Khan-Maidana should have been a draw
December 13th, 2010
By Dave Lahr: After watching the Amir Khan vs. Marcos Maidana fight several times now and scoring each round carefully, I had no other choice but to score the fight a 12 round draw. Neither fighter did enough to win the fight, especially Khan.
Maidana was literally able to walk through Khan’s shots like they were jabs. That makes me question Khan’s power at the light welterweight level. He may been able to beat some obscure fighters like Dmitri Salita and weak punchers like Paulie Malignaggi, but he couldn’t do anything with Andriy Kotelnik and his punches didn’t make a dent against Maidana, who looked fresh at the end of the fight.
I scored rounds fight as follows: 3,6,7,10,11,12 for Maidana based on his bigger shots. Khan was able to get the better of Maidana in rounds 1,2,4,5,8,9. After the 9th, Khan was just exhausted and I felt he would have lost those rounds whether he was hurt or not. His legs were like noodles from all the running he had done.
You can only run so much before your legs give out on you. Ask Wladimir Klitschko. He ran from Ross Puritty all fight long and in the 11th Puritty took him when Wladimir had nothing left. This is Khan’s fault. He should have stood his ground and fought Maidana instead of moving so much. I think Khan would have done a lot better. But that’s the game plan that was fed to him by Freddie Roach. I don’t blame Khan for that.
There needs to be a rematch between Khan and Maidana because Khan didn’t prove anything and surely didn’t beat Maidana.
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Khan won six rounds, the first by 10-8 and Maidana had a point deducted for use of elbow. Khan won by at least 2 points, maybe more. Even Maidana didn’t claim a points victory. Poor attempt Dave Lahr
even with your scoring Khan would have won since he had a 10-8 in the first and another in the 5th with the point deduction. so in theory Dave, you believe Khan won the fight.
dave if it was so close how come people offering odds on betfair were offering odds of 50-1 on maidana winning going into last round and 1-12 on khan ?, maybe your scoring isnt that great, at the time of the fight i was wondering how people were seeing fight and looking at infight odds on betfair and other betting sites are a good indicator.
also dave a lot of fighters are ducking maidana, and khan at such a young age for a fighter whos not yet in his prime didnt duck maidana, if khan was a more experianced fighter hed have gone more for the body after that first rnd knockdown and i believe stop maidana easily within 8 rounds if not before.
for such a young inexperianced fighter at this level he did well.
You have no choice to score it a draw in the same way you have no choice in being retarded Dave. Anybody who knows something about boxing would know Khan won by AT LEAST 3rounds. Knowing that you ‘carefully’ went over the fight ‘analysing’ what happened just further goes to show how much of an imbicele you are for getting it wrong.
@ Steve. “A pathetic champion”?, perhaps Khan should’ve stayed in front of Maidana (a noted puncher), then you could’ve witnessed the knock out that you were so desperate to see!
says who? you? hahahahahahahahahahahaha….do you even have a brain?
Who the hell wrote this disgusting article? Are you blind? Are you sure that did you watched the fight? Amir was the more accurate puncher during that night and the one who landed heavier punches that shakes off Marcos Maidana. You better watched the video of the fight a 100 more times for you to realized that what you are talking is far from reality.
Amir is a pathetic champion. Any champion that runs around the ring to completely avoid contact should consider participating in another sport. I give kuddos to Maidana, which made the fight by pressing and smashing the better shots on Amir’s face. This shouldn’t have been even close but Cortez got in the way too much and the points taken were too much overcome. But Amir, please stop talking about a match against mayweather because you will get killed or you will run around the ring and probably onto the isles of the convention center to avoid getting hit.
AND IF MAIDANA HAD NOT TO SHAKE THAT PERFECT BODY SHOT I BELIVE HE WOULD HAD KNOCK HIM OUT PEOPLE DONT KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO SHAKE OFF A BODY SHOT LIKE THAT FROM 3 TO 4 ROUNDS TO GET THE WIND BACK BUT IT WAS A DRAW MAIDANA MADE THE FIGHT HE COULD HAD JUST TOLD DOWN BUT HE NOT ONLY CAME BACK HE WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP ROUNDS AND TO ME DOES ROUNDS ARE MORE INPORTANT PLUS CORTEZ TOKE A POINT BECAUSE MAIDANA GAVE HIM SOME RING LOVE
Yes it should have been a draw(I saw it even), but when people like you, Gilfraud or any other Khan hater comes in to write it, doesn’t deserve any respect, and rightfully so.
@ Michael129. Yet again, another deluded and bitter hater!
This is how boxing works: You manage to hit your opponent more times (over a hundred) than they’ve hit you, and (strange as it may seem) you win the fight!
Khan won the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 8th, 9th and the 11th (blatantly out scoring maidana in the 11th!). The 12th round could never be given as 10-8 (in any semblance of a balanced opinion!), there just wasn’t enough one way traffic to backup such a fallacy!
The fact that you believe the point deduction to be “unnecessary”, shows yours unreasonable level of bias. If you deem elbows and excessive use of the rabbit punching to be acceptable, then why don’t you go out and watch your average street fight, as this is boxing and the rules are there for the safety of the fighters!
Had Khan actually “taken uppercuts” for the whole round 12, do you think you’d be complaining about the decision or celebrating/championing Maidana’s latest brutal K.O win? Don’t bother answering my question, it was a rhetorical one! LOL!
Dave, I would like you to post how you scored the fight.
look at this writer, mr dave lahr,i thing he is from argentine the way he writes against british world champion,people like him should ashamed themselves and feels like against brown skin,mr dave u should sell pop corns outside boxing arena you dont deserve to write about any boxing match..or if you are very good then go and show the world how to fight?
two draws on the same card.Could have been but I beleive all in all they both did good work.They both were in a serious state at one time for one and twice for khan as he looked ready to go with one more pin point overhand right,He would have smashed the canvas.
Khan won 8 rounds and maidana four.
you should look at the compubox it says khans total punches landed 273 / 603 which 45% and maidana total punches landed 156 / 767 which is 20% so i would say khan won.
Hello Mr Writer, You are a joke. The reason the judges are judges is they have done enough, they know a lot and they are previliged to do so. They definitely know more than you and they got it right. I think you will be great at writing weather forecast.
DAVE LAHR YOU RETARD!
There he goes again, with his “should’a, would’a, could’a”. Lahr must have placed a hefty bet on Maidana. A “draw” – not when one fighter goes down in Round One writhing in pain, and though he rallied in Round 10 – he couldn’t put down the adversary. Is that clear enough?! Next time, tell Marcos not to kiss the canvass!
THE ONLY PERSON I SAW IN ANY PAIN WAS MAIDANA ROLING ON THE FLOOR LIKE A GOLDFISH GASPING FOR AIR…..DID YOU SEE THE MIDGET ARGIE?HE LOOKED LIKE HE WAS GONNA BE SICK……THE BELL SAVED THAT MIDGETS ONE DIMENSIONAL ASS BIG TIME!
Oh my God….seriously?? Khan won the first 8 rounds…then for some reason lost the plot and allowed Maidana back in. Give Maidana credit, he had Khan rocking, but couldn’t get him down…so frustrated was he that he resorted to rabbit punching.
I swear, no point reading articles by some people…once their opinion has been made – thats it, no way its changing. Khan could fit Mayweather, Mosley, Maidana (again), hey…even through in a Klitchko all in one night and he’d still not get any credit.
Khan took the best Maidana could throw for 3 solid rounds and came through…I’m sure we’ll still have the same old comments about Khan’s chin for years to come though.
obviously you would say that, you wanted him to get KOed
” There needs to be a rematch between Khan and Maidana because Khan didn’t prove anything and surely didn’t beat Maidana. ”
Yet 3 judges score cards and a result tells a different story. just admit, you were wrong and you have always and will be wrong.
Dave Lahr you moron. You obviously know nothing about being in the ring. Moving around the ring espicially in the pro game is nothing. Without throwing punches you could dance around the ring for hours. Punching is what wears you out not moving. moron.
agree with the writer. it should have been a draw. Khan did nothing what impressed me. He will struggle against tim bradley. t, bradley is a very good boxer believe it or not.
Hahah he gave 6 rounds to maidana and six to khan. But round 1 and 5 were 10-8 rounds for khan so even by his scoring khan won by two rounds! Haha
.. what were u actually scoring when looking at the round i gave maidana two or three .. khans combinations were outstanding.. maidana looked awfull all over the place .. what maidana won the fight because he rocked khan in the tenth?? which khan then got up of the stool and beat him the last two rounds? or if not 11 defo 12th people are deluded … MAIDANA OVERHYPED .. REMEMBER HE LOST TO A FIGHTER LIKE KOTELNIK who lets be honest is poor
thanks dave of your prediction…
I WON AGAIN…
its amazing at least a broke clock is right twice a day and you dont even manage that
khan clearly won the fight.dave lahr is just nother anti-khan writer on this site.lack of power dave?didnt u see the knockdown in round 1.maidana was lucky that it came so late in the round coz he got saved by the bell.if it came earlier in the round khan would hav stopped him.boxing news u need to sort this site out coz thers too many biased articles.
a draw????? u guys having a laugh lol. khan did alot more in the fitst 8 rounds than maidana did, plus the knockdown and the point taken off maidana. Maidana had 3 good rounds at the end, so how does that make it a draw???
khan won that all the way, king khan from the UK doing us proud. Bring on bradly next then whoever else.
Oh yes so you are saying that 3 judges were wrong and that the punchstat computer was fiddled. Or is it everything in the USA is corrupt?
@ boxer – Well said, I’d sign the petition under 12 million fictitous names to rid the world of his utter cr*p!
“That makes me question Khan’s power at the light welterweight level.” – Dave Lahr…did you miss the excruciating body shot in round 1 that put Mandana to the canvas????
Khan DOMINATED & won this fight by 4 or 5 clear rounds you tool!!!
Dave I wish i could start a petition 1 get u banned every article u write is absolute rubbish. i dont even know why the editor allows your content find a new hobby or go talk about pokemon becuase boxing isnt for you.
You my friend are a moron. 6 rounds to 6 makes 114-114 and you neglect the fact of the knockdown and the point deduction. So before you run your mouth against Khan and British boxing write an article thats makes sense
the more you people take Daves Bait the more money he makes!
lol i bet Lahr had his klan outfit on when writing this.
@ TORRES
I think anyone who is connected to Roach will be Lahar’s target. Pacman, Khan, etc..The bottom line is..Lahar hates Roach.haha
dave i win again thanks to your prediction!
Khan-Maidana should have been a draw… erm no it shouldn’t. Its an improvement on Gilfoid & McKay’s woeful conclusion but its still rubbish. Anyone with a brain could see it was a clear Khan vicyory. I said yesterday that having watched it again the best case scenario I could see for Maidana was a 114-112 defeat… And that was being uber pickey!
I just wonder how long we’ll be having to read this rubbish from the three amigos! If Khan unified every single division up to Heavyweight the three amigos would still not be convinced he is a good boxer.
Do you feel embarassed that you are terrible at one of your hobbies Dave Lahr? Blinkered, useless, idiot.
This guy has just made himself look a real idiot, im not sure if anyone else has commented on this as i havnt read the feedback but, if you score the fight 6 rounds to 6 and khan scored a knockdown and maidana had a point deducted how can you score the fight a draw?
Another writer that knows nothing about proper boxing, a fighter simply following a guy around the ring trying to land 1 bomb maidana was always going to get found out.
Fact is Khan made him look ver ordinary at times and if he did not get carried away at times and continue to box to the game plan he would have probably finished maidana in the middle rounds.
i think most of the sane population and boxing fans give it to khan,what fight were you watching,just goes to show theres always them hardcore khan haters ,youl never change your mind about him,he took clean shots of the biggest puncher in the devision and you STILL cant give him his due,pathetic,well done khan
kHAN DESERVED HIS WIN, FULL STOP
it was a close fight but still khan deserves a narrow win
it was a close fight though khan deserves a narrow win
I must of watched this fight over eight times now, and I gave khan round 1,2,3,4,5,8,9, and 11 was 50/50 and don’t forget the knock down and the point taken away from maidana in the 5th, so can won this fight easy. But what a fight this must be fight of the year, khan landed 273/603 to maidana 165/765 and if you really look at this khan won easy.
@Michael129,
You’re right, round 10 could have been a 10-8 for Maidana but that depends on how the judges saw it. But, I’ll give you that it should have been a 10-8 round since Khan wasn’t really able to answer any of Maidana’s punches except to try to hold on. But, a 10-8 round in round 12 for Maidana? I’m not sure about that, Khan was not helpless during that round, he was able to fight back. So I think Khan still wins by 113-112.
Khan will easy beat Bradley and Alexander, they don’t have the power to keep khan off them, khan won this fight but hats off to maidana he has some power, and I can’t believe khan took all them power shots and was still standing? And ppl say he has no chin? I think khan has the great chin after he took all them power shots, I bet Bradley and Alexander would of gone down with them shots, I would like to see the winner of Bradley vs Alexander fight khan next but love to see Bradley or Alexander take on maidana.
dat was no draw kahn won 9of12 rounds maidana at best won 3 maybe 4
Ha ha ha…… Even based on what you have put Khan is still a two point winner. On account of dropping Maidana in round one and the fact that Maidana had a point deducted in round 5.
Or are we doing the kind of fight analysis where you are dismissing the fact that Maidana shouldn’t have been judged a 10 – 8 loser of these rounds?
You just cannot make statements that you think it was a draw because the fighter you so clearly dislike wins fair and square.
Get over it you douche bag.
Khan didn’t win easy. He was lucky to get out the 10th. Was a hard fight for both I’d like to see a rematch as well but don’t think roach or khan want to do that again. I was going for khan but thought he was gonna lose in 10th
Even if there was no knockdown, the judges scored the 10th round 10-8 for Maidana and rightfully so…He battered Khan in that round. The point of concern was the deduction on Maidana for throwing an elbow that hit Joe Cortez..But I personally feel that Khan should have also been deducted a point for excessive holding because he was warned so many times…Nevertheless, the points he won in the earlier rounds was just enough for Khan to win at least a point…But as I said, Maidana won the battle but lost the war!
Your all crazy.
Khan won easy and will whoop the over-rated Bradley and Alexander. What are you lot on?
The fight was nowhere near a draw, I found only 4 rounds to give Maidana. Plus if you add the knockdown in the first and the point deduction for the stupid elbow thrown (hitting Cortez no less, LOL), then the final scores should’ve been 112-119!
What?…couldn’t you think of anything else to write this week?
I suppose writing something that’s obviously untrue (and I doubt you believe), is the only way you can get hits!
Bradley would whup him. Marquez would soften him up with body shots and KO him late or on decision.
If fight had ended in 9th round, yes I’d give Khan chance against Bradley or Alexander. Not no more.
I would go for a rematch. It’s less risky than Marquez,Alexander, or Bradley.
The real question now is: Who is Arum/Roach gonna pick for Khan’s next opponent?
If they dodge Marquez, or winner of Bradley/alexander, how about Canelo at 147lbs at wembley stadium?
@ bud
is khan ready for bradley or alexandra? really?
these guys hit adequately hard and have more skillful tactics than maidana
A little late for this article…Dave Lahr doesn’t have HBO.
Maidana is brave but he couldn’t finish Khan off. If he was more patient and picked his shots he could have, but he didn’t. Khan won fair and square. any further questions??
If you scored it 6 rounds each like you say, its NOT A DRAW dummy, because the first round was 10-8 with a knockdown and there was a point deduction.
So even you agree with the Judges Dave Lahr
Iam a king Kahn fan but to be honest maidana deserves a rematch. To me Kahn maybe won by a point or maybe even draw. But I know if they do rematch Kahn will win. Freddie roach is to smart he will find a way! Like PAC man vs morales 1-2-3.I also don’t think Kahn is ready for Alexander or Bradley . They are both way better then maidana.
KHAN WON THE FIGHT WHATS THE BIG DEAL , maidan LOST
Mr. Hater, it’s time to upgrade your brain, better to see a shrink to be more OK!!!
Full of hate & envy your heart had.
Christmas is near Man!!!
khan won the first 8 or 9 rounds clearly the rest was maidana
I have seen the fight two times now, Khan is the winner without no doubt, anything else is lack of boxing knowledge or bias, end of story.
* Jasz– round 10 was a 10-8 round for Maidana, even though Khan didn’t go down, it still should have been scored a 10-8. Round 12 could have also been a 10-8 for Maidana that would automatically make it a draw. Take into a count he punishment that Khan took.. There is an argument for Maidana there.
Writers on this site know controversial articles generate traffic.
You guys are playing into their hands.
I’m sure every writer on this website knows Khan not only won the fight but proved all the critics wrong about his whiskers.
Reverse the role and if Maidana fought exactly like khan and won, these people would be raving about Maidana – see where I am coming from?
Again, the writer showed utter lack in brain power, much less logic. I think Dave even failed basic arithmetic. If Maidana was not knocked down on the 1st round and he was not given a point deduction in the 8th rd then it would have been possible to have it as a draw. Using the alleged rounds won by both fighters at 6 rounds each (under the 10-pt. must system) their scores will be at 114-114. BUT, since round 1 was a 10-8 round in favor of Khan, while in round 8 (wherein you score it as a Khan round) a point was deducted from Maidana making it a 10-8 round again. Using simple arithmetic the final score will be 114-112 in favor of Khan. Those two crucial rounds definitely favored Khan.
Dave Lahr, NEXT TIME BEFORE WRITING SOMETHING DO THE MATH FIRST!
You are like a small child that gets caught telling a lie. They will tell another rather than just say they were wrong. Telling us Khan did not deserve to win is that second lie. Come on show some back bone and admit you were wrong.
Floyd Sr. Poem :
Keep taking your medication and don’t be late for school today.
Even if it should have been a draw Maidana would not have got the title so its a pointless comment.
Maybe the ref should have stopped the fight after Maidana reeled after the left rip incase he got seriously hurt, this kind of chatter can go on and on.
Its all over now – Khan won a hard fought bout. Period.
Let’s move on…….
for the firt time your right dave…khan didnt prove anything.. a very long way to go to reach manny pacquiao achievement..
If that was Maidana in the 10th round with Khan hitting Maidana 100% cortez would have stopped the fight.
If they said Khan had a weak chin then Maidana has a weak stomach. that combo punch took the starch out of him. Khan fights like Pac and Mayweather put together. Khan will box and run, not a bad combo! So i look forward to see gengis khan vs. alexander the great! booh on bradley hope he looses!
Freddie Roach you a joke! You a sucka! Me and Roger just say ‘keep boxing that muthafvcka!’ While I’m dissin you I’ll take a hit off my crack pipe and yell “Hoody Hoooo!”
Bradley or Alexander next and i hope it is Alexader! Bradley is overhyped and is a b list fighter. Bradley is good in small casinos where he can beat the likes of nate cambell. King Khan vs. Alexander the great! bring that fight on!
The thing with khan is he wants to be pac man and he is a far far cry from that pac man fights and does not run all night long as khan did and will do again and again.I allways thought that a fight was scored on the man who holds the centre of the ring takes the fight to the other guy and smashes him up but hey what do i know.Anyway i watched that fight 3 times and can see only 1 winner and that is MAIDANA won that fight.
Lhar knows nothing about boxing as his predictions is always wrong and never close. Khan won the fight and with a unanimous decision by the judges. That seals the deal that Khan won the fight. Khan proved he had the chin, the heart, and the skills.
Kahn won dunt matter many times u watch it kahn won nowt changes that ur opinion means nowt just like ur predictions kahn won end of eat ur humble pie and move on dunt mattdr wot anyone writes anymore kahn won oh just 4 the record KAHN WON
no matter how many times you watch it, the outcome will never change: khan gets the nod. but i was surprised it wasn’t a split decision. i would have thought at least one judge would have favored maidana’s aggression at bit more. khan was passive when he needed a breather. khan needs to learn to rest without going to the ropes.
i wouldn’t mind a rematch, but i doubt we’ll see one. khan wants new meat.
both of them deserve bigger paydays now. my hat’s off to them. a good fight.
Maidana’s a dirty fighter, even before he threw the elbow at the begining of the fight Khan tried to touch gloves, Maidana throws a wild right hand. Maidana is certainly lacking sportsmanship..
Dave Lahr is blinded by his bias. However, even if you give the rounds in accordance with Lahr’s scoring, Khan would have won still because of the knockdown in the first and the point deduction.
i dont always agree with the judges but when you have the ability to sit down and watch a tape in slow motion or what ever then say it should be a draw then that means the round goes either way and if it favors one guy the busiest then there you have it
Well MAIDANA would have been a draw if MAIDANA didn’t lose one point and didn’t go down on a kidney shot. Then I would give that fight a draw. What more to say KHAN IS STILL CHAMP.
Maidana won that fight
In the end..two of the judges score is 114-111, which was the same as my score. Perhaps our scores weren’t the same for EVERY round..but that scoreline felt right. Khan deserved the victory..he dropped Maidana, his punches were more on TARGET in the majority of the rounds..also, he didn’t elbow the referee!!
No way this fight was a draw.
maidana’s rounds were 6, 10, 11, and 12 only, he lost the fight (115-111). Khan is just a good boxer, boxing is not by power punching alone, brain matters a lot, I see Khan fights like Pacquiao but he still lacks aggresiveness, he would have won it by knock out.
Nothing is new from dave “Psycho” Lhar
You gave both fighters 6 rounds each, with round 1 as a 10-8 round, Khan still wins!
David bro…Ur so biased…Why cant u be real…Look at all that intentional punishment Amir took..He showed his jaw is not glass…he did that on purpose….and for every punch madaina landed he landed four or five quick ones…He would have one the fight on pints alone..Madana couldnt punch khan as many times as khan punched him
Sorry..this article is totally WRONG. How on earth did you score it a draw?
I scored it 114-111 in favour of Khan.
He dropped Maidana in the first round with a sweet BODY SHOT..that’s a 10-8 round. He then won the second round with extremely fast combinations..too quick and skilful for Maidana, who is still recovering from that knockdown. Maidana suddenly comes to life in the third round and lands some impressive uppercuts and punches which evade the Khan defence. He wins that round 10-9, his first. In round 4, Khan begins to dominate again with really good jabs and combinations. Maidana lands a few uppercuts towards the end..but he deservedly loses round to Khan, whose work was far more impressive. More of the same in round 5..but also Maidana is penalized for throwing an elbow at Khan, which actually catches the referee. Silly dirty tactics from Maidana, which costs him another 10-8 round. To his credit, Maidana comes right back into the fight with impressive back-to-back rounds where he catches Khan with several strong uppercuts and hooks. Khan has to run because he is getting caught too much in these rounds. Maidana wins both the 6th and 7th in gutsy fashion.
and yet, the way you score the fight (or any fight for that matter) will never matter. Have fun convincing yourself that Amir Khan sucks. He, like Pacquiao will just continue to prove you wrong.
i dont know why these people are allowed to write. dont leave comments on their articles
Every one knows Dave is a hater, I’m not a Khan fan but Khan won this fight, not enough punching power, did maidana almost get ko’d round one? Khan was better fighter even though he was running but Khan still won that’s all that matters
After reading your write-ups several times and scrutinizing each article carefully, I had no other choice but to conclude that you are STUPID AND HAS NO CREDIBILITY WHATSOEVER IN WRITING ANYTHING ABOUT BOXING.
I was going for marcos as well but ur just a hater man. I had khan by one point, kd in rd one gives him a real nod, plus the deduction. Marcos will be back people are going to like this dude