Floyd Mayweather: Three fights from greatness?
April 16th, 2010
by Steve Mackay: Floyd Mayweather Jr, love him or hate him, everyone has an opinion on him. That is why he is such a blockbuster pay per view attraction, but is he just three fights away from being viewed as the greatest of all time? The three fights would, of course, are the “Sugar” Shane Mosley, which I see being a really competitive fight due to Shane’s size and speed but I just can’t see past Floyd on this one, the 2nd fight would be against Manny Pacquiao, if they can get over the problems with Bob Arum and drug testing (which I think is a good idea).
Agreed, it wasn’t much but he still hit him. The last bout which I think would seal his legacy would in my view be the hardest of his career is Paul Williams, with his height and Pacquiao-like work rate. I honestly think Mayweather would struggle big time in this bout and this honestly would be a pick em fight but let’s say he wins would that be enough in these 3 fights to call himself the greatest of all time?
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Mayweather’s already an all-time great but these three fights if all happen would put mayweather over the top. i see him beating mosley,and pacquiao but paul williams would pose alot of problems with his height, reach and work rate but if anyone in the fight game could get past all that it would be mayweather… i’ve watched alot of paul williams fights and trust mayweather would pose many many problems for him with his speed, defense and counter punching ability…. thats a fight i really think mayweather would win given his boxing ability and “GOD GIFTED”(LOL jus had to put that in there) ABILITY to OUT THINK his opponents… i think both fighters would be in deep waters if they fought each other more so for Paul if they fight at 147 instead of 154 cause he jus might drain himself jus to get an opportunity of a lifetime against Floyd if Floyd beats both Mosley and Pacquiao
@Jones We all like who we like and that’s ok, But in the modern day of technology it’s pretty hard to BS. I you follow the sport or even take a trip to youtube you would see that in Mosley’s VS Vargas post fight interview Mosley was asked bout fighting Mayweathe, Mosley stuttered and made several excuses. saying he wants to take a vacation there other people Mayweather can fight His tooth is loose he went on and on, In that same Video in an Earlier post fight interview with Mayweather, Mayweather stated that he heard Mosley & Oscar was coming down to 147 and would love an opportunity to fight both of them. Here is the link you can see for your self http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPJhvYXKZK8
If there is one thing I learned from my old man, never argue with a fool and never stoop to his level. Nazim and Shane exude class and character. Roger and Floyd X’2 are exactly the opposite. People in glas houses should never throw stones and the Feathered family does just that but rather than throw stones back at them Nazim just ducked and let them return directly to the Feathered Camp. See how quickly the Feathered Camp stopped talking about steroids? How dare they try to discredit other people’s hardwork? Do they truly believe that they can go around slandering people’s accomplishments or do they believe that Poultry Boy Fraud is the only boxer who has talent and/or works very hard. I really believe that his lack of tough fights will cost him dearly. Tough fights get you ready for tougher fights not picking on older or smaller guys like Poultry Boy has since he moved to 147. GREAT JOB NAZIM. THE FEATHERS (as in chicken feathers) HAVE TRIED SO HARD TO GET UNDER MOSLEY AND NAZIM’S SKIN TO NO AVAIL. WHEN THE FIGHT STARTS AND HE REALIZES THAT MOSLEY IS ON A MISSION, HE WILL HAVE TO CRANK IT UP OR HE WILL GET CRACKED DOWN AND OUT! LIKE ROY JONES HE HAS WASTED TOO MUCH OF HIS PRIME NOT FACING THE VERY BEST. THEREFORE HE CAN’T BE CONSIDERED UPPER ECHELON OF THE GREATS BUT YES HE CAN BE HOF.
The answer is no. Even if Floyd would beat all 3 fights he could not get close to being the greatest of all time. He would never get past Julio Cesar Chavez for instance. Floyd would be undefeated for 43 fights if he would win all 3 fights. Julio Cesar Chavez was undefeated for 90 fights before getting his first loss. That’s more than twice the achievements that Floyd has accomplished. Floyd also has a boring style while Chavez was very exciting. And Julio Cesar Chavez is not considered to be the greatest of all time although he’s probably in the top 10. How on earth could Floyd even be considered the greatest of all time?
@kray…well said and I agree….although IMO manny has the slight edge right now. If floyd they retire without fighting one another, manny I think would be the greatest of this era based off of hsi accomplishments.
@mayvader- If the GOAT was judged on likabilty and global marketability…yes Manny would eventually be ranked high on that list…not above Ali…but high. However, it is not and he is not the GOAT, when it comes to boxing. Sugar Ray Robinson is considered the GOAT, and neither PBF, nor Manny will ever match his accomplishments, in BOXING. Hell, even Ali said Robinson was “the man”. Neither Manny nor Floyd will be in this sport long enough to catch Robinson. The title of GOAT does not and should not belong to either of them. However, the title “Greatest of this Era” is appropriate, and still up for grabs, IMO.
@jaysmooth what the hell? Carlos Baldomir is not a hall of effin famer dude! He beat zab judah and a terribly faded arturo gatti….thats it! He was tough dude with rudimentary skills, average power, and next to no hand speed. He was a great story of a huge underdog beating the odds twice and being able to fight against the best fighter in the world at that time floyd mayweather. But hall of famer? I cant even express how incredulous that sounds. I feel like you just told me Obama is not black and are fervantly standing by that opinion. Thats how incredulous that statement is. if baldo is going to the hall then we gotta send ricardo mayorga, cory spinx and alfonzo gomez. I mean all those guys are arguably better fighters and would have beaten carlos baldomir and they all got their big break off of 2 successive upsets like baldomir did.
Three fights from greatness?
Greatness?
Is that what Manny Pacquiao has right now?
and Floyd Mayweather Jr is not yet close to that.
Time Magazine, Ring Magazine…Top 100 most influential up there with the US President and other athletes and personalities. Aspiring politician (once defeated) trying his best to win to be able to serve his people better…his people….Does Floyd Mayweather have “PEOPLE”? Millons of people? Sure thing that Floyd have is Millions of people who hates him.
You don’t say w/ your own mouth that you are the greatest…common people will know…they will be the one to call a great man, you don’t claim greatness…you prove it w/ your actions…not WORDS.
I agree w/ brother Paul Maywheather is diffently a first rate PUNK w/ no respect for his sport. I believe in carma and someday he’ll get his. He has no respect his country, money or family values. All though he may never lose a fight is still the BIGGEST loser of ALL!!!
@jelani – I’m aware that styles make fights. As I said, skills win fights, not brute strength. That why fights are judged on a combination of ring generalship, effective agression, and clean punching. It’s not arm wrestling…it’s BOXING. I did not say the most talented fighter always wins either. It’s the fighters who puts HIS package (of skills) together the best on a given night.
sorry I meant 4 not 34….typin too fast
@kray you’re oversimplifying. Styles make fights. Not necessarily skills vs strength or speed vs power. Is not zab judah a more skilled fightr than baldomir? Yet carlos won. How about Ali-frazier 1. Need more? Sonny liston and floyd patterson. Mayorga forrest, leonard duran 1, mayweather castillo 1 ( if you think floyd won theres no hope for you), chavez vs a few guys, Kostya tyszu judah, ect…
@jelani – 34 HOF locks? Provide that list please. Could ANY of those HOF locks (who fought at or around 130) have beaten Floyd at 130? Nope. As far as those “locks” he fought at WW…ODLH and Hatton already lost to Floyd. Cotto, especially pre-Margacheato, would, most likely, lose to Floyd (@ 147).
@jelani – 34 HOF locks? Provide that list please. Could ANY of those HOF locks have beaten Floyd at 130? Nope.
@Martinez-Well if he fights Pac, won’t he fighting another blown up LW? Or was Pac just an oversized LW, draining down from WW?
@alvin – How many times must you be shown that brute strength is not what wins boxing matches, SKILLS does?
Here tonight we have 2 examples Bute vs Miranda (considered the bigger puncher). Bute (the more SKILLED fighter) caught Miranda with a well timed uppercut. Martinez vs Pavlik (the bigger, stronger man, and the bigger puncher). Martinez SCHOOLED Pavlik, busting both of his eyes and basically dominating him. The judges cards were not even close.
Ward victory over Kessler (the bigger puncher) is another example. Direll’s victory over Abraham (the bigger puncher) is yet another example.
If SSM does not win on brute strength, on May 1, neither will Pacquiao. SSM is physically stronger than both Floyd and Manny.
As I see it between Mayweather vs Pacquiao in the future, Pacquiao will kill Mayweather in the right. Just with brute force. He’ll be so coward to go on that He’ll intentionally fake an injury just to stop the fight. and later on lean on it after the post fight interviews that he is just injured and so on. Maybe a groin injury will do for his excuse will do. LOL
@Ash – Regarding the fighters you claim Floyd “convieniently forgot to fight”.
Kostya Tzu – He was not really in his prime when Floyd was at 140. Hell, he fought (and beat) Floyd’s uncle Roger, in his heyday. Floyd would not have gotten much credit for that victory, had he won. Hatton showed how much Tzu was past his prime, when he defeated him.
ODLH (prime) – Floyd called ODLH (and SSM) out since he was at LW. It was his dream to get a fight with ODLH. Also, when he got up to WW, he asked Arum to set up a megafight with ODLH, and Arum basically told him it ain’t gonna happen. After Floyd left Top Rank, he approached ODLH himself and made the deal.
Margarito- Floyd was offered $8 mil, by Arum, to fight Margarito. He was ok with the offer, and also wanted $10 mil or so, to fight Cotto too (Arum would only offer $7 mil). Anyway, another promotional company comes along and offers Floyd slightly more to fight Baldomir (the ring magazine, lineal, and WBA champion). So, of course he took the TITLE fight. Baldomir had about 12 losses, arguably, because he had to work full-time and could not train properly, earlier in his career. However, before Floyd beat him, Baldomir had an 8-year win streak.
Forest and Wright- When was Floyd EVER in the same weight class as these guys? And what did they bring to the table…money wise? Nothing for him to prove here…
SSM (prime) – Floyd has been calling SSM out for years. So, SSM had PLENTY of chances, in his PRIME. SSM decided to chase ODLH instead and test his might against fighters at 154.
PacMan – Manny was approached by Floyd, did not like the terms, and decided to fight Clottey instead. You know the story…
PW – Firstly, PW is not a WW. Secondly, what legacy has PW created that would require Floyd to fight him? Yeah, he’s big and dangerous…OK…and? Neither SSM, nor Manny, nor Cotto, etc, want to fight him either. What else does he bring to the table…money wise? Thirdly, they have the same representation–Haymon. If they HAD to play that card they would. But, there is no need for either fighter to, right now.
I am so sick of hearing about FMJ. He is not one of the greats. He’s not the best ever. He’s not even p4p #1 right now, wether you like it or not. He’s never beat anyone worth mentioning except an old Oscar delahoya. In his prime de la hoya would have left hooked mayweathers mouth out of the ring. In Oscars day he beat chavez, whiticker, vargas, camacho, and countless others. He faught the best fighters around trinidad, mosley, and even stepped up to fight hopkins (a bold but stupid move). Floyyd has not faught ANYBODY, he is no Champion, he will not be remembered even if he goes undefeated.
Floyyd is the queen of the 10 point must system, take that away and make him try and beat someone and many of his fights would have turned out different. I have no repsect for the man or his family. He is a first class degenerate gambler and loser. And, withing 10 years of his retirement he will be broke, in jail, or both. If you defend or patronize this man you are a loser too. He is no Sugar Ray, hes not even a De la Hoya
first of all,i’m not a paquoao fan,but he’s ok by me…nor a floyd fan,in fact i hate the guy’s guts…i’m just a regular boxing fan.but,jeeez,some of these fans here really take it to the extreme.@’That guy yeah that one’ and @’dre00′,stop playing with lil’ floyd’s nuts for a second,will ya?you’re all being manipulated by the guy.all this badass stuff from lil’ floyd is just a show…people who like him pay up to see his fights and people who hate him also pay up but for a diffrenet reason,to see his ass handed to him.either way li’l floys wins…now who’s the loser here?i ain’t the one with lil floyd’s nuts in my hands.wake up homies.
He’ll never be the greatest. Way too boring.
No chance…. Amir Khan is great not PBF ha ha ha
For me the greatest fighters come out of there comfort zones ,
Although floyd is a defensive genius , he hasn’t really had me on the edge of my seat too much .
I think at lightweight , duran would have mauled his ass.
Ray Leonard had more to his game & pre- retina tears & coke would have beaten floyd.
If he beats mosley & pacquio then maybe top 20 off all time but far from being one of the truly exciting fighters ever.
Pacquiao’s already there GREATNESS Floyd got three more an old man is next who he ducked when he was in his prime it’ll be funny if he get whooped by him
@Joe. Baldomir had something like a dozen losses on his record when he fought Mayweather, he was too slow of foot and hand, and blatently had no chance!
I’ve never said for Mayweather to fight this or that boxer, but seeing as you’ve mentioned it, here goes: Kostya Tszyu, a prime Dela Hoya, Margarito, Vernon Forrest, Winky Wright, a prime Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao and Paul Williams, are all boxers that Mayweather has conviently foregotten to fight.
One thing I do agree with you, is about Floyd’s trash talking, talking the talk in order to make up for the lack of walk. With a style like Mayweather’s, it’s no wonder he talks so much sh#t, people would barely notice him if it weren’t for his skill of self promotion.
I see Mayweather beating Mosely and Pacman. The problem with fighting Williams is not only the work rate but Mayweather would not be able to handle getting beat on for 12 rounds. Mayweather gives up the shoulder and rolls with it, but its also the shoulder he jabs with. Williams would start out just punching to make contact. Arms, shoulder, body, heasd whatever. Mayweather would not be able to fight for 12 rounds. He can’t pot shot a guy like Paul Williams
I’ve said this and will say it again. Floyd CANNOT be the greatest fighter of all time. He just can’t. He is not born or gifted to be one. The only gift he has is his big and dirty mouth, his big head and pride for accomplishing NOTHING. His zero record is a sham. Come May 1st, Shane will not only teach him the art of boxing but Floyd will be humbled and tamed like a Champize.
Now if he can do that he will obtain greatness
I agree with the writer’s ascessment of how Floyd can obtain the status of greatness in everyone’s mind. He’ll easily beat Mosley and also Pacquoia. But unlike the writer I really don’t see any problem with him beating Paul Williams. Yes..Paul has a huge workrate each round but his defense is lacking. A big workrate don’t count for sh*t if you ain’t hitting nothing but arms, elbows and shoulders. I see Floyd beating Paul Williams more easily than Leanard beat Hearns. I hope Floyd beats Pacman next and then Williams and then retire for good…..undefeated.
He would be in that bracket of the truly special ones, at the moment he is at about Hagler level, winning these 3 bouts would put him in the top group of Robinson, Ali and Leonard. I also think he should fight Cotto, who is not the same but still is one of this generations best so needs to be on his resume, then some guys who may be great in the future, say Berto, followed by Bradley and Alexander, who should have built up names in the 3/4 years by the time he reaches them, then retire with a claim to be the greatest, if he wins of course.
What the hell you mentioned P. Williams? He is fighting at light middleweight and middleweight divisions and he is no longer the top fighter having been beaten by Sergio Martinez.
Being a chicken hearted, Floyd Mayweather has already committed not fight Williams as Floydie thinks Paul is too tall and too big for him to a have a chance to hit.
Who have Pac beat in their prime?
The greatest of all time doesent exist in boxing. There is no way to calculate it! There is only the greatest of a particular generation.
@David Anderson
I’m guessing you’re a Pacman Fan but Floyd record is just as great as any fighter of our time. Floyd could also go after everyone leftovers but whats the point in fighting shot and exposed fighters. You can’t compare who the old fighters fought to the fighters now. Cause in their time they had a lot of great fighters to chose from which make great fights. Fighting at this point Floyd is the only Great fighter I see. In my opinion.
I highly doubt anyone will ever become as great as Sugar Ray Robinson. He is number 1 and will stay that way indefinitely! No Floyd, No Ali, No Pac, No Smokin Joe… Robinson fought at Pro, 200 times and won 175! His Amateur career was 85-0 with 69 by KO!!! Ali even called Robinson, “The king, the master, my idol”. Sugar Ray Leonard said, “Someone once said there was a comparison between me Sugar Ray Leonard and Sugar Ray Robinson. Believe me, there’s no comparison. Sugar Ray Robinson was the greatest”…NOW U SEE!!! POUND 4 POUND, GREATEST OF ALL TIME is Sugar Ray Robinson!!! Stop the non sense of who was the best. Let it go… Its been carved in stone.
Markus says:
April 16, 2010 at 7:27 pm
Manny has 7 world titles, but check what kind of world titles they are.
2 WBC
2 WBO
1 Ring
1 WBA
1 IBF
Now Floyd has 6 world tites, check what kind they are:
5 WBC
1 IBF
Floyd never even won a vacant title, and only went for WBC belts, he only got the IBF one cuz Zab had it right after losing the WBC one to baldomir (which floyd grabbed that WBC one right after anyway).
Now why in the hell would Manny have all these random ABC belts while Floyd has only WBC belts? Exactly. Because throughout manny’s career they just chose the person in the weight division who posed the least amount of threat (example: david diaz, ricky hatton, cotto). The proof is in the pudding pac fans, your boys been a fraud the whole time.
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I never even looked at it like that but you are exactly right.
@Mansterrr: I bet you 100 dollars.
If i lose, send me your Mailing address and i will wire you the money. bet me
Mansterrr says:
April 16, 2010 at 7:01 pm
The truth of the matter is, we’re the only ones talking about this fight here. Casual fans are not talking about it and I’m not making this up. Here in New York today, only the Daily News is talking and guess what? It’s all about Mosley, Conte and the Balco scandal. Casual fans are so turn off to watch this fight specially everyone knows how boring a Mayweather fight to watch. Here in New York, people and papers are talking more on Cotto-Foreman fight, which is not a surprise since both have fan base here, but the thing is, it is still a long way to go compared to Mayweather-Mosley fight.
I will not be surprise if the May-Mos will be a stinker because it don’t attract casual fans. I hope I’m wrong but I’m sure I will still watch this fight FOR FREE after a week.
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Just because you arent talking about it doesnt mean you are not interested. Come fight night lets see how many people tune it. I bet it make 2 million PPVs.
To all the idiots who try to use weight and age to say a fighter hasnt fought anyone good.
If you want to use this to jusde if Floyd has fought the best then why the heck are the boxing analysist voting these individuals so high on the P4P list or among the best in their weight division. We have heard the saying ” This is going to be Floyds toughest competetion” or he is going to be out boxed or lose this match. Yet, he put on a clinic and make an undefeated Champion who reign supreme in his division for more than 4 years (Hatton). Ok, he came up 5 lbs to 145 to fight welterweight. This is typically a weight that Hatton weighs and trains with on a regular. So, all he was doing was boxing at his regular everyday weight which could have been a benefit for him. We heard the things like he made a big mistake by agreeing to fight a bigger more experienced Osacar De La HOya how had nothing to loose and everything to game if he beat the Undefeated Mayweather. Yet, he beat Oscar you can say , ” Oh the judges gave Floyd that win all you want but if you are a real boxing Fan you will know Oscar always fall behind earlier to go boxer. Check out the Trinadad fight same thing happen. He heard this against Diego Corrales who was undefeated as well, we heard it against Carlos Baldimoir, it was said against the great Genaro Hernandez (HOFer). He heard it against Zap Judah who some thought was faster than Floyd and everyone knew he had more power than Floyd. We have heard these things off and on for the past 8-10 years of his career yet he manage to make his opponents look amateur. Hector Comacho fought is still fighting andd he is 47 and he is still betting younger but no one said he is too be fighing these youngs fighters. Julio Cesar Chavez was 35 when he fought Oscar De La HOya in 1998 but no one complained about Oscar being 2 lbs heavier than him or Oscar was young and Chavez was old. Its just silly to sit here and try to find ways to de-credit Floyds accomplishments.
You people are the ones that is giving Manny all this glory for be a Giant Killer for fighting bigger guys. But, if he loses to a Floyd or anyone bigger than him now he was too small.
@pongiipongii
I agree with you. Even if Floyd beat Manny it should be a trilogy. Best of 3. Coz we know his win will be unconvincing. But if Pacquiao wins it will be annihilation of the opponent
@I am The Greatest
You speak like the crackhead Mayweather. Are you one of them? HA ha ha ha!
@ kray
It is wrong to assume right away that the HOFs beaten by Manny will be beaten by PBF as style make fights. Also, Pac made those fighters quit thats why it appears that they were past their prime. marquez still won twice after the bout. As for what PBF did to JMM, he fought him 2 division higher than he is the best at and still came fight night 2lbs higher. Shame Man.
As for PW, he might be the beast but he’s still have a “1″ in his resume. Unless you might suggest that all those labelled as the best have a mark on their losses as they agreed to fight the best challenger available. Calzaghe too is undefeated but is he the greatest? Nah man.
Im also a bit confused, who again the top LW, WW, MW has been calling out all this time???? who? PBF? Is it Pac?? nuff said. Bounz.
How fast you forgot that Pacquiao got a lot of beating from Cotto and he never runs away from it. This proves only if Mayweather manages hitting Pacquiao, the latter will tackle the punches with ease. But the problem, the more you hit Pacquiao, how fast he comes back for more! Do you think Mayweather famous glass chin and shoulder can manage the hundreds of punches hitting him like a torpedo?
Nahhh… Floyd Jr. can never be one of the greats unless he’s brave to fight PacMan w/o his BS random and he should beat him in a triology fights.
@jelani – If Cotto wins against Foreman, will Manny “cap out” then? Nope. He will probably then move up to compete for an “illustrious” 8th title.
As far as Floyd fighting Williams, PW is a problem for anybody @ WW, cause he’s a freak of nature. The guy was, arguably, ducked by Kelly Pavlik and whipped Winky Wright, for goodness sakes! He’s a beast. PW brings NOTHING to the table except a lot of risk w/ no suitable reward. Tell me how that is a matchup, that’s GOOD for boxing. I would agree that any permutation of SSM, PAC, and PBF is GOOD for boxing.
Manny fought a few HOF fighters, but, weren’t some of those guys either coming off losses or out of their primes? Also, NONE of those fighters would beat PBF, if they fought him in or around those same weight classes. Hell, Morales beat Manny, then got whipped by a slick boxer (Zahir Raheem) in his next fight. I’m not saying PBF is the GOAT, I’m just saying that PBF is better than ALL of Manny’s HOF bound opponents. So, I’m not overly impressed with Manny’s resume either. Even in Manny’s second fight w/ JMM, the commentators were saying JMM was past his prime…and JMM, arguably, WON.
I’m a PAC fan.. But if Floyd beat shane, n then beat mah boy PAC, n finish he’s career beating paul Williams.. Def he can get mah respect…. I’m a boxing fan.. Spcialy! PAC fan.. N I ain’t no haterrrrrrrrr..
I mean real talk here fellas…does anyone here see floyd beating alexis arguello or aaron pryor (pre coke? I don’t. That makes him at least3rd all time at his best weight of 130 pounds. Thats the very best i can giv ehim and thats sacrificing alot. Personally I think salvador sanchez would have koed pretty boy floyd as well.
Yuo guys are eatin tard cookies!Floyd has not fought the type of competition you need to be considered a great. Manny has. Shane has (though not to the extent of pacman),. Thats number one. Number 2. Ali fought some hall of fame heavies. Frazier, Norton , Foreman, Holmes. Amazing fighters all of them. Styles make fights and frazier had the perfect style for fighting Ali. Still he won 2 of 3 after missing his 3 prime years. Luvboxing if you really did love boxing you would know a lil more about it. be student of the game you wanna talk about. Ali is an all time great with an all time greats resume. Floyd is an undefeated fighter with a poorer track record than roy jones jr. All time rank somwhere between 80 and 90 right along with Roy jones.
I don’t care what people say but in my opinion Floyd is one of the best fighters in this era but he has a couple more fights to seal the deal as one of the greatest fighters ever but I feel he will accomplish that. People hate on this man so much that it’s annoying because we all know what the haters are going to say. Just like Floyd said, when he beats a fighter that people wanted him to fight they make up excuses, Mosley is a great fighter and I feel he can beat Manny if they fought so why do people look past him. If Floyd beats him I don’t know why Floyd wouldn’t be ahead of Manny as P4P best because Manny fought Clottey and that fight was horrible. The only fight that really impressed me was when Manny beat Miguel Cotto because Oscar wasn’t even in a comfortable weight class against Manny and Hatton wasn’t even listening to his trainer so he beat himself and plus Floyd already beat them… It doesn’t matter how bad Manny beat them better then Floyd because Floyd and Manny are two different fighters with two different styles which Manny takes too many chances but Floyd takes his time… Floyd is well rounded and can adapt to any fighter and that’s what makes him so great against any fighter… He will be an all-time great
If Pac Man even considers fighting Williams he is an idiot. Williams would destroy Pac Man. Not because he is a better fighter, but because of his freakish size.
It is not a fair fight due to that.
Anyone who claims Ali is the greatest and then does not give credit to Mayweather is an idiot. If anyone is an overrated boxer, it is Ali. He was WAY more brash than Mayweather could ever dream of. Ali cannot be considered the GOAT unless you think Joe Frazier is #2. Frazier was just as good or better than Ali and that was proven in all three of their fights.
I laugh continually at how Ali is praised so highly now. Ali was great, but people are smoking something if they think he is the GOAT.
By the way kray aint no double standards. name some hall of famers floyd has fought. ok now name some futre hall of famers pacman has fought. Thats why manny ranks higher all time, at least for now. Boxing is trial by fire baby. Get in with the best or fall in line like the rest.
C’mon kray reallly? Manny is 7 division champ and is fighting 9 wieght classes above his original weight. he has to cap out somewhere. Paul Williams does fight at welter and hasnt recently because he cant secure a fight there, Everybodys ducking him not just floyd. Hes a matchup nightmare but so was corrales and floyd fought him. With williams its the high work rate that scares floyd. Watch his fisrt fight and first loss against castillo.
Yeah KING i said it! Floyd doesn’t break my top 75. he doesnt deserve it. To be an ALL time great you have to have fought somebody. Any NFL team will make a college team look dumb. Floyds level of competition is subpar. And for all those out there saying there aint no one for him to fight and making excuses for him, great fighters find someone to fight. There was mosely when he was younger, De la hoya when he was younger and still relevant. Theres Paul Williams, Manny pacman, He coulda fought a prime Kostya Tsyzu, Everyone knows he ducked margarito before shane exposed him,I could go on but i mean can you name someone floyd has fought that was a top tier fighter in his prime? Exactly, the guys that are at the top of my list are guys that appeared in multiple bouts with other hall of fame fighters. guys that pushed themselves to levels no one expected them to. Floyd is a dissapointment. He might have been one of those greats but of course he opted to have his best opposition be Arturo gatti and Carlos Baldimir. just my opinion.
Well…if he defeats both SSM and Manny we know who won’t be considered the best…neither of those guys. If he goes on to defeat PW, even better. But, PW is not a WW and SSM and Pac don’t want to fight PW either. So, why is PW even in the discussion? Evidently, Floyd is so good and has such a good chance of spanking both Manny and SSM, that people have to line up MW’s for him to fight–arguably, one of the most dangerous MW’s, at that. But, it’s ok for Manny to turn down a fight w/ Yuri Foreman, because he was “too tall”, SSM because, he was “too good”, Mayweather because, “Floyd is not the commission”. This double standard is, ridiculously, obvious. But, if PW was the man Floyd had to go through to get the proverbial, “pot of gold”, best believe he would be in the ring with him. But, as it stands, PW brings NOTHING to the table, and he won’t for quite some time.
Anyone who thinks that Floyd is #1p4p ever should look up a man named Sugar Ray Robinson, ud hav to b completely blind or ignorant to say that Floyd outdoes him in the rankings. Hell even Roger Mayweather admits no one will ever beat Ray Robinson in the rankings!. Even after that uv got legendary fighters like Henry Armstrong, Joe Louis, Willie Pep, Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard. Theres alot of great boxers i have yet to see but Id probli put Floyd somewhere in top 20, but he would b considered extremely lucky if he got in an educated persons top 10 p4p.
Readin the comments of most articles at this site, at first there is all this PRO PBFs, but after facts have been laid for them to take, you can no more see the swag. Them cats have been strayed away by the dogs, coz all this cats keep talkin sh*t like wat they knew is real.
Floyd will not and can never be the greatest fighter of all time. He’s not born to be one. Looking at his ZERO record and looking at the quality of fighters he fought is a BIG JOKE. He’s only defining fight would be with Shane. Unfortunately, that would send him back to complete retirement. Floyd is beatable, fragile chin and body and certainly could be knocked out by a fighter with Shanes power.
Pacqiuao vs williams now that’s a brawl of the century and worth watching. Forget mayweather, I say, he’s over rated and his head/ego got too big. It reminds me of the guy pacman knocked out cold. Does alot of talk but can’t do the walk.
@ cam
Yup I agree. But for this period of boxing, in order to be the great, you must fight the best your era has to offer. Atleast if all things are over and done, you might not be the G.O.A.T but the best the recent period has to offer.
@ King
I prefer to be silenced by PBF career or resume,but until then, his legacy will not be solidified as what your eyes can see.
Someone once said that you can’t really compare fighters from different eras. All Floyd can do is go out their and be the best he can be. The way the sport is today with all the alphabet titles, people refusing to fight another guy because he’s too tall, and fighting for welter weight titles at 145 pounds, all these things plus many more factors have made this era a weak era in boxing. To be honest, I don’t beleive their is enough quality fighters in this era for one fighter to defeat and be considered better than Sugar Ray Robinson, all these guys can hope for is to maybe crack the top 10.
Floyd is a great fighter. Shane is too, but floyds skillset will give shane problems. Shane is gonna have to really turn back the clock and show us something special to win. Hes dangerous and floyd knows it but (at least he should) but its not the best matchup for moseley. Mannys amazing but with his lack of defense hes really gonna have to eat a lot of counter punches and stay on his feet while remaining busy to break floyd down. Plus freddie roach is a wild card in that fight. Its a toss up to me as to who wins a floyd manny fight. Paul Williams beats floyd in a majority desicion. Thats why floyd will never fight him. That being said, floyd is probably one of the top 100 fighters of all time, but the greatest? Never. Floyd doesnt even crack my top 75. Hes not even the greatest fighter of the last 20 years, much less the best ever. But he will never know that…how can someone who has maxed out their own abilities possibly believe thatdozens of others not only had more potential than him but reached it? Hard pill to swollow for a guy with his ego. He just doesnt cut it.
I thought Mayweather was retired for 2 years.
Of course he’s overrated! We only have ONE fight to rate him on in the last TWO AND A HALF YEARS and it was against a guy who had to come up 2 weight divisions to fight him; plus Floyd also came in overweight.
Floyd fans want to pick apart and down play Pacquiao’s recent fights and accomplishments which you’re all welcome to do; but at least Pacquiao has been in fights over the last couple of years for us to examine. The same can’t be said for Floyd.
I guess Mayweather’s attitude and actions have traumatized some people to the point that they’re praying that he loses.
Dear, Shane deliver us from this egocentric fool. Open his poor soul to the realities of boxing. And make him immortal as he has showered himself with idiologies which he can only understand. Please explain to Floyd that he is not chosen by god, that he is not the only boxer with great gifts, and he is not the most gifted boxer in history. Please just kick his ass. So this poor child can finally take the blind fold out of his ass. Thank you!
@Jones
What does Pacquiao have to do with what we were talking about?
@Gladiator
You can argue that alot of fighters have been overrated; I honestly don’t know if he is or not, but the one thing I do believe is that come May 1st he will defeat Shane Mosley.
I rest my case. Have a nice day xxxxxxxxxxx
If there were any doubt that Manny Pacquiao is the biggest star of his sport, it was put to rest by members of the Boxing Writers Association of America. By an overwhelming margin, Pacquiao took home not only the BWAA’s newly named “Sugar Ray Robinson Fighter of the Year” award, but went one better by also winning “Fighter of the Decade” honors. For Pacquiao, it was his third BWAA “Fighter of the Year” award, tying him with Muhammad Ali and Evander Holyfield for the most in the history of the organization.
If Mosley KO’S Mayweather I’d probably be cheering. I’m not rooting for anyone, I just want to see a good fight. Mayweather is just the guy I believe will win that fight come May 1st. I know alot about both of the fighters, I’ve been watching them both for a while.
Larry: Answer gladiators post
What would a win over Mosley say about Mayweather’s skills?
@Jones
If Mayweather gets totally dominated I would have to give Shane all the credit in the world. I actually like Mosley, but I think Mayweather has more skills. I think if Mayweather dominates Mosley, you wouldn’t know what to think.
gladiator: I agree. Floyd is the best in his mind and the minds of his nuthugging fans. Nobody else agrees. No awards by the pundits at all.
The truth of the matter is that Floyd Jr. is continually being over rated by his fans. If he is really that great, why was he not voted Fighter of the Decade by all boxing organizations in the US? His best years has come and gone and he has nothing to show for it except for his “0″ and Fighter of the Year for 2007. I need some honest opinion about this.
Floyd thinks he is better than Robinson and Ali. Roflmaoooooooooooooo
Larry: And if Mayweather gets beat?
Floyd chickenwing has one fight left in him and that’s May 1st. After that SugarShane will fight Pacman. Chickenwing is only fighting Mosely because him and his people think there is no way he can lose to a 38 year old fighter. On May 1st Mosely will expose him for the fraud he is. It will be similar to Holyfeild/Tyson.
Running around the ring like a headless chicken don’t do anything for me. Maybe Floyd should fight Dirrell? They could both fly out the ring together and fall in love.
@JONES
Come on man, its not a hard question.
It wont happen
Larry: It ain’t going to happen brother. Mayweather will be running around the ring like a headless chicken. Mosley will knock him out
@Jones
I respect your opinion on Mosley winning the fight on May 1st, but my question is, what will you think of Mayweather and his skills as a boxer IF he totally dominates Mosley?
May 1st. First loss.
@ Larry. He made my girlfriend sleep by watching his fight. I was amazed though.
Larry: No he never slept with my girl as she don’t do ego maniacs. Hope that clears things up?
I agree with the last two but to be honest I think Mosley is getting way too much credit for beating Margarito.
Margarito had just been busted, so his head was all over the place. Mosley done well don’t get me wrong, but on top of that, people seem to forget his performance against Mayorga.
Also he’s never done well against slick boxers(Winky Wright).
I hope it’s not a borefest but have a feeling Floyd will jog and dance his way to victory against Shane, really do hope I’m wrong though.
@Jones
You gettin real emotional; Did Mayweather sleep with your girl friend or something?
@ Larry
You may also help me clarify some things answering my previous post below if most if not all boxers/promoters think PBF may be the G.O.A.T.
Larry: It ain’t going to happen. Floyd looks good fighting smaller guys. Mosley will expose him big time. Remember my name dude.
@Jones
I didn’t say he was going to be better than Robinson, but his name will be mentioned up their.
Lets just see come fignt night.
@Jones
What will you think if Mayweather totally dominates Mosley?
Larry: If you think Mayweather is 3 fights away from being better than Robinson you need help. Give me the name of your drug dealer………..Sounds mind blowing stuff!
@ larry
yah, only for the author’s perception. Might be true, but still wont happen if contracts cant be made with him against those 3.
@Jones
I think Mayweather will do fine May 1st. Honestly I don’t even believe it will take his best performance to win.
Let us see how Floyd does fighting a top welter? Shane will expose this guy big time. The 0 is going to go.
Hate him or love him, the guy is 3 fights from being considered the best that ever did it.
jones whatever man, he fought ODLH at 154
Mayweather has avoided elite level welterweights for nearly five years. He has always been reluctant to fight the best this division had to offer, and against Mosley, in order for him to win—he is going to need to fight at a level we have not seen him fight at some time and a level we have never seen him fight at north of the junior welterweight division. Floyd’s nutsack clutching fans refuse to acknowledge about how he obtained his precious 0. As Shane says, he was once 38-0, 35 KOs which is just 2 short of Floyd’s number of wins. Had Floyd elected to step up to the top dogs like Shane did his 0 would be long gone. That’s why he cherrypicked his way through 140 and 147.
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OLDH aside, atleast Pac agreed to fight Ricky in his best weight. Then again, what if Shane was defeated by PBF and the blood testing again was not compromised between PAC and PBF, then shane may be one of the options Pac may have to fight.
One thing that is confusing is that, if PBF was the face and the possibility of G.O.A.T, why do most of the boxers want to fight Pac instead of PBF? These boxers of course wanted to be great and get a lot of money too, but cant they see that happening if they face PBF thats why they call Pac?
Hope some of the PBF fans may just want to clarify.
While I agree Floyd needs to pay the IRS back I would disagree with him thinking 10 steps ahead, if he did that he wouldn´t owe the IRS millions in the first place. For a guy who claims to be all about the Money and business I think he kinda sucks at the business aspect and I wouldn´t be surprised if in 20 years he´s auctioning off memorabilia to pay his bills.
if may can beat those 3 he definatlty one of the top 5 of all time. i think may will fight williams especially if pac dosent man up and take the tests. And for all those people that say may was backed into a corner to fight shane-THINK AGAIN it is obvious that may and GBP payed berto to step aside. hell berto fought last week if the earthquake really was the reason he backed out of the mosley fight why didnt he just rescedule for last week. how can he say because of the tragedy in his country he cant fight shane and then he goes ahead and fights someone else before shane fights again.BERTO WAS PAYED TO STEP ASIDE. this is how i know may wasn’t backed into a corner and did everything he can to fight the best ww after pac b*tched out on the mega fight. If pac wanted to fight the best WW he could of done the same thing instead he picked clottey and is now talking of fighting margacheato instaed of planning a mayweather fight.
Duran would have made Floyd say ‘No Mas’
No…he would not be the GOAT, IMO. But, he would, hands down, be the greatest of his era, and in the top 10-20 GOAT, arguably.
kid floyd is a business man and thinks 10 steps ahead. if he doesnt win the olympic style testing is null and void cause shane will fight pacman regardless of who does the testing. it’s not about legacy it’s bout paying the irs back so he needs to man up and fight with the nevada drug testing commmision overlooking everything, just like he fought for every fight before this one. why all of a sudden he wants different drug testing methods. why not olympic drug testing for zab, baldomir.mitchell , marquez, hatton and the list goes on…. when he got cornered and has no one to fight but the best the division has he calls for testing that he taught the guys would not agree on. well pacman didnt but unfortunely for floyd shane did. i am still waiting for him to pull out the fight. put up or shut up time for little floyd..
@ Fighter
To answer your question with a question very short, who was the best available welterweight when the contract between pacquiao-clottey was made?
Yah, simple question, simple answer.
@Lex
With Floyd´s current 1 fight a year regimen he would need to fight another 5 years to do what your talking about, probably not likely for him to fight so many more fights, IMO he will fight 2-3 fights max including this one with Shane. If he can beat Shane and then Pac he will call it a day to preserve his legacy.
the overrated midget afro flomo will be knocked out cold by mosley! unless he runs all night! lol
dat flomo and that guy are pathetic! kfc/flomo blasted by ra rugged man!!!
Yeah. Floyd is really somebody. He beat a 97 year old ODLH, a slow, lightweight Riccky Hatton, a slow lightwieght JMM. That’s realy something, beating guys south of your wiegt class, and past due. He’s almost like Manny Pacquiao.
Pinoys…get out your Chicken Bones and start praying. It still won’t help. Mayweather is just too good to lose.
Mosely, then a rematch, then Pacquiao!!!
Resume complete. The undefeated record of Mayweather fully in tact!
I just finished eating some chicken. Want the bones?
I was just thinking about this last night. If Mayweather fights and wins against, 1) Mosley, 2) Pacquiao 3)rematch with Mosley 4) rematch with Pac 5)Berto 6)Williams, than a very good argument could be made PBF is the GOAT, but Sugar Ray Robinson will always hold that title in the eyes of the majority, and rightfully so. I could easily see Money beating Mosley and Manny, than giving at least one a re-match, then depending on how the division looks then a fight with a Berto, Bradley, Maidana, or Alexander, and then a fight at 154 with Williams. I don’t see the Punisher ever fighting at 147 again and being too drained if he does. Both Williams and Cintron claim they can easily make 147, and all the big paydays are there, yet their fight next month is at 154. This tells me neither fighter is most comfortable at WW. PBF can easily cement his status as ONE of the best boxers ever, but can never be considered the consensus GOAT. But if Pac fights the winner of May 1st, then the loser, then whoever comes out on top of the JWW division and possibly a Berto he would be up there too. If Pac could somehow beat the winner of May 1, and go on to beat the Punisher he would cement his status as ONE of the best ever. As it is now, both are considered two of the best ever, but neither are close to being number 1 as of right now. However, they are the two greatest of their era, although an argument could be made for B-hop too.
I think there is a pattern forming. Shouldn’t Pacman be setting up a fight with Mosley shortly after PBF dispatches him? Let’s see – ODH, Ricky Hatton, …………….
Suppa. I think you’re the one who is out of touch. Freddy Roach is on record for saying “Mosley is just to good a fighter” and “there’s not enough money in the Mosley fight”.
Now I agree, that Mosley is too good for Manny, and would expose his many flaws. But here’s the hypocracy; he turns down Shane…and fights Clottey? So answer me this ONE question…do you think Clottey (#5 ranked WW at the time) could have been a bigger payday than Mosley (the #3 WW at the time)? Simple question, simple answer.
I’ll tell you my take; Freddy was making excuses coz.
If Floyd was serious on 24/7 when he said he only fights once a year he won’t reach those lofty goals. His schedule will be.
2010 lost to Shane
2011 lost to Shane in a rematch
2012 gets knocked our by Manny
2013 gets knocked out by Williams
retires again in 2014.
Floyd’s biggest problem is inactivity. He thinks boxing evolves around him. Floyd seeing Manny accomplish so much was a hard pill to swallow.
@Jones. I feal you bruh. Mayweather was very nervous on a few occasions.
1.after the undersized JMM fight, he was shook when Shane came in the ring.
2.The Max Kellerman sit down interview, When Shane pulled the “what did you say to me” card, he was studdering, and falling over his words and everything.
3.on the stage at the press release…the scuffle, where Shane put Floyd in time out. Floyd aint been handled like that since his daddy was beating his backside as a kid.
Floyd wanted no part of Shane. He was looking at Mallinaggi, or another easy, safe fight. Look at how edgy he was on 24/7. Shane got into his head.
And to all the Floyd groupies that will undobtedly come whining, NO. I don’t like Manny. Can’t wait to see him get schooled by a REAL WW…Mosley, Mayweather, Colazzo…even Berto. Just because somebody (in fact…most of America) doesn’t like Floyd, don’t mean they’re a Pinoy, or Manny supporter.
how can he ever be the greatest manny has won every award over him for the past few years so unless he has loads more fights manny will be regarded as better then him
freddy roach said once,shane can you make 142pounds and shane said no,then roach says then there is no fight,shane said but you fought oscar at147 and roach said shane you’re better than oscar.roach did not wanna give up that advantage so he ducked out on mosley and didnt wanna risk pacquiao on that fight.now every pacquiao fan knows that my statement here is a fact.when mayweather beats mosley and most pactars think mosley will win then i dont wanna hear excuses about mosley being a bum because even pacquiao and freddy respect that man as a fighter so no excuses.if money wins then at least most of the pacquiao fans have to reconize greatness
Maychicken’s list of fighters reads the following:
Vic Darchinyan, Chris John, Nonito Donaire, and any old boxer passed his prime.
Maychicken is an imposter.
I agree with Jones. Floyd will be exposed in this fight. Floyd’s back is in the wall and he has to make a stand on this. The question is, can he? This is the first time that he faces a real welter. Even if Mosley is a bit older but for sure Mosley can give him a beating. Comes May 1st, Floyd will take a licking.
@jones: shut up please you are a retard.
Dre00: Don’t cry too much after Shane Mosley exposes your Hero. Like i said: It might make him a better person.
Jones what you want to prove man? what you wanna gain with these weak reasonings/arguments? you like Manny? wait for an article base on Manny and have fun with, you might wait a month or two, but eventually you will get you chance.
The biggest joke is that Mayweather didn’t want the fight with Mosley. Floyd was looking to fight Matthew Hatton or Paulie Malignaggi before Mosley became available. We all saw Floyd stutter and make excuses when Shane crashed his party after the Marquez farce. Floyd was basically pushed into a corner and had to take the fight. His 0 is going to go. Hopefully it might make him a better person, although i doubt it.
@JONES, and the rest of the Pinoys. When Floyd completely embarrasses the HOF fighter that can EASILY destroy Pacquiao, please don’t come back and say how bad, how old, how slow, or how ring rusty he was. Its not that Mosely is that bad, its just that Mayweather is just that good!!!!
Mayweather by EASY Unanimous Decision.
@Jones >> you done? that`s it?
All this is debatable but winning those 3 fights will not make Floyd the Greatest of All Time, he may break the top 15 but no higher, he just simply doesn´t compare to Ali, Marciano, Sugar Ray Robinson, Jack Dempsey, Jack Johnson, Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard and the list goes on. I´m sorry but if you seriously think Floyd is the greatest of all time you need to study boxing and its history, it´s not even close.
ZKO i agree 100% i cud’nt say it any better its like the maquez fight pacquiao had a war wid him (even though he clearley lost) and because the judges gave him the win he got respect for that becase it was diffcult fight for him but becase mayweather eat marquez like a jamican sunday dinner he din’t get the respect he deserved cuz it was an easy fight for him it, does’ent mean that marquez isent tough.
Nice write up but there is NO WAY Floyd should fight Williams. Williams is just to big and should not be fighting at 147 or 152. He is a freak. Mayweather and any other 5’8″ fighter would have a distinct diasadvantage against Williams. I am not sure he needs to beat Williams to achieve that status. If he beats Mosley and then beats Pac Man, he will be right there. I am not sure who he would have to beat after that to become #1, but the resume would be elite.
Floyd cannot hurt Shane, and that is the important point here. Floyd has been fighting blown up jr welters, light-weights, and jr. light-weights with the exception of a few actual welters in the last few years, Floyd’s power stopped at 140lbs, he didn’t hurt any of the true welters he fought, and he cannot just run, he will have to stand and fight at some point and with a bigger guy in the ring the shoulder roll will not be as effective as it is against smaller weaker opponents, Shane’s bigger and stronger than Floyd and his jab and overhand right will be in play big time. Mosley by KO 9
pacquiao fans are so retarded iv never come across such down sindroned people in my life 1 pacquiao lost twice to marquez. Wheras mayweather made marquez look like his sparing partner two i dont give a s**t how the fight wid mosley was put together there getting in the ring end of so stop tea bagging pacquiao and anmit that he’s an overgrown steroid.
I like the article, and I do believe that a Mayweather win over Mosely, Pacquiao and Williams makes him the GOAT!!!
I believe he wants that as much as he wants to keep his undefeated record.
HE WILL GET IT…
I do not think Corales, Castillo, Manfredy, Agustus, Hatton, Baldomir, Judah and DeLaHoya were cherry picked. After Mayweather dominated these fighters, people look back and say he cherry picked because he did not show much voulnerability in these fights. People have more respect for fighters that got hurt and came back during a fight.
I see Sweet Science, I see Magic, I see “fly like a butterfly, sting like a Bee” i don`t pay 50$ to see a bar brawl, i can see that for free.
Manny has 7 world titles, but check what kind of world titles they are.
2 WBC
2 WBO
1 Ring
1 WBA
1 IBF
Now Floyd has 6 world tites, check what kind they are:
5 WBC
1 IBF
Floyd never even won a vacant title, and only went for WBC belts, he only got the IBF one cuz Zab had it right after losing the WBC one to baldomir (which floyd grabbed that WBC one right after anyway).
Now why in the hell would Manny have all these random ABC belts while Floyd has only WBC belts? Exactly. Because throughout manny’s career they just chose the person in the weight division who posed the least amount of threat (example: david diaz, ricky hatton, cotto). The proof is in the pudding pac fans, your boys been a fraud the whole time.
Heart of a champion! that’s what makes a great fighter. did mayweather have it? facing challenges with the odds against you without hesitation, facing it face to face without fear or intimidation. greatness is given to a boxer and it can’t be self proclaim. when a boxer fights inside the ring, the public will see what the boxer’s made of. when you watch mayweather fights , what do you see??
The fans made this fight with Mosley happen. Floyd didn’t get his chance to cherry-pick this time and he’s not as confident as you’d think. Floyd’s picked up on the old, over-weight, past-prime, and other over-hyped fighters while avoiding the real competition. Floyd will have his track shoes on and hopefully the fans will boo him during his running exhibitions. Sugar Shane shouldn’t go chasing him but should better off stand in the middle of the ring waiting on Floyd. SSM would get the crowd swing if he did that. Best of luck to SSM.
@Jones Manny got awards and s!@# because it`s all part of the Arum/Top rank marketing strategy, Arum has all these boys in his pockets, it made no sense to make Manny fighter of the decade, the dude lost in the decade, also lost to JMM, and fought only old/wasted fighters. open your eyes
herrera22: Read my previous post. You cant argue with facts.
The time for floyd to even break the top fifty has long passed when he retired two years ago
I like this blog because it makes sense! Manny would get handled easily. Mosley has just as much as a sluggers chance which is always dangerest. Money Mayweather has faced the same type of fighters his whole career. Unlike Manny he has fought a better selection or fighters than number of fights! Now I think any Champ Mayweather faces at 154 lbs would be a good fight, like Pacquiao vs Diaz. Floyd Mayweather can not retire before Pacquiao if he wants to be the Goat!
Jones:First of all how is that Mayweathers falt marquez was the one who wanted the fight aganist mayweather?So now when he fights mosley the excuses will be mosley was over the edge already like always but everyone has there own opioion.The piont is mayweather does not cherrypick anyone he wanted the fight with pacquiao but was suppiovsely afraid of needles lol come now lol.But yet he has tattoes pacquiao needs to come up with a better excuse. lol
Why is everyone going on like pacquiao is special theres nothing distinctive about pacquiao every generation there’s a fighter that comes along and brings somthing new to boxing like floyd’s advance style pernnels incredble reflexes sugar ray’s foot work ali sho boating and enlighting charteristcs these make these guys stand out from the rest the only thing pacquiao brings is anoyance and steds.
If there were any doubt that Manny Pacquiao is the biggest star of his sport, it was put to rest by members of the Boxing Writers Association of America. By an overwhelming margin, Pacquiao took home not only the BWAA’s newly named “Sugar Ray Robinson Fighter of the Year” award, but went one better by also winning “Fighter of the Decade” honors. For Pacquiao, it was his third BWAA “Fighter of the Year” award, tying him with Muhammad Ali and Evander Holyfield for the most in the history of the organization.
@Jones oh ur opinion ?? and WTH should we care about your opinion???
reading some of these comments show how ill-informed people are. pacquiao AGREED to testing with a cutoff of 24 days before while mayweather wanted 14. not much of a difference.
as far as floyd beating manny with ease, i don’t think so. in many of mayweathers fights, his opponents showed little success when pressuring him. hatton, castillo, and judah showed it. the problem is that these fighters couldn’t keep up the pressure. hatton was fading, castillo faded in the 2nd bout, and judah was known as a 6 round fighter. pacquiao however would be bringing this pressure for the full 12 rounds. don’t think that mayweather can handle that pressure for a full 12. also i don’t think floyd can hurt manny at all. outbox him yes, but ko him is highly unlikely. pacquiao has taken flush shots from who i think are stronger opponents than mayweather in cotto and clottey.
overall i would say mayweather wins by decision or pacquiao by knockout or stoppage. either way both are going down in history as greats
The truth of the matter is, we’re the only ones talking about this fight here. Casual fans are not talking about it and I’m not making this up. Here in New York today, only the Daily News is talking and guess what? It’s all about Mosley, Conte and the Balco scandal. Casual fans are so turn off to watch this fight specially everyone knows how boring a Mayweather fight to watch. Here in New York, people and papers are talking more on Cotto-Foreman fight, which is not a surprise since both have fan base here, but the thing is, it is still a long way to go compared to Mayweather-Mosley fight.
I will not be surprise if the May-Mos will be a stinker because it don’t attract casual fans. I hope I’m wrong but I’m sure I will still watch this fight FOR FREE after a week.
and it dosent matter how old a fighter is leonard come back after years of lay off at about 35 and took out hagler, shane took margrito so no can say this fight is gonna be easy just give floyd his credit.
Dre00: The boxers i named are Well above Mayweather, not only in my opinion but lots of others too. It is funny how Mayweather and his fanboys call him the best but Pacman gets all the awards. Best fighter of the decade and fighter of the year for the third time. Where are Mayweather’s awards? Mayweather doesn’t even hold a belt and is ranked behind Pacman in the p4p ratings.
o god u gt the cheak to say mayweather is a cherry picker how come pacquiao fout a 160 year old oscar del la hoya then.
@Jones man are you ok? did you eat today? the 10 fighters you name, base on what did you state the fact that they were/are better? do you know the list of factors you would have to consider before making such conclusion? Dude if you have nothing to post, go take a walk outside and think about life!!!
Shane Mosley will knock Mayweather out in round 11. Mayweather is not the best, and after he has been beaten for the first time in his career, people will stop talking about him and greatness in the same sentence.
herrera22: Marquez was 36 and dragged up 2 weight divisions. If you think that is impressive i feel sorry for you. Floyd also came in overweight to make it even more laughable.
Mayweather is the best no one can beat him.Look how he beat marquez like nothing and that was with a 2year layoff imagine that lol.Everyone talking about oh marquez is going to whoop him hell no then when Mayweather wins here comes all the excuses like always. lol lol lol
im abit pied off i just wached a video which said manny pacquiao vs mayweather the fight the world wants to see, WTF any one that has any knowlege knows that mayweather vs moseley is the fight to watch it has been wanted for over 12 years these were days when no one new who pacquiao was, pacquiao is nothing compaired mosley or floyd.
I can name at least 10 fighters that are above Mayweather: Robinson, Ali, Foreman, Ali, Hearns, Hagler, Leonard, Duran, Tyson, Pryor. There is 10 right there. Those guys have losses on their resumes cos they fought the best. Unlike Mayweather the cherry picker.
Maragrito and Paul Williams. Please! Paul Williams is not a welterwieght and Margarito shouldn’t be able to fight again. Does any one care that Margarito got caught CHEATING with plaster in his hands !This clown should be banned for life but hey most of you don’t care in Manny is juicing. So, forget about a Paul Williams fight. This guy is way too big for the welterweight division. I think Paul Williams lost his last fight. He was getting clock with right hooks but they gave it to him.
Mayweather has been at welterweight for nearly 5 years. His resume at that weight is very poor. He retired while the best guys were fighting each other: Cotto, Margarito, Mosley, Clottey, Cintron, Berto, Collazo and more recently Pacman. We all know he only made a comeback because the IRS own his ass. I wouldn’t even put Floyd in the top 20 of all time. Lots more better fighters than him. I’m sorry but fighting Marquez and Hatton at 147 don’t make him the best welter out there.
@Steve. Excellent, excellent, writing. Paul Williams is still in the hight of his carreer, Pacquiao’s demise would silence those who know little about boxing, and Shane would be a monumental win as well. I DO hope that Shane wins, but that would also be good for the sport. In and around the WW division, we have the gladiators of our generation. The Hagler’s, Herns’, the Ray Lenard’s, the Durans. Mayweather, Mosley, Williams, Colazzo, Soon to be, Gamboa, and MAYBE Berto, are those calliper of guys.
But back to Mosley, This is gonna be the fight of our day. I think it will be a tactful, and exciting fight, that hopefully Mosley wins.
if he fights and beats the three said fighters he would indeed be the hands-down greatest of our generation
floyd mayweather is a brilliant boxer his skills will be too much for mosley i expect floyd to beat him with ease
Undeniably, Mayweather Jr. has the skills but to be considered as the greatest of all time? I don’t think so.
i bet when floyd beats shane then if pacquiao grows guts and fight floyd and then floyd beats pacquiao they will say his cherrypicking AGAIN NO MATTER WHAT THIS GUY DOES HE GETS NO CREDIT
i know right they said baldomir, hatton, de la hoya, and zab were going to dominate floyd, i wonder what will they say when he beats shane…oh his was old or something lol
If he is able to beat all three of these fighters he wil go down as one of the greatest. For those pactards that hate on Mayweather why, Mayweather is just trying to level the playing field. Drug testing like the ones that are taking place for the fight on May 1st should be standard across boxing. I applaud Mayweather for trying to make Manny take the test.
Three fights from Greatness??
Mayweather vs Sugar Shane at 38
Mayweather vs Paulie Malignaggi
Mayweather vs Matthew Hatton
Those are his up coming fights(realistically speaking)…
Beat any of these three which two must include Pacquiao & Paul Williams… Cotto, Edwin Valero, or Margarito as a third choice.. and Mayweather can be marked as the greatest of all time..
“BUT” if he fails to fight any of these guys then.. he is only the greatest pay per view attraction (a circus act of boxing)..
You have to fight the best to be the best.. records are only made to be broken..
@ ash
i heard that line so many times this is floyd biggest toughest fighter they even said that for baldomir lol and then he beats them easiily and peope say why he fight him when he had this guy out there and then he fights them and they say the samething lol if floyd didnt tak trash people wouldnt be saying this but if he didnt talk trash he might not be a big star so it was a price he had to pay
first of all paul williams would be a hard opponent for mayweather but mayweather will still win he will just make it a boring fight and win by decision plus williams no longer is a welterweight,second the next hardest fight for mayweather is mosely this is the way i see it first 4 rounds to mosley all others mayweather unanimous decision. pac man will be the most dissapointing with mayweather beating him so badly from round 1 to round 8 before freddy roach throws in the towel. I KNOW BOXING!!!!
i like williams being hungry to fight the best and mainly hungry for that big money fight but he can make 147 but he will be weight drained lol thats not a good fight he should move on make a name for himself and takeover after floyd and manny retire because he to big for 147 it comes a time in great fighters careers to move up which he needs to keep doing not moving back to something he will kill himself to make
Oscar Dela Hoya, Ricky Hatton and Juan Manuel Marquez, are fighters that Floyd needed to face, due to the fact that he doesn’t have enough fans! Without the millions of fans that these fighters have, would Floyd be even considered as box-office?
It would take a lot more than the three fighters mentioned, for Mayweather to be even considered as the greatest. Remeber, a 38 year old Shane Mosley represents the first ever top Welterweight in Mayweather’s 14 year career, and the first real test that he’s ever faced. That thought shouldn’t be overlooked when people start making rediculous statements, he’s no where near the likes of Ray Robinson. At 33 years of age it’s too late for Floyd to start acting like a fighter, he’s had 14 years to face the best, but has consistently looked for the easy way out.
He’s got the biggest mouth in boxing. nuff said
@kuto
well ofcourse he saying that he wants floyd to drop his demand but yet when they come to the table he stil ants everything his way or he will walk and arum will say floyd a coward lol…he got his 10mil pper pound and glove size ring size weight limit and money split floyd got his name being first thats it lol…he only wanted blood testing for both but if you remember correctly pac didnt say he ahd a problem with giving blood at first he just wanted to kno when the blood test would be and thats why the red flag came up and why floyd team pushed for testing so much because lets be honest that looks guilty and then keep changing your story looks guilty and will make you want blood testing its his life in the ring not the fans so i respect that hes man enough to say he would put his life first before fans just for a fight because everybody else would do the same …manny fights for the fans right..why is money always the issue why he will walk away from the fight then..why if you fight for the fans now he has to much pride to give blood what about those fans you fought for…like come on this issue looks so bad the commission is trying to change their test by sept which things like that take years to chage ..this looks worse for manny then floyd because if your p4p king and you wont show your clean hurts your sport more then mayweather mouth..people are use to that already lol
Not Paul. Mayweather is too afraid of ANY fighter that can beat him. The only reason he agreed to fight MOsley is that he got pushed into it after the talks with pacquiao did not push thru and it made him look like a big chicken.
floyd beats the three of them. shane gets hit too damn much to beat floyd. manny’s aggression plays right into floyd’s game. and paul williams hasn’t made 147 in over two years. the last time he had a long break between welter bouts he was outboxed by quintana. that was six months. imagine what 3 years would do to williams?
skills wise without a doubt but robinson was so great and in his time the fought so much and he was winning still which is harder to do and its hard to take him off as number 1 but skills wise you can say floyd has it and anybody who says he dosnt is hating he makes good fighters that media and everybdoy hypes up look like bums whent they step in the ring with him which is crazy watch a year from now everybody said mosley and pac willbeat him and if they lose it will switch to paul williams and berto and he was ducking them for years lol same comments new year different fighters
PACMAN SAYS, JUST BRING HIM UP ON THE RING WITHOUT EXCUSES AND THE WORLD WILL ALSO KNOW WHO THE REAL CHAMPION IS. “HE’S JUST SCARED AND MAY BE NOT READY TO FIGHT ME,” SAID PACQUIAO. THE FANS OF MAYWEATHER WERE ALL FOOLED BY THEIR IDOL. PBF DOESN’T FIGHT FOR THE FANS; HE NEVER CARES ABOUT THE FANS PAYING TO WATCH HIM. I REALLY FEEL SORRY FOR ALL OF YOU GUYS.
Mayweather is the best boxer of all time.
Once we beat Mosely and Pacmam the rest of the world will know.
most of the peopel who hate floyd will hate him forever so fighting them will show why he is one of the greatest 2/3 of them atleast but if he can do that and win easily you can throw him in the top 5 with names ali robinson lenord but i dont think you can throw past them but if he beats all 3 yea he could be in top 5..but if we going off the voting people did they have manny ranked number 2 of all time lol if floyd beats mosly and him easily then if we go off those voting mayweather should be number 1 lol but since most boxing fans kno the voting is all on how much you like a guy not by what they really did you can only throw floyd in top 5 which is great to be apart of in boxing history
mayweather is a BEAST!
He has the biggest lips of all time..that’s about it.
Mayweather would rather put his head in a bucket of water and breath in deply ten times than fight Paul or Manny. I agree he’s the greatest, though… the greatest cherry picking, fight ducking, excuse making ponse that ever lived.
shane mosley is washed up as hell watch mayorga fight…..margarito was finished cos he got caught before fight…sitting duck….
The ones that don’t like him never will. People were asking why he wouldnt fight shane and now he is and there still not satisfied “he picked the fight ten years too late” ” he was backed into a corner”. People just dont like the guy, it’s fne with me just stop acting like he can do something to win you over becasue looking at some of the stupid childish stuff people say about him proves that no matter what they wont accept him. Every one likes pac cuz hes the quiet humble guy and they hate floyd because he runs his yap. I find it funny because judging by what the mass of idiots says about him, we should be embracing floyd simply becuase,as it shows, everyone likes to run their mouth. this is a guy that is genuinely hard to hit and people put him down becuase of it. that shows the under appreciation for his talent. so i dont think you guys will ever except him.
hell no..pacquiao has more chance of claiming goat than mayweather ever has cos pacman was a light flyweight as proffession and camp from their to all the way to welter, floyd doesnt have the heart to become a worthy challenger to pacmans throne as the best of this era…soprry….having said that i think floyd -pacman is a 50-50 fight…
KFC if u read the article knucklehead it clearly says at the start “is he just three fights away from greatness” which implies a question is being asked to the reader.
Mosley coming of the best victory of his carrer mayweather coming of one of the best vitories of his carrer mosley vs mayweather is gonna be of the hook
I think your 100% correct. If Mayweather beats Mosley, Pacquiao and Williams then he is the greatest.
I don’t see him fighting Williams but I think he should.
to answere your question ,,,NO.
and why do you ask “would that be enough to call him GOAT?” after your whole article states that it would…
but really, Floyd beating Manny? are you insane? If floyd can beat manny so easily, why is he ducking him? why the drug testing?
i think he beats paul williams with ease at 147….because williams wil die making it to that weight and well be weigth drain to make the big money fight and make history on stopping mayweather first but with him being weight drain i dont see him being that great maybe 154 its tough to choose because of his size and work rate but something i think he can beat him since williams isnt that smart of a guy lol
I would echo RFM’s comment: Floyd won’t fight Williams, and what does that tell you? Truly great fighters WANT to fight the best, while Floyd, esp. as a welterweight, as exhibited the opposite tendency: he is cagey as hell with regard to who he fights.
So maybe in theory beating those three fighters could argue for major greatness for Floyd, but the probability that those second two fights WON’T happen – to me, that is the bottomline on Floyd’s self-proclaimed “best ever” status….
If and when Floyd gets the courage to fight Pacquiao, I think he will train to do 100 shoulder rolls per round. Ha ha ha. Then his best legacy will become the shoulder roll dance move. Ha ha ha.
a very frank article. quite agreeable, i like it.
He wont fight Paul Williams. Not in a million years, he’s too big.