Did Pacquiao blow the Mayweather negotiations by asking for an even 50-50 split?
July 19th, 2010
By Chris Williams: Although we still don’t know what the particulars were of the 2nd failed negotiations between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao, things could have taken a turn for the worse when/if Pacquiao asked for a 50-50 cut of the revenue. There was talk previously about Pacquiao wanting nothing less than a 50-50 deal with Mayweather, and if that was the case, that right there might well have been enough to turn Mayweather off for the fight.
Bob Arum says he’s going to revisit the negotiations for a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight next year in May, but if Arum is offering mostly the same old negotiation terms that were used in the first failed negotiations in January, then he probably needs to save himself the time by not bothering.
I think Mayweather is willing to walk away from the countless millions he would make in a fight with Pacquiao unless he gets a bigger cut. Arum, or in this case Ross Greenburg, might be able to put together a deal where Mayweather gets 55 to Pacquiao’s 45. That might work well enough to satisfy Mayweather.
However, getting Pacquiao to agree to that will be a problem if he’s stubborn about it. Pacquiao will be fighting either Miguel Cotto or Antonio Margarito next. If that fight does poorly, then it will give Mayweather one more reason to ask for the bigger cut of the pie. Unless Arum and Pacquiao acknowledge that Mayweather is the bigger pay per view attraction, this fight will likely never get made.
Anytime you have a fighter that is bringing in less money in PPV fights than another, one of the fighters is going to want the bigger money. That’s just normal. And when you throw in the fact that one of the fighters is also unbeaten, it makes it even more of a compelling reason why the unbeaten star should get the bigger money.
It would be better if Pacquiao and Arum acknowledge that Mayweather is the bigger PPV money maker, and then take the smaller money so this fight can be made in May 2011. It’s too late to put the fight together now, but Arum and Pacquiao can at least learn from this.
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we are getting used to it, we know who are the reals who really don’t like Pacquiao and Chris Williams is one. there is absolutely no rational explanation on Floyds refusal, Mr. Chris, please take note that Manny is FOTD and FOTY P4P#1 WBO belt title holder, Floyd is NOT FOTD Floyd is NOT FOTY Floyd is NOT P4P #1 Floyd has NO champion Belt, and al youve got is PPV paper material, and u r trying to insinuate he has an overall edge here and Pac does not deserve 50/50 oh boy ! give us a break man, don’t be too obvious on your hate make it subtle please, some readers have basic intelligence don’t forget about it
Chris Williams, you’re such an ignoramus… it’s pretty obvious how biased you are against pac and such a floyd d*ck sucker. Writers like you truly disgust me… does anyone even take this guys’ articles seriously?????? now, everytime i see an article by this douche-bag i just skip it and go to the next one… this guy is such a looser.
The author is the biggest buyer of whatever Mayweather trash he shoves out. When he came out of retirement he says he misses and loves the sport,then he’s cleaning the sport, now he’s taking time off and not thinking of boxing. This author bought all of those bs. How pathetic.
everyone arguing on here are a bunch of major douches, nobody knows with any certainity what kind of talks really went on so all the speculating is pointless, all that matters is that as of this moment there is no fight, really who gives 2 $hits about anything else, they either fight or they don´t, period.
@ bottom feeder
my point dude, which i thought was pretty clear, was that there were talks between both parties, team pac and team money THROUGH ross greenberg. thats all dude. you harped on yesterday and again today that “arum didnt talk directly to GBP therefore theres no deal” etc…. SO WHAT?! that doesnt mean that talks arent being done, just simply that there is a mediator and they talk INDIRECTLY to each other through that mediator!
you then “STOPED THE PRESS” with a tirad about what ellerbe said which was basically PLAYING DUMB and denying any negoiatations ever took place. my comments which you aliken to what was it, a dull knife in a shed, was that they must have known about negioatations as OSCAR COMMENTED ON THEM!
how is that information useless? the head of the company representing mayweather comes out and says the deal looks good then mayweathers manager says “we never heard s**t someones lying!”
now im no detective bottom feeder but something doesnt add up here man, dont you think? or am i lying??
since mayweathers heiatus he has only fought 2 times with 0 KO’s against two of boxings best but oldest fighter one of which was brought up 2 weight classes even then mayweather weighed in 2 lbs over weight limit.
Pacquiao in the same time has faught 6 times with 4 KO’s fighting mostly (with the exception of Diaz and Clottey who is a top fighter but not in same catagory as Cotto JMM ODLH) elite opponents who were mostly(ODLH) in their prime.
Pacquiao is clearly #1 P4P fighter because he is more active, against fresher opponents, with more dominent preformences.
Nice chatting you with bottom feeder, I too is guilty of quick judgement. But I hope that Floyd will find his way or courage to swallow his pride and fight Pacquiao. Ironically, louis and schmeling became best of friends and schmeling paid louis’ funeral expenses due to louis IRS troubles.
I don’t want to listen to anyone. No amount of explanation can take away the fact that floyd jr is a fraud, over-rated, a ducker and a coward. I don’t want to hear any thing more.
bottomfeeder, also Pacquiao could win another title for himself and cement his legacy then retire. Floyd sees titles as nothing but dust collectors. I beg to disagree on that and that’s why he seemed to attract more criticism. He seemed to forget his history that whites and blacks and everyone in the US celebrated when Joe Louis defeated Hitler’s master race fighter Max Schmeling. Or when the USA defeated Russia in 1980 winter olympics.
I blame Floyd’s father on this. He created a boxing monster that eats everyone that gets its way.
well how come floyd doesn’t say a word about the contract?!!! he could have said we didn’t agree with purse split! he just said I’m on vacation!! he neither refutes anything. and espn called him a coward why no response?!!!
yeah bro Cotto has a legitimate claim, but he just got smashed a few months ago. If I was Cotto I would want a revenge match too, because pac smoked him like a high school senior skipping class for the day. But in all truth, Cotto can’t beat pac.
and I would be saying the exact same thing if the shoe was on the other foot. Arum said plain as day, Bradley, Williams, Berto, Khan does not generate enough what? Money for them to fight pac. It’s all about money. If it don’t make dollars it don’t make sense(cents)
Bottomfeeder, I agree with you on Margarito but not on Cotto. Cotto has a legitimate claim to challenge Pacquiao since he’s the champ of a different division. Most notably, fighting Cotto at 154 lbs would silence his critics on catchweight bs.
boxer, neither man will get it ‘their way’ but in the history of corrupt boxing, he who brings in the most money gets the bigger purse. Not saying it right or wrong, but thats the history of the sport. And when it come to money, thats a history boxing will not change. They may adapt blood testing etc., but money is money, they will never change who gets more.
airdukes, absolutely correct my friend. Floyd and ODL know how Arum operates and they don’t trust him none what so ever. Arum put them on, he feels they owe him. From the outside looking in this is complete BS. I will continue to support both fighters, but I wouldn’t pay for a cotto rematch or a margicheato match with my buddy Boxer money. Give me anything other than cotto and brick hand margicheato.
boxer for whatever reason you are trying to make a point which is like the dull knife in the shed, useless. Me, you and none of us were on the other end listening in to phone conversations, nor were any of us invited to any conversations that took place. What we do know is Arum did a interview yesterday, now today GBP has issused a statement. One thing is clear, Arum never talked directly to the people who could make a decision. Now tell me i’m lying! Arum did not, for the biggest fight perhaps in history, talk directly to the only ones who could make a decision. And from the statement released today, that confirms what arum said to be true, he did not talk to GBP or Mayweathers. And yes, due to the bad blood, GBP is overall representing Floyd in this negotiating process. Now thats factual sh1t, tell me i’m lying!
@ Bottomfeeder,
From Floyd and ODLH’s perspectives, I would walk out on Arum if he’s sucking me dry on my hard-earned money and not giving me the best options or fights out there.
From Arum’s perspective, I made those guys famous and my bag of tricks in negotiations made them greater than before. If not for me they are nobodies.
From outside looking in, both sides position themselves to suport their assertions. Unfortunately, the house most likely will win (famous quote in the movie Casino). Meaning, like it or not, you need that necessary evil to move forward. Stallone was a genius boxing script writer for making that Rocky Movies.
Anyhow, Arum or ODLH will try to make money as much as he can but I believe that’s why you need to be smarter as an individual and take those opportunities while they’re still hot (and be wise on how you would spend those $$$$ to avoid being Rock in Rocky V). Right now, Floyd is on the other side of that spectrum for not accepting that fight. Anyhow, he might have a valid reason. But for the sake of negotiations (and his fans) he should have made his intentions known earlier before going through lots of hoops to get pacman and floyd fight.
@ bottom feeder
yes i do agree with your last statement to a certain degree. but u cant seem to realise that whilst “everybody are liars etc…” that floyd and team mayweather are immune.
if floyd really wanted to fight manny he would of dude. its as simple as that.
yes, he didnt get it all his way, but neither did manny.
the only one sucking anything here is Floyd sucking his own pencil schwanz. it´s only a matter of time until he blows all his money and will be begging Manny for a fight, watch and learn chumps
@ bottom feeder
this is what u said yesterday.
“Mayweather isn’t with GBP (GBP is handling the negotiations however)”.
that is what YOU SAID right?!
i never said floyd WAS with GBP, i just said he gets them to promote on a fight by fight basis, right!
you admit that GBP promotions were involved in the negtiations, then using all the intelligence in your small minded brain, since richard schaefer IS THE CEO of GBP dont you think he would in some way be involved???!!!
but wait, theres more!
“Golden Boy Promotions has had NO talks with Arum. So there is NO agreement with Golden Boy waiting for Floyd to sign. Arum admitted it himself he never talked to Golden Boy or Mayweather. How could Golden Boy make an agreement with Arum when they didn’t speak in the first place?”
dude, are you serious! arum admits he never spoke with anyone directly but through ross greenberg – who he says spoke to haymon – who ellerbe says he talks to reguarly with schaefer – who works for oscar – who said a deal was close to being done!
follow the trail bottom feeder. i think it this case man oscar let the cat out of the bag.
ODL walked out on Arum, Floyd walked out on Arum, they went thru a tennis match fighting eachother over who was gonna get exclusive rights to pac(split deal, arum gets his percent and GBP get ther percent off of pac). This is bad blood we talking about. Years of bitterness. But with pac giving arum and GBP a percent of his fight money, that is highway robbery and both GBP and Arum should be ashamed of themselves for taking dude to the bank everytime he fights.
boxer, all of them are lying, arum to a greater degree. arum is the one who needs to sells tickets for a fight this year, arum has to put bodies in seats asap. This is boxing, once ran by the mafia, everybody lie, cheat, steal and deceive. Boxer, does that answer your question? Arum stealing and beating all his TR fighters, Don King beat and stole from Tyson, the list goes on. It’s professional unregulated boxing, everybody lies, cheats, and steals.
@ Bottomfeeder,
No problem.
We can agree that we want this fight. Bob is Bob and so as Dela hoya. We can argue our position and say in plain english (or black and white) and still end up in miscommunication. I would say personalities and background are two known elements that are killing this fight. Floyd Sr started that Peds accusation without any shed of merits. Pacquiao on the other hand took great offense on that comments. If I recall my boxing history, Ali made fun most of all of his opponents but he dare not accused anyone of any wrong doing or illegal activities. In fact,he change his name and went to prison to honor his belief
@george
“FLOYD WAS ALREADY THE P4P KING SINCE LIKE 04″
Who gave that title to him? the same people who gave to manny? I thought they’re irrelevant… as what the floyd fans are saying P4P title for manny is overrated so I guess floyd was overrated back then too!
@ bottom feeder
i’ve seen what espn have written and i agree with it. arum is trying to keep his fights “in house” IF the mayweather fight doesnt materalise. no?
yes, i agree that arum is a crook, just like ellerbe, schaefer and haymon!
but that peice doesnt say s**t about the talks dude. its more about what arum is trying to set up post mayweather.arum has stated that the contract was sent through to floyd via greenberg. now i doubt that the head of HBO would want to be implicated in lies, dont you. just wait and see what greenberg says!
do you notice how im considering all facts dude. yes i support pacman but not at all costs.
nobody knows what the contract has on it, bar the people in the know. what has came out from arum is that he doesnt think the random testing is the issue anymore, therefore suggesting that pacquiao accepted what mayweather demanded. could arum be lying? yes he could. but then why wouldnt ellerbe just say the contract wasnt up to scratch? pretty simple answer dont you think. just say pac didnt accept random testing amongest other things and the public would have understood that.
but no, he didnt. all we get is this lame a** excuse that talks never took place! and guys lik u believe that!
my statement remains the same. de la hoya made a statement WHICH ARUM REFERED TO that he thought the deal was close to being done! as i’ve said schaefer and haymon and ellerbe talk reguarly that ellerbe himself stated. again dude, WHOOSE LYING!
Floyd said himself his on vacation, he want time with his family let him be! And I don’t agree with ESPN saying Floyd s a coward or avoiding pacquio. And certainly has nothing to do with da negotiation. He just made a lot of money 2onths ago. Don’t worry lads they’ll fight next summrr.
but d@mn it fells good to come here and know you can have great debates among true fans. I will volley with Ryan anyday, he is a good dude and always make you see his point of view (even if he wrong lol
)But the bommom line is we all want great entertainment. I’m upset with all the great talent out there we have to settle for cotto or margicheato.
To george says:
July 19, 2010 at 5:53 pm
“ARUM IS BS, I KNEW FROM LONG AGO BUT ALL THESE PACTARDS ARE REALLY $TUPID AND HAVE NO BOXING KNOWLEDGE, HALF OF ALL OF THE STRATING WATCHING BOXING WHEN PACQUIAO BEAT OLD SKINNY DEHYDRATED OSCAR, LOL ITS HILARIOUS AND RIDICOULES”
How sure are you that Golden Boy and Team Mayweather are not BSing us as well? Do you have reasonable knowledge that they are telling the truth and not Arum and Team Pacquiao?
Based on your comments above, Filipinos have been watching boxing even before the time of the Great Flash Elorde. You probably have not heard of him? Didn’t Oscar challenged and agreed on the catchweight? You seemed to have a selective memory or you don’t any angles to sell other than PPV Sells?
airdukes I said blow me because you are being irritating. That’s just the truth. Not Arum truth where “yesterday I was lying, today I’m telling the truth.” It erks me when a mans direct quotes are in the press, black and white and people still act like they can’t grasp nor understand basic concepts. For what it’s worth, I apologize if I hurt your feeling, perhaps I took my frustrations out on you. But in truth, thats me, I’m the buddy we can argue today and be friends tomorrow, a friend to the end. So excuse me if I came out of pocket.
@ bottomfeeder,
Since you brought that racial comments. I’m as well appalled by any racial comments here. However, you taught someone a lesson or two on racial issue. But why in the word, it’s ok for you to post “blow me?” Isn’t double standards?
ARUM IS BS, I KNEW FROM LONG AGO BUT ALL THESE PACTARDS ARE REALLY $TUPID AND HAVE NO BOXING KNOWLEDGE, HALF OF ALL OF THE STRATING WATCHING BOXING WHEN PACQUIAO BEAT OLD SKINNY DEHYDRATED OSCAR, LOL ITS HILARIOUS AND RIDICOULES
airdukes, i’m really trying here bro. But you wearing my patience. How do you decline something you not a formal part of? Dude, seriously, everybody is talking about it. Arum tried a angle, it didn’t work. He accomplished what he wanted to do which is to promote pac/cotto 2 or pac/margicheato and attempt to make it appear as if he tried a Floyd fight. 1 plus 1 is 2. That’s not hard to understand is it? So take what we all know now and put it together, Arum is a liar.
@ george,
I thought Ryan made that clear last time that they are not that far off after ODLH fight. Anyhow, I’m just positioning that Team Pacquiao feel that they have more angles and marketability than just PPV Sales; therefore, they deserve a 50/50 split on the revenue.
Bottomline, Floyd can continue to brag about his PPV Sales and him being the greatest. But he declined to accept Pacquiao’s challenge just as he declined on Cotto’s back then. True fighter most likely accept that fight and as a businessman I would make sure that floyd and pacman will meet three times…to make more $$$$$
boxer you may want to check ESPN. The answer you seek is there. It is confirmed, Arum is a liar. There is no need to continue to bombard you with information. Check it out for yourself buster.
TEAM PACQUIAO ARE THE PHUKIN LIARS AND CROOKS, ARUM DISGUSTESS ME THE WAY HE LIED JUST TO MAKE FLOYD LOOK BAD, I THINK THE OLD MAN IS STILL MAD CUZ FLOYD LEFT TOP RANK, AFTER ALL FLOYD WAS THE BEST FIGHTER HE EVER HAD
STOP THE PRESS! BOTTOM FEEDER UR AN IDIOT!
so what if ellerbe said their were no talks! do u think that team floyd dont lie??
i never said arum is a saint, he is a bloody crook. but hes no different than anyone else, period.
the FACT is oscar de la hoya, you know the owner of golden boy promotions, came out and said a deal was close to being done! why the F**k would he say that if it wasnt true??
ellerbe stated that he, floyd, haymon and schaefer talk regularly. now schaefer works for oscar and oscar said a deal was close to being done!!!!
ask yourself, WHOOSE LYING!
you only see it one way you clown!
@AIR DUKES
FRANKLY I DONT GIVE A PHUC IF U AGREE WITH ME OR NOT LETS GET THAT STRAIGHT, I MADE JUST A LIL EXAMPLE ABOUT THE “CAR DEALING” BUT NOT A FACTOR, I DISAGREE WITH UR COMMENT ABOUT PACQUIAO ATRACTS MORE PPL OUTSODE BOXING MAYBE IN THE PHILIPINES AND I KNOW HE HAS MORE FANS BUT THAT HE ATRACTS MORE MEDIA AND OTHER STUFF NOPE…FLOYD IS HATE BY LOTS OF PPL, BUT HE HAS A BIG AMOUNT OF FANS AS WELL…….AND U KNOW WHAT SMART GUY, WHO HAS BETTER AND BIGGER PPV NUMBERS…YEAH I THOUGH SO FLOYD DOES AND BY ALOT
@airdukes
I will keep this simple and short. My name bottom feeder I took in defense of Filipino men, women, and children. I myself am Black, African American. I work in the construction business. there are those in the business who actually refer to Filipino people here in america as ‘bottom feeders’, they say they are ‘taking the jobs.’ the young man who was here posting felt, Filipino, felt justified in referring to blacks as ni@@ers. I had to correct the young man and point out to him that all yellow and brown races here face the same struggles. I am a college graduate, BGS in Networking and Telecommunications. So dude before you judge me based soley off me busting your chops for saying something dumb in here, you might want to check my much older(days, weeks) post and understand the man you are talking to. I don’t racist, no matter what your color is. So now shall we continue?
tsk,tsk,tsk.You baloney will never stop.It means only one thing,your boy is a COWARD.
at george,
Another good example is Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods and others. They make more money in endorsing products than playing their respective sports. But they need to excel on their respective sports to maintain that brand name. Bottomline, Team Pacquiao believe that he’s more marketable than Floyd outside of boxing and could probably attract more fans to the boxings industry just because of his appeal. Therefore, what pacquiao lacks in PPV sales, he excel in endorsing products. Have you seen floyd endorse Nike products here in the US or abroad?
@ george,
I disagree with your example. Boxing negotiations have intricate contract provisions than selling cars. If you compare based on one angle then you’re missing angles that pacquiao might have sold luxury or high end cars v. low-end cars for floyd. My point, there’s numerous indicators to gauge someone’s marketablility i.e ticket sells at the arena, appeal to the public and big box companies such as nike, Gatorade that pacquiao can make money for endorsing their products.
team pacquiao EXPOSED, bob arum is a phukin liar…….breaking news bob arum had never made the offer to floyd…..they were talking about it in espn like 30 minutes ago
There were no negotation. Mayweather simply ignored what’s being offered to him. The man just made his quota and doesn’t need anything at this time. He asked for that 60/40 purse split knowing he’s not going to get it because it’s a smart way to get people off his back. The man don’t want to be bothered and don’t want to rush into another bout. He is set for the time being.
The truth is mayweather don’t care about his fans or anybody for that matter except himself. Bob arum knows this and so does golden boy. That’s why arum made a statement, sounding like sympathetic to floyd ( uncle Roger may go to jail) situation. As for golden boy they kept it quiet and made no comments.
@ bottomfeeder,
You’re the character of that short story. If your comments reflect your personality or your true self, you must be a bottomfeeder or a professional bum that suck on someone’s hard work.
pacquiao doesnt deserve the 50/50 deal, phuc no, come on, for example…pretend floyd and manny both worked as salesman at a car dealer, floyd sells 6 cars in a week and manny only sells 2….but at the end they both get exactly the same..not fair right…floyd had better ppv numbers so he deserves more money
airdukes it’s time you switch churches. Just say devil you lie! Also in the event of an actual emergency, hang up the phone and dial 911, if not an actual emergency please hold for the next available operator……………. you slow dude
Bottom Feeder:
mayweather himelf said he isn’t interested for now,he said it,not arum,not ellerbe,not anybody else,floyd said it himself,he doesn’t want to fight….so forget all this he’s lying,she’s lying,,,floyd said he doesn’t want it.
No negotiations ever took place?? I had a feeling team Mayweather would pull this bs. His camp goes weeks without saying one word, but as soon as the deadline passes and Floyd says “im not interested” there all the sudden was no negotiation. GTFOH with that. Pathtetic.
airdukes, are you reying to tell us you need Jesus? You need a hug? You hungry? You have uneven balls?
@ bottomfeeder.
Ryan is Ryan and I can’t be him. You still don’t get my comments and his. Anyhow, here’s another analogy for you to study.
You’re in church, the good preacher said, bring a rock as big as you can carry with you next Sunday. Next Sunday, you brought nothing since you didn’t hear him. Next thing you know the good preacher said that “from now on that would be your food for the rest of this week.” Then he said bring, a small rock for next Sunday.
Next Sunday, you brought big rock as big as you can carry since you have not eaten in days. The good preacher said, throw that rock as far as you can and that will be the lenght of your life here in earth. Since you brought a big rock, you barely moved that rock. Then the good preacher said again that next Sunday, bring two identical size rocks.
Next Sunday you brought one small and big rocks since you still can’t seemed to hear or understand your good preacher. Then the good preacher finally said, “those two identical rocks will be your “balls” from now on….
If u watch pac fight u dont even need to be a counterpuncher he comes in so reckless u just need footwork and not the best but good and good hand speed and roach knows it see marquez lacked hand speed and had decent footwork now imagine JJM with fast hands could have been a long night for the pacanator
@niss I was watching boxing when u were getting bullied for ur pocket change.Lol
@anonymous, stop spouting out thing’s you’ve red in other articles, you know nothing about boxing.
the media(bo) been was using mayweather name every since the cotto fight 1. to build a fight fmj vs pc 2. to make good sales of floyd’s name so manny can be a good prospect, bob knows floyd fights once a year and bob knows why, bob is doing a great job for having the biggest fight never ever happening becuz it’s never a resolving resolution eachtime they try to come together for the fans. bob arum is the reason becuz he didnt work with anybody, he has pac fighting poor fights so if a person is a crook then you shouldnt expect anything less. bob is 80 yrs old, why should he care about money the man is close to 100yrs old “much respect” but I dont understand why exspecially when he doesnt have anykind of leverage, decision making. remember golden boy and mayweather promotions is the future of boxing and I cant waiyt until bob arum leave
First of calling floyd scared is a joke.Floyd fought them all counter,fast,tech,savvy and all in all he had the ring general ship. Now on to manny 1 counter puncher with no hand speed???? get it yet. clottey,hatton.dlh,cotto.moralles,barrera,JMM what do they all lack or have in common at the time they fought pac hand speed fu99 a counter puncher he duck foot work and speed. FACT just ask SSM LOL
STOP THE PRESS!!!! BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!! BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!!! ARUM IS A LIAR, HERE YOU GO!
Team Mayweather breaks its silence
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Floyd Mayweather’s camp says it never agreed to details of Manny Pacquiao fight
In response to deadline, Mayweather’s advisor says sides had never agreed to meet on Nov. 13
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Floyd “Money” Mayweather vs. “Sugar” Shane Mosley at MGM Grand Garden Arena on May 1, 2010.
By Brett Okamoto (contact)
Monday, July 19, 2010 | 1:56 p.m.
Floyd Mayweather’s camp issued a statement Monday afternoon regarding recent comments made by Manny Pacquiao’s promoter, Bob Arum.
At 11:59 p.m. on July 16, Arum held a conference call to inform media members that although both sides of the potential megafight had basically agreed on all points of a contract to meet on Nov. 13, Mayweather’s hesitancy to sign off on the deal has forced Top Rank to seek a new opponent for Pacquiao.
In a statement released Monday, Mayweather’s advisor Leonard Ellerbe said that a deal between the two sides has never been met as Arum had suggested.
“Here are the facts,” the statement said. “(Mayweather’s manager) Al Haymon, (Golden Boy Promotions CEO) Richard Schafer and myself speak to each other on a regular basis and the truth is no negotiations have ever taken place, nor was there ever a deal agreed upon by Team Mayweather or Floyd Mayweather to fight Manny Pacquiao Nov. 13.
It was the first statement made by anyone on Mayweather’s side since negotiations reportedly began following Mayweather’s latest win over Shane Mosley on May 1. If made, the Pacquiao fight is expected to be the richest in boxing history with each fighter making up to $60 million.
Both sides were put under a gag order by HBO during negotiations, a request that ended when Arum leaked to certain news sites that the deal was close in late June.
In his conference call on July 16, Arum admitted he hadn’t been in contact directly with Mayweather’s camp and that all negotiations were being relayed through HBO president Ross Greenburg.
Ellerbe’s statement verified as much, saying that either Greenburg or Arum was lying about the negotiations. Not surprisingly, Ellerbe hinted that Arum, who once promoted Mayweather before the two had a falling out, was the culprit
“Either Ross Greenburg or Bob Arum is not telling the truth,” Ellerbe said. “But history tells us who is lying.”
Pacquiao is expected to now face either Miguel Cotto or Antonio Margarito on Nov. 13. According to Arum, a deal with either of those two could be made as quickly as next week.
@bottom feeder, haha you actually buy this? These are more lies from the Mayweather camp. Why wouldn’t Arum try to negotiate? if he is indeed the money hungry promoter he’s portrayed to be why wouldn’t he try to make this fight happen? This is the most lucrative fight in the history of boxing and there is wayyy too much money involved for both camps. Also even if for some reason that Arum did lie which I don’t think he did, Floyd is still avoiding this fight with Manny he said so himself.
AIRDUKES, BLOW ME!!!!!!!! Your an idiot. Ryan has smarts and knowledge about boxing, it’s always nice to volley with him. But you dude know nothing, you are short bus special, not worthy!
STOP THE PRESS!!!! BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!! BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!!! ARUM IS A LIAR, HERE YOU GO!
Team Mayweather breaks its silence
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Floyd Mayweather’s camp says it never agreed to details of Manny Pacquiao fight
In response to deadline, Mayweather’s advisor says sides had never agreed to meet on Nov. 13
TOM DONOGHUE/WWW.DONOGHUEPHOTOGRAPHY.COM
Floyd “Money” Mayweather vs. “Sugar” Shane Mosley at MGM Grand Garden Arena on May 1, 2010.
By Brett Okamoto (contact)
Monday, July 19, 2010 | 1:56 p.m.
Floyd Mayweather’s camp issued a statement Monday afternoon regarding recent comments made by Manny Pacquiao’s promoter, Bob Arum.
At 11:59 p.m. on July 16, Arum held a conference call to inform media members that although both sides of the potential megafight had basically agreed on all points of a contract to meet on Nov. 13, Mayweather’s hesitancy to sign off on the deal has forced Top Rank to seek a new opponent for Pacquiao.
In a statement released Monday, Mayweather’s advisor Leonard Ellerbe said that a deal between the two sides has never been met as Arum had suggested.
“Here are the facts,” the statement said. “(Mayweather’s manager) Al Haymon, (Golden Boy Promotions CEO) Richard Schafer and myself speak to each other on a regular basis and the truth is no negotiations have ever taken place, nor was there ever a deal agreed upon by Team Mayweather or Floyd Mayweather to fight Manny Pacquiao Nov. 13.
It was the first statement made by anyone on Mayweather’s side since negotiations reportedly began following Mayweather’s latest win over Shane Mosley on May 1. If made, the Pacquiao fight is expected to be the richest in boxing history with each fighter making up to $60 million.
Both sides were put under a gag order by HBO during negotiations, a request that ended when Arum leaked to certain news sites that the deal was close in late June.
In his conference call on July 16, Arum admitted he hadn’t been in contact directly with Mayweather’s camp and that all negotiations were being relayed through HBO president Ross Greenburg.
Ellerbe’s statement verified as much, saying that either Greenburg or Arum was lying about the negotiations. Not surprisingly, Ellerbe hinted that Arum, who once promoted Mayweather before the two had a falling out, was the culprit
“Either Ross Greenburg or Bob Arum is not telling the truth,” Ellerbe said. “But history tells us who is lying.”
Pacquiao is expected to now face either Miguel Cotto or Antonio Margarito on Nov. 13. According to Arum, a deal with either of those two could be made as quickly as next week.
airdukes hear this, BLOW ME!
@bottomfeeder,
Just as Ryan has indicated to you, you seemed to indicate a need to improve on your compression. You have commented on Pacquiao winning the BWAA award and indicated that ESPN is better than BWAA Award. You don’t get it do you? Ryan’s house for sale analogy. You can hear you self but not others.
BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!! BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!!! SOMEBODY PASS THIS ON TO MY DAWG RYAN DUNN. TOLD YALL ARUM IS A LIAR, HERE YOU GO!
Team Mayweather breaks its silence
July 19, 2010 | 2:26 pm
The public silence has broken in Floyd Mayweather Jr.’s camp, following a midnight Friday announcement by Manny Pacquiao’s promoter, Bob Arum, that other opponents would be sought instead of waiting to hear from Mayweather.
Arum said he had dealt with HBO Sports President Ross Greenburg as a mediator in talks to stage a Nov. 13 super-fight that would be expected to become the most lucrative event in the sport’s history. However, Arum said Greenburg stopped receiving communication from Team Mayweather.
Monday, Mayweather’s lead advisor, Leonard Ellerbe, released this statement under the headline, “Someone’s Lying”:
“Here are the facts: Al Haymon [Mayweather's manager], [Mayweather advisor] Richard Schaefer and myself speak to each other on a regular basis and the truth is no negotiations have ever taken place nor was there ever a deal agreed upon by Team Mayweather or Floyd Mayweather to fight Manny Pacquiao on November 13. Either Greenburg or Bob Arum is not telling the truth, but history tells us who is lying.”
There was no other information released about what Mayweather plans to do next, or if he’ll attempt to make a deal to fight Pacquiao before the Filipino superstar opts to fight either Antonio Margarito or Miguel Cotto, both of whom are also promoted by Arum.
– Lance Pugmire
they wont let me put the sites on here to go check it out
Sorry to tell u guys arum and shaf were lying no nego were sent to the mayweather camp just been verified go check it out
airdukes you must be a blonde airhead. go back and reread dude, you will see i was being sarcastic to dumba@@ for acting like Floyd winning the ESPY award 3 years was a joke. Reading is fundamental bro, hooked on phonics dude.
floy is just weak he does have good skills but he dosent have heart or pride he thinks money makes a man and hell o men made money i bet u anything that even though margacheato cheated lol id paquial gets that fight is going to be way better then seeing a boxer(floy) running foe 12 rd’s . From my point of view us mexicans have a big comunity in the united states and we still have a whole country , so for ppv buys it aint gonna be a problem plus paquial fighting is ,going to be crazy. Numbers r gonna be high because philipios are true boxing fans to, so there is no way that margarito vs paquial is goin to be a non sale fight.plus is going to be a pure action fight . i want to take the time to congratulated all the philipinos 4 having a grate boxer like manny humble outside the rinng and a true warrior inside the rinng and 2 all my Mexicanos si se puede and i cant wait for this fight 2 happen
@bottomfeeder,
Ali won that same award in the 60s, so as Robert Duran in the 70s, so as sugar ray in the 80s and roy jones in 90s. With your logic, Pacquiao, Ali and other winners are irrelevant since they didn’t win the ESPN award. Your logic and reasoning are very flawed and your acting like a sore loser. Most notably, you’re emulating your idol. Pity on you.
Floyd will NEVER fight Manny, he is too scared of him. He’s dragged this thing on for almost a year now for what? think about it what other reason is there? Manny’s agreed to everything he wanted because he wants to make this fight happen for the FANS. If Floyd cared about the people that made him rich why hasn’t he done the same? he even denied the wish of a dying boy. Floyd’s scared to face Pac in the ring period. No If’s, and’s or but’s.
All of us fans should come to an common agreement once we do they will have no other choice but to do the same
PACMAN SUCKS
The only way u will see a pac vs money fight is if all boxing fans all over the world come to an agreement. I am pretty sure arum doesnt care at this time who manny fights as long as it is in his stable he says berto nor bradley has a fan base im pretty sure eneryone knows berto and bradley verymuch more than u knew clottey at the time these guys are prize fighters they fight foe a prize and it comes from us the fans it starts with us.Nov13 Cotto vs Pac seen it after round 4 u just knew to expect a knockout the way he was so dominate now marg vs Pac if u saw margs last fight he’s not the same he went to a 12 round dec. with a nobody go check it out its horrible so come Nov13 instead of payinga ppv of i say 54.99 and more if its marg and not in the US keep that it will be on hbo the next week But i guarantee after they see those numbers on ppv sales U will get a pac vs money fight by may 2011
@Bottom Feeder, your name suits you because you are a bottom feeder like the Mayweathers, just admit it man you know in your heart that Floyd’s a coward but your so blinded by your crush on Floyd that you’re not acknowledging it. ESPY awards a joke they give it out every year. Can you remember who received it before Floyd? Exactly. Only the best of the best get the Fighter of the Decade, Manny’s name is up there with the likes of Ali among other greats, I don’t see Floyd’s name up there anywhere lol. 41 wins against old, washed up, handpicked senior bums.
By the way, good job Bottom Feeder.
I like Ryan Dunn even though he defends the Pac camp and there insane excuses and the way they go about their business.
To be honest as far as this Arum deadline and negotiations is concerned, I did not think Ryan would sink so low and try to defend them.
Ive never heard any one say it is pacs fault cause he pretty much does what his promter says..im still holding out for this fight to be made but if not …bye bye boxing!! Mayweather is just too skilled for most if not all fighters for me to watch any more..I think pacaiuo would be the most competitive fight for floyd but that might not happen..and pac as good as he is has to fight good fighters at catchweights or take them on after a crushing defeat to win..I think all people want is a good competitive fight and the best wont fight the best for reasons we DONT KNOW!! To say any fighter is scared is idiotic!!
Hardnox lol, man you right lol. Arum using Floyd name to sell tickets.
So after all that debating, Bottom Feeder and Ryan Dunn have come to one conclusion and the same point I made yesterday, that Arum was just trying to use Floyd to sell Pacs next fight just like he did last time (with Clottey).
BOTTOM FEEDER STFU U DONT KNOW SH.T!!!!
Fighter of the decade award was given by a group of 42 individuals. ESPY award comes strictly from us fans, the ones who care, the ones who matter. Millions of fans voted for Floyd 2007, 2008, 2010. So I guess whn pac got it 2009 he was a joke right lol. Dude u funny
The money was always just another way for Mayweather to duck the Pacman….he is running and has always run from good younger fighters……the best solution would be the winner takes 60% and the loser takes 40%…….lets see him back out of that one….
nissan.350 you a retard. Floyd was prize fighting while pac was still backyard brawling not getting a paycheck.
Bottom line is if it wasn’t for Pacquiao’s star status nobody would even be talking about Mayweather. Manny brought boxing back to the spotlight, there is a reason he is fighter of the decade. The ESPY award Floyd got is a joke, ESPN themselves called Floyd a coward. Boxing will never be in Floyd’s mind until Manny retires, don’t nobody want to see him fight anyone else. He will go down as GDOAT – Greatest Ducker of All Time.
Pacquiao will never win with Mayweather’s lovers. It’s always him who made Mayweather not agree. When Pacquiao did not go for the test, people was telling him how stupid he was to run away from millions of dollars. Now, it was Floyd who’s saying no to millions now it’s still Pac’s fault. Do you even read your arguments? Come on already.
I am a woman but you guys argue like little girls…
@ROGER WELL MY BAD I SHOULD SAY THEY SHOULDNT. THEY DONT TALK ABOUT MANNY SUPPOSIBLY MARITAL AFFAIRS OR ODL CROSS DRESSING TECHNIQUES I DONT KNOW BUT THEY NEED TO STOP POINTING FINGERS TO FOOL THESE POOR FANS. ARUM WINS ARUM WINS ………….A GAME OF “SIMMON SAYS”.
60/40 and we’ll have a fight! Can’t any of you on here beat Floyd or Manny so give them both there respest as a boxer and as a fighter!
@ROCKY MOST LIKELY THEY SHARE THE SAME LAWYERS MAN. THEY WONT KNOW ANYTHING UNTIL SOMEWHERE AROUND AUGUST FROM WHAT I’M READING YOU JUST HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL FLOYD SPEAKS REGULARLY LIKE HE USE TO BUT BOXING WONT CONFIRM ROGER’S LEGAL PROBLEMS IN BOXING, DAMN.
Why people thinking its Rogers court case might see him in jail for a while stopping Mayweather fight im sure Mayweather knew what was exactly going on with Roger and his case and what could be the outcome. So really in this case Mayweather shouldnt have been going around accusing another fighter of things and yet have no intentions to fight.
I wouldnt care to watch Mayweather again the guys the biggest DIVA on the planet.
HEY CHRIS WILLIAMS, U DONT KNOW FOR SURE BUT U STILL BLAME MANNY. R U NEXT OF KIN OF MANUELA PEREZ??
Boxing is a corrupt buisness , always has been..If the best wont fight the best then no wonder people have gave up and started watching mma or other sports..I didnt see the david tua fight but from what i hear tua got beat pretty convincingly and somehow got a draw? If pac fights margaCHEATO and it goes the distance who do you think would get that decision? right on baby! just like marquez was robbed.. If you are one of the judges and vote against a big promoters fighter you get a short career! Im done with boxing period..I used to live for the big fights..too many belts,too many champions…clean it up and get ONE governing body and it will be way better off..like mma the best should fight the best or they dont work! pac n may should fight each other or one of the best newcomers..we dont care to see manny punch away at a frozen statue clottey-we want him tested against a great fighter like mayweather or williams..
I took steroids and have been kept undefeated thanks to Top Rank.
I don’t know when they will milk me. They plan to feed me to Pavlik to built up his reputation or mine.
I hear the Pavlik has become a drunk and doesn’t train hard and they feel I can beat him. It’s what Roach and Arum have told me. Either way is a big payday for Pavlik
Ryan, I know the house was not for sale, just the same as Arum knew he had no intentions to seriously make the fight.
Top Rank is the best promotion company on the planet. They have managed to do the impossible and keep Chavez jr undefeated until the milk the cow.
@tio paeng mo ako
If you don’t like it, don’t read it.
@bottom feeder
In my analogy, the house was never for sale. There’s a difference.
@Rocky
Yes, Floyd probably never planned to fight. Manny did. That much we do know.
…ryan
Floyd knows that Top Rank won’t let Manny lose until they fight. He is not worried, as all of Pacman fights are fixed until he fights Floyd.
After Pacman loses to Floyd all his fight will be fixed again until Top Rank builts enough hype for another Floyd fight.
@ cherokee warrior – good point.
Why should the fighter of the decade take less than 50%? Even with the cut 50/50 floyd still makes more than pacquiao because of pac’s deal with top rank and golden boy. if 50 million isn’t enough money to get floyd in the ring, that should tell you something.
@bottom feeder and ryan dunn you two are non stop discussing thing that’s not gonna happen and stop debating the nonsense and move on. you two are occupying too much space in this forum like broken records. let’s move on and start fresh topic of something else. these and those blah-blah-blah are making everybody tired of reading. there will be no fight period and please move on.
@ Ryan Dunn – Well said!
This fight was never going to happen as someone just wanted to ruin another person’s creditibility and keep his own Zero record in tact thats how i see it.
I couldnt care less if i didnt see this fight happen now. Mayweather can go spin if i want to watch him box again. Time waster
There was a sign for a house for sale, you made an offer (maybe a little low, but fair). You never got a reply. Later on you knock on the door and ask why the owner never replied. He looks at you funny and says, “I’m not selling my house. Now go away.”
What a waste of your time, right? After all, why’d he put up the FOR SALE sign if he didn’t want to sell his house?
No it really was a low ball offer, purposely done and almost insulting(same as arum did), the market completely tanked, so I thought I had the power. I played ‘poker’ as Arum said pac did with Hatton. And as a result I loss out on a great house, in this case pac loss out on the payday of his life.
CONSPIRACY! I understand now, everything in boxing recently is a BIG hoax. A big television(sports) company is also behind all these. This network is backing up this coward’s ” ALIBI ” so that this so called warrior will be fighting someone else so they can milk more money from this one guy and his millions of casual fans. Im tired of this boxing cr@p!!! A BIG! BIG! network is backing up this COW@RD! If you are smart, think hard. They know that If they will make this fight happen, and this warrior will knock this cow@rd/dodger and then retire, boxing has no more COW to MILK! This ONE popular boxer right now is the only one revitalizing boxing again and they still need him.
@bottom
You assume too much if you think I have any kind of faith in Bob Arum.
…ryan
Maybe Floyd wants to fight this year and Arum’s offfer was simply not acceptable. Again Floyd could care less what Arum and Top Rank think.
After the 10 days when Arum officially anounces who is the lucky winner to fight Manny, Floyd will spill the beans.
Floyd wants 60-40 and random tests. If these 2 items are not conceded by Top Rank and Manny, them there is no point on seriously matching these 2 fighters.
Floyd is the bigger draw, so he deserves the bigger piece of the pie allocation. It’s only fair.
Floyd also is the one taking the risk, so if he has the power why not enforce random tests so that if he is beaten, he won’t have doubts he lost on even ground.
Sugar Ray Leonard as the bigger draw got everything he wanted in negotiations and then some. Look it up. Everybody was lining up for a chance a Sugar Ray Leonard, but by being the bigger draw he didn’t give in.
Same for Oscar, Tyson …everybody…PPVs numbers dictates terms of negotiations.
the fight is dead!!!lets accept it! so pacfans and floydfans theres no point of bashing each other, lets move on….
Ryan, no interruption at all. I will keep the faith in boxing being a better world without Arum and D. King, you keep yours in Arum they guy who said “yesterday I was lying, today i’m telling the truth.”
@bottom
A better analogy for you would be…
There was a sign for a house for sale, you made an offer (maybe a little low, but fair). You never got a reply. Later on you knock on the door and ask why the owner never replied. He looks at you funny and says, “I’m not selling my house. Now go away.”
What a waste of your time, right? After all, why’d he put up the FOR SALE sign if he didn’t want to sell his house?
…ryan
@bottom feeder
You’re obviously going to go to bat for Floyd come hell or high water, so I’m done debating anything with you.
The point is, he could have told the fans he didn’t want to fight this year. Would that have been so hard?
Now, you may resume your blind faith in Mayweather Promotions, sorry to interrupt.
…ryan
As i see it Mayweather isnt agreeing the contract and Pac has agreed to random tests so i see only one person doing the ducking. Im sick of this potential fight. Mayweather just f@ckin retire and stop claiming your the best!
at bottom feeder
we cannot wait on floyds decision forever. fights most go on… didnt floyd say, “its not that hard to find me” where was he? when he was found, he said he is not thinking about boxing right now! he was just negotiating the purse split….he needs to come up with a better excuse than that. so please mr feeder, get off floyds nutts…please do us all a favor and end it already with this coward….you sound like floyds wife backing him up nother matter what…..
If they can make this fight happen, and this warrior will knock this dodger and then this recent popolar boxer will retire, then boxing has no more COW to MILK!
Floyd beat ODL, Hatton and Shane. pac beat ODL, Hatton but roach said Shane was too good of a fighter for pac so they ducked him. So why in the hell would Floyd be afraid of lil pac(compared to Shane Mosley), GTFOH
@FAN I SPEAK WITH FACTS NOT OPPINIONS THEY WANTED HIM TO FIGHT IN THEIR COUNTRY BECUZ THEY HAVE A LOT OF SKILLED SKILLED SKILLED BOXERS OVERTHERE MANNY WONT BE NOWHERE NEAR SUCESSFUL OVERTHERE, BUT WHEN DANNY GREEN ILLEGAL HAND TAPPING PROLLY HAS CAUSED ALOT OF DAMAGE BUT I DONT NEED TO EXAM MY HEAD I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I’M SAYING. IT’S JUST THE FACT THAT YOUR DUMBA** BELIEVE THE MEDIA SPINNING JUNKIES CONTROLS TO WHAT YOU BELIEVE INSTEAD OF GAINING FACTS FACTS FACTS DUMMY YOU GET IT, U MUST BE PHILIPINO(PACFAN) OR SOMETHING
It’s funny cause didn’t Dave Lahr write almost the same exact article?
The guy’s not interested in rushing into things.
It’s funny cause when he says things like that, all Floyd fans give him a pass. But when a guy like Mosley says virtually the same thing, it’s “oh he’s ducking Mayweather”
Personally I don’t think FLoyd ever wanted any part of Manny Pacquiao. I think he announced his un-retirement the day Manny fought Hatton because he saw that Manny was getting popular and Floyd had to come back to boxing. He probably assumed that Manny would lose to Hatton, given that Floyd sr. was at the helm as trainer. Then when Manny lost, Floyd could step in as the savior of the sport.
But things didn’t turn out that way. Manny destroyed Hatton. So Floyd pushed his fight with Marquez back so that Manny would have to find another opponent. Best case scenario for Mayweather was for Manny to get destroyed by a legit welter. That didn’t happen either.
So now Floyd is right where he doesn’t want to be. In negotiations to fight Manny. Every point was agreed upon until Floyd decided to embark on a crusade to clean the sport of boxing up. Mind you, he was the same crusader who was conveniently missing when his home town commission had a hearing in regards to standardizing OST in boxing. Floyd had his way out, or had an opportunity to get his opponent in the ring to come and fight in a weakened state (as noted in an interview nearly five years before FLoyd-Manny was ever talked about).
Now Floyd finds himself right back where he doesn’t want to be. His way out this time? “I’m not interested in ruching into things.”
Funny cause wasn’t it his idea to have the first fight in May, four months after Manny beat Cotto, and six months after Floyd beat JMM? Now the guy is not in a hurry?
To me, that means he’s waiting for Pacquiao to get old, retire, or lose. Cause he aint in no hurry to get in the ring with that guy now.
Ryan, Nov 13th was a date set by Arum. The only one who broke the gag arder was Arum. The only one talking to the head of HBO was Arum, the only one making demands was Arum. see the pattern. Arum and Floyd are bitter enimies, do you think for one second that Arum was remotely trying to look out for Floyds best interest? Hell no!
You say he made a no-choice, his silence said it all. I remember buying my first house, I put in a offer, low ball of course. guess what Ryann, I never got a response, that said a whole lot. That told me come correct or don’t come at all. Now, you were saying????????
Funny how the Cleveland owner goes off on Lebron James on an open letter to Cleveland fans and season ticket holders. However, Lebron James fulfilled his contract with Cleveland. He has a right to play wherever he chooses whether we like it or not.
Yes, maybe Lebron should have informed him that he was moving on to better and warmer territory (South Beach), but he is entitled to that. He has that right as a free agent.
Dear Bob Arum u suck Co(k
@bottom feeder
If Floyd was actually considering making this fight happen, then I might agree. I have a feeling he never had any intention on fighting Manny on November 13, and could have, at any point, told his promoters and Manny’s promoters as much and not drawn out the whole thing.
That might be Floyd’s way of leading Arum on, and sending him down a dead end street. It’s funny for Floyd and all, but not for those hoping to see a sporting event.
Floyd’s choice, unlike Lebron’s, was a no-choice. So it’s a different disappointment than if Floyd was negotiating with Manny and then decided halfway through that he’d rather fight Baldomir in a rematch or something.
…ryan
Considering the issues with Roger, the fact that they once again could not agree on the testing (per Jeff Mayweather), what I’m reading about Floyd having some possible health issues of his own, and his stated disinterest in fighting again this year, I’d say they would have had to have made him an offer he could not refuse, to give this fight the best chance of happening.
Neither camp really did what it took to make the fight happen, this go around, IMO. Maybe next time they will actually TALK TO EACH OTHER.
@kevy kev
Floyd move to England? you think they wold accept him?
you using SAVIOR and Floyd in a one sentence? i don;t think that mixes well … you better check your head
YA FUNNY ….
Exactly the entire world knew the spotlight was on Floyd just like it was on Lebron James, and floyd did what Lebron did, he made a choice for him, like James did. Were people dissapointed yes, but they both turned down offers that was not appealing to them. And Floyd did it in a very respectful manner. Some poeple actually thought the first time Floyd spoke it would be some none sense, but he handled the situation very professionally, just as Lebron did. And the backlash Lebron got is similiar to the one Floyd is geting, which led to certain activist speaking out acting like because they pay these sports figures, they have no right to exercise their right of choice. the world still dogging Lebron, same as floyd, but they did the same thing to Ali as well. We seen this kind of bullying before, but today is a different day, fighters choose and make choices because it is their lives on the line, not the head of HBO, Arum or GBP. Respect that man.
to all boxing fans, MAYWEATHER’s OR PACQUIAO’S: please stop bashing each other but instead direct all your punches to hit the HBO’s big honcho. ask him what has happened that we are all deprived of the fight we want to see. ask him what were the reasons and who’s to blame. he is the right person and the most resource of all who knew what had happened. he is the responsible one because he mediated the whole course and nobody else. it is like a pyramid structure and GREENBURG is the last top block sitting on the very tip of the triangular shaped structure.
Common Floyd. Don’t be stupid. Just sign the 40 million dollar contract.
@bottom
I was up at 3am the other night on the East Coast. And I listened to the press conference first hand. I don’t work at boxingnews. I work for a film production company in NYC. I don’t get paid to write here. I do it as a labor of love.
First off, if these were faked negotiations, what would have happened if Floyd said yes?
Second, the entire world knew that the spotlight was on Floyd. He couldn’t have just come out in May and said, “Look, I’m not interested in fighting in 2010, I’m taking a break.”
?
Last, I know it’s very easy to villify the promoters, but they want to make money, RIGHT? And if Manny and Floyd want to fight eachother, and projections say this is the absolute most money the sport can make right now, Arum and Schaefer and Haymon and Ellerbe should be interested mutually, RIGHT?
Who knows the true motives. You don’t know any more than I do. Why speculate? All we can do is hope they fight. That’s all.
…ryan
hBO PAYS FLOYD TO LET HIM FIGHT ON HTEIR NETWORK, FLOYD COULD MOVE TO ENGLAND AND BE ONE OF THE WORLD GREATEST FIGHTER EVER BUT WHY HE NOT LIKE A SAVIOR OVER HERE IS BECUZ OF bOb ARUM HE’ HAD BEEN IN BOXING FOREVER AND GOT MAJOR PULL BUT HE STILL NOT A POPULAR THEN MAYWEATHER wORLD wIDE
excuses, excuses,ESPN: FLOYD IS COWARD!!. NO one is bigger than the sport it self!!! this coward is nauseating!!!
@bottom
Don’t copy / paste the same deal and change the date on it and say we agreed.
Can you prove this? Also, when did I mention my opinion on the purse split? Also, why are you so intent to prove that Floyd is richer, better, a bigger winner? Who cares? Do you want to see them fight or not? That is as far as your concern should go.
We can trade numbers and whatnot, I like to do that. But this isn’t about either/or, in regards to you can only like one of them. Only one can be good. Only one is legitimate. Etc.
That’s silly.
…ryan
Truth is, Floyd can beat Pacman on a bad night. He’s just too skilled for Pacman. But this seems more about balance of Power and respect for the King. How dare you Bob! Who put Bob Arum in the drivers seat of Floyd’s Car. Thats all I’m asking. FLoyd has earned the right to pick his time to fight and his opponent. Bob Arum cant come in and dictate to this Champion a deadline and date. and 50/50 split. Listen, If the manys middle name is Money, you think he gonna give someone beneath him in status haplf of the cut. FLoyd been laying it down way longer than Manny has been a household name. Where’s the respect fro Floyd.
The Klitschko are blacklisted by HBO, but they still gonna fight and make money, might not be the huge money they wanted but they still gonna make money. And in the world of business nobody does nothing for free, HBO invested in Floyd because Floyd did what? He generated them revenue equally as well.
@bottom feeder
This isn’t about me being a Floyd or Manny fan, dude. I’m simply saying Ross Greenburg controls HBO boxing. That doesn’t mean Floyd can’t make money without HBO. It doesn’t mean I dislike Floyd. It doesn’t mean I’m pro-Manny and anti-Floyd.
Where are you getting that from?
Anyway, the point is that we all want to see this fight happen, and I’m hoping that there is some back door conspiracy between interested parties to put this fight together next Spring.
…ryan
Ryan says,
The edge still goes to Floyd, but you will see that it is very close.
My favorite movie XXX dude said “it doesn’t matter wether you win by a inch or a mile, winning is winning.” So there you have Ryan, Floyd still wins even using your close logic. So pay the man his bigger purse and tke the test. Don’t copy / paste the same deal and change the date on it and say we agreed. BS
@bottom feeder
“Dude you talking like these fighters suppose to have slave mentalities.”
No, not slaves at all. But you don’t want to be blacklisted by HBO. That is a case of simple logic. Sometimes you have to please the hand that feeds you, not bite it.
And I’m not saying that Floyd owes 100% of his success to HBO, but he does indeed owe a goodly amount to them. They have invested in every one of his 7 PPV appearances. Sure he has a commercial draw, but if HBO feels that that draw is waning, he may have some thinking to do.
…ryan
Some people looking to make it to the top always say imma get rich or die trying. Floyd already rich, he don’t have to sell himself out to get any richer. It’s ok bro, i’m use to pac fans not being able to admit to being wrong. it’s kewl.
@bottom feeder
A piece of advice, use dates and popularity as part of your lists instead of trying to compare apples to mangos.
Example, ONLY compare Floyd and Manny with respect to BEFORE and AFTER ODLH.
The edge still goes to Floyd, but you will see that it is very close.
…ryan
Greenburg has the same power as any other CEO of any major corporation such as that, but they don’t control any man. We have choices. Settle for less, but make a choice and stand firm. Dude you talking like these fighters suppose to have slave mentalities, slaves to the dollars and cents. He rich already, he don’t need them unless he choose to get richer!
Will any fighter loose money, yep. But if you don’t stand for something you bound to fall for anything. Ali took a stance, even did jail time for it, but he stood on his principals. Now just go ahead and admit you misspoke.
@bottom feeder
My numbers have nothing to do with a purse split. They have to do with your underestimating the power of Ross Greenburg.
…ryan
Ryan your post was at 1:40, mines was at 1:43. I don’t need to dig into anything, I shoot from the hip
Ryan, you joined the show late, I already brok that down, here you go playa
PBF/DeLaHoya – 2.4 million
Pac/DeLaHoya – 1.25 million
That’s a plus 1.15 million for PBF
PBF/Marquez – 1.05 million
Pac/Marquez – 500 thousand
That’s a plus 550 thousand for PBF despite the fact that this was a rematch of a highly entertaining
match between Pac & JMM. PBF still doubled Pac in revenue despite his “boring” style.
PBF/Hatton – 850 thousand
Pac/Hatton – 825 thousand
This is the closest Pac has gotten to PBF regarding common opponents.
PBF/Mosley – 1.4 million
Pac/Cotto – 1.25 million
Again, a plus 150k for Mayweather.
Add it all up and you have:
PBF – 5.7 million buys vs common opponents
Pac – 3.8 million buys vs common opponents
5,700,000 divided by 9,525,000 = 60%
3,825,000 divided by 9,525,000 = 40%
It’s simple math. and the numbers don’t lie!
“I don’t know what really happened here but there are two things,” Arum said. “One, Manny didn’t really want the fight, which I doubt. Secondly, we all know Manny is a gambler, a poker player. He pac probably figured if he was strong to the end, they would fold and they didn’t.”
GTFOH, that was pac and arum way of actually negotiating with Hatton at one point. Did little pac thing Floyd would fold? How silly, take them games back to lesser fighters he been dealing with, his credit no good ova here.
@bottom feeder
01. De La Hoya vs. Mayweather – HBO – 2.15M buys
02. Holyfield vs. Tyson II – KING VISION – 1.99M buys
03. Lewis vs. Tyson – HBO – 1.95M buys
04. Holyfield vs. Tyson I – TVKO – 1.59M buys
05. Tyson vs. McNeely – KING VISION – 1.55M buys
06. Mosley vs. Mayweather – HBO – 1.4M buys
07. De La Hoya vs. Trinidad – TVKO – 1.25M buys
08. Pacquiao vs. Cotto – HBO – 1.25M buys
09. Pacquiao vs. De La Hoya – HBO – 1.25M buys
10a. De La Hoya vs. Hopkins – HBO – 1M buys
10b. Marquez vs. Mayweather – HBO – 1M buys
Show me the Showtime records, I’m waiting. Before you dig too deep, the KING VISION fights were co-sponsored by SET (Showtime Entertainment), though Showtime does not headline PPV events.
If you think Floyd will fight again in a NON-PPV fight, unless he is forced to, that is also a mistake.
…ryan
Yeah the same Arum who said ” yesterday I was lying, today i’m telling the truth.” Somebody who actually said that is the guy pac fans choose to blindly follow. I got beach front property for sale in the Arizona desert if thats the case.
Pacquiao blow it by demanding 50/50? Get Real Chris Williams
Fmj scare of a lil azn. Wht a pu$$y!! Haha fmj a pu$$y wht a shame.
I would love to read these comments, but i need to spend more time with my family. Sorry.
That entire clown show that Arum put on was nothing but his justification to sell die hard pac fans like Ryan a destroyed Cotto 2 foght or a Margicheato. Roach has already said pac will make easy work of margicheato, so why fight him? Why not take arum d1ck out his butt and fight a real challenger. There are several guys worthy, but Arum say no why? Because he can’t make the money he wants to fighting them. This is all about money and power. Sucks to be arum because Floyd had money and he exercising his power!
We dont need Mayweather cause I can keep fighting Pac. against my own fighters at top rank! I can do 300000 buys on ppv easy and then claim 700000 to get a bigger slice later! Plus all my fighters at top rank dont complain when I make them come in at 30 pounds less for a catchweight.. They dont complain about peds cause mannys clean so he dont need a test! you all can believe me IM BOB ARUM!! TRUST ME!!
And after completly jacking up the one sided negotiations, he then add insult to injury by posting a sucker countdown on his website, yeah Arum that was the brightest thing to do huh, really gonna pressure Floyd now. Arum EPIC FAIL 2010
Arum negotiated with Ross Greenburg. Not GBP or Mayweather. Read his interview and you can not as a man tell me that after reading it you was not shanking your head like WTF is Arum thinking. That what he described is no way to try to negotiate the biggest fight in history. And thats why Arum gets the EPIC FAIL for 2010, because that was just plain stupid.
Ryan Dunn cable in general has us all by the nuts if you really think about it, because sat not cutting it. HBO doesn’t need no fight period to continue it’s exsistance, however I do remember when fights was not solely on HBO. Once again we talking power, HBO has established itself as the top power broker in the fight business, but even with that being said, they are not the only player that is available. Everybody has a choice, it’s up to us as individuals to exercise our ability to choose. Floyd or nobody else have to choose HBO, they do it because thats where the biggest money is at. HBO doesn’t pac or Floyd, it’s nice for them to have, but HBO itself as a giant corporation doesn’t need them. But Floyd is rich, he set for life. If and only if he Choose to become richer will he not need, but could use the assistance of a giant such as HBO. But he and they all have a choice.
Many believes that Floyd using PED. The side effect is scared to fight….
@crazy
True, but if you could make $100/hour to do the same job you get paid $50/hour to do, would you take the raise?
Manny, by fighting twice, will make twice the money at least.
…ryan
If I was Manny, I wouldn’t fight anyone else except Floyd, I would wait until He was ready and not put any abuse on my body until Fmj was ready to fight.
@bottom feeder
If you think for one second that a Showtime fight, or a promoter-sponsored PPV event would draw the same buys as an HBO fight, you’re sorely mistaken.
Name the top 10 PPV fights of all time, money and buys, and tell me how many are HBO. Their 24/7 program alone is so expertly shot, edited, and presented to the public that they’ve created a whole new way to promote the fights.
Floyd needs HBO more than HBO needs Floyd. He knows that, trust me.
…ryan
Mayweather want to fight PacMan outside the ring with his mouth not inside the ring because it would endanger his precious zero and pretty face. That’s why he pretend to fight Pacman but when Pacman agreed he created again never ending excuses to stop the fight. This is not the first time he done this. He’s been doing it since he got his first belt. Family Mayweathers knows boxing that why they know how to fool people with talking without fighting the treat to their name.
MAYWEATHER is now like a STAGNANT WATER where mosquitoes breed while all his FANS are on the move to defend his decision. what a shame for all these people and can’t accept in awe that their IDOL was just using his BIG LOUD MOUTH to bash PACQUIAO while MANNY is silently waiting for the outcome of the negotiation that was handled by the HBO chief. and remember what MAYWEATHER said where to find him when PACQUIAO agreed to his terms? there it is, and he is nowhere to be found and when spotted saying, ” I AM NOT THINKING OF BOXING RIGHT NOW.” what a lame excuse. this is what you do for a living and you came back from temporary retirement to prove you are the #1 P4P king. you announced your comeback during PACQUIAO/HATTON FIGHT to gain MEDIA POINTS and after the outcome of that fight you started trash talking of PACMAN to steal the media attentions and all the boxing fans. boxing fans around the world are all disappointed of MAYWEATHER’s running away of the greatest fight we all want to see that even his fellow black american ESPN SPORT NEWS ANCHOR called hom COWARD. to all MAYWEATHER’s fans, all you have to do is stop defending him and giving excuses. just give him encouragement to fight and save BOXING from becoming UNPOPULAR.
I just wonder why the wbo or wba dont have a mandatory fighter for pac until fmj get his personal bizness handle everyone else has mandatory fights against TOP contenders can someone explain this, lol even though I know you cant without the fact that top ranks a farce, they allow arum to put up sorry matches inside his own stable, this make me wanna say PHUCK BOXING.
There is just too many excuses why foyd is avoiding MP,maybe it is ultra ego at risk? Maybe it is that Floyd is far more intellagent than we all give him credit for.A loss could make all that money feel depressing and thats tto sad to be true ,but it may be.
And another thing……I won’t pay a dime to see Manny versus either Cotto or Margarito. I do not expect him to fight Paul Williams. Although he is not a murderous punher, that fight would be just like how Hearns brutalized Duran except it would be for 12 rds, if Williams decides to use his height and reach! That would be a suicidal fight for Manny.
IMO Williams should go after Martinez and settle the Contron issue or at least fight at 154 or higher. If for some reason he lost to Manny people will say he had to lose too much weight and that is why he lost. With his frame he should not be at welter anyway. He will have a huge edge on fight night and that’s why weigh ins should be the same day like before.
Manny should tell Arum he wants to fight only Marquez. let’s get that issue settled once and for all. Fight him at the same as Mayeather or to be more even, make it 142. I am sure he can ko Marquez this time. He has two good hands now and hits harder with more weight.
Pacquiao has NEVER agreed to anything! Nothing at all!!
sex offender what a disgrace!!!!!!!!!!!!
enough with this excuses!!! the fight is dead! who started the allegations? it’s the sex offender roger and there’s a proof….now don’t tell me he’s not guilty
whats 60% of $0?
Why do you think the test so-called got missing lol, but I’m not going to go any further right now you just marinade on that , lolLMAO
@kevy kev
excuses again .. know important people .. yea right … ok whatever …
Floyd Fans – YOU FUNNY
@shut up meg I’ve stated this on many sites the fact is who really started the roid allegations? well I have some very important friends and the public been wanting manny to test he refused then when this morrales fight came about all of a sudden manny feel weak when drawing his blood. It just went public becuz of the mayweathers but it was surfacing around the boxing world for yearssssss, do you understand that? then manny refuses and still refuses to test RANDOMLY ok morrales I mean an OLD MORALES bust his a** and now he’s ducking from R testing and from top fighters. People that knows what their talking about is way far ahead then you lames, and farce. some even knows this but they hate fmj so much that they will even pretend the fact. that’s why mosley and pac is not on that list becuz of the reason Mark Mcguire not on the list of hall of famers and you route this guy on haha funny Manny went public becuz he was embarras that morrales whooped his a** fair and squared they r just politicians
What bluff has Pacman called? Do we know what’s in the contract? If we get the answers for these questions then we can blame someone.
Floyd should get 55-60 of the split money and both fighters should take random tests. If this is in the contract and Floyd says no, blame Floyd all you want.
Manny simply doesn’t deserve 50-50 split when Floyd is the showman and the best self promoter since Ali. Floyd sells ticket like hell on 24/7.
Manny is not a saleman. It’s why Floyd tops him on PPVs sales.
Chris Williams, stop making excuses for Floyd man. You’re making yourself look stupid. Think about it. If it’s the other way around and Pacquiao said he’s not thinking about boxing right now, you’ll be all over him like the crabs on your balls.
your all saying floyd was right with this and floyd was right with that. the fact is boxeres need to fu***** box if thet dont they are in the wrong sport. if all the idiots on here want to give excuses for not taking a fight then you are pathetic boxing (fans?) as fans like to see boxing matches not the for’s and against’s of taking a fight. if this had been the case throughout history ali would never have fought the best fighters in his era, leonard would never have fought hagler, duran and hearns, whilst robinson would never have fought fuller, lamotta etc etc. for fu*** sake if youre boxing fans then start acting like it!
ahhhhhhhhhhhh excuses! excuses! there is no fight. period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
enough with this pac vs floyd!!!!!!!!!!! the fight is dead can’t you get it!!!! can you floyd fans and pac fans stop argueing there is not fight.
Floyd doesn’t need Manny right now. He is more afraid of the tax man than Manny.
Things must wait and negatiation must be on Floyd’s term. 60-40 and random tests.
It’s pretty clear Arum tried to pull a fast one on Floyd to make him look guilty.
Arum does not dictate negotiations as Floyd is the top draw. Arum is getting a taste of his own medicine here.
Test.
Mayweather gave oppurtunity for manny to fight in the first negotiation manny said no so fmj fans didnt act out like 3yr old “well not I” and say he’s ducking floyd but if your trainner explain why he takes on easy opponents and duck threats, THEN THAT’S DUCKING, so some people on here got life twisted. I dont believe nothing top rank or anything pac camp states becuz they are not in good position with fans and they have a history of ducking but not one pacfan admitts that even after seeing roach on youtube mentioning the fact out of his own mouth, lol yall mf’s is phoney, lame pac has a history of ducking top fighters, he aint even a Hall of fAMER But if mayweather is found ducking pac I’ll admit it but right now it’s too early, I still believe the fight will get made, you fans just so desperate to point fingers
Bottom Feeder, are you alright? Did you take your medicine today? You just seem a bit more stupid than you normally are today. Somewhere out there some Village is looking for its idiot while you are sitiing there with that blank look like an envelope with no address on it.
first, I did not pick a fight with you or anyone else. All I want to see is a fight between these two guys and I could care less who wins or who gets the most money. I will not get into a debate about who is better, who faced the better guys, who their common opponents were and who fared better. Finally I will not debate the PPV’s or who won the most awards.
I say flip a coin with respect to all of those issues that people like you seem to rant on about. Who are you anyway? A spokesperson for Floyd? He is not paying you enough to act on his behalf. He is looking down on worshippers like you while dropping a few pennies plus a huge load of you know what on you.
You are so busy picking up his trash that you can’t see or smell the load coming down on you. And if you just happen to look up, all you will see is a huge @SSHOLE making a fool of you. You are locked in on Floyd. I am not. I could care less how much $ any of these guys make. I could care less about the accusations anymore. I just want to see them fight.
You sir if that is not what you want then we are from two different schools. My teaches education. Yours indoctrinates with nonsense. People like you who refuse to get the point about this fight are like a balloon or a virgin……one hard p-rick and you are history.
Speaking of history, go and check about the history of boxing. You do not seem to understand it. I have seen most of the great fights of the past 50 years and was salivating about seeing two of the best of this era. But one guy chose to be petty and self indulgent. The other is Manny , a warrior and a throwback to the old guys. If you cannot get this through your thick skull and stop quoting me figures that no not reflect the true mentality of these guys, you can keep on with your inane quotes about PPV figures.
No matter how you slice it Floyd is hurting boxing with his attitude. People like you deserve him and will allow him to cr@p on you forever! Go clean yourself up cause he needs room to drop a few more loads on you!!!
Coccocted BY that fat weasel Arum.
@Ryan
How could he not be in good standing with HBO when he has made more for them than any other fighter or person period for that matter. And you know good and well that Pacquiao has not and never will agree to random blood testing. What did Bob Arum say at his phony deadline press conference when he was asked if Pacquiao had agreed to random blood tests? He said that “it’s not as clear cut as you may think”. Be honest with your self and tell me what that means. It means no he hasn’t agreed. Simple as that. A 14 day cut off was a last minute concession and is no longer on the table so I don’t see how the Pacquiao team can present this as a fight contract that Mayweather is supposed to sign on a deadline! This is a charade. A Bob Arum media charade. Floyd Mayweather would have been stupid to respond in any way to this contrived contract ultimatum concocted that fat old weasel Arum. And you know it.
FLOYD U ARE ONE SCARED BOY..COME OUT AND TAKE YOUR FIRST BEATING YOU DAMM COWARD.
YOU ARE NOT THE BEST TILL U BEAT MANNY.
HOW CAN U LIVE WITH YOURSELF KNOWING THAT U ARE A COWARD.
@misundersood look how you sound you defending a guy who was critized by many of being on roids and he didnt want to prove to his fans that he wasnt, then the jacka** goes and fight j. clottey after the jacka** ducked mosley twice so to call us flomos and retarded take a step back and realize what kind of person you are, it’s too early to think floyd ducking manny becuz he hasnt spoke until recently you sound stupid potna all manny was fighting was bums he never fought anybody who could beat him, most of the fighters he fought was sluggers and brawlers mostly top rank
it’s as clear as day that Floyd is a scared b*tch. Very humiliating for Floyd. Pacman has been challenging him from the get go, and Floyd won’t take him up on it, and instead remained silent. Then came out to say that he is not interested in fighting at the moment. What a wuzz. He wiil be the laughing stock of boxing fans, media and boxers all over the world.
@bottom feeder
“you know what dude, you say mayweather waited untill mosley was 2 old. but you know what, thats the same old a@@ roach/pac ducked and said was too good a fighter when shane flew from cali to pac gym to fight him.”
Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t that same Manny and Roach now asking to fight the guy who just demolished Mosley? I think peoples’ minds are allowed to change, don’t you?
…ryan
“Mayweather said yesterday that he’s not interested in fighting right now and that he just wants to relax. However, with Pacquiao wanting an even 50-50 deal, that might have made Mayweather’s decision that much easier to take a break from boxing for perhaps the remainder of 2010.”
If Floyd had a problem with the split, he would have said so, like he had more than once in the past. What I take away from it is this…
1. Floyd never wanted to fight this year.
2. Floyd wanted Arum and co. to put effort into making a fight happen, knowing that he had no intention of signing anything until 2011.
3. Arum and co. became much more amenable half way through these negotiations, and even in the press conference Bob seemed okay with waiting to fight later.
4. This indicates, to me, that somewhere along the way, the strategy of having Manny fight in November and then staging the May 2011 fight became a shared strategy by ALL parties.
Let’s hope I’m right. But no, I don’t think any of the negotiation particulars were what led to the decision by Floyd. I do think that Floyd is probably not in the best standing with HBO.
…ryan
It’s not all about the money, it’s about fairness just like the oscar fight. Oscar decided everything and he got the bigger share why becuz he was a household name before floyd and if people dont understand that then they just stupid. to want an even cut on profit when your numbers are sorry of-course this would happen. No it shouldnt be about the money but at the same time it is and it’s about principle also and if floyd would except that deal then on the bizness side of things he wouldnt be strong so I like the fact that he wont give in to Arum just to please Arum’s fans “the lil he got left” lol,everyone know bob and camp ducked the first nego. and we all will find out the truth when the smoke clears on this negotiation. I already know that manny wants floyd to be his last fight before he retires so blame them for it not happening, manny is ridiculous becuz floyd been around a lot longer on the big stages of his career and manny will gain fans if he fight floyd so getting the smaller cut will infact make more money then he ever made regaurdless and his fan base will grow just like floyd, manny cant have it both ways, he’s not that special over here so he’s way out of his element
The only reasoned the fight never happen because Mayweather is SCARED. PERIOD
“Although we still don’t know what the particulars were of the 2nd failed negotiations between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao… ”
Another worthless article by this King of all Flomos! All of his articles are nothing but opinions based on his biasness against Pacquiao.
Mayweather never said anything about the purse split or anything else. He wants to relax and I say let him. No need to force anybody to do anything.
man i dont care about what somebody say they gonna do, action bro. when he do let me know.
@ bottom feeder
Manny Pacquiao when he became congressman promised to put 1/2 of his fortune he earned by himself from fighting all over the world into helping the Philippines which is a NDC or Newly Developed Country
he will be helping poverty stricken people (which he was one of 20 years ago) … (he had to sell stolen cigarettes to people so he and his family could eat)
he will be helping the economy grow by allowing tax cuts for Multinational companies like they do in China, Japan and Taiwan
infact the fact he is famous and has money and is willing to give it back to the people who made him famous is makes him an even better candidate
Floyd didn’t make a demand, arum came to him. I remember watching an old movie called the mack, famous line in it was ‘your b1tch choose me’. arum choose Floyd to make money not the other way around lol. arum better come correct or not come at all.
See how stupid. just because i made a demand didn’t mean you had to respond to me. get the point. arum made a demand, Floyd said go kick rocks.
I want all you guys to send me 5 dollars and you have 7 minutes to do it in!
Why don’t you ask Mayweather himself?
Manny Pacquiao less so as he is congressman, maybe he will be a senator in a few years and 15 years down the line he may be president thats a whole new legacy that could be opened to him shortly…. dude don’t take me completely wrong, but i do want this to zing you a little bit. You talk as if pac did something great to become a congressman, really. what did he do other than be famous and rich? go ahead i’ll wait for the answer to that one.
You know we got a black guy who won the South Carolina senate election, very unknown and unpopular. Nobody wants him there because he altho he won he does not have educational,legal,administrative,constitutional knowledge background really required for the job. But hey the terminator is a gov or cali, so money and fame without brain goes pretty far.
you know what dude, you say mayweather waited untill mosley was 2 old. but you know what, thats the same old a@@ roach/pac ducked and said was too good a fighter when shane flew from cali to pac gym to fight him. say what you want dude, but you make yourself look silly when you say it.
just heard on the radio that Floyd didnt sign because his trainer he has had all his career aka roger has a court case coming up soon and he expected to go down … so prison
also Floyd has this kind of OCD type disorder were he wants and needs all of the physical and mental terms on his side … which i can believe and thats why he wouldnt get a new trainer
sad really because this is were both fighters legacy will be made especially for floyd, nobody can say he isnt talented but you also carnt say he took on all comers
Manny Pacquiao less so as he is congressman, maybe he will be a senator in a few years and 15 years down the line he may be president thats a whole new legacy that could be opened to him shortly
bottom feeder mayweathers to big ppv s were the 1st oscar s bigest ppv not mayweathers which you could give oscar the 1st seven rds there 4 the fight the 2nd hopping mosley kicked his arse which mayweather waited untill mosley was 2 old thats why he took the fight so most off mayweathers ppv are hopeing he gets his arse kicked there 4 the pac mans easy the biggest draw and the best chance off maywather loseing that fake o.if maywather wants to be remanber 4 being brave he not going the right way about it
Floyd’s On Roids nawh on the streets, it’s on and popping, there is no talking at all. Thats why I was like d@mn when Floyd got into it with that big a@@ 300 pound rapper Rick Ross, but it was in the streets/club wasn’t no time for talking, Floyd knuckled up on homie real quick. The same way when him and big muscle bound a@@ 230lb rapper 50 cent had their fist fight a few years ago. Dude i’m telling you, Floyd nice in and out the ring.
pac gonna be waiting as long as he has this kind of attitude
“I don’t know what really happened here but there are two things,” Arum said. “One, Manny didn’t really want the fight, which I doubt. Secondly, we all know Manny is a gambler, a poker player. He pac probably figured if he was strong to the end, they would fold and they didn’t.”
Pac was hoping and praying that hatton folded. I thought pac was a humble non greedy guy, an example for his country and that type of greed was against his customs and belief system. But arum say he like to gamble. word has it pac has to fight 4-5 times a year to pay off gambling debts he makes. That’s word on the streets.
@ bottom feeder
Sorry bro! Cool. I was talking about if anybody got in a fight on the streets. There really wouldn’t be any time to say, “I’m not interested in fighting right now!” By the time he got to his second word, he would’ve been sucker punched, or scooped up and slammed already!! That’s what I was refering to!
floyd came into this sport to make money. his father supported him during his internship, and as time went by he realized that this is a sport first and money came second, now he is in fix, not sure what to do. you can’t blame pacman, he’s still waiting, just like the rest of us
If its not one thing its the other. Mayweather doesnt want to fight pacman. He knows he’s beatable, even against an aging mosley he got rocked. He never wants to give re-matches to men who test him. Pac is calling him out. Mayweather could win, but even the determination of the jornalist here to keep painting mayweather in a golden light, is streight denial. Mayweather is walking away becoules he knows theirs a good chanice he will loose. He doesnt want to fight the pac bomb. Its too much of a risk. The amount of dammage Mayweather, yes mayweather becoules he is the only one wiggaling out of a fight, is doing to the boxing game is untold. If the supposid best fighter in the world wont fight his nearest competitor then whats the point of it all. He compares himself to robinson, whats that about? Robinson wouldnt shirk anyone, how many times did he fight la mota and over what period? Nuf said. Avram this avram that, bo£$ocks, pac wants to fight, Mayweather dosnt. ‘Oooooooo, its becoules pac doent want an std test, I dont want herpies, I wont get in the ring with him bla bla bla I want 45% yardy yardy bla, oooo my uncles in trouble im not going to fight’ Go grow some n*ts mayweather. Or at least dont have the cheek to compare yourself to fighters who earn next to nothing, fought everyone they could for what ever they could get, while living though depression, wars, loosing relatives. Can we please stop blowing smoke up this guy’s ar$e! Hes good but he’s ruaning any legacy he thinks he has.
Here arum is speaking about pac/hatton 2 which didn’t happen.
“I don’t know what really happened here but there are two things,” Arum said. “One, Manny didn’t really want the fight, which I doubt. Secondly, we all know Manny is a gambler, a poker player. He pac probably figured if he was strong to the end, they would fold and they didn’t.
Well seems like pac/arum playing ‘poker’ again, figured Floyd would fold lol. Somebody forgot to tell pac/arum that the game is chess not poker, checkmate, crown me.
What Ever!
bro its not about taking less money to fight those guys. even if he takes less money, that means no money for his arch enemy arum. so he will settle with fighting others for 20-40 million, thats zero for arum still. But also lets be real, every fighter who has ever fought all put off somebody at one point or another, even Ali passed on a few fights. Boxers are not crazy, they know they can’t beat everybody, so yes, even the greatest pass sometime. Pac avoided Shane, Floyd avoided Williams, but hell everybody avoiding Williams, dude arm span is longer than the current heavy weight champ of the world lol.
JUST WATCH THE ESPN VEDIO THEY CALL FLOYD A COWARD!!!HAHAHA THIS IS TRUE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT FLOYD SCARED BUT AFTER MANNY AGREED TO TEST NOW IS THE MONEY.
KNOW THE SAME THING FOR FLOYD I NEVER SEEN ANYBODY TURN DOWN A 50,40,45,46,48 WHATEVER MILLIONS DOLLAR FIGHT BECAUSE HE WANTS TO MAKE 52..PEOPLE MADE NOT BELIVE WHAT IM GOING TO SAY BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT FLOYD DONT WANT TO FIGHT BECAUSE MANNY WANTS 8OUNCE FLOYD WANTS 11OUNCE GLOVES.
Floyd’s On Roids Floyd ain’t gotta fight, he rich. He fight to keep getting richer, but the only thing he gotta do is to be black and live his life.
40/40 winner take extra, nonesense. If pac wants the fight Random test and take the smaller purse. Do you even know why they call it ‘purse’
bottom fedder those would be good fights for fm i agree with you on that we see eye to eye on that ,but the bigg but fm will not fight those guys to risky ,fm refusing to fight little no comp mp to fight a martinez or williams for less money think hard about that .
Who would give Floyd another 40 million payday, thats an easy question…. P. Williams, Sergio, even Bradley. Floyd no matter who he fight will always bring in between 30-40 million. Remember, he do have his own promotional company, he works for himself, there is no middle man he has to pay a 27% to like pac, all proceeds goes to Floyd. So in truth, when you look at all the guys out there especially with the new upcoming talent like the Khans, it’s plenty of fighters and money to be made out there. Which leaves me straching my head as to why arum is only looking at cotto and margicheato. i mean i know why, but i dont understand arum greed with this in house fighter sh1t.
How about they split the purse 40/40 and the winner gets the extra?
Mayweather looks really bad on this one.
@ bottom feeder
I’m keepin it real bro. That sucker punch comes first!You either fight back, take that ass whoppin or fold and run away!
I don’t get myself into any trouble to the point it leads to a fight. But, If you gotta fight, you gotta fight!
Imma go out on a limb and say I think Zab would be a good fight for pac. Zab is fast, slick, good power. Unlike the straight forward stationary slow fighters pac is use to fighting. Personally, I think if Zab returns to him old self he wins easily, but he come half stepping he going to sleep early. But Zab looked nice in his latest comeback fight. Bradley called pac out, but pac don’t want none of that, so take on Zab or williams?
Really, who the hell cares if Mayweather ever fights again….
box top 123 who is fm going to fight and make what a manny vs fm would make no one .that thought of a scam is funny ,fm is about money and saftey you should know that by now .there is no more saftey for fm he will be forced to fight .
i give jmm more credit for fighting fm than fm beating jmm.
TIGER 1223 USA
man i keep getting bashed for speaking the truth, i have said many times before arums deadline that they will not fight it’s a scam man if you have ever had an enemy in your life i doubt that you ran out and did everything you could to make their life better. it is human nature to wish the worst for your enemies and BOB ARUM AND FLOYD MAYWEATHER ARE ENEMIES i believe manny wants to fight floyd i believe floyd wants to fight manny but i also know arum will never be in a position to tell floyd what to do he can only do that with manny. BOB ARUM WANTS ALL THE MONEY AGAIN IF PAC FIGHTS COTTO ARUM WILL GET 27% OFF OF PAC AND 20% OFF COTTO SAME WITH MARGARITO, OR CLOTTEY OR YURI FORMAN, BUT FIGHTING FLOYD ONLY GETS HIM 27% HE WILL EVEN HAVE TO SPLIT THE PROMOTION WHICH MEANS MORE FOR FLOYD.. NOW TAKE SOME TIME AND RE READ THIS BEFORE YOU START BASHING
nobody in their right mind would want to take fight not knowing if their trainer would not be there. and the tax man, yall saw the 24/7 show, taxes suck big time, so why should he put himself into yet another tax bracket and give the man even more of his hard earned money(well not hard because he do what he do so easily lol). And hey the tax monster is serious, Wesley Snipes going to the big house 3 years for not paying his, they got my man from the Isley Brothers, for real yall, say what you want but Floyd a smart man, more money the harder the tax monster come down on you.
clottey will beat jmm easly why did floyed not fight clottey .
Yeah I know, they quick to scream fighter of the decade, but pac only became a household name in what the last 3-4 years. He was largely unknown until ODL put him on(he should pay homage and respect to ODL because ODL giving him a fight in the first place is what really made him a known figure). But we all know the decade award comes from the same clown who hate Floyd because Floyd is quick to get them told and put them in their place. But the ESPY award, that is chosen by us the fans, the people, so that makes that award that much more special to a fighter, to know it wasn’t a group of boxing political pundits making a choice, it was those who really care, us the fans.
yo tiger usa
at least floyd had the courage to fight shane!! maybe pac needs to fight a couple more clotteys! pac only became number 1 when because floyd retired..he mostly made his name beating fighters coming off fresh losses and alot of them floyd already beat! the only way pac fights top guys is at ridiculous cathchweights. I still rate him high up , i just think paciauo is highly overrated..
I think the most significant factor is the Nov 13 date that Arum/Pacquiao have set. Floyd has two very big reasons not to be looking to fight again this year – tax and uncle Roger’s trial in August. No fighter wants to take on a fight knowing his trainer may be jailed halfway through preparation, it’s just too risky. I think they’ll talk again about May 2011 and sign a deal for the fight, provided Roger isn’t in singsing.
fm did not even pass up sugar ray or duran yet.
@ boxtop123
I Know what you mean, man! I’d rather see Pacquiao fight Williams, or Bradley for his next fight, instead of Cotto or Magarito. Bob Arum feels safe with Cotto & Margarito because they are part of the Top Rank boxing stable. That’s what puts them in line. I’m sure Bob Arum will come to his senses and realize the fans want to see Pacquiao fight Williams, Bradley, Martinez and a Marquez III fight! Fighters outside the Top Rank stable!
here is a post from BOB ARUMS BIOGRAPHY
MAYBE SOME OF YOU PACQUIAO FANS CAN SEE WHAT YOU R DEALING WITH
Controversies
While working as a boxing promoter, Arum had been involved in many feuds and controversies.
In 1994, he was involved with John Daly for the High Noon in Hong Kong boxing event. The fights were called off at the last minute when Barry Hearn withdrew his fighters as no purses were forthcoming. John Daly blamed Arum when he said, “I’ve tried desperately to convince my partners to keep the faith. I offered them as much security as I could but it was not quite good enough. It seems I was ready to take the shots, but Mr Arum wasn’t.”[2]
He has been involved in a forty year feud with Don King, who once called him a “rat fink” in 2000 for admitting during a federal trial that he bribed the International Boxing Federation president in order to gain a more favorable rating for one of his fighters. [1] [2]
He was penalized $125,000 by the Nevada State Athletic Commission in 1995 for a bribe to get one of his fights sanctioned.
In 2003, Arum complained about the judging in the September 13 bout between Oscar De La Hoya and Sugar Shane Mosley and suggested there was a vendetta against him from a member of the Nevada State Commission that led to DeLa Hoya’s loss. Arum later apologized for the remark which commission chairman Luther Mack accepted. [3]
On the first week of January 2004, FBI agents raided Arum’s Top Rank office in Las Vegas. Arum was on vacation when his office was raided, and the FBI originally declined to comment on the raid. The media reported that the FBI was investigating allegations that Top Rank was involved in fixing the rematch between de la Hoya and Shane Mosley, even though De La Hoya lost and Arum was De La Hoya’s promoter. The federal agency also announced that it was investigating some of Eric Esch’s fights, as well as the Jorge Páez-Verdell Smith fight. The investigation closed in the summer of 2006 with no charges being filed.
In 2007, Floyd Mayweather Jr., who Arum promoted from 1996–2006, accused him of both underpaying and undermarketing him while exploting his talents and manipulating officials.
box top where did you come up with that thought .fm not whanting the biggest pay day of his carrer and he refuses it .and you come up with that thought boggls my mind .
BOTTOM FEEDER
i like your style and you get an A for your math as well but pac fans wont see it, i put his championship run in line with that of hector camacho sr.
Floyd’s On Roids, real talk, growing up in the streets of Chicago, people challenged you all the time, Ive told several people im not intrested in beefing with you, didn’t mean I was scared, I just had no interest in beef at the time, didn’t mean that me and my brothers still didn’t plan to whoop dude(s) a@@es later on tho.
Lets keep it real dawg, when Sahne went to pac gym Twice to fight pac and was turned away, and roach said shane was too good of a fighter, does that mean pac was scared?
fm did not destroy shane .manny destroyed oscar delahoya ,thats what i call getting destroyed.fm is playing it safe.dont be suprised if fm fights someone like mathew hatton next ,fm the greatest ?
boxtop123, you hit the nail on the head buddy. Couldn’t be more correct. But what you said is difficult for most of the posters here to understand. Instead of thinking with a clear mind, they only going off of blind hate, so they fail to see the truth and realness in what you said.
If someone wanted to fight you and you respond, “I am not interested in fighting right now” What does that make you!
Pacquiao came to Floyd. Next time around Floyd’s coming to Pacquiao, to akks for the fight, and next time around It’s 60/40 in favor of Manny Pacqiao! Floyd refused, because he’s not interested. But, when he is, he has to come to Manny Pacquiao.
Mayweather’s uncharacteric few words tells it all. He does not want to lose his perfect record especially now that he has some money form the 2 previous fights, why risk it. He is an embarassment to his profession, his fans, to all the boxing fans alike, his friends, his family, his people especially to the great black boxers like Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Hearns, Leonard, etc., etc. Somebody said before that the possibility of fighting Pacquiao frightens Mayweather. I thought that was ridiculous, but now I know I was wrong. He is a coward.
FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD: Pac dropped out of school because he didn’t like random test.
Before Floyd smacked Shane, Shane was considered the best welter weight in the world, hands down. Floyd destroy him now you guys make excuses. But pac ducked Shane twice, now tell me i’m lieing, say it Twice, open wide when you say it, TWICE
Floyd don’t have to respond to no arum deadline, Floyd is a grown a@@ man. Pac didn’t agree to eandom nothing, 14 day is not Random. Pac has to fight 5 times a year to even close close to what Floyd make only fighting once. Floyd gave pac room to shine when he stepped away for a few years, Floyd came back and beat the man who beat pac, Marquez. pac better put down the juice, give himself a lil time to dry out and rehabilitate.
50\50 fm does not deserve more than 50 % ,one he fought a smaller jmm who came up 2 divisions ,and fm just came out of retirement .two fm fought a game but old sm ill give fm a little credit for the decision win .while mp fought cotto and clotty witch are tougher fights .50 /50 mannt does deserve 60 \40
FLOID ON ROIDS
thats precisely the problem stand in what line? do you mean the top rank line please someone tell me why no pacfans are mad that bob arum is protecting this guy with safe fights R U SERIOUS
During Floyd Mayweather Jr.’s 2 year menstrual cycle, Manny Pacquiao stayed active as a fighter. Pacquiao fought 5 fights!
Mayweather said he just wants to be treated fairly. So, to be fair, Floyd should fight 5 more times to have an even number of fights with Pacquiao, during his 2 year retirement. Then he can ask.. I mean akks for a 60/40 revenue split! You can’t come out of retirement, fight 2 fights and ask for a 60/40 split! He has to step in line with the rest of the contenders, and work his way to the top! Now, that’s fair!!!!The world of boxing doesn’t revolve around Floyd Mayweather Jr.!
Floyd is just trusting his instinct by not fighting Manny, he’s not gonna be KO’d. Sure If he’s gonna fight Manny..100%..he’s gonna be KO’d.
Pacquiao es the #1 pound for pound and Floyd is #2 so to make this short none has the right to have more than the other, this is a lot of $ and a 50-50 is nothing but fair, the arrogance of the big p#@sy to ask for more is nothing but that and on top for the first time he had his big mouth shot, what a sissy
Floyd Deserves every bit of 60/40 split. He’s the bigger draw on ppv, undefeated, Manny is the underdog, Floyd is faster,smarter,more accurate,better counter puncher, better footwork, better at setting up punches,he has a 5 inch reach advantage. Pacfans make me laugh. Why would he be scared of Manny when he knows he would cake walk him. He already said Manny would be an easy fight you thought he was joking. Manny has no defense for floyd and is not smart enough for Floyd. All he does is throw a lot of punches. Pacman fans don’t know anything about boxing, he won’t throw 1200 useless puches against floyd like he did Clottey. Floyd is much better at defense than clottey and Manny couldn’t break Clottey’s guard with those wide punches. What makes you think that he’s going to break down Floyd cause you say he punches harder? After watching Floyd beat shane the way he did I think Floyd has more power than Manny too. Manny couln’t even move clottey.
FMJ wasn’t fighting Manny no matter what the split was. Didn’t Fmj say he wasn’t interested in fighting right now? So the split never mattered. Stop making excuses.
T back, my girl has one of those, she call it a T back I just say thong, they look the same hell. But anyway, Floyd not about to run out of money no time soon. dude, he just had checks roll in from his ODL fight, and that was how long ago. He wasn’t even expecting those checks to roll in this year. So when you combine that with the Mosley fight, the tax man want to tax that man to death lol. It’s business dude, the tax man saying d@mn this dude bringing in big buck, lets get ours. Why take another fight and let the blood sucking irs get even more? Dude, learn business, tax brackets, write offs etc. and then you will understand alot of why sports figures do alot of the things they do. Trust me I know, my nephew played for the Falcons and the Raiders. More money the more the tax man ride your a@@.
bottom, peace. lol it’s just boxing and just sharing our thoughts! non of us getting rich on becoming die hard fan. hope they’re both realize the situation of boxing vs MMA
I’m back, i’m straight now.
@Carlito, you are partially right, people want to see him loose, but there are equally the amount who want him to win. It does not matter if you tune in to watch him win or loose, you tune in. So by all common sense, that makes his PPV numbers larger, which basically says, the guy is more popular regardless why you choose to see him. Just like Ali, he was loved and hated. Same sh1t different day.
floyd is very rich now just wait untill he loose his money. Absolutely he going to fight again.
@ bible of boxing. very nice comment. hopefully some of the floyd fans will be enlighten because for them its all about PPV and not the character of the boxer is important. a boxer should have a warrior mentality and not a businessman. anyway it was the floyd fans money that make floyds rich. floyd con them for years and floyd not giving anything back to his fans. CARRY ON RUNNING FLOYD AND RETIRE AGAIN FOR THE 3RD TIME, IM SURE IT WILL CEMENT YOUR LEGACY!! LOL
“We waited for his response for 3 weeks deadline” No silly, you waited for a 3 week ARUM deadline that even ARUM himself didn’t take silly. I better get my coffee because here come some more truth………. In the weeks I have sat getting my hair cut in @ barber shops, and everybody in the shop overall concensus was F@ck Arum and his deadline. Here in the black community we already knew Floyd was gonna not just say no, but Hell F@ck NO!
We give pac his props, but business men see things differently, everything is about a profit. look man imma go grad this cup of coffee and come back and talk to you, I don’t wanna give away too much truth this morning. Give me 4-5 minutes dude.
THE ONLY REASON FLOYD HAS MORE PPV NUMBERS IS BECAUSE EVERYONE PAYS FOR HIM 2 GET K0′D
hehehe! bottom’s still fighting with PBF but your idol doesn’t care about you and other boxing fans.. We waited for his response for 3 weeks deadline so that his fans dont wait for nothing in just one word ” NO” just send a text message cost 50 cents saying “NO!” I think as a PBF fan it’s not worth for fight for him!
totoy, why you barebacking that fool?
I agree with bible 100%!
Bible of boxing, YOU LIE! See people wonder why I stopped going to church. People always taking truth(bible) and twisting it and f@cking it up.
PBF/DeLaHoya – 2.4 million
Pac/DeLaHoya – 1.25 million
That’s a plus 1.15 million for PBF
PBF/Marquez – 1.05 million
Pac/Marquez – 500 thousand
That’s a plus 550 thousand for PBF despite the fact that this was a rematch of a highly entertaining
match between Pac & JMM. PBF still doubled Pac in revenue despite his “boring” style.
PBF/Hatton – 850 thousand
Pac/Hatton – 825 thousand
This is the closest Pac has gotten to PBF regarding common opponents.
PBF/Mosley – 1.4 million
Pac/Cotto – 1.25 million
Again, a plus 150k for Mayweather.
Add it all up and you have:
PBF – 5.7 million buys vs common opponents
Pac – 3.8 million buys vs common opponents
5,700,000 divided by 9,525,000 = 60%
3,825,000 divided by 9,525,000 = 40%
It’s simple math. and the numbers don’t lie lie you mr. bible.
Even if Pacquiao accepted the 60-40, Mayweather still not interested. He didn’t say “I won’t fight Pacquiao because 50-50 is no go” instead he said “I’m not interested, I will take some time for my vacation with my family”.
In other words, he lose without even punching Manny.
ciel ESPN did not call him anything. One big mouth commentator did. But imma keep it real with you this morning, here in the black community, Wilbon has very little street creds. He is often seen as ‘puppet ni@@a’. So Pardon The Interruption, i’m just in a keep it real mood this morning, I might be better after I get my cup of coffee.
Coward Pretty Boy Floyd is only after the money not because of his crazy funs. Wake up Floyd funs be realistic he really doesn,t want to fight the greatest boxing of all time.
Did Pacquiao blow it by demanding 50/50? Are you for real or are you just looking for hits? Geez!
If Floyd really wanted to face Manny this fight would have happened since last year. Sugar Ray Leonard came back and fought Marvin Hagler as his 1st fight. Floyd came back as he says to win back his crown etc and did not even have the guts to face a real welterweight for the 1st time. Instead he dragged a shopworn old natural featherweight all the way up to 144. And worse, he came in over the agreed limit.
If he wanted to beat up Manny whom he and his family always said was an easy victim, should he not have fought him then? ok, let’s give him the JMM as a warm up. What does he do next? He starts mouthing off against Manny saying he is his own man and Manny is not. If Manny wanted to fight him he would say so and we could get it on.
Manny immediately responded that he wanted Floyd badly as he was preparing for elections. So what did Floyd do next? He and his family began a crusade agains Manny being on PEDS.
I can recall Ali saying stuff about opponents but NOT to avoid facing them. It was either to build them up as a credible opponent when he knew they were not, or to get them angry or belittle them if he knew they were very good. But he would never try to avoid any guy in the top ten. Go check the top guys in the 60′s and 70′s . He fought them all!
Floyd talks a lot and I find it amusing. But he does not back the bravado up in the ring. I see a very skillful guy but not one who is willing to put it aall on the line like Leonard, Hearns, Chavez, Duran, Hagler, Pryor and Arguello. I see a guy who cherishes his 0 so much that he prefers to take the easy fightsand preserve that 0.
His win aginst Mosley looked great but come on if Mosley did not seem to tire for no apparent reason after rd 2, we would not be talking about Floyd today. If people really want to see true defence, see Wilfredo Benitez, Pernell Whittaker, Willie Pep etc. These are guys who not only made you miss but punished you all while taking chances. Floyd sits in the pocket like a sniper and picks of slow, old, injured and or unsuspecting fighters. That is why he will not face the top welters. He has been a welter for many years and has found a way to avoid the top guys. He either pretends he is retiring again like he is now. Or he just flat out says he can beta those guys because they already lost or he just says they are no good.
So to the sensational headline of this writer. I wish to just say that no matter what Manny agreed to, Floyd will find a way to use his get out of jail free card and avoid facing him. In fact he no longer has a get out of jail free card and so he invoked his own notwithstanding clause, in other words, he invoked his own rules and just decided not to fight. This is no surprise because he already has been invoking his own rules just to avoid facing top guys for years.
Floyd Meekwhether. yes, He is meek and does not know whether he wants to fight or not. Actually, he wants to fight but only people who have no chance to beat him. I am so mad that I will NEVER watch him fight again!
mark fletcher seriously dude, the back street boys could sell out the dallas stadium with butt a@@ cheap tickets, thats not a difficult thing to do, but eveybody know Jones took it in the shorts on that deal, he took a huge loss on that gamble, he even pre-bought up tickets but had to dump them at even lower sales rates. I’m not busting your chops dude. But to say Floyd beating smaller fighters is dumb, pac recent list of victories come against guys Floyd beat up first, so if not giving Floyd credit for the similiar opponents, equally take the credit away from pac for the same opponents, but you cant do that because if you go back to the beginning and take the first huge pac win away, you the one the one over oscar Dl, that would then mean pac wouldnt even be a common household name. floyd was and has been a household name, but it the win over ODL that made people know who pac was. So dude seriously tongue in cheek, don’t knock opponents. Just justify your arguement with numbers. Numbers don’t lie bro.
purse split is not the reason why floyd didn’t sign the contract. if it was purse split, then floyd could have said that in the media instead of saying he’s not rushing anything right now which sounds more doubtful. besides, floyd believe he deserve more than 50-50 split so if ever that is the reason, then he could have continue bashing at pacman at the media and tell them he’s turning down the offer.
the truth is, floyd is afraid of pacman. no less than the ESPN called him “COWARD”
RhodriK I personally think 50/50 is good also. I be honest because I am not rich just give me 2 percent of that amount and I would be butt a@@ happy. But when I say that Floyd by all equations should receive more that is strictly from a business perspective. I am a small business owner, and we look at incoming and outgoing, gains etc. So from a personal perspective, take 50/50 fight, but from a business perspective give me more of the share. These guys will fight there is no doubt. But arum already knew with roger going to court in August and nobody not knowing the outcome, he already knew Floyd wasn’t about to make a decision. Pac said long before that he would not fight if roach couldn’t be by his side, he would retire, so why in the hell would arum even try to Force Floyd in that position. But boxing is a business first, sad but very true. Business, that why we will not have Bradley and Khan fight, business….
im not afraid of pacquiao, i’m afraid of losing my “O”
Pac deserves a 50/50 split, whilst Floyd was on a two year break, letting the big names take eachother out before making a safe return, Pacman has made huge waves destroying opponents in more devastating fashion than Floyd (De La Hoya and Hatton) and selling out the Dallas Cowboys Stadium against Clottey).
As someone pointed out Pretty Boy sold more ppv’s than Pac did against Oscar because people thought Oscar would win, against Pacman everyone thought, ‘looks like oscars cherry pickin a small fighter’ just for Pacman to destroy him and start a legacy…
I cosign
PPV sales, 2007, 2008, 2010 ESPN ESPYs Best Fighter Award voted strictly from popular fan base. All indications clearly show Floyd is the most popular. Seem that the only time pac get anything is when Floyd steps away from the boxing game lol. He only temporarily got p4p because Floyd let him have it by retiring and he only got the espy 2009 because Floyd took it easy that year lol. Sucks being pac and having Floyd Mayweather in the boxing game, because every year Floyd dominates. And Floyd has been dominating for truly a decade, pac only been for the last 3-4 years. pac got his charity decade award voted by a group of 42, Floyd got his awards by popular demand, by the people, the fans, the you’s and me’s….. see the difference lol
Jay and bottom feeder, i like your maths and your proving a good point, however i think a 50/50 split is entiarly reasonable. The ppv’s aren’t different enough i believe to make a fuss about. If it’s true that mayweather is demanding a 60/40 split i think he is being greedy and shows he is just willing to complicate a fight that millions of fans demand. It is all a battle of egos. Shame shame shame.
why you cant accept the fact that may is afraid of fact?
thats plain and simple!
pac deserves every bit of 50/50 split!!
B.O.R.I.N.G.
@Nic- your reasoning that JMM was not a household before he fought Pac is childish , how come their return match managed only 400 000? The truth hurts and the truth is Floyd knows how to hype his fights and how to promote his fights. Live with that mate Floyd is a bigger star.
Dear Pac fans whether Pac is more popular than Floyd thats not the point coz Pac,s popularity is not reflected by his sales .How many times do u want to base your argument on those basis. U can be more popular being supported by a very large percentage of poor people and it will not help your business. Figures dont lie Floyd has done better than Pac in PPV sales. Floyd deserves 60 and Pac 40 according to the figures which are there for everybody to see.
Nah. That can’t be mah lil floyd. The one on TV is a fake. Mah lil’ floyd ain’t scared of nobody. Mah lil’ floyd ain’t a pus.y.
I Cosign
PBF/DeLaHoya – 2.4 million
Pac/DeLaHoya – 1.25 million
That’s a plus 1.15 million for PBF
PBF/Marquez – 1.05 million
Pac/Marquez – 500 thousand
That’s a plus 550 thousand for PBF despite the fact that this was a rematch of a highly entertaining
match between Pac & JMM. PBF still doubled Pac in revenue despite his “boring” style.
PBF/Hatton – 850 thousand
Pac/Hatton – 825 thousand
This is the closest Pac has gotten to PBF regarding common opponents.
PBF/Mosley – 1.4 million
Pac/Cotto – 1.25 million
Again, a plus 150k for Mayweather.
Add it all up and you have:
PBF – 5.7 million buys vs common opponents
Pac – 3.8 million buys vs common opponents
5,700,000 divided by 9,525,000 = 60%
3,825,000 divided by 9,525,000 = 40%
It’s simple math.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!! FLOY THE KID IS SCARED!!! HIDING COZ HE RAN OUT OF EXCUSES TO DUCK THE BEST EVER PAQUIAO!!! LOL
@jay,
thank you for the math, that was very good if we’re dealing with a fourth grader.
Marquez is like caviar, you have to develop a taste for it. Marquez was never a household name before the pacquiao fights. Pac’s name sort of rub on him. there you go Kiddo.
you know ur wrong, dont u?
Thanks Ashishwarrior for your “indepth” and “knowledgable” contribution to this conversation.
another fact jay is in bed with mayweather right now
pac did not blow nothing mayweather to busy blowing ellbere thats nwhy he missed deadline
Some more FACTS:
PBF/DeLaHoya – 2.4 million
Pac/DeLaHoya – 1.25 million
That’s a plus 1.15 million for PBF
PBF/Marquez – 1.05 million
Pac/Marquez – 500 thousand
That’s a plus 550 thousand for PBF despite the fact that this was a rematch of a highly entertaining
match between Pac & JMM. PBF still doubled Pac in revenue despite his “boring” style.
PBF/Hatton – 850 thousand
Pac/Hatton – 825 thousand
This is the closest Pac has gotten to PBF regarding common opponents.
PBF/Mosley – 1.4 million
Pac/Cotto – 1.25 million
Again, a plus 150k for Mayweather.
Add it all up and you have:
PBF – 5.7 million buys vs common opponents
Pac – 3.8 million buys vs common opponents
5,700,000 divided by 9,525,000 = 60%
3,825,000 divided by 9,525,000 = 40%
It’s simple math.
I can’t believe people are already passing judgement on Mayweathers refusal to sign without even knowing the demands the Pacquiao camp set. He set Floyd huge demands in the first fight which he accepted, yet Manny wouldn’t accept drug testing. I could only imagine now that Manny has accepted drug testing that his demands on Floyd would be even greater.
Also if you listened to Bob Arum’s conference call, the fight negotiations were between Arum and Ross Greenberg of HBO, Leonard Ellerby was right when he said the Mayweathers were not in negotiations. These negotiations didn’t even include GBP, it was only through Greenberg that De La Hoya and GBP were able to find out what was happening. The result is a contract that was formed by Team Pacquiao and HBO with no input whatsoever from GBP or Team Mayweather. Very one-sided
He’d have to be nuts to sign it.
good one chris, so how did u come up with that again?
floyd’s excuse is only the rest, he never mention any condition for a fight with pac to take place.
everything on the negotiation is fine except floyd doesn’t want to fight.
this writer is using Manny’s name so his writing will be read. try to write topics aside from manny pacman. u will not be read 100% sure, because you are a redundant and no talent in writing..
No, I think the negotiations were blown the instant Manny said he would fight Floyd and give in to his drug testing demands. Manny answered his calland Floyd backed off. Not too long ago people were saying Mosley was avoiding PBF back in the day b/c he wanted to take a vacation with his family when Floyd called him out and now Floyd is the one making the excuses. If Floyd is about the money, this fight would make Floyd more money than he has ever made. I never ever thought that PBF was scared when the negotiations were blown the first time around and I thought PBF would be the one to defeat Manny, but now I just think PBF is scared to lose to Manny, not just lose, but lose in a devastating fashion.
he’s just scared.. that’s all.. williams..sing another tune
No Mayweather never wanted it for now anyway because Roger Mayweather might have been banged up in jail in the last 4 months
I completely agree. Never in the history of boxing has the guy bringing in the most revenue, credentials, record, etc. as Mayweather not received the bigger purse, especially during a pretty large bout such as this. Pac is just use to getting his way, thats why so many of his previous fights almost fell apart because he constantly demanding more money, well he has ran up on a bigger star, one who easily makes 30-40 million a fight, so it’s time Arum put his and pac little egos in check and bow down gracefully to the bigger star of the event.