Mayweather-Pacquiao: The Personal Preference Factor
July 21st, 2010
By Arfan Ali: The lips of boxing fans have been engraved with two words over the past couple of months “Mayweather” and “Pacquiao”. There is no need to shed deeper light into the situation as negotiations are ongoing but let’s unravel back to the last time negotiations took place and were they fell apart.
The factor many thought that would be the hardest to resolve would be the money, however a 50:50 split was quickly resolved. The issue which left many heartbroken as to being deprived of a mega-fight and inducing a lawsuit of defamation of character was the deadline of random drug testing.
The refusal of Pacquiao to accept the cut off period for drug testing does not imply that Pacquiao is taking performance enhancing drugs. We live in a world were before we make assumptions (in the court of law) we have to provide evidence and so far Pacquiao has not failed a drug test. Pacquiao refusal is a personal preference which he feels more comfortable with and could arouse a sense of suspicion in Mayweather’s head leading up to a possible fight, 1-0 to Pacquiao in mind games.
Slightly off topic but relating to the theme of “personal preference” the refusal of Carl “The Cobra” Froch to fight Arthur Abraham in Germany is too a factor of personal preference. The gain of a home crowd can always get that final rush of adrenalin required at the later stages of the fight.
Let’s not forget boxing is a sport like no other, the margin between winning and losing is so finite that you have to take advantage of every factor to win. Let it be known mind games have always circled the boxing ring and every slight advantage is one to be taken. Though, once the dust has settled it will either be a “W” or “L” and all other factors will be forgotten.
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the negotiations should be televised!!! Totally agree to that!!! HBO can even make it into a PPV. say… $5-10 price range? hahaha!
The next round of negotiations between the Manny Pacquiao camp
and the Floyd Mayweather Jr. camp should be televised live on a national television sports channel(like ESPN, ESPN2, etc). That way all the boxing fans can see live, what both camps bring to the table. Actions speak louder than words! That would put an end to any unanswered questions! Of course, the Mayweather camp would try to turn the negotiations between the 2 camps into a pay-per-view only event, with a difference in revenue spilt just for negotiations, because its all about the money to them!
misunderstood..care to engage in a healthy debate based upon facts??
For the clowns that keep bosting about Pac winning fighter of the decade…I think it’s worth noting that the media votes on that award and it brings them much more press to vote for Pac the little guy from a foreign country than it does to give the award to the guy who has been on top of the sport for years dominating. Yes Pac won fighter of the year 3 times due to his exciting style of punch and get punched but for the boxing purist Floyd is certainly entertaining in his own right.
Never mind these Floyd fans who defend Floyd to death . I bet they’re all teen -agers doing nothing all day but to surf the Net. I don’t even bother to talk smack to them – they’re stubborn even though their fraud idol has lost all respect.
Floyd knows THE END is near if he fights Manny.
I hope this fight will never happen, with all the money and hype thrown at it, the 2 fighters will clam up, scared and thinking of a rematch$$$ in the ring and jab their way to a “on points decision”. Then, after a year of both camps throwing mud at each other about the result, there will be a Pac Vs Floyd 2 and that will be a farce too, each pocketing 40-50mil and retiring. Anyway if it does happen, and they actually fight proper, Floyd will smash Pac inside 4 rounds, Floyd’s a mad genius of the “Sweet” science.
Floyd is the best fighter out there period! Being reckless and throwing 1200 punches at some one that hardly fights back might be apealing to some. I think its boring to watch a good fighter fight a b level guy. Floyd would beat a brawler type like pac easier than he did Mosley..Sweet science all the way! For you tards that dont know what the sweet science means , it is the art of boxing NOT toe to toe brawling! Its the art of hitting and not getting hit back!
@lets be real says- at least Floyd said it unlike Pac who says he fights for legacy and his won fans but if u look at his fights with Oscar, hattoon and maybe a fight with Floyd it has to do with Pac demanding more than he is worth. see u next time take care
Yes, Floyd needs more time to prepare for the fight with PAC. He has not mastered his PEDS.
PAIN ENDURANCE DEFENSIVE SKILLS
He still needs to practice his tolerance to pain as PAC will be bombarding him with heavy blows at different angles so his shoulder roll would not be enough.
thats a direct quote to you smart a**. damn it feels good putting know it alls in their place.
hi five
an honest pacfan
i think you owe us floyd boys an apology. dont you.
Defending Bob Arum is quite hard for a number of reasons. He’s a famous liar, well-known to veteran fans as a promoter that tends to totally exaggerate negotiations to ensure that he comes out looking holier than thou.
Team Mayweather wasn’t even the first to make these claims. It’s been coming out of his own camp.
Michael Marley, the day after Arum’s infamous “teleconference,” came right out and said it. This was days before Leonard Ellerbe spoke.
Marley, a Top Rank/Pacquiao writer, and a close friend of Arum’s, was just as perplexed by Arum’s deadline. He didn’t get it; he couldn’t work out what Arum was up to. So he went digging.
He spoke to his Top Rank people, and was shocked with the answer. Again, this was days before Ellerbe spoke.
Negotiation just hadn’t been happening. They’d started, briefly, but capitulated almost instantly, according to Marley.
Marley claimed that Arum had only spoken to Greenburg once, months ago. And that conversation was little more than Arum telling him his demands. Demands that Golden Boy just weren’t interested in.
That’s basically it. No meetings, no talks, no agreements, no contracts, no deals.
Bob Arum, according to Marley, just spent the next five weeks “blowing smoke to the media,” to try and confuse the situation and giving the impression that he was breaking his back to make the deal.
When in truth, Mayweather vs. Pacquiao was the last thing Arum wanted for 2010.
Why did the talks fail? According to Marley, contrary to most reports, Pacquiao was unwilling to move an inch on drug testing. And Mayweather was unwilling to move an inch on money.
Pretty predictable.
As another example of the way Arum operates, it also turns out that “Pacquiao accepting 14 days” was just more “smoke” as part of the Arum charade.
The original quote from Pacquiao was 100 percent fake. Arum has admitted as much. The second quote from Pacquiao was real, but for PR purposes. Pacquiao’s manager denied it was accurate, when quizzed soon after.
To confirm the charade, only days ago, Arum was asked straight up, what drug terms Pacquiao had agreed to and he was unable to give an answer.
This is a man who had an agreement with Mayweather’s people? He couldn’t even answer what the supposed drug agreement was?
So what actually happened? According to Marley, Arum made these claims days before anyone from team Mayweather spoke out.
Well, Arum has allegedly been fixing a Pacquiao vs. Margarito bout in the Middle East for months. But he knew full well that he couldn’t make the fight without being seen to be trying to make Mayweather vs. Pacquiao first.
Plus, HBO, after pressure from Golden Boy, flat out told him that he’d have to approach Mayweather first, or they would not work on a Margarito fight.
Arum, according to Marley, approached Greenburg with his terms for the fight. Terms, Marley suspects, that were never going to be accepted. Terms, that in regards to drug testing, were even worse than the last fight.
That’s basically it. Golden Boy felt Arum was not being serious, and had no intention of negotiating further.
Arum played the media, and proclaimed that he was “waiting for Floyd to accept his offer.” Which, I guess, was technically true. The big lie came with Arum’s claims that these terms had been negotiated and accepted.
Marley claims that this is just 100 percent false. There were no real talks. No deals. No agreements. No contracts.
In a strange way, neither side is technically lying. Most likely, after taking legal advice, they’ve worded it all very carefully.
Arum claimed that he was waiting for Mayweather to agree to his offer, and had been dealing with Greenberg. The problem being, his dealings with Greenberg amounted to one conversation in which he sent him an awful offer, knowing full well it wouldn’t work. No negotiations, talks, or discussions whatsoever.
Arum’s offer. Countdown clock. Lots of BS about “terms being agreed by both sides.”
Mayweather’s people are technically speaking the truth as well. There were never any negotiations, talks, agreements, deals. Just Arum blowing smoke to the press.
Why did Arum exaggerate his efforts so much? Because he wanted to set up Margarito vs. Pacquiao and couldn’t justify it without trying to pin the blame on someone else.
Golden Boy? Well Marley claims that there quite literally was a gag order. It’s just the fact that the negotiations ended after about two days. You can tell when the fight fell through. Arum started talking to the media twice a day!
Marley claims that Golden Boy’s position with Arum is to just let him talk, and not justify his claims with replies, safe in the knowledge that most of the sport world knows he talks out of his behind.
Arum could well find himself in a tough position, however. Dan Raphael reported that Ellerbe is not only one of the most honest guys in boxing, he’s also been speaking to Greenberg regularly for weeks. These daily conversations have reportedly gone on after his claim that basically either Greenberg or Arum is a stone cold liar.
Which suggests to most that Greenberg agrees with his pronouncement.
Again, Marley is a Top Rank guy, and a noted Pacquiao backer. He reported that Arum’s claims of “negotiations” and “agreements” were phony, days before any Mayweather person made any comment.
Mayweather’s guy’s wording is probably a bit controversial, and not 100 percent true, but both Marley and Ellebre are basically singing from the same hymn sheet.
Arum completely and utterly exaggerated all claims of “agreements,” “deals,” “contracts,” and “negotiations.”
Floyd always fight for the money and thats ok for you.
But when Pac fight for money then you say its bad. BS man.
Im done with you man.
Open you mind. Floyd always fools you.
See you next time.
@lets be rea says – how about unbeaten corrales and 10 pounds heavier that Floyd knocked out, how about unbeaten jesus chavez that floyd knocked out , how about unbeaten hatton that floyd knocked out, which prime fighters are u talking of apart from paul williams and a middleweight anyway
Pacman did not choose to fight Cotto coz he beat Mosley but Cotto was knocked out by Margarito. Your reasoning its flawed coz we can also Pac chose Hatton coz he had been knocked out by Floyd. I think he fought Cotto coz arum wanted that fight and more money for top rank. I think next time u need to do yo researh first
Floyd will always fight prime fighters on mouth not on the ring.
Williams last fight is 160 pounds. If he loss you will say hes over drain. Thats BS man.
Pacman choice to fight Cotto because Cotto beat Mosley then Mosley choice to fight Berto as simple as that.
@lets be real says- Oscar has done more PPV than Floyd thats a fact but on Average Floyd has done better thats a fact . Floyd never turned Cotto down but Cotto team refused twice in 2005 at jnr welterweight and welterweight to fight Floyd. About Margarito , Floyd has just left Top Rank and why putting money in Arum,s pocket and its Arum who started those accussations? About Paul Williams it can also be said that Pac is ducking Williams at his peak
@Lets be real says- u have not answered my question yet? who did Floyd duck and in their prime? Mosley was begging for a fight after he had refused by going on a family vacation. That video u claim is by mosley i believe its recent after he invaded the ring on Floyd vs JMM fight. Everybody knows Shane challenged Floyd publicly but before that who had ducked who? Why mentioning Cotto, Yuri Foreman ,how is this related to my question?
Check the record of Oscar man. Most of boxing people knows it.
Prime Cotto, Margarito, Williams but Floyd answer is his not thinking boxing right now. Oooops! He done it again.
Mosley admit on one of his interview in youtube than Pac wants to fight him but Floyd doesnt want to fight him before. You check that out. Did Cotto beat Mosley and Foreman? Did Pac put Marquez in the canvas 4 times? How manny times Floyd retired when facing prime top fighters? Thats facts!
@ Lets be real- when it comes to PPVs Floyd is better than Oscar at his peak when u average their figures, thats a fact. When it comes to ducking opponents may u tell me which opponents has Floyd ducked?
@boxing 101- u claim that Floyd has a history of ducking opponents , i beg to differ coz as far as i know he has not ducked anyone but Pac has, Pac refused a fight with Shane, refused a fight with Yuri Foreman claiming he is too tall, refused to give JMM a 3rd fight. When it comes to negotiations Pac has a history as well, Had a problem with Oscar and also a problem with Ricky and now Floyd. Those are facts
Multiple weight class? Because Floyd is using before PED.
Sorry for that. I have no prof.
12-13 years. But lots more of ducking, injured, retired, vacation etc.
Oscar is far better than Floyd on PPV.
Floyd vs Ivan Calderon
or
Floyd vs Chris John
Happy now?
List of undefeated Boxers.
Joe Calzaghe
Ivan Calderon
Chris John
Edwin Valero
Sergiy Dzinziruk
Chavez Jr
Juan Manuel Lopez
etc..
Rocky Marciano
Young Mitchell
Jack McAuliffe
Jimmy Barry
Laszlo Papp
Terry Marsh
Ji Won Kim
Ricardo Lopez
Sven Ottke
Harry Simon
mayweather has been undefeatded in like 12 to 13yrs and did it in multiple weight classes most of his title was wbc damn near all was wbc and most of his foghts was on the big stage. but it’s alot of pacscrackbabies routing on marg vs pac which is sad. I guess the tickets will sell 5 dollares a piece becuz that about how much it’s worth
well put
There are maybe more than 20 undefeated champion in boxing. That’s BS.
@kev
Yey, i’m undeafeted, and it’s staying that way coz I’m on vacation. Yey!
I’M UNDEFEATED LIKE MONEY GOTTA LUV IT, LMAO LMAO
kevy kev well looks like you won, he stomped out the court room crying with top rank, you hold the title good job
honest pacbaby do you know who i am i’ll get oj on that azz
@johnny cochran and kevy kev
Before I forget, thanks…
Since there wasn’t much point in the arguments… I’ll just thank you for you the entertainment value of our input….
LOL!
I’m out boys and girls… I’ll see you in the next round of discussions… PEACE OUT!
Sorry to go so early but these stupid people here are making my head hurt…
LOL!
Peace to all… and we’ll talk boxing some other time…
@johnny cochran
“honest pacbaby why are you mad at me for you’re just an epic failure, lmao”
LOL! Me? Mad? LOL!
I don’t waste my anger on dumbasses like you and kevy kev…
Look yourself in the mirror dude.. I’m giving out arguments, all you can do is dish out profanity…
Who’s the epic fail again?
LOL…
Sorry to disappoint you mate.. but when it comes to debating.. you got nothing to be proud about..
Go play nbalive with your buddy kevy kev…
honest pacbaby why are you mad at me for you’re just an epic failure, lmao
@johnny cochran
LOL! See can’t say anything else can you…
If you don’t want to be questioned about your opinion..
If you don’t have justifications on your accusations…
If you don’t want to discuss with people’s opinions…
As per your advice…
STFU!
honest pacbaby you can say what you wanna but you’ve made an fool out of yourself, lmao
@prettyboymanny
Enjoy it mate.. I am as well…
kevy kev and honest pacman fan, you guys are great… im laughing my head off right now… epic battle!
@kevy kev…
Come on please mate.. for your own sake atleast answer what I asked you….
@johnny cochran
And I’ll give this back to you
I don’t have to answer to you who are you? I said what I said you have to prove me wrong if you can’t then stfu simple as that…..
HAHAHAH COURTS IN RECESS, LOL PACDUMMY
honest pacbaby he doesn’t have to answer to you who are you? he said what he said you have to prove him wrong if you can’t then stfu simple as that
@johnny cochran and @kevy kev
Can you speed up your responses as well… I’m getting too tired of waiting for you guys…
Makes it feel like you have to think for so long but still come up with the rubbish that you have come up with…
If that’s the case… rest your brains.. you guys are straining it too much….
@johnny cochran and @kevy kev
If I only have to contend with people like you, even if you bring another 100 of you guys, that think the same way…
I won’t even sweat debunking your every argument…
I’ve discussed with waaaayyyyyyyyyyyy smarter Mayweather fans than the 2 of you..
“honest pactard okay so you said he did, court in recess”
HAHA… it gets better every time
@johnny cochran
How about you mr johnny, since I don’t know nothing… perhaps you do…
@kevy kev
Wrong answer kev…..
honest pactard okay so you said he did, court in recess
@kevy kev
Answer the question oh great and smart kevy kev…
If the questions are too long for you, let me know and I’ll break it down for you….
@johnny cochran
wooow… lol!
another one…
Let me just recap it to you my good friend.
Step 1. @kevy kev said the fight failed because Pac didn’t agree to the testing.. this is where we started OK?
Step 2. All I asked is how do you know? Do you know?
I don’t need to prove anything. He’s the one who needs to prove his statement…
Now if you don’t have anything better to say, you should take your own advice…
@ little kev
“manny has a history, if your able to judge others then manny is not any different, if he say i don’t know then i’m telling him to prove me wrong so where’s the valid point here. okay i said yes i got proof then prove me wrong mfs”.
OH MY GOD!
HAHAHAHA YOUR NOT MAKING SENSE YOUR BETTER OFF SUCKING YOUR MOMMAS HAIRY BALL, LMAO
honest pacbaby if you cant prove it then why state your opinion it doesn’t make you seem you know what you’re talking about you’re only trying to make it sound as if stfu
@boxer
I’m trying aye… but I think I would have been better off talking to a brick wall.. even though it won’t absorb the information that I tell it.. atleast it won’t argue back…
LOL! Unlike our special friend here…
@ an honest pacfan
i agree with you man. and i stand by what i felt back at the beginning of all this cr**p. if floyd mayweather truely felt he could beat pacquiao the fight would have happened by now. its as simple as that.
anyways dude, im out again. just keep our little friend in check aye.
@Kevy kev
Now i say Pac agreed to the test.. as you say prove me wrong… you so dumb mate…
@kevy kev
Lets take this again step by step
- you say the fight fell through because Pac didn’t agree to the test.
WRONG SO WRONG.. even Jay-z(a great mayweather fan) agreed that it was put out in the media that Pac agreed to testing, and it even came out like Pac agreed to the full all the way to fight night. Did Mayweather dispute this when he was interviewed? NO
manny has a history, if your able to judge others then manny is not any different, if he say i don’t know then i’m telling him to prove me wrong so where’s the valid point here. okay i said yes i got proof then prove me wrong mfs
@ little kev
your last line in your statement sums you up prefectly.
“THAT’S WHAT I’M SAYING IT’S ABOUT ME AND PHUCK YOU”.
wtf??!! you’ve lost the plot kevy boy. if i were you kev (gud help me) i would have bailed from this particular conversation a long time ago. you’ve just dug yourself a whole that you cant get out of and the rest of us where are being entertained at your stupidity, boy!
your dumb kev, actually dumb!
do you notice not even the floyd boys are sticking up for you dude. like i said reread not you’ve written and ask yourself honestly whose not in the conversation. REREAD KEV!
@boxer
It’s basically the same when the Mayweather’s accused Pac of the PED’s on the first place.
- He’s on PEDs
- How do you know
- Cos he wouldn’t test
- But why does he have to do blood test
- Cos he’s on PEDs
- How do you know
- Cos he wouldn’t test
- repeat…
this time
- The fight failed cos he wouldn’t test
- how do you know
- cos the fight failed
- but how do you know he didn’t agree to the test
- becuase he didn’t agree on the past
- but how do you know he didn’t this time
- cos the fight didn’t happen
- repeat…..
@ kev
kev, dude, i’ve never stated or said that pacquiao HAS taken the test in the past. this discussion started with you claiming pac didnt agree to random blood tests in there most recent negiotations and an honest pacfan saying simply HOW DO YOU KNOW. (for which you havent replied).
if mayweather didnt like what was in the contract why would he not say so? why just say “boxings not on my mind”? he could have just said, pac didnt want to take random tests etc.. for the purse split.
and since he has said anything lik this how can you say pac didnt want to take the test at these negiotations. not the first kev these ones.
you get wee man? probably not
@the decision i beg to differ kev whooped that boy
little floyd prefers pampers
what have you written in this column that hasn’t been repeated so many times? man, write something that we haven’t yet known about.your subject matter is old, already been debated long and hard. it’s over. you are beating a dead horse. if i was gonna read about old topics, i’ll go search the archives and look up dave lahr’s articles. that will give me amomentary laugh at least
@kevy kev
I’m so proud of you… somehow you are like Pac… “Never say die”.. LOL!!!
Now that is heart!
well guys time to sleep now.. good discussions and debate between the flomos and the pactards. my verdict. pactards won their substance and arguments holds more water. and less racist comments and dirty words too. flomos there’s always another day to fight. this time the pactards won. but don’t give up yet. the verdict is final.. i’m going to sleep now!!
yO@BOXER YOU SAY i DONT KNOW NOTHING BUT IF YOU WANT TO TELL ME THAT MANNY DIDNT TAKE THE TEST EVER THEN YOUTUBE AND ALL THE INTERVIEW IS FAKE ACCORDING TO YOU, YOUR WORD AGAINST MINE YOU STILL NOT MAKING A VALID POINT I TOLD YOUR DUMBA** 3 HOURS AGO TO LOOK ON YOUTUBE WHERE THE ISSUES BEING DISCUSSED. SO YOUR ANSWER 3 HOURS AGO IS YES IT’S A FACT THAT MANNY DIDNT TAKE THAT TEST BECUZ IT WOULDNT BE AN ISSUE, dID MANNY STATED HE TOOK THE TEST NO SO YOU DONT HAVE ANY CONCRETE EVIDENCE TO PROVE ANYBODY WRONG ME NOR YOU GOES AND EXAMINE WHAT EITHER OF THOSE GUYS DOES ON A DAILY BASIS THAT’S WHAT I’M SAYING IT’S ABOUT ME AND PHUCK YOU
@justdfacts i spend your mommas foodstamps cuz da biatch still owes me money with her toothless azz
over all the negotiations and contract blues. maywether has a history of staling, ducking opponents. (dont know why he does, he is one of the best in the game). if it happens it happens, if not, move on pac man, youv proven you self already. as a fight fan, over it. im a fight fan not a contract fan. there both supreme athletes, thats why its a possible mega fight.over it. rather watch two young, hungry up and comers fight. if they want to be buissnes men go work for Donald trump. if there fighters, then fight. they boath have enough money to feed a therd word contry for f***ks sake !
@ kevy kev.. I’ve been enjoying your back and forth with the pacmans pls don’t go and continue fighting for your idol. you’re winning (not).
@Kevy kev
one word…. STUPID
I ask you to show me a proof because you are the one accusing but you turn around and tell me I don’t have proof of my defense?
Do you live in America or what?
Have you heard of democracy or what?
@kevy kev
You are so quick to accuse people aren’t you?
You accuse pac of not agreeing to the test..
but you don’t have proof..
You accuse me of getting paid for commenting.. but you don’t have proof.. on top of that, you are doing the same thing…
@HONEST PACFAN R YOU GETTING PAID TO COMMENT ON THIS SITE BECUZ IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND THAT MANNY HAS A HISTORY FOR NOT WANTING TESTING WOULDNT BE A SUPRISE THAT HE DIDNT AGREE TO THE TESTING THE SECOND TIME. IF MANNY AGREED THEN PROVE IT IS THAT HARD TO DO DUMMY @WHO DAT YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME HOMEBOY THAT GUY IS EITHER GETTING PAID QUARTERS DOING THIS OR HE IS JUST PLAIN STUPID, I’M ABOUT TO PLAY 2010 NBA LIVE PS3 ON MY BIG A** TV SO PHUCK THEM MAN, ANYONE WANNA PLAY A ONLINE CHALLENGE(WHO DAT)
@boxer
Thanks mate..
LOL!
KFC vs the HGH who wins.
@ honest pacfan
i’ll answer for question for kev and this other idiot since both arent man enough to.
QUESTION:
“Do you have proof that Pac didn’t agree to the testing on this set of negotiations?”
ANSWER: NO
@ kev
theres just no telling you dude! even when its looking you straight in the face you still cant see it! honestly dude you’ve got to be one of the most ignorant people out there.
people answer your questions and you reply with dribble! you stated something that was wrong so i corrected you. but you still think i havent proved s**t??? i dont get kev. then again who does!
Who Dat-owhh he’s out for a sec, u know, got to go midnight shopping wer less people can see he’ll pay…FOODSTAMPS!!!!
@Who Dat?
We defend what we think is right.. what you accuse us is the same as what you do…
Does that mean you treat Mayweather as a god?
It don’t look like it to me.. but if you accuse us that that’s what we are doing.. then you are guilty as well…..
@WHO DAT YOUR RIGHT WITH THE RACE ISUE BECUZ THEY SAY THEIR LIL SLICK RACIST TALK LIKE WE’RE A BUNCH OF IDIOTS LIKE THEM WHITE FOLKS KILL KIDS AND FAMILIES AND THEY ACT AS WE ARE THE ONES DOING IT, SO WHEN YOU SEE A BLACK GUY DOING WRONG HELP HIM OUT BECUZ YOU AINT BETTER THEN NOBODY, NO RACE IS BETTER THEN THE OTHERS BUT IF YOU CONTINUE TO PLAY DUMB THEN IMMA LET YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT YA A**
Who Dat-i bet if mayweather’s will say that Prsident Obama is white, yall believe that too!! coz u soooo d@mb!!!
im out. just had to speak my mind. just looked like idol worship to me. yall acting like lil dude a god.
@Who dat?
Same thing as I asked @kevy kev
-Do you have proof that Pac didn’t agree to the testing on this set of negotiations?
how u suppose to be a example for the world and you cant even stand up and take a drug test. man yall betta stop idol worship, pac aint no saint, dude cheats on his ol lady, better not eva let me get ahold of that lil tight thang, she will neva want lil pac back
@Who Dat?
LOL! However you see the world my friend..
If you want to keep it boxing then keept it boxing… stay away from the money talk… cos you don’t get none of what these boxers get…
So tell me again why Mayweather wouldn’t fight for $50 to $60 million dollars against the “pac got no defense, no footwork, no skills” that you are talking about?
Who Dat-and all those times that Floyd was fighting, boxing is slowly dying too! but when pac came with may retire,,,guess what happen, bosing was wanted, craved again by casual fans…hmmmm.
medicade and foodstamps, u got me !ucked up with yo LBFM over here. yall do one or two things, marry a military dude to get here or working all the hand me down shi! dont nobody else wanna do. but imma keep it boxing………….. pac got no defense, no footwork, no skills
@Who Dat?
“it took floyd to step away for a few years for pac to get handed the p4p tittle lol”
And guess why he stepped away…. LOL!
Who Dat- and wher is he now? oh, HIDING!
@Who Dat?
You can take you ESPY award along with Mayweather..
We’ll take Fighter of the decade… 7 world titles.. along with Pac…
Sorry dude.. Mayweather’s resume falls short to compare with Pac’s
@Who Dat? says:
So let me get it right. Pac ducked Shane. Pac on roids and Pac cheats on his wife right
and yes! when pac fights he pay tax. TAX that goes to pay your MEDICAID AND FOODSTAMPS! seems like you are more cheater than him coz u know how to beat the system.
@Who Dat?
To make it easier for you to comprehend, I’ll break the math for you:
- Let’s shrink the numbers down to make it easier for you to evaluate okay.
- Mayweather earn $120, Pac $40
- Packet of smokes cost $12 (america), Philippines (.75c)
- by the time Mayweather bought 10 packets he would have used up all his $120
- Pac on the other hand would still have $32.50 left
Do you see the difference now?
same as it was back in the 60′s and 70′s, the blacks root for Floyd/Ali, and everybody non black root for whoever the wh1te man tells them is the next best thing.
in negotiations there need to be a compromise especially if you’re dealing with top 2 p4p. all I know pac tries to be reasonable he can’t be dictated as well mayweather does not want to be dictated and so does pac so there’s need to be a compromise. seems like arum and pac was trying to meet the blood tessting and the purse split but mayweather at this time seems ducking pac .that’S all. btw good back and forth with you kev. I have no hard feelings and ill will at all. wish you well though. JESUS SAVES!!
@Who Dat?
Exactly my good friend.. Mayweather’s $ will get bitten by tax and all his expenses will also be in $…
So who do you think will need money sooner.. Pac or Mayweather…
@Who Dat?
The race card is getting old…
In boxing the 2 guys considered to be GOAT (arguable) are the same race that Mayweather is…
He isn’t getting hated because of his color.. he is hated because he wanted the fans to be.. you know how he draws his fans by annoying them.. yeh.. so don’t complain if that what you expect to get…
dont nobody care bout no pesos, this the states, i did the math,it take a shi! ton of yo pesos to equal 1 of my dollars
everytime a black man at the top of boxing, they always building up “that” guy who everybody non black root for to beat the big bad black man at the top. same shi! different day, yall hated ali just like that and he still the greatest of all time
@Who Dat?
“pac is the equal of a great white hype”….
that scare the “supposed GOAT.”
LOL!
Oh by the way.. have you heard of the saying earn dollar spend dollar? Yeh, Mayweather does that…
Pac on the other hand, earns dollars and spends in pesos… Try and calculate (if you can) in your head who would have their earning last longer….
keep it 100, pac couldnt beat pretty boy if his life depended on it. pac is the equal of a great white hype, neva wanna see the blkac man on top, yall hated on ali like that too, say im lying
@kevy kev
“IT’S TOO LONG AND YOUR WORDS O IS A WASTE OF MY TIME”
- LOL! you just gave me my final verdict:
COMPREHENSION: Below average….
LOL!
@ who dat.. nah manny has big time sponsors. he just wants to whoop flyd thats all.
dont know kev but i been readin thru these post, u dudes act sick 4real, dont mean to hurt nobody feelings but yall act like yall idol worshipping pac ova there in the PI, thought idol worship was against yall beliefs
@ who dat ..you sound like kev. same duckfeathers I guess.
@ kev
u still hanging about mate! jezz i would’ve thought you’d a taken a hint by now!
this is what you wrote which shows how stupid you are pal.
“@supreme If your about the money you will want to be like the mayweathers but you’ll rather have bob arum play with your money and tells you who to fight, wow what a dummy oh yeah golden boy also get their share wow what a double dummy.”
this statement is wrong on so many different levels. yes arum is pacquiaos promotor and will get a cut from his earnings amongst others, but do you realise that mayweather gets his check cut as well because GBP act as his promotor! amongst all of floyds entourage as well! there is no difference in the principal at all dude.i’ll break it down even more for you though.
pacquiao pays arum for promoting him for the fight. pacquiao also has his own promotions under MP Promotions just like floyd and mayweather promotions. the two are really similar in that both dont have the scope to deal with mega fights like this one. only on a much smaller scale.
mayweather will pay GBP’s for their efforts in promoting him also. you guys that think he writes his own checks is BS! GBP’s writes floyd the check out. thats how it works. they take a cut!
the only real difference is that floyd doesnt have to stay loyal to GBP’s. he signs with them on a fight by fight basis. and thats the only difference.
like i said kev, you only can deal with the basics dude. anything else is above you boy. now go to bed!
saints u a d@mn fool. pretty boy taking a break cus he made plenty of money already this year, his pockets on swoll, pac gotta fight cause his pockets getting slim like they on a diet
wrong who dat. floyd wants to take a vacation becasue he is scared of manny.
you d*cks act like pac a !ucking god. !uck pac
So let me get it right. Pac ducked Shane. Pac on roids and Pac cheats on his wife right
Kevy Kev is unfolding rightbefore our eyes. Didn’t mean to ruffle your feathers mate. I apologize for dicing you like a knife ( poetic expression ).
@ Kevy Kev
Read this and share it with the Mayweathers.
One evening an old Cherokee told his grandson about a battle that goes on inside people.
He said, “My son, the battle is between two wolves inside us all.
“One is Evil – It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.
“The other is Good – It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith.”
The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather: “Which wolf wins?”
The old Cherokee simply replied, “The one you feed.”
slow down kev. i can barely understand what you’re saying.. btw. what happened to floyd not being interested in boxing?!! he came back from retirement to claim back the p4p title. he came back from retirement to clean up the sport and become the mlk jr of his generation. he came back to tell the whole world that he is the greatest and gretaer than ali and robinson. now that he has a chance to become all of that by beating pacman why take a vacation now?!! come on in 4 years he only fought 2x and he is tired already?!!
@Kevy kev
You should take your own advice mate…
@SUPREME COURT CUZ I DONT GIVE A F*CK THAT’S WHY, i NEVER CLEAN ANYONES TOILETS EVER, SO WHEN YOU TRY TO DEGRADE PEOPLE WHO YOU THINK YOU KNOW YOU MIGHT WANNA CHECK YOURSELF PUNKA**
SUPREME COURT YOUR WRONG I’M THE MAN WHERE I’M FROM AND I’M THE ONLY RACE THAT LIVES ON THE STREET MORON EVERYTHING I NEED IS WALKING DISTANCE AWAY BIATCH THAT’S WHY I DO WHAT I DOES MF AND YOU CAN LLIKE IT OR NOT THE SAME WAY YOU HATE ON THE MAYWEATHERS. i SPEAK WHATS ON MY MIND EVERYDAY OF THE WEEK UNLIKE YOUR CULTURE THAT HAS THE HABIT OF THROWING BRICKS AND HIDING THEIR HANDS HUH COWARDS I GOT MEXICANS “ONE GROUP” HAS THEIR OWN COSTRUCTION COMPANY/BRICK MASON BUT THEY LIVE ABOUT 30 PEOPLE A HOUSE BIATCH
@ kevv..again why are you so mean you’re like your idol full of insecurities. why do you have to look down at people who clean toilets, da janitors. we should be thankful that there are people who would clean toilets. tsk tsk
@kevy kev: LOL!!! Remove your lips from the COWARDS private parts. LOL!!!
Mayweather is nothing but a big Pu$$y.
if floyd is about money why not fight pac and get his 50-60 million payday after al he doesn’t have to share his prize monay right?!! I don’t get it! I think he is contradicting himself now. he is thinking legacy is so much better than tons of money. money can be lost and earned but leagcy comes once in a lifetime. this time he does not want to risk his 0
what intercity you live in?! I’ll tell the dept. of social welfare to look at your location maybe they could help you there. family is a basic unit of the society. you destroy the family, you break the fabric of the society. to exist is better than not to exist kev.
@supreme court come with something better then that you are one lame Mr. Roger in the neighborhoo mf
@supreme If your about the money you will want to be like the mayweathers but you’ll rather have bob arum play with your money and tells you who to fight, wow what a dummy oh yeah golden boy also get their share wow what a double dummy
you don’t have lighting where you at kevy kev? the weather is bad ?! are you outside and typing in the bad weather?!!lol
@supreme court I bet you my life that my family is wwwaaayyyy better then yours, Do you have a momma and daddy in the same home your biological parents what good are they for the society we live in those words can make you regret your existance biatch
@ kevy kev. the only losers are the mayweathers and his fans! in a court of public opinion he is the loser. even his fellow african american espn mike wilbon called him a coward.
@kevy kev
I can guarantee you too that I’m not switching names, I can’t speak for everyone though…
@kevy kev
Dude… ok.. i’ll give you a chance cos I might learn something from you..
Who do you think will win (I know you’ll pick Mayweather) and how (and please don’t just say Pac won’t hit him at all cos of his defense).
@ kevy kev. tell your boy to sign the contract first!!!
I know he is american must be colored too or not. but that’s a big a failure of the family. a broken and dysfunctional family results a kid like kevy kev.
@Kevy kev
LOL! Bwahahahahah!
You’ve watched boxing for 4 years and you are very good at telling who will win right?
LOL!
Effin hell… you crack me us so bad… dude… thank you.. thank you sooooo much!
Boys and girls, I’m going to get back to doing some work..
Peace to everyone and take care of @kevy kev for me while I’m gone…
LOL!
I didnt come on here to be liked by you pack dummies @supreme court I guess you really want to have that position but first you have to graduate in law school and the last time i check this wasnt and it’s not an english class but I bet I’m smarter then you to know who’ll win if manny decides to take the damn test
@ kev
hehe… dude seriously…
@ an honest pacfan
yeah, from the limited experience i’ve had on these forums, you can actually have good debate with guys and learn some things. i’ve had heaps of good discussions with floyd fans that sometimes make me think i’ve been a bit hard on him at times, but thats what its all about.
i dont profess that pacs “guilt free” at all. he has a roll to play as well, but i just feel if mayweather really wanted to fight pac then he would of and could of at any stage.
sorry man, really gotta split this time so talk to ya.
ps. i cant say i’ve heard about that mosley fight
@Chico
I think it would do well too, but a lot of Pac detractors would crucify him for it… but then again I think that’s better than a cotto rematch…
@boxer frankly i dont care what you say dog eaters dog eaters now what that’s what I know. It dont matter what he’s trying to say if I’m wrong about the nego then prove it otherwise stfu
@Chico
I’m not sure.. I don’t thinks so…
Unless someone else here has info…
Is it true that Manny Pacquiao and Sugar Shane Mosely have signed to fight in November 13th 2010?
I didn’t believe it but everybody is talking about it! Can someone point me to an article that confirms this?
I am a HUGE Sugar Shane fan and all of LA would pay to see this one!
Is the rumor true?
@ an honest pacfan
hows it man. if i were you id give up talking to this clown. i regard a guy like kev as someone who has a basic, very basic, understanding of the sport but just cant define the finer details.
i am a pac fan just lik you, but i wouldnt follow him at any cost if i felt he was in the wrong. im sure you would agree.
kev, just go back and have a read at what you’ve both written. in particular yours bud. seriously, comments like “they eat dogs” and “your momma….” make YOU look foolish!
and just in case you dont understand what im saying i’ll make it loud and clear.
YOU’VE JUST BEEN OWNED SON! AN HONEST PACFAN HAS TAKEN YOU TO THE CLEANERS AND IM SURE A FEW FLOYD FANS WOULD AGREE HERE.
the dribble that comes out of your mouth is pathetic!
ps sorry if i dont reply to you again pacfan as im gonna be out of the office. cheers
@kevy kev
LOL! I’ve had enough with you lil kid..
You are to young to have simple logical conversation with..
@honest pacfan well your bedtime is at 8;30 becuz thats about the time over here, I guess you have a habit of not knowing what your talking about
@kevy kev
LOL! you’re still awake.. damnit…
Dude! you really are so slow… I’m telling you not to blame Pac because both of us hasn’t seen the contract..
All I’m saying is you can’t prove your accusation so stop it already..
Atleast I can say that Mayweather himself didn’t complain, so I can assume that he didn’t really have a reason to complain on what ever was put in front of him..
Do you get it now?
And oh wow.. 4 years.. yeeee peee you are such a professional at this.. LOL!
@honest pacfan If jeef mayweather said he didnt agree I’ll believe him before i believe you. If you cant tell me what really in the contract then whywhat are you stating???????? nothing but blublish that’s all, Your making an arguement within a arguement and asking me questions. I’m going off history dummy it means alot you know so what ever you thought you prove yet know one has stated the facts becuz they know your just trying to be an a**. this isnt the first time manny didnt want to test. I’ve been watching boxing 4 yrs I dont need a liar telling me lies from what i get is jayz called you a dummy
Kev????
You still up???
Shhhh people, he’s finally fallen asleep… try not to wake him up..
LOL!
the blame lies with mayweather!! pls no more speculations!!! arum negotiated with gbp(mayweathers agent) a contract was offerred and both agreed by top rank and mayweather’s agent gbp! floyd did not sign the contract! end of story
you say; “Let’s not forget boxing is a sport like no other, the margin between winning and losing is so finite that you have to take advantage of every factor to win”.
yellow floyd can have all the advantages he wants but he must first take the fight if he wants to win. problem is some insist yellow floyd is not scared of pacquiao and what he’s doing is actually part strategy. i’m not buying that.
@kevy kev
You got nothing left do you?
LOL! As I said, go to bed…
And relax a bit too… you might get a heart attack…
Everybody over there eats dogs dogs dogs dogs it’s no secret just dont come over here taking peoples pets
@kevy kev
Here’s more:
1. You don’t know what Pac agreed to (14 days or all the way) because none of us has seen the contract – FACT : Kinda, but not really…. Arum did insinuate that pac agreed to Floyds terms which was complete random test. It would tend to make most believe that pac actually did agree in full.
2. When Mayweather got interviewed, the only thing he said is “I’m not interested… I’m on vacation”… nowhere did he complain about what was offered to him by TOP Rank.. FACT Kinda, but not really.. If we take his comments for what it is an not read into them, he was basically saying leave the hell alone, I don’t want to be bothered, when I’m ready to do something I will when I’m good and ready.
3. You tell us that Pac didn’t agree to the testing that’s why Mayweather didn’t sign..
mmm.. Mayweather didn’t say this.. you did.. so this my friend is NOT FACT.. this is your opinion… Kinda, but not really……. Arum did insinuate that pac agreed to Floyds terms which was complete random test. It would tend to make most believe that pac actually did agree in full.
@honest pacfan what flaws, you tell me short bus rider
@kevy kev
LOL!
You are so hard to feed information to dude..
Look below, Jay-z answered my facts for you, and guess what he doesn’t agree with your argument…
@ kevy kev. you are one ugly human being!! why so much hate and deamean against entire nationality?!! what comes out of your thought and ill wills against a human being much more against a whole nation will be judged by Almighty. I refused to stoop down and resort to name calling and racial slurring against you!! REPENT OR BE JUDGED HARSHLY!! EVERYONE WILL BE ACCOUNTABLE WITH THEIR ACTIONS, WORDS AND THOUGHTS!!!
@Jay-z
LOL! I can only give you respect my friend.
At the moment I just wish this mess is cleared out… If one comes out the guilty side, I have no problem in taking it in..
But at the moment, the weighing scales of truth tend to lean towards the negotiation being existent and Mayweather just didn’t want to take the deal.. for whatever reason.. only he knows.. but I’m disappointed…
@honest pacfan where is your proof to prove me wrong then dog ribs eating b@sterd
My brain hurt trying to figure out this mess. I’m in a mood right now screaming d@mn both of them. But in the morning I’ll be back to my normal self, smashing on pac and doing everything I can to get pac fans to see the light lol.
@Jay-z
It’s all good mate..
I’m sure no matter who we support we should still be able to discuss decently..
It’s all good..
And @kevy kev
Please dude.. give it up… even Jay-z here can tell you the flaw of your arguments…
@honest pacfan man your the dumbest person I’ve ever talk to what I said, If I dont know what’s in the contract you do the honors and tell me what is you wh*re baby
An Honest Pacman Fan yes I am a Floyd fan no doubt. But i’m sipping on this drank and it got me in a f@ck mood. Don’t get it twisted, imma ride with Floyd until the end, down like 4 flat tires and a spare!
@Jay-Z
LOL! You’re funny too! Somebody I can actually discuss logically with..
Hey after all I’ve said to @Kevy kev, there’s only one thing I want at the moment, and I think we’d agree on this too…
I want to see them fight…
@honest pacfan says reach deep in your a** Naw not me but your momma offered to lick my a** but I said hell no she gave good head though, I gave her 2 dimes and a nickel,and she was happy
@kevy kev
Are you reading Jay-Z’s post?
He’s a Mayweather fan like you…
@kevy kev
“well if I dont know please tell me, LOL dummy”
What do you think have I been doing the whole time?
The only problem here is that walls don’t absorb information… and I should have known better….
is jay z violating the law of non contradiction?!!
@kevy kev…
You should ask for some help… Jay-Z here sounds very decent and logical in the basics of back and forth discussion…
@Jay-Z(ya’ll playing checkers, when the game is chess)
Hey I respect your response.
I’m just trying to tell one of your peers (Mayweather fans) to stop it with:
“Pac didn’t agree to random testing, that’s why Mayweather didn’t take the fight”
So hopefully you can help @kevy kev to see the light a bit.
@honest pacfan well if I dont know please tell me, LOL dummy
What good prospects come from the filos oh I know wh*res from the age of 13 to 100 yrs old tryna score with a military guy while ya daddy chops down trees using a knife, Damn what a life
judge judy I think I was absent from the class when the professor discauss that subject!! sorry I will ask judge alex and will get back to you!!!
1. You don’t know what Pac agreed to (14 days or all the way) because none of us has seen the contract – FACT : Kinda, but not really…. Arum did insinuate that pac agreed to Floyds terms which was complete random test. It would tend to make most believe that pac actually did agree in full.
2. When Mayweather got interviewed, the only thing he said is “I’m not interested… I’m on vacation”… nowhere did he complain about what was offered to him by TOP Rank.. FACT Kinda, but not really.. If we take his comments for what it is an not read into them, he was basically saying leave the hell alone, I don’t want to be bothered, when I’m ready to do something I will when I’m good and ready.
3. You tell us that Pac didn’t agree to the testing that’s why Mayweather didn’t sign..
mmm.. Mayweather didn’t say this.. you did.. so this my friend is NOT FACT.. this is your opinion… Kinda, but not really……. Arum did insinuate that pac agreed to Floyds terms which was complete random test. It would tend to make most believe that pac actually did agree in full.
Now, I say all of this to say what? None of us knows. The only person who prob actually know is the head of HBO and he not talking, but hell he not to be trusted either So let it go, f@ck it………All them from the top to the bottom played us as suckers. I wasn’t terribly disappointed because I thought to myself, Floyd would look crazy as hell if he replied to Arum on a deadline. Floyd a grown man, we would have pulled his ghetto pass in the hood if he let that old dude bully him.
judge brown, is you tube a reliable source of information and admissible in the court of law?
@kevy kev
“the FACT of the matter is is that we cant watch the biggest fight becuz pac wont take RANDOM drug test which he had a PAST of not wanting to test becuz he said it makes him weak, all facts buddy”
- See the 2 words I capitalized for you.. get a clue from them..
What’s the facts that are standing at the moment mr. kevy kev?
@honest pacman look i dont care what you is saying, the fact of the matter is is that we cant watch the biggest fight becuz pac wont take RANDOM drug test which he had a past of not wanting to test becuz he said it makes him weak, all facts buddy
@kevy kev
You know the best thing to do in a scenario like this?
Look at what your idol did…. disappear in silence….
LOL!
I don’t give free lesson on this site! but if it may help you enroll in study of logic!!
@Kevy Kev
Don’t you feel foolish now?
You just proclaimed that you owned me but people are already telling you that you are losing.. glad I’m not you!
look at kevy kev you will see son!!!
@judge brown then describe it then
@Kevy kev
You musnt be reading properly. Tell me below which one is not a fact:
1. You don’t know what Pac agreed to (14 days or all the way) because none of us has seen the contract – FACT
2. When Mayweather got interviewed, the only thing he said is “I’m not interested… I’m on vacation”… nowhere did he complain about what was offered to him by TOP Rank.. FACT
3. You tell us that Pac didn’t agree to the testing that’s why Mayweather didn’t sign..
mmm.. Mayweather didn’t say this.. you did.. so this my friend is NOT FACT.. this is your opinion…
so what is argumentum ad hominem judge?
@kevy kev
Your running out of arguments dude..
If you don’t keep it up then you won’t get to see round 12….
I thought you had to state facts, just another pacdummy(s)
in basic logic, kevy kev is committing a fallacy of argumentum ad hominem!!! this is easily discernible by a student of logic!!!
@Kevy kev..
Your embarassing yourself mate…
If you can’t answer my questions then your obviously losing…
Ask me what you want, and I’ll give you my thought… simple as that…
@Kevy kev…
Not facts??
I just listed you facts… what else do you need?
Where’s your facts to prove that Manny didn’t agree this time? This is your argument right? So where can you please point me to it?
what a one lopsided lambasting by honest pac against kevy kev
@honest pacman you are ssssllllooooowwwww okay proofs on youtube look it up dummy and learn from sports period before you try to debate somebody. Your not delivering facts your just asking question, Now go lay down before ya daddy whoop your a** right after he slaps your momma
verdict: the winner by ko is honest pacman against kevy kev!!! in terms of substance in the debate the clear winner is honest pac!!!
@kevy kev
You own me? LOL!
Let the people who read our comments decide that….
Don’t be like your idol proclaiming greatness… while the people around him consider the other guy greater…
@Kevy kev
Kev you just have proven how immature you are.. I don’t talk to kids…
Go back to play school..
LOL!
If you can’t talk without needing to use profanity, then there goes your brain…
How in the world are you using fact when you are putting words in Mayweather’s mouth..
Let me repeat this for you…
1. You don’t know what Pac agreed to (14 days or all the way) because none of us has seen the contract – FACT
2. When Mayweather got interviewed, the only thing he said is “I’m not interested… I’m on vacation”… nowhere did he complain about what was offered to him by TOP Rank.. FACT
3. You tell us that Pac didn’t agree to the testing that’s why Mayweather didn’t sign..
mmm.. Mayweather didn’t say this.. you did.. so this my friend is NOT FACT.. this is your opinion…
Go to sleep… it’s past your bed time…
@honest pacfan how did floyd duck manny. how did you figure that out, oh yeah i forgot bob arum, did floyd said the reason he didnt wanna fight in NOV. Now when bob’s been called a liar, what has bob said recently, man you owned I own your a** retard.
Why is he(FMJ) not thinking about boxing? What about his crusade to clean up the sport? …hmmmmm makes me wonder.
Is somebody LYING or plainly doesnt know what “crusade” means?
pacman said in the interview that he was trying to be hit intentionally so that clottey would open up!!! this catch weight queen is so idiot and gullible!
blood testing immediately after the fight that’s even better!!!
Of corse Pacaiuo is the one I think he should fight but who knows if thats going to happen in the near future. maybe paul williams could give mayweather some compitition. I dont see any one that can give Floyd a competitive fight. He may be boring to watch if all you want is knock outs, but if you appreciate the sweet science he is amazing to watch. When is the last time you saw mayweathers face look like pacs did after clottey busted him up ?
@Kevy kev
“we knew the problem when he decided that he’s afraid of needles but he has tattoo all over his body”
So you heard Mayweather complain about this? or did he just say I’m on vacation?
As far as I know he said he’s on vacation, so he didn’t complain about drug testing.. so why are you putting this as a reason then?
Let’s get this straight… whatever your using as the reason for Mayweather not fight..
Is that coming from Mayweather himself or from you?
this random drug testing is really getting old!!! boxers fight all the time without that bs. every state commissions 50 of them does not require that bs random blood testing!!! it’s a ploy by duckweather to duck pac that’s fact!!!
@Kevy kev
LOL!
It’s just to try and get simple logic out of you dude.. Don’t be mad.. LOL!
See the problem with you is that you insist that noone knows yet you say Manny didn’t agree and so on and so forth..
So how do you know this? All you say is it must have been that way and that’s the reason Mayweather didn’t agree…
See what you’re doing.. your making out your own story to explain Mayweather’s actions..
So I ask you… If Mayweather didn’t complain and say anything about purse splits and drug testing… why are you raising it? You’re a mind reader or something?
test
@honest pacfan what are you a amall time lawyer or something, nobody knows exactly whats been said really. just like me saying the same facts over and over and you tryna build a case like top ranks lawsuit. here’s the answer again, It was nothing to talk about becuz on march13 2009 manny knew what to do to land a fight with floyd, you just now started watching boxing or something, oh you wanna play judge mathis or something, mayweather didnt have to tell eveyone what happened, we knew the problem when he decided that he’s afraid of needles but he has tattoo all over his body, is you slow.
the self proclaimed and delusional greatest of all has to ask for unprecedented usda testing against a smaller fighter that’s unheard of!!! he has lost alot of testosterone indeed!!!
@Kevy kev
Do you want me to repeat the question again?
LOL!
Just answer it…
It’s very simple, did he complain about anything?
If not.. then why are you? So you actually seen the contract? You know what was put infront of him? You know what his real concerns are? You are a joke…
@ george and kevy kev… the whole boxing internet & BOXING NEWS has been blasting your duckweather!!! both of you are pathetic blind follower!!! ESPN: MAYWEATHER IS A COWARD!!! WHY NOT ANSWER THAT DEMEANING NAME CALLING COWARDWEATHER BECAUSE IT’S TRUE!!!
@honest pacfan I think the more of the waiting process it wont happen becuz of the simple fact is that he dont wanna take the drug test and I dont think that sat with the mayweathers that good and he’s still denying to do it manny wont be the first to do it and wont be the last. Ask any doctor or physician if you get hit in the head and he has no defense for all your life as a professional fighter it wears you down, it happens with every fighter not manny, it’s well known. either you get old or u suffer too many punches. this behavior if it’s true can really damage manny life becuz you’ll have alot of medical problems as you get older, freddie roach as an example, but deep down in freddie’s heart he cares for the person manny is, bob only cares for the money maker. even if roach aint saying nothing he has medical problems and loves to land a big payday but he needs his job.
Hey George
Just relaxxxxxx…
breath and be positive. Mother sun loves you still.
get a video game and play and try to think no boxing
You can,
can u practice Yoga?
U must to.
relax honey
=)
@kevy kev
Let me ask you again.. it’s a very simple question…
Did Mayweather complain about anything at all when he was interviewed?
@ george: How can you say that floyd is better than pacman when he’s been ducking pacman?
@honest pacman fan becuz the simple fact that it’s nothing to discuss. He knew, angain he knew what it took to land a fight with floyd what the problem is that apparently bob lied thru the media man and had yall believing that everything is going great. Bob arum and roach got it planned out, they dont wanna fight floyd until manny decides to retire meaning he wants floyd last “they say”, I think they dont want the fight. Raoch said it himself in a interview. I get info from the horses mouth, another thing is manny was recently “before the 2nd nego” that this will be his last fight, he so-called had to get premmision from his mom, I could only imagine what arum told pac when he said that.
@ catch weight queen pacauio: Who do you think mayweather would fight, the winner of calderon and segurra?
@kevy kev
Hey I was wondering, did Mayweather complain about purse splits and drug testing when he got interviewed?
Damnit Pac… why don’t you just take it…
Oh hold on… all Mayweather said was that he’s on vacation…
So why are we bringing up drug test and purse split again? I think I’m lost…
If so-called pacdummies wanna see the fight, they should tell lil rat boi to take the damn tests RANDOMLY ok. Most pacfans already has and bob telling them apparently lies, the media spinning junky who blood sucks the fans so he can sit on his old a** and lie, and got his fans once again looking stupid. If bob cares for his fans, why is he willing to go to mexico to fight? I thought his new home was dallas, I know he’s going where the change at becuz I know those tickets is about $5.oo bucks apeice.
Yes jazz I do see a pattern! Manny will fight some one he already beat(cotto), some one coming off a big loss(mosley), OR a great fighter that has to lose alot of weight. And the other side is a pattern too ..Floyd will fight the best like he did in mosley(too good for pac), and that person will become a shot fighter only after yall say he will demolish Floyd..So yes I do see a pattern!
@George
In case you come back..here’s another example of heart:
- Get a smaller opponent to go up your weight division and go over the contracted weight at the same time…
LOL!
Hey george.. you didn’t shy away did you????
Woo hoo.. come on george.. I need more laughs….
@Catch weight queen pacaiuo
“All this is a smear campain against Floyd”
- Sucks doesn’t it, doesn’t that sound like the PED smear campaign that they started?
Have you asked yourself why they only came out now? When the supposed negotiation has been goin on for so long..
Have you asked who issued the gag order and what it was for?
Have you asked why GBP (Schaeffer and Dela Hoya) got quoted on hinting about the negotiation?
Have you asked why all Mayweather could say was “I’m not interested….”?
Well we can all have opinions, and that’s yours, so I suppose I’ll have to respect it eh…
Its time to move forward and stop crying over a spilled milk.
So there is big possibility that PAC would either meet Margarito and Cotto on his next fight.
Strange. Margarito and Cotto were the same guys that Pink FLoyd avoided before going to his first semi retirement.
I wonder who will be Pink Floyd’s next fight is after his second semi retirement (after avoiding PAC). Can you see a pattern here!!!!!!!!!
They (Greedy Bob & co.) never had negotiations with team Mayweather. All this is a smear campain against Floyd. Nothing more than that. All Bob did was issue ultimatums and threats to fight some else. All this after HE said we aint gonna negotiat in the media!! Floyd is and always has been the man! He aint pressured by Top Ranks bs! Good for him I say! There is enuff cash to go around in this deal. That said Floyd should get the bigger share of the purse because more pay to see him fight. Thats right PAY!! Its not a popularity contest, Google hits no matter, you tube or whatever dont matter..ITS the paying public that makes these guys money so the bigger draw gets more. sorry to bring up the ped issue but cmon man! If the man is clean-WHY FIGHT IT THEN! If you guilty you threaten to sue and issue dates for cuttoff and stuff. Micheal phelps took ped tests BETWEEN events! Could you imagine him crying like a little bi@#h-Im scared of needles or blood! Dont buy into that stuff..With millions to be made, alot and I mean alot of athletes be juicing to get an edge.And most dont get caught! Tell me what yall think of this! I know Floyd is scared or a coward! At least he had the sack to fight mosley!
@George
And you call me stupid…
Let me see.. you think 2-2 Mayweather wins..
mmmm..
I think even a 2nd grader can tell you that 2 – 2 is even…
Is that also how you thought that Marquez won against Pac? LOL!
Good… your arguments are pretty lame but keep them up because it gives me a good laugh… what a way to start my day.. thanks!
@jesusjones no none of your boyfriends isnt allowed potna, but investigate your wife or girlfriend eeewwww, I betcha she’s phucking lmao
@ an honest pactard
i listen to ur mother very well lol, its amazing how $tupid a person could be, u say pacquiao has HEART, WHAT HEART, a person that makes up things and lies on public has no heart, wow like lying by saying that pacquiao agreed to all terms floyd’s terms and not being true its cold, just to make someone else look bad when clearly team pacquiao knew floyd was on vacation, ppl that do PED’s have no heart either
here’s more: all of his uncles and family and all the kings horses and all the king’s men could not put humpty dumpty together again…
@George
“THATS KINDA A FACT”
LOL! Do you even listen to yourself… LOL!
SPEED: FLOYD = 1 – 0
STAMINA: SAME – EVEN
HAND SPEED: PCQUIAO = 1- 1
DEFENCE: DO I HAVE TO ANSWER, FLOYD = 2 – 1
POWER: SLIGHTLY PACQUIAO = 2 – 2
BETTER OVERALL: FLOYD??? = it’s suppose to be even isn’t it… I think you should learn to add
But hold on.. there is one more thing..
HEART: DO I HAVE TO ANSWER, PAC = 3 -2
Over all Pac wins… LOL!
@ AN HONEST PACTARD
THATS KINDA A FACT, FLOYD IS A BETTER BOXER THAN THE “PAPER CHAMP”
SPEED: FLOYD
STAMINA: SAME
HAND SPEED: PACQUIAO
DEFENCE: DO I HAVE TO ANSWER, FLOYD
POWER: SLIGHTLY PACQUIAO
BETTER OVERALL: FLOYD
some boxers are just a lot luckier than the rest. smart fighter, good defense, speed, power, multi-dimentional fighther,(whatever that means), best tactician and a lot more. and when he’s not willing to take a fight for some reason only he knows, his father always comes to the rescue and takes his place. now if that’s not adorable????? ur take…
@George
No george… that’s not a fact.. that’s your opinion… am I right or am I right? LOL!
HEY 8 COUNT
WHY ARE U BUTT HURT? ARE U STILL BUTT HURT FROM LAST TIME I WAS MAKING FUN OF UR MAMA LOL, EVERYTIME U ENTER THIS SITE IS IF LIKE U LOOK FOR ME LOL, DONT WORRY TELL UR MOTHER I HAVE THE RENT MONEY FOR HER TODAY, AND I WONT BE HOME TILL MIDNIGHT
why don’t he pick his own size and not a woman
that demon roger grabbed my neck from behind and choked me until I couldn’t breathe!
Maybe I’ve missed something but anyone else notice Pac isn’t talking much either? Everything seems to be addressed by Arum. I find it a little suspicious. Floyd stepped up earlier this yr and tried to make the fight happen but Pac’s camp denied him. Now they return to his doorstep, knowing full well he’s on vacation, asking to do business on THEIR desired date (Nov. 13th). Sounds more like a gridlock than anything. I give them credit for keeping the door open for Floyd though. Hopefully they can finally agree next yr. I wish people would stop playing the blame game. They just need to agree on a date and terms, that’s all. Maybe that’s easier said than done but we shouldn’t act like either fighter owes us anything. They’ve risked their life many times in the ring. They’ve done enough to earn their fortune.
i think its unfair how all the blame goes to floyd, when clearly its the overated pinoys fault or his promoter’s fault, they openly said that they Accepted floyd’s terms but it was not true, just to make floyd look bad, thats some phuc up $hit, THEY ACCEPTED TO DO THE RAMDOM BLOOD TEST TILL THE DAY OF THE FIGHT, FALSE, THEY ACCEPT 50/50 SPLIT, FALSE
he wants to get in to the ring but flodie is ducking him
the fact is when it comes to boxing, floyd would pick pacquiao apart……
Im on vacation! Don’t worry, ya’ll hear from me soon and so will Manny. Peace!
I see like this and u can youtube it yourself, and by the way i like both fighters. Roach says who in the fu99 he think he is fu99 him he not the athletic commision we dont half to do what he says, now they said we would do 14days, so u are doing what he ask so why if u are say u want a 14 daycutt period it makes no sense but innocent till proven guilty this is america
ols..pls..pls..give him some testoterone he becomes completely a p u s s y..!!lol
I’ll give it to you,all Matweather fans…you have bigger balls
than your boy.Still defending him afterall these! That’s a gutsy move.You should lend some of your balls to him and he might man-up.
There was a NEGOTIATION.Remember in June when Shaefer said that
a “gag” order was issued! Why issue such order if there is no negotiation.Wake up fellows…We’ve been taken for a ride.
What’s wrong when having to have his blood tested right after the fight? Most Olympic medalist were caught with PEDs only after they were tested after the competition..so if Manny is willing to be tested right after the fight then that should be more than enough…
I REST MY CASE YOUR HONOR……….. ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@ Kevy Kev
LOL! Your only friend is a mirror.
LMAO! Floyd Sr. just called manny Pacquaio a b1tch for not fighting Floyd Jr. during a phone interview. He also added Kobe Bryant on the b1tch list. Someone take the tylenol bottle away from this cat. LMAO!
the cutoff point was packs down fall “24day” becuz of the cycle down processing any boxer that ever boxed didnt fight to lose, but what I dont get about manny is the fact he wanted the tests to be on a date when he knew they were coming. Everytime USADA came for testing manny pac wanted a set time and date period. that’s not cool, millions of boxing fans knows this, so that right there anybody “even if you have a half of a brain” knows something smell suspicous, but manny/arum can go ahead and play crazy but his ppv numbers really gonna drop.
And ducker, nobody ducked more clearly than my man pac. Shane wanted to fight twice, but pac ducked those bombs of Shane.
Nobody changes numbers like my buddy Arum. The master of boasting bigger numbers lol
lie la lie, lie la lie lie la lie, lie la lie
numbers don’t lie, only the people who changed the numbers lie
“LOL” Jay Z quotes. Unreal. Ill be on the golf course. Really though.
-VERY LAST POST
Jay Z. Too funny
lol, bro you don’t have to believe me lol, look at the numbers lol. Jay said it best, “men lie, women lie, but the numbers don’t lie.”
@JB
I hear your point and agree with it. Bottom line is they need to fight. I’ve only had 3 posts all together in my life and they have been on this site. Good work. Im out.
-Plus loved the Ward shout out. As a bay area guy he is coming into his own.
-Peace
others? I don’t believe you jay-z nobody believes you
Manny will never have the balls to fight floyd he is a coward who needs peds to win big fights!
mayweather will NEVER manny.floyd will decide the time to fight him is when manny has announced his genuine retirement from boxing.floyd mayweathers legacy will mean nothing 41-0-AFRAID TO FIGHT MANNY…
HugeHolyfield your name indicates you are not too good at making wise choices. As I said earlier, you can not dispute
1. Name always will be tainted with possible peds usage. pac was forced to drop lawsuit, Mayweathers still making claims and nothing pac can do about it.
2. Floyd and pac both fought different men this year, Floyd gamble paid off most because he killed pac in PPV numbers.
3. Lebron James held his sport by the balls until he made a decision, and the world patiently waited for him. Floyd showed he is the biggest star of boxing, everybody else in the game was eagerly waiting Floyd decision before they could make solid decisions that would affect their lives.
Your opinion of who you believe to be the better fighter is just that, your opinion. I and others believe opposite as you.
but when we since Dec 09, who has made the most money, most PPV buys, it is Floyd. Money trumps everything else. And in the end, both men have battle scars, some people think floyd ducked, some people think pac is on peds. So they cancel eachother out. the only real thing is money, and Floyd won in that department. If pac wants to one-up Floyd he has to fight a Williams, Bradley or Berto. Cotto and Margicheato is not going to do it.
“JAY Z”
“PBF is playing chess”
-I dont know about all that. To me its a stupid fiscal move to wait until next year for this fight. To many what if’s. What if manny losses? What if manny gets hurt? What if manny retires? What if…. The iron is as hot as its gonna get with this fight. Get it done. Make your money. The Lebron James comparison, although meant to be creative isnt even close to what PBF is doing. #1 reason is there is a man challenging him who is considered by many, many fans,experts,pro athlete’s to be better than him. It isnt just PBF bringing the noise for this ticket. Better believe Pacman is as well. This random blood test is a joke. He just fought a guy who has done juice and had no problems with a cut off date of 18 days. That is a fact. He throws fake bills around in clubs. Fact. He came in over wieght against a 130 pound fighter who ballooned up. FACT. And last but not least. He declined a personal challange from what I and many others believe is by far and away the best fighter in the world. That to is a fact. Check Mate!!!
Plus: his last two oppenents have a combined age 75 years old… I doubt pacman is afraid…..
-If you want to watch a show get a ticket in vegas for the lion king. We as real fight fans want these two guys to get it on.
BIG DOG55
man i have watched your posts and i can tell that you have a true hatred for floyd, and here are some more FACTS FOR YOU TO MISS, floyd was accused of ducking margarito,by pac fans floyd was accused of ducking cotto by pac fans, floyd is accused of ducking pacquiao, by pac fans and even though these 3 fighters all fight different there has to be a reason why floyd can never come to terms on a fight with either of the 3, and that 1 thing that they have in common is BOB ARUM
YOU CALL FLOYD SCARED AND I SAY ASK THE 40 PLUS GUY’S THAT HE SPANKED IF HE IS SCARED TO FIGHT, if leonard ellerbe came out and said floyd was scared of pacquiao because pac was too good for him you would have that statement blown up and put on a bilboard, but freddie roach said mosley was too good for pac and you swept that under the rug, floyd is not going to fight top rank fighters due to bob arum floyd dumped his ass and he is very bitter and now you think arum is going to put money in floyds pockets GET THE HELL OUTTA HERE
Unca raja is going to jail, baby floyd needs a new trainer.
If Roach moves to Baby Floyd’s side, then the fight will happen.
yeah I agree with you joker fvck them both! lets move on
mannys want all the advantages or is it floyd?
floyds preference is not fighting pac now. He wants to fight pac if pac s retired.
Manny pacaiuo will fight any one out there !! He would fight both klitchko bros…as long as it was at a catch weight of like 140!! manny gets to pick the glove size, the purse split, the venue, the judges..EVERYTHING! If you dont agree than you are a pu$$y, you are scared..You dont want to fight..He wants all the advantages and at least 50% of the money cause ppv dont mean nothing!!
None of this matters because Floyd is a big fat p u s s y AND a coward!
@@ bigdog55—– Pacquiao was forced to drop the defamation lawsuit, and now his lawyers are trying to make it a conspiracy lawsuit, which will also be dropped, because, he will have to prove that the mayweathers,(Jr., Sr., and Roger) along with GBP( schaefer, and de la hoya), got together and conspired to ruin pacquiao’s name, no way they can prove that in a court of law, so just like arum, pacquiao’s legal team is milking him for every dollar they can…
BigDog55, Wow, that attack caught me off guard. But anyway, lets speak history and facts, not opinions ok.
1. Floyd wanted to fight Shane a long time ago, Shane turned Floyd down. that is a true fact Mr.
2. The lawsuit has been dropped because of a countersuit, pac accused the Mayweather of ped usage(when he said it, he didn’t mean it to come out like it did, but when the words are on paper, he made the same accusation), keep current with topics Mr.
3.It’s unfair to say Floyd fight only for money. The reason pac not fighting Bradley, Williams, Berto (according to his promoter) is that there is not enough money to be made. So every fighter fight for money, not charity sir.
4. Hopefully before jumping all over me, you will devote the same amount of time and effort to do your homework Mr.
Now Mr. BigDog55 what I have just said to you is not my own thought, but facts that you can gather from your many resources available to you. Now, if you choose to respond, let it be with facts relevant to the facts I just tossed at you.
have a good day Mr.
I have the score 3-0 Floyd.
1. Name always will be tainted with possible peds usage. pac was forced to drop lawsuit, Mayweathers still making claims and nothing pac can do about it.
2. Floyd and pac both fought different men this year, Floyd gamble paid off most because he killed pac in PPV numbers.
3. Lebron James held his sport by the balls until he made a decision, and the world patiently waited for him. Floyd showed he is the biggest star of boxing, everybody else in the game was eagerly waiting Floyd decision before they could make solid decisions that would affect their lives.
In a games of chess, Floyd’s brilliant moves is actually ‘Check’. Once Floyd announce who he will fight next(better than Cotto and Margicheato) it will be ‘Mate.’
All big time promoters are crooks that’s y they make the big bucks
arum is the catfish of boxing. A true bottom feeding scavenger.
Arum is goin to do what’s best for his pockets…and I don’t blame him! Y fight floyd now?
words from bob arum’s mouth years ago: “Yesterday I was lying; today I am telling the truth.”
THAT SHOULD TELL U EVERYTHING
Why would arum have pac fight Floyd now?!?!?