Pacquiao needs to fight Marquez-Diaz winner, not Cotto again
July 29th, 2010
By Chris Williams: Instead of fighting a needless rematch against Miguel Cotto in 2011, Manny Pacquiao needs to go after the winner of the lightweight clash between Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Juan Diaz, a fight which will be taking place this Saturday night at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, in Las Vegas, Nevada. Most boxing fans feel that Marquez should easily win the fight against Diaz, and that will put Marquez in a good position for a third fight with Pacquiao, if the Filipino fighter will agree to take it. He probably won’t, though.
The problem with Arum matching Pacquiao up with Marquez for a third fight is that Marquez doesn’t fight for Top Rank, the promoter for Pacquiao, and that could be enough to keep the fight from being made. It will be too disappointing if Pacquiao and Marquez don’t end up fighting for a third time, because many boxing fans felt that Marquez should have won both of his previous fights against Pacquiao.
I feel that way too about it. Marquez seemed to have Pacquiao’s number in both of his fights with him, and with the exception of a few knockdowns in the first fight and another knockdown in the 2nd bout, Marquez dominated most of the action against Pacquiao. However, it’s really doubtful that Arum will agree to match Pacquiao up against Marquez again. I think those two fighters will never be matched up again.
If Arum can’t set up a fight against Mayweather in early 2011, he will most definitely put Pacquiao in with Cotto in a pointless rematch so that it can make a little bit of money – probably along the same lines as the Pacquiao bout against Joshua Clottey. Then Arum will probably put Pacquiao in with another one of his Top Rank fighters Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. rather than Marquez.
Following that, I expect Pacquiao to be matched back up against Antonio Margarito again and then Cotto once more. By then, Pacquiao should be ready for retirement. If he continues to fight, my guess is Arum will have Pacquiao go back around the circle again for another fight with Chavez Jr., then Margarito, and then Cotto. The effect from this dull routine, I imagine, will cause Pacquiao’s pay per view numbers to dip into the low 400,000s due to boxing fans being sick of seeing him in one pointless rematch after another against fighters that fans don’t want to see Pacquiao fighting.
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Team pacquiao wants no part of marquez. JMM would use his superior skill to outbox manny AGAIN. I fully expect for pacquiao to avoid marquez at all costs!
@ jeremy: here we go again, people still crying about the pac clottey fight. morons, wake up. if clottey constantly exchanged punches with pacquiao, cottey could have hit the canvas early in the fight. naturally pac was open coz he was too busy keeping the exitement in the fight . no one expected the fight will turn out the way it did. clottey didn’t fight like that with cotto. in fact i thought clottey won that fight. damn! so called boxing fans are seeing that clottey could have won that fight if he punched a lot more, but TRUE boxing fans will see that if clottey punched more, he would have been knocked out.
floyd for the first time in his career almost tasted defeat in mosely but luckily he was gased up. little floydie knows that if one of pacquiao’s knock out punch slips through, it will be the beginning of a long or short fight for floydie. then floydie’s 42-0 market seller will go to the dumpsters and the beginning of “floyd who?” he’s got nothing to brag about but 42-0,. with out it he’s just a 3rd rate boxer. he will never fight pacquiao, ever. pacquiao has 3 loss, so as other great boxers. but this midget gets better every fight he goes through, and he gets better, and he gets better. he learns from every fight.
no,No No,what the heck is wrong with Williams ,Cintron,Berto,Bradley I dont think they would turn down thier oppurtunity,or let khan fight Marquez.Stop these same ol,fight scenarios.
@ matt….co-sign
well this page well not to sound offensive but the author of this article is so naive,, come on how much your going to defend some rusty fighter,,, like floyd the guy avoid pac,, yes I like his skill but we cant push the guy to fight some one when his afraid.. sory dear floyd
Yo pacman you beat marquez how many times this guy looking for a huge payday,Get a life….
I don’t care what Marquez/Pacquiao I outcome was. First of all, Pacquiao hit Marquez while he was down. He should’ve been disqualified, or at least deducted a point for the infraction. Secondly, Marquez destroyed him for the next 11 rounds. I have that fight on DVD, and I watch it routinely. The second fight, Marquez completely schooled Pacquiao. He was awarded the win because he was the bigger draw, and an up and coming cash cow. Marquez was the spoiler, but Pacquiao still got the big money fights, even after Erik Morales whipped Pacquiao’s ass. Since then, he’s demanded weights that has drained his opponents, while he got stronger. Why doesn’t Pacquiao fight Berto/Bradley/Mosley? Because he is afraid of more powerful, more quick fighters, and Freddie Roach knows it. They are a scam.
Also title of article should be “Pac should fight marquez if he wins”
And just because Mayweather shut out marquez doesnt mean he would do so against pacman. Marquez and pacman have totaly different styles. Not to mention JMM went up 2 weight classes to fight mayweather. pac faught him at his best weight and in his prime.
Mayweather v. Pacquiao is virtualy impossibe to call.
Thats why everybody wants to see it. Because both of them look unbeatable.
If Marquez will face Pacman at his new weight of 147 and in his new level, JMM will be commiting suicide. At the level that JMM fought KFC in his last fight, JMM will be easy prey to Pacman. JMM himself admitted in an interview that Pacman punches harder than KFC. But if that 3rd fight will sell so be it. I would admire JMM for his courage which is the opposite of the cowardice of KFC.
floydy where u at?
LoL
@ tic tic
I agree that the average peson would agree that marquez won those 2 fights but the average person doesnt understand how boxing is scored. What you are implying is that knock downs shouldnt count in scoring. Without the knock downs i agree that marquez clearly won both but thats not how you score a boxing match. You cant realy be arguing that knock down shouldnt count?
Serioulsy after watching how bad marquez got out skilled agaisnt floyd mayweather how can people say its gonna be a good fight for marquez for pac again!!! but yet folks say pac would beat floyd. pac missed 700 plus punches against joshua clottey who stand in one spot and just holds his hands up literally. and stop giving pac credit for beating broken fighters outside of cotto he has done nothing to be pound for pound number one in welter devision a joke.
@Seel, Pacquiao should move up to a FULL 154 to face Margacheato for the Jr. Middleweight title.
i second ROBERTO’s comment!
if marquez and/or diaz wants to fight manny, they should climb to 147 where manny “7-time champ” feels more comfortable now. but the problem is the only fight manny wants is with floyd. and floyd doesn’t want to fight manny coz he is the “GREATEST COWARD OF ALL TIME”…lol
@Textboxing, perhaps Pacquiao is on a different level. The first 2 fights dictate the fact that Marquez deserves a 3rd fight to prove or dissprove that fact!
Marquez/Pacquiao III needs to happen!
marquez is my favorite boxer but comon, he is not on pacmans level no more, marquez has alot of heart but we all know the out come of the fight, marquez should fihgt 1-2 more times and call quits
There is no excuse in the world that can justify why Pacquiao should not fight the winner of Marquez/Diaz should the Mayweather fight not comt to fruition. Arum and Roach will protect their Meal Train as long they possibly can hoping to bring an end to it with a YUGE payday in a meeting with Money Mayweather.
At 140, Marquez would get that ass!
Cotto will beat him if they fight again…catch weight or not…Cotto is smarter
Cbee1: de la hoya and marquez didn’t handle there weight adjustments, they were slow and weak. But pacquiao we’ve seen him go up, down and he loses nothing. It seems like he can adapt to any weight his in. If ever pacquiao and marquez fight again it will be at 140 and pacquiao will win by knockout.
i love JMM but he is not in Pacs league right now. Maybe few years back not now. Pac is on the league of its own that brings demons on Floyds dream. We dont want JMM gets hurt, pls dont be ubsurd..
Oh so its cool for manny’s opponents to come down in weight but all of a sudden when pactard is asked to come down in weight it makes him weak? Pactard is a fake..fighting fighters who came out of losses and at “catchweight”. He wins before they even step i the ring with that bs!
Milo,
That wont happen because Marquez has gone on the record saying “he would ask for R.B.T’s too”,so I doubt it,but now that Pac is fighting at the higher weights,it would depend on where they would fight.If it was over 147 then yeah,he would ko him(imo),but if its less than 147,I would expect Pac to be weakened from dropping more weight that he has in a long time.
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If marquez ever meet pscquiao again i’ll guarantee a knockout win for pacquiao.
gbp can’t push little floyd……now they want to push juan marquez….
too shallow……
Every Chris Williams article(if you wanna call it that)speaks negative about Cotto!
d0nt w0rry marquez is next!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the suggested fight is mis match just like Pacquiao-Mayweather match, of course in favor of Pacquiao.
The truth is that , they will be eaten by Pacquiao. This writer has no idea of what he is writting. Can you please just keep quite, PLEASE.
this page stinks when it comes to articles made by mr. chris williams.i suppose you’ve learned how to write articles that interests people “like you”..it only shows that you hate my idol manny pacman.filipinos value dignity, justice(this means fairness and good treatment) and humannyty. and here you are, a stinking little brain senseless insane …….. be careful with your F…. words
Mr. Williams, aint matter what you say or want if Cotto looks good on his next fight, the rematch will be announced afterwards. This is not about love for a fighter or passion for the sport is about Business kid and Mr. Cotto is green you know he brings money you understand this? Money is what the executives want, ranking and profits.
So Mr. Williams go cry and write a million articles about why PacMan shouldn re-match Cotto if that makes you feel better but wake up kid cause it is in the Horizon..
Pacquiao is far better than he was back then and fighting at a weight which i dont think Marquez can compete at, plus Marquez is a lot older now so it looks like an easy win for Pacquiao.
Having said that if Marquez can convincingly beat Diaz and 1 of the 140lb champs then he’d be going a long way to deserving a shot at Pacquiao’s 145lb title.
what??? even marquez coach/trainer have publicly stated that pakmans opponents were no match to manny pacquiao…
den i don’t think that marquez would make any difference…
were’s the logic on this???
juan diaz is made for mp to ko short no movement and right in front mp knocks out diaz like hatton no need for pac to fight him .
both juans are washed up. both should retire.
they fight only for money.
hehehe viva Chris Williams the twin brother of Chris Ramos is again hallucinating….. go on Mr. hallucinator, until your God Floyd Jr. is brave enough to sign the contract no one really is serious with your writings. Its a complete picture of total hatred and envy.
@ red
chris williams has to do this as a paid writer under floyd’s payroll. it’s mayweather’s way of having people focus not on his cowardice but on something else. you have to understand him…
Why chris williams can’t stop writing about Pacman? I think this is his 100th article for pacman in the last several weeks… Is chris williams gaaayee? Are you chris?
i think he had to fight first pacman’s previous opponent : -
. dl hoya
. hatton
. cotto
. clottey
before a trilogy to be happened mr. writer and that time for sure he would be 40+. anyway a boring fighter can still fight with this age.
Anyone with 20/20 vision can see the Manny Pacquioa that fought Marquez twice isn’t the Manny Pacquioa of 2010. Watch both fights & how one-handed & raw Manny is back then. He’s a rubiks cube of a fighter now with weird angles mixed with power from both hands NO boxer can see or take. Marquez would be destroyed if they ever fought again…Pacquioa’s out-grew the likes of Marquez.
I think this is a ridiculous article!
Why are people agreeing with the P4P king fighting either of these 2?
When Khan fights the winner of these 2, all of a sudden, he is fighting washed up lightweights…but if Pacman fights them its acceptable…..
This is a kodax momemt…for the very first time I actually agree with Chris Williams. He has to not just fight Marquez, but destroy him, probably at 143. I do not think Manny can make 140 so somewhere in that range is fair; and finally close that chapter between them in a definitive manner.
juan manuel marquez and floyd mayweather jr.
who of the two is:
1.) the more crafty fighter?
2.) the more accurate puncher?
3.) the taller fighter?
4.) the stronger fighter?
5.) scared of manny pacquiao?
If Marquez wants to claim victory in both those fights, here is a suggestion for him. Next time, try to keep your ass off the canvas. It will strengthen your argument that you won. Hard to claim victory from a prone position. Had the idiot judge in the first fight ruled the first round a 10-6 AS WAS REQUIRED BY THE RULES, Pac would have won the first fight rather than a draw. But he has too much class to file a formal ocmplaint to try to change the decision.
Pac destroys Marquez at 147, and beats him easily at 140. I see a KO at either weight. Pac should do it, although Marquez is a boring fighter anyway.
Chris stop taking out of your ass
are you on medication Mr. Chris Williams?
HATTON SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN A LICENSE TO FIGHT HEALTH CONCERNS HE IS DONE
glad to see more people realizing that the holdup for pacquiao is BOB ARUM
@ greedy…. you know it makes me wonder if hatton can even take a punch anymore…marquez does have a sick uppercut… good pay day for both though
okay food for thought guys….. lets say marquez somehow pulls a win out of the bag vs pac-man in a 3rd & epic showdown.. that evens up the score with a win each & a draw…there we have it, a 4th fight to settle it all.
it’ll be hard to even picture them fighting again cuz marquez cant handle tha weight at welterweight, maybe a catchweight? idk… ahhhh, the dreams of a boxing fan. peace.
So be it! I’d watch a Pacquiao VS. Marquez III fight!!!
No, i think its the urine he’s been drinking……probably belongs to stangers by now.
marquez is now just a shadow of pacman.
their styles now is different than before they fought.
i dont think marquez can still match pac’s ability anymore..
lets see if he has left on diaz..
@joker c/east salas ca
manny is afraid of marquez? bcoz marquez says?LOL ofcourse boxers will say he’s afraid of me everytime..why would pacman be afraid of marquez, whom he knockdown 4 times in 2 fights..marquez just wants another big payday dude! he’s getting old, he needs money for savings..
Why not Ivan calderon? Chris Williams is Floyd’s lover!
A good suggestion. I think Pacman will only agree above 140 level nothing less.
That’s a lye Marquez was never offer a 3rd figth with Paqciao.Marquez went to Indonesian to figth after the first figth with Paqciao not the second figth,also when they ask Arum about a 3rd figth Marquez vs Paqciao Arum said there’s no need for a 3rd figth actually he got mad that people thogth Marquez should’ve won the second figth.
Pacman is retiring soon. It would be a waste of time and effort if Pacman is not fighting for an 8th Title in 8 divisions.
The Margarito fight could be his last.
@ joker c/east salas ca
pacman was never afraid of marquez. there was supposed to be a third match between the two and marquez was offered 700,000 dollars for the fight but instead, marquez fought in indonesia for a measly 30,000 dollars.
now marquez wants a third fight with pacman. manny will fight him but marquez should be prepared well enough for the fight or else, he will get KO’d like hatton. it’s a lot different now when they first met. manny’s wreaking havoc at WW while marquez is at lightweight.
but if ever the fight is made, i believe it will do good ppv numbers.
manny is scared of marquez
even if they did fight , what weight would it be at ?
Although i do think this fight would do good ppv numbers, I dont really think that marquez could compete with Manny if the fight is held heavier than 135. And i dont think Manny would want to go lower than 14o anymore.