Arum taking Pacquiao-Mosley fight to Showtime – Boxing News
January 21st, 2011
By Chris Williams: Bob Arum has decided to take the May 7th bout between his fighter Manny Pacquiao and his opponent, 39-year-old Shane Mosley, and put it on Showtime instead of HBO. This change came about at the same time that HBO chose to put on the WBC title fight between Sergio Martinez vs. Sergiy Dzinziruk on March 12th instead of agreeing to show Miguel Cotto’s fight against an ancient 37-year-old Ricardo Mayorga. It seems like an easy choice for HBO to have made. On the one hand, you have a competitive fight with Martinez and Dzinziruk and on the other, you have pretty much a mismatch between Mayorga and Cotto. I know which fight I would have picked if I was working for HBO.
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I remember when Cbhris Williams was saying Mosley vs Mayweather is going to be a great fight. He was never critical of Floyd fighting old man Mosley. Saying this will be a good test for Floyd and Floyd will beat Shane. Also saying Floyd will easily beat Manny. Now you have Chris saying this is a garbage fight and a mismatch. If Chris says Floyd’s fight with Shane was good tough and not so easy fight and then he said Floyd can easily beat Manny, why would this be a mismatch? Or a garbage fight? According to Chris, if Floyd’s fight with Shane was good fight and a tough fight, why would this fight with Shane vs Manny would be a lesser tough fight? Yes Manny will beat Shane but it wont’ be a cakewalk.
Manny and floyd make all the ratings in boxing
Floyd ain’t fighting just now
Manny is therefore the only one making the ratings
Hbo want to make money- that’s it
Show time wanted to make money – that’s it
Show time promised bob and manny more money- that’s it
@jinx
I like your style and fully agree with what you said!
I’m sorry but whats wrong with payin 50+ to watch a brutal mismatch
I rathr see pacquiao demolishing a washed up fighter than floyd displaying his defence
Yo, I was hating on the choice of Mosley over JMM but now it does make sense. You see w/ a 24/7 style series on CBS it will hold more attention on average ppl because Mosely is more known. Boxing fans will watch this at the same rate they watch JMM/Pac on HBO. Arum knows he has something a bit more special w/ this Manny hype (whether you love or hate Pac). Honestly, a 24/7 type program on CBS peaks interest w/ people like my Dad who ask me about Manny from time to time but don’t really follow boxing. He is curious about Manny & knows who Mosley is but not JMM. JMM as an opponent is a better choice for us boxing fans but lets face it we’ll watch anyway. CBS w/ JMM is a fail. Arum was a step ahead, it is kind of genius! I was hating Arum last year for all this Top Rank in stable BS, but bringing boxing to a non cable network & also spreading fights to stadiums etc he is helping boxing. Only issue is his distaste for Golden Boy creates us missing fights. He deff wants to close Golden Boy.
Showtime is going to kill HBO this year watch. All the networks are positioning themselves to get in on the Floyd/Manny bandwagon. HBO and Greenburg just !@##$# themselves. King and Arum are about to take boxing back to the way it used to be. Targeting all networks and all house holds. The networks can see how Manny and Floyd are going to put BOXING back on the map. Sorry MMA. You need NEgROEs with attitude to push any sport. As far as Floyd is concerned once he is cleared watch how he starts promoting this fight. Watch how CBS produces a better show than 24/7. Watch how Manny takes that test and gets exposed. He will get paid but everyone will know how Arum was able to use HBO to fool the masses. HBO been in the boxing game for a long time. Too bad they fell in the hands of greed instead of trying to keep the integrity and honor of BOXING alive. Good riddance.
@ Pay Attention
It may take a hit or it may not. Part of the deal is that a 24/7 like program will be shown on CBS, possibly on primetime.
This will be the first time in years that boxing will be shown on network television.
CBS/Showtime also has way more viewers than HBO alone.
Whatever it does for the Pac-Mosley fight specifically doesn’t really matter when compared to how good something like this can be for the sport itself.
Hopefully everything turns out great.
The PPV numbers might actually take a hit, because if you already subscribe to showtime, you cab see it tor free, all showtime PPV events are free to showtime subscribers…
Without any Pacquiao or Mayweather fights on HBO. HBO would be struggling this year to have PPVs of at least 500K. Martinez, Marquez etc…. are not at the level of 500K PPV yet.
@Bri,
I’m talking about from 2008 when Pac won against ODLH. Even before Floyd Jr fought Oscar, Floyd Jr PPV was below 500K. Oscar is still the PPV king as neither Floyd or PAC has reached 2 million PPV on their own (w/o ODLH),
Going back to HBO, the dinner Bob Arum had with Ross was just to inform Ross that HBO would not be involved with the PAC/Mosley fight. The deal with Showtime was struck afterwards.
@makena. mosley was a partner with delahoya that means he recieved a portion of every bout set up by oscar. thats money that could have came in for years after he left this sport. stupid decision for short time money. arum has always been and will always be out for himself and himself only. everyone should know that by now.
The only thing that would be lacking in this fight would be the commentary nobody does it better than the guys at HBO
@Lapu Lapu ****
marquez floyd did over 1 million ppv.
mosley floyd did over 1 million ppv
floyd delahoya did over 2 million ppv
hatton floyd did close to 1 million ppv in u.s.
end of the day hbo will make there money. they have to think about more then just manny bouts. they will not bow down to arum and set up bouts like cotto’s next bout just to please arum. arum must have mistaken hbo for the wbc
In Arum’s defence, Since 2008, HBO has generated between 700K to 1.4 million in PPV on 7 fights. Two fights for Floyd Jr and five fights involving Pacquiao.
5 Pacquiao fights have generated HBO between 700K to 1.250 million since 2008.
With these numbers on Pacquiao fights, HBO is out of his mind not taking the PAC/Mosley fight on board.
I have a feeling that it was Bob Arum who rejected HBO and not the other way around as Uncle Bob is looking on expanding the Pacquiao franchise to a number of untapped audience overseas.
@mackena**8 arum is takin bout to showtime due to hbo not wantin the bout, he had no choice. hbo has been puttin it to showtime when it comes to this sport for a while now no comparison. manny needs to step it up. ppv will be lower then it would have been if bout was on hbo.
Yeah, right! So don’t watch the fight. Just contemplate writing in a tabloid. You might rise to be the Editor. You will go nowhere as a sports writer.
Chris William always highlights the negative stuff on Arum and Pacquiao and leaves out the positives.
Chris left out that Showtime/CBS has the ability to reach 115 million homes compared to HBO 28 million. CBS would be able to market the fight overseas to a number of countries never before reached by HBO. So the opportunity to expand the Pacquiao fights to a wider audience is what makes the deal with Showtime/CBS a good one.
So if the price is set at $40 instead of $60, it might break the 3 million PPVs.
I don’t care about HBO, Showtime or Arum. ‘Don’t even care if it’s Mosley, Mayweather or Marquez. Even don’t care if they fight in Cowboys or Vegas. Don’t even care if it’s catchweight or not. Whether drugged, old, PEDs, shot, black, american, slow, fast, tired, should’ve, could’ve, would’ve or whatever. Whether what you think on what is right or wrong. Don’t even care what’s happening to Floyd’s life. What we want is Pac’s bloody and relentless toe to toe style. Pac and Mosley? whether an upset or mismatch, boring or bloody, cheap or expensive… THIS WILL BE A BLOODY GREAT FIGHT!
Reports have it the Showtime/CBA has the potential to reach 115 million homes compared to HBO’s 28 million.
So potentially, the 2 million PPV plus for PAC/Mosley is within reach, easily with good marketing.
@Makena, unlike Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather speaks his mind on where and when he fights. I would be willing to bet that FMJ will stay with HBO because they have been very good to him. HBO events are ideal for Mayweathers’ fights.
I don’t know about anybody else, but Showtime just comes accross as second class. Just their production seems dark, and lacking.
Heads will roll in HBO. Thats multimillion bucks worth of business stolen by Showtime.
@Trix, HBO 24/7 is an HBO patented event. No HBO 24/7, that means poor showing on PPV.
GUARANTEED!!!
MAYWEATHER WINS THE PPV RACE…STILL.
HBO has impressed me today; money is not the end all of everything. Substance still matters.
I’m very impressed.
Trix is an A-typical Pactard! There is nothing good for Team Pacquiao about HBO refusing to show a Championship fight highlighting the supposed P4P. Spin it anyway you like…it’s a slap in the face and an acknowledgement that his fights are B…S…!
Arum is a grumpy old disgruntled man.
Ross Greenburg finally took a stand with Arum, Arum bs’d Greenburg, the media, the fans and anyone else involved with trying to make the Mayweather fight. Wow; HBO said NO to *Pacquiao.
That’s exactly what happened Bri. Ross Greenburg told Arum after Margarito…that’s it; Pacquiao has to fight a live-body or we won’t produce it. Arum almost got Greenburg fired last year with the bogus 2nd round of negotiations! Greenburg had to lie about there being a negotiation to save his job. HBO has said the same about Amir Khan; if it’s not a competitive fight-we don’t want it. Showtime killed HBO last year with the Super 6 tournament while Greenburg shrunk to nothing waiting on a deal between *Pacquiao and Mayweather. HBO is even acknowledging the “fake” that Arum has turned *Pacquiao into by refusing to cover the “foty” “fotd” “P4P” “unprecedented so called 8 division title winner”… Has a champion ever been disrespected/exposed as much as *Pacquiao?? Lol this is just the beginning; wait til he loses…the media will destroy him and demand for drug testing to further expose this Cheating fraud.
Chris Williams fails to see the big picture here. Showtime carrying the PPV means there is a chance that CBS, which is Showtime’s parent company will be involved with promoting the fight. What this means, given the fights May 7th date, if CBS decides to run a month long 24/7 type hype special (rumour is it is considering) it will run through April, which in turn means the hype for these specials and the fight itself, would run at the tail end of CBS’s coverage of March Madness. Regardless of who is fighting, having a network such as CBS with a vested interest in the promotion of the fight is good for boxing. It’s too bad Chris Williams is too busy being petty to see that this is a potential game changer for boxing.
whatever, millions would still watch came fight night
It’s official…. Mayweather vs Pacquiao will never happen…
What about 24/7??????
only reason this bout would be moved to showtime would be due to hbo saying no to showing this fight. a lot of news organisations have started to critisize what arum has been doing with manny. looks like even hbo has put the foot down and said no.