Pacquiao vs. Mayweather – An Answer to Who Is More Popular
June 21st, 2010
By Ryan Dunn: I thought it would be an interesting challenge to figure out who is more popular between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. Was there someone with a magic formula to answer the question once and for all? I wasn’t concerned with who was the better boxer, since that cannot be definitively proven. But could I determine something as elusive as popularity? I wondered.
But where to begin? The PPV numbers? Please, those digits are spun more than a six year old on a tilt-a-whirl. Information from the promoters? Honestly, that might, in fact, be an oxymoron. Awards, belts and trophies? Many will argue their merits based on biased judges. What about a fighter’s record? Too hard to quantify the complex dynamics of the fighter’s pedigree, which fighters were peaking when they fought them, etc.
YouTube!!
Next to Google, YouTube is one of the most popular websites on the planet. From there, I investigated both Floyd and Manny’s views on Youtube. I found the ten most popular videos from each (based on the criteria below).
For good measure, I did the same with each of their most recent opponents (For Floyd I investigated Mosley, for Pacquiao I looked into Clottey). I was hoping that doing this would shed some light on how they performed at the PPV box office a little better (my findings, as you will see, were creepily accurate).
I set some logical criteria, as follows:
First, I only counted the most viewed clips relating to the actual fighters (ie. not some pretty girl fantasizing about Mayweather, or some hater predicting a Pacquiao fight). Next, I omitted videos which involved another fighter from the list (example, I didn’t count a Pacquiao vs. Clottey highlight, since they cancel each other out). Finally, I kept the subject matter strictly related to boxing (no Wrestlemania, no karaoke, no music videos).
And without further ado, here are the results, the numbers given in millions (rounded up or down to the nearest 100,000).
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
3.5 – “Oscar de la Hoya vs. Floyd Mayweather”
2.1 – “Roy Jones vs. Floyd Mayweather”
2.1 – “Floyd Mayweather jr.”
2.0 – “floyd mayweather highlight”
1.6 – “Zab Judah Vs Floyd Mayweather”
1.5 – “50 Cent At Floyd Mayweather’s Big Boy Mansion”
1.3 – “Floyd Mayweather Vs Ricky Hatton Final Round TKO”
1.1 – “50 Cent & Floyd Mayweather – On The Way To The Ring”
1.0 – “Sugar Ray Leonard vs Floyd Mayweather”
1.0 – “Floyd Mayweather Jr vs. Ricky Hatton”
TOTAL: 17.2M Views
Manny Pacquiao
2.2 – “HBO Boxing: Marquez vs. Pacquiao II”
2.2 – “Greatest Fights of Manny Pacquiao”
2.0 – “HBO Boxing: Marquez vs Pacquiao II Highlights”
1.9 – “Manny Pacquiao”
1.7 – “HBO Boxing: Pacquiao vs. Cotto – Fight Preview”
1.6 – “Manny Pacquiao Greatest KO!!!”
1.6 – “PACQUIAO vs COTTO – FIREPOWER HD”
1.6 – Manny Pacquiao vs Ricky Hatton Countdown!!!”
1.6 – “Pacquiao Vs. Morales III”
1.4 – “Manny Pacquiao Stopped Ricky Hatton in the 2nd round”
TOTAL: 17.8M Views
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Shane Mosley
0.9 – “Shane Mosley Vs Antonio Margarito”
0.8 – “Mosley Vs. Cotto Highlights”
0.5 – “Miguel Cotto vs Shane Mosley RD 11-12″
0.4 – “shane mosley knockout”
0.4 – “Shane Mosley: Greatest Hits”
0.3 – “Cotto vs Mosley Round 10″
0.3 – “Mosley vs Mayorga Highlights (HBO)”
0.3 – “Mosley vs Mayorga – Last Round”
0.2 – “Miguel Cotto vs Shane Mosley RD 1-2″
0.2 – “MARGARITO’S ILEGAL HANDWRAP VIDEO”
TOTAL: 4.3M Views
Joshua Clottey
0.8 – “Miguel Cotto vs Joshua Clottey Highlights (HBO)”
0.6 – “Antonio Margarito vs Joshua Clottey R1-2″
0.3 – “Margarito vs Clottey”
0.1 – “Zab Judah vs Joshua Clottey”
0.1 – “Joshua Clottey Highlight”
0.1 – “margarito vs clottey”
0.1 – “Cotto vs Clottey Round 12″
0.1 – “Joshua Clottey Vs Diego Corrales Part 2″
0.1 – “Joshua Clottey Vs Diego Corrales Part 5″
0.1 – “Joshua Clottey Vs Diego Corrales Part 3″
TOTAL: 2.4M Views
Based on my research, Pacquiao is 4% more YouTube Popular™ than Floyd Mayweather Jr.
The second thing that should jump out at you, however, is that while Pacquiao has a higher 10-video total, Mayweather has the single highest viewed video on the list (this echoes his performance with ODLH, compared with Pacquiao’s sustained and growing popularity).
The third thing you’ll notice is the view spread between Clottey and Mosley, and how that relates to the PPV events this year. Mosley has a 45% higher view count than Clottey. Now here’s the scary part… Mosley did 47% higher PPV numbers than Clottey (750,000 to Mosley’s 1.4M).
In the words of Neo: “Whoa!”
As a back up, I Google’d “Floyd Mayweather” and got 3.54M results. Then I Google’d “Manny Pacquiao” and got 3.97M results (Pacquiao, thus, is 14% more Google Popular™). The gap is actually a little higher, since the “Floyd Mayweather” query will catch posts about Floyd’s father, but I figured it would be minimal (and adding the “Jr.” would omit hundreds of thousands of pages).
At the end of the day, I think I may have found a winning formula for determining popularity. After all, the numbers don’t lie, and neither does internet tracking. So until someone else comes along with a better method, this is your resident statistician, signing off from NYC.
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@ Ryan Dunn
I think if Mayweather or Pac were scheduled to fight either of us in a month or so, our youtube/google queries would sky rocket also.
When the whole world doubts you,
Your own country has little faith in you.
Denied an early victory because of a bad call,
You don’t give up, you give it you’re all.
Landon and his team showed heart and spirit,
In front of adversity, they fought on, never quit.
So as to keep the dream alive in South Africa,
That someday the trophy will come to America.
I know, we are all fans of boxing,
Support our guys achieve the dream.
World Cup 2010.
GO USA!!! GO USA!!! GO USA!!!
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Pacquiao – “Mayweather is afraid to fight me”.
Dang, boy!!!
Ya accusin’ my boy Floyd???!!!
Floyd, comma over here. This man here sez’ you’re afraid of figtin’ him.
Floyd!!! Where ya at boy?
Floyd, say it ain’t so.
Floyd!!! What?!! I can’t hear ya!!!
Shut up David Haye, let Floyd answer for his self!
What??? Dang!!! Come out from under that bed!!!
And you too David Haye!!!
Listen up, them guys said – the Klitschko guy and that Pacquiao guy, sez’ you boys are afraid to fight ‘em.
What??? I can’t hear ya!
What??? Yo, get back here!!!
Yo!!! David!!! Yo!!! Floyd!!!
Dang!!! They’re off…
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I AM A BIG FAN OF **MAYWEATHER** BUT I HAVE 2 BE HONEST I THINK HE IS REALLY SCARED FOR THE FIRST TIME
MAYWEATHER IF YOU READ THIS FIGHT THE MAN AND PROVE THAT YOUR THE BEST EVERY BOXER THAT WANTS 2 BE THE BEST FIGHT THE BEST AND IF YOU DON’T WANT 2 BOX THIS GUY JUST SAY SO THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BEEN SCARED BEEN SCARED IS PART OF NATURE WHAT IS NOT PART OF NATURE IS LIEING 2 YOUR SELF AND YOUR** FANS*
@Deinonychus
“should a boxer popularity determine the purse split? Why not: winner takes 60, loser takes 40, for all fights?”
Boxing is a strange sport that way, and probably less of a sport because of it. From the commission to the promoters to the gamblers to the venues to the camps to the athletes, there is so much money “laundering” that the entire negotiation process is fraught with insane amounts of greed and money-grabbing.
Winner’s purses have so many implications. It would mean, since promoters work mostly in percentages and guarantees, that the loser and their promoters would have to take the hit together. The trainers also, and the fitness coaches, and the advisers, managers, and down the line.
That just isn’t likely to happen.
The only way you can really advocate a real push for winner’s purses would be to get the commissions to force them on the fighters as rules. While they were at it, they should unify belts, and force fighters to defend their championships more vehemently.
Oh, and they could update their urine testing, and get a blood passport put into place to cover their asses on safety in boxing. They have gotten very lax since the Duk Koo Kim incident over 25 years ago now.
Did you know that championship fights went down from 15 rounds to 12 because of the Duk Koo Kim incident? The standing 8 count was instated as a result also.
…ryan
@TheGreatest27
You know I hadn’t thought of it that way. It is definitely possible that the buzz from both fighters and the prospect of fighting has boosted his popularity, though I think it would be equal on both sides.
And also, YouTube hits are permanent, and none of Floyd’s other opponents are anywhere close to Pacquiao’s numbers on there (except ODLH of course).
So there’s a chance your theory may hold water, but I truly think both of these guys have immense fan bases on their own. Their PPV numbers, if you can look past the spin, are not as astronomically different as some might make you think.
…ryan
@Deinonychus,
FYI – I’m not sure there’s been a Pac-Marquez III – LOL (even though I would like to see one at 135 or 140)…
Ryan, just to say I really enjoyed your article. It was fun to read.
People come up with all sort of criteria do decide wich fighter is more popular. The only criteria which I consider honest would be a referendum.
The PPV sales comparison is dishonest, because the other fighter also has his popularity rating. Furthermore, the sales could be explained also by good marketing from the promotores. Finally, all criteria most be analysed in terms of the time it occurred. We cant compare a PPV sales from Pacquiao vs Marquez III, for instance, and a Mayweather vs Marquez fight. The fight occured in different years. Pacquiao at the time didnt have the same popularity he has today and neither does Mayweather, for that matter. The promoters information is, as you say, an oxymoron. The youtube is the criterium that seems to be the less dishonest.
But let me ask you this – should a boxer popularity determine the purse split? Why not: winner takes 60, loser takes 40, for all fights?
@Ryan Dunn
I just read your article and you make a good point. I could see your logic. But one could also ask, could Manny be so popular at the moment because he is a future opponent of Floyd?
History shows Floyd’s past 5 opponents got their biggest pay day when they fought Floyd.
Seems like for some reason, ALL of Floyd’s opponents become extremely popular prior to engaging in the ring.
@Superstar Billy Graham says:
June 22, 2010 at 4:01 pm
george says:
June 22, 2010 at 3:43 pm
hey superstar billy graham
they need to add ur mother in as well, dude u sound like a redneck already and i have not even heard u talk
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@George
Why are so defensive? The Superstar didn’t insult you or use any profanity. The Superstar was just cluing you in why the Filipinos have this hate towards Floyd. Floyd was the one who made the first shot. If you don’t believe the Superstar got to youtube and type RA The Rugged Man vs Floyd Mayweather and go to 5:50 and you will hear Floyd insulting and accusing Manny and the Philippines of being cheaters. That is not right, and Floyds careless remark about the Philippines is just plain ignorant. There is no other reason by to conclude Floyd is totally ignorant about the Philippines and its people. Lets face it, Floyd may know boxing but he doesn’t know the world outside the US. One of the reason why Floyd is ignorant, lets be honest, he dropped out of school. So did his father and Uncle. Education is not a priority. Education is the cure for ignorance. At least Manny went back to school, finished it. And now attending college.
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Bam Bam Bam,,,George KO’D, Wow! Now that’s what I called…A PERFECT COUNTER PUNCHER!
@Al says:
You missed ” Fighter of the Year ” and ” Fighter of the Decade” at the same time and got the award at the same night.
@ PRIDE & HONOR says: I agree with your thoughts, count me in.
I meant the Pinoys can’t afford….
unreal ryan well again man.
alot of floyd fans are trying to discredit your findings. i’ve always said floyd is a national star, while manny is an international superstar.
people on here say ppv’s give the true indication of popularity, well the majority of the world cant afford ppv’s! thats a fact guys. but they can afford jumping on the the school pc or community pc and having a look at the hero(s)
@Ryan – I was a bit redundant in my last post…at work, so I lost track of my point. But, anyway…I hope it was clear enough.
@John Connor
Use your own judgment, whichever criteria you like.
@kray
I think we’re on the same page. Interesting speculation on Mayweather but I doubt Martinez and his team would be left in the dark if it were the case. I could be wrong.
…ryan
@Ryan Dunn – There may be a ‘good’ reason why they’ve been reluctant to get Martinez a date. And that reason could very well be that they are waiting to see what happens with Floyd and Manny. I don’t think Arum is in any rush to schedule another fight for Cotto either. For the same reason, obviously. Just my theory.
As far as both Floyd and Manny being able to pull off 20 mil+ with the other opponents, you mentioned, yes, I agree (in theory). But, the Arum factor will ensure that Manny won’t get that opportunity, IMO.
I do feel that Manny will have trouble making that kind of money without Floyd or another good B (or 1A) side. The reason I think Floyd can do it w/o Manny, and not vice-versa, is because of the Arum factor.
Floyd is free to pursue the fights he pleases; therefore, maximizing his revenue potential. While Manny is restricted to the confines of Top Rank. It’s not so much about his drawing power, it’s about who Arum chooses to pair him up with. A Cotto rematch, while frowned upon, would do well in NY, I think. But, in Cowboys stadium, I’m not so sure.
I meant to say when they had to dig deep within themselves…
Well that may take some time, let me get back to you and ill have an answer. By the way, I dont know how you deal with people who desire to be screen writers and on a personal level, but is there some advice you could give? I can give you my business email and would like some advice if possible.
P.s. And when you say best 3 fights, you mean most competitive, most dominating, or fights where they had top dig deep to pull out a victory? See what I mean? That can be answered depending on what youre asking…
@John Connor
To make this a bit of collaboration, give ne what you believe to be Floyds 3 best fights and Mannys 3. We can talk about those then.
…ryan
Ok Ryan, sounds good
Who really cares who is more popular? Floyd brings in more ppv revenue than anyone, period..In the end thats what counts when you start negotiations like purse spliting and such..people didnt like mike tyson either but they PAID to see him fight..so when he fought evander oldyfield the real was more popular but tyson was ppv king so he should get more..so there you go…
Great way of breaking it down. It’s pretty damn close. I cant imgaine how Mayweather would blow Pac out of the water if he wouldnt have “retired” for almost 2 years.
@John Connor
I’ll give you more details tonight. But right now I’ll put it like this:
On paper, Floyd is the better fighter. In the ring, I think both have an EQUAL shot at winning.
Evaluating who did more over the past decade is an article unto itself, but the bottom line is that Manny is a crowd pleasing fighter with a style about three tines more exciting to watch.
That, above all the technical stuff, is why I think he wins accolades.
…ryan
Oh and with the decade question, please give analysis on how one is better than the other, but one is fighter of the decade and all these awards as BEST P4P FIGHTER, if you choose PAC over mayweather for the previous questions.
Also Ryan, quick question, just for kicks, who do you truly believe as a fighter is better? I mean from the training, mit work, ring IQ, inside game, middle ring game, corner game, speed and efficiency, adaptation to styles as well as adaptation during the mid and champion rounds, countering, power, ring stats based of off times hit, to hitting the opponent, stamina, training regiement Dont know if you have heard of Floyds training regiment, weve heard a lot about mannys, but floyd we used to hear about), defense, offense, and total dealings with like and other opponents. So, with all that, thinking of it logically and truthfully, judging all the fights you have seen from then since their careers started, who do you think is better, who would you bet on? Now, after you answer that (if you do), I would also like to know how you feel personally who has proven without a shadow of a doubt, over the past decade, who is the better fighter. If you answer Pac, I would like to know what he did better than floyd, how he did it, and the wieghts and disticnt stiuations coming into the fight, and the same with floyd.
the arabs want’s a piece of pacquiao, Asians want’s a piece of pacquiao. And floyd who want’s a piece from you??? none but your few fellow floydiot fans…
@John Connor
Glad to have cleared that up. I’ll keep an eye on talking down to people. Sometimes I can’t resist, though.
…ryan
Its cool, I read what you wrote as well, and I see your points, and Im not saying that your points are stupid. I did however feel as though the article was. Stupid as in the data used, not stupid as in you being stupid. I want to be a scrren writer some day, so I actually admire you in that persective. Yes, a real man can admit he admires another even when he disagrees with ideas from that same individual.
@John Connor
Apologies on those partial post. Sent from train, can be a little spotty.
…ryan
@kray
Okay. That’s cool. And you may be right about Martinez, though I disagree, personally. HBO has been reluctant to even GET Martinez a fight date with ANYBODY. His trainer and manager are none too pleased.
However, your claim was $20-40M, and that is a big window. Beyond Mosley, I don’t see him making $40M, or anywhere close to it, unless he signs a contract right now with Manny. There just isn’t anyone else out there right now, in my view. Unless ODLH comes out of retirement for a rematch at LMW. Or unless he agrees to fight Mike Tyson.
Some $20M paydays for Floyd might be Martinez, P. Williams, Berto, Bradley, maybe even Angulo? That last one might be a stretch. If you remove Martinez (whom I feel is too large for Manny), you could basically say the same for Pacquiao against these fighters. Do you disagree?
Oh, and I was asking about right now, because he has an opportunity to fight Pacquiao RIGHT NOW. I thought (maybe incorrectly) that you were saying Floyd doesn’t need Manny, that he can go and make $20-40M without him, while Manny simply cannot. And I think both of those assessments are incorrect. I think Manny and Floyd can go after similar opponents, and command similar purses.
Floyd will get more, because he broke out from Top Rank to start his own promotional company. But there is overhead with running a company, also, and dovetailing in with GBP and the cuts involved on that side, so I don’t think his margins are as hugely different as some people make it out to be.
…ryan
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@vdog
To your point on Manny as a cheater, fair enough. I may not know enough details about Pacquiao and his infidelities.
I do not condone promiscuity. But I also do not proclaim Pacquiao or any other athlete to be a god of any kind.
…ryan
P.S. I do not delete posts on here, I promise. Email the admin, they will tell you they have a spam filter that sometimes doesn’t like a specific IP address, etc. Or if you use a real URL. Or if you use some variation on a curse word. Or…….. etc.
ALL THE WAY AROUND THE WORLD – MANNY! MANNY SHOULD BE THE ONE TO GET 60 PERCENT OF THE PURSE AND REVENUES NOT BORING FLOYD.
the “i’s” and the proper nouns.
@ryan -spacing,plus the fact i use all small letters.including the “i’s”….
ric
@Ryan Dunn – Right now…Jun 2010, I am not even sure is a sensible argument. Every fight needs time to simmer. So, I’m not sure why you are using NOW, as some type of reasonable timeline.
But, to humor you. Yes, a fight with Martinez, set for later this year, if signed NOW, could net him $20 million, for some of the reasons mentioned in my previous post.
He does not have to do “way more than Manny”, and I don’t think I said he was going to blow Manny out of the water, with Cotto (coming off a win) as an opponent. Cotto brings a significant number of loyals fans with him.
However, Floyd does not need to fight Manny to net $20 million….even NOW, Ryan…IMO.
wow!..what happened to the “fun” article?
@ryan -yeah my fault.never thought much about spacing.joe is one the best sharpshooter in the business.he can a hit a playing card planted sideways where it’s almost invisible.but that’s about it.he reads my posts,we talk a lot.i teach him things.my fault,i taught him wrong.not his fault.but he’s
got street smarts.anyway…
bad news,i’m not allowed to post articles anymore.not with my real name,plus no mention of my job,what i do and any detail pertaining to it whatsoever.
orders.
but hey,i’ll keep reading yours…
november 13th,hope the fight happens,i’ll be on R&R leave,and i will be there if the fight gets done.
later bro
ric
Superstar
I can understand your perspective….
Either way, when negotiating a contract you’d simply be foolish not to ask for more when you’re clearly drawing in bigger gates & PPV buys. Popularity contests may win you elections but it won’t necessarily give you a bigger cut in a PPV event.
@This is John Connor
You are clearly a bright person. But you are reading too much on the article. Ryan is pointing out some stats, and it does have its merits. Although The Superstar doesn’t put a lot of stock in it but it is what it is. Many people have said Floyd’s PPV numbers are better than Manny’s. True. But that doesn’t equate to popularity as well. Maybe marketability would be more appropriate. That is the true measure if we are going by numbers. As far as PPV, no doubt Floyd has this one but as far as marketability, hands down Manny Pacquiao. His rise from obscurity and humble beginnings is the type Madison Ave or the Corporate world likes to market. Its a rare component that you don’t run into everyday.
@ Ryan My point is that, even if Pacquiao is the most popular fighter, it doesn’t make him the biggest draw.
@ Ryan – I’m not referring to his co star & you very well know there are photos & videos showing just how faithful Manny is.
So again, stick to boxing & spare me how humble the million dollar politician is.
As far as the deletions, sorry but I’m not buying that either.
@This is John Connor
If that’s your opinion, you are free to laugh at me. Sorry you feel that way.
…ryan
@vdog
#1 – I already told you, I don’t delete posts on here. Though I certainly would like to, sometimes, I don’t.
#2 – Manny doesn’t claim to be a saint, but the alleged affair with his Wapakman co-star has turned out to be nothing. You should read the whole article, not just the headline. The woman in question has recently become engaged, and she and Manny are openly still good friends, Jinkee approved.
…ryan
Nicely said John Conner. I’m beginning to notice it myself. Just watch he doesn’t start deleting your responses as well.
@kray
Yes, closer to $20M. Manny made close to $20M fighting Clottey, a no-name in terms of PPV draw.
The argument of Floyd can make way more than Manny on his own falls on deaf ears for me.
I was asking you about right now. Not “if Paul Williams moves down to WW, like he’s been claiming he will do, and keeps winning,” but NOW, June, 2010, in the midst of Floyd and Manny negotiating a deal.
Floyd is going to be the one to walk away this time. Manny has laid out what he will agree to. Floyd gets to decide if that is sufficient for him.
Simple as that.
And yes, biased or not, I am going to be very disappointed if he dodges this fight.
…ryan
@Ryan…….maybe if you didn’t delete half of my posts, you’d know which one I was referring to. How is it random when it was only a few minutes apart from his other posts? Sorry, try again.
Let’s not try to make Manny out as a saint either. This self professed god fearing christian is currently cheating on the mother of his children with his new found fame and invited the likes of Edwin Valero to his parties.
So please spare me PBF’s character flaws when Manny isn’t perfect himself. Stick to boxing cuz you’re not gonna find too many saints in this sport.
@vdog
“I was referring his opinion on how Hatton fought Pacquiao & tried to bully him.”
Ha.
So you just pick a random “george” post and say he makes a valid point, but don’t identify which point (out of the dozen or so of other points)?
Next time, quote some material.
You may not need a history lesson, but clearly you’re lacking some common netiquette.
…ryan
@Ryann – I’m not drinking the Kool-Aid nor am I “quick to eat the oatmeal they spoon-feed to the sheep.” “Not trying to be a dikk, but I think” that better applies to most Manny fans. Anyway, here’s how I think Floyd could achieve a million buys, in either scenario.
Floyd has the momentum, first of all. So, that’s probably 1/2 a million buys, just based on that. Timing and the choice of opponent are key, in obtaining the other 1/2 million.
If Paul Williams moves down to WW, like he’s been claiming he will do, and keeps winning, he will re-establish his presence as the dominant threat to anyone at WW. If these negotiations fall apart with Manny, and Manny fights Cotto in November, people are, probably, going to want to see how Floyd will fare with his opponent. If Williams regains some momentum, he will position himself for a blockbuster match with Floyd. Given enough time to market the fight, it can achieve 1M buys.
If Floyd moves up to MW, you will have another 1/4 million people (on top of he 1/2 million I mentioned earlier, who want to see this feat). As I mentioned, people will still want to see how Floyd will fare against his next opponent, if Pac decides to fight Cotto in Nov. Martinez has already gained momentum, and positioned himself for a blockbuster match with Floyd. If he has a successful title defense (just to stay fresh in the minds of boxing fans) he will further help his case. Given enough time to market the fight, it can achieve 1M buys. Also, don’t underestimate the dynamics of race, for this type of matchup. That will help increase the buys, as well.
Neither of these opponents will get anymore than 20% of the purse split, and a the lesser share of the PPV split, etc. So, Floyd can still make his $20 – 40 million (closer to 20 I think), with 1M buys.
As I mentioned, this is how I see that it could possibly be achieved.
Ryan – I don’t need a history lesson of someone if they make a valid point. So thanks anyway. I was referring his opinion on how Hatton fought Pacquiao & tried to bully him. But you can continue to make things up if you’d like if you think it makes you look any more credible.
george says:
June 22, 2010 at 3:43 pm
hey superstar billy graham
they need to add ur mother in as well, dude u sound like a redneck already and i have not even heard u talk
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@George
Why are so defensive? The Superstar didn’t insult you or use any profanity. The Superstar was just cluing you in why the Filipinos have this hate towards Floyd. Floyd was the one who made the first shot. If you don’t believe the Superstar got to youtube and type RA The Rugged Man vs Floyd Mayweather and go to 5:50 and you will hear Floyd insulting and accusing Manny and the Philippines of being cheaters. That is not right, and Floyds careless remark about the Philippines is just plain ignorant. There is no other reason by to conclude Floyd is totally ignorant about the Philippines and its people. Lets face it, Floyd may know boxing but he doesn’t know the world outside the US. One of the reason why Floyd is ignorant, lets be honest, he dropped out of school. So did his father and Uncle. Education is not a priority. Education is the cure for ignorance. At least Manny went back to school, finished it. And now attending college.
@burnz
The slander bit was made for our resident genius “George from Watts”.
Your point is valid, though, that Manny’s story of being from a poor country and becoming a National hero, is effective.
Just like Floyd’s story of being born and bred to box like a racehorse, and using his natural talent combined with an azzhole, conceited image to make people hate him, is also effective.
It’s just… what’s your point?
…ryan
@vdog
I was just enlightening you to george’s wisdom, that’s all. And the post wherein you state he makes a valid point, he’s basically saying:
I have nothing against Filipinos, but they hate Floyd so much that I feel obligated to insult their country.
How is that a valid point?
Or was the valid point that: “MOST OF THEM DON’T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE SPORT”
?
…ryan
Yes Superstar billy Graham you are correct. Pretty much the whole Mayweather family. No class
Sounds as if Ryan is reaching now rather than stick to the topic. Soon enough he’ll be deleting posts again.
@ wowzabean….Counter what? He already conceded that PBF was the bigger PPV draw. Time to work on those reading skills.
@ at Ryan, since when is the word poor considered slander?, stop being sensitive, I grew up poor, not ashamed of it, it is what it is……I guess I shouldn’t call the USA a broke country either, but again it is what it is
@Ryan
That’s not what I meant & I wasn’t talking about your little history together or other articles. So stop acting like a child & act like I’m taking sides. I just said he made a good point, nothing about what he may or may not have said elsewhere.
Ryan Dunn running a clinic, impressive. Like swatting flies hahah. You saved me the time and energy to counter vdog.
@vdog
“George does make a valid point.”
You mean, like asking a Filipino poster if his father ate his dog when he was little?
If that’s what you mean, then yes, he makes a LOT of very, very valid points.
Don’t believe me? Go look at his handiwork on Banda’s latest article up above.
…ryan
hey superstar billy graham
they need to add ur mother in as well, dude u sound like a redneck already and i have not even heard u talk
@George
The Superstar needs to clue you in. Back on Oct 2009, Floyd had this no nonsense interview with RA The Rugged Man on Sirius satellite radio. On the interview or more accurately a very heavy argument, RA was comparing Manny’s resume to Floyd and Floyd responded by saying “Don’t we know, don’t we know The Philippines makes the best enhancement drugs.” Basically Floyd threw Manny and the whole Philippines under the bus by suggesting Manny is a cheater and the Philippines is the #1 country for making drugs that is used to cheat. How would a country would react to that? Don’t expect them to be nicey nicey. It was in every way wrong what Floyd said. Floyd is totally ignorant on his knowledge to the country of the Philippines. Clueless about Filipinos. That attack was uncalled for and everyway disrespectful. That wasn’t right for what he said.
Interesting read
@George:I MEAN MOST OF THEM DONT NOW NOTHING ABOUT THE SPORT:
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It’s true,,,and that’s where the big money came from, who do you think who brought the boxing back to the minds of Casual Fans? not Mayweather! And you know the sport and you cannot comprehend ” CONCERN ” and ” COWARDNESS “.
@george
I think in the grand scheme of things, just remember we’re talking about a sport here, not saving babies in Africa. If one person doesn’t like another athlete, does that make it okay to disrespect their people, their country?
I wouldn’t want to read that hate, so why write it?
…ryan
George does make a valid point.
Wow, a post went through!
Clearly I’m not “allowed” to blog on here unless I say something intelligent like “he’s scared”. LOL! Great site!
@george + burnz
You can call the Philippines a poor country, just don’t slander its people in the process. It’s inhumane and racist. Do you spit on bums when you pass them on the street?
Don’t answer that.
…ryan
@vdog
I didn’t delete anything. Sometimes posts go into spam for no reason, it happens to me also. I am not an admin on this site. Other people handle that.
Your numbers are fine, and I’ve already given the PPV buy edge to Floyd. But like I said, for these two reasons, it should be 50/50…
1. Without one, the other cannot enjoy a $50M+ evening of boxing.
2. The bigger the threat, the more money Floyd makes. With Manny being the biggest perceived threat, Floyd should realize he stands to make even more. Expect 3M PPV buys, folks.
…ryan
hey g.burnz
dont say philipines is a poor country cuz mr ryan dunn of age 59 will get mad and will give u a whole lecture about the philipines lol
Okay Manny is the most popular, but that doesn’t make him the bigger draw. Maybe if the Phillipines were not a poor country, they would make Manny the biggest draw ever, but the fact is they don’t buy PPV’s. And at the same time, if they weren’t a poor country, then maybe Pacquiao wouldn’t be that big of a deal
@kray
“Floyd will, probably, get 20-40 million dollars (a fight).”
Who else, right now, June 2010, do you think Floyd could make more than 1M PPV buys with? I’ll give you the short answer… nobody. Paul Williams? Not a chance. Sergio Martinez? Mexicans hardly know who this Argentinian is, let alone the USA.
Give me your answer, and then I’ll believe your $20-40M a fight. Who told you this, btw? Floyd?
Not trying to be a dikk, but I think you’re a little quick to eat the oatmeal they spoon-feed to the sheep.
…ryan
@vdog: You can try to twist it any way you want but each & every time PBF outsold Pac. And you can’t dispute that.
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I know, regardless how we twist the facts here it wont matter. But only one fact though. MAYWEATHER IS SCARED OF PAC!
And if you want to compare RECENT fights solely, it STILL FAVORS MAYWEATHER. His two fights since his comeback still OUTSOLD Pac’s last two fights:
PBF’s last two fights: 2,450,000 – 55%
Pac’s last two fights: 2,000,000 – 45%
You can try to twist it any way you want but each & every time PBF outsold Pac. And you can’t dispute that.
Pointless article…..
@kray and Vdog…even your wits would not still convince Floyd to fight Pac…you should bring your arguments to Mayweather’s not here…
@kray:It just so happens that in this case, Manny brings his own hype. So, that ground has been covered. This fight sells itself. And it will probably set that all time PPV record, as you say. But, even still, if it doesn’t get made. Floyd will, probably, get 20-40 million dollars (a fight), without Manny. Yet, that same argument cannot be made for Manny.
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No one seems convined by your argument here.Why dont you bring your wits and convince Floyd! and then let’s see how he goes down.
Ryan – I didn’t compare Floyd/JMM because the entire post was about COMMON opponents. Why is that so difficult to grasp. In reality Floyd/JMM outsold the last two Pac/JMM fights COMBINED.
Avaatar – That figure is the combined PPV buys of the two’s common opponents.
Ryan – I understand their opponent has a lot to do with it which is precisely why I listed the fights in which they fought COMMON opponents. So even if you skip the last fight with Clottey……Which I did in my last post, it clearly shows PBF overwhelmingly has better PPV numbers and that is a FACT.
@Ryan Dunn – Gate sales do favor Manny, of late. But, sales at the gate only make up all small portion of viewers. So, unless you keep putting Manny in bigger stadiums, or charge higher prices, in smaller venues, he will never catch Floyd, in terms of overall revenue generated from his events. No matter how you slice it, the BOTTOM LINE is what matters.
As far as people packing in to see Floyd get beat. Of course they are, and he KNOWS this. So, yes, the HYPE of yet another opponent, whom the public (not, necessarily the odds makers) think will accomplish this, will make him far richer than taking on a fighter, with less hype.
But, the difference is that he can CREATE the hype, when he needs to, and get a million buys. The fight with JMM is the perfect example of that (as well as the SSM fight). No matter how you look at it, that fight was a mismatch. But, people still tuned in. Whether it was due to nationalistic pride (for JMM), a desire to see a “rusty” Floyd get beat, or just being a Floyd or JMM fan, they put up their hard earned money. And, I believe they were competing with MMA, that night too. Even Bert Sugar bought into the hype…predicting that Floyd would lose.
So, I agree, the hype is what sells the fight, as well as the dynamics of race and nationalistic pride. And of course, the momentum of the fighters, going into the match. People want to see winners go at it…not fighters coming off losses.
It just so happens that in this case, Manny brings his own hype. So, that ground has been covered. This fight sells itself. And it will probably set that all time PPV record, as you say. But, even still, if it doesn’t get made. Floyd will, probably, get 20-40 million dollars (a fight), without Manny. Yet, that same argument cannot be made for Manny.
@Ryan Dunn: He knew that though, and avoided it intentionally.
…ryan
…..THERE YOU GO!
And yes, I know Mosley said he would come down to 142, but Roach still didn’t feel it was the right time, or the right opponent for Manny at that time.
And he was probably right. Styles make fights, haven’t you heard that adage before?
BTW, if you want to fight the P4P king of the sport, you don’t show up at his gym and challenge him to a duel. You have your people talk to his people, and see if the dollars make cents. Would Floyd have chosen Mosley over ODLH when he set up that fight?
If so, why would he? And at that time when Floyd and ODLH fight, who was the bigger threat to Floyd, Oscar or Shane?
…ryan
@george
Man, you should have coached Ricky. You could have done so much with him, just hearing your wise insights.
Mosley was robbed against Cotto? Are you joking around now? Am I on Candid Camera or something?
Manny respectfully, openly admitted that Mosley was too strong at 147 for Manny. Manny was still coming up in weight, and ODLH was a better way into the division, and there were more dollar signs after his name.
Get with the program. You’ve been wrong on so many occasions. First you thought I was Filipino, now you think I’m a redneck. I bet you believe Marquez beat Pacquiao twice too, right?
…ryan
hey mr redneck ryan dunn
i said hattom was being “stupid” because he was fighting the same fighting style of manny, southpaw he should have fought orthodox and would have had a chance, he was stiking his chin out like if he wanted to get hit, thats what i meant oh mr ryan dunn
….george lol
ryan floyd would pick cotto apart and shane was robbed against cotto why dont u talk about when manny ducked mosley ha, u kn ow that right manny ducked mosley that right
@Avatar123
He combined the revenue of both fighters, then divided their contributions to the pot, to find the balance. It makes sense, but he leaves out the outside variables.
For instance, he conveniently chose to compare Pac/Cotto with Floyd/Mosley instead of Floyd/JMM, which is what he should have done.
He knew that though, and avoided it intentionally.
…ryan
It is so clear, both Manny and Floyd are the high performance automobile of boxing. What Manny and Floyd has done is reminiscent of what the 4 horsemen of the 1980′s, Leonard, Hearns, Duran, and Hagler. As much The Superstar despise Floyd’s antics and attitude, The Superstar can not hide the fact Floyd knows how to make boxing stay in the for front. And Manny has done the same thing but without the talking and bravado. They actually compliment each other. Yin and Yang. And The Superstar will also admit, Manny’s rise to popularity is not only from his boxing skills but the idea of pitting the two great fighters of this decade to form one of boxing super megafight that will add to the lore of boxing.
@vdog
You have to factor the opposition when looking at PPVnumbers. Do you know how to do that? Here’s how…
In Sep. 2003, ODLH fought Mosley for a second time. They had 950k buys.
In Jun. 2004, ODLH fought Sturm. They had 380k buys.
That’s a 150% decrease.
In May 2007, Floyd fought ODLH. They broke the record with 2.4M buys.
In Dec. 2007, Floyd fought Hatton. They had 850k buys.
That’s a 182% decrease.
In Nov. 2009, Pacquiao fought Cotto. They had 1.25M buys.
In Mar. 2010, Pacquiao fought Clottey. They had 750k buys.
That’s a 66% decrease.
Now, of the following names, who is the most bankable?
Felix Sturm
Joshua Clottey
Ricky Hatton
Your turn to the math. No question Floyd was more popular when he fought ODLH. But as of right this moment, in 2010, when it matters, they are equal. Almost exactly equal by my estimation.
…ryan
@vdog says: 9,525,000 and where did this figure came from? you lost me.
@george
You’re good with the Floyd talking points. You’re like a slightly more masculine Sarah Palin the way you stay on script and sound stupid. Speaking of stupid…
“Hatton was just being stupid”
Is that what you call it? What did his trainer call it. You know… Floyd’s dad… ?
To some extent, ODLH was drained coming into the fight, but that’s his own fault. He knew the weight, he made the weight, he signed the contract. If he put himself in a position to lose, then his problem, not Manny’s.
Manny fought the man in front of him, and you could argue he went easy on him.
Why don’t you talk about Cotto? Whom Manny demolished. The Cotto who beat Mosley. The Cotto who Floyd retired to avoid. The Cotto who was beating Margarito before the heavy fists took their toll.
I know both of their careers, and both careers are marvelous. Have you heard me take anything away form Floyd’s wins? Why must you do that with Manny?
I criticize Floyd for retiring when the heat got too high, and coming back when it cooled off. And now he’s thinking of doing it again. I don’t respect that.
…ryan
@george, i’m in england and can say myself i know a hell of a lot more people who like pacman more than floyd. so stop being a /b/tard…
list of fighters floyd beat just for ryan dunn
corrales-unbeaten at the time and was the champion
castillo twice-castillo was at prime and the best lightweight in the world in 02
mitchell
d’ noi-was undefeated when he fought floyd and had 32 wins 31ko’s
baldomir-undefated for 8 years and had come from a big win and he is 5ft 11
fought oscar-at 154 not 145
judah-beat him at his prime and was the underdog and judah weight 150
beat jesus chaves and genaro hernandez both when they were the jr. lightweight champions
ryan dunn
u cant say that manny man handle oscar and hatton easier than floyd, he did but why…odlh was weighting 145 walking towards the ring, manny was 147, and oscar was 36, not fair at all, hatton was just being stupid…floyd fought hatton when he was unbeaten 43-0 i believe, floyd fought oscar at 154 oscar best fight were at 154 and was 2 years younger, please ryan dont compare, by the way have u seen the list of fighters manny beat to get his seven championships its ridicoules, lets just say cotto was the best he fought
@Ryan Dunn : Keep it coming,,,,I enjoyed reading the Floydfans explode, by the way…GOOD WORK!
@kray
It was simple… Manny and Floyd are very close in popularity.
What we do with these numbers, that’s for the debating. You are quick to write them off as non-pertinent, that’s fine.
I would say gate sales favor Manny for his popularity, since much of that popularity is based on his exciting fight style.
And I would say that (like I’ve said before) the greater the risk of Floyd losing, the more people will to see him get beat.
Whether you agree or not, the public thinks Manny has a good chance to do this, probably the best chance yet, since Manny manhandled ODLH and Hatton more easily than Mayweather, and people will use that logic (ill or warranted) to make their conclusion.
If they fight, I’m pretty certain they’ll set the new all-time PPV record. There is not another fighter in the world right now whom Floyd can do that with.
Just ask ODLH, who made 1.4M with Trinidad, then 590k with Mosley, then 400k with Castillejo before getting back up to 935k with Vargas.
…ryan
@Ryan Dunn – I’m debating the relevance of “popularity in the world”, as it pertains to this fight being made.
If your goal, with these stats, is not to, in some way, show that Pac is as deserving as Floyd to 1/2 or more of the purse, which is what is relevant to whether we will see this fight or not, then I am apparently off base, and commenting on the wrong post.
However, it seems to me that others on here, are thinking along the same lines as I am.
So, I will let the Pacquiao fans revel in these numbers, and ponder on their connection to the matter at hand.
@Ryan
All this article prove is that FLOYD FANS WILL PAY TO SEE HIM!! Manny fans would rather watch him for FREE!! Numbers Don’t Lie!!
RYAN DUNN IF UR CONSIDERING URSELF IGNORANT WELL THATS U
….George lol
george,
Running a google search takes like 2 minutes hahaha.
HEY RYAN DUNN
NO DISRESPECT RYAN BUT UR A REAL GEEK, ALL THE $HIT U PUT ON THIS SITE SOUNDS LIKE UR IN THE INTERNET ALL DAY 24/7, THE POINT IS FLOYD IS BETTER AND MORE SKILL THAN PAC, AND IF UR SMART U WOULD KNOW THAT, BE REAL U THINK PAC COULD BE FLOYD, CUZ U SOUND PRETTY SMART TO ME AND I KNOW U LIKE PAC BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY FLOYD WOULD PIC THE PINOY APART
Wow, this high school popularity contest still going on??? It’s about $$$ people. Wake up.
@george
I like your basis. So you saw a video of people greeting him in France? Did you wish you were there? Did you cry?
Have you seen a video of Pacquiao landing in France? How did it compare? Was the airport dead when he landed?
More Google search results, filtered by country…
France:
Pacquiao – 38,300 (+84%)
Mayweather – 20,800
UK:
Pacquiao – 156,000
Mayweather – 179,000 (+14%)
…ryan
Well the fact of the matter is Manny Pacquiao is the most popular fighter in the world, nobody can argue against that. Asia in and of itself puts Manny over Floyd, include North America and Europe, it’s total destruction.
hey ryan dunn
i dont need to prove $hit to u, it is a fact tha european country like england and france like floyd isaw one time on youtube when floyd went overthere for some reason, whe he was getting of the plane, there lots of ppl waiting for an autograph also in in eastcoast of the usa like new york, washington, atlanta, jersey, boston, and that idk why maybe cuz his black..look at in youtube or something mr piony man that denies his country lol
@kray
Well what are we debating here? I’m debating popularity in the world. You’re debating profitability and marketing. Neither of us are talking about skill, which is a total other conversation.
In terms of “POPULARITY”, I am finding that Pacquiao has more global appeal, while Floyd is big in the USA and UK.
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@george
I asked you to prove that Europeans love Floyd. Here’s a quick sample of why that statement on its own doesn’t carry weight, especially when compared to Manny Pacquiao, again in terms of “POPULARITY”.
I just took the A’s from all of the European countries, and here’s what I got.
Search results conducted through Google’s advanced search, filtered by country…
[COUNTRY: Pac / May]
ALBANIA: 2,220 / 530
ANDORRA: 7 / 6 (LOL)
ARMENIA: 3,550 / 839
AUSTRIA: 2,290 / 1,630
AZARBAIJAN: 273 / 126
…ryan
@george
“all of europe loves floyd”
Prove it.
…ryan
so is floyd…alot of ppl hate him…but alot of ppl like him, all of europe loves floyd, and eastcoast
Pacman is the Worldwide, International Star. That is given. Just look at all his accomplishments that made him what he is. It just so bad that folks, instead of at least accepting or admiring someone’s hard-earned achievements,some make it as a negative base for hate – instead of a positive influece worthy of emulation.
frikin pactards no nothing about boxing
that’s all talk w/ no fight !
@jack flores
good points mate, but should’nt you be a little more impartial as a boxing analyst?
Great analysis on who is more popular!
HOW CAN YOU NOT TELL WHO IS THE BETTER, ITS EASY ONE WHO HAS NEVER BEEN BEAT WOULD BE A GOOD START.
@ryan oh and by the way,one of the guys told me you called him “ric”…lol.that was joe.”cassius c.”from my squadron.
we have a private connection,but our ip address is re-routed to europe,for security reasons.so whoever surfs the net,you get a single ip.but that’s all i’m allowed to say.
anyway,
keep it up bro
again
keep safe
ric
@ryan –
yeah,a colab would be really cool,but i agree with your conclusion.
and there was a time when tyson fans dominated.
and the ali and frazier fans before that.
one thing though,fighters come and go,but fans remain.
gtg ryan,supper time here.
going to the mess hall with the rest of the guys.
going to HQ for a meeting.i heard the commander is catching some flak from Washington,don’t know why.
anyway,
take care bro.
be safe,you and your family.
ric
@Ric
I’d love to collab on an article some time. However, I feel we are looking at a very narrow slice of the type of fan on this particular website.
And yes, there’s not even a close comparison in popularity in 2010 boxing. In terms of the most popular athletes in boxing you have:
1. Mayweather and Pacquiao
2. Those who talk sh\t about Mayweather or Pacquiao
3. The fighters who fought or who will be fighting Mayweather or Pacquiao
4. The ones calling Mayweather and Pacquiao out
5. The rest of the boxing populace
…ryan
@anh – the etymology of the word fan is “fanatic”.but yes,some guys just take it to extremes.it goes even to the point that the hate is not directed at the boxer anymore,but at the fans of the other fighter.extremism is bad,in any way or form.
ric
The only statatistic people look at is PPVs buys. Floyd took the biggest risk by fighting Mosley.
Floyd legacy will not be enhanced by beating Pacman as people will say that Pacman was too small. Pacman by beating Floyd will be in the top ten atg. Floyd by beating pacman won’t be in the top ten ATG.
@ryan -you know what i really find amusing?when there is “pacquiao” or a “mayweather” in the title,the comments section gets filled up like iin 30 seconds.i wrote an article about the klitschkos and the plight of the HW division,most folks just drove by…another about cotto,well some did stop by for a while,but boy,when the title says floyd or manny,it’s like folks just seem screech to a halt.lol
they have to stop,and they have to say something.the scroll bar seems to get stuck everytime.left mouse button just seem to click by itself,a life of its own.then one guy barges in,swinging insults left and right.one guy responds,swings back at him,another one starts shouting in all-caps…lol…amusing.i just love reading the comments sections.it’s a learning experience for me.the passion…the devotion…the anger.
but still,for me it’s all in good fun.
after all where would boxing be,without us,right?
hey why don’t we do an article
“Pacquiao-Mayweather : A Focus on tha Fans”
ric
In my humble opinion, sir, repeat view is more a measure of fanaticism than of popularity. But, I think I get where you are coming from.
More power to you, Mr. Dunn.
Cheers,
~ ANH
@kej718
As I said both in my article, and in replies on this thread, I wanted numbers that were not tainted, and PPV numbers are coming from the promoters and the network, not a third party like Nielsen.
As far as duration of clip, I don’t see that as an obstructor. A clip of Marquez vs. Pacquiao is only as old as the fight itself, right? So both of these guys have been in the sport about the same time, right? Also, the more popular fighter should have (as a result) more YouTube clips online to look at, right?
To me, that all is part of the same measure of popularity, and why I feel YouTube is a pretty solid measure of popularity. It is defined, in fact, by popularity.
…ryan
50/50 is ok..fight in the ring..care for the FANS..we love to see this entertainment..love yahhhh
this won’t work because some videos are there longer than others so they would have a higher view count. PPV numbers are what really matter because that is what they get the revenue from. In Pac’s 3 biggest PPV fights he faced guys the had good followings(Oscar, Hatton, & Cotto who has had many PPV fights of his own) who’s fans were paying to see those fights? Floyd does 1.4 million buys with Mosley who is not a big PPV attraction which is more than what Pac did with Oscar, Hatton, & Cotto. What matters is who is going to pay to see the fight and Floyd does better numbers in that category. What people seem to forget is that Pac in the previous negotiations used the Cotto numbers which was higher then Floyd’s fight with Marquez to get the split and stipulations he wanted, Floyd is just doing the same thing now only that he has better numbers on his side.
If Pac agrees to full testing then most people would say a 50/50 split is fair for both fighters, but if not the balls in Floyds court and he should be the one dictating the terms of the fight. If Pac agreed to what he is agreeing to now in the first negotiations then the fight would have been done.
@bull, thank u for calling me a moron u the smart one. I think i was just giving my opinion of which everybody is entitled to. Name calling is done by fanatics who are devoid of facts and reasoning and quick to anger and violence and the truth is most of them are actually not smart.
@ANH
TRUE, but this is not an election, it is a measure of who is more popular.
In that context, you could actually argue that repeat views are fair game and an indication as to popularity.
No?
…ryan
$$$ talks & the only #’s that matter are who brings in more revenue. And that is clearly Mayweather. Time to enter the real world.
Mr. Dunn,
With all due respect, sir, I beg to differ. I understand that it is next to impossible to get distinct visitor hits. But, your objective is to compare your subjects’ popularity, therefore, the basis should be headcount.
It is no different than, say, an election if citizens are allowed to vote as many times as they want. The unreliability of the method used cannot be denied. And if the method is in question, the result is compromised.
Respectfully,
~ ANH
@Kaleb Starr
You were right about the Mayweather fight, 3.48 rounds up to 3.5.
But you are wrong about the Pacquiao numbers. 1.96 rounds up to 2.0.
I found 3 errors for May, and 2 errors for Pac. What can I say? It was late, and this site doesn’t have a copy editor on staff (that’s what you’re for). I have a fix in to the admin to revise the list.
After the fix you will see 17.2 for May and 17.8 for Manny, a 4% spread favoring Pacquiao. Even CLOSER!
…ryan
HBO Boxing: Marquez vs Pacquiao II Highlights (HBO)
Watch highlights of Manny Pacquiao’s thrilling split decision victory over Juan Manuel Marquez. The fight originally aired on March 15, 2008. For …
by HBO | 2 years ago | 1,962,158 views
but he gives him 2.0
Well done to Ryan for coming up with a very factual article. Many people in this site write about their OWN opinions rather than the truth. Remember people, Ryan Dunn is not saying that Pacquiao is better than Mayweather. He is CLEARLY just stating that Pacquiao seem to be more popular than Mayweather in the YouTube searches and even in Google search results – that’s all!
first of all, poeple go back to see what manny has done in the past. Whereas we all know Mayweather hadnt lost. People wantign to watch 2 close fights with marquez and a loss to Morales would surely want to watch that instead of a fight where mayweather completely works corrales, castillo, and gatti. Why would any noob boxing fan want to watch that? plus, at the end of the day…PPV numbers MATTER! do you think arum and schaefer think “lets go on youtube” if you wanna make it fair, go to Examiner . com. There are a couple of writers who are obsessed with Floyd (in a negative way). so it all balances out. The fact of the matter is, mayweather should just say ‘whatever,’ and fight for 50/50 (and put on a boxing clinic). But there is no doubt, Mayweather deserves more of the money!
@kaleb starr
3.48 indeed rounds up to 3.5, that was a mistake on my part.
@anon
I do not dislike either of these fighters, and have bought every single Floyd fight as well as every single Pacquiao fight. Never once did I root against Mayweather, nor did I root against Pacquiao.
But I DO happen to dislike many of Floyd’s fans, though not in a personal way, but as a fan of the sport. I find many die-hard Floyd fans to be extremely abrasive condescending, and hypocritical. There are a select few HEAVY Floyd fans on here that I have been able to have a logical/sensible debate with, but trust me when I say “few”.
…ryan
@ kaleb star what do u expect have u seen this writers comments on other articles he loves manny pac and doesnt like mayweather so no surprise and good point about bing,depends which search engine which again proves my point about the variables involved
pac is more popular as he is more liked but hes not more famous theres a difference..im sure if u check who viewed the vids it would mostly b in the far east and views dont account for the same people watching over and over again…anyway i never really cared about whos slightly more liked or popular or famous as there are to many variables its pintless.esp since one country likes to tear down there celebs while other countries worship the few they have different cultures
this guy rounds pac up and floyd down.
Oscar De La Hoya Vs. Floyd Mayweather
Highlights Of the epic boxing match between these 2 fantastic boxers. All rights to HBO, I payed for the match. Music: (In order of playing) 3 6 …
by Smith4Heisman | 3 years ago | 3,486,595 views
but gives floyd 3.4
Pac’s overall hits may be greater, but that is only because people like myself will continually view his fights where he steamrolled his competition, even Floyd fans like myself can admit to watching Pac’s sensational Ko’s over and over again. Floyd’s fight with ODH has better overall views even though there were no KO’s simply because of the fact that some people want to keep viewing the fight to believe that Oscar won……but as has been pointed out, just a simple view of the ppv numbers for Pac and Floyd tell it all. Interestingly, as popular as Pac may be, and as much love and attention that he has received from the boxing world, his last ppv match against Clottey was ok at best, and remember this was at the pinnacle of Pac’s success, comming off of a most impressive win against Cotto, and a string of unbeleivable performances against Ricky Hatton and ODH, while Mayweather, when he fought Mosely was just comming back from an almost two year layoff and a very loosided win against Marquez, but yet he was still able to double Pacs numbers against Clottey.
floyd mayweather jr vs ricky hatton 1,036,476 views
bing mayweather (floyd mayweather jr.)318,000 results
bing pacquiao (pacquiao) 157,000 results
@Anak, you are the most logical person on this site. You debate with logic and reason. The Pactards are younsters that constantly follow Pacquiao on a religious basis. However, hits aren’t PPV buys.
And guess what Ryan Dunn? I will let you have it….Yep!!! OK, Pacquiao is more popular!
But Dammit, Mayweather sells PPV buys! Numbers don’t lie!!!!
Pacquiao likes belts…Someone create one and give it to him! So he will be happy and this fight can be on!
@tich
FU(K U M0R0N!
anuknhewteng has a point. unless you count the distinct ip addresses of those who made the google and youtube hits. even doing that yields inconclusive numbers.
Youtube and Google hits? Really? I wonder how you can, but did you factor in repeat visitors?
Let me simplify. Specimen: 8 fans, 2 Youtube clips (1 of Manny’s and 1 of Floyd’s) :
Floyd has 5 fans who each visited his clip 1x = 5 hits;
Manny has 3 fans who each visited his clip 3x = 9 hits;
If you consider the fact that there are more obsessed Pac fanatics who are more likely to watch the same clips of Manny’s fights over and over and over again, the sample scenario above is highly probable.
that maybe true but in the end Mayweather still has more PAYING custumers….I have no doubt that world wide it is very close in popularity, but when you have the issue of getting paid at the end of the day the thing that counts most is who BRINGS in more money gets more money! not marketing gimicks..
@tich
Who says that only asian supports Pacquiao? Also who says only the “remainder” as you say supports Mayweather? When you are looking at worldwide popularity it is worth noting that you should use the general population instead of using seperate divisors. From the look of your “analysis” it would seem that you have proven that Pacquiao is more popular than Mayweather when it is quite clear that you are trying to say that Mayweather is more popular.
If I may point out the reason why your result for Mayweather is much higher is because when you are trying to do your percentage average you have used different numbers as your divisor which is why you’re analysis is more favourable to Mayweather.
Your Mayweather analysis:
16.7 million/(2.4 billion) * 100 = 0.6958%
Your Pacquiao analysis:
17.6 million/ (4 billion) * 100 = 0.44%
The ones in brackets are the divisor.
The divisor should be equal when comparing as you are clearly talking about worldwide popularity not just in America. Not just in Asia
Mayweather analysis:
16.7million/6.4 billion * 100 = 0.2609%
Pacquiao analysis:
17.6million/6.4 billion *100 = 0.275%
This clearly shows that Pacquiao is much more popular worldwide, using the data you have used (though I realise the possibility that those are just guess work data)
Finally, in my opinion a boxer’s popularity should not be considered only by one criteria (i.e ppv numbers) but by mixed criteria trying to find out the average of all the criterias then using those average to calculate the mean average.
haha some funny posts especially from tich. Manny Pacquiao fans consist of two groups – filipinos/asians and people who don’t like Floyd.
Floyds fans consist of actual boxing fans and followers. Therefore Manny is more popular.
Dude, you’ve got too much time on your hands. I think Pacquiao is more popular, for reasons other than boxing and less so with real boxing fans. Pacquiao has captured the wannabe Bruce Lee crowd as well as the whole Pinoy nation who’ve never had a hero in the media before, he’s also drawn in the crackers who don’t like cheering for a black or mexican fighter and he’s drawn in the America-haters around the world who somehow see him as some kind of a robin hood figure. For me and for other boxers and boxing fans, we like fighters because of their ability and we like good fights. Pacquiao has been in some good fights in the past and was something of a novelty for a while but has suffered from Roach’s dubious matchmaking and the whole roids scandal. Floyd has a mouth on him and plays the villian, he’s also a defensive fighter so doesn’t get into wars, however, he does take the biggest fights with the biggest names when the timing is right and his skill as a boxer cannot help but make him popular with anyone who loves the science. The Mosley fight really turned the tables on his popularity – a risky fight that he fought aggressively. Floyd has now regained ground he lost with regard to proper longterm boxing fans. He will never capture the crackers, pinoys, US-haters and Bruce Lee wannabes, even after he’s beaten Pacquiao.
Bottom line is still… Floyd needs to stop whining and just go ahead and get the fight settled so he can get ready for his butt whipping. No more excuses, no more running. His judgment day is near. Or else retire. And lose out on the biggest paycheck of his career. Answer seems obvious (to everyone but him).
Interesting perspectives in the article though.
I guess this would make sense if this were a POPULARITY CONTEST RYAN! This is a boxing match being negotiated! A professional prizefight! How many albums or t-shirts you sold-or how many hits your Youtube video got is irrelevant at the negotiating table. What does matter at the negotiating table when determining purse split is PPV sales, and which fighter has generated the most purchases! Take a wild guess at who the undisputed king of PPV is Ryan; you already know! Try again friend.
in my country we have MAYWEATHER a red hot favourite to win the fight and we also regard the americans as the best boxers in the world especialy the [ african/american ] and any time we think we have a good boxer we want to send them to america to see if they can match the best, in my country MAYWEATHER is known as the best boxer in america today and is more popular than pacman but pacman is also very popular mainly to the the youtube boxing fans who only want to see KNOCK OUTS and don’t understand the sweetscience, MAYWEATHER packs out the pubs and clubs but pacman doesn’t if they were to fight different opponents on the same day i would watch both but if i had to choose JUST one it would be MAYWEATHER.
@Ltc dawson, i am giving my analysis like everybody and if u go thru my posts i dont call people names , actually i said Pac is more popular but is not reflected in PPV,s and my conclusion is probabily his fans can not afford to support him when it comes to buy his fights. Ok u wise man u tell why the more popular Pac his PPV,s are less than of Floyd.
We have 4 billion Asians on this earth 60% of the whole human race and we have 2.6 billion as the remainder. From 4 billion we have 17.6 million watching Pac videos and from 2.6 billion we have 16.7 watching Floyd,s videos according o the videos selected , my analysis will show that Floyd is more popular than Pac. Work it out
@theo wow Philippines and ricefields huh! what about your doctors, nurses, your dentist, your engineers that’s you look closely what this filipinos occupations are. maybe some of this people are working in rice fields but they are making an honest living and they get by on what they have, unlike most people here in the U.S, you maybe a thief or a crook for what I know judging on how you make your comments it looks like your lacking formal education, unlike most of the filipinos here in the U.S who are topping up on the class.
@tich LOL! mayweather is supported by the rich in europe and america! what make’s you think that there’s not a lot of rich people in asia? ignorant fool! can you look at the meaning of popular.
This is a good idea but would really need more than the top 10 videos, I for one enjoy watching things like his fights with Coralles, Genaro Hernandez, Phillip Ndou etc, good idea though.
Pac might be popular the whole of Asia , if u look at it how many asians do we have on the earth and how many Americans and Canadians we have. Do your analysis properly not some half baked analysis.
SugarRayDuran says:
Here’s a much better gauge of popularity. Go to ebay and type in floyd mayweather jr. then type in just pacquiao. Look at who the fans are spending their hard earned money on. Manny wins BIG TIME. Yea real money talks and bullsh*t walks.
I just went to ebay and there! Tshirts,shoes,hats,watches..etc you name it! FMJ’s number dwarfs that of Pacquiao! Nothing much to say. The economy is on the pacman.
@moneypac PAC DRAWS MORE CASH THAN PBF ? BRINGS IN HIGH ROLLERS LMFAO .LET ME GUESS UR ONE OF THOSE HIGH ROLLERS. PAC LUCKY HE COULD FIGHT OR HE BE IN THE RICE FIELDS ,DROP OUT .
@kray
he didnt say anywhere in the article that these numbers prove how many people are willing to pay to see either fighter… its merely a creative attempt to solve an almost impossible problem- that of finding out who is the more popular fighter… of course the only real way to answer the question would be to poll a very large sample but i salute ryan for his efforts
Lol ya funny talking about rice. Guess wht u eat rice urself to foe. Joke on u hahaha!!! Talking about rice field.
IN LAS VEGAS, HOME TURF OF FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR. GUESS WHO DRAWS MORE GAMBLERS AND HIGH ROLLERS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD …………………MANNY PACQUIAO………………..
FMJ – North America
PACMAN – The World, nuff said.
wow..u actually did that…u must have so much time on your hands…loser…get a real job and stop hatin
very interesting article and creative method… props ryan
ryan dunne you sure know how to fluff manny,s rice, is it boiled in steroid juices that alex ariza concocted washed down with one of ariza,s special milkshakes. lol
u clowns we the boxing fans proclaimed PBF KING cuz we buy his fights .who been sellin good #s at ppv PBF. the last 5 fights alone he did his thing.pac so popular that he cant carry the #s. what a joke .IF PBF fought clottey they would do 1 mil easy…
I like how you ask for statistics that would negate your own, and then the best responses are “so what” or they try to bring it back to drug testing. Way to stay on track.
@ carlos, castillo clearly won that fight against FMJ, JMM vs manny II was close thats why it was called the fight of the year, the only difference was manny KNOCKED JMM once, and that was what the judges basis for choosing pacquiao was the winner. all floyd fans you need to see FMJ vs castillo fight again to open your eyes!!! LOL
Even if floyd mayweather use all the drugs that they know and inject it to him right in the ring before the 1st round and the referee is Mr.romero Manny will still definitely fight Floyd everybody knows that.. accept it..
Theo – nice to know there are internet in rice fields.
Hey Ryan thanks for clearing up why Pacquiao got FOTY and FOTD, I knew their was not much method to the madness of the body of people who awarded Pacquiao!
@abhonda people like you are sad you buy a fight to watch the star of it lose and wont even buy you fav fighters fight thats sad and i guess people would rather watch FMJ lose to support the fav fighters it is al bull you wouldn’t give a man you dont like money
yo u got no life son
i guess google searches have everything to do with ppv buys and gate sales. ABSURD.
if someaone is going to bring up the controversial decision in the FMJ v Castillo 1 then Pacquiao v JMM 2 is fair game. Both were clearly close fights but there can only be one winner. so please stop with that bulls***t.
this article just goes to show how any kind of numbers can be used to get a favorable result. not very scientific just more propaganda.
From their names,u immediately get a clue of where they are coming from—–philippines rice fields.
very funny article dude.
FLOYD MUST BE THRILLED.BUT IN ALL FAIRNESS HEAD TO HEAD. WHEN JUST THEIR NAMES ARE UP-FLOYD IS 2MIL AND PAC IS 1.9MIL.THIS IS TO CLOSE TO CALL.MY WAY IS UNDISPUTABLE.WHEN YOU PAY FOR THE FIGHT YOU HIT THE NUMBERS ON THE PHONE THAT DETERMINE WHO THE PAYMENT GOES TO .EITHER PAC OR FLOYD OR 50/50.THEY BOOTH THINK THEIR THE GREATEST SO BACK IT UP WITH THE MOST REALISTIC WAY EVER THOUGHT OF TO DATE.RYAN IS TO BE COMMENDED FOR THE MOST CREATIVE WORK TO DATE AS TO WHO IS THE MOST POPULAR .HE DOESNT JUST REHASH A SOURCE LIKE THE OAKLAND SUNDAY CHURCH WISPER OR THE NOTTINGHAM BACK YARD RUMOR.THIS A GREAT JOB AND MAKES IT HARD FOR EITHER FIGHTER TO DEMAND MORE THEN 50/50.
Thanks for telling the truth.
very nice articles…!lol
the proof is in the pudding! No one wants to see Floyd win they want to see him lose. Pacquiao is a beast of a fighter and half of you Pacquiao haters hate him because you lost money betting against him and the other just cant stand that a poor kid from asia is whoopin aces! Pacquiao is popular world wide and Mayweather following is local, Mayweather is jealous and scared of Pacquiao!
Ryan dunn: .very nice work indeed. But I’m still a fan of both fighters.
they are both good fighter, so let see this event will happen. and for us,the pacman and floyd fans STOP insulting each. be a professinal.
This fight is not going to happen. Moseley didn’t do 1.4mil…Floyd did. Team pac and Arum are going to have to bow down to get money wit Money. Get it. Pac is not gonna make a big money fight without Floyd. Yet Floyd is always a big money fight. So Pac can just eat off his endorsements instead…but he gets none of Floyd’s dough, especially not greedy Arum who tried to play Floyd and keeps getting played.
Good job Ryan Dunn! Way to get hits on your aricle
PACMAN is so popular no one watched when he was on 24/7 so HBO made sure not to give him a second try at it while PBF has been on 4.
All of these Pactards are stupid! Floyd just fight him no matter what? Pacquiao should man up and get off the drugs and there would be no problem… Pacquiao will not take a Random drug test period! He is the one who is scared to fight a clean fight! Floyd had the right to pull Pacquiao’s card on the drug testing and even if it was a bluff Pacquiao failed.
Mayweather doesn’t like Manny enough to give him his biggest payday and let him fight on roids! You have to give up one of the two Pacquiao! drugs or money
IF THE TWO BEST BOXERS IN THE WORLD CLASH ON THE RING COME NOVEMBER 13 AS ANNOUNCED, WATCH OUT. THIS IS MY PREDICTION:
MAYWEATHER WIN IS ONLY DECISION
PACQUIAO WIN IS SURELY KNOCKOUT OR TKO
JUSTIFICATION: MAYWEATHER STYLE OF FIGHTING IS BORING HE PUTS
MORE ON DEFENSE. HIS PREVIOUS FIGHTS ARE
MOSTLY DECISIONS (SPLIT, MAJORITY & UNANIMOUS)
JUSTIFICATION: PACQUIAO STYLE OF FIGHTING IS OFFENSIVE,
EXCITING AND THRILLING. HIS PREVIOUS FIGHTS
ARE MOSTLY KNOCKOUT AND TKO.
THIS FIGHT WON’T HAPPEN, BECAUSE OF DISAGREEMENT IN POT MONEY.
PACQUIAO WON’T CONCEDE BEYOND 50/50 SPLIT IN FAVOR OF FLOYD.
JUSTIFICATION: HE IS THE RECOGNIZED CURRENT NO.1 CHAMPION OF P4P BY A WORLD BOXING BODY. A TITLE HOLDER OF 7 WORLD TITLE BELTS FROM 7 WEIGHT DIVISIONS. AN AWARDEE OF NUMEROUS BOXING ACHIEVEMENTS. FIGHTER OF THE YEAR AND FIGHTER OF THE DECADE. FOUGHT 56 BOUTS. MAYWEATHER SHOULD MATCH THIS RECORD BEFORE HE CAN CLAIM THE GREATEST FIGHTER OF ALL TIME. IF ONE TRIES TO WEIGH THE ACHIEVEMENT OF MANNY PACQUIAO, MAYWEATHER RANKS ONLY NO. 2 AFTER PACQUIAO THAT IS A FACT AND I BELIEVE A VAST MAJORITY OF BOXING FANS AGREE WITH THIS JUSTIFICATION. MAYWEATHER SHOULD INSTEAD GET THE LOWER PERCENTAGE OF THE PRIZE BASED ON BOXING DATA AND PERFORMANCE . PACQUIAO IS WELL KNOWN FOR HIS DOMINANT AND AGGRESSIVE STYLE OF BOXING WORLDWIDE AND A KNOCKOUT ARTIST. HE IS POPULAR LOCALLY AND INTERNATIONALLY.
JACK FLORES
BOXING ANALYST
mayweather by far look at the record and look at the ppv numbers
Why don´t they put up surveys on this site, it seems so basic and that would at least give us an idea of what people on this site think regarding who is more popular.
the wiz has spoken.
OF COURSE, MANNY PACQUIAO IS MOST POPULAR BOXER OF THE WORLD!! THERE IS ALREADY AN EVIDENCE IN THE INTERNET AND MOST OF ALL MANNY PACQUIAO RECEIVED AN AWARDS OF ‘ FIGHTER OF THE DECADE ” & ” FIGHTER OF THE YEAR ” AND THIS IS BASED IN VOTING TO WIN THIS AWARDS THROUGH THE PEOPLE ESPECIALLY PEOPLE WHO LOVES BOXING. BOXING FANS LOVES MANNY NOT ONLY HE IS GREAT FIGHTER IN BOXING BUT HIS ATTITUDE AND GOD FEARING. HE DON’T WANT TO TALK TA BAD WORDS TO HIS OPPONENT, HE RESPECT AT ALL TIMES AND MOST OF ALL HE IS HUMBLE!! Not like Floyd he is fond of trash talking and he don’t respect to his opponent and to the other people.
Good work…
Thats the truth and with hard evidence…
numbers wont lie, but people do.
Thats why Manny should have a bigger slice of the pie…
oh yea i remember floyd vs castillo 1.
castillo was robbed…cleary robbed….thanks for mentioning it ms romero…
Here, Yeller! Come back, Yeller! Best doggone dog in the west!”
floyd quit being yellow and be a man. be a man you coward. you cant hide forever.
be a real man and just put on the gloves like a true true warrior would do and not even think about money or drug testing. even if pac was on steriods, what are you scared of. a true warrior is not scared of anything no matter what. NO MATTER WHAT!!!NO MATTER WHAT!!!!
great idea,very interesting and surprising! i’m a fan of both boxers so i’m unbiased, it’s true that numbers don’t lie, but there is still intangibles regarding the numbers. its the closest you will get to finding out but still inconclusive who is more popular. nice work
ryan dunn
This has got to one of the dumbest things I have ever saw. You really need to get a life.
Here’s a much better gauge of popularity. Go to ebay and type in floyd mayweather jr. then type in just pacquiao. Look at who the fans are spending their hard earned money on. Manny wins BIG TIME. Yea real money talks and bullsh*t walks.
hmmm… nice idea
I know what the Floyd lovers would say……..Who cares….the PPV numbers are what matters to Floyd and not how popular (love him or hate him) he is.
No need to bragg bout Manny Pacquiao..
Manny just want a 50/50 and ready to take the 14 days cut off drug test..and fight him one hand..
You should ask the guy who gave him the
Fighter of the year and Fighter of the decade..
Willl cee it in the ring..These people know less
about Boxing..
@ryan – wow.that’s really,really cool.
who would have though that?lol…
yup,numbers don’t lie.
now let’s see them refute that.
again (the crisp salute)
mr.dunn
ric