The welterweight fiasco: Aydin, Berto, Mayweather, Pacquiao
August 17th, 2010
By Chris Kelly: Boxing fans and critics alike seem to be making out that World Boxing Council welterweight champion Andre Berto is ducking his mandatory challenger Seluck Aydin when really we all know the only reason Aydin has even reached the position of WBC Number 1 contender is boxing politics : He’s a huge name in his home country and sells a lot of tickets there. This was apparent in his last fight against Ionut Dan Ion, which practically sold out.
Mandatory challengers are a subject that should be taken seriously by champions, and title defences are commitments that should be honoured. Although the responsibility here does not simply lie with the Champions, governing bodies (in this case the WBC) also must ensure that their challengers and indeed all of their rankings must be listed fairly and realistically. I am sure that if Berto’s top challengers were Mayweather, Pacquiao, Cotto, Clottey and Kell Brook then I’m sure Berto would be much more likely to oblige the WBC in defending against his mandatory challenger and of course the WBC would have a much greater argument for their case in insisting he do so. Do boxing fans really care if Berto shirks of the title defense against a unknown fighter of limited ability?
On the subject of ducking opponents, WBO Welterweight Champion Manny Pacquiao has come under criticism for opting to fight disgraced former champion Antonio Margarito instead of taking a third fight against rival Juan Manuel Marquez. Marquez and Pacquiao in their last two meetings have produced two of the finer fights in recent memory; the first being seen as a draw and the second a close majority decision in favour of Pacquiao whilst Mexican Antonio Magarito has been banned from competing for over a year now after he was discovered concealing a plaster like substance within his hand wraps after his loss to Shane Mosley. Both fights between Pacquiao and Marquez were incredible and both decisions could have easily been seen going in any direction. However Marquez, in his one sided defeat to Floyd Mayweather, recently proved he is unable to campaign as a welterweight and Manny is by now far past the point of no return as a lightweight. It is time to move on, for now at least. Whilst I do not believe Margarito deserves this fight and the payday that comes with it, there is only fighter Pacquiao should be facing and he is not a Mexican.
Manny’s fellow culprit, the undefeated Floyd Mayweather Jr. currently seems to be in need of a credible opponent of any sort with every top welterweight having already been beaten by either himself or his Filipino rival or already tied up in negotiations to another fighter. This being said, with Don King now at his side, there is no way of knowing what Floyd’s next move will be. No advancements on a possible mega-fight between he and Manny have been made as of yet.
Tags: Aydin vs. Berto, Aydin-Berto, Mayweather vs. Pascquiao, Mayweather-Pacquiao ,Andre Berto, Floyd Mayweather Jr, Manny Pacquiao, Selcuk Aydin47 Responses to “The welterweight fiasco: Aydin, Berto, Mayweather, Pacquiao”
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@Dave Lahr Has AIDS
Andre Berto is WBC Champ and was sposed to fight Sugar Shane, anyone who knows boxing knows him dude !
Good article, mandatory challanger and fighters who refuse them suck and Wbc are dumbass punks for picking Aydin as there no.1 ! why not floyd or manny ?
@boxing_Coach
Fo sho bredda you know it ! Boxings skillz son Pretty Boi gots dem ! He beats Pac manerz da one champ.
mandatory challengers are just one more reason no loves boxing anymore. every fighter these days is either a champion or a mandatory challenger. WBA WBO WBC IBF IBO IBA IBC UBO WBF WBU RING MAGAZINE all claiming to be the champion all insisting on fights with unkown mandatory challengers and thats just for the supposed world title. everyone also has an international champion, an intercontinental champion a european champion a british champion a commonwealth champion about four different us champions various african titles and asian champions and pacific champions and asia pacific champions and interim champions. is it any wonder no one knows whats happening ? Floyd and Manny are both a disgrace they should have fought eachother by now for the one wlterweight belt. Berto shouldnt be the champion he should be the one mandatory champion who gets to fight the winner of pac and floyd. Aydin should be fighting for a european title somewhere against mathew hatton not buying a shot against a world champion !
Hi there I am a boxing coach at the local amateur gym, work mostly with young kids, been doing it for almost 20 years now and let me tell you there aint no way in hell that Seluck Aydin deserves to be anywhere near a world title shot. He’s a bum with a punch. Berto is out of his league, by rights Aydin should have lost his last fight. In a perfect world this would be the case:
Champ: Pacquiao
No 1: Mayweather
No 2 : Mosely
No 3: Cotto
No 4: Clottey
No 5: Berto
No 6: Kell Brook
No 7: Senchencko
No 8: Zaveck
No 9: Seluck Aydin
No 10: Ionut Dan Ion
No 11: Michael Jennings
No 12: Alfonso Gomez
No 13: Luis Carlos Abregu
No 14: Mike Jones
No 15: Mathew Hatton
One Champion, One Mandatory, One set of rankings. Your the champ you fight your mandatory, your the mandatory you earn your spot there !
@Kingfloydkong
Ha ha ha! Dude, that’s brilliant!
@Let’s get it on, by hype, smoke and mirrors, catchweights, handpicking, draining, dehydrating, previously beatdown fighters. That’s why.
What he’s doing is nothing short of amazing.
Berto vs. Floyd can be made in a second. They are both handled by Haymon this should be a no brainer, but Haymon has been protecting Floyd from Berto and Paul Williams. Yes people, Haymon has the controlling interest in Williams, not Goosen. That is also another fight that can be made in a second but Haymon protects Floyd.
Mayweather: I’m the Greatest Fighter of All Time.
From now on, if you want to fight me you must;
1.) Take olympic type drug testing (random).
2.) Purse split should be 80:20 in my favor.
3.) Wait until my vacation is over.
4.) You should be 35 years old and above.
5.) You should be coming from lower weight division.
6.) You should have a ring rust.
Wait for my other demands.
The biggest disgrace in boxing today is none other than Floyd Mayweather himself. The self-proclaimed ‘Greatest Boxer of All Time’ just need to stop his bs excuses and just fight Pacquiao period. Pacquiao is as clean as Mayweather is and everybody in boxing knows that!!
@NINJA
if pac didnt do something amazing in boxing, so why is he in no. 1 p4p list? why his name is everywhere in boxing world? he called out the self proclaimed greatest boxer in the world dude and not your list..
to all boxing fans :
why looking for a better match with pacman and at the same time criticizing them? we already know that pac wants to fight floyd but he’s nowhere to be found.
why not open a topic encouraging floyd to show up and fight these guys that yuou want pacman to fight with?
we all know that floyd is the culprit of all these fight limbo.
its funny how pachaterz think pac is cheating. pac wants to fight jmm. but stupid jmm sed he wnts 50 split and take random bloodtest. pac responded to jmm by telling him to fly a kite. den u guys think bradley alexander berto fighters that has no fan base will beat pac.u make me sick. its arum who is the demon.he put cheto to fight pac so pac would look impressive hitting the slow no defence slugger.
@Afrocutioner, I’m with you man.
@FLA
While a 3rd fight with JMM is indeed intriguing for Pac I would rather seem him fight someone new. This Margarito fight is really unfortunate because there are a number of other fighters out there the fans would like to see and that quite frankly make better sense. Personally I would like to see Pac fight Berto. Berto is similar to Pac, very fast, explosive and both lack defense but both are tough as nails. A fight with Berto makes the most sense to me. PWill is too tall and I´m not sure a fight with S.Martinez makes sense right now, a lot of risk there.
I´m interested to see who Berto fights, he´s young and explosive and will probably be avoided by the big names. Kotelnik is the only guy willing to fight anyone at this point it seems.
WBC PRESIDENT JOSE SULAMAIN
this is the same guy who took the scorecards from a controversial decision in a fight and flew back home to mexico he is dirty
as i stated before money would win again in getting margarito a license in the states how else could you book a fight and have h b o stand behind you money wins
also you heard it here first margarito vs pac will be a drama and controversial fight it’s the only way arum can justify pitting pac against a fighter like margarito
peace gotta go to work
“PACMAPHOBIA says:
August 17, 2010 at 7:53 pm
@ninja,
Mosley was preparing for a fight with Berto, but you know what happened, right? berto pulled out of the fight because of the tragedy in Haiti, right? so Floyd saw this chance to fight Mosley knowing that having another 3-month preparation would definitely tire Mosley and easily beat him come fight night, right?
therefore Mosley suffered from BURN OUT right?”
This is a new one to me… why are you all still making excuses for Mosley? He didn’t.. You all are hilarious in your attempts to discredit anything Mayweather does.
For as long as mayweather insists on his unreasonaable demands no fight will push through!
JUAN
if floyd mayweather died who do you think pac should fight? should he keep fighting cotto , and margarito who would you match him up with?
MISUNDERSTOOD
is their a problem with manny fighting the other guy’s ? berto , williams etc.. i am assuming you are a pac fan so lets forget about floyd mayweather how about these other guy’s what do you think?
FLA WE DONT PLAY
money talks bro and arum is pimpin pac like thats his only ho she may be his best ho but he got his ho’s fighting each other
i agree pac should come down in weight to fight marquez and he should fight some of the young bucks to save face who could blame him if he loses he will have the respect he will not get from the margarito fight.
but as i have said before arum and roach have to set up a drama filled fight with margarito it’s the only way to come up clean
Don’t you midgets ever question who The Crack Man fights? Don’t you ever second guess the actions of Bob Arum?
You call Mosely an old man when Floyd beat him, but he was the WW Champion of the world and #3 ranked P4P Chamion on the Planet! Yet Arum chose Clottey who nobody knew. Now he chooses Cheato who doesn’t even have a license!!!
How about Berto for a fight? You say Crack Man would crush him? Then what’s the issue? Crush him!
How about Bradley? You say Crack Man would crush him? Then what’s the issue? Crush him!
How about JMM? You say Crack Man would crush him? Then what’s the issue? Crush him!
How about Martinez? You say Crack Man would crush him? Then what’s the issue? Crush him!
So many choices so much better than Cheato while you wait for the big payday with Floyd!!!
Crack Man, while you wait for Floyd Mayweather Jr. Step up be a MAN MIDGET and fight:
1) Berto
2) Bradley
3) Martinez
4) Mosely
5) Williams
After any one of them, you will then be worthy of the big payday with Mayweather. Even after you take one of those ass whoopins from one of the 5 above, you will still get a maximimum of a 40% Split.
Midgets, accept it…FMJ is the PPV King. The Crack Man is a Midget Grunt!!!
And all of you midgets know this…Man!!!
Flomos are like their idol Fraud Floyd – big talker but couldn’t back it up. Ha ha ha!
Even fellow black Evander Hollyfield said that Pacman is more popular and a bigger draw than Floyd. And Manny should not accede to a lower share. Now that comes from a fellow black like Floyd. And Hollyfield also views Floyd as a big pus&y if you read his statement between the lines. Ha ha ha! Pus&y Boy Floyd! Suck it up Flomos!
NINJA must be a 12 yr old. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
hello
Of all, Floyd Mayweather treat boxing and his fans with no respect at all. Boxing for him is dispensing cash money ala ATM. Once he the millions, forget boxing and off to a bum life. Looking back at his last fights, I think we were all duped. Marquez as a tune up, and with Mosley as a gift from Golden Boy.
DrugUser Floyd will NOT fight Pacman no matter how his slaves try to push him. Reason for his vacation is that he is under care at rehab center for OD of his substance due to addiction. The DrugUser Floyd only wants to fight aged boxers and fisherman. DrugUser Floyd is silent because his fans the slaves whom he abandoned long time ago speaks for him under their own illusions. DrugUser Floyds destiny is unknown, now he is inching himself on the umbrella of DK the fixer, good luck Flomo.
NINJA is a stupid moron, no one should take him serious. Just ignore the fool and maybe he’ll go away. He is just here to spew none sense because he has no life.
@NINJA
Pacman beat Hatton in 2 rounds stone cold KO … took Flod 10 and De La Hoya beat Floyd but Pacman destroyed him … people are saying Manny is affraid of Marquez but he got in the ring with him twice floyd only did it once and is scared of a rematch ! who is scared now the huh ?
ANDRE TO FIGHT KOTELNIK ! HE IS THE BEST LIGHTWELTERWEIGHT HE WAS IN TH EOLYMPICS JUST LIKE BERTO AND HE BEAT MAIDANA AND HE WAS ROBBED WHEN HE FIGHT KHAN AND WHEN HE FIGHT ALEXANDER AND EVERONE ELSE IS AFFRAID OF HIM ! MANNY AND FLOYD ARE SCARED TO FIGHT ANDRE BERTO AND ANDREAS KOTELNIK ! THEY ARE THE BEST LIGHTWELTERWEIGHT AND THE BEST WELTERWEIGHT AND WHEN ANDRE WINS EVERYONE WILL KNOW THAT ANDRE BERTO IS THE BEST !
HAITI FOR EVER !
@Pacman4lyf, the problem is The Crack Man couldn’t beat any of the top 5 in the WW Division. NOT ONE OF THEM!!!
Berto would KO the Crack Man
Mosely Would KO The Crack Man
Mayweather would humiliate the Crack Man
The Crack Man wouldn’t consider Martinez at a Catchweight at all!!
The Crack Man will forever avoid JMM even at a Catchweight
The Crack Man will always chase Cotto and Cheato for a second and third and fourth fight. I would love to see him pick any of them, any of them, and fight them. Don’t just hold out for a payday with Mayweather. Fight Berto while you wait?
Please Crack Man?
PBF should have taken Shane’s WBA strap then Pacman could beat him and unify it with his own WBO crown. Berto could fight whoever the IBF has placed as there champ and then the winner loose to Pacman and then Manny is champion of the whole Welter division !
WBO WBA WBC IBF RING MAGAZINE
@William Mackay
Your soo right Amir Khan should stop avoiding everyone and start facing Pacquiao and Ortiz and Paul Williams.
Paul Williams is a welterweight easily and Khan can be a welterweight easy aswel. So fight him at welterweight he makes Marquez move up why dont he move up
This is why floyd don’t want to have a title! Mandatory challengers are a subject that should be taken seriously by champions, and title defences are commitments that should be honoured.
Pacuiao would destroy Khan inside of 3 rounds!!!!! he won’t go back and fight Prescott ether! far to risky!!No small and ageing is the way Khan will go until people lose interest in team farceKhan and he then has to step in with some one who can punch then we’ll see king or the Great Pretender.
Pacquiao should fight Khan next, Khan hides behind Freddie Roach using the fact that they share trainers as an excuse for Khan to avoid him. Khan avoids Maidana, Prescott, Pacquiao, Bradley, ALexander and Mayweather
its the fact that berto is trying to fight Kotelnik instead thats making him a joke
@ nepe
That’s like the Lakers going to the finales without going to the playoffs.
As for Berto he’s just looking for a big money fight to fast. He needs to build his name first, draw crowds, then go after the big money. But you might be right he probaly is scared.
@ nepe
Manny is ruiening his career under Arum. He needs to leave him if he’s still going to fight. How is the WBC allowing them to fight for a title? There a bunch of jokes.
@Quisey lol berto is afraid just like manny how about manny fighting marquez on a catweight? meet in the middle i mean manny has been doing that since he moved up in weight how about him doing it now? and i really lol´d on this—> “As for Manny fighting Margacheato, there’s nothing no one can do about his decision. He let Arum tell him who to fight and he doesn’t put his foot down so that’s his problem.”
where is the humble guy that fight who he wants? its all greed and everyone can see it marquez still a danger for manny thats why hell never face marquez again, hes been ruuning from marquez ever since he got that gift in the last fight decision.
as far for the margarito and manny fight you then can see how thing and laws are bend just to hype the filipino how is a cheater vs a guy whos never foght on that division gonna fight for the title? how about the guys on that division that have been working to get to the top 10? where is the respect for those guys? i mean from the philipino where is the humble guy? paper title hes gonna get!
@NINJA…”Pacquiao is steering clear for the big payday vs. Mayweather. Sorry Bud, 25%-40% is all you get!!!”
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Who cares about your opinion. Your idol is a poser and doesn’t deserve a crack at Pacquiao. Maynever is clearly the one steering away from PAC…”I’m taking a year or two off”, “I’m not interested”, “I’m not desperate”, “I’m on vacation”, 5!55Y F@KKKN P#55Y.
Baby Floyd should call out Mike Tyson…if he wants a credible fight.
Boxing fans are turning off in droves,i been a life long fan but boxing is a farce now with all the cherry picking of opponents going on with the help of fat ass promoters.
MARQUEZ IS DONE – HE BLOWS NOW, WHY THE HELL SHOULD PAC FIGHT HIM?
Pac fans say that Marquez doesn’t belong in the same category as The Crack Man and would get destroyed easily.
Wouldn’t it make the most sense to take on a fight with Marquez and satisfy the public, destroy Marquez and look goood doing it? Wouldn’t that build the case vs. Mayweather that he deserves an even split, rather than a 25%-40% split?
I am a pretty logical fella and it makes so much sense to me. Pacquiao stays sharp by taking a warm up fight with Marquez, KO him in easy fashion and demand a 50% split. I know that’s what I would do.
But somehow i sense a fear of JMM from the entire Crack Man Camp. The same as I see a fear of Berto, Mosely, Maidana, Martinez, Williams, and Bradley.
Pacquiao is steering clear for the big payday vs. Mayweather. Sorry Bud, 25%-40% is all you get!!!
Take it or leave it!
Ok what the WBC is doing with the mandatory challanger i think is kind of fair. But if Berto doesn’t fight him i can’t blame him. I think boxers need to protest agaist these sanctioning bodies stealing their hard earn money. 3 percent from your purse is bad enough, then you got to pay the trainer, promoter, etc… It’s not right. I’m happy Floyd didn’t fight for that WBA belt. That’s why fighter are vacating the belts because they mean nothing.
As for Manny fighting Margacheato, there’s nothing no one can do about his decision. He let Arum tell him who to fight and he doesn’t put his foot down so that’s his problem.
As for Mayweather i think he should adleast fight Berto or something to not get rusty. But like i said yesterday on Hot 97.1 a radio station he said retiring is a big option right now. So who knows.