Why Pacquiao does not fight African Americans
November 19th, 2010
By Mark Hepplestall: This article is a follow up article, to one posted by another writer on this site which I felt was one sided in highlighting only certain facts about Manny Pacquiao’s past career. The correct facts in this article conclude that in fact Manny Pacquiao has fought more African Americans then he has Europeans.
Firstly I would like to point out that there is very few evidence that supports the argument that Manny Pacquiao has evaded African American boxers in any weight.
Next at super flyweight the rankings show only 1 American in the top 20 which is Raul Martinez who is Hispanic, 9 South Americans and 7 fighters from the Far East plus 2 South Africans and a European boxer, once again a weight limit with no African Americans in the world’s top 20.
At super bantamweight the rankings show once again that the majority of boxers in the Top 20 are from the Far East with 9, there is 1 Canadian, 2 British boxers, 3 South Americans and 2 South Africans and 2 Hispanic Americans. Once again a weight limit with no African Americans in the top 20.
Next at Featherweight the records include 4 boxers from the Far East, 11 South Americans, 4 Hispanic Americans and 1 Australian. This is a division known for Mexican boxers dominating; names include Marquez, Morales and Barrera. However once again there were no African American boxers in the top 20. Looking for the first African American boxer in the rankings at Featherweight it took as long as 34th in the world.
The super featherweight has never been a division dominated by a specific race, country or continent and includes a good mix. The records include 2 South Africans, 5 South Americans, 5 from the Far East, 5 European’s and 3 Hispanic Americans. There are no African Americans in the top 20 but the first African American to be found in the world rankings for Super featherweight is Mickey Bey Jr at 62nd in the world.
More recently the Lightweight division has been ruled by South Americans and this shows through the rankings as there are 7 South Americans in the top 20 of the world, and then 5 Hispanic Americans (not included with the south Americans), there are also 2 Australians, 2 British boxers, and 2 boxers from the Far East, and lastly 2 boxers from African Nations (South Africa and Namibia). The first African American boxer in the rankings is at number 38 and is Anthony Peterson.
It is at the Light – Welterweight division were there are actually African Americans in the top 20 of the world, it is worth mentioning that Manny Pacquiao only fought once at this weight against the strongest champion at that time in Ricky Hatton, in the top 20 there are 5 South Americans and 6 African Americans with 3 other Americans, 2 Africans nations, 3 British boxers and lastly 1 European boxer. It is worth mentioning that not only are African Americans dominating here but it’s the majority American boxers dominating in this division with 2 of the 4 world recognised belts held by African Americans.
At Welterweight there is no dominating nation, continent or race, the world rankings show that there are in fact 4 African Americans in the top 20 and 1 Hispanic American. There are also 8 European boxers in the top 20, 3 South American boxers, one boxer from the Far East and 3 boxers from African nations. In this weight limit Pacquiao has fought three times against Oscar De La Hoya, Miguel Cotto and Joshua Clottey. African American boxers in this weight limit include Floyd Mayweather Jr who have contract indifferences with Manny Pacquiao, there is Andre Berto who is just not a big draw even though he is rated number 2 in the world, also Mike Jones who is set up to fight Kell Brook. Also there is Randall Bailey who really isn’t worth mentioning with a big 7 loses on his record.
Lastly at Light middleweight which is Pacquiao’s 8th and last weight limit there are 7 South Americans in the world rankings, with 1 boxer from the Middle East, one boxer from the Far East. There are also 4 European boxers in the top 20. Lastly at this weight limit there are 7 Americans the majority Hispanic with only 2 African American. At this limit the biggest draw would be Shane Mosley but he has been on the slide for the last few years only beating Antonio Margarito, losing badly to Mayweather Jr and had the judges save his blushes against Sergio Mora.
Lastly this is not an article that is aimed at putting down any particular race; it is just a reply to an article that suggested that Pacquiao avoided African American boxers because they are superior to all. The reasons why Pacquiao has not fought that many African Americans are purely down to coincidence. The fact that there are not many if any African Americans in the lower weight limits comes into play and the fact Bradley and Alexander were not world champions or even on the world title scene when Pacquiao fought Hatton is an important factor. The only Competitive fight out there is Mayweather Jr Vs Pacquiao.
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emmm… because african-american boxers are good at two things – ducking & getting ktfo
@ Dollar Bill
What’s your take on Mosley vs. Cotto? Cotto is slower and weaker than Pacquiao. We all saw that. Oh, let me guess. Cotto was weight drained, right? Well, he came in at 146 against Clottey and 145 against Pacquiao. Yeah, that’s really weight-draining one’s self for a fight.
What’s your take on Mosley vs. Mayorga? 12 rounds to knock him out? Really?
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What’s your take on Mosley vs. Margarito? If they hugged each other that much, they might as well have proposed to each other. Oh wait, let me guess. Mosley knocked him out but Pacquiao didn’t. That’s right but let’s look at some facts. First it was a welterweight fight at 147. Margarito weighed in at 146 and Mosley at 147. At fight night, they both came in at 160. Margarito had a 17lb advantage over Pacquiao (5lbs over what he came in with his fight against Mosley). Second, Mosley’s punches didn’t wear out Margarito like Pacquiao’s punches. Now I bet you’re thinking I’m crazy because Mosley knocked him out. Yes, he did, but it was all the clinching that wore out Margarito. Why do you think fighters clinch even though they are landing the shots? The answer is logical. Clinching allows you to catch your breath but also wears out the other fighter. Mosley needed to catch his breath. If you don’t believe me, remember how tired he got after landing shots on Mayweather. Do you think that Pacquiao will allow him to clinch or rest? I don’t think so.
What’s your take on Mosley vs. Mayweather? Do you think that Pacquiao will really wear out after 2 rounds?
What’s your take on Mosley vs. Mora? Sergio Mora? Really? Did he knock Mora out? He couldn’t even convince the judges to give him the fight. How’s he going to convince the judges to give him the fight against Pacquiao? He couldn’t knock out Cotto and you expect him to knock out Manny?
Let me guess. I bet you expected Williams to knock out Sergio Martinez. Nice! Please don’t tell me that you’re African American. If you are, you have just proven how ignorant SOME African Americans, like Bernard Hopkins, really are.
Like Paul Williams? Wasn’t he the most avoided boxer? Isn’t he African American? According to many people in this website, Paul Williams is one of the slickest boxers out there. What happened to him tonight? That’s right. He was defeated by a southpaw that has a very similar style to Pacquiao. Like people say, “Styles make fights.” No matter how slick Paul Williams was, he was knocked out. If Sergio Martinez can knock out the most avoided African American fighter, isn’t it possible for Pacquiao to do the same thing? So now, do people really think that being African American makes a difference? Last I remembered, “Styles make fights.” I don’t remember it being “Race makes fights.” By the way, Clottey, an African, beat up on Judah, an African American known to be a very slick boxer. It’s true that Clottey isn’t flashy like Judah, but when it comes down to it, he was and is still the better boxer. We all know what Pacquiao did to Clottey.
Thanks to Bernard Hopkins, African Americans have alot to live up to. Now they have to prove how their styles cause problems for other boxers. They’re going to get a lot of heat thanks to Bernard. Now that Paul Williams was destroyed, it will be difficult for him to bounce back, especially for being a slick African American boxer who was once avoided by most boxers. How will other African American boxers respond if they lose to non-African American boxers?
Sergio Martinez: “I believe Pacquiao would beat Mayweather”
Personally I think he (Pacquiao) is in his best moment. I don’t see an end to Manny Pacquiao yet. As a matter of fact I believe he could beat Floyd Mayweather because he is a better boxer and is as fast or faster then Floyd. It’s going to be very difficult to see another fighter with the combination of quickness, precision and power that Manny Pacquiao fights with. I believe he is at his peak right now. I don’t know for how much longer he will fight at this level, but I see very few people that can beat him or give him a competitive fight.
@Dollar Bill, I agree Mosely is going to hurt Pacquiao….
@Teddy “I Recieved an E-mail” Atlas…..
Good point. I’m thinking the same way. Teddy & Vivek are both Pac-Haters. Every time I read their post they make me laugh so bad. They’re just a bunch of IDI0TS.
Why an African American Mayweather is too scared to fight Pacquiao? lol
@ johndoe … u must be dave lahr or chris williams … u keep posting the same comment time after time after time
ur argument is based on hearsay and you have no references to back up ur comments unlike the writer
i understand that over 5 years the world rankings may have changed in the smaller divisions but to suggest that htey were filled with black boxers is just wrong … go look at the rankings and find these black boxers in the lower weights because there are none the writer is right
lastly u keep shouting Mosely was number 1 … it shows he must have been the best if he had to beg for a fight !! ur words not mine
ur beef is with ODLH for being a huge name and Mosely for not being able to draw flies to $hit
Teddy still makes every opportunity to discredit. He has never predicted a Pacquiao win – ODLH, Hatton, Cotto, and now Margarito. He has predicted Pacquiao to lose in each of those fights. If you are 0-4 on your predictions, can you still really be considered an expert analyst? This is probably why he hasn’t really trained someone as successful as Pacquiao. Perhaps, he lacks the true vision of a good trainer and ability to see strengths and weaknesses on both sides to come up with a real game plan. He predicted that Margarito will be too big for Pacquiao to hurt etc…and that Margarito, unlike Clottey, throws a sh1t load of punches. He also pointed out that Pacquiao does not have the ability to take punches from the bigger guys by pointing out that during the Clottey fight, Clottey threw 10 punches per round and yet, bruised up Pacquiao all over. Now that the outcome of the Pac-Marg is over, he blames it on this stupid weight drain argument. Margarito’s gain of 17 pounds after the weigh-in was actually a good sign. He was well hydrated. In the Pac-Morales 3, Pac weighed 130 at the weigh-in and weighed, 148 on fight night. That 18-pound gain proved he was in best fighting condition. Knocked out Morales in 3 rounds.
I’ve been following Teddy’s approach to Pacquiao for quite some time now. What I can really sense is jealousy to Freddie Roache’s rise as one of the greatest trainers of all time. Freddie has done to Manny what other trainers haven’t and that makes guys like Teddy put discredit every time. Emmanuel Steward was sort of the same before, but has really come around lately giving Manny the credit he deserves. Steward is being real! Teddy “E-mail” Atlas has lost every credibility. I really don’t know why ESPN, such an iconic sports organization still has this dude as their official boxing expert analyst. ESPN, look at your own backyard! You need unbiased analysts for your show to have CREDIBILITY. Time to fire this dude and hand that job over to a real expert analyst. Manny is hanging his gloves soon and Freddie Roach is waiting for your call. Now that would be a real analyst!!!
nice job Mark Hepplestall atleast you have valid proofs for your response unlike other writers whose articles shows hatred and jealousy. You deserved to be an elite boxing writer.
ha ha I replied on the wrong article!!!! sorry to the writer……that was a TCO Technical Clown Out
Wasn’t it Hopkins who once said that no white fighter could beat him…what color was Joe Calzaghe? So now we all know that Hopkins doesn’t know what he talking about. Clotty has beaten a few black americans fighters and Manny annilated Clotty ,so what does that say.
You people must tell mayweather to grow some balls…. then perhaps we’ll see Pacquiao fight an african-american.
Can someone tell me how who fights at weights Pac does not fight it is good relevant facts? There are many on here applauding this piece because of these “facts” so someone please tell me how who fights at 118 or 122 now, and not when Pac fought there, backs up anything? Who is the best at the three weights Pac can fight at? Bradley-Alexander winner, Berto, and Williams! So if Pac is so great and invincible why not fight any of these??? Manny is afraid to take on the best at any division!!!!!
Great article Mark with supporting facts. Thanks.
WHY NOT PUT THEM ALL TOGETHER IN ONE RING AT THE SAME TIME? AND LET’S SEE WHO’S THE REAL CHAMP? INCLUDING PIG HOPKINS
Maybe the black fighters are ducking Pac-man. I don’t see any of them running to the ring to fight him. And we know of one black fighter who has been avoiding him for the past year.
Now this is one heck of a boxing analyst unlike the
the Dave Lahrge hole in his head.
Let me ask! Would you accept or not that one day Iraqee or some one from the poorest country hold the world champ? Why yes or why not?
I respect Bernard as one of the best boxer. let me ask all the boxing fans! Did Ali, Tyson, Hollyfield, et all. came as a great boxer because they born with Black skin? absolutely no right! They become the great because of their great skill in boxing and warrior heart. Boxing is a sport for any races. Who or what ever colour they are if they hold the champ so he or she is. Any sports don’t limit with some colour. Sport is free for all. It is not mean only this colour person can be great but other not. the fact is very easy to answer but it wil never be correct if the answerer never wil. It depend on the althlet ability not bz you are born with such specific colour then you can raise to the top but not other colour.
Let Pacquiao fight Bradley, Berto or Mosley…it dont matter…the’re too slow compare to Pacquiao and they wont be able to survive the constant barrage of lighting fast powerful combos thats always headed towards them that the’ll end up too banged up as the round continues….SPEED KILLS !
So no answers on how todays ratings are relevant??? Rahim, Gainer, Johnson, Mosley begging for a fight, Berto, Alexander, Bradley… A washed up Morales beat Pac, most think JMM beat Pac twice, ODLH and Cotto was weight drained, and Hatton, Clottey, and Margarito were all jokes. Now Pac is after Mosley after he has become a shell of his former self or JMM at 147! Yep, not like Berto, Bradley-Alexander winner are out there.
Bravo, using todays rankings to justify Pacquiao not fighting Black AMericans at 118, 122, 126, 130, and 135!!! Yep, not like Mosley was rated number one in the division Manny was fighting in and WENT TO PACS GYM to beg for a fight only to get told he was “too good”. Not like Bradley and Alexander are at 140 and Berto at 147 and Williams at 154. Nope, obviously if Pac wants to fight anyone good Black Americans are out of the question. Not like Rahim beat Morales after PAc already did, and then Pac refused to consider fighting the black AMerican Rahim and wet after the more than obvious shot Morales again. Nope, PAc would never do anything like that! Oh wait, today there are no good Black Americans in the weight classes Pac could not make if his life depended on it, so that explains why he didn’t fight any when there were top rated ones in his weight class. Way to use totally irrelevany facts!
No way in Hell can Mayweather beat Pacquaio !
Morales = Battered !
Marquez = Destroyed more than once!
De LaHoya = Terrible Beating
Hatton = Slammed Dunk !
Cotto = Utterly Demolished !
Clottey = Neutralized
Margarito = Beaten to a Pulp
Next Up………
Mayweather = Comatose, permanent retirement
want to block the apple store?lol
Now a days, hype of boxing is like the show business and many who claim sports analyst wrote some nasty articles (I will not mention names). Probably the sport itself is invaded by girly looking guys….. lol!
Peace!!!
if pacquiao was able to sustain the blows by margarito who is one of the most feared fighters, floyd who is not known for power punches will be destroyed by pacquiao.
@CCC
You need to get mayweather to grow some balls to fight pacquiao. after seeing how pacquiao destroyed margarito and cotto whom mayweather avoided, i doubt he would want to get into the ring with pacquiao.
all negro starting form hopkins and mayweather can’t accept the fact that a brown will rise and defy all the odds and make it to the all-time great’s, i am a mexican but i salute pacman for giving us the honorable defeat. to all negro take a look around all the sport all of you are not dominating right now especially in NBA or UFC not even in boxing, give chance to all color.
Props, I am not defending anybody. All I want to see is a fight between Manny and Floyd. I am tired of Floyd mouthing off at every fighter that he is sure he can beat but finding a way to avoid the tough guys who he is sure will give him a very tough fight.
Can you imagine Pacman challenging Hearns, Leonard, Duran or Chavez and they asking him, a little shrimp to take a test or else they will run home to daddy? I mean, with a chance to make a record $40,000,000 or more and they would not jump to face him even in his own back yard?
Props, give me a break. Instead of making excuses for Floyd and using a crazy demand for a test where he has no right to demand it, you should be demanding he take the fight. It is people like you who are encouraging Floyd to duck this fight. I repeat he has no right to believe he is bigger than boxing. Ali, Robinson, Louis, Leonard, Tyson and all of the other big PPV guys were not bigger than boxing.
You are no different than your cowardly hero Floyd. None of you have any confidence that he could easily beat Manny like he keeps saying or else we would have seen him sign faster than he did when Marquez and Hatton called him out. His dad keeps going aound with crazy statements and instilling fear in Floyd that Manny is a monster.
I am convinced that it is a pick’em fight but Floyd has to get the guts to sign and quit the petty, childish, gutless talk. He is an embarassment to the past great black guys. He talks big but that’s it!
Why not show the current heavyweight rankings too? PAc has as much chance as fighting at heavyweight as he does at any of the weights listed above! SHOW THE RANKINGS FROM WHEN PAC BOXED AT THE WEIGHT. The weights PAc has been boxing at the past few years are all littered with African-Americans at the top of the rankings. The weight he is currently fighting at has numerous top contenders that are black americans. There were some at the lower weights when PAc actually fought there too! What about Zahir Rahim? You know the guy that beat Morales, then PAc decided he wanted a rubber match with a faded Morales instead of the African AMerican who had just beat him? OR before that Too Sharp was king of the lower weights. But hey, lets ignore the rankings of the weights when PAc fights in them and use the current rankings for weights Pac has no chance of fighting in!
Why Pacquiao does not fight African Americans? The answer: It’s not Pacquiao who does not want to fight African Americans but it’s the African Americans who are ducking Pacquiao. Why are they ducking Pacquiao? Because they are afraid of Manny Pacquiao lead by the great coward Floyd Mayweather Jr. Now, tell me, who doesn’t want to fight who? Tell me!
Wow, so using the current rankings, instead of the rankings when Pac actually fought at those weights prove what? That Pac isn’t fighting any African-AMericans at 118 pounds now? What about when PAc was fighting at the weight? Oh, wait those facts would actually be relevant!
African americans are overrated. They’re cry-babies and all talk.
MArk too sharp johnson, Gainer, then at 135, 140 145, 147, and 150 almost all the top fighters were African Americans. Yet the fact remains Manny has NEVER fought an African-American. One can make all the excuses they want to, but NEVER has he fought any African-American. NEVER. So, let the excuses fly, just don’t let Pac get put in with any slick boxer, cause then those excuses won’t matter.
HAHAHA This is what it’s come down to????? the trash on this site has stunk up the joint so bad now OTHER WRITERS have to jump in just to keep the stink down??????? This is F-ING great, I can’t get enough! Who regulates this trash anyway, on any real website half this nonsense wouldn’t even be allowed to get posted, it really isn’t a fellow author’s responsibility to clean up this garbage… Great job MARK, keep it up. Hopefully if enough of u beat back the tide of retardation that seems to be flooding this site it might regain a little respect in the boxing community.
no one in America cares about african americans so why should Paq??? Oh, I remember, we really enjoyed having them as slaves.
Well done,Mark!
Well done! now that make sense! Your article is worth reading, unlike others!
I pose a question: Why doesn’t Manny Pacquiao fight a white American? The answer is the same as not fighting an African American.
Herm says:
November 19, 2010 at 6:06 pm
Pacman is trying to get a fight with the best african there is… Mayweather!!!!! Hello people!!!
YEP YEP YEP LIKE I SAID ALL TALK AND NO ACTION HE’S SHEILDING HIMSELF WITH EXCUSES PAC NEEDS TO BEAT THE FOK OUT OF MARQUEZ AND SHANE THIS YEAR AND FIGHT MAYWEATHER IF HE’S NOT IN JAIL OR HIS UNCLE ISN’T EITHER
Hopkins said about the white fighter Joe Calzaghe after boldly declaring, “I’ll never lose a fight to a white boy.” Look what happen to the fight. He mak him look more stupid about that comment and especially this writer.
Pacman is trying to get a fight with the best african there is… Mayweather!!!!! Hello people!!!
The author just showed Chris Williams and Dave Lahr how to write objectively without bias and is supported by facts and figures. Sure, everyone has the right to express one’s self but this right must be use with responsibility…that is, exposing the thruth and not just writing to put one person down. The best that Chris and Dave have to do is to countercheck this author’s figures. If its correct, they should change their style of writing which just encourage animosity between fans.
African?
and mp was done and moving up not backwards.
Now that Mosley is older and slower, Pacman is willing to fight him.
nate would get hurt by pac to it dont mater right now no one can beat mp.
manny went after the belts in the lower weighta and no blacks had belts no belts no fight .
When he was at 126 & 130lbs,Joan Guzman was the champion,Roach said no way.When he went to 135 lbs,Nate Campbell was the top ranked lightweight,instead he fought David Diaz the weakest champion.All fighters except for Ali cherry pick and Manny no different.
all of this is happening because the no. 1 black fighter is refusing to fight the pacman. where is floyd. duh we are the only race that could fight. thats why taekwondo,kenpo,hapkido,tangsodoo,judo,karate,jiujitsu,kung fu,muay thai, arnis, escrima,kali was develop in africa. i dont think so.
@ go or no go
Are you nuts! Why would any fighter come out of retirement and fight at the top level with out a tune up fight to shake off the rust give me a break! You guys can try and defend Pac man all you want but the fact is, this fight should have already happen from the first negotiations, but like true bull headed fans you guys will find and excuse to defend the fact that your man refuse the drug testing point blank. If Teddy Atlas is questioning this and he’s an all time great trainer than why are you?
@ Taj
I’m sure if Mayweather have sold you a pet rock, you would buy it. You’d feed it, pet it and even walk it around the block nice and proud like the way your neighbors down the street walk their Pitbull.
Black have dominated the HW since Jack Johnson came alone in the early 1900′s.
Dempsey avoided all the good black HWs. Joe Louis than dominated for many years (lates 30′s to the 50′s).
You guys are fools that discredit Pacquiao. I’m glad this website put a writer that actually backs his points up with substance and facts. I hope Pacquiao doesn’t stay at this weight. I hope he goes down and beats Marquez(who is one of my favorite fights) How come Nobody throws Paul Williams and Sergio Martinez, Bradley, Berto names around when they speak of Floyd? Why must they ask Pacquiao to face these guys who are naturally bigger. Its always Pacquiao needs to do this or Pacquiao needs to do that. He isn’t running around Screaming to the world that he is better than Ali and all that other B.S. Oh, wait he did say he was the best on 60 MIUTES. Pacquiao is larger than life. If Mayweather cant overcome his ego and fear of a loss to knuckle up and fight Pacman, then Pacmans best bet would be to go down to 140, meet Marquez in the middle and fight a third fight. 2 Million PPV buys that would generate…
-Great UFC card and Williams fight this weekend. Good times
@ Biggots.
When Mosley offered to fight Pac, his team wasn’t sure if he was gonna fight above 140 at that time.
At that time, Hatton made the most sense AND he was a bigger draw than Mosley.
@ Biggots can’t fight
Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
I bring up Pac’s lineal titles to show how he has nothing left to prove. He has every right to take the money fights, over the more challenging fights that won’t sell.
Let’s put this in perspective for a second.
De La Hoya has been a belt holder in six divisions.
Leonard in five.
FLoyd in Five.
Even if you take away Manny’s last two belts, he would have six, and still be the only man in this list to win four lineal titles.
Meaning he still beat the man who beat the man who beat the man more times than any other fighter in the history of boxing.
‘m not sure Pacquiao’s camp thought he should continue fighting at 147lb. at that time.
Mosley was a champ. How could fighting someone OTHER than a champion make sense? The money would have been the same in either case. If it’s about greatness, why not fight the newly crowned champ? Hatton made more sense for a camp that was affraid of Mosley.
To Phoocquiao: You keep bringing up “lineal titles.” Do you really think he EARNED the WBC super-middleweight title by beating a guy who has NEVER held the title? There were Actual champions at 154 pounds that he could have fought! WBC belt (lineal titles) don’t mean ISH anymore!
@Tony…how did you know I wasn’t being sarcastic? STUPID!
@Biggots…Okay? It still doesn’t change the fact that Hatton made more sense than Mosley…
on this sight it’s hard to distinguish sarcasm with truth. Sorry
It’s called sarcasm ..read through the lines…idiot..
To Go ro no go: You are wrong. Mosley and Margatiro fought for Margarito’s WBA welterweight title.
Pac is a natural 135 pound fighter~! Palvic! are you kidding me! What next Kilizco
Pacquiao should fight Pavlik. They both work for the same promoter and Arum could find a way to arrange “the fix”. Bring to Atlantic City and p!mp the folks into thinking that Manny is going to get killed.
Manny goes one to embarrass Pavlik in a 12rd easy decision ..ala ..Manny vs Margarito.
Manny solidifies his place as the Greatest fighter whoever lived.
However, now Arum wants Mosley.
Mosley after beating Margo made a lot of $$$ sense. He was #3 P4P and number one welter ahead of Floyd.
Like Ariza said, Mosley ran out of gas and quit. Pacquiao’s workload is 10X more than that and can carry KO power until the end. Pacquiao one of few boxers left who can fight 15 rounds like they used to.
Seriously
How ever skilled African-American fighters are, they are so boring to watch, thus very unpopular.
They are couldn’t even draw a crowd with a pencil.
Look at Mayweather. He’s the best pure boxer, and the slickest of the slick fighters, and he has to make a fool out of himself to sell fights.
So where would the money come if they didn’t have Pacquiao or the Clown to fight against.
Prolly why Bradley-Alexander is not a PPV fight even though it’s a very good fight as far as the sport and it’s hardcore fans are concerned.
I wish people woud stop talking about Shane Mosley. I love Shane I am a big Shane Mosely fan, but he is finished. He would get destroyed by Pacquiao. He has no stamina . He would be 40 years old by the time him and Pac fought. The real dodger of Mosley was Mayweather. HE waited until Shane was old, and almost got knocked out.
Pacquiao fought Ricky Hatton when Mosley laid the challenge, which made a lot of sense. Mosley-Margarito was at Super Welterweight in Jan 2009, when Pacquiao just coming off victory against Dela Hoya. The Hatton fight made more sense from the financial and tactical standpoint. Business 101 folks.
Manny is a ch!cken for refusing to fight Mosley when Mosley offered to drain to 143lbs after he KO Margarito. Pacman said no.
Pacman lowered his tail and said he didn’t know who Mosley was.
Is this the manly thing to do…?
@Phoo…Also, SAD to say, most of Berto’s followers could care less about boxing these days coming form Haiti (rightfully so).
Good article supported by facts. Of course, no one else will come back with a better counter since the rest are baseless…such as “if he is not on PED, he will give in to blood test” BS.
You can also conclude that the best competition, and globally represented, are in the under 147 pounds.
Mayweather should put up or shut up at this point. No one is paying attention to the fabricated Mayweather clan charges of PED. Should we count how many African American athletes been caught doing PED’s?
Manny is a cash cow for Top Rank. They will not risk it. It’s why Floyd Pacman hasn’t happened. It’s all about the money stupid….
I am a black american but I do say this..all of the articles written about this have there truths. He has NOT faced and black american..(Clottey is from Ghana and learned his skill in Ghana)…There AREN’T many of us in the lower weight divisions. Yet once he got to 140 and above there isn’t much of an excuse that could and can be made. People can say Berto WHO IS A BLACK AMERICAN (Parents from Haiti he was born and raised in MIAMI) won’t be a draw…but for a WBO/WBC unification would have been more of a draw then Clottey for sure….period! He has been called out by Timothy Bradley live on HBO..there’s a article up on Alexander..we all know Shane and Paul called him out..He won’t take a blood test to fight Floyd (Which I don’t get how people don’t question that). I do blame it on his promoter’s handling him to a degree. But Manny has to say yea or nay to every fight he fights also let’s not forget….I’m not choosing sides I’m just not blind to certain facts about certain things he’s the he has belts at 154,147 and 140..there’s no excuse why his NEXT FIGHT..shouldn’t be against ANY black american.
@Pezgato.
If Mosley really had a following, then his last couple fights (excluding Mayweather) would have PPV fights.
They weren’t.
The guy is not a draw. Even Mayweather said so.
@ SMH.
At this point in Pac’s career. After six belts (i’m not including the last two for sake of argument), and a record four lineal titles, what more is there to prove?
Clottey was available. Berto and Mosley weren’t when the Clottey fight was made.
Hatton has a much bigger following than Mosley and was still the lineal champ at 140, meaning no in that weight class had beat him or were ranked higher.
Yes, Hatton has a bigger following. You really think the amount of fans that came over from England to watch Hatton would follow Mosley to Europe? Hell no.
I do think that Pac should fight these younger guys, but I can’t blame him if he goes for the money first at this point in his career. He’s got 3 more fight left. One of those is bound to get a call.
Deep down pacquiao is a black man. He plays basketball and sings in his spare time. He’s broken english is as entertaining as mayweather’s “street” english.
For the last time how is mayweather scared when all Manny had to do was take blood test first negotiations
@Hepplestall and Barry – you guys have great boxing minds as you all know the facts…Just sad some people will never accept that Pac not fighting blacks on the ring is purely co incidental. All are trying to be blind on the man’s achievements and accomplishments
Very very idiotic topic, there is only one answer, all afrtican americans are afraid of manny pacquiao
Pac man hasn’t fought any one undefeated, at least fight Marquez again
Boxing is not about being taller is about weight. It requires both fighters to weight the same on the night before the fight.
Mosley and Williams both claim they could make 147 and Bradley, Berto and Alexander are all in Manny weight class.
There was a ton of money for a Pacman vs Mosley fight and Pacman refused.
Why is Geyweather Afraid of Lil` Fillipino that is the Question..
let me say one thing, mayweather is an AMERICAN! not an african-american. Mayweather is a BLACK AMERICAN. im sick of that saying. I am not a european-american. I am a white american.
lets make this fight happen!
@whiteboy. You just mad that there aren’t any good white fighters. Lol
this guy has so many belts but who cares if he didnt fight the best guys in the devisions to get those titles. time to step up compatiton or just retire.
bradley and paul williams both ranked in top ten. berto in top 15. manny hasnt taken on a top ranked apponent in years. its crazy how this guy is allowed to fight washed up recycled fighters ans is proclaimed the greatest. always some b.s excuse.
Good Facts.
Most African Americans are a lot bigger except for the one midget African American (Floyd Mayweather). Midget African American Floyd is the only midget African American, so that fight would make sense since he’s a midget of all African Americans.
@ Phoocquiao, so what you’re saying is that the sport is just about money, and not about challenges?, because honestly pac vs berto would outsell pac vs clottey and pac vs margarito, just on the fact that berto, even though not 100% tested, is undefeated, and champion….
Pac man. Vs berto people would want to see tired of excuses
no available black american midget .Make Mayweathers to fight Manny P.
funny how he skipped jr. welt devision with bradley and alexander ranked as top p4p fighters. hatton was best welt when he fought him are u kidding me? floyd. mosley and berto all where ranked top 15 at that time. could have taken on paul williams instead of margarito as well. manny does not duck black fighters he just ducks the best fighters in the game. u have to be beat up and washed up to get a shot at him
Nobody likes African Americans if there African they should be in africa
@ SMH
Who, besides Mayweather, would pay Pacquiao more than the fights he has taken?
@ the author…you say thats the reason manny hasn’t fought MANY African Americans, but the fact is that he hasn’t fought ANY African American fighters…and I think the point is lost in race, when some one says African American fighter, I think of a slick style boxer, there are plenty of them at 140…and Ricky Hatton was not the best at 140…he was just the biggest name…pacquiao is a natural 140lbder why is he avoiding this division where the fighters box and move with speed, to fight guys bigger and slower with no footwork, since marquez who has he fought with decent footwork and speed?
Black are slow there lips are to big
Asian arenthe quickest
I look at it like this.
The different styles of boxing (slick, mexican, whatever) are like the different style of kung fu.
You can’t say one style is better than another overall.
Some style may match-up better with others, but the strength of any style is dependent on the skill level of the person using it.
People say Bernabe Conception is the baby-Pacquiao. He moves like him, is explosive like him, but is not even close being half the fighter that Pacquiao is.
Team Margarito had an African-american fighter that was able to copy the style of Pacquiao, and he was south paw.
Would you say that it helped at all? No because that guy doesn’t have Pac’s skill.
Style makes fights, but skill ultimately wins them.
Ask Bernard. His style, that supposedly gives everyone problems, failed him against Calzaghe.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a b-hop fan, but these statements are dumb.
Hey guys this is a boxing website, we all know that african-americans are great in all other sports. except for lower weight boxing. Yes they are quick and smooth but they are just way to big. Paul Williams is a middle weight, if PAC fights him in a catch weight and he lose. They will just say that he was dehydrated and having a hard time making the weight. Just not good PPV boxing.
They are good at basket ball because they can shoot steal and run
ITS SIMPLE….They tend to RUN RUN RUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN. And are afraid to man up and fight him. Easy pickings for him
Without black fighters there would be no boxing. All the greats are black.
Just like all the great baseball players, runner, splinters, basketball players…
Imagine an Alan Iverson or Jordan as boxers….not even fair
Iverson is 6’1 lightning fast (middle weight)
Jordan would be a heavyweight standing at 6’8 lightning fast. Maybe faster than Ali.
Williams and Mosely will destroy Pac…nothing to do with race though.
Finaly a good article, well done.
Pac fought an African american a few fights ago.This is frivelous.
It”s them african american who scared and not wanting to fight the Pacman they need to prove who they are 8 chapionship whatelse your looking for I mayweather claims any fame! he must be joking!
If Paul Williams can make the weight why should he be penalized for being good and tall.
A good big man always beat a good little man. That’s still stand.
If Manny is great and Paul Williams is merely good than Manny can beat him. Because a Great little man beat, a good big men.
Margarito wasn’t “good” anymore. He was good before Mosley with loaded gloves…
SPEAKING OF AFRICAN AMERICANS, WHERE IS FLOYD MAYWEATHER???? WHY DOES HE KEEP ON HIDING AND MAKING EXCUSES???..HOW ABOUT CLOTTEY, DOES HE COUNT???OR IS HE CHINESE???
Paul Williams and Mosley who mixes it up both called out Pacman for big paydays and Pacman acted as if he didn’t know them.
Good Job Mark!
Paul Williams called out you idol many time. I guess his has some heart.
Black athletes can make more $$$ playing football, basketball and baseball where they dominate too.
@MbfromPhilly
I really like what you said. I believe African-American Boxers has rythym and timing. there are good boxers out there but are they rank in the top 10 of any division? I think Bob Arum don’t want to book PAC with a boxer not Top 10 or a champ? just not good PPV. I hope theres another African-American Boxer who can step up in the ranks just to prove that PAC is not avoiding them
the question is who is there to fight? Andre Berto is Haitian, so he’s not black black lolz. Bradley is a noob amateur and we all know Pac can knock is fool out in the 1st round. Shane Mosley needs to retire and already past his prime.
”IT’S UP TO MY PROMOTER, I’M JUST A BOXER”.
BESIDES THAT, ANYONE WHO IMPLEMENTS THAT ONE RACE IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER DOES NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO STAY ON THIS PLANET.
Pacfans will defend him ofcourse, but it’s true; *Pacquiao does not fight African American boxers!
american black fighters are a dying breed for one reason only. They got no heart. Quitters & Cowards.
African American fighters have rythym, timing, and natural slick footwork. Not all the Brothers have knockout power but…the side to side, in and out, ip & dip style would be problems for *Pacquiao’s style. Clottey only used the in & out and *Pacquiao couldn’t land 1 clean headshot the entire fight!
It’s no secret that *Pacquiao doesn’t fight the Brothers; just look at his resume. There are plenty of talented African American fighters between 140-154! Let’s see how many *Pacquiao gives a shot.
I have been saying the same thing for over a year now/ There are not many african americans in the top 10 in the lower weight classes that have a big enough name to sekll. not untill middle weight then you start to see dominate african american fighters.
I dont think its about race I think its about PAC facing excellent boxers. He faced two of them in Morales (the 1st fight they had when Morales was in his prime and not weight drained) and Marquez. Even though he lost those 3 fights; he fought VERY well. Since then, he has not fought the same type of competition. He just fights people whose style is tailored made for him (straight forward, no head movement or defense).
umm…..because his fans are morons.
Afrincan Americans and African decendent cubans and dominicans can also be included.
Joan Guzman #1 rank as jr lightweight(African Dominican) called Manny out.
Joel Casamayor (ring light weight champ (african cuban)called Manny out.
Nate Campbell when he was good.
Shame Mosley when he was better than now.
Now we have Timothy Bradley and devon Alexander.
But in reality Pacquiao avoid speedy boxers with skill and good power and also he avoid counter punchers to some extent.
He will don’t know if Pacquiao can beat a skilled boxer. Oscar and old and drained and doesn’t count.
In actuallity, not many good fighters can beat a skilled boxer with speed and decent power.
Floyd is undefeated b/c he is (whether many here like or not) a skilled boxer in decent power.
Pacman is a brawler with speed, that have developed some skills.
Who you think wins if they fight being that there are both close to their prime and match up well in weight?
But I do believe Mayweather is a Boxing god and would BEat Pacquiao
@Mark Hepplestall,
i dont understand with your article, you know that Why Pacquiao does not fight African Americans, because one of African Americans fighters has avoided pacquaiao, for example : MAYWEATHER….. where is mayweather??? is there any body knows? maybe he is hiding behind the bed.. haha..
why you didnt write about… why Why morales does not fight African Americans, or jorge solis, or david Diaz, or Chavez Jr. …. Huh
However I do believe that if Pacquio faught Mayweather he would get destroyed and humiliated. Mayweather is just way too much. I belive he is the Greates Of All Time!!!!
Because he is to good for them
Name one Black boxer under 160 that can beat Pacquiao. Black boxer’s are a dying breed ever since eastern bloc fighters were allowed to box pro. Also you will see much better Mexican American boxer’s since they have better nutrion here in the states. Frankie Gomez and jose Acieviedo will be stars. Argenitina is also producing better fighters. To bad Edwin valero died he would have cleaned up the 140 divison.
you’ve got a point mr writer
Bottom line is, NO AFRICAN AMERICANs WANT TO FIGHT Pacquiao
eh, mr mayweather
Makes sense to me and the best Black boxer makes excuses not to fight him, he wants to figth the best of the African American boxer but he doesn’t so maybe cuz they are all talk than action. Only Shane but everyone will cry he’s too old if he whoops or Floyd willl be crying i gave him the blue print to beat Shane