The Mayweather-Pacquiao fight will still happen
September 5th, 2010
By Dave Lahr: As much as some of Manny Pacquiao’s fans seem to be denying the possibility of a bout between him and Floyd Mayweather Jr. now that Floyd is being skewered by the media for his racist-filled video, they’re still going to be fighting at some point in the near future. The reason is simple – money.
I may be wrong about this, but I’m pretty sure that Arum is going to still be trying to put together a fight with Mayweather next year. So what if Mayweather has called Pacquiao some names. He’s still probably going to try and put this fight together because of the huge money it can still generate.
Obviously, it’s hurt the fight that it hasn’t been put together by this time but both fighters are to blame for that happening. It’s not just Mayweather’s fault. The fight could have been made during the first negotiations but Pacquiao held firm at not wanting random blood testing within 24 days of the fight.
Pacquiao can always tell Arum that he doesn’t want to fight Mayweather, but Pacquiao seems to have been letting Arum pick out the opponents during his career and I can’t see that changing now unless Pacquiao is really upset about Mayweather’s video.
I think Pacquiao’s fans, most of them, will want him to fight Mayweather even more now so that he can take out his frustrations by beating him up in the ring. Who knows? Mayweather might even be more eager to make the fight happen now that he’s getting dumped on by everybody now.
Mayweather has got to know that he doesn’t have much more time to make this fight happen. He can’t waste any more time if he wants to get the huge payday that comes with fighting Pacquiao.
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Does anyone know the status of Pacman’s defamation lawsuit against the Mayweathers and GBPs?
Are you too blind to see that maywhatever is avoiding this fight. Pacman has absolutely nothing to lose fighting Floyd. Fighters like Pacman don’t come around often and Floyd knows this so therefore Floyd is happy to be arguably and not undisputed pound for pound
Floyd’s gonna make Pacquiao wait…gonna make sure Pac’s system is completely clean. This fight will never happen; Pacquiao will NEVER match his natural skill against Mayweather’s! Boxing fans already know this!
@The Lou
Mayweather has already agreed to and taken RBT, Pacquiao did not comply in “09″; and still hasn’t agreed to full RBT. That might also be cause for the fight not happening. You think?
@honest – The experts aren’t saying he is on anything. There are saying their procedure is designed to minimize, as much as possible, the possibility that an athlete could be. They’ve already said they don’t test within 24 hrs of the fight, as I recall. But, up to that point and directly after the fight. So, if he can agree to 14 days, he can agree to up to the day of the fight, and right after. Lately, he and his camp (and some think Floyd himself made reference to this in his video) have admitted to agreeing to “everything”. If that’s the case–for some reasonI think he may’ve meant something else–he already agreed to comprehensive testing. And to me, that makes the most sense.
@MrRomero: DONKEY BOY! I bet if something was said about your race, you would see things differently. Still an IDIOT i see.
@kray
“It is an admission this is NOT something HE CONSIDERS a bad idea or something used to discredit him. I doubt he would accept a demand that he felt was meant to disarm him in some way.”
- You can choose to see it that way and I don’t see how I can change your view on it. But even on that statement you can also argue that just by rethinking it, he is putting his effort in making the fight. We already know why Pac hesitated with 14days let alone right through the fight RBT. He is not comfortable with the thought of drawing blood, so fully randomized isn’t really going to make sense. He didn’t exactly say that “alright I’m not get affected anymore..”.
“As far him not having something to hide. Well, if he truly wanted to demonstrate that, fully randomized testing (no cutoff) would make the most sense, IMO.”
- The guys already trying to go halfway, does he have to take the whole way just to make the fight. That’s not even mentioning that all this so called experts can’t even pin point what exactly Pac could be on… Oh yeah.. A side meth..
@An Honest Pacman Fan – Enough people familiar with how PEDs can be used, have already come out and said 14 days is enough time to use them, in various forms. I’m not going to dismiss those explanations as false, just because they don’t favor Pacquiao or don’t agree with another expert’s. These individuals know more about this topic than either you or me.
But, as I mentioned, he is NOT GUILTY in my eyes of any wrongdoing, where PEDs are concerned, until proven otherwise. That’s as fair as I feel I need to be on this matter.
I’m not sure if you understood what I was saying about his willingness to accept Mayweather’s proposal from the previous negotiations. It is an admission this is NOT something HE CONSIDERS a bad idea or something used to discredit him. I doubt he would accept a demand that he felt was meant to disarm him in some way. Hence, he did not accept it the first time around. He obviously rethought this.
It’s not just his willingness to make the fight, IMO. He came to a BELIEF this was something he could do and something he could endorse. Whereas at first, he was of the BELIEF, he could not do it.
As far him not having something to hide. Well, if he truly wanted to demonstrate that, fully randomized testing (no cutoff) would make the most sense, IMO. That was the ORIGINAL request, at the start of the previous negotiations, and what he was faced with going into this attempt to make the fight. He seems quite informed, I’m sure he understood that fully.
@Lex Puny
Pac will fight Martinez or Williams. Yeah right and Jimmy Hoffa is eating at Denny’s….LOL
i just cant see how this fight is going to happen.
pacquiao wont take random blood tests up to the fight, which to me is absurd when the other fighter has agreed to it, while floyd has stated that he wont fight unless there is random blood tests.
if the fight does happen, i hope pacquiao wins but i just cant see it happening unless he gets lucky. mayweather is just on a whole different skill set to pacquiao. and plus, floyd took mosley’s best shots and hes a bigger puncher than pacquiao.
i hope im wrong in that assessment, but pacquiao and his team are the ones to blame if the fight doesnt happen. dont get me wrong, floyd and his boys have played their part, but the underlying factor is pacquiao refuses to give random blood tests. and to me that is glaringly suspicous and unacceptable and it totally blows my mind that people try to defend this blatant act of performance enhancing drug abuse.
yeah he hasnt tested positive, but he hasnt been properly tested.
man up pacquiao. i support the way you fight but you can only blame yourself if you allow your legacy to be tarnished.
to be fair, I don’t think that Mayweather is a racist. I totally believe that his comments were made in fun. Personally I’ve made worse jokes when I’m with friends. Am I a racist? Hell no.
if anything I just think he’s just a jackass. Like when Kanye West stormed the stage at the MTV VMA’s. Lack of tact and character.
At the end of the day though, no one should be able to broadcast those types of remarks so freely. Should he be held responsible for his statement? Absolutely. Should he be viewed as a racist? No
@kray
“At the heart of those accusations is a suspicion that Manny’s outstanding performances since doing something many fighters find very difficult to do–become MORE successful while moving up 3 weight classes in two years–is due to having some ‘help’.”
- Pac isn’t the only one who has done this.. Mayweather has too, and a lot of other great fighters.. although his style isn’t the knock out type just like Pac, but he has also climbed weights. The first person to ever break this out in the open was Sr. and he even went as far as saying that he will advice his son not to take this fight.
“Why present Mayweather’s 14 day offer, from the previous negotiations, this time around, if he really believed it was meant to obtain an advantage? Why give his opponent that advantage, at all?”
- Your question is already an answer by itself. By trying to bend to Mayweather’s first request is also a sign that he has nothing to hide and at the same time he is willing to do anything to get the fight done. How are you explaining this to yourself? That somehow Pac has found a formula that can not be detected in 14 days? If so, then you already have subscribed to the accusation.
@An Honest Pacman Fan – At the heart of those accusations is a suspicion that Manny’s outstanding performances since doing something many fighters find very difficult to do–become MORE successful while moving up 3 weight classes in two years–is due to having some ‘help’. Let’s just admit that is very difficult for even the greatest athletes to do. So, either Manny is a very special fighter or he is employing some ‘help’ to achieve this. Most assume he simply special, matched well, etc….until proven otherwise. For now, I subscribe to that myself.
However, at the heart of all the ineffective persuasion and slanderous actions was a yes or no question presented to Manny. There were no money issues, there were no other logistical problems, that the two camps had not solved. But, the testing options that were presented to him…he said NO to. That was HIS right to do so. But, to dismiss them as simply ‘accusations’ leading to the negotiations to fall through, is not an accurate depiction of the facts, IMO.
If Manny thought the whole idea of the testing was just used to discredit him, why did he release a video saying that he wanted to take the test, he thought it was good for the sport, etc? That video has since been taken down (the same day, I believe). Why present Mayweather’s 14 day offer, from the previous negotiations, this time around, if he really believed it was meant to obtain an advantage? Why give his opponent that advantage, at all?
so its was fine when the filipino’s was calling floyd all kind of racist names all over the internet every day they talk about his father an mother, his family, just because he was told about miss pacman using roids, if anybody ask you to take a random drug test for 40 million, an u turn it down because you need 14 days without testing, even the dumbest person no that he must want to be on the drug the day of the fight, if a person tryed to get a high paying job, an you tell the employer u will take the test on your terms what u think gonna happen, only people that hate flody for who he is an what he stand for, will act like they dont understand, pac fights are set up fights, they want fighter to lose weight before he fights them, catch never been in boxing an if flody was a white boy ya’ll wouldnt say nothing you would been dogg pacman out instead,
@ Kray…
See I agree with most of your points.
The only thing I don’t agree with is if Mayweather was in any other sport, he would most definitely been fined and suspended. Do you remember when John Rocker made those racist comments all those years ago? he didn’t just get slammed in the media, he got slammed in the wallet and his career was never the same.
Boxing is just a different animal all together where, like you alluded to, a fighter can and will do anything to hype a fight.
@Phoocquiao – I agree that Floyd’s remarks were uncalled for. It will indeed serve as marketing (indirectly). But, it shows a lack of class on his part. Mayweather goes a bit too far sometimes. But, like or not, there is a healthy market, for that type of behavior.
I doubt if he’s getting any more of a “pass” for his actions than any other celebrity whose committed the same offense. He’s taken a huge hit in the media. But, it just so happens that in boxing, he’s considered “the villian” anyway. So, in the end WE, as fans of the sport, WILL reward him for this behavior, if and when he fights “the good guy” of boxing, Manny. So, in the end, he will land on his feet.
However, in terms of how he’s judged by the public, as a man, he will get no such reward. That’s the price he may have to be pay when the lights go dim, the entourage is all gone, and the adulation and money have all dissipated. It’s fortunate for him, that he is such a family man. Because, I doubt he will be ‘feeling the love’, from the average boxing fan. But, depending who he fights and defeats before he retires, he will have their respect.
@kray
You can argue that Mayweather’s first choice was Pac and all that and I’m sure I’ve argued this one way or another before..
But it all comes down to where everything started…
Without the Mayweather’s insinuation of Pac being on anything then we would have the fight..
And you could say that Pac could have taken the test and so on… but there wouldn’t have been any of this tests if the Mayweathers didn’t start all the rumors if I may call it..
All I’m saying is that in an argument of where the failure started…. the finger can definitely be pointed at the Mayweather’s for starting the drug accusations….
But then again.. that’s just my point of view…
@Phoocaquiao, the boxing world doesn’t care because this is what he does, has always done, and will continue to do.
He has been successful promoting fights this way. As far as him not fighting Pacquiao, I whole heartedly disagree. Too much money there, too much demand there, too much to be decided by these 2 facing each other.
May 2011 GUARANTEED!
Furthmore, Mayweather is getting a huge pass for this.
Had this been any other sport he would have been crucified for his comments. He would have faced suspension and fines. Luckily for him, boxing doesn’t have a conduct code or anyone to really enforce one.
In reality, had Mayweather been the opponent for Nov. 13 a lot of people would have just chalked it up to pre-fight Mayweather tactics even if they thought he crossed the line. People would have used that to excuse his comments. Given that he’s not gonna be fighting Pacquiao, or anyone for that matter, it just makes him look like a jealous frustrated kid. No one was even talking about the guy and he just had to open his mouth like he was forced to.
@Phoocquiao – My bad…you are correct…thanks.
@An Honest Pacman Fan – Yes…we have had some intelligent discussions…
Pac WAS his preference for this year’s bout. That simply cannot be denied. SSM was willing to do what Pac was not, and proved to be the next best option, so he got the call.
He reportedly trained like a madman for that fight, not to mention taking part in the promotion and marketing of a very successful venture, which yielded him over $60 mil (as some have stated). I could imagine he’d not have the “urge” to do that all over again, so soon. If I won $60 million in the lotto today, I would lose the “urge” to go to work too, for a good while (if at all)…and I like my job.
And this whole thing about Pacquiao being “easy” is nonsense. Floyd calls most of his opponents inferior, where boxing is concerned, particularly when the public hypes them as being so much better than him, and as opponents he MUST face to be considered legitimate…when he is easily a HOF’er if he retired, right now. I doubt if he considers Pac an unbeatable foe. But, he knows he will have to be in damn good shape to outlast him. That requires incredible preparation. No matter how “easy” he feels Pac is in terms of a style matchup, he will train tirelessly to prove that in the ring (as he does against every opponent). If he’s not hungry to do that, at the moment, he should wait until he is.
You’re being quite literal about this, though. He takes EVERY opponent seriously. This is evidenced by how hard he trains and his level of focus, come fight time. He just doesn’t boost their egos or those of their fans, by admitting he considers them worthy opponents…until AFTER they fight.
Knowing this…it’s my opinion, he does not want to “go back to work” until he is ABSOLUTELY ready.
@Phoocaquiao, probably not you, but many on here have been calling him names. Then he was directing his venom toward them. Not you.
@Dapper Dan
“What did Mayweather say that was so wrong that was different than what any of you have previously said?”
-Where can you find me calling Mayweather any names?
- And I can see why you see nothing wrong with what he’s done because you do it too…
Atleast you aren’t hypocritical….
@Dapper Dan
“Floyd does what it takes to generate as many PPV buys as necessary. Too bad Pac isn’t a better business man. He would be getting a 50% share rather than a 25-40% share.”
- Plain straight and simple, I don’t care about what these guys earn because I don’t get a cent of it.
“Mayweather will beat Pacquiao will the greatest of ease. Don’t you agree?”
- That’s what he says, me, I think it will be a very competitive fight and I don’t know who will come out as the winner. My prediction is Pac by KO or SD, or Mayweather by SD.
- Beat Pac with ease.. exactly what he says right… and he’s clearly annoyed at Pac… So why in the heck would he say he doesn’t have the “urge”???
“Or are you one of the few that is betting with their hearts that Pacquiao will win?”
– More important question for you… are you one of the blind Mayweather fanatics that would excuse all his actions and not hold him accountable for what he’s done?
What did Mayweather say that was so wrong that was different than what any of you have previously said?
@ Daper Dan..
That’s your response? Yeah Pac took some good shots. Count on a Mayweather fan to pay attention to the state of Pac’s face instead of the result. JMM couldn’t even open his right eye after fighting Juan Diaz, but everyone knows who dominated that fight. I don’t want to make a general statement about all Mayweather fans so I’ll just say that you just seem to be another superficial Mayweather fan.
@ Kray…
not to nitpik but he fought JMM is september.
@An Honest Pac Fan, Floyd does what it takes to generate as many PPV buys as necessary. Too bad Pac isn’t a better business man. He would be getting a 50% share rather than a 25-40% share.
Mayweather will beat Pacquiao will the greatest of ease. Don’t you agree?
Or are you one of the few that is betting with their hearts that Pacquiao will win?
Even the most biased Dave Lahr can not defend Mayweather’s actions of late, his racist remarks and his unsincere apology.
The whole world is finding out what this guy really is all about. Many will defend him to the end, some will quietly dislike him and slowly grow tired of him. It takes a bit of a person to say that he has made mistakes, both the Mayweather fans and Mayweather himself. This author is not one of those persons.
@Phocaquiao, Clottey threw only a few punches yet Pacquiao looked like he lost the fight.
I only pray Mosely fights Pacquiao next…
(Lights out for the little fella within 5 rounds…GUARANTEED)
ITS FUNNY HOW DAVE LAHR DOESNT DOGG MAYWEATHER OUT FOR THE RACIST REMARKS YET TALKS ABOUT HOW PACMAN HASNT PROVED HIMSELF AND HOW PACMAN IS ON STEROIDS YET HES NEVER SAID ANYTHING BAD ABOUT MOSLEY YET HE ACTUALLY TOOK STEROIDS
@kray
We’ve had a lot of really intelligent conversations so I’ll give you a bit of benefit.
But come on… seriously…
You think you’ll beat the other guy (the key word here is… EASILY), and you clearly aren’t happy with the current situation with him… you seriously can say that you couldn’t be bothered taking care of business and just get rid of the annoyance?
mmmmmmmmmmm sorry… but I really don’t buy it…
As of your argument that he only fights once a year.. I don’t buy that either… he’s only done this how many times compared to the rest of his career…
@Honest – I think it’s more about not having the “urge” to prepare for that fight, or perhaps any fight of this magnitude, after just having a big fight. From the trend, it seems he is a once a year fighter. JMM was last May, SSM was this past May. I suspect he will seeking his next big fight, next May…against Pac most likely. I’m no expert…just making an educated guess.
@ Daper Dan..
Learn fight dynamics.
Clottey didn’t fight back because he felt that he couldn’t. He saw how fast Pac was and had no answer. he even said it. Pacquiao was waiting for Clottey to open up and was hitting him. So Clottey didn’t open up, and Pacquiao drove the ponit home by throwing over 1000 punches at the guy to keep him in his shell. Boring but effective. Like Mayweather yeah?
Dave’s sudden change in writing style is a testament to how despicable Floyd’s actions have been as of late. Not even the most biased Dave Lahr can spin and defend this guy. Dave has standards? Who knew?
Wow Dave! You have changed a lot since I came here several months ago. Your articles with Pacman are more pleasant!
@Dapper Dan
Sorry mate… but if you say sports isn’t my forte.. I’ll take that.. that’s your opinion..
But your explanation isn’t sufficient…
“He took the hardest 2 punches he has ever taken in his ENTIRE career in this EPIC fight.”
-Even Mayweather himself said he’s been hit worse… check post fights interview dude.. you’ll find him saying this.
And to say that Mayweather trains so hard.. are you implying that Pac doesn’t?
LOL!
And just to break this down simplier for you…
- If I think I can beat a guy so easily and I am so angry at the guy… I won’t be saying “I don’t have the urge to box him”….
Does that make more sense to you?
@An Honest Pac Fan…Obviously sports is not your forte.
I will try to explain in as simple terms as I can.
Say whatever you want, but Floyd Mayweather just finished fighting the #1 WW Champion of the World, and the #3 P4P Champion of the world and made it look like childs play. He trained like a Trojan Horse preparing for that fight which showed in the ring. He took the hardest 2 punches he has ever taken in his ENTIRE career in this EPIC fight.
Pacquiao just fought the #8 Contender, that refused to fight back, and covered up for 12 complete rounds. No actional at all!!! No more than a sparring session. (And it showed)
It takes a lot of preparation, he left it all in the ring, and he is beginning preparation to Crush a little fella I think you know.
He will be ready. He fights for the biggest prizes in history. Manny fights from check to check.
@Phoocaquaio, isn’t WapakCrack left handed? After Floyd dismantles WapakCrack with the greatest of ease, (And he will…you will see)won’t you believe then, or will you say WapakCrack fixed his own fight?
I will bet you little guys then start saying WapakCrack fixed the fight for money, rather than admitting he got his ass kicked…
Drug accusations.. purse split.. negotiations falling through..
ALL OLD NEWS
Let’s use a little logic here, and any of you self proclaiming smart people explain to me why this is so…
- Mayweather disses Pac and rants about him and everything, clearly irritated about the whole Pac situation…
Do we agree on this?
Okay so if this is the case..
- Do you guys think it makes sense that even with the fact he feels this way, he will say he doesn’t have the “urge” to box with Pac?
Maybe I’m not as smart as you self proclaiming Boxing Experts… so can you please tell me in a logical point of view…
HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?????
This fight is the best option for both Floyd and Manny, as long as neither guy loses or retires. Floyd stated his intention was to fight Manny upon returning to the sport. Boxing fans should hold him to that promise. Manny stated he is willing to accept all Floyd’s demands. He should be held to that statement as well. I doubt that either guy is fully satisfied with their achievements up to this point, unless they are satisfied with being, arguably, the second best fighter of this generation.
@Phocaquiao, Thanks Man…Sincer we are being so honest, let’s be men here.
Manny Pacquiao fights, slow, forward plodding, beaten, broken down fighters, that are coming off devastating losses, with mandatory “Catch Weights”.
Right handed or left handed, it doesn’t matter. They must be slow, forward plodding, beaten, broken down fighters, that are coming off devastating losses, with mandatory “Catch Weights”.
Perhaps I need to say that once again?
I bet you Phoocaquiao that Manny Pacquiao would lose to every one of the following:
1) Mosely
2) Berto
3) Martinez
4) Williams
5) and yes JMM at 140.
Your fighter that you worship so blindly, is an absolute JOKE and a DISCREDIT to the sport of boxing!!!
P4P King! “Pretty boy” Floyd “Money” Mayweather!!!
Manny’s not gonna jump through hoops for Floyd. Meaning he’s not gonna chase Floyd for a fight nor go out of his way to not fight him either. He’ll continue to let Bob Arum pick his opponents and if one of them happens to be a willing Mayweather, then so be it. As far as money and exposure, none of that matter (at least on Manny’s end). It’s up to Mayweather. And if what he says is true, we may never see a May-Pac fight. According to Floyd, he can make $40mil per fight without Pac and now that he’s an internet celebrity, he doesn’t need the exposure either. So Floyd will have to swallow his pride and come to the negotiation table. Here’s to hoping.
@Daper Dan
Edit: FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR.IS DAMN GOOD AGAINST RIGHT HANDERS.
There you go I made your statement more accurate.
mayweather should be ashamed of him self for the racist jibes he made at a fellow p4p king. hes ruined his image and any chance of being a great. hes too wrapped up in his self and money and that will be his down fall. a black man being racist. its a disgrace. pacman should sue him, take his money that will hurt him more then any defeat
two thumbs up for Mr Dave Lahr! you’re not that biased anymore dave…keep it up man.
@Anonomous, Shane Mosely is next in line for Pacquiao should the Mayweather fight falter. Mosely will be even older.
Let’s see how Pacquiao does vs. Mosely.
IMHO, Mosely will KO Pacquiao inside of 5 rounds. EVEN AT 39!
@Bri…My friend. I have watched you quibble with these guys continuously for much of the day. You just can’t do it my friend! It just goes from 1 ridiculous argument to the other with these little guys…
Floyd wnats rules changed because he requests blood testing, but the WapackCrack can request anything, and whatever he wants, and that’s OK. The WapakCrack has the world in his hands, yet Floyd needs money. The WapakCrack has agreed to every demand including Complete, Comprehensice “Random” blood testing. Yet noone has seen anything to this effect. (WE WILL HOLD HIM TO THIS)
All I have to say to all of them my friend is, the day after Mayweather and The WapakCrack fight, you may not become fans of Mayweather, however; you will then see and believe…
FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR.IS DAMN GOOD!
Tomas Dudek, Pittsburgh: “Pacquiao should leave him out in the cold, and Arum should back him up by not letting any Top Rank fighter go near Floyd either. See how he likes losing his 0 to Martinez or Williams when he spends all the money he made against Mosley”
James Ramsden, Harrisburg: “They still both need each other, Floyd just isn’t interested in anything except making money. He fought a lightweight and then a faded Mosley, who only got back to the top by beating Margarito who was unfocused due to losing his plaster wraps”
you can’t force floyd to face pcman coz i’m 100% sure that hes afraid to a tru champ! truth hurts…..
@wilson manny adds stipulations that role about what the commmision rules have set all the time. why is it ok for manny to do this he actually also did this druin the floyd situation with the 10 mill per pound clause. catch wieht for title bout with antonio and cotto but since its manny its ok. just like floyd is a so called bad role model. but manny is a holy man even if he cheats on his wife all the time. but since its manny its ok.
@Musaka**** how exactly is floyd desperate to make a buck????? he made over 60 million dollers last year.thats over 48 million dollers after taxes. and he easily makes over 20 million dollers a bout. if he was desperate for money he could set up a bout with berto or bardley and make over 20 million. he could set up a bout with martinez or williams and easly make over 50 million as he did with mosley. makin money is not one of the issues floyd has in his life.
@wilson – Asking for additional testing is permissable by the COMMISSION’S RULES. It has been done before. What about that can’t you understand? And you question my level of education? Please man…
Maybe you will understand this better. Asking for $10 million weight penalty is an ADDITION to the current commission guidelines regarding weight penalties. But, it is PERMISSABLE by the commission to do so.
It’s the same thing, wilson. Both fighters asked for something that was not on the ‘menu’, but, they were within their rights to do so.
Step your game up wilson. This is the most elementary concept of this entire debate. It ranks right up there, in level of complexity, with 1+1=2.
@Tha Lou ******** ten mill per pound clause was makin up rules. commision already has rules set for that. not to mention manny and his catch weiht bout for titles when commisiion already has rules set for title bouts as well but since its manny he can do whatever he wants like avoidin the top boxers in the world in bradley,alexander,berto,martinez,williams and its ok because its manny.manny makes up his own rules all the time. due some history checkin. has all those titles yet never takes them from the best boxer in those devisions.always an excuse for why he wont step in with the best available and you all make excuses for him all the time.
li’l floyd is boring anyway.
Floyd is desperate to make a buck. He’s better at foul-mouthing than he is at boxing. And with his (filthy excuse of a) father as coach, now, THAT’S a dream team worthy of their own reality-tv show. Suggested title – “THE DESPERATE HAS-BEENS”.
@kray..
Addtional blood testing is not making up another rule? Which not required by the commission? You need to go school to understand the difference between the current rule or additional rule. How old are you?
WHO CARES NOW F*CK THEM BOTH ESPECIALLY MAYWEATHER
Yo Jack Florefkhead, There is no way possible that Pacquiao can regain the lead in negotiations leverage without him facing:
1) Mosely
2) Martinez
3) Williams
40 Berto
5) JMM III
Unless he faces one of these opponents and defeats them convincingly, he will always be begging Mayweather for a fight and as much of a cut that Mayweather will allow.
In my opinion, Floyd will offer a 40% cut to Pacquiao, and the “Random” testing option.
The fight can be made immediately. Its in your court Pacquiao!!!
AND NOW IT’S MAYWEATHER’S TURN TO CHASE PACMAN. MANNY PACQUIAO HAS RIGHT TO REFUSE AND REVERSE THE SITUATION. HE COULD CLAIM THAT HE DESERVES MORE ON THE REVENUE BECAUSE OF HIS WORLDWIDE STATUS, RECORD AND ACHIEVEMENT COMPARED TO FLOYD MAYWEATHER. HOWEVER, IF HE IS BEATEN BY MARGARITO, IT IS TOTALLY A DIFFERENT SCENARIO.
I DON’T THINK SO THAT THEY WOULD FIGHT SOMEWHERE IN THE FUTURE IF THE SAME DISAGREEMENT IS NOT SETTLED ESPECIALLY THE POT MONEY SHARING RATIO. MANNY PACQUIAO HAS EVERY REASON TO DISAGREE WITH FLOYD MAYWEATHER’S DEMAND BECAUSE OF HIS CURRENT STATUS AS A TRUE CHAMPION OF P4P IN THE WORLD.
JACK FLORES
BOXING ANALYST
MANILA, PHILIPPINES
@tha lou – Of course it is Pacquiao’s right to refuse. Neither of these fighters have ever been caught breaking commission rules. They both acted within their rights in this situation. You say if Floyd never brought up the testing this fight would’ve happened last year. But, you can also argue that if Pac would’ve at least taken the 14 day deal, it would’ve happened. Evidence that Pac thought the 14 day cutoff was the deal he SHOULD’VE taken, is the fact he came out with a video later (which was quickly taken down after his election to Congress) stating that he wanted to do the testing, it was good for the sport, etc. Also, the first offer he made publicly, for the second attempt to make the fight, was testing with a 14 day cutoff (Floyd’s offer from the previous negotiations).
Pac didn’t have to have a history of PED use, for Floyd to ask for additional testing. Suspicion and/or caution are the only requisites for that. Tyson asked it of Holyfield w/o Holyfield having a history of it, prior to their second bout. I’ve heard (but have not substantiated this yet) that ODLH asked Floyd to take two additional PED tests before their bout. Floyd has no history of PED use.
Dave Lahr, You surprised me with your last two articles. Although your still leaning towards Floyd, you’re trying to be unbiased. That’s fair enough for me, but please, don’t predict that Pacquiao will win over Margarito. You always predict that Pacquiao will loss on every fight and he keep on winning. Don’t jinx Paquiao winning streak. Thanks…
I hope not.!
I wish Mayweather would say that Marquez can’t speak english. He need an interpreter and stupid enough to drink his pee. Let us see what’s the hispanic community will react?
F— this fight..Everybody wants to see it but this back and forth nonsense has bee ridiculous
@ kray,
so it is also Pacquiao’s right to refuse demands that Mayweather had never asked for in his 40 previous fights. All I am saying is had Mayweather wouldn’t have asked for those demands, perhaps there would of been a fight last year. It was Floyd that brought those ridiculous demands to the table with absolutely no evidence that Pacquiao was or has used PED’s!!! It takes a bigger person to give a person credit for what he or she has done, rather than accuse that person of accomplishing things by cheating.
It will either be the random blood teting or the money that will make the next set of negotiations rocky (again), I suspect. If Pac’s next fight does well in PPV’s, surpassing 1mil buys, I can’t see Pac taking less money AND agreeing to random blood testing w/ no cutoff. I can’t see Floyd taking an equal or lesser split than AND ageeimg to a cutoff on the RBT. But, I could be wrong.
If Pac has agreed to fully randomized testing in the previous failed attempt to make the fight, as some seem to believe, that’s one MAJOR stumbling block out of the way.
Bob Arum, and Manny Pacquiao quickly walked away from the initial negotiations in January 2010 due to Manny Pacquiao refusing to do blood testing within 24 days of the fight.
Clottey was quickly chosen as an opponent and the fight absolutely flopped. Floyd Mayweather took control of the negotiations with the EPIC and highly entertaining fight with Sugar Shane Mosely. 1.4M PPV buys, compared to the 700,000 PPV buys of the Pc/Clottey fight.
@tha lou – Mayweather didn’t make up new rules or break any existing rules by asking for additional testing. That IS his right to do, by COMMISSION rules. Pacquiao did not want to do it the way Floyd was requesting that it be done. He proposed a counteroffer to suit his needs. Floyd countered that. They came to an impasse, and Manny moved on first…seeking Joshua Clottey as his next opponent.
pacs a baby if he doesnt want to fight him after these comments.
mayweather will destroy pac man within 9 rounds
@ bri,
who brought up the whole blood test bs??? Mayweather!!! The Nevada Athlectic Commission doesn’t make it mandatory for Olympic Style testing, does it? The Nevada Athletic Commission doesn’t put these contracts together. Mayweather asked for it, he and him alone!!! I don’t remember Manny Pacquiao asking for blood testing, or trying to change any rules heading into negotiations. It’s all on Mayweather!!!
Did somebody know when the proceedings start about the law suit filed by pacs against floyd? I am more interested on this one than the fight itself. My urge for the fight die down already. I don’t expect it anymore.
check out ronnie jordans article about munroe. much better!!!
hehehe a fight in the court, not in a boxing ring!
trash talker! apologize in the court! hahaha!
@the lou…. you are incorrect. the blood test was part of the contract the entire time. when manny decided he no longer wanted to do the test he said he wanted a 10 mill. per pound clause added to contract thinking floyd would say no but floyd said ok. manny then started with his many excuses for not taking the test. floyd actually signed the contract. manny walked away for the clottey fight.
Mayweather doesn’t have the “urge” to fight.
Now this is getting personal. I think fans on both sides would prefer an MMA match to see who really wants a beatdown!
I just love how people keep blaming Pacquiao for the first time the negotiations fell through. Wasn’t it Mayweather that all of a sudden wanted to change the rules going into the fight?? Mayweather fought 40 times before and not once did he ask for blood testing of any kind. It was Mayweather who set up the obstacles for the first fight, and he did it without having a shread of evidence that Pacquiao has used PED’s!! I am convinced that neither fighter has used PED’s and both fighters are almost the same size after starting in the same weight class at the same age. Yes Mayweather was still in the amateurs at the age of 16 and Pacquiao was fighting pro at the age of 16, but you cannot deny that each of them were fighting in the same weight class at the age of 16 (106 lbs). The 2nd set of negotiations fell through after Mayweather “isn’t thinking about boxing” and doesn’t have the “urge” to fight. Then his team comes out stating there were never any negotiations going on. WTH??? Mayweather is solely to blame for this fight not happening, and there is nothing else to it!!!
$65 millions Floyd made from the last fight. (He is confused, that is what he earned last year, including endorsements)
Greatest fighter , better than ALI. (Well being number 70 in the list is way long off to be considered great at this stage).
Yes, they will fight but not in the ring where majority of fans are wanting for. My guess, it will be definitely in the court. Mayweather faces the earlier libel suit and now another slander video will be presented. These two boxers will be remembered to a court fight. Pacquiao recent comment for having 2 more fights to go before retiring. I think, he will granted JM Marquez to what he´s wishing for, Pacquiao vs Marquez trilogy.
IF YOU PAINTED FLOYEDS FACE HOW MUCH WOULD HE LOOK LIKE THE MASK???
YOU KNOW THE JIM CARREY FILM!!!
With Floyd’s lifestyle and investment decision, his money won’t last long but legacies will last more than a lifetime.
PAC may not be as rich at Floyd at this stage but is comfortably rich compared to other great fighters.
Floyd made $65 million his last fight. Manny made $6 Million do the math. No matter who Floyd fights he’ll make $$$$$$ there are too many people that want to see him win and some want to see him lose. Manny has lots of fans but dose bad business arum still owes him money from past fights. Arum and roach are both getting fat off of him but he’s too nice to do anything about it.
Wow pretty good unbiased article by Dave lahr. May u continue on with better articles or go back to just biased remarks… only time will tell. But good artcle, best Iv read of urs In months. Keep it up
@lapu lapu – at the end of the day if u have 10 titles or 20 and the most influential this and that in this sport or that sport but if it does not get u money then who really cares. Forbes list is the one
Floyd is not deserving to have his biggest pay check of his career after his crazy tirade and insincere apology to PAC.
If he thinks the more than $50 million check for the mega fight with PAC is a sure thing………Well he better think again.
After PAC beats Margo with the biggest attendance in US history and more than 1.5 million PPVs (plus 8 world titles)……..Manny will be the new Money Guy.
Bob Arum was ranked no 4 as boxing most influential person ahead of Don King ranked no 5. Oscar De La Hoya was ranked 37 .
i still don’t wanna fight PACQUIAO PLEASE
it is what it is .. im on vacation
PAC was ranked the 25th boxing most influential fighter ahead of Robert Duran (27) George Foreman and Joe Frazier. Muhammad Ali was ranked number 1.
Ah yes, Floyd manage to make the top 70. Number 70 that is.
If Floyd really does fight the top fighters of this era than he should be fighting Manny Pacquiao. I’m tired of seeing people say that Manny is cherry picking or Floyd is cherry picking. I can argue both ways that both fighters cherry pick their opponents. Fact is that the fans want to see Floyd vs Manny. Real boxing fans should want to see this fight happen like the golden days of boxing when the top fighters fought the other top fighters in their primes. I don’t want to see this fight happen 10 years down the road like Hopkins vs Roy Jones Jr. II. They are both at the top of their games and to see them fight is what boxing needs.
hey mr lahr, by saying that floydie is getting dumped on by everybody now does that mean you included?
Floyd when manny throws his left hook just lay down even if your not hurt, hahahahaha
I think pac should fight williams or martinez next at 154.
It will be more better on his legacy.
To be honest mayweather really dont need pacquiao because of the selection of fighters, where as pack keeps fighting bums, while floyd is fighting the best in todays boxing. Mayweather fans and REAL BOXING fans sees and knows this. Pack cant expect mayweather career to fall because mayweather is generating money all over the place not just boxing because of his status of hardwork and championship winnings by beating TOP class fighters unlike manny, lol peace.
I really hate to say that Floyd is a disgrace to black Americans. He’s afraid of the midget and his ball, if he’s aint got one, are up on his throat everytime he hears the word PAC.
This writer David Lahr is talking non-sense again!
guess what pacquiao wins next fight might be p.williams or s.martinez, these guys will become richer and famous especially when they beat pacquiao.
that is when you become so greedy floyd now manny won’t give you the fight that will make you more richer. lol
i just cant see how this fight is going to happen.
pacquiao wont take random blood tests up to the fight, which to me is absurd when the other fighter has agreed to it, while floyd has stated that he wont fight unless there is random blood tests.
if the fight does happen, i hope pacquiao wins but i just cant see it happening unless he gets lucky. mayweather is just on a whole different skill set to pacquiao. and plus, floyd took mosley’s best shots and hes a bigger puncher than pacquiao.
i hope im wrong in that assessment, but pacquiao and his team are the ones to blame if the fight doesnt happen. dont get me wrong, floyd and his boys have played their part, but the underlying factor is pacquiao refuses to give random blood tests. and to me that is glaringly suspicous and unacceptable and it totally blows my mind that people try to defend this blatant act of performance enhancing drug abuse.
yeah he hasnt tested positive, but he hasnt been properly tested.
man up pacquiao. i support the way you fight but you can only blame yourself if you allow your legacy to be tarnished.
Dave is a true fan of Floyd. His idol is immature and of no class. Out of control and an idiot. So does Dave.
Sorry Dave truth hurts my man!
Who is this dillusional writer. First of all, it was Mayweather’s fault for both negotiations falling apart. He was the one dictating the conditions for the fight. When Pacquaio finally gave in, because he really wanted to fight this FRAUD, all of a sudden Mayweather goes silent. Now that Pacquaio is scheduled to fight Margarito all of a sudden we here a racial rant from this ignorant, no-class idiot.
According to Mayweather Jr. Why? he made $60 Million this year and its still growing…. (that’s sarcasm)
Most fans are already disenchanted with the “possibility” and are now becoming apathetic. If there is news that a fight is set then people can get into it. write some new…….
voidweather has no class! none!
this fight will not happen. arum does not want it to happen and floyd will not take a 50/50 split. and manny will not do drug test up to fight. arum has manny set to fight winner of cotto chavez jr. then he will have manny fight clottey again probably. both sides need to shut up about it and writters need to stop giving fan false hope about a fight that will never happen.
We all want the fight. Even those who say they don’t.
But Dave, there’s another reason this fight is going to happen: exposure. Floyd has now stated more than once that he intend to fight Manny after his break. He has intimated next year, and when was the last time Floyd called someone else out?
He’s done that here, and there’s no turning back for him now. Manny has expressed interest in the fight, and finally called him out direct shortly after their negotiations fell through, just as the Margarito fight was coming to fruition.
This whole soap opera reeks of WWE promotions. I feel we, the fans, have been taken for a ride, used and abused in order to entertain the whims and fancies of the powers that be.
It’s a shame that boxing has to drag so many people through the mud just to get the most competitive fight.
Imagine if World Cup was like this, or the Superbowl. Could you imagine back-room deals and negotiations to get the Colts and Giants to agree on terms to play one another?
It’s ridiculous when you think of it.
…ryan