De La Hoya reveals that Mayweather-Pacquiao contract is almost finalized
June 12th, 2010
By Chris Williams: Oscar De La Hoya spilled the beans about the negotiation status of the Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Manny Pacquiao fight, saying to the Univision television station yesterday “I think right now we are very, very close in finalizing the contracts. I can’t talk right now in detail about the negotiations but I can say that we are very close.” If the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight can be made, it would be possibly be the biggest fight in boxing history with both fighters making tens of millions each for the historic fight.
This is a lot more info than what we’ve been receiving by Top Rank promoter Bob Arum, who handles Pacquiao. Mayweather hasn’t said a word about what’s going on and neither has his adviser Leonard Ellerbe. Arum wanted there to be a freeze on revealing the negotiation status with the media because of the failure to put together a fight between Mayweather and Pacquiao last time they attempted to negotiate a fight in January and February 2010.
But it’s hardly the media’s fault that the Mayweather vs. Pacquiao fight didn’t get made last time out. It was more of a result of Mayweather and Pacquiao not agreeing about the blood testing methods for the fight for the drug testing that Mayweather wanted. There was nothing that could be done when Pacquiao didn’t want to meet Mayweather’s request of a 14 day cutoff rather than sticking to the 24 days he wanted as the cutoff for the testing.
Also, Arum and Pacquiao seemed to be in too big of a hurry to conclude the negotiations and hastily quit negotiations to take a fight against another Top Rank fighter Joshua Clottey. That fight didn’t do all that well on pay-per-view and seemed out of place at the huge Cowboy Stadium, in Arlington, Texas. It looked like a mismatch going into the fight and ended up being just as much a mismatch as many people thought it would be, even though Pacquiao’s trainer Freddie Roach kept saying it would be a more appealing fight than a Mayweather bout. That was quickly proven wrong when Clottey stationed himself against the ropes early on in the fight and pretty much stayed there, covering up and doing little to fight back for 12 rounds.
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I want them to fight but in the same time I don’t. Because right now whats keeping boxing alive is the fight with mayweather and manny paquiao when it’s done nobody is really gonna care about boxing anymore.
if mayweather dont whant packiao …fine. but what about maidana?? and the only reason the i say MAIDANA is becouse he can bet him!! if some 1 put that on the table MAYWEATHER IS GONNA SAY NO!! HE ONLY FIGHT OLDER FIGTHERS . PLEASE LETS NOT BE BLIND AFTER HES COMEBACK HE FIGTH 37 YEAR OLD MARQUEZ AND ALMOST 40 YEAR OLD MOSLEY BUT SOME GUYS WHO THINCK THEY KNOW ABOUT THE SPORT SAY MANNY IS THE 1 WHO FIGTH OLDER GUYS .
There are so many completely different stories going around same as before. i read up on all the world boxing news everyday but I used to check the internet for all the news on this possible fight bout twice a week and over time seem to find im on the internet twice a day searching there latest news. this fight is getting bigger and bigger to the public and both camps know this. lets just hope theyve hyped it up enough and it gets made for 2011.
Was Oscar delusional when he made this comment in front of live television? I think not. So was there an actual negotiation taking place? I think so and it was very very close to an agreement. Bob Arum may have changed his stance as instructed by PAC to give in to Floyd’s demand on blood testing.
BUT SOMEHOW, FLOYD HAD A CHANGED OF HEART??? or is it FEAR??
Something happened in June 2010 that made Oscar optimistic that PACMAN and Floyd had come into an agreement.
Bob Arum’s stance in May 2010 may have changed in June.
I don’t believe Pacquiao’s record compares with Mayweathers in terms of what both have achieved, but when all is said and done styles make fights and i believe Pacquiao has the style to trouble and quit possibly beat Mayweather by relentlessly chasing him down and basically terrorising him until he quits. Whatever happens and whoever wins to me is not the be all and end all i just hope the fight happens and the long suffering fans get what they want, a generation defining fight, something to talk about in years to come. Peace x
mayweather snr drug dealer mayweather jnr women beater roger mayweather quits on his stool and beats up women and uncle jeff looks like he on crystal meth
@Rob,
Thanks. That puts a lot into perspective. I didn’t realize that Pac was a world champ when he lost early in his career (another blogger tried to compare him to Floyd at that time in their respective careers…)
However, we must be careful when suggesting decisions were bogus because that gives creedence to those who want to suggest the same about any other fighter. A decision is a decision (unless it’s overturned). If the fight goes to the cards, there is always that possibility.
@Rob12
Ha ha ha. Looks like someone is very bitter about Pacquiao’s achievements and popularity. Can’t blame that writer. A non-American getting all those accolades. He must be a big Flomo. Tell him he just won a Pulitzer. Ha ha ha.
Right on Rob! well said. One day people might realise the cold hard facts about Pacquiao,after Mayweather thrashes him they will.
by CJ James Contributor Written on June 14, 2010 This is how boxing works. If you have a lot of fans, who buy a lot of magazines, and visit a lot of web sites, then the media just spends most of their time telling you how great he is.
Please come back tomorrow.
You have entire web sites these days, like the Examiner.com, which are only in business as they’ve devoted their entire editorial to sucking the collective balls of Asia.
Even this site has a policy of promoting Pacquiao articles in this section. In the grand pursuit of reads.
The problem being, once you retire, and the bandwagon jumpers find another knock-out merchant to follow, you lose the hype, media cheerleading, and have to rely on what’s actually on your resume.
Pacquiao reminds me of Mike Tyson, in regards to legacy. We had 70 percent of the planet trying to ram “Mike is the greatest Heavyweight of all time” down our throats in the 1980s and early 1990s.
The media. The fans. Everyone.
Only those who were real students of the sport, were thinking “yeah, but he’s never boxed Holyfield or Lewis yet, and will probably lose to both.”
Now he’s retired and the band-wagoners are gone, and the media are no longer in love with him, it’s just us and his resume.
And it ain’t too pretty.
Honestly. I scratch my head reading coverage of Pacquiao. It’s Tyson all over again. Journalists with a gun to their head, chasing the all important fan reads.
When you actually look at the guy’s career, I can almost guarantee that the guy will lose at least 30 places on an All Time Great list as soon as he retires, and the casual fans move on to the next hero.
Seriously. These things happen.
He won the WBC flyweight title. Made one defence, and then lost it to Singsurat. Did he go for a re-match? No, he just ducked the guy, and ran away.
He won the IBF Super-Bantamweight title, made one defense, and then lost again. I say lost, he was actually given one of the more sickeningly corrupt decisions I’ve ever seen in boxing.
He was actually down on all three cards at round five, with his face completely battered from numerous bombs he’d taken. The referee suddenly decides to deduct Sanchez TWO points in two consecutive rounds, bringing Pacquiao level. He then decides to stop it on cuts immediately, and announces it a draw.
He beats Barrera. I have no qualms about this bout. It was a good win.
In his very next bout, he faces Marquez. You won’t find a pundit or TV company in the world who didn’t give that bout to Marquez by at least two rounds. Most had him four rounds up.
Guess what. Another corrupt draw saves Pacquiao.
So let’s tally up the career so far. Every single title he was won so far, he’s either lost it in the very next defense or managed to hang on to it by being given a corrupt draw.
So Manny has managed to hold on to his title, by an Arum-decision, when he lost the bout by a long way. It doesn’t matter, because he gets schooled again two fights later by Morales and loses it again anyway!
Honestly. Manny Pacquiao’s career up until 2006 was just losing. Well, either losing to every top fighter he faced, or getting corrupt draws to save him.
So please, shut up about this “seven weight world champion” like he was a dominant fighter at the lower weights.
So what happens after he’s been schooled two times in his last three fights, against Marquez and Morales?
Well he refuses to re-match Marquez. He actually refuses to re-match Marquez for five years after the draw, as he knows the only chance he has is if the guy’s 34 years old, and has lost a bit.
Do you get that? After the Marquez draw he wouldn’t face him again for five years. Imagine if Mayweather did that after the questionable Castillo win?
Pacquiao originally doesn’t want to re-match Morales either, and doesn’t. Until the guy loses to journeyman Zaheer Rahman, by a long way.
So he re-matches an old Morales, coming off his big loss, and wins. Just look at the score cards by the way. Rahman beat Morales by on average, six rounds, on the score cards. On one card he won by eight. When the bout was stopped, Manny was only two rounds ahead of Morales.
What a legendary win. Doing worse than Zaheer Rahman.
Marquez, still chasing his rematch after three years, gets snubbed again for Morales. A guy who’d lost three of his last four fights, and who was obviously shot.
That doesn’t matter. Manny loves facing old names, coming off of losses.
Six months after Pacquiao beat him, the guy lost to David Diaz…Manny’s wins over Morales are sandwiched in between the guy losing to Zaheer Rahman and David Diaz.
Has to tell you everything about that. Just facing and old, shot name.
Next bout, an old shot Barrera has just been schooled by Marquez. Marquez won every round on one card.
So I’m guessing Pacquiao takes on Marquez?
Hell no! Barreras is an old, shot name, coming off a huge loss. Let’s face him instead. Marquez is still 33. He still might be dangerous.
Finally, five years after the original controversial draw, Pacquiao gives Marquez a rematch. Even though the guy has been divisional No. 2, and PFP top 10 for at least three years behind you.
What happens? He gets an even more corrupt decision to hang on to his belts. Does he re-match this one immediately? Hell no, he runs away again!
Honestly. Manny Pacquiao only faced four elite opponents at the lower weights. As in, peak-ish guys, who hadn’t just been beaten by a lesser fighter.
Morales (first)—he lost
Marquez (first)—he lost
Barrera (first)—he won
Marquez (second)—he lost.
He ducked re-matches against almost all of the guys he lost to at the lower weights. Including Marquez.
After being whupped by Marquez, Manny had no love. He was well exposed as a tough brawler, who came unstuck against quality, technical counter punchers.
So what did his people do? They do as all losing fighters do. Just move divisions, and hand pick more beatable opponents, to re-build the reputation.
First lightweight, where the PFP No. 2 criminally hand picks the worst world champion in the division.
He then moves to 147, and faces a guy who hadn’t even boxed there for 11 years, in a shot, Oscar de la Hoya. The Oscar de la Hoya who nearly got knocked out by Steve Forbes in his warmup for God’s sake!
Was facing an old, shot guy, who hadn’t made weight below 154 in 11 years easy enough?
Hell no. Let’s put in his contract that Oscar will have to pay fines for every pound he enters the ring over 147 as well. Make the guy have to box at the exact same weight as Pacquiao.
Oscar’s last in ring weight before Pacquiao = 168 pounds.
In ring versus Pacquiao = 147 pounds!
Next, hand picking Ricky Hatton over guys like Mosley, Williams, Bradley, and Marquez b because the guy was old, shot, and coming off a big loss. That and the fact that he nearly got knocked out in his bout with Juan Lazcano (a Mayweather sparring partner).
Another shot name, coming off a loss, hand picked for his style.
Next, exactly the same. An old, brawler, in Cotto, coming off a big loss. And he took this fight over the PFP No. 3 Shane Mosley!?
Shane turned up at the guy’s gym to get the fight. He said he’d box for 20 percent to make the bout happen.
The biggest bout in boxing at the time. Roach hand picks Cotto as, in his words: “It would be a boring fight with Mosley. He runs. Cotto comes to fight.”
Translated, Shane’s too slick for Pacquiao, and like Marquez, may beat him.
Let’s just look at the facts.
Pacquiao didn’t dominate at any lower weight. He lost at most of them. I’d argue that he wasn’t even the best 130 fighter when he was there. He either lost, or got very lucky in at least 50 percent of his big bouts there.
All he’s done since being taken to school by Marquez, is face easier opponents. Hand picked brawlers, without the skill or speed to cause him problems.
Marquez. Ducked
Mosley. Ducked
Williams. No
Bradley. No
Mayweather. He pulled out of it, and fought Clottey instead.
Nearly all of Pacquiao’s big wins are against old, shot names, coming off of losses. Guys who have already lost to Grade B opposition.
As soon as the bandwagon jumpers have moved on to their next guy, as soon as Pacquiao retires or loses, it will just be him, and his lousy resume.
@chana – i agree with you.
if floyd wins,it’ll be by decision.
if pacquiao wins,it’ll be KO.
ric
“no way can james douglas beat mike tyson,are you kidding???this here is just a tune-up for a huge evander holyfield fight”….
35-1 underdog
how wrong were those words.those betting odds.
piece of advice -look beyond your fighter.
floyd mayweather is known to have problems with southpaws and manny pacquiao is the BEST southpaw he’ll ever face.
manny pacquiao runs into problems when he faces boxers/counter-punchers,and floyd mayweather is one of the BEST boxer/counter-puncher in the sport.
bottom line – toss-up
ric
THIS IS THE SUREST PREDICTION. BASE FROM CAREFUL ANALYSIS AND A LONG OBSERVATION OF BOTH FIGHTERS: FLOYD MAYWEATHER MAY WIN VIA DECISION ONLY. WHEREAS MANNY PACQUIAO WILL WIN BY KNOCKOUT OR TKO IF THE CLASH BETWEEN THEM WOULD MATERIALIZE.
And with regards to PED use. What on God’s green earth makes Manny any more likely to have used PED’s in the past to get a continued boost than Floyd himself?
Floyd, in fact, has been looking quite monstrous of late himself. Should we be concerned at his increasing mass at this stage in his career?
Or should both sides simply STFU and stop whining like girls about PED use, and whether Manny has already turned himself into the Incredible Hulk so convincingly that he doesn’t even NEED the drugs anymore.
Give me a break.
…ryan
@kray
Hit and not get hit only gets you so far. Sometimes perception trumps montra. Manny is a known combination puncher. Many thing he is not accurate, but if you look at his power punch stats, they are very high. He throws measurement jabs which don’t land and throw off his overall stats.
What I’m getting at. Even if Floyd is more accurate, and has better defense, he has to do enough to win the rounds, right? That means he has to be busy enough to sway a judge, right? That means he can’t just cover up while Manny unleashes, but has to time his counters, and land them more than one at a time.
That is where this fight will get interesting. Because you and I agree that Floyd won’t pull a Clottey. I think you’ll see Floyd using his bigger size to try and bully Manny around the ring. Clinching, putting the elbow out when Manny bull-rushes him, shoving around the ropes, etc.
But in the end, he has to take some risks, or I think Manny will win rounds on being busier and bringing the fight to Floyd. If Floyd stays conservative, I could even see him losing a decision on points.
We know what Manny is going to do, that’s the beauty of his matches. He’s easy to “figure out” as they say. And yet, he wins in spite of it. Granted he’s not chosen the freshest counter-punchers yet.
But Floyd hasn’t faces a true speed-fighter with knockout power in both hands before either, so it’s a test for him as well.
Any way you look at it, on paper this is a toss-up. It has upset written all over it, and if you can’t read the writing, it just might end up on the wall before the fight is over for everyone to read aloud.
Floyd may not be afraid, but he may not be fully prepared for this one either. If it’s true that he doesn’t study film, Roger may not be able to do much more than blow smoke, going all-in on his nephew’s God-given talent and hoping it gets him to victory.
This fight, like the purse split, is as 50/50 as it gets.
…ryan
all the Pac haters will once again be silenced when Pacquiao knocks out Mayweather! True boxing fans that understand the sport weigh in the odds. Pacquiao is a knockout artist, Pacquiao has a proven chin! Pacquiao in my oppinion is quicker and throws more combonation punches! All around, I just dont see Mayweather pulling off a victory with a beast like Pacquiao!
mexicools
Ok lets compare You first. You can’t count Hatton or ODLH cuz PBF beat dem first. And he beat ODLH at 154. So I’m waiting on you. Just look at the fighters Manny beat to earn his belts. That list is a joke
LIL GIANT – why don’t we talk about how floyd cherry picked his opponents??? lolz… pacman fights are more spectacular than floyd fights.. you cannot even compare the achievements of pacman and floyd. it’s like comparing a chocolate and a piece of sh1t.
De La Hoya is trying to bring hope to the situation, when the Floyd is already sailing for the Horizon with his long term vacation.
Hope is good… but then again hope doesn’t provide food for the table, new car, new job, nor this fight!!!
Good Luck!!!
I must admit I find it interesting that when speaking on the Pac/Floyd fight, some Pac fans act as if Floyd is just some run of the mill fighter. The guy has been an elite fighter for years, has only lost on 1 judges score card in 41 fights, has dominated every style of fighter, has shown can take a punch from heavy hitters, has shown resolve and determination was the P4P king before retiring, came back and continue to dominate. Not to take anything away from Pac but as far as skill level he does not have the same skill set as Floyd. They have a completely different fighting style but as far as skill goes Floyd has superior skills. I’ll take a superior boxer over a puncher any day of the week.
@Bukapee: My sister reports to her CITO. Google job description for chief info tech officer. They get paid handsome amount of money too, eh?
CIO’s role covers everything information-related not just with technology as means or channel. CTO’s role covers everything technology-related not just information as objective or source. These days acronyms are used for everything and anything. I guess especially in the complex weave of today’s corporate structure.
The most lucrative in history,Remember when frazier Ali was the biggest payday.
@Bukapee, who cares what Anuk does, or how much he makes? If he can feed his family then Good for him…
@Mayweather Sr…
You stfu, you drug dealin cokehead!
Albulario
Sorry no 7-lineal titles. Last three titles have been hand picked fighters
David Diaz – 135 was a paper champ
Ricky Hatton – 140 was knockout by PBF but kept his belt.
Miquel Cotto – obtain vacant WBO belt after getting beat by Margarito defeated Micheal Jennings for the belt and he fought Cotto below 147
Is anyone witnessing a Mean, Angry, Envious Floyd Mayweather Jr that Albinorio mentions below?
NEITHER HAVE I….
@anaknghueteng
There is a Chief Information Officer (CIO) and there is a Chief Technology Officer (CTO) but this is the first time I heard of a Chief Information Technology Officer. Looks like you are indeed making things up. He he he. So what does a Chief Information Technoloyg Officer do? Ha ha ha.
@kutonglupa
There is a Chief Information Officer (CIO) and there is a Chief Technology Officer (CTO) but this is the first time I heard of a Chief Information Technology Officer. Looks like you are indeed making things up. He he he. So what does a Chief Information Technoloyg Officer do? Ha ha ha.
Perhaps there’s a good thing that will be realized about the accusation of performance enhancing drug use by Mayweather Jr/Sr on Manny Pacquiao.
If you analyze the whole thing about the effectiveness of the so called PED’s then it really works and is very effective…what-ever it is that Manny is taking should not be banned at all but should be made available to everyone…
Why ??
1. The PED of Manny can transform anyone from dirt poor to super rich.
2. The PED of Manny can win him 7-lineal titles.
3. The PED of Manny makes super hot chicks fall for him.
4. The PED of Manny made him a National Hero in the eyes of his countrymen.
5. The PED of Manny made him a super knock-out artist.
6. The PED of Manny can stop the whole Philippines for one hour.
7. The PED of Manny made him a Congressman.
8. The PED of Manny made him P4P king.
9. The PED of Manny made him Fighter of the decade.
10. But the most interesting of all……
The PED of Manny made Floyd Mayweather Jr. into a bitter, envious, greedy, fearful, accusing, dumbfounded, un-reasonable…most hated in the whole world.
I have often wondered how Manny Pacquiao could overcome the speed of Floyd Mayweather with a 4″ reach disadvantage.
That’s just to much to give up to Mayweather IMHO.
Personally, I just can’t see how Pacquiao can overcome the the overwhelming skills and physical attributes of Floyd Mayweather.
Height, Reach, Arm Length, Speeed, Ring Intelligence, Movement, and precision striking are in Floyd’s favor.
Pacfans, let’s have an intelligent debate.
We have all watched the same fights. Manny Pacquao is very easy to hit. Floyd will tag him at will. How will Manny overcome that?
Please don’t tell me by throwing more punches…Floyd will exploit that and stop Manny early if he tries to overwhelm him with an overabundance of punches.
Lets get it on then ASP so i can collect my money from a Pac win.
@Soph,
David Diaz also said that Pac’s power isn’t what bothered him.
Also, I’ll cede the point of Floyd’s history will injuries, and it very well could prove disastrous against a non-stop punching machine, but if the fight comes off, we’ll have to see how he holds up because I’m sure he’ll stand his ground more often than not against Pac (I thought Naazim Richardson’s comment was one of the best that I’ve heard about Floyd – “Floyd can stand in there a little bit…he’ll get hit in the mouth and then turn into a dragon”
@Zorro,
That’s good to hear. I also just want to have fun AND have lively, meaningful discourse. But it becomes less meaningful when the namecalling begins and insults are hurled (on any side). I’ve had decent conversations with opposing points of view from guys like Sophocles and Ryan Dunn (I’ve gotten good info from both), and guys like Kray have similar views with me and he doesn’t seem to be a mudslinger (he backs his position up with well-thought analyses and no emotional namecalling).
Let’s keep it civil.
Thanks.
@floyd doesnt move as much since the hatton match because his uncle has told him to stop movin as much. durin that match he told floyd to hold his position that hatton could not stand with him. he has learned how not to always move as much, still not be hit and hit his apponents even more. what about his last match shows that he has lost a step. he dominated that match. there where rounds he was not hit at all. he is on a entirely different level. no one 147 and under can see him. match of the century? this wont be any compatition. this will be a very very easy will for floyd. and i know no one will believe it untill it happens.but thats what. floyd is at the peak of his carear and if this is set it will be shown on november. the excuses will start and everyone will start talkin about how floyd never beat anyone and how he is scared of paul williams.
@Sophocles************** you dont just just develop power and speed at 30 years old, it doesnt happen. there is only one way to do that and thats with performance inhancin substances. and manny has the same style he has always had nothin different about what he does. only differance is somehow at 30 he has develped speed and power he didnt have b4 witch is humanly impossible. watch all that power disapear in this match. watch all that speed evaperate and look for a bloated manny that is not as cut as he was in his last few matches. wont be as cut as usual.he will not make it to the 8th round i promise you that.
@sophocles…what a true boxing fan you are..kudos..!
@ sophocles
Man, it’s awesome, I like reading your comments. I have no doubt that you are expert in this field. More power to you.
All you you pactards keep saying my son Floyd wont fight pacaiuo. Just like you said he will never fight Mosley! Mosley will knock out Mayweather, right. STFU!
OSCAR DE LA HOYA GREATEST FIGHTER OF ALL TIME !!!!!, GREATEST PROMOTER OF MODERN TIME !!!, EVERYTHING HE TOUCHES TURNS GOLD ……
@Big Lo
Don’t sweat it, my friend. I’m here to have fun not to exchange barbs
Nice spin Oscar
Whoever wins this fight will indeed be adjudged as one of the greatest of all time. If the fight is close, a rematch will surely bring in more revenues for both and make them super rich as well as enshrine them surely in the hall of fame. Having observed the style of both, I would predict Pacquiao to win between the 6th and 8th rounds either by KO or TKO. That is my opinion and I hope that Mayweather fans will respect it in the same way that I will respect theirs.
The only person who said Pac doesn’t hit hard (from what I’ve seen) was Oscar, but then later he tried to say his hits felt the same as Shane and Vargas, who were on roids when he fought them.
Other than that, Cotto said he’s never been hit that hard and he’s been in some wars with the likes of Margarito and Mosley, got hit with bombs by all of them and he says Pac hits the hardest… which is generated by his ridiculous speed and torque. Most of his opponents talk about the speed though more than the power.
And for the record, he’s ALWAYS had that one punch KO power in his left hand, check his early fights- a lot of them are on youtube. His right was fully developed only after hooking up w/ Roach and now he just has monstrous speed, KO power, and variety in both hands.
@Big Lo
That’s all and well against the Ricky Hattons of the world but not being mobile against Pacquiao=brutal knockout loss. He would need Super Saiyan-like reflexes to read and react to Pacquiao’s assault standing flat-footed, or he could always just curl up in a ball and try to survive to collect his pay check like Clottey. But Floyd isn’t as strong and durable as Joshua so I don’t know how much battering his arms and ribs can take. He has a history of brittle hands, torn rotator cuffs, rib injuries, etc.
If he’s not on his bicycle, it will be a very painful night for Money.
Also, Pac doesn’t seem to be the big one-punch guy that many think he is. He has had one specactular early KO against Hatton, but his other KO’s come from sustained punches forcing a stoppage (ref, corner, fighter himself). I have heard on a few occasions that Pac doesn’t hit hard, but is relentless and fast.
So don’t be so sure he would brutally KO these guys early (Singsurat and Torrecampo).
The same for Floyd, he’s never been a big puncher, so again I wouldn’t be sure of the early KO.
@kutonglupa: Ever heard of a position called Chief Information Technology Officer?
Uh-huh.
Fight will not happen.. De La Hoya is not Floyd..
Floyd moves whenever he wants to move.. and he will not fight Pacquiao..
Floyd will be back when Pacquiao retires to keep boxing alive..
@Soph,
About Floyd’s footwork, since he’s moved up in weight, he hasn’t really moved as much becuase he became smarter and learned to defend while standing in front of you.
He basically stands in front of you to bait you in and then moves back or to the side when you make a move. He has rarely needed to be in constant movement, but I’m pretty sure it’s still there if he needs it.
Yeah, the thing is though- Pac turned pro when he was 16 or 17 so he was literally an undersized, malnourished kid fighting trained grown men and had nothing to go on besides his raw talent (which was considerable). Floyd had the advantage of having a great boxing pedigree- he received the best training/grooming since he learned to walk probably, from his father and uncles- all accomplished world champions. He used the amateurs to refine his skills and test himself and won a ton and lost a few.
Pacquiao didn’t get that sort of grooming and training until much later on in his career so by the time he became known to the world at large, he was still pretty raw and unrefined. If you watch his fights and focus on his skills evolving and not just weight gain, you can see the drastic improvement in ambidexterity, ring generalship, footwork, head movement, etc that came as a result of his work with Freddie Roach. I am 100% sure the Pacquiao we know now would brutally KO Singsurat and Torrecampo early if he fought them, much like I don’t think Nouredine Medjihoud would last 3 rounds with Floyd today… wouldn’t even have a chance in hell in landing the fight in the first place.
People really need to start putting things in perspective.
@Sophocles,
Also, my view of Pac has NEVER been shaped by his early losses because I didn’t know him as a fighter back then. My view began being shaped when he started fighting in America (first with Leholoho Ledwaba, and then Morales and JMM).
I’m willing to pay even 70 for PPV just for the fight to happen.
@Sophocles,
Since you brought it up, I think one of the issues with Manny’s early losses is that he was KO’d, whereas Floyd lost via the amateur point system (though I am interested in Floyd’s amateur record, so if you can give some more info I would like to look it up – for example names and perhaps Youtube links).
See you guys aren’t REALLY watching these fights. Floyd has only fought 4 times in the last 3 years and it was against questionable competition- De La Hoya who had only fought Ricardo ‘I smoke and drink’ Mayorga in 3 years since being KO’ed by Hopkins before fighting Floyd, a completely overrated Ricky Hatton who leads with his chin (Pac DEMOLISHED both guys like they were less than sparring partners), an old bloated Marquez who had never fought past 135 (and Floyd felt he needed to come in heavier lol), and a 38 year old but game Mosley (who almost floored him).
Just watching those fights you can see Floyd’s footwork isn’t what it used to be. He couldn’t keep Oscar or Hatton off of him, luckily Hatton never learned how to block and Oscar was done at that point. Marquez had no business at welter and if he fought Manny at that weight he would get Ricky Hattoned. But his movement isn’t fluid like it used to be and he doesn’t string combos like he used to- this is a fact that is clear from comparing Floyd now to 3-4 years ago. Roach sees this and knows Floyd can’t avoid Manny and can’t create space.
And why do people constantly bring up Pacquiao losing when he was a malnourished, untrained teenager fighting in the pros? SHould I bring up some of the names Money lost to when he was the same way… against amateurs, he lost 6 times (including once to a guy who was 0-3 as a pro). The only person Manny has lost to in the last decade is Morales who is a TOP 50 all time fighter, one of the 5 best Mexican fighters ever… and he avenged the loss by knocking him out twice.
Stop the bs and just make it happen. People is sick and tired of these 2 primadonas, Pac for not accepting a drug test and Floyd, in return, for his Olympic-style drug test (why asked Manny and not his past opponent, obviously a deliberate action to stall or avoid the fight). Either way you look at it both have valid reasons to say NO. Although i believed that Pac is clean he should just accept the random test and deal with Floyd’s bs.
@Ulol,
Thanks, we’ll end it here. But you mischaracterized what I said. I NEVER said JMM won the 2nd fight with Pac.
@Zorro,
We’re talking about a 3rd match with JMM. This is looking at the future, not the past.
Please try to keep up.
Also, about a 3rd match, sure, Manny may “murder” JMM, but he’s had 2 chances to prove that theory already.
Lastly, I’ve read a few of your posts (especially some of the recent “hek, hek, hek” comments about Floyd demanding an iron test in Pac’s jaw and something about the US govt and black rioters in America or something) – this will be the only time that I entertain your posts.
Thanks.
Wondering how the negotiation getting so fast. I thought we just heard from Mayweather camp thar theres no negotiation goin on. Now…
its almost a done deal. Wow
@ Big Lo
I must thank Zorro for his rebuke. I should not live in the past. Therefore, I must conlude by saying, JMM vs. Pac is history and there’s no way you can re-write it. A Past is a past. Pac the declared the winner. I rest my case.
Sophocles so you really think Pac would beat a prime Oscar? Come on the guy fought Oscar at a weight he hadn’t fought at in 8 years. As for the DLH/Floyd fight the reason DLH stopped throwing his jab had more to do with constantly being countered than anything else.
So Floyd only moves back on the ropes?? Ok you just lost what little credibility you had with that statement.
Explain to me how Pac is in his prime but Floyd is now an old man, considering Pac has had more fights than Floyd and has BY FAR taken more punishment. Floyd got caught with 2 flush shots from Shane that would have flored Pac, however it my memory serves me correctly Pac has been put on his butt more than Floyd by lesser competition than Shane.
Riddle me this, why is it that Roach refused to fight Shane when Shane came to the wild card gym clamoring for a fight with Pac? Shane asked Roach why he wouldn’t fight him at 147 but was willing to fight DLH at 147 and Roach said “Because you’re better than Oscar”
“Joe says:
June 12, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Wait, isn’t this the same guy who said these two contradicting statements about Pacquiao?
“I just didn’t care. I didn’t care if he was hitting me because I couldn’t do anything about it. Luckily he doesn’t hit hard. Obviously, if he would’ve hit hard, he would have knocked me out with no problem.”
“I’m saying to myself, “Wow. Those Mosley punches, those Vargas punches and those Pacquiao punches all felt the same.”
Sorry, but as much as I’d love to see Pac and Floyd fight, I’d rather wait for an official press conference statement before I can believe what comes out of this guy’s mouth, same with A(ss)rum.”
THANK YOU
I never said Pacquiao was fighting a prime Oscar (he would’ve demolished him then too btw), and Oscar was shot when he fought Floyd, and he still almost beat Money… even though he couldn’t pull the trigger anymore. Roach was basically begging him to throw the jab because it was working but Oscar fizzled at the end as was always his custom in big fights (see Trinidad, Felix).
Roach knew Oscar was way past his best then and knew Manny would win easily. He’s a terrific match maker and sees fighter’s strengths and weaknesses and he’s been calling for Floyd to fight Manny since before Pacquiao-Hatton, so he’s 100% convinced Manny will not only beat Floyd but knock him out.
And I agree w/ him, especially about Floyd not having his legs/mobility anymore. Compare Floyd’s fights from a few years ago (especially at LW) and now. He was so much more agile and fluid then, and his foot speed was out of this world. But now he only moves to back into the ropes, and he throws one punch at a time, doesn’t string together his combos like he used to. He’s 33 years old, he’s not a young man and he really has no business fighting a prime knockout machine, especially a southpaw. He’s better off sticking to the 35 year and older crowd, the smaller the better. He almost got KTFO by a 38 year old.
Like I said, Floyd Sr knows fighting Pacquiao is a death sentence for his son’s record and career.
Sophocles, so because Roach said Floyd doens’t have his legs anymore it must be true, sorta like Floyd Sr. implying Pac is on the juice right? It is quite apparent that you do not look at the underlying nuances to Floyd’s fight against Shane. Everyone was saying Floyd was going to run from Shane all night when in fact Floyd was the agressor and stalked Shane all night…does that mean Floyd doens’t have his legs anymore because he fought a fight nobody expected him to do?
Sophocles Roach indicated that he knew DLH didn’t have anything left in his tank, especially after having to use an IV to rehydrate prior to the fight. Whatever excuses were made about why DLH lost…I believe Roach’s assesment was the most accurate.
rob – so you don’t know that oscar cheated????
Pacquiao came at complete 145 before he went to the official scales. so how come that pacman weighs only 142???.. it only shows that dela hoya is overwheight 3lbs. you want an article about that??? type on google you will find allot of it.. atleast pacquiao have the mentality that the fight should go on since the real fight is on the ring, not on the weighing scales…
@Rob
I didn’t see anything from Oscar in that fight or any of his other bouts that said that if he came in at 154 that he would magically be able to deal with Pacquiao’s blinding speed, constant shots from odd angles, etc. And Clottey is a guy no one looks good fighting- he’s tough, durable, and comes in like I said earlier 160-165 on fight night, so a full middleweight… and he was terrified of opening up because Manny was too fast and hit too hard.
Floyd isn’t as mobile as he used to be, even Freddie Roach pointed out that Floyd at 33 doesn’t seem to have his legs anymore. Pacquiao being a southpaw, having insane speed, throwing from random unorthodox angles… I just don’t see how Floyd overcomes that. I think it will look a lot like Pacquiao-Clottey, with a smaller, weaker Joshua. A bit more crafty, but still not equipped to withstand the Tsunami.
Floyd Sr knows this which is why he wants nothing to do w/ his son fighting Pac and that’s why we have all this stalling. Maybe in the end a massive payday(s) will be enough to goad Floyd into taking a serious beating.
Will guys quit living in the past! JMM is beaten by Pacquiao – end of story. JMM got knocked down 4x and lucky to have gotten a draw in the first bout. If anybody still contesting this, I say move one. Pacquiao will murder JMM if they fought in the middle weight. So it’s just right that JMM steer clear of Pacquiao if he values his life.
@sop yes there was..the doctors said he was done before he even stepped in the ring..oscar wasnt even throwing anthing because his body wouldnt allow him ..so i dont know if manny would of crushed him at 154 because he didnt fight him at nis natural weight he weight drained him and you cant compare a weight drain performance to a guy fighting at his natural health weight and. clottey and oscar is not the same.nobody gave clottey a chance at winning.
@ Rob
I was mainly making the point that there’s always a bevy of excuses after Pac absolutely annihilates opponents people didn’t think he could beat. And there was nothing in that fight that indicated that De La Hoya could deal with Pacquiao’s speed, combinations, movement, etc at ANY weight. Manny would’ve crushed him at 154 just as he did at welter, but I don’t think even the legendary A-Side Meth could help him gain 20lbs in just a few months (last fight before DLH was at 134.5 against Diaz). And for the record, Clottey comes into his fights at 160-165 lbs and he has to cut down to 147, so no excuses. He had no answers for a better fighter that everyone (and still do) underestimated, and as a result he was forced to quit on his stool or get brutally KO’ed to end his career like what happened later to poor Ricky Hatton.
The US government is rumored to be offering Pacquiao millions of dollars – more than the pot money – to let Mayweather win. They said that riots in the streets and destruction of properties would ensue if Mayweather loses. The mob mentality of black people is something that has been around in ages and the US government says that it would take more than the entire US army to appease them. Hek hek hek
Rumor has it that Mayweather-Pacquiao fight is close to be finalizing. The only thing that’s holding it is the last request from Floyd – he wants to make sure that Pacquiao doesn’t have steel plates in his body and jaws. He says metal detector doesn’t cut it anymore and insists that Pacquiao’s body and jaws be opened up literally to be sure. Hek hek hek.
@sop
so you telling me oscar wasnt weight drained….he walks in the ring normally at 165 and that night he fought at 145…and you think that wouldnet effect him..i would give manny credit for that fight if oscar wasnt dead before he walked in the ring
If & when this happens,a lot of people are sure going to be dissapointed when they will finally have to concede that Floyd Mayweather is the NO.1 Pound for Pound King.Sure Manny is going to try & make a fight of it,but Floyd is just way too good all round for Manny. Pacman is going to get schooled & battered. Mayweather by convincing Decision.
De La Hoya vs Pacquiao “The Dream Match”
Before the fight: De La Hoya is way too big, lengthy, skilled and experienced. Oscar will knock Manny out easily. Odds are 2-1 in Oscar’s favor, Manny’s odds of getting a KO or TKO are 9-1. Manny has absolutely no chance, this is a complete mismatch. De La Hoya will ride off into the sunset on top.
“What the f*** is Pacquiao gonna do to De La Hoya?” -Roger Mayweather
Fight Night: “Death by a thousand left hands” -Larry Merchant
After the fight: Oscar was drained, he was shot, Pacquiao got lucky, yadda yadda yadda.
Rinse and repeat for Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, and now Floyd.
@say it ain’t so
I’m just sayin’, you fool! It’s just what the man on the street feels about Pacquiao and Mayweather. They know after watching their respective fights, Pacquiao is twice the man Mayweather is.
@ Big Lo
Your statements are conflicting, you said you admit the facts and then turnaround and say JMM won the 2nd fight. What’s the decision? Pac was declared the winner. I don’t need to do the math, the referee did it for me. Understand?
It’s not Pac fault if Clottey refused to fight. An accuracy hit of 20% is outstanding considering the guy is completely just hiding on his shell allnight. Imagine if Floyd was the opponent, there will be 0% hit as Floyd will DUCK and Clottey will hide. Again,just admit the facts that this was a lopsided victory for Pac, no questions ask. Truth and nothing but the truth.
atleast clottey stepped up the plate and fight manny eventhought he knew his body will turn into a punching bag…
Possibly Dela Hoya was referring to Manny’s acceptance of bloodtesting up to 14 days. Everything is getting blown up.
Cheeboiga No Fry is on a roid rage! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Zorre…4 real…a house full of n%ggas on youtube…well this is good enough reason for me to put my money on Pacquiao…f*ckin loser!
@Kray,
Thanks. Good reading!!
now that the fight is on, with NSAC slapping a pie in the face of prima donna’s “i want a blood test” excuse, i can already hear it from the gorilla fans: manny winning the fight is because his on peds. i say if all of you retards really think pacquiao is on peds, why even fight. if prima donna is going to fight, there better be no excuses. i don’t want to hear any crying about “HU Hu Hu, but hes on peds, hu hu hu…” but of course, just like your idol, all of you gorilla fans will always have excuses, sour grape, bitter and will be in denial. i can hear it already. excuses excuses excuses….
@zorro
if only warriors are invited then why is clottey invited?
I heard that Pacquiao is already planning a party after his fight with Floyd. This is another bad news for Floyd. When Pacquiao does this he will be much more pumped up and eager to finish his opponents so he could be with his friend and have fun.
I heard Diaz, Cotto and Clottey are invited. Floyd wanted to go too, but Pacquiao denied him. He said only true warriors are invited. Hek hek hek
floyd M said – I am fighting for money!
Roger M said – he’s fighting for legacy!
what’s what!?!?!?
Floyd M said – I am taking a 2year break!
Roger M said – No lil floyd will not retire soon!
what’s what!?!?!?
Floyd M Sr. said – pacman is taking steriods
Roger M said – Pacman is taking A -side meth.
what’s what!?!?!?
@Ron Mcc – I hope they sign this thing too.
Good debating with you.
@Big Lo -
Yeah, reportedly, it’s in Holyfield’s book…starting on page 85, where they discuss the incident.
“books.google.com/books?id=yfjzsb7BASMC&pg=PT91&lpg=PT91&dq=holyfield+tyson+steroid+test&source=bl&ots=mScmOKIw-0&sig=zSFJuU3AY6EOZ_Yh9qxNHMKo7tw&hl=en&ei=rydBS8-1M46RlAe9zoAY&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CB4Q6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=steroid&”
@Pacman,
I didn’t realize 180 was 20% of 800…LOL
300 to 100 odds is just to coax Floyd to accept the fight.
Once he signs the contract the odds will start sliding down in favor of Pacquiao.
Then Floyd will think about a way to back-out
of the fight…like fake injury, memory loss, diarrhea of the mouth, etc.
there’s only two things going to happen during this fight, either a)floyd will pull a cotto and run all over the place, or b)will pull a clottey and cover up all day long. why, because this “MIDGET” will throw all kinds of punches from the left right or from up and down, like this punk has never experienced before. prima donna can shoulder roll or dodge all he wants. i will and can take punches from a gorilla, but i will definitely deliver them hard twice as hard. i admit prima donna is good in defense but one thing i will promise, 1 out of 5 hard punches i will throw, one will slip in. Now do the math, i will throw 800 punches the entire fight, 20% of those punches will slip in. let’s see how prima donna will do with 180 punches landing on his face. good luck.
manny is set as a 2 to 1 UNDERDOG. if tests are emplemented manny is set as a 3 to 1 UNDERDOG. manny is believed to be usin a performance enhancer. this is comin for those who set up the bets.
To prove how easy it is this fight for him, Pacquiao offered to fight Mayweather and Marquez at the same time – in the ring. The fight will be aptly called “Pacquiao eats M&Ms”. Hek hek hek.
Tommy – if that’s true, sure manny will make me billionaire…
as i predicted now that it looks like bout will be set names of williams and martinez all of a sudden bein thrown around. all of a sudden manny is a little person, small. he didnt look small vs delahoya and clottey who comes in at over 160 pounds for bouts but now that its vs floyd, all of a sudden he is small. let the excuses start.
@ Kutonglupa
I beg of you not to force CHEEBOIGA to asnwer your question. Don’t you know that he’s just a TWO-YEAR old demented baby having fun? And mind you, don’t go down to his level, his thoughts and mouth is filled with evil. I tell you, one of his foot is already on hell.
@tom britt
no hes not retired and why should he have to fight williams or sergio martinez ..both guys can fight at 160 and he fights at 147 and cant even weight in at 154 ..pacquiao fights at 147 now and one of the best in the division so you fight them…size means nothing smh stop being a hater and grow up
@Kutofbologna, let’s talk about your ass hole…You ignorant midget!!!!
DOWN GOES PACQUIAO…DOWN GOES PACQUIAO…
You will hear those words again in November!!!
@tom britt — there we go again. So Floyd is picking on a little guy? Wow!!! How soon this excuse was fired….
@Ulol,
I think I’ve been pretty clear in admitting the facts. Pac had a draw with JMM in the 1st fight, and won a close split decision in the 2nd fight.
What I said is he needs a rubber match with JMM because he didn’t have good performances in either fight (drawing in the 1st fight ONLY because of the knockdowns, and winning the 2nd fight ONLY because of the knockdown – JMM won more rounds in both fights; do the math). To Kray’s point, this is probably why they avoided JMM a 3rd time.
About Clottey, you missed my point. He freezes in most of his fights because he doesn’t punch until AFTER his opponent is done punching. With Pac, Clottey didn’t get the chance because Pac kept punching (which is largely why Cotto also beat Clottey, because Clottey wasn’t busy enough).
The Vegas odds currently suggest that a $100 bet on Manny would get you about $300..Just saying.
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De La Hoya vs Pacquiao odds:
Manny Pacquiao by KO, TKO, or DQ 9/1
So if you put $100 on Manny to win by TKO, you would’ve made $1,000… Just saying.
Floyd style can be figured out – you can bet on that. Roach and Pacquiao would device a plan for him. And Manny has said that he knows how to handle Floyd already. All he had to do is perfect it. And there are dozens of boxers with Floyd’s style that Manny can spar with. But Floyd doesn’t have someone who can spar with that have Manny’s style.
Roach and Pacquiao are dynamic duos. They are like well-oiled machine. Floyd will be in deep trouble all rounds.
To borrow Emanuel Stewards words “He (dela Hoya) doesn’t know what to do. He doesn’t know what to do at all.” This is what’s gonna happen to Floyd. The mere sight of Pacquiao in front of him, Floyd won’t know what to do because he is scared even before the start of the fight.
The Vegas odds currently suggest that a $100 bet on Manny would get you about $300..Just saying.
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De La Hoya vs Pacquiao odds:
Manny Pacquiao by KO, TKO, or DQ 9/1
@Tommy, the whole world knows the midget is going to get crushed. Those in Vegas are the pros and are rarely wrong.
The Pinoys and midgets cling to hope.
HOPE IS JUST 1 STEP FROM DESPAIR…NEVER FORGET THAT!!!
@kray Good points Good argument In my opinion eventually all fighters as they age become crafty Mayweather can use those assets and Pac uses his I just beleive eventually that one smart excellent boxer meets someone on his level with good condition the guy with a little pop might catch the other fighter don’t get me wrong I like technical fighters also and respect it I think Winky wright is one of my favorites has been avoided a lot for tech defense and saavy with no hard knockout ability appreciate the good back and forth and opinions. Hope they do sign this thing !!!
Down goes Pacquiao…Down goes Pacquiao!!!
@ Tommy -t’s not wise to bet your hard earned money on a a fighter that the betting odds are against in a factor of -160. Just saying…
@Kray,
Wow!! I don’t recall hearing that about Tyson & Holyfield. Holyfield took a steroid test at Tyson’s request before the 2nd fight? I’ve actually heard (or read somewhere) that Holyfield was more recently caught with steroids in his system (this was 3 or 4 years ago that I heard this).
@Kutofbologna, noone hates Pacquiao…Floyd will beat his ass so he will pay his dues.
We hate Pactards. All of them…
@ Kutonglupa.The Vegas odds currently suggest that a $100 bet on Manny would get you about $300..Just saying.
@Ron Mcc – Well…let’s not forget, Floyd is the BIGGER man. If he chooses to make it an ugly fight, with holding and such, Manny will not be able to get his punches off. Floyd can wrap him up, make him fight on the inside, then push him off and follow with a jab or a 1,2.
Manny is the bigger PUNCHER, but, he is NOT the STRONGER man. There’s a difference. And the reason Manny is a bigger puncher is because, he throws POWER shots from angles his opponent’s don’t see, and throws them in flurries, much of the time.
You mention measuring a fighter by how much he can take. But, the name of the game is to hit and not get hit. Fighters take punishment, usually, because, they cannot evade the punches coming at them. In the sport of boxing that’s not really an asset, since you may be losing rounds, even if you are still standing. Floyd is always in excellent condition, so he can, usually, depend on his legs to get him out of a jam. Manny doesn’t just stay against the ropes and take shots all night either. I’ve seen him use his legs to get out there, not just punch his way out.
If they should fight, Floyd will look like a fool who runs and runs around the ring, worried that he would get a flash left punch from Pacquiao. This would play over and over in his head that all his plans will be out the window.
And not only that Floyd will have to worry about Manny’s right hand too. Oh, man. Floyd will need to call all the gods that he knows to win this fight. I sure hope, for his sake, that Floyd gets out of this fight. He will get the beating of his life – like all Pacquiao’s opponents.
@Zorro, the blacks you saw lived in the Philipines…They were half midget…
Midgets…NEWS FLASH:
Pacquiao has NEVER faced an African American. There is a reason why Roach avoided them. Floyd Mayweather Jr. will show you why…
@ Big Lo
You hit the nail right on the head. Clottey got “frozen” because had he opened up, the next thing to happen would have been-Hatton2. Floyd on the otherhand can use what his best at, DUCKING, because he will need this all night to avoid Pacs powerful and piston-like punches. And as we know, Floyd can duck but he can’t hide. He will eventually get hit and I mean a lot and when this happens, he will froze and the rest is history.
Against JMM, get over it Big Boy..Pac was declared the winner. End of the story, no ifs and buts just simply admit the facts.
Floyd is in over his head accepting a fight with Pacquiao. Pacquiao is a juggernaut, a freak of nature, the elitest fighter in this era. This is the reason Floyd’s fumbles with his words and loses his cool when the subject of Pacquao is brought up in his interview. If he had a choice he wouldn’t want to fight this beast. But public condemnation would befall him if he avoids Pacquaio. So if this fight pushes through, Floyd downfall is nigh.
Pactards, you idolize Manny which is probably the wrong thing to do. Find something else to keep yourselves busy!!! MIDGETS…MIDGETS…WAKE UP!!!!
There is no way possible that a MIDGET can beat Floyd Mayweather Jr.!!! NO WAY AT ALL!!!
Do you think the midget can beat Mosely?…Really???
I warned you Mosely would get embarrassed. Pacquiao will get cut up and humiliated!!!
People talk about Floyd ducking other fighters, but that’s simply not true. In the United States we all know how the race issue plays essencially when it comes to young black and boastfull people (like boxing champion Jack Johnson that the segregation and prejudice created the demand for a “great white hope” who would defeat Johnson the first African American to hold the World Heavyweight Championship title, was the best fighter of his generation. Yet, white reaction against Johnson’s win and his very public relationships with white women). Now you have Floyd that shows clearly his disdain to commentators like Larry Merchant or promoters like Bob Arum. But pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather Jr. rejected promoter Bob Arum’s $8 million offer to fight welterweight titlist Antonio Margarito, and he instead exercised a provision in his contract to buy Arum out and become a promotional free agent for $750,000. According to one article on ESPN from 2006 – Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million. Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn’t interested in participating in. “That’s not in the cards,” Arum said. “He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It’s not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold ‘em and when to fold ‘em. We’ll talk about things down the road.” The split frees Mayweather to make a potential deal with De La Hoya without Arum as part of the promotion. His involvement would have made making a deal almost impossible: The head of Top Rank has openly feuded with De La Hoya, his former superstar, and their companies rarely do business together as a result. Arum said he was simply not interested in participating in a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight, but not because of his distaste for De La Hoya. “I don’t want to, because if I did that fight, I would be working for such a small percentage, it’s not worth it,” he said.So when Mayweather split with Arum he made the fight with De La Hoya and that fight broke all the previous records on PPV and gate buys (Oscar made 52 million and Floyd 25 million respectively). Arum cannot forgive Mayweather for becoming his own boss.
So is Floyd still going through with his 1-2 year ‘retirement’ plan like he said he would last week?
And we were already sold on the whole ‘done deal’ b.s. 6 months ago, call me when they actually sign the contracts.
Mayweather ain’t got a shot against Pacquiao. Those who believe that Mayweather will win is wishful thinking. I saw in youtube a household full of blacks. They are all Floyd fans but all of them them think Floyd will lose.
Any sensible person won’t bet on Floyd. Just watch Floyd and Manny’s respective fights against dela Hoya and Hatton. If you think Floyd will win against Pacquiao, then something is wrong with you.
You have to understand AnakNgHuweteng. He must have lost a lot of money betting against Pacquiao.
Oscar de la Hoya says Pacquiao-Mayweather fight is almost a done deal. Word of caution, never trust the words of a hypocrite. They will say something today and then they will say another tomorrow.
@kUTOFBOLOGNA, did you miss me? What in the hell are you talking about? I make no sense out of your dialogue. But you are probably sitting in your mom’s trailer using her computer until she makes he dough on the street.
Man, i know there is no way to show you…my life is well beyond your dreams.
Let’s leave it at that!
DOWN GOES PACQUIAO…DOWN GOES PACQUIAO FOR THE 3RD TIME!!!
@titikman – I’m just giving my pre-fight analysis like everyone else on here. Of course, we will see what’s up, if they fight. However, we know enough about each fighter’s natural tendencies to discuss their keys to victory and such.
As far as Mayweather Sr’s concerns. They were about the POWER not the skill of Manny. PEDs don’t give you more skill. But, they can help you increase power and/or stamina. Mayweather Sr. knows BOXING better than most people in and out of the sport. He was a very good boxer himself…not elite…but good. That does not make his word the law. It just makes it an educated (not necessarily accurate) assessment of a fighter’s abilities.
He had questions about what he saw of Manny during the Hatton fight. Right after the fight, he gave Manny his credit, and said Hatton did not follow the gameplan. Which was true. Hatton probably would’ve still lost. But, probably, not in such brutal fashion. Anyway, Mayweather Sr. questioned Manny’s POWER not his win over Hatton, during a post-fight interview. He later attributed that to PEDs, and in his mind the stoppage of a bigger Cotto, strengthened his resolve on the matter.
As far as boxer’s concern of other boxer’s being on steroids, it’s nothing new. Tyson would not fight Holyfield a second time, back in 1996, w / o a steroid test, outside the NSAC norm to perform, back then. Holyfield himself admitted to assuming one of his opponents was on steroids, before he fought him, in 1990. Although, he did not ask him to take a test.
In the case of Tyson vs Holyfield. Holyfield took the test, though he was insulted by Tyson asking for it, passed it, and beat Tyson a second time.
@AnakNgHueteng is a filipino illegal allien in U.S. Wait till the Bu. of Immigration catches you.
@ kray
We all tend to exaggerate to make our point. You see, we can argue all day and night but at the end of the day, you and I have still our own conviction (opinion) and stand by it. My hope at this stage is, may the fight happens so we can put to rest all these predictions and biases, right or wrong, though I will certainly miss the fun. However your arguments sound so convincing, it all boils down to fight night. Let me put it this way, all things are possible to happen in that “big night” and all points to Pac’s favor.
@Kray You are intelligent in your responses and know the sport in that you should know intimidation from Floyd is about boxing saavy but he will be facing a fighter with speed knockout power in both hands and able to beat him physically even if he covers up I do not think he can pot shot and dance even with a good right lead he can not take a whole fight of power shots there has not been a opponent like this for him or for Pac however pac crushing hatton and Cotto and seeing how fighters who fight from a standpoint of what they give not take reminds me of Tyson vs Holyfield everyone has a excuse for the “bad man” until someone beats him i beleive in judging the fighter based on tough fights and will power in standing up and seeing how you can take it when you have no choice floyd says he is better than Ali and Sugar ray Robinson then fight someone who is your version of frazier and see if you are the better man win lose or draw stop the bs as a fighter and fight.
I thought we got rid of all the MAKAPILI during the Japanese war. I think Anaknghuweting is a Chongbian follower and mad because his master lost to pacquiao in congregational election.
JMM will be next. Freddie Roach wants Pacman to fight JMM before he retires from boxing to silence critics. I hope the fight happens. I say that it will be a great match. JMM hasn’t knocked down Pacman even once. JMM fought back to win in their first fight,- but “physical” damage wise, not convincing enough to say he beat Pacman. Remember he got knocked down 3 times. So it’s just score wise he got a draw. Let’s give both fighters a chance to prove themselves vefore we say one has beaten the other. One more fight will give us all the answers to our question: Who is better JMM or Pacman?
@kutonglupa: If you can pay me more than the $148,000+/yr I am making now, sure I’ll mow your lawn.
Oh, by the way, not all Flips are buying the Pac hype, you know? LOL. Pac is overrated, he is Arum’s biatch, a product of a Top Rank-HBO hype machine aided by Roach’s masterful cherry-picking.
Oscar did the right thing, give hope to people that too anxious to see the fight. I am impatient also and mad for what I read and heard for the last 6 months. I don’t even read the comments anymore, just the headlines. It’s good to know that they are talking and negotiating, hope they can make a deal this time. I’m a pacman fan but I don’t care who is better fighter between the two. I just like to watch the fight and find out so that I can rest in peace.
@KRAY, Lets see what happen if the fights push thru, it seems you figure out & thats exactly what will happen when this two boxer meet. Before the Hatton Pacquiao fight, what did FMJ sr. said , you will see a diiferent Hatton & pacquiao will go down. Let me asked you, FMJ sr. saw what happened to Hatton, thats why he made all this allegations, that Pcquiao is into something, to protect his son and even said i will not let my son, fight this PAcquiao. We all know how boastful & arrogant FMJ is, saying this fight with Pacquiao is easy, one dimensional, easy to hit, then why make it hard in agreeing a fight? Even your analysis is that PAcquiao will lose, so why all the demands, why the hesitation for the big Money, unless there’s another reason that’s why FMJ decided to retire.
What a moron! who on earth cares about the undercard just as long as we get to see Manny take on Floyd! It could be rocky v Mr T for all i care!
the excuses only come when floyd wins. its always somethin. b4 the matches they make boxers out to be the ones to beat floyd, but after the bout always excuses for why floyd wins. and this will be the same. the excuses will start b4 the match, after the match everyone will talk about how floyd has not boxed anyone and that he is afraid of martinez or paul williams. he always seems to be quote afraid of someone then when contracts are all set excuses start. manny is the so called best of the decade. p4p #1 in the world so no excuses after this one since floyd beatin #2 and #3 in the world wasnt anythin. dont wana hear any excuses after this one no matter who wins.
@Sure,
Well, the gloves would have made a little difference because Manny was hitting Morales with some clean shots and Morales was just shrugging them off. But, I’m not sure it would have made a difference in the final outcome (Morales did have a good chin so he MAY have been able to withstand the vaunted Reyes power anyway…).
In Morales 2, I thought Morales was outboxing Manny again until the 2nd half of the fight when he “ran out of gas”, but his face was rearranged in that fight…
In Morales 3, I think he fought the wrong fight because he tried to slug with Pac instead of boxing him (as though he had a point to prove).
Oooohh… the Pactards are shaking in their panties now. You have been asking for Floyd, now you’re getting him. Soon you gonna watch how he wipes the canvas with Congressman Roid’s face. LOL.
I really dont think the gloves would have made a difference in the Morales fight either. Morales was out boxing him anyway. Then Manny waited till Morales looked shot, which he did against Raheem. Morales stated he had troulble making 130 but Manny didnt want to move up in weight to fight Morales. We all saw what happen as morales was getting cramps. Then Morales moves up in weight fights David Diaz loks better at a higher weight but the crooked judges give it to Diaz. Thats because they knew Manny was coming up in weight to fight Diaz after Morales. So they didn’t want a healthier Morales fighting Manny.
@Bri,
Also, I agree that there should NEVER be excuses once a fight is signed. However, the excuses are already there for BOTH fighters:
If Floyd wins: Pac was too small, blood weakened him, outside distractions, etc.
If Pac wins: Floyd was fighting too many old fighters, Floyd was too old, Floyd was too inactive, etc.
Anyway you look at it, excuses will be made.
@Bri,
I think people think the pressure fight is Floyd’s weakness because it seems to be the only logical thing to do against a counterpuncher who is defensively oriented. Before the Mosley fight, my brother said that he thought Mosley should change it up and try to beat Floyd at his own game (boxing and countering, because he also had speed), and I found myself saying the same thing – “that’s not going to work, to beat Floyd you need to pressure him, although NO FIGHTER has been able to beat him with the pressure fight thus far…”
@Ulol,
Also, the ONLY fighter who has been “frozen” by Pac is Clottey, and it’s because that’s his nature (to block the opponents shots and then retaliate – he doesn’t really counterpunch). So to say somehow that arguably the best technical fighter in the sport will be frozen by Pac is virtually baseless, irresponsible, and an exaggeration (but, it is an opinion so I have to respect that).
It seems to me that everyone is excited by the “new” Pac who seems to have improved since moving up to fight Diaz, but let’s see what happens when he fights arguably the BEST fighter in the sport (althought, as I’ve stated in an earlier article, I still think he has something to prove against JMM because I’m not convinced that he has a good performance against him in a rubber match).
Floyd will win
pow pow pow pow! Floyd better get ready for that noise because that´s all he´s gonna hear when Manny unleashes wave after wave of punches to every part of his body and head until Floyd tosses the towel in. If Floyd starts sparring against 3 fighters at 1 time that might give him a sample of what he´s in store for, that´s if he´s not too sccccccaaared to actual step in the ring…
mosley was thowin punches but could not land any. round after round of that it demolorises you and you become extremely tired. same happened with marquez. people need to realize what manny has been doin to other boxers. he will not be able to do to floyd. preasure does not work on floyd dont know why people dont under stand that after all this time. what ever you believe if contracts are a done deal please ****************NO EXCUSES THIS TIME.*************
no he was small
was distracted
tests made him weak.
******** NO EXCUSES********
@Ulol – Let’s not exaggerate. Manny WILL NOT…i repeat…WILL NOT be throwing a dozen punches in a row. He is human…you know. Manny fights in a rhythm. He may throw 3-4 shots–a feint or two to set up his power shots–but,, not 12 punches in a row. He couldn’t even do that against a statue of a Joshua Clottey.
Pac leaves his right hand by side a lot too. You don’t think Floyd is going to pick up on that? I believe it will take Floyd a few rounds to figure out Manny’s rhythm and time him, then he will start landing that straight right hand the rest of the night. The jab will also be in full effect too, which was a very effective weapon for Cotto, against Manny, until he abandoned it.
And, I doubt, those will be “lady like punches coming from Floyd”, and the damage WILL show on Pac’s face. Floyd had SSM nervous to throw…a fighter whose NATURAL instinct is to trade punches. That was no accident. I’ve read the commentary of some who know the sport very well. And they all understand WHY SSM couldn’t get off. And they give Floyd full credit for that win.
@Sure,
That’s EXACTLY what I remember. In the in-ring postfight interview after Morales I, there was NO mention of any blood being taken (if I remember correctly). Pac’s ONLY concern was that he was duped into using Morales’ Winning gloves instead of his own Reyes gloves and that’s what he said was the difference in the fight.
@Ron Mcc – That’s just it. I think this “WAR” perception is overrated. This is not a street fight, or MMA, it’s boxing. You don’t have to KO your opponent to defeat him, nor do you have to hurt him. You just have to be more effective for 36 mins. Who has done that better than Floyd, over 12 rounds, in this era?
His stats don’t lie. He is the best at taking opportunities AWAY from his opponents, while at the same time creating his own. He has done this consistently, over the course of his career, against some of the best fighters in boxing, despite their stature, age, KO ratio, speed, stamina, etc. He does not accomplish this because he’s the fastest or strongest of them all. He’s been the smaller guy, in most of his fights, and was not always the fastest either (Judah was faster than Floyd). He does it with his RING SMARTS. It’s the intangible that fans of today just can’t seem to appreciate, because it’s “SO BORING.” They would much rather see a “WAR”.
He does not have to go to “WAR” with Manny to beat him. No one can say for sure, who will win. But, neither fighter will transform into something they are not, before this fight happens.
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I remeber he said he lost to morales cuz of the gloves.
below is a grwoning list of excuese we are helping the pacquiao fans with… please add to the list becasue here has to be atleast one thousand more…..
he was too small.
giving blood made him weak.
mayweather bullied him in the negotiations.
he was distracted by his political career.
he was simply tired of winning.
the lights above the ring were too bright.
So mayweather has had way bigger PPV numbers than Manny and Manny fans expect him to get the bigger share??
Im sure that manny will lose.
Pacquiao is my worst nightmare. I have to come up with my ultimate excuse. ‘A loss is worst than death’ – FMJ
@ kray
Wrong Kray, Pac can go 24 rounds with a lady like punches coming from Floyd. Seriously, you seems so sure that only Floyd knows how to land a punch forgetting that for every punch Floyd will throw, Pac will throw a dozen with equal precision as Floyd. Pacs aggression and stamina will cause Floyd to freeze like a skunk in the middle of the highway.
@kray I agree he could cut him up but after watching him get hit by bigger punchers I just don’t think mayweather will hurt him enough to keep pac off of him , Tommy Hearns was supposed to do that to Ray Leonard sometimes everyone has the opponent that has their number looking at guys like Arturro Gatti -R.I.P and Diego Corrales fight bloody and give it their all I just don’t see Mayweather up for a war a boxing decision I concede he may get but no way his punch should intimidate a legit boxer his mouth will meet up with his heart which i don’t question just ready to see two prime guys get it on in a match, Martinez Paul Williams just had a good one movement skill and hard shots!!!!
@Ron Mcc – If a blood test can “weaken” Pac Man, so can 12 rounds filled with precision counters. Did you see just the minimal amount of work Clottey put in, with only 108 punches landed, and the damage done to Pac’s face? Mayweather can more than double that. A stoppage could occur just based on the damage, not just a KO.
@CHANA’S IMAGINATION hait to break it to you but the only thin that decides who has the better split is who better revenue in his matches. floyd made more by himself with the mosley match then the entire manny clottey event made. hard to say anythin about that. hope match is made. it will be fun.
Floyd did not hurt J.M.M a small fighter moving up came in 2 pounds over and paid 600k then had no punch to knock out Mosley and Mosley was fine after how is anyone afraid he can stop pac man who will wobble him and make him do the Clottey convincing someone he is great is a hoax he is good but growing up watching the best fight the best it was not about wwe style talk and no fight win by decision if you can survive bit no way he can hurt pac-man.
Wait, isn’t this the same guy who said these two contradicting statements about Pacquiao?
“I just didn’t care. I didn’t care if he was hitting me because I couldn’t do anything about it. Luckily he doesn’t hit hard. Obviously, if he would’ve hit hard, he would have knocked me out with no problem.”
“I’m saying to myself, “Wow. Those Mosley punches, those Vargas punches and those Pacquiao punches all felt the same.”
Sorry, but as much as I’d love to see Pac and Floyd fight, I’d rather wait for an official press conference statement before I can believe what comes out of this guy’s mouth, same with A(ss)rum.
If its true that Oscar D.H. said that then that’s good news. The negotiation last year one of Manny’s Advisor had a big mouth yapping to the press and creating alot of tension. Basically “loose lips sinks ships” big mouth and creatiing accusations. Well it looks like nobody from Manny’s camp is saying a word this time because they know who to put a “gag order” on that guy now.
hoping this fight really comes to tuition so we can finally see who really the p4p fighter is, so if pbf wins all pac fans should bow down to floyd, and vice versa with all the floyd fans out there. really just hoping this fight really goes through!
I think Clottey Pacquiao was the fixed fight! Why Clottey he had just lost and about to retire, no enforced blood test, easy big payday. I believe that fight was fixed! Pacquiao never tryed to hurt him! 1200 punches and only 200 land for pacman. Question that! The last round Freddy Roach tell Pacquiao to stay on him the last three minutes risking the fight? FIXED
where is your reply about pbf and mosely ididnt say anything about pac and clottey that fight stunk too
It’s a conspiracy between Golden Boy and Mayweather team to leak out info to jeopardize the negotiation so that the fight don’t happen…they’re just too scared to fight Pacquiao.
@Rokko, Clottey did his job when he agreed not to fight back in order to collect his purse. He hurt Pacquiao more than he was supposed to and Arum was trying to sue him for breach of contract. Clottey threw 30 measely punches and put Manny in the hospital for a night.
Manny looked like he lost that fight and only took 30 punches.
Clottey threw 30 punches, and landed every single one of them.
I DON’T EVER BELIEVE THAT THE MATCH BETWEEN PACMAN AND FLOYD WOULD PUSH THROUGH IF THE PRIZE POT WOULD GO BEYOND 50/50 IN FAVOR OF FLOYD. THE BOTTOMLINE, MANNY PACQUIAO SHOULD GET THE BIGGER SHARE BECAUSE OF TREMENDOUS ACHIEVEMENT IN BOXING COMPARE TO MAYWEATHER. HE (MAYWEATHER)SHOULD SOMEHOW BE CONSIDERED A CHALLENGER, BECAUSE THE CURRENT RECOGNIZED FIGHTER OF THE YEAR AND FIGHTER OF THE DECADE, MULTIPLE TITLE BELTS IN DIFFERENT WEIGHT DIVISIONS, NUMEROUS ACHIEVEMENT AWARDS AND THE RECOGNIZED NO.1 POUND FOR POUND IN THE WORLD TODAY IS MANNY PACQUIAO NOT MAYWEAHER. HOWEVER, IF MAYWEATHER STILL INSISTS THAT HE CLAIMS THE LION’S SHARE, SHAME ON HIM. I BELIEVE, HONESTLY, MANNY PACQUIAO WILL SURELY DECLINE AS A RESULT OF UNFAIR SPLIT IN POT MONEY. THANKS IF HE ACCEPTS THE 50/50 SPLIT. IN MY OPINION THE AGGRIEVED PARTY IS STILL MANNY PACQUIAO TO A 50/50 SHARING RATIO. BORING FIGHT VS EXCITING FIGHT. THE CHALLENGER ALWAYS COMES FIRST INTO THE RING AND THAT IS THE TRADITIONAL PRACTICE EVERSINCE THE WORLD BBEGUN. MAYWEATHER SHOULD COME FIRST, THE CHALLENGER WAITING TO CHALLENGE THE REAL CHAMPION OF THE WORLD WHO IS MANNY PACQUIAO.
Mr. Romero, I completely agree. Manny Pacquiao will take a severe, bloody, cut ridden beating from round 2 through stoppage. Pacquiao will NOT see round 12. Roach will throw in the towel to stop the fight due to the severe swelling and cuts that Pacquiao will endure!!!
MAKE IT HAPPEN………….
mr romero alot of people did look stupid when pbf got in the ring with mosely.stupid because mosely owns part of golden boy promotions.he is floyds promoter. he showed his skills in round two then backed off .he did his job and made pbf look good with ppv buys.the true fans that paid for that fight were cheated. here are your cheaters pbf mosely and oscar, by the way mosely is managing partner west coast for gbp google it if you dont believe
If you all think Mayweather is gonna ko pac Then why the hell wont Mayweather fight him . It should be 50/50 Pac holds 1 belt Matweather the other two ..So who enters the ring first??
You say Manny was in a hurry to fight Clottey?
Are you forgetting he needed to commit to a fight ASAP because he was RUNNING FOR CONGRESS?
Typical biased moron…dont let the facts get in the way of your moronic writing.
I DON’T EVER BELIEVE THAT THE MATCH BETWEEN PACMAN AND FLOYD WOULD PUSH THROUGH IF THE PRIZE POT WOULD GO BEYOND 50/50 IN FAVOR OF FLOYD. THE BOTTOMLINE, MANNY PACQUIAO SHOULD GET THE BIGGER SHARE BECAUSE OF TREMENDOUS ACHIEVEMENT IN BOXING COMPARE TO MAYWEATHER. HE (MAYWEATHER)SHOULD SOMEHOW BE CONSIDERED A CHALLENGER, BECAUSE THE CURRENT RECOGNIZED FIGHTER OF THE YEAR AND FIGHTER OF THE DECADE, MULTIPLE TITLE BELTS IN DIFFERENT WEIGTH DIVISIONS AND NUMEROUS ACHIEVEMENT AWARDS AND THE RECOGNIZED NO.1 POUND FOR POUND IN THE WORLD TODAY IS MANNY PACQUIAO NOT MAYWEAHER. HOWEVER IF MAYWEATHER STILL INSISTS THAT HE CLAIMS THE LION’S SHARE, SHAME ON HIM. I BELIEVE HONESTLY MANNY PACQUIAO WILL SURELY DECLINE AS A RESULT OF UNFAIR SPLIT IN POT MONEY. THANKS IF HE ACCEPTS THE 50/50 SPLIT. IN MY OPINION THE AGGRIEVED PARTY IS STILL MANNY PACQUIAO TO A 50/50 SHARING RATIO.
This is the first fight Floyd is genuinely concerned about losing and it´s debatable whether he will sign on the dotted line, if you already have the fight lost mentally you might as well not lace em up and Floyd´s behaviour is text book for losing before the bell rings, either way I want to see the fight.
JUDGE YOU ARE 100% RIGHT. DUCKWEATHER WILL TRY TO PULL ANYTHING AT THIS TIME , IT WILL GO SOMETHING LIKE THIS: 1- BIGGER SPLIT 2- RANDOM BLOOD TESTING UP TO THE DAY OF THE FIGHT 3- RETIREMENT.
JUDGE YOU ARE 100% RIGHT. DUCKWEATHER WILL TRY TO PULL ANYTHING AT THIS TIME , IT WILL GO SOMETHING LIKE THIS: 1- BIGGER SPLIT 2- RANDOM BLOOD TESTING UP TO THE DAY OF THE FIGHT 3- RETIREMENT AND SO ON ….
mr. romero……..you sound mighty dumb when you say may will ko pac. with all his one sided fights he hasn,t ko’d any of those opponents. so please!
you sure about that one romero? you really think so?
Lets just hope the fight will indeed push thru. A lot has already been said, accusations thrown left and right. It’s enough to give anybody a headache. It sure would be interesting what demands Mayweather has to step in the ring with Pacquiao. The common motion here at BN24 is he’s already made up his mind to retire again rather than face Pac. Let’s wait and see.
Finger’s crossed
DUCKWEATHER WILL SURELY FIND THE PERFECT EXCUSE…….
PLEASE BE TRUE