 1996 – 2000 21 20 17 66% 1 122
2001 – 2005 11 11 6 54% 136 2001 – 2005 14 10 10 71% 2/ 2 132
2006 – 2010 6 6 1 16% 147 2006 – 2010 12 12 7 58% 145
2011 1 147
Amateur W L Amateur W L
84 6 60 4
*Manny started his Pro-career a year earlier then Floyd
WEIGHT FACTOR. Pac had a dramatic weight increase from 1995 to 2000. He was then an under-aged 16 year old kid who turned pro and gained about 24 pounds through his adolescent years. Floyd at that time was already turning 20 when he entered the pro league. Other than that, both boxers’ average weight increases were within the norm.
STATISTICAL ANALYSIS: Floyd’s advantage over Pac is his 0-loss card. Pacquiao on the other hand, is the only 8 division world champion, the first to win 10 world titles, and the first to win lineal championship in 4 weight classes. Let’s go beyond the obvious and dissect the quality of their wins. Overall, 61% of Floyds wins were by KO, while Pac is 71%. When we further break this down into three phases, a different picture emerges.
1st PHASE (1996-2000): When Floyd entered the pro-league, he was ripe. In fact, he already peaked in KO wins at 75% within the first 5 years. Floyd’s amateur stint honed him into an enigmatic boxer whose style bewildered his opponents. Meanwhile, Pac turned pro at a tender age of 16. At that time, he sorely lacked the advantages that Floyd had in the areas of nutrition, coaching, training and equipment. Pac’s KO wins was at 66% with one loss. After 6 years, Asia had become too small for the 22 year old boxer.
2nd PHASE (2001-2005): Floyd’s KO wins slid down to 54% as he faced much tougher opponents. He evolved into a master defense tactician with impeccable timing, grace and style . Clearly, he was a cut above the rest. Floyd was besieged by adulation, his charisma magnetized even his detractors, and some even turned cultic. In 2001, the collaboration between Pac and Roach begun. Under Roach’s tutelage, Pac was given the technical tools he needed to shift his talent into high gear. Pac broke into the US scene as a substitute boxer against an African phenomenon Ledwaba. Roach and Pac had two weeks to prepare for this fight. What was supposed to be a walk in the park for Ledwaba turned into his worst nightmare on the 7th round. Pac pressed harder and took a lot of risks in the ensuing years. However, this electrifying style cost him a price tag of 2 losses and 2 draws. Pac remained unfazed and his KO wins managed to peak at 71%.
3rd PHASE (2006-2010): At this time, both boxers attained prominence. Floyd’s KO stats went south at 16%. He only had 1 KO win in all the 6 fights he faced the entire 5 year period. Floyd’s slacking is a big mystery and no explanation has been given. Many attribute this to Floyd’s brittle hands or may be he simply didn’t care. Despite the sporadic absence in the sport, his fans gave him a pass, even to the point of condoning his spurts of misdemeanor and brushes with the law. Pac’s KO stats went down to 58% meaning that for every two fights, he won 1 via KO. By any standard, it is an impressive record, since he faced bigger and top of the line challengers in different weight divisions. This could also mean that Roach had reinforced Pac’s defensive moves and toned down his exciting but risky offensive play. At that time, Team Pacquiao appeared to have put their sights on Floyd. Hence, they pitted Pac against many of Floyd’s conquests and those he seemingly avoided, with all the intention of surpassing Floyd’s performance. The boxing community took notice but this strategy backfired on Pac. Floyd managed to deflect the likes of Cotto, Margarito, Clottey and now Pac was like a gum stuck to his shoe. Floyd does not respond kindly when taken out of his comfort zone. Floyd is very protective over his 0-loss card, hence, no one can dictate whom he will fight next. He does the picking himself and in his own terms. Instinctively or ill-advised, Floyd initiated a nasty crusade to discredit Pacquiao as a PED user.
CONCLUSION:
Floyd and Pac are in different stages in their careers. Floyd’s stats and frequency of fights show an apparent deceleration that started four years ago. Whether it was by design or unintended is immaterial. Floyd believes that he can beat everyone, even the law. This is exactly what makes him erratic, unpredictable and yes, dangerous. He has already proven that. His advisers should rein him back to the mainstream; leave the policing to the drug experts; and just do what everyone is doing. On the other hand, Pac’s stats are active and sustained by his continued domination in the ring. He is known for his exciting fights but the recent decline in KO wins has become a source of disappointment among his fans that are addicted to his offensive gems.
Truth be told, Floyd’s PED accusations has taken Pac hostage. The well-funded lawsuit was a brilliant strategic move. Golden Boy Promotions already recoiled while confusion now surrounds Team Mayweather. On the down-side, for as long as this fight is up in the air, possible contenders for Pacquiao are likely to be deemed second-rate picks. Shifting to junior middleweight limits his chances to dominate this division because of his smaller physique. Attaining the pinnacle of Pacquiao’s marketability at this point has become more difficult and costlier; hence, the lawsuit filed on Floyd was completely warranted.
Floyd’s 16 month inactivity draws questions on his current skills. Has he become rusty or is he even better because of less wear and tear? Outside of Floyd’s circle, no one truly knows his physical condition. People may just watch the Ortiz fight to gauge how Floyd could measure up to Manny or vice-versa. Hence, all roads still lead to these 2 boxers. The fact that Floyd chose a lesser opponent insinuates self-doubt, otherwise, he could have confidently chosen Pac. Fighting Ortiz is his biggest professional and financial gamble Floyd has made in his entire career. The only big windfall Floyd can ever expect at this point will come from the Pacquiao match-up. The latest figure dangled was 60M, which is a dream come true for any boxer. If he loses to Ortiz, this will certainly vanish into thin air.
One thing is certain, there will be no meeting of the minds. This match-up simply provokes a non-ending wild chatter and quite possibly a slugfest. Floyd has to realize that the world changed while he was sleeping. Whether he likes it or not, defeating Pac is the thing that can respectably move him out of his self-imposed dormancy that casts reservations on his winnability. The pressure is heavier on Floyd since he has to protect his 0-card, the very soul of his identity. Then he has legal and personal problems that are starting to overtake him. If Floyd loses, this will completely decimate his world. Finally, there is this lingering issue about his brittle hands which many believe is the reason behind his sabbatical leaves. On the other side of the ring, the pressure on Pac is lesser. He has no legal or personal crisis to distract him so far. He showed grace when he lost three times in the past and consistently emerged a better fighter. Pac’s outlook is simple, he honors God with a thankful heart, has not forgotten where he came from and has defined his timeline. Even if he loses, Pac knows that his fans will not abandon him. He has already set in motion another profession that gives him bigger platform to serve people in a more significant way.
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Ross says:
June 23, 2011 at 5:15 pm
@ oink oink
I have brought the Kristina Ranillo controvery up with Pactards. They simply say it is gossip and I should stick to talking about boxing. How much “keep quiet”money did he spend on Kristina Ranillo?lol
@jonnyl
Look at Manny. He hangs out with Paris Hilton. The most materialistic ,shallow person in the world. Pac Fans brag about it.
He buys gifts for his Mom and his wife ( probably out of guilt because he cheated on her ).
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look at those post above…and judge what kind of man Ross is.
paris hilton and her boyfriend just broke up a few days ago…and Ross might blame pacman for that too.
Ross thought he is on a moral crusade…by engaging in racy tabloid gossips. now, those who have no sin…may cast the fist stone. HYPOCRITES!!!
I love this article. First time I have seen a very objective and informative piece. I agree that floyd and paquaoi are on a slightly different timeline. I would just like to bring up the fact that although Paqauoi has had a higher knockout percentage, he has fought many a fighter who was coming off a knockout or definitive decision loss(Cotto, Margarito, Mosley, Hatton, Clottey). Still a match up between these two is the boxing fans only chance at a resurection of the sport. And still, it is only a chance. We need both fighters to show up, do their deeds, do what they do best. Hopefully they both get dropped, shows signs of vulnerability and both get up to fight a nailbiting back and forth drama we used to see in the 80′s!!! We can only hope and pray…and wait and see!!!
PACQUIAO IS THE ULTIMATE TEST FOR FLOYD!
BREAKING NEWS ON PAC/MARQUEZ NETWORK BIDS:
“We’re in the process now of making a decision within the next week. HBO blew us over last night with its proposal. We’re not dealing with the sports department. We’re dealing directly with the chief executives. I never believed that they would come up with anything like this.”
UPDATE:
Based on Ortiz vs Floyd with Ortiz experience and all, HBO might go out on a limb on their Pro vs. Average match and give out a “COMPLIMENTARY POPCORN”…….WOW!!!!!!
@floyd fan says:
June 24, 2011 at 1:43 pm
“if your boss offered you 20 k and 2 weeks paid vacation to submit to rbt would you turn it down because you dont like him? and do you know anyone who would turn this option down that was clean?”
I think Im missing something here, When and how did mayweather became a boss to Pacquiao?
Anatomy? LOL, Floyd doesn’t have an Anatomy.
lol @ voids fake retirements too! He does that to avoid top comp too!
void fan. I am not a fan of Pac either you idiot! And why are you equating a boxers FAKE undefeated record to guys butt holes? WTF? North of 135, floyd has time and time again avoided the best fighters out there. This is common knowledge in the boxing world. Pac stacks the deck in his favor too, but floyd is THE worst about it! He protects that fake “0″, so he can continue to make the big $$$$, while sacrificing his legacey and place in history. If all boxers were like void, our sport would die!
@ amp op
all pac fans you wanna know where floyds o is ? bend over and look at your own butt you will see it there looking back at you
floyd big baller
@ zdrx
i see your still spewing lies huh? as a pacquiao fan i would like for you to explain why manny wont take RBT to prove to his loyal following like you that he is clean?
and dont repeat the lies about needles, and weakness etc
if your boss offered you 20 k and 2 weeks paid vacation to submit to rbt would you turn it down because you dont like him? and do you know anyone who would turn this option down that was clean?
floyds “0″ is fake!
@kev…”the 2nd negotiations came”…
…there never was a negotiation – P#ssy Boy Floyd
kev,
as the champion, if pacman accepted too quickly a challenger’s absurd demand…he would have looked like an idiot. it is important to note pacman did not reject blood test…but negotiated up to 18 days cut off, because of training.
nevertheless, their negotiated cut off dates became immaterial in the 2nd negotiation…when pacman agreed to be blood tested even up to 5th round of the fight. it is important to note how floyd reacted when an angry pacman was ready to bite the bullet:
>>> floyd disappeared and scampered in every directions.
>>> floyd denied there was negotiation…but greenburg said there was.
>>> floyd had panic attacks, nearly lost his mind, then he self destruct.
@zdrx..floydiots have no common sense, let alone a brain.
@tochi
really lol is that why pac avoided fighting African american fighters until he was forced due to lack of options and then he fights the old one coming off a destruction by PBF? get real dude
@zdrx
your info is slightly off…. mayweather said during the first negotiations that if pacq didnt accept the 14 day cut off then there would be none the next go around and pac said he still wanted a 24 day cutoff then the 2nd negotiations came and he agreed to 14 days… knowing mayweather wouldnt agree…. whats the difference between 14 days in march and 14 days in november is the question…. if he wasnt scared why not accept the 14 days the first go around?
to square hard face pacman in the ring more tune-up floyd more tune-up, don’t be scared more tune-up i advice you floyd more tune-up be wise…more money without you in the ring with pac… thats why more tune-up floyd… learn how to boxing pac, learn more floyd.. back to school boxing ring…floyd..
CHIROCKA says:
June 23, 2011 at 3:54 pm
I lay the blame on both of them equally. I WANT THE CAMERAS AT THE NEGOTIATION TABLE. I WANT TO KNOW WHICH FIGHTER IS DENYING US BOXING FAN THIS MATCH UP.
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no need for cameras. common sense is enough to know who’s denying us THE BIG FIGHT.
read floyds body language:
>>> OSDT-RBT demand.
>>> changing his RBT to NO CUT OFF…when pacman was ready for his 14 day cut off demand.
>>> disappeared and scampered in every directions when pacman agreed to be blood tested even during the fight.
>>> realizing that an angry pacman is now ready to take his blood test challenge…FLOYD PANICKED, SELF DESTRUCT AND NEARLY LOST HIS MIND.
>>> silent every time pacman is looking for an opponent and wants to fight him…but runs his mouth when pacman is locked to fight someone else.
>>> feigning legal woes and acting not ready for a fight when pacman was free and vacant…but when pacman signed marquez for a fight…floyd quickly grabbed greenhorn ortiz for a fight.
for floyd more tune -up floyd more and more tune-up to face pacman in the ring to high your confidence more and tune-up khan next.. sotto, bradley. maidana, or eric morales best pick-up for safe… floyd for safe
@ Pezgato…….Floyd is at peace in the ring….and would wipe “his you know what” with Pacman….
A master boxer like Floyd would have no problem with the talented but very easy to hit Pacman….easy pickings…
Very true bro…Very true.
Floyd is a horrible human being, Floyd is a women beater Floyd is this 7 that….Hey Pinoy’s I agree the man is a d*ck outside the ring at times but inside it he will absolutely destroy Pacquiao & with that the hopes of a nation.
Mayweather by UD…….All day long!!!
Ask Pacquiao to take a lie detector test….I bet he would refuse, listen everyone know’s Manny has used the Steroids, you don’t get knocked about at Lightweight & then all of a sudden start KO Welterweights.
It seems to me that Pinoy’s don’t care If their hero Pacquiao is clean or not.
I love to watch both guys but no doubt If they fight Mayweather wins.
Mexicans, South Americans, Europeans, Asians are dominating boxing today. Americans are getting knocked out left and right! All the Americans can do is come up with lame excuses to avoid fighting and get knocked out and humiliated in the process. Americans, specially the blacks are cowards! They are proficient in trash talking but inept in fighting.
Why is it few floydiots here still crying about testing, I wonder if they’re just bots here in this site.
Bottom line if pac had nothing t to hide why couldn’t he take a test of blood two weeks before a fight two weeks! Enuff said!
Well done Mr. Piner. This one is a real good read and a different approach on analysing both boxers. Hope to hear more from you. Would be great to hear your thoughts on the haye-klitschko fight. Cheers.
Another anatomy…….
Floyd is a constant law-breaker. Manny is a law abiding citizen of the world.
TAKE THE DEPOSITION FLOYD….it’s the law….don’t break your own law.
@Anonymous look what hatton did to floyd? hatton did not land nuthin all fight against floyd. hatton landed 63 punches in 10 round lol
@floyd fan
HAHA
Sorry you stuck with the test.
Your not updated..
Foyd is fighting Ortiz in Sept. we will see if Floyd gonna fight again or retire for several months or resign forever.
HAHAHA
@pasaway
i have yet to hear a logical reason why pacquiao wont take the test, we all have heard the lies about needles and weakness but on one hand pacquiao as well as his dans claim that he fights for the people then he goes out and fights a shane mosely admittedly for the money and i have nothing against that but just say that the people want to see him fight floyd he had ample time to negotiate a deal on the test and now the terms have changed and he wants the old terms
floyd’s anatomy:
Head with no brain
Body with V A G I N A!
Floyd fans think that it was Pacquiao’s refusing to RBT is the reason this mega fight is not happening.
Have you ever thought that the request of RBT is actually the reason.
WHAT IS EASIER TO DO? DECLINING THE RBT OR DROPPING THE REQUEST FOR RBT.
I’m not a fan of both, but a simple logic can stop this nonsense debate, just use your head, not your heart.
Ross is a Filipino. Are you the former data analyst from SENCOR? hehehe
Pac loves the haters.
Jealousy and Envy are the roots of all evil.
Keep hatin’ bustas.
Pac is gratefull for what he has,,thats why he is blessed.He love what his doing,,
People hate when I tell the truth pac is a media creation hasn’t fought anyone on a winning streak young or undefeated fights are a waste of time, Mosley now Marquez, Floyd on a year layoff fighting Ortiz arum would have never let pac fight Ortiz until someone or Floyd beats him just like pac wanted no parts of Mosley until Floyd beat him and YouTube videos are there to prove this
Floyd got nothin’
Floyd’s fans got nothin’
When Manny puts a beatdown on Floyd, all you clowns will change your names and pretend you were Manny fans all along.
And I’m gonna be here with the same damn name, win or lose. And i will still school you guys.
Good article. I think it actually confirms why the Mayweather’s have their suspicions about Pacquiao using PED’s. The writer points out both fighters KO percentages early on in their careers, which both fighters had high KO percentages. However as both fighters ascended to higher weight divisions Mayweather’s KO percentages declined and Pacquiao’s remained high. Many people will attribute Mayweather’s decline in KO’s to his hand problems, but many believe it’s because most fights just don’t carry their power as they move up in weight. That’s where the suspicions began. In Mayweather’s mind, and I’ve heard him say it, no fighter carries power from 106-154, and he should know because they’ve traveled similar paths in terms of boxing. What cemented Mayweather’s suspicions was Pacquiao’s reaction during the first negotiations.
The truth says: this guy needs to take floyds balls out of his mouth!
The truth says: this guy The truth just wants to give Mayweather a blow Job!
If it was Floyd that wouldn’t take the test the media would crucify him and his accomplishments would become suspect!
Pacquiao couldn’t even ko a fly. actually he would ko himself.
Pacquiao will defeat floyd very easy no doubt..
Is Mayweather’s defensive style really impressive??? NO… Look what hatton and Mosley did to him and you’ll see how overrated his defensive style… The true master of defensive style will be no other than Roy Jones Jr. Mayweather not even close.
A pretty good comparison of the two fighters. I agree except for a little correction on the SECOND Phase, Pacquiao had one (1) loss (to E. Morales) and two (2) draws (to A. Sanchez and J.M. Marquez) since he defeated Ledwaba.
I just believe Manny is better than Floyd.
I watched Floyd’s last two fights and there was nothing exciting about it.
He was bigger than Marquez and won on points.
He was faster than Mosley and again won on points.
Floyd should have laid out Marquez and Mosley … Floyd won on points by ducking, jabbing and running … it was BORING.
With Manny, he does not run … he just dominates the fight… because that is what he is suppose to do.
I’m bakla ako!mua!big nose!
this is bs pacman is just as scared of floyd as he is of him. if anyone hand picks there opponents its pacman his last few fights we all knew the outcome before the fights even took place. everytime floyd fights besides the marquez fight everyone says this might be the fight he loses. give floyd his respect he belongs with the elite and i also agree that pacman uses steroids no other boxer has ever picked up weight and there punching power increased with it. this guy is knocking the bigger guys out quicker than he was the smaller ones.
HAHA
I don’t worship Floyd, I just think he is a better boxer than Manny.
Floyd Fans worships BOXING BIGGEST LIAR, CHEAT and FAKE.
Floyd … man-up and just sign the contract with Manny without all the excuses.
The pactards here are so stupid. Their blind hero worship is laughable. @ heres the thing, I am not going to waste time responding to you. You are delusional and will think that you just “schooled ” me. Lol So go ahead and think what you like. We will see who is schooled if Manny ever steps into the ring with Floyd. My guess is that you will not come back to this site.
good comment,but you neglect to mention, in term of weight Pacman has a wide range because he started at 105 lbs. going to 147 lbs. 40 lbs increase in weight is very difficult to do in boxing.
There are a lot of solid manifestation of how Floyd doesn’t seem to value the word “RESPECT”..
pacman
nevada commission
US court
it often happens to anybody reaching the pinnacle of his success.. thinking that he alone can be the master of everything that he can do whatever it takes regardless of the outcome.. there is a universal truth about what you did unto others will backfire to you.. Saddened to note that Floyd has set a sinister example for young american generation.. All leads to him while before more people will likely diminish respect for him, he needs to be a MAN-UP to confront it.. MAN-UP to face pacman, MAN-UP to face his legal problems, MAN-UP face the US court, so he can prove to all boxing fans once and for all the warrior of him inside and out of the ring.. One pragmatic thing he should do is put all his mouth into actions..From here, he can gain back the much needed respect he has then before..
Pac and mayweather.sort it out lets see the great fight..
To be honest, Floyd jr was my idol before because i thought that he’s the real boxer with great skills. But when i heard that he’s ducking Cotto, Margarito, Clottey and much more Pacman. I totally lost all the respect onhim meeeen.He’s not the real fighter and a genuine boxer meeeen. He’s just a simple selfish boxer that doesn’t care about his fans meeen.For me, right now…he’s the scared and coward boxer of all time. What a big,big shame on you Floyd jr.lol
@Roi. Agree. Just remove the NEVADA commission and replace it with Mayweather’s
@ Ross. For a drug user like you, definitely you will not agree on RBT. But for Pacman, it’s just a matter of pride for him not to agree on what Floyd is dictating to him. He is not the authority to impose such testing. For sure, if it is required by the state commission, he will abide by it.
Take the test Manny.
manny step up to the plate and take the test!
oh your afraid of needles right? no cause you have tatoos, next excuse ya ped using cheat!
PACMAN is the TRUE TEST of boxing … Floyd drop your excuses and TAKE THE TEST …. MANNY is WAITING FOR YOU!!
Floyd take the DEPO, sooner or later, the judge will rule against you. No one is above the law even though how ignorant you are.
Ross says:
June 23, 2011 at 6:02 pm
How much “keep quiet”money did he spend on Kristina Ranillo?lol
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I don’t know much about that issue but it appears to me that
Floyd Mayweather is a women beater while Manny Pacquiao is a women lover.LOL.
Stick to boxing people! Though I blame Floyd for the debacle,
because RBT is not necessary to make a fight! I do believe that
Floyd will win the bout IF they do fight. Floyd is asking for the test for an extra edge in the ring, because Pacquiao
still has the punchers chance.
HAHAHA
Ross got schooled again and again and again.
But one thing I noticed,Ross never learn a single thing..
HAHA
Floyds b1tches. Go suk his di(k.
Pacfans do you notice how low IQ Ross has!!! why you keep waisting your time dealing or arguing with this kind of Floyd loyalist fan!
If Floyd is the best, greatest boxer alive and most talented boxer why require the TEST on the smaller weak Manny.
Cleaning boxing … BS!!!!
He is playing mind games, and Manny wont play along.
y wont he test?
mr. alex piner says “Pac’s KO stats went down to 58% meaning that for every two fights, he won 1 via KO. By any standard, it is an impressive record, since he faced bigger and top of the line challengers in different weight divisions..”
oohh sure mister whatever helps u sleep at night!!
Giving away a couple of cars and motorcycles is not helping the poor.lol They were probably endorsment gifts. Raising the wages is fine if you are actually working. I would love to argue with you here all night, but I have somewhere to be right now. We can pick this back up later. Go ahead and
Start with your ” ohhh your ducking like you hero floyd” lol
@yourmomsfavorite
I said arguably….
Who cares if it is disrepectful.lol Manny is being a big baby about the testing. I thought Manny is humble. Where is all this pride coming from? Take the test and settle it in the ring. You should be angry at pacboy for not taking the fight. Then again, if they fight and pacboy loses, you will shrivel up and die.lol
How much “keep quiet”money did he spend on Kristina Ranillo?lol
@ at here’s the teeny weeny little thing
Give me some idea of how much of his own money Manny given away.
…the only difference >>> ‘cojones’. Floyd doesn’t have one.
@jonnyl
People need a hero and a villian in show business. Boxing is a sport but it is also entertainment. I believe that the reason this fight is talked about so much is that there is a hero and a villian. I also believe that both fighters are playing their roles up a bit. it think that Manny is not as nice and humble as he appears and Floyd is not as mean as arrogant as seems. Look at Manny. He hangs out with Paris Hilton. The most materialistic ,shallow person in the world. Pac Fans brag about it. Floyd pays for a fellow boxer’s funeral. Pac fans are strangely silent about it. …. Yes…if the tables were turned and Floyd refused the test, it would be a huge scandal…He would probably be ordered by the NSAC to take Mandatory Random Testing.
Pactards: the true cancer of boxing.
Floyd’s KO ratio dropped because he moved up in weight. Manny’s rise should have the same affects as Mayweather,but for some reason Manny has gotten stronger. Stop using the excuse Manny was 16 and blah blah blah
@oink oink…”Answer me please !”
Pac loves to “wine” and dine…
@Ross i know mate can you imagine if it was floyd who refused the drug test everyone would be all over him and calling him a cheater. but cus manny is a nice guy people think he wouldnt do such a thing like steroids lol, shane mosely is a nice guy and marion jones is a nice girl but guess what they were cheatin so why do people let manny off the hook when he refuses to take the test when asked to prove he is clean
@ oink oink
I have brought the Kristina Ranillo controvery up with Pactards. They simply say it is gossip and I should stick to talking about boxing.lol But it is okay to talk about Mayweather personal issues outside of the ring. It is no use reasoning with Pactards.
Pacfans you always wine about Mayweather doing this and that and comparing his personal life with pacquiao. Now let me tell you what do you gatta say about “adultery”? Pac was cheating on her wife with Ara-mina,and Christa Ranillo.
Answer me please !
@ CHIROCKA
This is a great idea. I agree with you 100%. They could even do a Live Pay Per View for this. I know I would buy it.
CHIROCKA says:
June 23, 2011 at 3:54 pm
I lay the blame on both of them equally. I would love to have the cameras rolling when both boxers are at the table negotiating this fight. Because that is the only way we as fans can know who is actually saying the truth. Did Pac agree to testing or did he leave a big pay day because he didnt want the test? WE have shows like 24/7 on hbo and 360 fight camp on showtime recording everything after the fight. I WANT THE CAMERAS AT THE NEGOTIATION TABLE. I WANT TO KNOW WHICH FIGHTER IS DENYING US BOXING FAN THIS MATCH UP.
It still blows me away that people think nothing of Manny refusing to take the Random Testing. They don’t think there is anything suspicious about that at all? Manny wants scheduled testing. Lol I’ve known drug users before and the thought of being tested terrifies them. You can easily beat drug tests if you know when they are going to happen.
@ roi
No unfortuately, I do this for free. I would love to get paid for this though.lol Hagler and Arum are old friends, so I don’t think it is unreasonable to think that Hagler is defending Arum and company.
Last i heard Manny wasn’t giving his money to the needy, He just bought another mansion in the Philippines. People try to make Manny out like he is Roberto Duran. Duran literally went on the streets and gave his purse money away to the poor. Manny wants to build hospitals and things like that, but he isn’t using his own money. He buys gifts for his Mom and his wife ( probably out of guilt because he cheated on her ).
why is ppl so busy with floyd life outside the ring insted of inside the ring ?
@ross
No wonder you defended Floyd,you are sure that Arum called Hagler to defend Pacquiao it is the same as the Mayweather accusing Pacquiao of Peds all speculations where are the proofs?I can speculate that Floyd pays you to defend him.
To Manny;
USADA doesnt work with “cut-off” dates. It’s either random or not. There is no such thing as “random up until a certain date”. They dont work like that. As a professional athlete, u should feel as certain sense of obligation to show fans of the sport that u are doing things the right way.
There is still one thing separate them when they reach their retirement. If Mayweather is not careful enough about his money and legal issues, he may end up in jail penniless while Pacquiao is giving away his money to the needy that generosity may lead him marching toward Philippine White House.
What Pinoy fail to understand that Floyd biggest opponent is father time…..and personal problems.
Floyd is at peace in the ring….and would wipe “his you know what” with Pacman….
A master boxer like Floyd would have no problem with the talented but very easy to hit Pacman….easy pickings…
It is easy to speculate that Floyd couldnt be touch by Pacquiao if he will not fight the no skills Pacquiao.This drug testing is redundant why Floyd not abolish the Nevada boxing comission and put up the Floyd boxing comission so that all boxers will be put to random drug test.
Hagler worked with Arum in the past. I’m sure that he was called upon by Arum to defend his current cash cow.
I suppose a lie detector test will weaken Manny too.lol
Whitaker wasn’t really better than Floyd on defense…he just have a different defense than Floyd…
Floyd’s defense is more settle…he waste less movements and focuses on blocking punches and countering to perfection…and the shoulder roll…
Hagler said who is Floyd to dictate terms,stop the nonsense just fight.
Agree.
Floyd should drop all the USADA tests demands and have Pacman take a lying detector test…
This way Pacman can’t say that telling the truth will weaken him….
You know what’s funny…Pacman will get more credit for beating old smaller JMM who Floyd dominated 2 years ago…while people will bash Floyd for fighting a young strong opponent who is the best welter not named Pacquiao.
Ortiz is a very good young fighter and a much tougher challenge than old lightweight champion JMM, who will have to move up to 144lbs or 9 pounds above his best fighting weight…
Look unless the fight is signed why waste this space on senseless material
Pacquiao should take USADA tests and face the best….Period…
Floyd clearly doesn’t need him. He can make 40M fighting Ortiz and GBP has a bunch a good fighters waiting in the wind to face Floyd.
Canelo for instance…is a mismatch but the Mexincans don’t think so and that’s all that counts.
Sergio Martinez at 154 is another big fight for Floyd.
Paul Williams down the line…
Floyd don’t the the midget…get it…
they need to fight each other to take each other to the next level. they are both all time greats at the minute but to be considered legends they have to fight and beat each other. At this point neither can be compared to the likes of leonard, duran, robinson as neither floyd or pac have had a truly big big fight and win yet and are unproven at the highest level against a fellow all time great in his prime. And manny needs to take the test
Different perspective analysis, very good. This fight will never happen though. Pac should not give in to Floyd’s demands and that should be the end of that. Pac’s legacy is there. Mayweather’s legacy is there as well. That is just the way things are.
its not floyd running-if pacquaio takes blood testing we got a fight.
Pacquiao will take scheduled announced testing, but not random! Random blood testing makes him “weak”!
They fight Floyd wins!