Juan Manuel Marquez needs to fight Clottey if he wants a shot against Pacquiao
August 24th, 2010
By William Mackay: Bob Arum, the promoter for Manny Pacquiao, has said more than once that if Juan Manuel Marquez (51-5-1, 37 KO’s) wants a third fight against Pacquiao, Marquez needs to prove himself against a top welterweight like Joshua Clottey (35-4, 20 KO’s) or World Boxing Council welterweight champion Andre Berto. I think the key name here is Clottey. That’s probably who Arum is really hoping Marquez will fight next. Given that Arum promotes Clottey, I think that’s the fight that Marquez needs to take if he wants to try and fight Pacquiao one more time. Clottey needs a big name right now to try and get his career back on track after his poor showing against Pacquiao in March, and there’s probably not going to be anyone even slightly popular interested in fighting Clottey now.
But since Golden Boy promotes both Khan and Marquez, I think it’s a stupid fight. GBP will be building up one fighter while having the other one torn down. And the thing of it is, the Marquez-Pacquiao fight will be much huger than anything Khan will be doing in the near future. I think it’s a dumb move if they put Marquez in with Khan right now. I
f they want to build Khan’s name up, they need to do it the right way by matching him against the best top light welterweights in his division like Marcos Maidana, Devon Alexander, Timothy Bradley and Victor Ortiz, not by matching Khan up against smaller and older fighters like Marquez. That’s a cheap way of building up a fighter and it may not pay off if Khan isn’t good enough to beat those guys. All it would do is ruin the chances of Marquez fighting Pacquiao, and give Khan a temporary name for himself until he’s wiped out by Maidana, Bradley, Ortiz and Alexander.
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i dont understand why marquez has to earn a shot at any 1, hes a legend already
….but margarito can get KO to mosley and be caught cheating and gets a shot straight away?
Get Bob Arum out of this game before there are no fans left
Juanma must be finishing his law school or getting into a construction business.
He sure needs more money.
THERE’S NO SUCH WORD AS ” HUGER “, BUT MARQUEZ IS WAY TO SMALL, TOO WEAK, AND TOO OLD FOR MANNY TO FIGHT RIGHT NOW. THINK ABOUT IT, MARQUEZ CAN’T EVEN BEAT ANY OF THE TOP JR. WELTERWEIGHT, SO HOW CAN HE COMPETE AT WELTERWEIGHT. I’D LIKE TO HAVE MARQUEZ FIGHT CLOTTEY, AND SEE IF HE CAN TAKE JOSH’S PUNCHES IN THE FACE AND RIBS, THEN ARUM WILL TALK TO THE MIDGET.
clottey will destroy marquez at 147. please keep marquez away from clottey.
gbp should just sacrifice marquez against khan.
This fight could be entertaining.
And this is nothing but Arum trying to get ANYONE to fight Clottey after his pitiful performance.
@Pic…How is Pac’s current weight 157 when he’s fighting for the 154lb title at a catchweight??? No wonder the term “Pactard” is sticking. This is a prime example.
I can see right through Arum. He wants to make $, by puting his fighter, Clottey in against somebody who, frankly, does not need to stoop so low. Marquez is a great fighter. He would be much better served, if he would be the test for, yet another young buck. He dropped Diaz 2x, and is on a good streak here. He would be better served to fight Berto, or somebody of that nature. It’s a win/win for everybody. If Berto wins, he beat a world classer, and can get the $ and respect that he duely earned. If he loses, he lost to a world classer, no shame in that. If Marquez wins, it’s on to the next, and a further cemented legacy. Nobody questions his toughness. He gained my respect after getting off the canvas 3x, and beating the sh1t out of Manny for the rest of the fight. If he loses, he lost to Berto, not a Clam.
As far as my opinion IF this fight is made. Marquez is way buisier than Clottey, and gets angry when he’s hit, so he’s bound to do more work. I don’t know where all this talk of Clottey came from, he’s a C+ to a B- fighter, at best. Why does he deserve a fight with another top guy? Because he threw 4 punches to 30 against Manny. He did’nt even try in that fight, and he had success whenever he came out of his clamshell, but I question the man’s heart really. He’s a bigger, stronger man, and landed str8 rts and uppercuts, , but very infrequently. Another PPV fight I WILL NOT PAY FOR! Bob Arum is worse than Don King.
we are not talking the past but we are concentating @present,jmm is to much ambitios,he has not proven yet in ww division since hes fighting 147 lbs,againts mayweather.so why he want pacquiao for a fight since pacquiao a successful ww div.jmm must prove 2 fight ww before demending pacman since pacman a middleweight fighter now.jmm is gud only in light n featherweight.finish
good point by arum
If JMM is really that interested in fighting Pacquaio for the third time, he should challenge Pacman at his cuurrent weight of 157. However at that weight, I fear for JMM’s well being since it has been proven that JMM can’t go up in weight and still maintain his speed and power like he did in the Mayweather fight. At welterweight, JMM stands to be ko’d badly by Pacman and that might be the end for him just like what happened to ODLH and Hatton.
What Arum meant is that Marquez first fight either Clottey or Berto.If he can beat them in the ww division then a fight against Manny can be fix.It will bring a lots of interest,excitement and big money.
f.l.a._man u really think jmm needs pac he got robbed the last time they met so lets put jmm vs tomato kan to shut his tongue for good just like barrera did to the princess.dont u think?
Call me crazy, but I think Maquez can beat Clottey, at a catchweight between 140-143. Clottey looks physically intimidating but his style does not match. He has no real power, as even Mayweather has a higher KO percentage than Clottey, and even he could not knock out Marquez. Marquez has enough speed and movement to beat Clottey. His only real disadvantage is the fact that he is older and has been in more wars. But the idea is not that far fetched, and I think Marquez could beat him.
“It’s not so much JMM himself but his style”
the Truth
It so much JMM that it is his style. Pac has “avoided” fast, slick, counter punchers which technical abilities. JMM has most of that and we haven’t seen Pac fight anyone with these talents since stepping in the ring with JMM. That is why people are asking for it. Styles make fights and it’s not hard to see the “styles” team Pac are avoiding.
I say the Pac and JMM should fight at a “catch” of 140 max fight night. Neither guy can weigh over 140. It’s fair and reasonable as Pac fought Hatton officially at 138 plus Pac IS “small”. I still think Pac wins but it’s still an interesting fight and would mean more than Pac fighting Margarito at the very least.
Until Pac fights someone with technical abilities and speed JMM name will probably be brought up over and over UNTIL Pac gives us a fight that would compare to that of JMM style.
@ridgeback: JMM took the fight to mayweather. they’re both counter punchers.
if JMM truly believes he can handle pacman at welterweight, he shouldn’t have any qualms fighting clottey, a guy that pacman dominated. if he can’t handle clottey, i hate to say it but arum is right, he’s got no business with pacman. pachaters and floydiots actually believe that JMM still got pacman’s numbers even at welterweight and says he’s running scared of JMM. yet everybody thinks JMM is gonna be schooled by khan. but a lot of hardcore boxing fans believe that khan hasn’t proven anything yet. what the f*ck!
I say go for JMM, but take a page out of the Pacquiao handbook, and ask for a Catchweight? I’m sure if you can drain Clottey down to 140, he would be easy pickings, oh wait, he’s a Top Rank fighter, they probably won’t go for that.
Who the hell wants to see Clottey “fight” again? His last win that meant anything was vs Judah.
GTFOH Arum. JMM deserves to fight Pac more than Clottey and Margarito combined!
Who the hell wants to see Clottey “fight” again? His last win that meant anything was vs Judah.
GTFOH Arum. JMM deserves to fight Pac more than Clottey and Margarito combined.
Clottey way to big .dumb suggestion even to fight
Let’s see how Marquez takes Clottey’s punches, but most likely it’s going to be lights out for Marquez. Clottey walked through Zab Judah’s punches like it was nothing (although it was the headbut that ended the fight).
William Mackay needs to fight his temptation to be a boxing writer if he doesn’t wanna embarrass himself.
- MARQUEZ NEED TO STAY AT LIGHTWEIGHT
- LET HIM FIGHT KATSIDIS OR SOTO
Marquez doesn’t look comfortable moving up weights again to me a match up against clottey surely ain’t a good idea I think his days against PAC are gone to be honest there are at 140 maybe if he can carry that extra weight an keep his current attributes trouble is even at 140 there are some big guys khan would be a nightmare for him! Ideally for me it would be great if there where better fights at lightweight for him. You can’t blame him chasing a few pay days at that stage of his career though good look to him!
I just wish Clottey had not agreed with Arum and the fight fix. I wish he would have just fought Cracquiao toe to toe. He only threw 30 punches and critically hurt The Crack Man. If he had put bad intentions behind his punches, we may be having a different conversation today.
JMM CANNOT FIGHT IN ANY WEIGHT CLASS EXCEPT LIGHTWEIGHT. PERIOD, HE’S JUST TOO SMALL. HE’LL GET BUSTED BADLY IN THE JR WELTERWEIGHT, AND CANNOT COMPETE WITH THE TOP FIVE FIGHTERS THERE. CAN JMM BEAT CLOTTEY? JMM WILL GET MURDERED, AND I MEAN BUSTED UP FROM HEAD TO TOE. CLOTTEY, MIGHT HAVE BEEN PASSIVE WITH MANNY, BUT WITH JMM HE’LL MAKE THE MIDGET QUIT, GUARANTTED.
Daddy Bobby will do anything possible to remove any crediblity to JMM fighting Crack Man for a third time. A poor showing vs. a much bigger fighter in Clottey would lead to little interest in JMM fighting Cracquiao.
When the fact of the matter is…JMM has Cracquiao’s number. This fight will be a WAR no matter what weight class it happens in. Cracquiao may hurt JMM at WW, but not before JMM takes Cracquiao to HELL the same as he did twice before.
100% Clottey will trade punches against slower JMM
Very good suggestion! Great PacMan fought the unpopular Clottey. Who’s JMM comparing to PacMan?
jmm is a proven fighter ,clottey who?what has he acommplished in his career..give me a break another stupid post jmm all ready beat minime so why face them again
clottey is WAY to big for marquez!!! not good idea for juan.
Did Clottey not say that he cant make the weight and is moving up now to the jr. middleweight. And did Marquez not want a title at 140 pounds to become the first Mexican to win 4 world titles in 4 different weight classes?
what a good idea… put a counter puncher in against a guy who doesnt punch!!!
Fight stats Clottey 0 punches thrown, 0 to head, 0 to body
Marquez 0 punches thrown, 0 to head, 0 to body
YAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!