Pacquiao thinks Margarito knew his hand wraps were loaded

@Ryan Dunn,

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Ryan Dunn says:
September 1, 2010 at 7:34 pm

@Hardnox

Manny has a voice. Arum has a bigger voice. Manny sets his terms. His promoters lime up the fighters. Get with the goddamn program simpleton.

…ryan
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I feel sorry for you. You are clearly very limited. The blood testing issue clearly shows that Manny had a bigger voice and is capable of having an overriding influence on what goes on around him.

Why can’t Manny fight Margarito, Margarito had already served his time.There’s no ruling banning Margarito from boxing.When we talk of ethics,it is easy to judge people on their weaknesses.What about us, are we so clean and perfect that we have never make mistake in our life before.Don’t we give people a 2nd chance to redeem themselves.

@Slight…I am Navy Seal and these idiots are using my name…

The Magnificent Pacman is ill at ease going into this fight, he was even pining to fight PBF even after Arum’s deadline came and went and when Margo was announced as his next opponent. No doubt an ATG, if not in the top five when it’s all said an done, with or without the PBF fight, Pacman clearly has profound insights and understanding of the sweet science…but he is also a man with deep religious faith and superstition…and on both level of the objective rigor of the sweet science and the spiritual world view of the Pacman, I feel Pacman feels that this is his last fight, a fight he will loose, a fight almost ordained by the gods of boxing to have him pass the torch to that one persecuted once and future king of Mexican boxing, thus balancing the scale of fate and justice by allowing the people through whom he had found greatness and destroyed a chance at a spectacular recovery and redemption.

Objectively, Margo is too big, too long, too strong, too durable for the Pacman…even Roach said, after the Hatton fight to Ruff97, that they would consider Cotto, but not Mosley for at that time he was ‘too good’ for a still exploring and growing Pacman…and that they were not foolish enough to even consider Margo because of his size, reach, and extraordinary durability.

Go to any objective unadulterated scribe and analyst on the subject such as Dwyer et al and it is clear this is Pac’s most difficult fight if not his last and will go into retirement, as any other ATG exiting the sport, appropriately, righteously passing the torch of greatness to someone who will continue in the sport and not turn back the gain in the sport the Pacman’s spectacular rise had bestowed on the sport the past three years.

@Antonio’s Musings

You’re totally right, I should not have engaged with most of these morons. I am not going to humor them any further.

I’ve said my peace. Anyone who wants to sort it out for themselves can review what I’ve written on the topic.

Regarding second chances. I would give him a second chance if he admitted that what he did was wrong, but Antonio has not done that, nor has he apologized to Mosley and any other fighters prior he may have put at risk with the inserts in his wraps.

That’s my position.

…ryan

Conveniently not mentioned by the writer of this article is Pac very American, very Christian retort as to why he is accepting of the fight Arum had proposed to the Pinoy ATG…that everybody deserves a second chance, a chance for redemption, a chance to demonstrate contrition (voluntarily not fighting for 18 months in the US without challenging the commission’s ruling or waiting for the appeal).

*yawn*

Is this really what Mayweather fans are all about? Teasing and name calling? I don’t know how old guys are but you sure act like a 12 year old. Go do your science homework or something hehe.

@Buck

you better watch cricket not boxing..go with the stinky indians and kiss their ass!

Nothing personal… ya all have the same smell. Yup, just bark when he is ready…

Way too many incompetent filipinos here… If you are reading this

then you know Floyd is going to murder your idol in the ring next year.

haha, you’ll regret ever wanted to fight the master of defense and counter puncher and the zero loss title holder.

Booyah! respect the man for his undefeated record you morons.

I own you little man…Your little Phaggio Floyd is afraid of the Crack Man!

He is cornered, he can’t respond to the November 13. So better to go on vacation and hide.

Of course he is a coward, he fought another midget and he has to be overweight, then fought an old man good only for two rounds.

It really hurts for you fans. Wow, that’s what you get when you get exposed by Pac.

@.com

It’s called having an iPhone chump. Get a phone lil mamas boy. Get off your dads computer. And of course I don’t know anything when compared to one of your intellectual prowess. That’s apparent.

…ryan

This is a pathetic website.

Slippery when wet, too much come from Floyd Sr eh?

Ryan will never EVER EVER EVER admit defeat. I have dismissed him on his ego plenty of times.

Spreading lies is his specialty. I bet you Ryan is a trans ladyboy from thailand who Pacman is dry humping lol. We all know he cheated on his wife. I bet Ryan is the home wrecker lol lol lol

In the toilet? LLOL, you have the most incompetent police force and you dare say we are crumbling? hahhaha. Hey nissan why dont you apologize to the hong kong tourist who died in the hand of incompetent filipinos. cant even hand a simple task. incompetent nation, incompetent people dependent on donation from other country. lol what are you guys the poorest island in the pacific?

oh yeah, i know what filipino are good for. housemaid. isnt that your speciality? i need my shoe wax and bed made in the morning. pronto! haha

@Hardnox

Manny has a voice. Arum has a bigger voice. Manny sets his terms. His promoters lime up the fighters. Get with the goddamn program simpleton.

…ryan

Mosley knew. y would he admit he did no he was taking steroids?

Wow, so many racist comments. I suggest you people drop the childish act and stay on topic. This is a boxing forum.

lol you are a Phag, I called you on it and you reacted haha.

Mosley was punish he didnt get any fights for like 7 years after the scandal. He didnt know it was steroid, his trainer gave it to him. Just like Barry Bond and Sammy Sosa, non of them knew.

Unlike MARGRETTECHEATO who knowinly planted the cement in his gloves.

Filipinos has no culture, they adopted the Christian faith. If you are an old white man, just go to the islands. You’ll get so many vagginas than you’l know what to do. The Filipino will throw their daughter at you to take to america.

Pacqauio is part of the government and he encourages this type of behavior.

Ryann stop being a PHAG, get out of the closet and face reality. You opinion has no weight,, its stupid and you make up lies.

Mayweather wants full random drug testing up to the fight. He has never changed his position. Arum can talk all he wants. NO NEEDLE NO FIGHT!

IF NOT GO BACK TO YOUR THIRD WORLD COUNTRY!

WHO HAS MARGRACHEATO FOUGHT? NO ONE

HE IS A NOBODY

ARUM IS A CROOK AND WANTS TO FIX THIS FIGHT LIKE THE CLOTTEY FIGHT

Pacqi has not agreed to anything. Floyd is the ppv king he deserves 70/30 split. If you dont like it go back to your third world country.

My bad…I misspoke. My little guy agreed to testing at the 24 day cutoff point.

The problem is when you did not comply…

Like what Mayweather did to JMM! That is cheating.

Rofl, Floyd took out Mosley at a regular 147 limit, took out DLH at a regular 154 limit.

Both are guaranteed Hall of Famers.

Phag?

Couldn’t fight Cotto at a 147 limit.
Couldn’t fight Mosley at a 147 limit.
Couldn’t fight Margarito at a 154 limit.

In fact, Phagiao HAS NEVER WON A BELT ABOVE 140 WITHOUT A CATCHWEIGHT.

Reality bites, huh?

Mayweather walking talking chiccken. I want to see him fight Dave Hayes. A spectacular fight that would be. Mayweather can get a belt in that weight division before Manny has a chance. Manny is a hungry belt chasing thief.

Funny how Floydiots debate. Sorry, Floyd is exposed already. Your man is a classic coward.

D’Andre

Anyone else think Floyd and his fans are jealous?

In October 2007, Pacquiao defeated by unanimous decision boxing legend Marco Antonio Barrera, who, at the time, was promoted by and a part owner of Golden Boy;

In March 2008, Pacquiao defeated Juan Manuel Marquez, another boxing legend promoted by Golden Boy;

In December 2008, Pacquiao scored a lop-sided knockout victory over Golden Boy founder Dela Hoya forcing him into retirement; and

In May 2009, Pacquiao scored an easy second-round knockout victory over Ricky Hatton, another fighter promoted by Golden Boy.

Angry at Pacquiao and jealous of his accomplishments, Schaefer, De la Hoya and the Mayweathers (Floyd Sr., Jr. and uncle Roger) conspired to destroy Pacquiao’s reputation and questioned the legitimacy of his victories over Golden Boy’s fighters, his professional achievements and his legacy as one of the greatest boxers of all time.

Fans of Floyd are just mimicking words from Floyd’s mouth. Mayweather jr told a bunch of reporters and fans that “Pacquiao’s got the power pellets, yo, and the steroid juice.”

His daddy or whatever Sr stated publicly that steroids aren’t going to make Pac no faster, it’s going to make him relentless and strong, but that’s it.

More slander come from Schaefer and De la Hoya wh ocirculated a “blog” comparing Pacquuiao punching power to that of to great boxer Shane Mosley and Fernando Vargo who have admitted to using PEDs.

Funny thing though… De la Hoya reverse his claim after Pac retired him… “pac didn’t hit hard. He didn’t really hurt me”

LOL

keep fighting cheaters you bastarrd

you never fight guys mayweather destroyed in the ring like marquez, mosley, cotto, delahoya, zab, baldi, marale, barerra, wright, jawabe, and more

@Hardnox, Man don’t waste your breath! These guys make things up as they go. No facts, No Stats, just conjecture.

As it rolls off the top of their heads is how the tards debate.

Manny agrees, Floyd doesn’t agree. Especially Ryan keeps saying Manny agreed to testing, yet he has yet to put it in writing.

I have NEVER…EVER…EVER read that Manny has agree to Full Complete “Random” drug testing.

NEVER…EVER…EVER!!!!

These Floydiots or whatever…anyone but Pacquiao eh? That’s life, can’t blame you for sour graping. You have to waste your time here in this site complaining about Pacquiao, instead of championing your own boxer. Sorry, he is out of office.

Because Manny believes everybody deserves a second chance, just like how Floyd gave Shane a chance knowing full well he has a history of cheating by using steroids.

Ryan Dunn

@Hardnox

I gave you my “voice” answer twice already dipsh/t. And you can just “go with your gut” when problem solving, I’ll stick to facts, logic and deductive reasoning. Works better every time.

…ryan
Posted September 1, 2010

The way I see it, Manny has shown enormous gratitude towards the man who made him the #1 p4p in boxing. The naysayer will stretch they eye out looking for any connection to feed their fire. How can they be happy when Manny has shown loyalty instead of acting like a spoiled brat wanting everything his way (Floyd).

The negotiation took place, Floyd rejected because there was something he didnt like. He didnt want to negotiate further. The end of story.

Pac moves on to fight someone else.

Hardnox does not want you to search for facts. Go get your facts from Mayweather Sr! lol

@Ryan Dunn,

Yes but when logic and deductive reasoning gives an answer you don’t like or agree with you run to google so you can find some data to hide under.

That’s you in a nutshell.

margacheato needs to fight mayweather first. its not fair that pacquaio gets all the good fight. i hope non of the mexican buy this fight for its a stunt by arum to give pacqua another belt. mayweather is more deserving of the belt he beat marquez, the same guy who gave pac trouble

this is your god and lord pac. I command pactards to remain blind. Worship me, lord pac, i command you. Speak no bad word against thy lord and god pac for the midget gods will strike with vengance. This is god

I respect Pacquaio to all degree. He has earned his rights to be crown king of boxing. Margacheato however should fight lower ranking studs like Mayweather first before he fights the king..

makes absolutely no sense…

i want to see mayweather fight hatton’s brother mathew. that will set all kinds of record, british people are gullible and will buy into anything much like dave haye. mathew hatton is fierce beast, but i think mayweather will come out on top.

@Taylor

Hahahh. Sorry man I get carried away. I do it for two reasons:

1. It’s good sport

2. I hope for other (usually smarter) readers to see the argument and decide for themselves. Floyd freaks will go to all sorts of pathological lengths to justify blatant cowardice.

…ryan

@Hardnox

Manny negotiated the resting terms in good faith despite having every reason to walk away altogether from that camps poisonous slander.

Floyd negotiated also. The blood went from random no cutoff to scheduled 14 day cut off. Manny went from scheduled 30 day cut off to scheduled 24 day cut off.

I’ll give your sad presence extra points if you can tell me where the 14 and 24 day figures came from.

Bottom line. Manny made final offer of 24 days. Floyd said no deal.

Some of us actually REMEMBER how it went down.

Now the issue is what’s at hand. What excuse do you afford Floyd this time? Vacation? You’re a gullible sheep if you buy that ole trick.

Mannys been the one to make the effort. The only effort Floyd has made, from high purse splits to slandering manny to arbitrary drug testing to phony vacations, have been to avoid the fight all together. Period.

…ryan

Have you ever watched a session in the Philipine Comgress with the Filipino congressmen debating?

The ENTIRE country of the Philipines debates like the Filipinos do on this site. Lies, stretched truths, misinformation. and confusion.

Arum leads Manny by the nose and he follows, head down, hands folded. This is their nature…

These people are doomed!

Hmmm..

Phag beat Cotto at a catchweight.
Cotto barely beat Mosley at a regular weight limit.
Mosley destroyed Margarito at a regular weight limit.
Phag refused to fight Mosley without a catchweight.
Phag is now fighting Margarito at a catchweight.

Hmmm, what is the pattern here…?

Ryan, what’s up man? Haha… aren’t you getting tired of repeating yourself? I don’t know where you find the energy to deal with these pinheads. It’s the same dammn conversation everytime. You might as well place a footer under your post to ward off similar heresy and the naysayer parrot.

Ignore em lol

As I scrolled down to my blogging space to make a comment on the writer’s article, I have to go back up and check the name of the writer again, i.e., Dave Lahr or Chris Williams. These two Weeder Stooges have nothing good to say about Pacman. They are always condescending on the man. Instead of questioning Pacman’s logic of fighting Cheato Margo, why not question their paying Master – Weeder’s logic of fighting old man Moseley? Can’t do that man, otherwise, the Weeder checks will stop coming.

Now, answering Chris or Dave who I believe is the same person or writer. Why is it that Pac is still fighting Cheato Margo even after knowing that the cheater is aware of the plaster tape being wrap over his fists? Answer is simple. Their paying Master-Weeder is scared to fight Pac, with his so many requirements and alibis. Plain and Simple. So, Pac has to fight, to stay in shape. It is also about business and economics. There is money on this fight!

@Hardnox

Thick? Floyd made up the demand while simultaneously allowing his employees defame his upcoming opponent before the fight was signed.

Thick?

Second time around at least three separate parties admit negotiations took place. Spleens denies this.

Thick?

The only think thick around here is the setting concrete around your ankles bro. And yes, I am going to take Floyd and Mannys actual quotes overs heresy any day of the week.

Floyd tells me he’s not thinking Bout boxing. Ok. Floyd says he’s on vacation. Ok. Floyd tells Leach he’s back and ready to fight. Ok.

Manny tells the associated press he agreed to every single demand from Floyd. Ok.

So now we have Floyd free to fight, manny ready to agree to everything. But yet…. no fight.

Curious eh?

…ryan

@Tell It

Cotto was top 5 WW when Manny dismantled him. Cotto who dismantled Mosley. Mosley who beat Margarito. Margarito who beat Cotto. Margarito who is fighting Manny.

Got any more? How many top 5 did May fight? Be specific. How long has he been at or around WW?

Try again and stop dodging my questions. Well see who are the pukes. Lol.

…ryan

@Tell It

Answer me. What made Mosley the #1 WW and #3 P4P? Be specific.

You can’t have it both ways pal.

…ryan

Margarito is an exposed chump.

You really can’t see the pattern?

Before he gets caught with plaster in his wraps, he’s KTFOing out of big guys like Cintron and Cotto.

After he gets caught, what happens?

KTFO by Shane Mosley.
Looks like utter $hit against Garcia, a journeyman that nobody even knew existed.

But really, it wasn’t the plaster. /sarcasm

Rofl you really believe everything that comes out of Phag’s mouth?

If OST wasn’t an issue, why was Arum and Phag and Roach flip flopping on the issue for months after the failed negotiations?

Now just because Phag says they agreed to everything (they didn’t), you suddenly believe them?

Right, so it was all Mosley’s and Mayweather’s fault that Phag somehow managed to avoid fighting two guaranteed future Hall of Famers.

Instead he ended up fighting Cotto, Clottey, and now Margarito.

None of whom are Hall of Fame bound.

But really, it’s not Manny’s fault.

SMH you Phagtards are stupid.

If Manny Crack Man Pacquiao agreed to every demand that Floyd made, TAKE THAT SIGNED CONTRACT TO THE PRESS AND EXPOSE FLOYD!!!

All of you Pactards are embarrassing! You are lead by the nose by Old Man Arum, you believe everything that comes out of the Crack Man’s camp, while worshipping a joke of a fighter that feasts on broken, beaten down, drained, dehydrated, slow, forward plodding fighters coming off of devastating losses while avoiding any fighter ranked in the top 5 of the WW Division.

You guys are pukes that give boxing a bad image. Manny Pacquiao, and Freddie the Joke have irreparably damaged boxing under the tutelidge of Old Man Arum.

HISTORY WILL NOT BE KIND TO THE CRACK MAN!

if however, once pacquiao beats margarito and floyd finishes his holiday, and a third round of talks begin and team pacquiao dont agree to random bloods, then we will no that roach and pac were dishonest.

either. that statement is pretty damning to team floyd.

@Ryan Dunn,

I have no argument to lose, you, on the other hand, have two choices. Either Manny has a voice in which case he could have done something to influence the selection of his opponent in his next fight, or he has no voice, in which case the blood testing arguement was just an excuse by Top Rank to avoid the fight with Floyd.

pacuiao the junkie has been with more ladyboys than eddie murphy he loves dwarf chickboys but he never gives it he only takes it

Also for those who missed it. Manny and Roach were quoted today saying that PCquiao indeed agreed to ALL of Floyds demands including unlimited testing up to the fight, NO CUT OFF…

“I agreed to take a test anytime, any day. [...] I don’t know what happened but it was my decision on testing. I agreed to this so that I could see, so that I could really know what is the reason, really, that he won’t fight me.

“For me, I am satsified with my boxing achievements. I don’t need Mayweather now, he needs me. It’s the fans who suffer.”

So now what? What’s the next excuse Floyd fans?

…ryan

Chris Williams the most annoyed Pacquiao hater in the entire universe, before you talk about margo you easily forget that your idol Floyd the DrugAddict also fought a self confessed cheater which is Mosley, the 3 are cheaters FloydXylo, Margo wrapper, Mosley Peds and last but not the least is you Chris Williams, you are cheating yourself.

BREAKING NEWS pacman is a drug addict cops should be called to arrest one of the biggest pushers in america freddie roach

@Hardnox

And stop with the third grade schoolyard bully antics. Unless of course you’re a third grader, in which case carry on.

You’re knee deep in a losing argument with nobody here to throw you a rope to get out of the sinking sand. Stop acting tough.

…ryan

Another one bites the dust.

Bye bye Mr. Objective.

haha. alright that’s enough. I’m not sure I want to deal with the constant nitpicking and avoidance of the larger issues I mentioned 3 times over. I can at least conclude that in this instance, the pacfan knows his side’s faults and addresses them head on, but the mayweather fan chose to ignore theirs.

Any mayweather fan want to talk a bit more objectively, hit me up – Mr. Objective aka Mr. Slippery.

PS – Ryan, thanks for the thoughts. See you soon.

@Hardnox

Did you buy Floyds last fight? Did I? What does that make me?

I’m a boxing fan who wants to see May and Pac fight. What’s that make me?

I think the blood testing was a ruse and that Floyd was and is stalling. What’s that make me?

You have no other argument besides you think Manny should pick his opponents. What’s that make you?

…ryan

@Mr Objective,

So the blood test was a personal insult to Bob Arum? That’s a new one.

You guys really know how to stretch it. You are really slippery.

@hardnox – so now manny choosing margarito has been reduced to “speaking up” (or not speaking up) and “Arum will take note”?

dude, I didn’t agree and you really should stop misinterpreting my statements.

Arum did not have to consult Manny to reject the testing clause. Hell Manny was lawyers, miles and days removed from the negotiating table. Like I said earlier, even if Manny was ok to take the test, Arum’s pride would keep fighting against the ridiculous demand. It’s a personal insult. It didn’t matter what Manny felt or said about the testing; Arum was going to reject it anyway. Arum’s a lawyer, and a good one. That’s how it works when you hold a vital client like that.

Yes, Manny has a voice. Literally. When it comes to Arum nothing emanating from that voice is of consequence, and that goes for the negotiation and picking the fighter.

Here’s proof that I was right in assuming Arum was banking on the controversy and “story” of Margarito to justify his choice for him as an opponent for Pacquiao:

“24/7 excels when there is great drame and this fight has it. Manny Pacquiao continues to conquer new challenges in the ring and in his life, while Antonio Margarito returns to the ring having been through a very controversial episode that polarized many in the boxing community.

24/7 will examine all aspects of what has taken place since the night Antonio Margarito fought Shane Mosley. We will chronicle the suspension handed down to Margarito and the subsequent reinstatement process.”

(Ross Greenburg, HBO Sports)

See? They want the controversy to drive the marketing. The Pacquiao/Margarito 24/7 airs on October 23.

…ryan

@hardnox – fair enough. but in the same manner, a pac fan would reply to your post: “if mayweather didn’t make such a ludicrous demand, then there would be no issue to speak of.” pointless debate.

im just hoping for a mayweather fight in the near future with none of this drama.

Another way to look at this is to not treat Pacquiao or Mayweather as some sort of Christ figures set to save the boxing world from its own demise.

How about this proposal:

I’ll give you a $15M guarantee for an easy fight while you wait to see if you can get the fight that will earn you at least $50M.

What would you say?

…ryan

@Mr. Objective,

I know it sounds like I am taking it to the extreme and blaming Manny for the failure of that fight with Floyd. But I am sure you will agree with me that if Manny did not raise any concerns about the blood sample then at least that would not have the issue to break the fight.

@Tell It

You can stay on your island with @Hardnox and the other Floyd fans. The facts speak loud and clear.

Every single thing you wrote in your statement was nothing more than an opinion formulated to support your belief that Floyd deserves the crown. There isn’t a lick of quotable, provable truth in anything you wrote.

Now who has the black eye? I use facts to form my beliefs, you use jealousy and hate.

…ryan

@Hardnox

Furthermore, Margarito wouldn’t have even been on my top 10 choices to replace Floyd, so shut the fvck up with your misguided presumptions that you know anything about anything.

…ryan

Ryan Dunn and all of you RIDICULOUS Pactards give a black eye to boxing. You give credence to a guy that drains and dehydrates opponents to suit his purpose, yet refuses to take a simple blood test a 5 year old little girl could do without issues.

All of you sad sapps worship a joke of a fighter that refuses any fighter in the WW division within the top 5, yet calls himself P4P #1.

Then you have the audacity to think the dwarf deserves a 50% split with Mayweather, when all that he has done is based upon an “Advantage” principle. Roach has made sure the dwarf has the advantage either in weight, or hydration or something, in every fight he’s had.

P4P #1 comes only with fighting the best baby!!!

In unrelated news (kind of), Bob Arum’s son John has gone missing in the Cascade Mountains. A search party is looking for him. They found his campsite, but he was not there, and appeared to not have been there for over a day.

…ryan

@Hardnox

I’m right here reading what you post while I have time between projects. I’m not hiding anything or anywhere.

Just say what you’re talking about. I’m not contradicting anything doggie.

…ryan

@Ryan Dunn,

Now you are pretending that you do not understand the Queens language. Very funny.

personally i wouldnt even waste my breathe responding to those idiots. especially the guy who copy and past the same list of fighter to every board. like he would do a better job promoting fight than professional promoters.

@Hardnox

Yet again you speak in riddles to avoid actually producing anything close to a fact to support your stance on anything.

A waste of time.

…ryan

Nox –

Hmm, if my argument was ridiculous, then what’s this about: “The point is Pacquiao’s feelings or whatever, had an influence on Arum.

To me, this debate we are having simply demonstrates Manny deserves to be criticised for this joke of a fight.”

He shouldn’t be fighting this fight, but blame Manny because of “feelings and whatever”? I understand it’s hard to rebut what I have to say after all the objective statements I made. Tough to beat credibility especially when I admit fault on top rank side.

we can just agree to disagree. blame him all you want.

@Chris williams. Pacquaios job is to fight. Freddie roach job is to train pacquaio for a fight. bob arums job is to sell the fight and boxing politics goes to the critics like yourself. I say good job on your part. Now let the other peeps do their job.

@Boxcar

Thanks. I truly tried to get more of Mayweather’s side in on it, but most of the mud slinging came from that side of the aisle. I made sure to include times where Arum hastily called a fight off.

Of course I did not include each and every move, but I believe I framed the evolution accurately, for any interested in reading…

liftingfaces.com/2010/09/pacquiaomayweather-the-road-to-nowhere/

…ryan

Good stuff Ryan… your case may be tinted a bit to support your argument. It sounds like you have Manny’s perspective down, but I dont know if Mayweather side will see it in the same light. However, those are all facts, so good job. I enjoyed reading it nontheless.

btw, I heard the RA interview and I thought it was hilarious how his knowledge of the sport dumbfounded Floyd. He later hung up like a little child.

@Ryan Dunn,

You are firing blunks.

@hardnox – i have no agenda to protect Manny’s side because I think Top Rank screwed up in many ways. Just to be clear, people here know me as a pacfan but that doesn’t take away my respect and admiration for Mayweather’s skills and my desire to see the megafight happen (and yes, I’m not entirely sold on the idea of Pac winning it).

That said, I do feel the need to voice out what I’ve observed to be pac’s personality and mitigate what you other fans are suggesting him to be as “dishonest”. I don’t want him to fight Margarito as much as you do, but for you to go as far as villfying him for “keeping quiet” and holding him responsible for it, that’s a bit of a stretch.

Then again your premise is the blood testing to which we disagree. Well, I still haven’t heard why demanding it in the first place would be justified outside of regulation, and how you expect top rank to sit on their asses and say “ok, we’ll accept your libelous statements and your ridiculous demands, fight on.” My question is, can you honestly say that the failure of the fight is ENTIRELY Pac camp’s fault? Or is this the fanatic talking?

I’m willing to meet you in the middle and say Top Rank has some or a lot of fault in the failure of the match, but buddy, you’ve got to me there too instead of throwing out some accusations on Pac’s honesty. And btw, it was “simplistic” v. sophisticated; not “simple” v. complicated. big difference.

@Hardnox

Manny does not choose the fighters, bro. Until recently, Manny has NEVER called out a fighter specifically by name, has he?

You are twisting things around your way, to support the actions and inactions of Mayweather. The guy was Mr. Yappity Yap last time around, and now he’s Mr. Vacation. His timing on hinting to Leach that he is in fact thinking very much about boxing flies in the face of that statement.

It’s all bullocks man. Not complicated whatsoever. Floyd seems to be negotiating his way out of the fight, and Manny is happy to make money and wait for Floyd, whenever the dude is ready.

Do I support the choice of Margarito? No. But Manny is allowed to morally forgive the dude if he wants to. Whatever bad blood boils between GBP and TR is a separate issue, and I believe it is what is preventing some other matches from being made.

Don King and Arum on the other hand have and can work together, so start looking for King Promotions fighters for Manny, as it’s more likely to find someone from that stable.

…ryan

@Mr. Objective,

It doesn’t have to be complicated. You and Ryan want it to be complicated because you don’t want to deal with the truth.

It’s Manny’s “taking blood sample makes me weak” excuse that stopped the fight with Floyd. This clearly shows that if Manny voices his concerns then Arum will listen and take it into account (even at a risk of losing millions of dollars).

In this case where he’s essentially paying a cheater his biggest pay day of his life, but also going for an easy win and virtually a free belt at a catchweight, he stays quiet.

This just shows that Manny is not honest.

Ryan Dunn

Thanks. I’ll check it out!

@hardnox – that’s a bit simplistic don’t you think?

if you were in pacquaio’s shoes and your potential $40 mil opponent comes in and makes libelous statements against your success and then rubs it in by demanding testing that has never been implemented by any regulatory body, I would imagine that everyone in your camp would be infuriated. Your personal fury notwithstanding, Arum does the negotiations, Arum takes things personally and he calls the shots. It happened in the negotiations and it always happens when opponents are chosen even if they are two totally different subjects.

It’s not as simple as oh, pac will put his foot down when he feels like it. give yourself a bit more credit than that line of argumentation. a bit of a misrepresentation. Two different issues, but even just to give you the benefit of the doubt, … if negotiations (with libelous implications) and a choice of fighter could be analyzed on the same level, it’s still Arum calling the shots.

@Fighter and .com

You guys are going to see what you want to see. It’s a waste of my life to try and justify my opinions to the likes of you.

It seems apparent which side is the one who is dancing around the issue, and it’s the same one who dances around inside the ring.

My comment about building hospitals was also intended to be sarcastic, but like I said, you’ll see what you want to see. Keep on keeping on.

@FLA, Taylor, Objective, etc.

Here’s my timeline. Again, it’s thorough…

liftingfaces.com/2010/09/pacquiaomayweather-the-road-to-nowhere/

…ryan

that is true, floyd does alot of good and positive things within the community for poor and under priviledge kids, but the media does not want to show the good of him, remember controversy, death and destruction sells newspapers, not good deeds. The sports world make more money by character assination of floyd than they would if they showed and highlighted the beautiful things he is doing for those less fortunate.

And did Floyd studder when he said there was no negotiating blood? Or do you have difficulty reading or suffer from forgetfulness?

The day Manny Pacquiao agrees to FULL, COMPREHENSIVE, COMPLETE, “RANDOM” BLOOD TESTING UP TO THE DAY OF THE FIGHT, THIS FIGHT WILL BE MADE.

Anything short of that, tell your little midget to go fight:

1) Mosely
2) Berto
3) Martinez
4) JMM III
5) Williams

Now…did I studder? And let’s see which earns the most and which one boasts the most PPV buys…

Still not studdering!!!

still not getting through

@FLA

My timeline goes back to September of 2007, so I think it is quite thorough.

It is also long-winded, so be warned.

…ryan

Ryan

I’m interested to see the time line as well.

@Taylor and Objective

I actually wrote a very lengthy timeline of the negotiations between these two guys, to demystify some truths and rumors that have spun out of control ever since.

But I required direct quotes from some competing websites in order to make my case, and that was not allowed on here, unfortunately.

So I’m about to post this article on my own website. I will give you the details when it is ready.

…ryan

my post is not getting through.

@Ryan Dunn,

I assume you did not see my reply to Mr Objective so I will repost it (excuse me)

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@Mr. Objective,

But this is the point I am making.

If you following this blood testing argument, then clearly Manny did put his foot down (despite the financial consequences).

On the other hand you guys are saying he just fights whoever is put in front of him, and has no real voice.

So which is it?

Ryan

Why did you stop posting articles? Your article used to be ones I enjoyed reading. Unbiased and you backup your opinion with good hard facts. Also, none of these current writer have the audacity to defend their article in the comment box like you did.

Make example for these dav lahr jason kim and chis will…

@hardnox – there have been way too many debates about the drug testing and who is ducking who. it’ll be a waste to belabor that point, but obviously you’re aware that equally strong, if not stronger arguments lie on the other side such as floyd’s sudden demand of blood tests on this opponent alone guaranteed a cop out on his end and strategically make pac look like the ducker. Or the fact that pacquiao called him out after their last matches and met his original demands for blood testing yet there was total silence coming from May.

Sure, you can rebut that. We all know the arguments. All I’m saying is, even if as a Pacfan I wanted him to just take the test despite me being against such a private, unilateral imposition as a matter of policy, you have to admit… the Floyd camp hasn’t done a great PR job themselves. Slanderous statements by his relatives? An utter denial of negotiations ever taking place? Saying that he just wants to rest and not fight right now?

I mean that last one…don’t even get the casual fan started with that. We’re all bhing about the lack of a megafight and now floyd fans are going to blindly defend his offputting stance that he doesn’t feel like thinking about fighting right now?

I know where Top Rank is messing things up, but I wonder if Pachaters/Mayweather fans can actually concede to the mess that lies on the other side. if not all pacfans are “pactards”, i’d like to see that apply both ways.

- objective

@Mr. Objective,

But this is the point I am making.

If you following this blood testing argument, then clearly Manny did put his foot down (despite the financial consequences).

On the other hand you guys are saying he just fights whoever is put in front of him, and has no real voice.

So which is it?

@Ryan Dunn,

Calm down.

You can whatever you want about what could have gone on in the background or whatever, but for everyone else (including the Pac fans) it’s the blood samples that did it.

Manny clearly has a voice, just admit it.

@Hardnox

Can someone get bumpy knuckles over here a hooker? Not too expensive. He’s quite pent up and throwing wild accusations around without a single attempt at founding any of his radical claims.

Face the facts. Floyd made this fight as hard to negotiate with Arum as possible. He faked a bunch of agreements, including a 50/50 split, then dropped a new clause, rigorous drug testing. Why? Just because he felt like it. Time to clean up the sport. No wait, it’s because he wants an even playing field. No wait, it’s because Manny is on drugs. No wait…

I’m done waiting. Floyd had every opportunity to close the deal in December. Just keep this lame drug BS out of it, take his issues up with the commission, and collect some paychecks.

But he didn’t. He was afraid then, to lose his zero, and he’s afraid now. Mr. I’m on vacation, oh wait, Manny found another guy? Okay, I’m off vacation now.

Mr. “When you ask Manny if he wants to fight Mayweather, he says talk to my Promoters” Maywether. Well, Manny’s called you out, where are you now? Looking at the deserts across the globe to find some other non-competitive opponent whose name doesn’t rhyme with Danny Smack Yeow?

Good, have fun. But know that you’re deluding your own fans, and depriving everyone else of a potentially legendary fight.

…ryan

@Ryan Dunn,

You are Pathetic. You’ve found yourself in a corner, instead of admitting that Manny may actually have a voice on these issues, you choose to run and hide.

@Hardnox

Your hate of Pacquiao is inspiring, unfounded, and hysterical. I’m going to post this from another article, because you just set yourself up as the Floyd Sheeple I was afraid you were by saying Manny single-handedly did anything of the sort…

To the dipsh\ts out there who keep saying the first negotiations failed because of drug testing.

No, they didn’t.

They failed because Floyd put in the drug testing clause. If Floyd really wanted the fight, and it was about to fall through, he should have dropped the demand or agreed to whatever compromise Manny agreed to (full random urine and a blood cut off date).

The fact that we’re trivializing a clause invented by Floyd and then blaming his opponent for not agreeing to it 100% goes to show that people don’t understand what the word negotiation means.

If it was a red herring, meaning a decoy condition, then it doesn’t matter how many OTHER things Floyd agreed to. In fact, it makes it suspicious how swiftly he agreed to all of the other “minor” things like “money”, doesn’t it?

Open your eyes people, it’s not all black and white, as many seem to think.

…ryan

Lol, because Angulo would KILL him!.

It has to be damaged goods or coming off of a really bad performance or loss to be elegigible for the paper chump.

@wowzabean
“Pac fights whoever is in front of him”
unless he is required to have random blood trests done, or talented, or a top contender of a division, or not with top rank, or relevant to the sport.

Ryan Dunn says:

(you said)”So you’re agreeing that Manny is better now than when he rematched JMM. That’s all I was wanting to understand.

It means he would logically fare better against JMM in a three-peat, and it means that he would do better against Floyd than JMM did, I would assume?”

Of course I think he’s better and of course I think he would do better in a rematch. I have said I pick Pac to beat JMM in a thrid fight. I also said it makes more sense than Margarito because we Pac JMM has history and it would sell. Margarito Cotto have history and that is the fight we should see.

As for Pac doing better than JMM. Most likely. But style make fights and Pac’s style suite Mayweather. Advantage is that he’s a southpaw. A southpaw with a lithium batter that needs no chrage even in a 14 round bout.

Ryan Dunn

It surprised me too. Its not that ALL of them picked Pac. Most do because they say Floyd makes them look bad or they hate his attitude and arrogance. Most of it is non boxing related. Some like you said clearly go off picking Floyd to win because of his style.

This is why I personally choose him to win and its hard for me to say otherwise because styles make fights and Pac hasn’t given me a style to compare to to change my mind. Until he does I’m declined to think otherwise.

FLA,

You’re entitled to your opinion but know that I never said Pac was stupid. Wrong inference.

What I’m telling you is that it is unfathomable that he say no to Arum. Have you seen the two have a conversation? Considering another, delicate angle, have you seen a foreign promoter or interviewer for that matter deal with a Filipino professional athlete who is an ESL speaker? Manny’s softspoken and quiet; he’s unassuming and that is consistent with his culture. Add that to all the elements Ryan D just posted such as gratitude towards the man that made him a fortune, then you’ll see that there it’s not likely pacquiao assert himself in the way you suggest. It’s not a question of stupidity. It’s all about the personality of their arrangement. That’s how the business arrangement works, and I guarantee Arum does at least 90% of the talking.

Also, Pacquiao’s promoting arrangements differ from Mayweather. Mayweather framed his own promotional business so he can call the shots. Pacquiao has never enjoyed similar leeway. The guy just wants to play basketball during his free time and lets Top Rank run the show.

Have you watched interviews of Pacquaio by media? Questions are framed in such a way that the interviewer generally brings up the potential opponent, to which he responds “sure, I’ll fight him.” That’s pretty much how an Arum-Pac conversation would go, except that the guy “asking” the question has an ascendancy over pac due to the millions he helped generate.

Ryan Dunn

Hey I agree with that but let me clarify the not looking good vs JMM. What I meant was Pac didn’t do to JMM what he did to Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, and soon to be Margarito. That was all. I didn’t mean he didn’t look good at all. The fight was GREAT! Both of them where! Yes I think he improved which helped him do what he did to hoya hatton etc but Pac hasn’t proven this by selecting to fight that certain styled fighter. Styles make fights. You know that.

About Floyd and Pac, yes weight wise and according to people now yes they are the same size. As them being WW they are in the exact same weight class with one being taller with a longer reach. This will be exploited as a mismatch if they ever fought and if Floyd where to win. Pac’s at a win win no matter who or how he fights. That’s what I don’t understand. I like when he wins but I don’t like how he wins when its titles at catchweights or fights vs nobodies etc. I expect the best to fight the best. Including Mayweather. I have always said he’s avoiding Pwill BUT would love to see him fight Martinez more than anyone.

@FLA

I would be surprised to find that most African-Americans pick Pacquiao over Mayweather. I find that many black boxing fans have a keen appreciation for Floyd’s technical skills, and get behind him for being confident, flashy, tied into the culture, and yet still someone who gives back to the community. He’s a half-role model anyway, hahahah.

…ryan

@Nick, you make some good points. I lit into you like a prisoner on a $20 hooker. Sorry about that man.

Martinez will be a great fight for either Pacquiao or Mayweather. The height and reach advantage would work against the little fella and Martinez would take him out pretty quickly IMHO.

I want to see Martinez and Mayweather more than I want to see Mayweather vs. Pacquiao.

THe only reason I want to see Mayweather/Pacquiao is for Mayweather to shut these Pactards up for good.

May 2011!!!

@FLA

My misunderstanding. I guess I just have to respectfully disagree. How can Manny not have looked good vs. JMM? He knocked him down in the rematch clearly, even if it was a flash knockdown. He also had JMM hurt with a hook in the middle rounds, where JMM came walking forward wobbled before regrouping.

Manny has improved since that fight, as well, and to my eye looks to be MORE effective at WW. He’s effective at LWW, too, and you could make a case that he might even be a natural LWW.

But the money’s at WW. Remember, he would rehydrate to heavier than LWW for most of his post-Barrera career. His last five fight night unofficial weigh-ins are as follows:

Clottey – 149
Cotto – 149
Hatton – 148
ODLH – 149
D. Diaz – 147

It’s clear to me that Manny is a legitimate WW now, and more skilled than when he fought JMM II. Let’s look at Floyd’s fight night weights…

Mosley – (refused, rumored under 150)
JMM – (refused, rumored over 150)
Hatton – 148
ODLH – (refused, rumored under 150)
Baldomir – 149

It’s clear to me, despite not having all of the data, that Floyd and Manny are basically the same size when they step into the ring. It’s a game fight, there are height and/or reach advantages for Floyd, but there are plenty of intangibles on both sides to push this fight into the 3M buys market, no doubt.

…ryan

If you dont want to watch pac vs cheto, you dont want also to see pac vs floyd.

I agree with you Jordan.. F.LA always has an agenda. He isn’t the neutral person he claims to be. I won’t be a bit surprise if he is Chrissy William posting on his own article in disguise

Go Margarito! Take down the fan favorite and beat the odds. I’m betting against odd in your favor because I want to be rich. Make me rich!

Battle of the nerds. lol

Hey I’m Mexican and I made an assumption like most people do on here. So why can’t I assume you are black? Most Islanders are routining for Pacquaio and Black are routing for Mayweather. Fair enough.

Yeah, welfare was a low blow. Picked up something in the hood.

@F.L.A-We-Don’t-Play

SO NOW YOURE NEUTRAL? LOL!

This article does not tell the whole story. Chrissy Williams stole the comment from boxing.fanhouse and only shared half of the comment to make his case for Floyd’s fan.

Go to tell Chrissy

@F.L.A-We-Don’t-Play

WHY YOU KEEP DEFENDING DUDE? DID YOU HEAR FLOYD IS ON VACATION? MOSLEY IS ALL YOU’VE GOT OR JMM? BECAUSE THOSE TWO BEAT BY FLOYD? LOL! DUDE, LOOK AT THERE AGE..

F.LA is a typical black guy routing for his color. Traded his welfare money for money to pay the internet. His only job in life is to defend his idol. I wonder how many Mayweather Jr pencil he stuck up his a55 for pleasure.

You guys are too harsh on F.LA… he’s just a fan. Let him have his opinions. It’s only an opinion.

let’s get it on

How do you know for a fact Floyd “avoided” Pac? Where we know Pac has avoided JMM for a third time and openly, loudly and proudly avoided Mosley. We know Arum “selects” Pac’s opponents and we know Arum has an agenda for his stable.

We know that Floyd accepted all of Pac’s terms earlier this year but Pac wanted to fight in a court room rather than a ring. Floyd wanted to go on “vacation” the second round. It’s fair to say that BOTH have walked away once. Whats worse Floyd only fighting once a year or Pac having hurt feelings and went to fight in court?

@F.L.A-We-Don’t-Play

PACMAN DONT HAVE THAT SKILLS YOU’VE SAID AND THE SIZE TO BEAT FLOYD, SO WHY FLOYD AVOIDED PACMAN? WITH THOSE DEMANDS AND THOSE REASONS THAT HE’S NOT THINKING ABOUT BOXING AND ETC.?

@.com

Who the fvck are you and wtf are you talking about? What do you know about me? At least you know my real name, so who’s the coward here? I’m trying to have a intelligible debate with level-headed people, then morons like you come along making accusations about lacing up boxing gloves.

For the record, that’s one of the most cliché, moronic lines you can put out there. So I have to be a professional boxer to have an opinion on the sport? That sucks for sports fans around the world, eh?

And for your information, I boxed recreationally through high-school in two different buddies’ basements. I wrestled and played football from 7th grade until 11th, when I became injured and pursued a career in the arts instead.

Now go away or bring something meaningful to the conversation, herb.

…ryan

Yup, he pops pills… says who?

” i believe manny knows that he cant beat me without his pills “

pacuiao is a midget philipino steriod takin ladyboy lovin sissy hidin under his mother freddie roach the biggest drug dealer in boxin historys skirt

Margarito knew all about it. How can he not, it’s like foot away from his nose.? I think he has served his time away from boxing, and hopefully knows better. This upcoming fight should be a treat for boxing fan. Margarito has never been a quitter, much like Cotto. The doctor or refree will have to jump in to stop the fight. I don’t see Margarito pulling an Oscar move by just giving up in a fight.

@FLA

YOU SAID: “Which is a worse a guy who fights whoever his promoter/money protector wants him to fight or a guy that can clearly make or break a fight for himself?”

Both have their advantages depending on who you’re asking. Floyd, by being his own man, makes higher margins on each fight, but as his own promoter he shoders more responsibility then for making a fight, or not.

Regarding the threat, the world disagrees with your sentiment that Oacquiao stands as little chance against Floyd as JMM did. Isn’t it clear to a boxing fan like yourself that Manny has adjusted MUCH better to WW than JMM ever will?

Manny is a hard-hitting southpaw with a ton of power at WW whether you believe it or not. He made ODLH quit on his stool and Bayless stop the slaughter of Cotto out of mercy. He handled Hatton with such authority that it looked like Arthur Abraham beating up Nonito Donaire.

And regarding agendas, of course we can’t know for certain what ANYONES agenda truly is. But I do know that Manny called out Floyd, just like Floyd said Manny wouldn’t do, just like Floyd said was all he had to do to get a fight, yet here we are.

If Arum and co. avoid certain styles, why on earth would they have given JMM a rematch? I think more than anything Arum chooses fighters that show off Mannys style and excitement. But I do not believe they would avoid the biggest payday in the known universe simply because Floyd is a defensive counterpunching mastermind.

My two cents.

…ryan

Mosley should have left Goldenboy if they weren’t giving him opportunities. It’s weird how long Mosley and Floyd been in the same group, yet they recently fought after Mosley turned 38 going on 39.

@Tell It Like It Is: YOU ARE A TOTAL IDIOT!! Why would the #1 P4P fighter bow down to the #2 P4P fighter? Who is Mayweather anyway? 41 and 0 has been done before so STFU!!

Anyone else think Floyd and his fans are jealous?

In October 2007, Pacquiao defeated by unanimous decision boxing legend Marco Antonio Barrera, who, at the time, was promoted by and a part owner of Golden Boy;

In March 2008, Pacquiao defeated Juan Manuel Marquez, another boxing legend promoted by Golden Boy;

In December 2008, Pacquiao scored a lop-sided knockout victory over Golden Boy founder Dela Hoya forcing him into retirement; and

In May 2009, Pacquiao scored an easy second-round knockout victory over Ricky Hatton, another fighter promoted by Golden Boy.

Angry at Pacquiao and jealous of his accomplishments, Schaefer, De la Hoya and the Mayweathers (Floyd Sr., Jr. and uncle Roger) conspired to destroy Pacquiao’s reputation and questioned the legitimacy of his victories over Golden Boy’s fighters, his professional achievements and his legacy as one of the greatest boxers of all time.

The reason why Mayweather and Pacquiao are considered the best right now is because they havn’t been schooled by Sergio Martinez. Sergio Martinez is a hybrid of Mayweather, Pacquiao and Roy Jones. This is what I hate about this sport, when your that good, everyone avoids you.

Another hey say she say article by chrissy william. Hey where is the source? When did manny say this and that? Who hasn’t said it?

Ohh Crissy William, you make my day lol

@FLA

Arum didn’t want to pay Floyd $20M guarantee to fight ODLH. There’s a difference. I have no problem when a fighter goes on his own. I encourage that entrepreneurial spirit.

However, most boxers go on the advice of their promoters, for they are the ones who tale kids from the slims and put suitcases filled with cash on their tables. I’m not saying it’s not crooked in many cases but it is what it is.

Manny is not as much of a business man. Arum presented two fighters. He chose one. Arum didn’t think the Bradleys or Alexanders were ready for the payday even if some saw them as more competitive.

And the jury is out on whether Floyd really wanted the fight back in December or not, but if he cones off vacation and puts a non-Pacquiao fight together, he will be 2 for 2 in booking some other fighter very shortly after Manny signs on with someone besides the one he wanted… Floyd.

The case for Floyds drug crusade will fall into dangerous suspicion.

…ryan

Margarito is no joke. He’s still very dangerous and Manny should fight as technical as possible. But i think this fight will e fixed just like the Pacquiao/Clottey fight was fixed. Bob Arum gives these b class fighters a chance to make money in a PPV fight with Pacman on a condition that they throw the fight.

you lost all my respect i really disapoint on you.shame

Ryan Dunn

You missed the point which was you can’t validate this fight and at the end of the day Pac signed to fight Margarito. He wasn’t FORCED to.

There’s no doubt in my mind that Floyd wanted the fight earlier this year when Pac chose to fight in court rather than a ring. The “alleged” second round was unsuccessful because Floyd went on “vacation” and said he didn’t want to fight anymore this year. Fare enough as we know he doesn’t normally fight more than once a year, but still his fault as we didn’t get the fight. So its even and BOTH have walked away. If Arum would have jumped through every hoop to make the fight like he did with Margarito we might have had ourselves a fight. Arum is a season vet promoter and knows to make fights for both guys as he’s done it before.

Remember now, Arum didn’t want Floyd to fight Hoya a few years back. So what did Floyd do? He left Arum on the corner and made the fight with Hoya himself. What makes you think Arum isn’t doing the same with Pac since Pac fights who ARUM chooses?

That makes more sense than calling an undefeated former P4P #1 a coward and/or scared. When we know for a FACT that team Pac has avoided fighters and Arum has an agenda for his stable.

2011, THE PERFECT YEAR:

May 2011: Pacquiao KO’s Mayweather. He is taken out of MGM Grand on a strecher. The next day it’s determined that Mayweather has brain damage, he retires.
June2011: Roger MAyweather senteced to 10 years in prison.
July 2011: Mayweather Sr. goes to prison.
December 2011: Mayweather goes bankrupt. He becomes desperate for money, wants rematch with Pacman. Pacman puts him in a wheel chair.

mayweather goes into his fights with a big advantage. it can be reach, size or age.

Both of them beat hatton, but for mayweather he had a big weight and reach advantage. Pacquio is similarly sized as hatton so naturally it wouldve been easier for hatton. Same goes for marquez.

@FLA

Get your facts straight. When given the choice of Cotto and Margarito, Manny said he’d rather fight Margarito. Manny didn’t pick Margarito out of the blue. Manny put out a challenge to Floyd even AFTER Margarito was selected, brazenly asking that Floyd not be a coward and take the fight.

There’s no doubt in my mind that Manny wants to fight Floyd. It would yield him more money, it would clear his name, it would give him a sense of vengeance for the slander imposed upon him by Mayweather and his team.

…ryan

Pacquiao will NEVER…EVER…fight a serious contender, as he waits and hopes for the “MOTHER LOAD OF PAYDAYS” WITH Floyd Mayweather Jr. The fighter that fights for his fans, all of a sudden is fighting and hoping for money.

Eventually he will meet Floyd in the ring. I know he will probably get the biggest payday of his career with a 40% share of the purse. I don’t think he deservess any more than 25%

BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH CHEATERS
ONE PLATICS THE OTHERSTEROIDS

hahaha this writer is an asslicker of mayweather. You’re only good in in licking ASS hehehe

CHRIS WILLIAMS, THE ULTIMATE LIAR, AND SPIN MONGER. YOU THINKS FANS ARE IDIOTS RIGHT? ITS EITHER YOU ARE A COMPLETE MORON, WHICH I THINK YOU ARE OR YOU HAVE A READING COMPREHENSION PROBLEM. THAT’S NOT WHAT MANNY SAID IN COMPLETE DETAILS, SO STOP KISSING FLOYD’S BUTT FOR ONCE. THE BROWN SPOTS ARE SHOWING IN YOUR RETARDED FACE. PAUL WLLIAMS, YOU MUST BE AN IDIOT! WHY DON’T YOU FIGHT PAUL WILLIAMS, AND TELL US HOW IT FEELS ! WHAT A MORON!

This Chris Williams needs too get off pacquiaos d**** it’s just so funny how all these mayweather fanns want too discredit pacquiao, yet are ignorant too floyds flaws and mistakes he has made. Floyds record is just as questionable as pacquiaos, but more than his records, what’s more questionable is the fights that aren’t on floyds record beacuse the coward retired instead of facing the competition. Like I’ve always said, I’m Mexican and I’m a Mexican fighter fann, that’s who I root for, so I’m nit defending pacquiao I respect him like I respect Floyd in the ring as men, but both have big ? marks over there head, and lately I only see pacquiao getting nailed for taking on Margarito, when Floyd is talking about possible retirement after he just came back from retirement!!! And his words ” not interested in boxing right now” right now when the only people left too fight are pacquiao, Paul Williams, Sergio Martinez , Andre berto. Just like he was not interested in boxing when he first retired when the only people left too fight was undefeated Miguel cotto, sugar Shane, Antonio Margarito, instead Floyd retires and says ” there’s no one left for me too fight”. Atleast pacquiao stays active and fights, and dosent talk that retirement s**** just too avoid opponents. Check ur self mayweather fanns and chris Williams. Ur boy is very very questionable

MBA

This is no different than Mayweather Hatton, Pac Hatton
Mayweather destroyed Hatton and Pac got the left overs

and

Margarito Cotto, Pac Cotto
Margarito destroyed Cotto and Pac got the left overs

and

Mosley Margarito, Pac Margarito
Mosley destroyed and EXPOSED Margarito for what he TRULY is/was and Pac’s getting the left overs.

Pac will have Margarito out before 10. Margarito is the slowest fighter Pac has ever fought. He lost his power/plaster, has no movement and more importantly has no speed. He hasn’t looked good in the ring in over 2 years and didn’t even look good beating a no named journeyman in Mexico. This is a safe, in house, made to look good fight for Pac. Arum’s just hoping the PPV will compete with Mayweather’s

Again this fight will really make Pac look good. But we all know Mosley was the man that did it first! Just like Floyd took the pride from Hatton and took his “0″. He mentally destroyed him to the fact he ran back to the Mayweather’s to learn how to “box”. Punch drunk is what that’s called.

Nah, I am smard.

I can speak Tagacat.

Waka Paka Dingdong Donkey Donkey Adobo bobo bobo Take a tourist Hostage Let the Flips Go Shoot the Hostage Boo Roo Moo Moo Catchweight Catchweight Shooby Doo Wop!!

That’s Tagacat in case you didn’t know.

That’s what Flips speak.

Tagacat.

LOL, this Flip is dumber than a bag of rocks.

So he admits he believes Plasterito loaded his wraps.

So apparently Phagiao is okay with rewarding a known cheat with a big payday AND since he believes Plasterito loaded his wraps, his impressive victories before getting caught were due to plaster, not power. AKA Phagiao knows Plasterito is not a threat without his doctored wraps (AKA look at how he did after getting caught: gets KTFO by Shane, looks like garbage against Garcia, a journeyman).

Man, no wonder this Flip managed to get himself into a situation where he has to pay two promoters out of each of his purses.

God, Flips are stupid.

So if Floyd manned up Manny wouldn’t fight him? If YOU follow Roach, you would know Pac said he wanted to fight Margarito a long f*ckn time ago. Pac fights whoever he is set up with, period. You want someone to blame? Blame Arum and the Texas Athletic commission for giving this guy his license back.

Plus hoping people will buy the fight? Pac is one of the top PPV attractions retard, this fight does close to a million buys, easy.