Pacquiao-Margarito: Manny goes after another paper title

windy

Well I don’t think Pac should have ever been mentioned as an opponent for Margarito. EVERYONE should be screaming for a Cotto Margarito rematch. That IMO would sell and do VERY well. Cotto hasn’t looked to good and neither has Margarito. If Cotto won that would be redemption. If Margarito won then one could talk Margarito and Pac or anyone else for that matter.

Pac should be looking at Martinez if he wants to fight at 154. If he wants to fight at 147 he should be talking to if not Mayweather, then Berto, Mosley, Bradley at the very least. If he doesn’t want to fight ANY of them at the MAX 147 then he should fight JMM at 140 (catch MAX weight fight night) or Alexander at 140. Plenty of options that Pac/Arum are jumping through hoops to avoid. This is not tolerated in today’s boxing as everyone cries for EVERYONE else to fight the best. Pac has skipped out twice now and even when fighting the “best” or ELITE he wants to have all advantages by making the fight a catch to his advantage as Freddie Roach likes to explain.

But I feel ya. I like Pac and I want to see someone give him a challenge. Plenty of fighters are out there that are being avoided. Openly avoided, loudly avoided, proudly avoided as if avoiding fighters is a fad or something. It’s pitiful for the FOTD, congressman, P4P #1 to be doing.

@F L A sorry pal i did realise it had come across that way.i not making any excuses for him, another fight id like to sometime soon, what i meant was leave the best one till last.once he gets marg out of road. maybe berto or chavez,martinez,william,mayweather and then marquez . if it was up tp me and i was booking fights thats the order id like to see over next 3 ish years then he could retire , when and if pacman fights mayweather and marquez think will be 2 of the great fights and biggest box office draws for a while.because who ever your favourite is no boxing fan anywere would miss those 2 fights

windy

Pitiful justification. Especially trying to make an excuse for Pac not fighting Martinez. Pwill, that’s understandable but if he can make 147, whats the problem? The best fight the best right? At least I would think we would expect the congressman to uphold the standards of boxing right? Or is Pac the new Mayweather?

Tell me, what has Margarito done in the ring in the past 2 years that makes him so relevant in the sport of boxing to deserve this fight?

-Being a member of Top Rank won’t cut it.

-Being destroyed by an “old” “too good” Mosley won’t cut it.

-”Beating” a nobody in Mexico for a tune up while looking horribly old, washed up and weak wont cut it?

-Getting his license renewed in Texas wont cut it either.

@akira.. alright bud i possed the resons why it is a legitimate fight, margerito is interim wbc jr middleweight holder,he is also rated no 1 according to wbc and wba. pacman is wbo welterweight super champion, which gives him the right to fight for belt at next weight up,rightly or wrongly this is not me saying this, this is WBO rules and reg’s my friend.

no title should ever be on the line at a catch weight. i agree with what was said in this artical about martinez. he was the lineal jr middle weight champion. margacheato isnt even a jr middle weight nor is manny, so im not sure what 2 welter weights are doing fighting for a jr middle weight title. maybe bradly, mosley or berto should just say there now a jr middle weight and challange the winner. infact there is a strong possibility that p willy will challange the winner. so im betting that belt will be vacated right away…who ever wins. anyway, im a huge mayweather fan and a bit of a manny hater(at the moment)but even i can tell you (along with any true boxing fan) that manny has beaten loads of true champions, some even being living legends in the sport. so you kind of killed the legitimacy of the artical with that comment.

kray

Thanks man. That’s not the one but much appreciate you looking it up. Maybe there isn’t one and that is in fact what I was thinking of and some how took the words out of context over the months. Who knows.

A buddy of mine keeps saying that Roach thinks Pac will easily beat Mayweather when in fact I have seen a few videos that has Roach stating that he respects Mayweather and only talks shyt to get under his skin. He talks how Mayweather’s style is great and very difficult and knows it wouldn’t be easy. Especially like he stated in the link of needing a 12 week camp for Pac to fight Mayweather. Anyway thanks again.

@kray, im not arguing marg is good for sport, boxing should be like olympic s cheeter banned for life . this is prob with 4 ruling bodies. i could see 1 bending to a little pressure but not 3, as for cotto fight had a good look through wbo rules and wbc rules couldnt find anything in there to say title fight couldnt take place at 145 , as long under 147 they not arsed,i cant coment about what pressure arum put on wbo nobody will ever know im afraid.as for wbo threatening to strip cotto, nearly every other line is them saying theyll strip any fighterwho doesnt do as they say, those are my words not a quote from there rule book. thats impression i came away with, .. diamond belt i think was suposed to be in reconision of two good champions from different weights meetingfor battle or something like that. bring back don king get rid of top rank, golden boy and the rest. at least we knew he was shady. just my opinion , think people from both sise on this message board should show both fighter a little bit resect they have earned it, i lve a bit banter but defermation of the two great boxers from the past decade

Sort it out Manny,because it will affect your standing in history.

@ jhon .come on mp came out of no where and beat barrera thats not hype.

@ KRAY

i generally agree with what you’ve said. especially when it comes to pac/moralas 2 and 3.

that being said, floyd didnt let corrales come in pound over the 130lb mark (note corrales is 6’1″) when corrales moved up to 135lb and said he could beat mayweather at 135 or 130. yeah coralles did say it off the cuff but he look visably drained come fight night and took an extra hour or so at the weigh in to even make weight!

but everyone forgets this, dont they!

so what you are saying is that mp vs am wont be an exciting .well since fm is not in the mix mp is going for a 8 th title can you blame a fighter for not taking it .look at roy jones vs john ruiez ,jones cherry picked .

kray

You have that link? I don’t know if that’s it or not but maybe I had it confused with another one. Too many damn articles of the SAME subject…..

@afro – We all know Floyd came in a couple of pounds above the C/W against JMM. He was wrong for that. He paid over 1/2 a million for committing that grave ‘atrocity’. And you, as well as many of your Pac fan brethren, continuously, remind us all of that grave ‘sin’ Floyd committed. But, there is NO excuse for a fighter of JMM’s caliber, landing 12% of 586 punches thrown….period. He was not weight drained. Blown up, yes. But, so is Manny. And?

Now, many Pac fans want to crucify Floyd for his TWO POUND infraction, but want to dismiss two pounds when it comes to Cotto being asked to lose it, for his title no less. Many want to dismiss two pounds as having no effect on an already faded Erik Morales, who ASKED Pac, if he could weigh in at 132, for their second fight, since he couldn’t effectively make 130 any longer. Pac answered that request with a $500 penalty for every pound over 130, as part of the proposal. I think the same was true for the third fight, as well. Now, they want to dismiss it again, in this Margarito situation.

If it weren’t for yet another title, I wouldn’t give a damn (I’d probably still have something to say though). But, they are buying these titles, essentially. All Pac has to do is show up and be Pac, to collect them. No climbing up the division ranks, being INVITED up for the title…nada….just Arum making a few phone calls and voila…Pac at 151, for the LMW title, against a fighter who just tried to bludgeon an ATG fighter, last year, in defense of his WBA WW title.

What’s next…Luis Resto vs Pac-Man for SSM’s vacant WBA WW strap?

@F.L.A-We-Don’t-Play: I am not the one putting names out for Pacquiao to fight you are. As far as comparision, I have repeatedly said both have done the same thing. I point out Mayweather because right after the Mosley fight, he called out Pacquiao and when Pacquiao answered the call, Mayweather was nowhere to be found. If you expect both to fight the best and one is not cooperating then this fight will never happen. Mayweather needs to come to the table which he has not done at all. My point is all Mayweather had to do is say something, but he chose not to bring all these coward allegation upon himself just like all the other allegations on him and the things he does and though that’s his business, he makes himself look like a fraud. Like I said again Mayweather is just as shady as any fighter out there.

Is ww is between 141-147? If you had a fight at 147, would you come in exactly at 147 knowing that there is a penalty? You bring up c/w again and yes back in the day Mayweather won without it, but that was back in the day. We are talking about the present and how he went about his business in cheating Marquez. YES, I am pointed that out again because I don’t see you criticizing Mayweather about that or the fact that Mayweather has not fought other fighters on “YOUR” so called slick fighters list. I capitalized “YOUR” because you wrote it on one of “YOUR” post. Let’s wait and see who Mayweathere will fight next, I bet you this, the name is not on YOUR LIST??? If Pacquiao is not on Mayweather’s skill level then it should be an easy fight for Mayweather, if Mayweather fights Pacquiao. I have been following your post and I see you doing alot of pointing at Pacquiao, from blood testing, catchweights and even opponants. Again why haven’t you criticized Mayweather on any of his doings?? If I have double standards then you have them too.

Bring back old blood bath bill what a fight credit to the act.

afro

You again compare Pac to Mayweather. Its contradicting and VERY unintelligent on your part especially when bash Mayweather. You took the bait too easily chief. You missed the entire point and chose to look at me pointing at Pac when I clearly pointed at BOTH Pac and Mayweather for the SAME things.

Its crazy how you can compare the two yet ONLY want to point your finger at Mayweather. You consistently want to talk about Mayweather’s adventures outside of the ring as if it has anything to do with what goes on in the ring. I expect Pac to fight the BEST as I do Mayweather.

Is Pac the new Mayweather?

kray

I agree but I don’t see Pac on the same level. He’s exciting but not on the same level. Freddie Roach knows this and that is where all the catchweight, advantages/disadvantages and just clearly avoiding fighters talk comes into play by him.

He knows the styles that Pac has A LOT of problems with. This is why we haven’t seen Pac face someone like Mayweather, JMM or Mosley. Let alone Martinez, Berto, Bradley, Alexander, or even Pwill. Slick, fast moving fighters with skills and MORE importantly SPEED. Bradley and Alexander being the less skilled of course BUT they all are more of a threat than Clottey and Margarito combined. When’s the last time we’ve seen Pac fight someone with speed?

There is a reason Arum and Roach haven’t let Pac face certain fighters with certain styles and skills. It’s clear as day and when its presented to “certain” fans of the sport they avoid this point of view like if it was a virus.

I like Pac all the way up until the JMM II fight. After that he has gone down hill to clearly wanting all the advantages, fighting for titles at catchweights, avoiding deserving fighters, avoiding the best, avoiding even the top 5 from 147-154. He’s clearly avoiding everyone. Isn’t this what everyone cries at Mayeather for? What happened to that agenda with Pac? The best fight the best? Man it got silent as hell on that topic when Pac was talking about fighting Clottey and Margarito. All you hear is well Mayweather this Mayweather that, Mayweather needs to pay his rent or not go on vacation etc etc etc. That has nothing to do with Pac avoiding EVERYONE else in the sport. All roads do not lead to Mayweather (as the haters liked to express). Well they need to stick by there word because not that the road to Mayweather is gone. What happened to the best fighting the best? It’s crazy.

Anyway skill wise, Mayweather is on a completely different level IMO. Just because Floyd didn’t fight Cotto, Margarito, Clottey a few years back who ALL are promoted by Floyd’s FORMER promoter doesn’t mean anything. When Floyd was at where Pac is at NOW, he didn’t fight Baldo or Judah in 2006 at a catchweight for a title. He didn’t fight Hoya at a catchweight for a title. When Floyd was P4P #1 and entered the 147 lb division 2006 he beat 2 out of the TOP 3 which means he has achieved more than Pac has (so far). If Pac where to fight Martinez than I would have a completely different opinion. But again, he avoided the best for lesser opposition. Just like he did when he “picked” to fight Diaz.

Anyway, those Top Rank fighters (Cotto, Margarito and Clottey) promoted by Arum would have done nothing for Mayweather’s legacy. All it would have done would expose all of them being that Cotto is a gloried Gatti and Margarito is nothing more than a more active Baldo IMO. Clottey wouldn’t be able to land a single shot and get countered all night to a very very boring conclusion. Floyd would have white washed all of them. Not KO them because that is not his style. He would have technically embarrassed them to a complete shut out.

Think of it his way, could Cotto, Margarito, Clottey, Pac (or ANY TOP RANK fighter) have beaten De La Hoya back in 2006-2007? Nobody in Top Rank was on Mayweather’s level then. No matter what road Floyd traveled the haters where always right there to take the opposite road and complain about choice. With those standards why isn’t this being done with Pac? Pac is exactly where Mayweather was but is doing even less and looking worse as time goes on…. I am a fan of his and its sicking seeing him fighting these horrible fights. I had hoped he would have done what Mayweather did a few years ago and left Arum on the curb.

@windy- It’s the intent (what I feel it was) not the result, that I take issue with as far as the Cotto C/W. See my response to afro, for more details. You mentioned the official weights of Manny and Cotto. I don’t think they revealed those. So, we don’t know how much they weighed on fight night. Cotto could’ve gone up to 154, as you mentioned. I doubt Manny was 145 in the ring, though. We don’t really know for sure. Correct me if I’m wrong about that.

@afro – Regarding C/W’s, I am aware of how the divisions are set up and what constitutes a WW fight, JMW fight, etc. However, the C/W vs Cotto, while legal, was UNWARRANTED, as Manny had just dominated a BIGGER fighter (ODLH) than Cotto, at the OFFICIAL weight. That being the case, I believe it was more of a tactical advantage to get him down below his natural fighting weight (which could affect both his strength and his stamina), than to even the playing field. To add insult to injury, he was forced to put up his title at that C/W.

Two fights later Manny is campaigning for another title, in another division, where he is asking that the division limit be moved down to suit his end. There should be no surprise that people’s eyebrows are raised this time. He is overplaying this hand.

As far as the Floyd rent scenario, I heard/read another side to the story, so I put that out there for you to consider. I’ve heard/read the side you mentioned too. How he manges his personal finances does not concern me. The discussion was about boxing.

If I were trying to be petty, I would’ve talked about Manny’s infidelity, how his sister was busted for running an illegal gambling ring (or something to that effect), etc. But, again, the discussion was about boxing.

@afro – Just because you don’t hear talk of a mandatory does not mean there’s not one available if Manny weren’t pursuing ‘other ventures’ and such.

As far as lineal titles and Manny having more than Floyd. I meant that that was not important to me or pertinent to the conversation. But, Baldomir was the more decorated between him and Margarito at the time, as he won the lineal and ring titles from zab judah

kray has just shut the mouths ov everyone with his knowledge of boxing.tell me paccycow fans do you know this much about boxing no i dont think so he has just proved you all wrong with what you have asked ov him lol lol lmfao

to everyone who says why should mannyfight for junior mid title seen mas he has nt had a fight in that weight. well mayweather faught for lghtweight title and super welterweight titles without having a fight in that weight devision

@Kray: no one has put up a mandatory opponant for Pacquiao? Why Maybe because he is fighting at least twice a year or very close to it, Mayweather is only fighting once a year. Mandatory defense are usually applied to those who are inactive for a year or so. I have more respect for Daniel Santos who at least came back after 16 months inactivity and fought in his own weight division. About C/Ws, let’s see, if the divisions are broken up right, it all should be 147, 154, 160 etc, etc, but it’s not and you know that. WW is from 141-147, Jr middleweight is from 148-154, why is that??? Can you answer that please. Any fight taking place in between those weight limit are considered WW, JR. MW amd MW, right? Meaningless title defenses??? How is it meaningless when a guy has been inactive for to long? What is Mayweather going to do, fight all tune up fights and lightweights? Funny how you don’t care about lineal titles, but yet you quickly mentioned it about Baldomir. Margarito’s work rate alone will out do Baldomir any day. If I read it right in one colume it read, the SLUGGISH Baldomir cased Mayweather all around the ring. Now about outselling Mayweather, If Mayweather was to fight Clottey, do you think it would have done better? LOL! about Mayweather’s rent, I really don’t give a flying you know what about that. You quickly defended that also like you know exactly what went on. Well, do you? From what I have read, Mayweather never responded to his landlord who was trying to obtain payment, so not telling your landlord that there are problems with the place and not paying is the solution for Mayweather?? Common man, we are all grown ups here….

@afro – Pac fighting more lineal champs means nothing to me. How many times has he defended those titles? Fighting more lineal champs, yet he can’t outsell Floyd against common opposition. Hmm…
I guess “legacy [really] don’t pay bills”.

@afro – Aside from a $8 million guarantee, what did Margarito have to offer, which justified Floyd, staying with Top Rank, taking him as an opponent over Baldomir, who not only offered a higher guarantee, but an HBO PPV date? Nothing.

Who had Margarito beaten? Was he a huge star? What was the appeal man? His higher KO %? What?

Baldomir had just come off two wins against popular (TV FRIENDLY) fighters, Zab Judah, upset of the year in 2006 (for the lineal title and ring title), and Arturo Gatti.

Margarito on the other hand, had just beaten Kermit Cintron, and Manuel Gomez. OK…And?

It’s a no-brainer. You seem to NEED to believe it was a choice based on FEAR, while everything points to it being simply the best opportunity, at that time. If Margarito was in Baldomir’s position, I believe Floyd would’ve fought him too.

In fact, ARUM SAID Floyd was, originally, OK with the Margarito offer, but, also wanted guarantees to fight Cotto, Hatton and ODLH…a four fight deal. That would’ve been enough for Arum to keep him at Top Rank, as he was contemplating opting out of his contract. This does not sound like a fighter who’s ducking Margarito, Cotto, etc.

But, Arum made lower offers on the guarantees for Cotto and Hatton, and said the ODLH fight was not a fight he wanted any part of, and Floyd should stop dreaming, asking for $20 million for it.

Tell me afro…what happened? Floyd took the shorter path to his desired goal AFTER he left Top Rank. He took the Baldomir fight, became the lineal champion, got ODLH’s attention and made that $20 million + PPV (ODLH had never before shared the PPV)…W/O Arum. Then, he folllows that up with a fight with Hatton (where he made another 20 million or so). These are the same two fights, he asked Arum to make for him. Yet, he went and made them himself, and for MORE money.

It wasn’t too long after that Arum started talking about Floyd ducking Margarito and Cotto. Now, why do you think he would do that? Because, Floyd went on to make PPV history W/O ARUM.

But, you can believe what you want.

@kray: Margarito almost doubles Baldomir’s ko % rating and is a work horse compared to Baldomir. Who is the easier fight?
Lineal champion or not, Mayweather took the easiest fight and who did Baldomir win his WW lineal championship from?? Speaking of, Chatchai Sasakul, Marco Antonio Barrera,
Juan Manuel Márquez and Ricky Hatton were all LiNEAL champs when Pacquiao fought them making Pacquiao a 4 time lineal champ compared to Mayweather’s 2.

Tell me the truth, If you were fighting at 147, would you come in at exactly 147. Hard to do so most fighters come in a pound or two lighter, right? So is 145 really a c/w considering WW is from 141 to 147? C/W has been around for decades and I can give you at least ten fights at c/w for titles if you’d like. Chavez/Whitaker was at a 145 c/w for a WW title. Jone’s Jr., ODH, Robinson and a bunch more. Even Mayweather was suppose to fight at a c/w, but cheated Marquez at the scales. You probably support that too like you support Mayweather not taking the belt from Mosley because sanctioning fees that Baldomir couldn’t pay , but is only chump change for Mayweather. When the truth is he does not want to do mandatory defenses of the belt. Mayweather could afford a thousand belt fees no problem. It must be some sort of sickness or disease that Mayweather has caught from somewhere because lately he just does not want to pay what he owes… IRS, SANCTIONING FEES and even RENT. LMAO!!

For you idiots I’d suggest you go to Dwyer on Youtube…his prediction on Danny Jacobs v Pirog soothsayer like and his prediction on Pac v Margo unequivocal and anticipated ppv sales clinically and factually analyzed…

You are just prejudiced against Pacman or filipinos, It maybe because political correctness at this time allows you at this time. Of course this is just my opinion. If you’re not interested in the fight, don’t watch it, just like me when I didn’t watch the Mayweather vs. Marquez fight because it was a farce. But I didn’t belittle anyone of them. In life, it is what it is, sometimes, Man.

@afro – Also, Baldomir hadn’t lost in about 9 years, before losing to Mayweather. It’s known that Baldomir was a part-time pro boxer earlier in his career, so, many of his losses came from his inablilty to train, due to having to work a job, etc. When he was able to focus on boxing, his fortunes turned around.

I’m not saying he was some world beater. But, he was not a complete bum either. Not to mention, he was the LINEAL Champion, at that time.

While Margarito’s biggest win was against Kermit Cintron, at that time, I think. He was a good up-and-coming fighter. But, he his achievements were not any greater than Baldomir’s, less even, at that time.

@afro – Let’s start with the “less money” thing. That is FALSE. He was offered $1 more of guaranteed money to fight Baldomir by another promotional company (Goosen-Tutor Promotions). Also, he was choosing between opting of his contract with Arum, and staying with Top Rank, as he wanted to position himself for a fight with ODLH…a fight he asked Arum to make for $20 mil, but, Arum told him no.

So, he opted out of the contract, and took the Baldomir deal. He was paying Arum 37%, while signed with Top Rank, as I recall. The fight was on HBO PPV. Most certainly, he got quite a bit of that PPV revenue plus the $8,000,001 dollars he was guaranteed, w/o paying a large percentage to another party, almost guarantees he made more money from going this route.

@kray: And Mayweather is turning down belts because of MANDATORY DEFENSES. Call it what you want, but it’s true. How can Mayweather pay Marquez 600k for coming in over the weight limit of a catchweight fight, but not want to pay half of that amount to hold a title?? Double standards???

@F.L.A-We-Don’t-Play: The best is trying to fight one of the best, but Mayweather don’t wanna PLAY, plain and simple. Why is he waiting so long for this fight to happen? Why after Pacquiao/Margarito is announce would Mayweather come up with he is also fighting soon and against who?? We all know that it is not against Pacquiao. What is Mayweather doing, fighting another tune up fight, Pacquiao has been calling him out forever and a day now?? Navy seal posted names of fighters he want Pacquiao to fight, but I bet you that none of those names are on Mayweather’s list. If Mayweather comes up with a BS name, he will never gain anyones respect. Like I said Mayweather avoided Margarito for years…

Pacman will fight Klitschko brothers for heavyweight title in a catch weight of 150lbs.

@afro – Check your history on the Margarito/Floyd thing. I won’t educate you on that today.

Anyway….the Cotto win over SSM, did not result in KO, did it? Did Cotto fear the older SSM enough to employ plaster of paris? NO. Cotto EDGED out SSM. It was a very close fight. A fight people still feel SSM won…not so, in the SSM v Marg fight. Not only that, FREDDIE ROACH rated Cotto SECOND to SSM in terms of threats at WW last year. Evidently, you don’t know that do you? Out of his own mouth, he said he SSM was “too good”, and that he didn’t feel Cotto was even the same fighter, after he was KO’d by Marg and struggling for a razor close decision vs Clottey (another fight many think Cotto LOST). Roach is saying Cotto would be an “easy” rematch, even with Steward in Cotto’s trainer, and what we saw Cotto do against Foreman (another man Manny didn’t want to fight). Do you hear Freddie saying SSM would be an EASY fight for Manny, given the beating Floyd gave him? NO.

Just admit, Margarito is a poor selection, on Manny’s part.

@kray: I see it’s the same old story with you. Mosley did beat Margarito and if you want to go that way, who beat Mosley?? That right Cotto, who was beaten by Pacquiao so get off this BS of yours. Mosley did not look the same in the Mayweather fight and if Mosley would have fought Pacquiao the way he fought Mayweather, you would see Mosley on the canvas. Why did Mayweather fight a lightweight instead of a B class welterweight? By the way, that fighter (Margarito) was avoided by Mayweather too with the “I’m a businessman excuse”, remember??? I bet you don’t huh??

weight drained

Is it this same Bert Sugar?

“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjZnc4sQKaY”

I for one is against the idea of staking the light middle title on the line for various reasons. But for his previous title fights, he deserves those title be it against the weakest of the title holders…The fact of the matter is, only Pacquiao had done what other great boxers failed to achieve. His fight with Marquez is debatable being a split decision. That it could have gone either way..If you saw it that way, still a lot others saw it the other way…I viewed and reviewed that fight and the fact of the matter was, the knockdown made the difference.

@kray

“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru3MZcNQ8SQ”

Sorry here it is again.

Arum= ringmaster

pacquiao= circus freak

all a circus show no better than WWE

@weight drained – Do me a favor, and post the link, like this. Just put it inside quotes.

“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxP-UfEboj0″

@weight drained – Which interview are you referring to exactly?

@Mark,

You just brushed aside five good boxers, are you saying there is no better match-up for Manny than Margarito?

Why doesn’t everyone think Weigh drained is an issue. Only people think this are FANS. The athletes dont think this is an issue at all. They are professional athletes with professional dieticians and trainers.

Do you really believe that a fighter that thinks his “DRAINED” will be willing to fight knowing he will lose? Ahhhh I dont think any fighter goes into a fight thinking his going to lose.

Right back at cha Tornado! Abide by your own words….

How many mismatches do we have to wade thru b4 the supposed fighter of the decade mans up? If he so good……….
Stop with the catchweights for titles
quit peds, take the RANDOM test
fight a NON weight drained fighter in his prime
Stop fighting only top rank bums
If you got all these “titles” , THEN DEFEND THEM A COUPLE TIMES!
STOP THE BS EXCUSES and fight!

@Kray, as you can tell, the media is already beginning to crucify Pacquiao for his less than stellar fight choices.

However; it’s about damn time! This “Catchweight” B.S. has gotten out of hand!

Great article.

@ANGELO, this is what you call wanting to give us a fight?

Why not Mosely?
Why not Berto?
Why not Martinez?
Why not JMM III?
Why Not Bradley?
Williams?

These would be giving us what we want!!!

as an avid boxing fans, WE are so hungry for a good fight to watch. Manny Pacquiao is being ridiculed and downgraded for trying to give us something to watch, while others are just sitting there doing nothing! … there’s a saying that says: IT’S BETTER TO TRY AND FAIL THAN TO NEVER TRY AT ALL!…..our world is so full of overwhelmingly intelligent people! .. PEACE!

I look at Pac as another GREAT ATHLETE that everyone loves or loves to hate. Thats when you know this person is great

The things people have to ask themselves is, If there’s no complaints about this fight, where would manny be in the G.O.A.T? And did his acheivements overcome the lights of honest great fighters. No complaints is why manny’s the P4P #1. No past complaints is the reason why we’re getting bs fights, and fighteers and promoters dont care if we like it or not because they still gonna make a mill or two. No complaint on pac vs margarito when shane clearly dominated him in 9rds “a 38yr old grandpa” of a shane mosley!!! no complaints people, please. No complaints for the two to fight for a vacant title when they are CLEARLY NOT THE BEST in the LMW division, No complaint to have a guy who still cant get his boxing license from the state that took it, no complaints!!!!. No complaints for a cheater who could’ve killed his partner in the ring, no complaint!!!!!. So I guess we ALL should not say anything and pay our money to a 90yr old guy that says “No free rides” to other fighters, ask yourself How did Bob arum started off? No complaints, just free rides huh, well wait on it because that sob wont get any money or nice words from me. to me he disrespected every fighter that can do some good 4 the sport and that’s why we cant get great fights or shall i say great hyped fights.

@Day C…Floyd Mayweather is a “PRIZE FIGHTER”, He fights once annually.

Manny Pacquiao is a “GRUNT” fighter that fights lesser opponents, but more often.

WHICH WOULD YOU PREFER?

@ Chris Williams.

Nag Nag Nag Complain complain complain about Pacquiao fights. Apparently nothing is ever good enough. Oh well no harm done.

Answer this though.

How do you like watching Mayweather sit on his @ss doing absolutely nothing..?

Something is better than nothing don’t you think?

C’mon 2 fights since 2007…!!! What are your comments on that?

@ Hardnox im a big boxing fan .. if i had pick one boxer to follow like a football team i wud have to pick Ricky hatton who i have payed to watch in person 5 times

or ryan rhodes who should be fighting manny pacquiao for the WBC instead of Margarito !!

so, are u American ? … dont worry i can tell who u will defend to the death if ur american =P

@john

Epo is seen through pee test that Pac said he will give unlimited amounts to.

Read my comment downlow

@Navy Seal

If Mayweather ain’t scared of Pac, then tell him to take it to the media and SHOW THE WORLD.

Even Pac said he doesn’t care if Floyd is on Roids or Xylo that he would still fight him.

@Wilson, If Manny agreed to the “Random” Blood demands, tell him to take it to the press and show the world!

Do you think Floyd will give Pacquiao the same deal he walked away from in January?

Of course you would like Mayweather to extend such charity.

NO SUCH CHARITY WILL BE GRANTED TO THE LITTLE FELLA.

Now its FULL, COMPREHENSIVE, “RANDOM” TESTING.

“No test…We don’t got no fight”. Floyd Mayweather…

OBLIGE…OR MOVE ON!!!

Like Kevin Lole of yahoo sports said, pac integrity has to be questioned here. pac had the power as a fighter and a congressman to say no, i will fight a man who tried to commit such a terrible crime, but pac did not stand up and take a stance against wrong doing. it does not matter if you are a pac fan or not, to stand up for right is a human thing, not a boxing thing. if you are a fan of boxing, there is no way you can support this fight. it has too many wrongs with it, and the biggest person benefiting from it is a man who was caught trying to commit possible murder in the boxing ring. the only people who can and will purchase this fight has to be of low moral character and have very little respect and regard for human life, because margo was full prepared to enter that boxing ring with loaded gloves and possibly kit and kill a great fighter in Shane Mosley. This fight is morally wrong and no amount of money or action can justify this wrong. Black, White, Filipino, Mexican, it does not matter, if you have morals and ethics and stand on principles you have to acknowledge that this fight is wrong and should not be happening and should not be supported..

@Chris Williams

But Pac is exciting. It doesn’t matter if he fights the best. “Contradictingly” speaking, we only EXPECT everyone else to fight the best.

As long as the fight is exciting nobody cares if he “avoids” the best. Nobody cares if its at “catchweight”, or he if he fights undeserving fighters, or clearly states that other fighters are just simply “too good”. Nobody cares that he’s afraid of blood, needles and testing. Nobody cares that we all sound contradicting by only demanding other fighters to fight the best. We don care. As long as Pac fights, makes it exciting, we don’t even care if the other guy is dead, alive, old, young, male or female. Just make it exciting. We don’t care. Man we are so contradicting by supporting Pac but we dont care because it’s “exciting” to see out matched opponents who dont deserve a shot get beaten. There big so its fair reguarless of the weight.

@Navy Seal

Wow who’s NAIVE now? Did any of my comments make any sense?
I base my comments on facts homeboy.

@Xylo, it doesn’t matter!!! Get it? Floyd Mayweather brought that into the negotiations the same as Manny brought the $10 Million Dollar per pound stipulation.

Agree to it….OR MOVE ON!!!

Mosely’s waiting for Pacquiao!!!
Martinez is waiting for Pacquiao!!!
Williams is waiting for Pacquiao!!!
Berto is waiting for Pacquiao!!!
Bradley is waiting for Pacquiao!!!

Pacquiao, if you want Mayweather…TAKE THE DAMN TEST OR MOVE ON!!!!

@nepe

NAIVE. Did anything I say make ANY sense to you? So has any of Pacs opponent complained about being WEIGHT DRAINED? That still doesn’t make any sense if they think they can’t regain speed or strenght to fight, then WHY WOULD THEY FIGHT.

Also this WHOLE drug test. IS all BS. Here are facts

Dr. Catlin has admitted hGH blood testing is not reliable (1 positive in six years). He imied that it was just as political as it was medical. Go look it up.
And the NSAC was presented with the case for invasive testing by USADA president Tygart, and all of the doctors concluded that blood carried more risk than reward.

All of that stuff is tested for by USADA and WADA in the urine. Manny agreed to urine, which means he CANNOT take:
- Anabolic Steroids
- Testosterone
- EPO
- Creatine
- Diuretics
- Andro
- Blood Doping
- Illegal supplements
- Pain killers
With what Manny agreed to, here is what he could SAFELY take, if the NanoTrap test was not in place yet:
- hGH
So you tell me, what is Manny hiding? A serious addiction to hGH? Even though it builds the wrong kind of muscle for athletes in high-endurance sports? Give me your logic, because I don’t see it.
I see a paranoid, superstitious Filipino boxer who doesn’t like blood draws, has said on video that he doesn’t like blood draws, and I also see an American fighter who shamelessly admits (as recently as the Mosley fight) that he LOVES to play mind games on his opponents, doing whatever it takes to get in their heads and get an advantage.
So you tell me, which side is harder to believe? Manny on some mystery drug besides hGH only detectable in the blood? Or Floyd playing games with his opponent?

@NAVY SEAL

DRAINING CATCH WEIGHTS? Man you must be that stupid if you think that.

Are these NOT PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES? DO THEY NOT HAVE PROFESSIONAL TRAINERS? DO THEY NOT TRAIN 6MONTHS BEFORE FIGHTS? If the people he fought didn’t think they could win because of “WEIGHT DRAIN” THEN WHY DID THEY FIGHT YOU IDIOT. I understand if they try to lose 10-15 lbs cause thats alot, but these fighters lose like 5 lbs. And why wouldn’t you want to even out the playing field? Pac is the “MIDGET” right?

@Xylo, he hasn’t done enough. He has work to do. Hyped fights at draining catchweights.

1) Mosely
2) Berto
3) Martinez
4) Bradley
5) Williams

Here’s your list. The little fella has work to do to prove he is worthy. Right now I would agree he is worthy of a 25% Split with FULL COMPREHENSICVE “RANDOM” BLOOD TESTING UP TO THE DAY OF THE FIGHT.

He is completely worthy of this.

@Navy Seal, I agree with you 100%. Manny Pacquiao is a GRUNT fighter. He is a far cry from a prize fighter that commands purses the same as Floyd Mayweather.

Floyd Mayweather cares little about belts and titles the way Manny Pacquiao pays to have and worship them even though they are worthless and meaningless.

@Xylo, and Pac hasn’t done enought to fight and share a purse with Mayweather. Pacquiao has work to do before he is worthy to step in the ring with Mayweather.

Aren’t you saying that about Mosely, Berto Bradley and Williams?

All five of the fighters I have mentioned will bounce Manny Pacquiao off of the canvass.

IF MOSELY IS SO OLD, WHY DO YOU THINK FREDDIE ROACH AVOIDS A FIGHT WITH HIM AT ALL COSTS? STYLES MAKE FIGHTS.

MOSELY WOULD CRUSH PACQUIAO!!! ABSOLUTLEY CRUSH HIM EARLY IN THE FIGHT!!!

ROACH KNOWS THIS…YOU HAVE A HARD TIME WITH IT!

Hey, fool
How much Oscar DeLHoya paid you for all those BS u are saying,
Are u a god?
U sounds like a loser and man with so much envy.
Lol

@DAWNY, i challenge you to produce proof, just a single proof that PACQUIAO uses drugs and don’t be stupid putting up your challenge.

hes fighting plastito because he knows they wont ask for a random drug test.

Mayweather said that win or loss we still have to pay and see him fight. Regardless of who he will be fighting really doesn’t matter but the question is, who is the opponent that will generate the most money he wants when he is ready to fight? The only answer is Pacquiao. So it doesn’t matter to him who Pacquiao is fighting now. What matter’s to him is how he can beat Pacquiao when the time comes to fight or Pacquiao really has the style to beat Mayweather? This is boxing…..nothing else.

ok. join the pac hate club.

The club was founded by Manuel Perez and Liam Santiago. After their resignations, Chris Williams is now the President,

Anyone is free to join the club. First, bang your head in the wall till blood drips and submit the video and clear photos showing your determination to join the elite club.

Why not Winner take all? Who ever wins qill get 60% of the purse? This will determine who the better warrior.easy right? Both are claiming to be the best and fight will not be for money only. @ least the y will both do their best as money will be seckndary and bragging rigths will be th primary

all these PACHATERS are always marathoning to discredit the little guy. what is FLOYD collecting, toilet papers? his ass is so scared that everytime he hears PACQUIAO’s name, his diarreah is badly oozing, and all his fans are in the move to clean it up. you are all stink.

Manny has 4 lineal championships more than any other boxer.

You guys are just jealous of mannys fame. Rid on it chris.

By the way, I have Floyd’s balls in my mouth while typing this

Oh well, the was I see it, at the end of the day the only people will bother pay to view them are their fans. So why do you all care so much about it? It’s not your hard earned money pacquaio and margarito fans are using? Let it be. It’s good for the economy.

Pacquaio has more respect towards dela hoya, cotto, and margarito as a fighter over mayweather. I don’t recall pacquaio asking catch weight bout to mayweather. Pacman wants him as is, no trimmings.

Pacfans, you don’t understand at all. Bob Arum has manipulated a complete population to believe the “HYPE” of what he has created with The little guys.

Mayweather doesn’t fear the little fella, he just refuses to give him a payday when he doesn’t deserve it. Your little guys wants a 50/50 split. Now that’s California Dreaming!

Manny Pacquiao, through his paper grabbing, bogus title fighting manipulations, has earned himself a healthy 25% share of a purse with Floyd Mayweather and an opportunity provided only with a FULL, COMPREHENSIVE, “RANDOM” DRUG TESTING PROGRAM that both fighters will participate in.

Not just the little fella, but Floyd Mayweather Jr. as well.

Agree to this, and May 2011 becomes reality!!!

Like Kevin Lole of yahoo sports said, pac integrity has to be questioned here. pac had the power as a fighter and a congressman to say no, i will fight a man who tried to commit such a terrible crime, but pac did not stand up and take a stance against wrong doing. it does not matter if you are a pac fan or not, to stand up for right is a human thing, not a boxing thing. if you are a fan of boxing, there is no way you can support this fight. it has too many wrongs with it, and the biggest person benefiting from it is a man who was caught trying to commit possible murder in the boxing ring. the only people who can and will purchase this fight has to be of low moral character and have very little respect and regard for human life, because margo was full prepared to enter that boxing ring with loaded gloves and possibly kit and kill a great fighter in Shane Mosley. This fight is morally wrong and no amount of money or action can justify this wrong. Black, White, Filipino, Mexican, it does not matter, if you have morals and ethics and stand on principles you have to acknowledge that this fight is wrong and should not be happening and should not be supported.

Good article

Obviously Chris Williams hates manny pacquiao, beacuse he just completley tried too degrade pacquiao too a looser. Chris Williams is surely black and a huge mayweather fann, he probably likes poping champaign on hoes and rapping in his basement about money. If not. He’s a white guy who is like many HBO Crew members and staff who just want too glorify American boxers. Everything the Americans do is right, if an American dosent want too fight they make excuses like ” he’s his own boss no one pushes him” if the American clearly looses the fight but is fighting on U.S soil they give him the win (Devon Alexander) if manny pacquiao is the biggest threat too their American super star and has accomplished more in boxing, they try and say he faught over the hill damage opponents and call him a ” paper champ” Chris Williams is the perfect example of an American bias writer. Horrible writer that is.

seems like every time a writer says something about pac, his fans over react. this guy is simply telling the truth, pac really hasn’t fought the best anybody at no weight really. sad, but it is true. and it also goes to show the power of the media, it is the media who has built pac up into being some great fighter only because insiders want and need somebody to beat Floyd, so they build up and hype the next guy. But I respect this writer for being honest.

i don’t think it’s a PAPER TITLE….

y do they give pakman a BELT w/ diamond in it….

paper title are deed of sale, land title, etc….

LOSERS……..

@ Chris Williams: I don’t care about that stuff. I just want the kid to fight over and over again. The kid is very entertaining. I say enjoy while he’s still around.
As for pacquiao being a paper title colector, I say good for him.

@ Navy Seal WTF ? what has floyds race gotta do with the price of fish ?

there is a flip side to that coin u just tossed … Mayweather has never fought a Filipino, Chinese, Janpanese la la la .. is that racist ? nobody can have a 41 fight career without fighting somebody from the far east lol … yeah u sound THAT stupid

Noone envy’s Pacquaio, nor do I think anyone dislikes Pacquiao. Most everyone wants to like and appreciate Pacquiao much the same as the Pinoys do. However to continuously watch the game be manipulated and punked bhen a “Greedy” promoter, and fans that simply don’t see or understand this phenomenon, is disheartening. Noone gets gift title fights when they have NEVER stepped foot in that division. Noone is considerd the best having never fought the very best.

And someone mentioned earlier, NONE had 56 Career fights and NEVER once faced an African American fighter. NOW THAT IS SOMS SUSPICIOUS MANIULATION!

Yet in spite of all of that, Arum, Roach, as well as Pacquiao feels they deserve a fight and payday with Floyd Mayweather!

NEWSFLASH: Bob Arum, Freddie Roach, and manny Pacquiao…you will have to earn that right…What you have earned is 25% and Full Random Blood Tesing in May 2011!!!

simply because every champion in each division is afraid to face him

if some people could forgive that smiley abnoy who killed 8 innocent tourists through incompetence, why not forgive margarito who had an incompetent trainer?

Having said that …
I fail to see how you can accuse a man with wins over:
Marco Antonio Barrera
Miguel Cotto
Erik Morrales
Oscar De La Hoya
Juan Marquez
Ricky Hatton
Jorge Solis
Of having never beat a legitimate champion.

my comment was deleted by a biased writer because the truth hurt

I pity this writer,he is to envious.Btw,have you read the article on George Foreman praising the Pac? tsk,tsk,tsk no wonder this CW will suffer a heart attack if he doesn’t slow down.

please watch cotto vs margarito…

He wants to fight the best welterweight(KFC) but he’s scared to fight Pacquiao…so what can you say???

ofcouse world title is nothing without fighting the best in the ring, Mayweather has the guts to keep on claiming that hes the best in the world, the best in the universe, the best in the galaxy but is nowhere to be found when chalenged by Manny to prove his claim. yeaaaaah baby!!!