Why Mayweather can look Pretty Against Pacquiao
March 15th, 2010
By Paul Williams: I want “Pretty Boy” Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs “Pacman” Manny Pacquiao! With certain reservations, Floyd wins. First and foremost, lets get a huge point out the way. I am a Pacman fan and I want this to argue both sides. I don’t believe for a second the whole drug taunts are true, I believe it less than Floyd does. He is simply getting in Manny’s head, plain and simple. Floyd is a highly intelligent fighter who believes fights can be won before you enter the ring. He proved this against Hatton. its the exact same strategy he used get under Ricky Hatton’s skin, something no-one had done before.
As for the fight, I believe the the reason Floyd is a true great is he does what all time greats do, he finds a way to win! i get the whole he doesn’t please. it gripes me sometimes but he always adjusts to what is in-front of him, this is his main advantage over Pacman. If Manny has success then Floyd will change his style to neutralize this where as Manny does not possess that ability, if he’s having trouble he will carry on doing the same things until he goes back to Roach. Manny is very repetitive, ok knowing whats gonna happen and stopping it is so different I agree on that. I believe Roach will change Mannys tactics, he jumps in and out. This against one of the greatest counter punches of all time will be a big mistake, Manny jumping onto a punch with his speed will create more power. Team Roach will work to the body like De La Hoya did and they will use the jab that Roach believes is the punch Mayweather is weak to.
Pacman is open to uppercuts and also hooks. Joshua Clottey showed this and his head movement is poor. Shane Mosley showed against Antonio Margarito than even if you are an iron chinned fighter that doesn’t move his head, against quality can get you taken out. Pacquiao will come looking and I believe if Floyd can handle Pacquiao all over him he can win this fight. Mayweather always rises to the plate, so no one really knows how good he can be when he needs to be. For a few rounds, Miguel Cotto really troubled Pacquiao until he failed to realize they were gassing him. I don’t think either boxer will go out to try stop the other unless the chance comes up, just because there is too much respect and fear of what the other can do.
From Pacquiao’s point of view he needs to treat it like any other fight because if he comes in cagey because its Floyd that just plays into his hands. I think one point people are missing is, Floyd always throws back even if only ones and twos, so if Manny is constantly coming at him then that is still a lot of ones and twos. Mayweather wont just sit there and he does double up his combos more than people think!. The fighter who manages to neutralize their opponents strengths to maximum effect wins this fight.
I want Mayweather to win. because I think he has to win. Pacquiao has his legacy. This maybe puts Floyd in the top 5 all time bracket if he adds Mosley to the list. He needs this to get the credit he deserves, if he loses he will not go down as a great because people dislike him but this settles the argument. Personally, I fear Pacman will just out work Mayweather and win that way. My main argument is this. boxing is: not getting hit and hitting your opponent. That is the true essence of it. so do you separate for example Pacman who will do a Joe Calzaghe and throw over 1000 punches or Mayweather who in the de le hoya fight, threw 100 less punches but twice as many, 47 per cent, Oscars was in the 20′s..So pre-fight when the judges mentally decide if they will score for aggression or precision ….has this fight decided by three men before it stars?
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Sniper182 says:
“Floyd Mayweather did the same thing. He started at 106lbs. and went up to 150lbs. without losing his speed and stamina. So you think Floyd is also JUICING??
And do you have any proof of evidence that Pac is on steroids?
Or you’re just one of Floyd Sr’s disciple?”
Floyd did not do the same thing. Sniper182 your facts are all over the place. Floyd did NOT turn professional at 106lbs. Mayweather weighed 131lbs for his first professional fight.
Do you know what the hell you are you talking about?
As Floyd came up in weight, his power has significantly decreased. When he was at 130lbs look at his knock-out percentage. Then simply follow the trend. You’ll notice that as Floyd went up in weight, his KO percentage fell dramatically. And if anyone remembers seeing Floyd fight as super featherweight they’d know he was faster then than he is now. Quite a bit faster.
Floyd’s fastest punch nowadays is his jab. He’s never been among the fastest punchers like Meldrick Taylor and Roy Jones Jr. Still he’s speedier than most. But any real fan would notice that Mayweather doesn’t have the power to step in and end a fight with the bigger guys. It just isn’t there. Gone are the days when Floyd put then rising superstar Diego Corrales on his ass 5 times in their fight. This was when many thought Corrales was boxing’s next star because he was knocking cats out!
So to answer your question sniper182 .. I don’t think Floyd is juicing. His physique would be more defined. His muscle separation would be much more evident. And being that Floyd is a notorious gym rat known for his incredible work ethic the juice would be apparent in some aspect by now.
That’s why Manny Pacquiao is a suspect. No one has proof, sniper. If anyone did this would be a scandal and not allegations. But just because something hasn’t been proven doesn’t make it not so. Especially when Pacquiao refuses a test that both boxers were to take, demanded 30 days but is willing to go to 14 as long as they use the same guys who tested Canseco all those years, and says that he is afraid of needles but has like a dozen tattoos!
Not to mention that Pacquiao has gained significant lean muscle mass not common in asian physiques without the aid of PEDs. And uhhh … real nice haircut and fu manchu Manny has grown. Is it to hide the jutting brow and jaw that develops when you use HGH and roids for prolonged periods? Have you looked at Manny’s face lately? Look at his skin texture and bone structure now. Then look at a picture of him when he fought Barrera the first time. His features have changed and that ain’t due to age, Daddy-O.
No one has ever looked at Mayweather and said “he looks like he’s on roids! The dude is too ripped and his muscles look like granite”.
I know TONS of guys that use juice. Some are trainers, while others are bodybuilders. They will all tell you that in order to put on that much lean muscle mass to move up to welterweight in that short period of time .. and to have those muscles be ripped and separated … and to not have those new found big muscles slow you down and in fact you actually speed up with enough power to KO DLH and Cotto when you couldn’t KO Marquez … the man is tossing Schwarzeneggar’s salad, dude.
I can tell you that Manny ain’t using the stuff that they sell at GNC. There ain’t that much sports nutrition in the world.
@Blacksmith
Floyd Mayweather did the same thing. He started at 106lbs. and went up to 150lbs. without losing his speed and stamina. So you think Floyd is also JUICING??
And do you have any proof of evidence that Pac is on steroids?
Or you’re just one of Floyd Sr’s disciple?
Black Smith dropped knowledge.
I’ll quote myself here “take the tests randomly up to fight night”. Not a 24 day gap… wtf is that. that gives him at least two weeks to train with PEDs. And with the morrales fight he knew the whole time he was going to be tested randomly at least 14 days before the fight. And yes i understand they had to do it twice, but it made no difference because who would be on PEDs if they knew they would be blood tested randomly? Not to mention manny’s first excuse for loosing that fight was the gloves, he later reverted to the blood test excuse, meaning blood testing the day before fight night had no effect.
What i mean by perform like normal, not act (dont know where that came from) is throwing above the average amount of punches that are lightning quick and have power.
floyd WINS! THANK U. end of story! floyd and Shane both would destroy pacquiao. He looked weaker, thinner, frail and slower against clottey. Evne though clot was a live punching bag, the hits that he did get in, really damaged pacquiao. enjoy while u can the success ur having for being a below average fighter.
I hate it when people start talking about ducking when they don’t begin to know what they are talking about.
Mayweather didn’t duck Paul Williams.
Paul Williams is a fighter that is avoided, but not by the top guys. Paul Williams hasn’t done a whole lot at welterweight for him to say that he’s being ducked.
Who has Williams fought besides Margarito? And following that big win he got beat in his next match by a guy Cotto gave a beating to. Williams enjoyed success at jr middleweight and then got manhandled by Sergio Martinez.
I think Paul Williams is a great talent and a force in the future, but let’s not jump the gun. The guy has few fight on which to base any dominance that would lead anyone to believe he’s being ducked.
Antonio Margarito had been outboxed by Williams before he got the hell beaten out of him by Shane Mosley. So he wasn’t in any position to start saying he was being ducked. And now after he got caught cheating with the plaster-knuckles all of his wins are questionable.
Cotto? Cotto struggled against Demarcus Corley. Actually Corley had hurt him when Cotto had to get dirty to win. Then after Cotto got destroyed by Margarito, he in most eyes lost to Clottey but got the decision anyway.
How does the champ duck these people?
Mayweather is fighting Mosley. Mosley is in the top 3. Pacquiao fought in and actually sold a piece of crap for $59.99. Still Pacman fans struggle to make that rip off seem noble and worthy. Manny basically gets a mitt workout on Clottey’s gloves and arms and some clowns are calling it a great performance.
About the roids:
Anyone who knows about boxing knows that as you go up in weight your speed and power diminish. This is just a fact in contact sports.
When Mosley was at lightweight, Mosley was a superstar. He was extraordinarily fast, and had KO power in both hands. Then when he jumped up to welterweight, he was never the same. Sure, he pulled out a really good performance in his first fight against DLH, but it wasn’t anything like what he could do at lightweight.
Same with DLH. Same with Marquez. Same with Trinidad. Same with Roy Jones. Same with James Toney. Same with Diego Corrales. Same with Quartey. Same with Erik Morales. Same with Marco Barrera.
When you gain weight, you get slower. Period. When you get slower, you lose speed on your punch and you lose power. The only other boxer who went up in weight and got stronger and more powerful was Evander Holyfield … and there’s no doubt in my mind that Evander was hitting the juice. He was being trained by Lee Haney, 7 time Mr Olympia.
Anyone who remembers Holyfield at crusierweight remembers a skinny guy who could fight his ass off. He came up to heavyweight and looked like a freaking bodybuilder. Holyfield fought like Joe Frazier but looked like Flex Wheeler.
So for Pacquiao to have come up to welterweight from flyweight and actually improve his speed and power is just impressive, its indicative of PED use. Its like when Ben Johnson blew Carl Lewis out at the Olympics and he wasn’t some tall guy like Usain Bolt with a ridiculous gate and stride.
Boxing isn’t MMA. Its been around for over 100 years. The science is damned solid and Freddie Roach isn’t revolutionizing training to the point that some 5’6 asian dude who got beat by Erik Morales and outboxed by Marquez is now knocking out Cotto and DLH .. regardless of the conditions under which he accomplished it.
Even Roach’s mentor, Eddie Futch, wasn’t producing boxers who defied the understanding that greater mass equals slower speed, decreased power and more limited wind .. and Freddie Roach ain’t no Eddie Futch. He ain’t even half of what Futch was.
Pacquiao, like Holyfield, have acquired these granite, muscular physiques with muscle separation that is suspiciously identical to the effect you get with juice. There are just certain things you can’t do without juice. There are certain striations that you just won’t get without juicing and diuretics no matter how many pushups, crunches and squats you do.
Pacquiao can’t hide behind the veil of not being bossed around by Mayweather and keep his legacy intact. He’s got to take the test, There’s too much that points to him doping. If he and Roach have come up with some new and improved way of boxing then it should be no problem for him to dispel the rumors if the new and improved method is legal.
This fight won’t get made.
First the 14 day cutoff wasn’t acceptable.
Now it IS acceptable if and only if they use the independent agencies that MLB and the NFL use to do the testing.
Good lord. Mark Mcgwire and Jose Canseco anyone???
maywheather is a total nigga-dumb american. thats all folks
People say Mayweather is so smart since when does a smart person make 150 million dollars and than go broke in two years owes the IRS and has to beg Oscar for a loan to pay off the IRS. Anyone who loses that kind of money in that short amount of time has to be the most stupidest MF around
PACMAN ACOMPLISHED HIS MISSION , IT,S MAYWEATHERS’S TURN TO
WIN THEN MATCH UP WITH THE PACMAN. IF BABY FLOYD LOSE THEN HE DOESN,T HAVE TO SHOW NOTHING TO THE PACMAN. I WANT THE SUGARMAN TO WIN BECAUSE HE DESERVES TO WIN BIG MONEY FOR HIS
FUTURE AND LET THE BABY FLOYD DO THE TALKING, WINNING MILLIONS
IN HIS DREAMS TO PAY THE IRS OR GO TO JAIL LIKE HIS DAD AND
UNCLE ROGER THE WOMEN BEATER. THE FLOYD MUST LEARN THE PACMAN WAYS LESS TALK WITH MORE SMILE.
mayweather will beat pacquio because he is simply to smart he wont let pacquio corner him and pummel him but i want this fight to happen so badly imagine pacquio fighting someone who is fast has great head movment and a counter punch defense pacquio would finally be challenged at welterweight and so would mayweather i remember when these guys were lighter they had some amazing fights and now those classic battles of speed and skill will be brought back in the biggest fight of all time
@something: yeah he would take the tests if it’s mandated by the commission.. but he won’t dance to floyd’s tune.. he will abide by the commission if these protocols are done across the board but never for that jealous, ego-inflated flomo..
@Something
Pacquiao was not aware during the Morales fight that the Commission need another sample of his blood.
And he did agree to a blood testing with a 24 day cut off and immediately after the fight. And you’re saying that he needs to perform normal and act normal? what do you think he is? did Pacman used laser beams to knockout his opponents or did he turned into an Incredible Hulk?
Get your facts straight.
Just because no one has come forth with the evidence does not mean there isn’t any. And why would pacman use ped’s if he knew they were going to test his blood?
Once more, no one has accomplished what manny has, so of course speculation will rise, so just shut people up like me, take the tests randomly up to fight night, and perform like normal. It is just that simple. In this day and age where athletes are constantly slipping through the cracks of an outdated testing protocol, he has to do these things or there will always be some that will question if he is/was clean.
@Something
You don’t have valid proof so how come you’re accusing a man who is innocent?
As Pacman’s body ages he will gain more weight and thus it will be difficult for him to drop down in weight or stay in a particular weight. Self Discipline and Training is his tool to beat those guys bigger than him and he is the type of boxer that will not back down in a challenge.
In the Erik Morales 1 Pacquiao’s blood specimen was lost and the Commission needs another sample of his blood. So 2 days before the fight they draw blood from Pac. If Pac was juicing the commission should be able to determine any steroids or PED in his blood.
And if he is really juicing there should be a leak of information where Pac and his team get/Purchase that kind of Steroids/PEDs.
No of course not, only suspicion, but in an already dangerous sport why not go the extra mile and protect the fighters against possible cheats? Why not take the test? Only minuscule amounts of blood are taken, certainly not enough to hurt ones ability, and both fighters are exposed to it. Only reason i could see why one would not do this is because he/she is afraid of getting caught, especially when there is millions of dollars on the table.
@Something
Do you have any valid PROOF OF EVIDENCE?
Or you’re just Floyd’s SR. disciple.
Was pacman running through good opponents at a weight 2-3 weight classes higher? Did manny magically keep his speed, power, and stamina as he moved up? Almost 1300 hundred punches in his last fight, and that wasn’t just a beginning storm, he actually picked up the pace in the later rounds. Seems suspicious the only recent fight he lost was when he took rigorous blood tests. Kinda weird he wants to fight floyd so bad, but when the olympic style blood tests get mentioned he backs out…
@Something
Can you find any article about Pacman during the pre Hatton filght that he was Juicing or on Steroids?
Not until when Floyd Sr. covers up his shame of the KO loss of his fighter to pacman and then started the steroids accusation.
And do you have any proof??? You better watch out Pacman might also sue you!
@roy
What amazing if any records did lebron break? Usain went through olympic style blood testing before he broke the record so exactly who questions his credibility? Aside from that this is boxing, a contact sport. Your not sending people out on PEDs or roids to hit a baseball or shoot a basketball, these athletes are fighting for 36 minutes sometimes and getting hit hundreds of times. It is not only a matter of morals, but health too. There should be no problem with updating the ineffective testing regulations, it hurts no one and keeps the sport honest.
@KingDaddy
I totally agree!
I wonder who Freddie Roach and Bob Arum will pick to take a dive against Pacquaio now????? Im already hearing the name Margarito, another TOP RANK fighter. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, something fishy going on.
Here it comes, folks. Fraud’s “accident” or “hurt in training” excuse is being primed for release. It’s getting close to the date and no word on any drug testing protocols or dates or anything! We knew it all along that Fraud never intended to go toe to toe with the P4P. That’s the reason why he accepted all terms by Manny’s camp!
I use to work with a Philippino and he told me there are lot of good fighter’s in the Philippines but many are not discovered, many fighters fight fist fights for money in the streets. I don’t if this is true but he’s from the Philippines
There’s no way Mayweather can win over the power, speed and skills of Manny Pacman Pacquioa. NO WAY!
If ever he fights Manny which I think will never happen Floyd will get the beating of his life if doesnt use Clotteys clamshell defense. Theres just two ways to fight Manny, go toe to toe and the Clottey way which Floyd can do resulting in a loss.
dayyammmm
Ya ok im 100% american, white not fillipino. but if you wana talk ppv #s y compage last years floyd number a little over 1 million buys to pac in 2008 before the dlh fight. the cotto v pac fight did 1.25 mill buys beat floyd v marquez by a quorter of a million buys. typical floyd fan. only sees what you want to see. i bet you think mayweathers ko of hatton was much more impressive than pac’s. I dont dislike eather fighter but the truth is that allot op people dont like floyd for allot of good reasons. while those who dont like pac dont because they like floyd and they think you have to choose one and hate the other. nonses. im just sick of all the trash talking without any factual basis.
yawn, more filipinos trying to claim Americans don’t like Mayweather. SMH. That’s why a million plus PPVs were bought when he fought Marquez. Which was like, what, more than Pac-Marquez I and II, combined?
LOL, you filipinos are pathetic.
why americans dont like floyd.
1. he is so Fn full of himself, greatest of all time, i dont think so. honestly having a loss doesnt make you a bad fighter. taking on the best win or loose and giving your all, being competitive with top guys when you do loose is almost as good. Very few people would argue that Marciano is the greatest heavyweight of all time just because he never lost. clearly Ali or Lewis are the best despite their losses. how a fighter handels a loss says a lot about them.
2. he ducks fighters, all the great fighters faught guys who thy were the underdog against not floyd. never faught top gys in their prime, cotto, margacheato, pacman, berto, williams, rematch dlh.
3. he is so so borring. the american public rewaurd heroism, which floyd knows nothing about. its the reason everyone loved Arturo Gatti even though he wasnt one of the best fighters. Gatti and Paman have the heart and guts to fight that floyd has never shown in his carear. that why people love them it has nothing to do with technical boxing ability.
4. he thinks that he is bigger than the sport. i a sport whare there are a million political reasons why fights dont get maid the last thing we need is a guy who thinks he can make up his own rules. people were freekin chanting “we want floyd” after pac v cotto and floyd decides he is a doctor and a boxing commisioner and tries to make up his own drug testing protocal. (i dont care what you think there is no evidence that pac ever took anything ileagle, mosley is a different story) he found a reason to get out of fighting manny. now he is fighting a guy who everybody knows used steroids for years if that isnt hypacracy then what is. its not like if you take steroids for ten years and stop 3 months before a fight your going to be weakened, the steroids still bulked yhou up. mosley is a good opponent but given the testing controversy its the biggets crock ive heard of in a while.
5. no one likes trash talkers, especialy when they dont deliver KO’s. it was ok for tyson bc he backed it up by KOing everyone, floyd talks trash then just gives dancing lessons.
Any one who says manny is over rated or ducking opponents has less than no idea what they are talking about. just look at floys a fighter who built a reputation beating tamato cans like baldamir, judah, gatti, then making little guys like jmm and hatton come up in weight to fight him. honestly hatton couldnt beat mayweather at any weight he has no defense. And yes i would watch pacman throw almost 1300 punches against clottey any day before i watch mayweather run away from and take zero risks against jmm who couldnt even touch him. Mayweather is a booring fighter and overrated at that. No matter what anyone says pacmans most borring fight is still way way more apealing to sports enthusiasts than any persormance is floyds carear. why. pac doesnt run he fights somthing floyd needs to learn. if you totaly are outclassing an opponent why not take a chance floyd? he couldnt knock out baldamir one of the slowest least proficint boxers ive ever seen. or jmm or judah no KO and floyd was dominent. or delahoya. wake up people floyd is a good defensive boxer but is not worthy of being a ppv fighter. take risks before you become another julio cesar chaves jr. so so borring
why do lots of americans hate mayweather even though hes an american?…unlike the Philippines for Pacquiao all the people loves him!
@something
Records in all sports are made to be broken,if you equate outstanding acomplishment with cheating,therefore Michael Jordan,Usain Bolt,Armstrong and maybe Lebron James are cheaters,dont judge any person unless he is proven guilty.
pekpek
steroids dont give you what you need to throw 1000 punches, fighting bums that are just showing up to get paid does !! if he fights mayweather like that, he will get ktfo !! if he throws like 30 or 40 punches a round against floyd, he will just get busted up good..
if floyd really wants olympic style testing i reckon he should go and box there.
hypothetically if manny is using, i still think floyds got the advantage over manny and if he really is as great as he makes himself out to be, he should just man up and fight manny. roids or no roids.
Okay, okay we’ve heard it a million times . Pacman is an easy fight for Floyd . Now tell Floyd to stop insisting on these ridiculous tests. Its an easy fight ., isn’t it???? Hmmmmmmm….I thought so.
@Something
taking steroids doesn’t make a boxer throw over 1300 punches
@darkinside
excellent point regarding the random drug tests, we still don’t know about the who’s, the why’s, the when’s and the how’s of the drug tests.
I guess Floyd’s not really trying to clean up the sport of boxing, he’s just trying to clean himself up before he get’s dusted by Pacquiao.
@Something: is that you floyd?
Victor, Marghacheato and Cotto are bums they are just stand still fighters! The media always pump bad fighters up I dont get. Paul Williams is just tall but he got handled pretty well by martinez lol and martinez is no where near as good as Mayweather
Mayweather by UD and Manny gets knocked down, but not hurt. If berto proves himself this year to be a big money maker floyd sticks around, if not he retires. Manny regardless hangs them up for good.
No one in the history of boxing has been able to move up weight and retain, if not gain speed, respective power, stamina and agility like pacman has. This is not athleticism, it is cheating. One thing that i saw in the clottey fight was pacmans ability to throw about 1300 punches in 36 mins, something very hard to do, then add the fact manny was throwing with authority, how can anyone believe this is pure talent? The other thing i saw was manny’s susceptibility to straight right hands and uppercuts. Now imagine this coming from a faster more able fighter in mayweather. And one more thing, mayweather will not allow manny to put his foot on the outside, he is too smart and has better footwork. This will significantly reduce manny’s ability to get angles.
To those who keep on insisting that Pacquiao is just hype and is just an ordinary boxer: 1) Pacquiao was voted by the Boxing Writers Association of America (BWAA) as the boxer of the Decade (he won overwhelmingly over Mayweather); 2) Pacquiao is one of only 3 boxers who was voted as Boxer of the Year 3 times; 3) Pacquiao is the only boxer to have won 7 titles in 7 different divisions; 4) Pacquiao is the only boxer to have won 4 lineal boxing titles; 5) Pacquiao has been chosen by Ring Magazine (owned by dela Hoya) as the No.1 P4P boxer. These people who have bestowed accolades on Pacquiao can’t all be wrong!
Good article, lest wait and see, Go Pac.
another thing.. we are just 1 1/2 month away from may 1.. and there’s no news about the olympic style drug testing to done to both fighters.. no news on testings done.. no news on how many random tests would be made.. no news on whether the results would be made public.. there’s been nothing on any boxing sites talking about the testing procedures.. where are they? there’s even no news on who’s gonna be in charge of the testing protocols.. where is it?
@CharmCityKing: IMO, the fight won’t happen, not until the kind of drug testing procedure floydie wants gets implemented across the board.. pacquiao would follow the commission but he won’t bend for floydie.. another stumbling block for him would be SSM himself.. i’m sure the fight on may 1 would somehow resemble pac-clottey.. with ssm reprising the role of pacquiao and floydie doing a little more active clottey.. he won’t be standing cowering with the turtle defense instead he would be back-pedalling all night afraid to get caught in the ropes or get cut by ssm.. another stumbling block would be the surprising rematch clause coming from the challenger floydie.. and if pacquiao ain’t no legitimate challenger for the any welterweight belt that WhyTF do you think floydie is?
@diesel.. the fight was sanctioned by the ruling body.. if you got a problem with the why and hows then lobby a complain with the boxing organization.. and now that you’ve been taking the moral high road just like your boy then why the F don’t you ask your boy to explain himself for cheating at the weights.. another thing, asking another boxer to shed off 1 lb off from his previous fight ain’t exactly the same thing as asking another to bloat up to two weight classes.. and STFU about ducking mosley.. first he fought cotto who won over mosley and if the fight with clottey ain’t finalized when the mosley-berto fight fell through i’m pretty sure pacquiao would love to bang with him.. unlike your boy who got cornered into signing a fight with mosley cause he can’t fight the kind of boxer he ‘loved’ to fight cause he would get MURDERED in the public opinion after the JMM FIASCO..
diesel,
So your argument is that JMM didn’t complain. Neither did Cotto or ODLH, so don’t use that in your argument. You have to be consistent man, you can’t keep bouncing around using the same points as an advantage for one fighter but not the other.
Darkinside,
Yeah PAC is hyped and also that too was the first time MONEY asked someone to bloat up as you say, but JMM wasnt complaining either. so whats youre point, both guys did pretty much the same thing, and both PAC and MONEY came at weights that were comfortable to them. So both guys got advantages, thing is MONEy never had to force an opponent to put his belt on the line at a catchweight, also PAC never had to prove himself at WW he was just handed a tittle shot, wow so impressive, and PAC also ducked the much better WW when he ducked MOSLEY. WOW PAC is so Good?? hahaha yeah right MONEY would SMOKE him all night long.
charmcityking,
Well keep waiting doesn’t look like that fight is going to happen anytime soon.
charmcityking
amen brother, now see man your one smart guy. MONEY will expose PAC. MONEY will probly just toy with him. But make no mistake about it MONEY will WIN and make it look easy.
@kapirotada: yeah.. for you and these ‘boxing writers’ here in bn24 who are biased against pacquiao would always perceive him as ‘hyped’.. and these perceptions won’t change even if pacquiao beat up mosley and floyd.. and that’s the truth.. and yeah floyd have never ‘drained’ anybody cause he just want them to ‘BLOAT UP’.. ain’t it right jmm.. and FYI, the cotto’s fight the first time pacquiao fight in a catchweight.. cotto weighed in at 145 for his fight with clottey.. so 1 lbs aint ‘draining’.. even cotto admitted that taking off that 1 lbs would be no problem because he previously weighed at 145.. now about your boy floyd, he asks a smaller guy to ‘bloat up’ to weight classes up and HAD THE GALL TO COME OVER THE CONTRACTED WEIGHT AND PAY CHUMP CHANGE.. ain’t he grand?
So if PAC is such a strong puncher than the 10 oz gloves would not be much of a problem. hmmm interesting to hear, so then why should they have to use the gloves he wants, why not let the commision decide just like all the PAC fans want with the drug testing. and whatever rules the commision has for a fighter not making the weight. hmmm. I hear PAC fans saying the commision this and the commision this, then just let the commision decide the whole fight for them, whatever the commision says on the weight and the gloves. and yes PAC fans the drug testing that way it will be fair. and why do they keep saying PAC is a small welter, PAC fans are dumb as heck if he’s fighting at that weight then he’s a welter and he doestn desserve any speial treatment dang. This whole stuff makes PAC even more overrated he came up in weight so he’s a we;ter and should not be treated any different. MONEY never got any special treatment when he was coming up in weight and thats why MONEY is still p4p king not PAC
So if PAC is such a strong puncher than the 10 oz gloves would not be much of a problem. hmmm interesting to hear, so then why should they have to use the gloves he wants, why not let the commision decide just like all the PAC fans want with the drug testing. and whatever rules the commision has for a fighter not making the weight. hmmm. I hear PAC fans saying the commision this and the commision this, then just let the commision decide the whole fight for them, whatever the commision says on the weight and the gloves. and yes PAC fans the drug testing that way it will be fair. and why do they keep saying PAC is a small welter, PAC fans are dumb if he’s fighting at that weight then he’s a welter and he doestn desserve any speial treatment dang. This whole stuff makes PAC even more overrated he came up in weight so he’s a we;ter and should not be treated any different. MONEY never got any special treatment when he was coming up in weight and thats why MONEY is still p4p king not PACROID/PACWOMAN
Youre one FUNNY guy PAC fighting CLOTTEY was way worse than JMM-MONEY, PAC knew that for him it would be so not a PROBLEm that he didnt even need a catchweight for CLOTTEY, and if you are saying that the 2 pounds made a big difference then you are pretty much saying that those 2 pounds COTTO had to drop made a difference during his fight as well, Plus PAC also got to use the gloves he wanted, not the ones the commision has for WW fights he used his 8oz. And COTTO never really wanted to agree to the whole terms that were thrown at him, PAC whined about the GLOVES and WEIGHt, and after his constant whining he got his way and COTTO was destroyed, had it not been for those 2 pounds i still doubt COTTO would have won since he got destroyed and never really recovered from the MARGARITO fight, but For team PAC it was easy PICKINs, COTTO didnt wanna put his belt on the line, but team PAC pretty much forced him and we all know that to be true, so some champ PAC is he bullied COTTO throughout the negotiations. Now the JMM-MONEY fight both fighters were OK with it and MONEY DIDNt hav to whine to get his way because both fighters were OK with the contract. I dont ever remember MONEy making a fighter drain himself just so that he could fight with HIM. PAC is still the most overhyped BOXER i have ever seen.
wowza and houston;
Just not true
No they are saying Floyd has a history of badly injuring and breaking his hands in fights. Not that Manny has more power. But hey, i realize if u actually state all the facts and don’t lie, its hard to make Manny sound like he even has a shot at Mayweather, Mosley, Williams, or Berto. Good try though!
As I observes most of his fight….he let his opponent to hit him…how strong it is..Manny is a true warrior not like other their,who have stinky talks….
houstonsportsfan,
Exactly. So when Floyd fans say it’s an advantage to Manny, they’re inadvertently saying that Pacquiao is the stronger puncher. Which I believe is true.
Bill B,
I’ve been saying that since the fight, agree 100.
nobody truly knows who’ll beat be beaten up between the two. all have their own strength. They won’t be p4p kings for nothin. just wanna see their aszes in the ring and fight. no more bs.
And I do think Paul Williams should be able to fight Welterweight if he makes that 147.
Negotiations. Golden Boy didn’t want Dallas for some odd reason. 8 oz gloves an advantage for Pacquiao? Really? 10 oz gloves would be an advantage for Mayweather because Pacquiao is a smaller guy. If both had 8 oz, it isn’t any advantage to either guy. As a matter of fact, there is less padding on an 8 oz glove so if Pacquiao gets hit from Mayweather, it would do more damage from an 8 oz than a 10 oz.
Fight Time- Clottey 160lb, Manny 147lb wet.
Yes Manny took some big punches, a few really strong uppercuts, but my observation was NOT that Manny had poor head movement, but simply as he did with Cotto was testing himself to see how strong or how much he can take of Clottey’s best.
He wanted to get hit, he wanted it to be a fight, he wanted Clottey to engage, so there will be a chance to catch him with a big punch. Bottom line is, Clottey knew this and was afraid.
end of story.
boxing is getting better, many have began feeling it again……excepts for the few….
pleaze dont talk about MMA its split into factions that wont fight each other, why cant fedor fight guys in ufc? at least every body in boxing fights each other or has a chance to
Anyways thanks for you guys opinions I hope the sport can get better before it destroys itself. Peace
pac is a tiney 147 its a bit much to ask him to fight a guy that the legit 147 guys are ducking. i dont know the physical stats but the differences in height and arm length mush bue huge. mosley, mayweather and cloter are small compared to williams, he would make pac look like a midgit. he might as well fight klitchko
So Paul is too big for Pacquiao, but not Shane, and Floyd? Clottey probably came in fight night the same weight as P.Williams if not bigger.
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Well it’s about the cash/money what can I say. You want to keep a W, plus you want to get paid doing it. It’s the nature of the game. UFC/MMA pits best against best, no matter what they’ll eventually meet. Nonetheless who knows, in enough time it may take the same route as boxing. Seeing how those guys are more bone grass people I don’t see it happening though.
On a side note UFC/MMA and Boxing fans only have a 5% overlap. That’s pretty interesting don’t you think? Completely different audiences. I’m sure the smart business guys are figuring out how to get into each others market share, don’t see it happening though (yet). If boxing continues this p*ssy route run by promoters though, it may very well be the case.
After watching Pacquiao punish and destroy Morales, Barrera, Hatton,De La Hoya, Cotto and Clottey. I’m not so sure anymore. The guy’s too quiet, almost noble. He was absolutely puny next to Clottey during the weigh in who was half a head taller, heavier with a much longer reach – and this little dude just handed him his ass. UNBELIEVABLE!! Clottey said that it was the first time he had ever really lost a fight (referring to his split decision losses from before).
I’m going with Pacquiao from now on. Less talk more action.
oops
I think you need to give pacman a pass on paul williams. honestly paul is a natural 154 right now and will eventualy be a natural 160 mabey 167. he an make 147 if he kills himself and still be competative. mayweather, mosley, cotto are much biger and should definatly fight paul. but im realistic its not gunna happen
I just see it like if Tommy Hearns could make it in the welter weight division Paul Williams should be able to aswell. Ray Leonard and the other great welter weights of his era didn’t back down from Hearns regardless of his size, height, and reach; yet Pacquiao, Mosley, and Mayweather can make excuses not to fight Paul Williams and it’s ok. Are these the boxers we want to be mentioned with the other ATG’S?
Not me. The sport isn’t the same anymore.
manny now has a mandatory challenger for his belt, so he will have to fight kell brook first to keep the title for the mayweather fight, or will he retire?
ops,
PWill can fight at any weight he wants. The real question is, w/his size advantage, who would want to fight him at welter? The man is good, but he needs to get paid. IMO go full MW and fight guys your size. You’ll make some money, and a name for yourself. I don’t think Pac or May will fight the guy, too risky, and he’s not that well known outside the boxing community.
or floyd could just have a big mouth and an ego the size of the planet jupiter…floyd is a cherry-pickin’ nobody…if he wants manny then he sould fight manny no questions asked…he is clearly one of the greatest fighters ever(floyd)…if the the greatest…the greatest fighter who talked too much and fought fighters, even my three year old son could beat…
opps
your right i hate politics of boxing. paul should get a shot especialy agains mayweather or shane who have faught at 154. also i dont like haters just because they perfer one fighter to another no fighter is perfic or unbeatable.
kapirotada
anything is ok if the fighters agree to it. do you remember how your hero chery picked an old fighet jmm two weight classes lower then him agreed to a catch weight then broke the rules he agreed to and came in 2 lbs over the weight limit. wow thats an all time great if i ever heard of one man. floyd is guilty of anything you acuse pacman of. its true accept it. they are both great but pac has the better record. flod has a chance to change that. lets see.
@Moo
I don’t know about you but the fact that Paul. Williams can’t get a fight in the welter weight division makes any body that calls them self the best their look silly. I mean the belt that Pacquiao won from Cotto was the same belt P.Willams vacated cause he couldn’t get Cotto to fight him for it. As soon as P.Williams left Cotto fought for his vacated title. That sh*t is funny to me. Their is no best in the welter weight division unless they make things right and stop dodging Paul Williams.
Manny will make Floyd into submission like what he did to Clottey.
Otherwise, Manny will KTFO Floyd.
I guess it’s ok for PAC to run the negotiations like he did with COTTO then. MAKING him come down in weight and forcing him to put his belt on the line. wow thats some champ. If PAC doesnt get what he wants he wont fight plain and simple, if he could he would enforce a catchweight on MONEY-MAY. and gloves do make a difference that why they have be bigger at higher weights. PAC would not be able to hurt MONEy with 10oz gloves and it would slow him down. PAC wanted 10 MIl per pound over. now thats ridiculus. Strainght up PAC nut huggers who blame FLOYD for the fight fallig apart. AND PAUL WILLIAMS should be able to get a fight at WELTER if he can make the weight, thats why they are called weight classes, so if he can make the weight there should be no reason to not let him fight at welter.
Mayweather vs. Clottey
no one moves.
even if williams can no one will fight him at 147 its the truth
cant
Whatever people who like maywether can ecnoledge the greatnes of anyone excep of their king of borring fighter. But you guys are right of coarse mayweather should be in controle of the rules of the sport and decide testing protocall. gloves wow thats a huge advantage that pacman would have you are right cant dissagree with that logic
This question is off topic, but I just want to know everybodys
opinion. Do you think Paul Williams should be able to get a fight at welterweight?
@ YOU KNOW IM RIGHT
Hey man you are right I tottaly agree with you man. Finally a smart fan who knows whats up
MAn funny as hell MOO, straight up PAC nut hugger you are.
Hey moo didnt PAC get 8oz gloves he wanted when he was gonna supposedly fight MAYWEATHEr sounds like a PAC advantage to me, and didnt he get the penalty imposed on MAYWEATHER he wanted, if MONEY weighed in over the agreed limit. I dont recall MONEY getting anything he wanted during the negotiation the only thing he asked for would effect both fighters. PAC is the one who ducks when asked to fight even. PAC is no ATG, and never will be. HE doesnt wanna fight MONEY.
Sorry, I meant the “GUY’S CLEAN”.
@ kapirotada and You Know I’m Right
if Pacquiao is not yet an “All Time Great”, he’s pretty near to it. if Pacquiao is overrated, then boxing is overrated.
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kapirotada and other haters
mayweather v pacman was schedualed at 147 and so was clottey so get your facts straight if you gunna talk trash. what fighters whould you have the Pacman fight if he is supposidly cherry picking his opponents.
kapirotada
If you gunna talk trash get your facts straight, the Mayweather v Pacman fight had been agreed to at 147. and the Clottey fight took place at 147. cherry picked opponnents is a joke the list of fighters Pacman put away not only has better fighters but much more of them. who would y
kapirotada
Pacquiao is an overrated hyped up Bob Arum project. He will manipulate all of you little munchkins to believe Floyd is the issue, when in reality Arum will do everything possible to avoid a fight with Mosely and Mayweather. He will hype the fight to get the biggest payday possible, then Mayweather will kick Pacquiao’s ass all over the place.
Bob gets paid and he no longer cares!
Valero will get exposed when he moves up to 140.
PAC is the most overrated boxer i have ever seen, He can never be an ALL TIME GREAT, hope he can change minds, but i doubt it him and his crew will continue to CHERRY PICK opponents PAC will easily beat, he’s like JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ JR. i doubt he will fight MOSLEY and if he does he will impose a catchweight cause he knows he wont beat him unless he has an advantage, just like the ones he wanted against FLOYD, but when FLOYD agreed he got scared and blamed the fight breaking up on floyds blood tests, but it was just PAC being scared knowing he would be fighting an elite fighter who would expose him for the Cherry Picking Fruad he is. PAC will never be in the same league as MONEY. At least MONEY is fighting MOSLEY and he’s doing it without a catchweight. MONEY ducks no one, but he does want a fair fight
fmj ex-man,
I agree 100 man. Floyd already stepped up choosing to fight Mosley, now step up and show you can throw it down like the old days. He’ll never go toe to toe, but I’d like to see him go for a KO. He had a chance to KO Marquez, but instead he chose to pit pat away to a UD against a much smaller man. Chest back, chin up on May 1st and show us the Floyd of the LW years.
The only thing this paul williams ever laced is a pair of floyd’s nuts in his mouth…what an obscene piece of gonorrhea laden wad…
Bradley is movin up to ww n fightin carlos abregu undefeated 29-0- 23 kos!! The fight will be at 147!!! This will either be a great move for bradley or a huge mistake!!!
it’s so funny 2 me that people think manny can beat floyed manny had so many problem’s with marquez and marquez at his best is no floyed so i really hope it happen’s lol and manny aint really that much better he’s still the same boxer 2 me right jab straght left good foot work but still take head shots lol
PAC is Cherry picker. He will never fight FLOYD and if he does he will only do it if he has an advantage. he knows FLOYD would SCHOOL him all night long.
HAHAAH I laugh when i hear people think PAC will knock out FLOYD, yeah right PAC is most likely a cheat considering how he ran when they were gonna test him randomly, and he says he wants to fight FLOYD. whatever PAC will leave when the negotiations begin just like last time. PAC aint KING and never will be unless he man’s up, but i guess he’ll always be a PINAY. hahah PAC ducks fighters.
FACTS FOR YOU PEOPLE:
PED ISSUE
- Pacquiao never tested positive on PED ever if you watch how he train you’ll know he he got his power and stamina
- Mayweather is guilty of using PED (xylocaine) used to numb the? hand (a DRUG to enhance pain tolerance which ENHANCE the PERFORMANCE of a boxer)
- Pacquiao agreed on Drug testing 24 days and RIGHT AFTER THE FIGHT (as good as random testing)
- Mayweather disagree on 24-day window eventhough Ellerbe and Schaefer agreed on
- PAcquiao abide with the rules and do not create his own rules (imagine if he asked for a 10 minutes per round rule)
- Mayweather don’t want to clean the sport ’cause if he does he would go directly to the Authority to petition it and not creating his own rules besides he doesn’t care about other’s fight he’s only concern about his fight so it goes to say that cleaning sport is BS
WEIGHT ISSUE
- Pacquio never cheat on scale, he actually always below the maximum weight limit
- Mayweather is guilty of cheating on the scales and yet unable to knock out a slow/bloated Marquez
CONCLUSION
PAcquiao – clean fighter
Mayweather – cheater/ducker
One last thing people need to stop hating on Pacman and Maywearher, they are both Fn amazing. People everywhare need to wake up and realize that the “mega fight” floyd v manny could be borring, eather a maywearher shut out so so boring, or a pacman clinic like against clottey still not exciting. The real best fight in boxing if Sugar Shane Mosley v Manny Paciao. Complained about mayweather v jmm or pac v clottey. Shane Mosley v Manny Paciao is the answer to every boxing fans prayes a fight that could go eather way that is guaranteed to be a fight of the decade and a slugfest from the first bell to the enevitable KO. We all need to start demanding this figt not mayweather who realy cares if he is undefeated so is julio cesar chavez jr. I pay to see good fights and Mosley always delivers agains offensive fighters.
At moo
Yea valero can clean up the division at 140 but the problem is he’s already over 30 bradley is great but his power is questionable holt drop him cold comin in!! Can u imagine pac catchin bradley comin in the same way holt did!! He won’t get up!!
A strong offense beats a good defense anytime … I’m sorry for Floyd but Pacquiao is just too fast and much too explosive for FMJ to handle. I believe Floyd might even resort to doing a “Clottey” on us fans just to survive a relentless Pacquiao onslaught. Dude, Floyd has gotta show more grit and get really aggressive when he fights Sugar on May 1st. I stopped watching Floyd’s fights coz all these defense (running around from opponents) he does in the ring is just boring. I don’t care for too much defense, I want to see real fights worthy of being called great fights by great warriors. Anyway, my money is on Mosley to win so I can look forward to a Manny-Sugar slugfest. I’m betting heavy on Mosley at great odds.
Mario you are totaly right id love to see valero v pacman. Mabey if valero beats up some of the top guys at 140 which could give him or anyone trouble, im talking Bradley, Khan, Alexander. But im not holding my breath to see Paul Williams fight at 147 again i dont think any of the top guys below 154 will fight Williams. He is so avoided he can hardly find a fight at 160. No one wants to fight guys who averages 100 or more punches a round, which is the same reason i believe pacman will beat mayweather. volume.
Pretty Bashed Floyed most likely will have a dislocated shoulder once he meets Pac. Maybe he still thinks he is fighting JMM.
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Why is everyone on a rush to get the megafight on!! It will maybe be the end of both fighter then wat would we talk about lol!! One more fight pac plz before u put ur career on the line against floyd
If floyd beats mosley
Floyd vs williams
Pac vs valero
Winner vs winner
True winner will be us!!
bradley vs valero or khan will be fun to watch
The guy has hugo chavez on his chest!! Lol they can sell this fight!! Pac vs a terrorist!!!
Good points. You didn’t dwell enough on the main point of this article though. Even though you know what Pacquiao is going to do, jump in and out, it’s much harder to stop in person. Clottey’s lack of work rate shows that. More importantly though it really is the fact that he is unpredictable. Sometimes he’s jabbing from the outside, out of no where he’s in an infight throwing 6-7 punch combinations.
It is predictable in the sense you know what he’ll do, but not when he’s going to do it. It’s not like an 8 count dance step, there’s no rhythm. He’s in, then out. It’s like wtf!?!? It’ll be a battle of minds w/Floyd. Floyd’s unbreakable defense vs. Manny’s erratic offense. A must see fight.
At moo
That’s wat everyone thought about pac’s speed n power but he prove them wrong!! Valero may not even hurt pac but it will be one heck of a fight!! Valero has been callin pac for a long time!! N the undefeated perfect ko record is a great seller!!
At mario. mabey one day but i doubt it ever happens pluss did you see manny eating cotto’s left hands like they were nothing. only person i see hurting pacman is mosley because he has the power of a true 147 fighter. valero is untested at 140 or 147ht and his power may not translate so well against 140 and 147 lb fighters
I love boxing
mark your calendar May 1st mosley vs mayweather…….mosley will preval
on november mosley vs pacquiao…huge market…if mosley defeat mayweather…..he will get all mayweather fans……this will be huge!!!
At moo
I agree expect if valero n pac fight I think the catchweight should be around 142 both can meet halfway!!I think pac will knock valero out but I think pac will get knock down in the fight!! I will pay to see that fight ringside!!!
To whoever said “Williams, Floyd, Valero, Gamboa, John, Marquez Mosley would ALL destroy the pilipino fool and send his butt back home”
SO DUMB lets take a look why
Williams a middle weight no one at 147 will fight him not even your belovid mayweather. mabey floyd and manny should just fight the kiltchko brothers to prove how great they both are.
Valero only has one fight at 135 two weight classes below pacman and looks like a young pacman before he had a right hand. good fight but you cant beat pacman at his own game especialy giving up 12 lbs
Gamboa fights at 126 so good luck fighting the p4p champ 21 bls up. a joke
John im assuming chriss john who would give any one problems but again 126 lb fighter. another joke
Marquez couldnt beat manny in 2 fights he is at the end of his carear. whould be an entertaining fight but hes not the man he was in the first two fights.
Mosley actualy would be the best fight in boxing it would be impossible to predict a winner and would probably look allot like hagler v hearns. lets pray this happens
Mayweather well thats the big question but i thing the non stop volume and iron chin of pacman is to much for Money Mayweater
At sniper
Doesn’t matter he gain weight n kept his speed!! To be honest I think floyd doesn’t wanna fight pac cuz pac is a serious risk to his 0 but that doesn’t mean floyd can’t beat pac
@Anonymous
Why don’t u just say u hate pac!! Gamboa n john at 126? They will need to carry their speed n power 20 ibs more to get to 145 is not impossible cuz manny did it but I doubt it!! Williams stays busy but is kinda slow!! I agree with valero he has speed n power but most important he has heart!!
Any one who doesnt think Pac put on a good show is a mayweather lover who cant stand the success of PAC the true p4p king. Why no KO because some guys dont get KO’ed ask mayweather about JMM if you dont believe me. To ask a true lightweight to KO a guy margarito couldnt hurt is quite a task. Also their is no way a guy like mayweather who doesnt have much power can keep PACMAN off is a joke. No matter how great mayweathers defense is he will never beat PACMAN with just defense. And is mayweather opens up he is taking a huge risk of being KO’ed. To beat PACMAN mayweather would have to fight, not just stick and moove, and personaly ive never seen him do it and seriosly doubt he can last agains the kind of body punnishment Pacman is sure to deliver since hitting maweather in the head is not very easy. Im not saying Pac will KO mayweather but it will be a near shut out if mayweather fights like he always does, without taking any chances.
@mario
floyd started @ 106 in the amateur ranks
pac turned pro immediately.
can you tell the difference? and besides Mayweather is the bigger guy than pac. so why is he scared to fight a smaller guy than him?
Williams, Floyd, Valero, Gamboa, John, Marquez Mosley would ALL destroy the pilipino fool and send his butt back home
@sniper
Floyd also started at 106 n moved up to 154 thru is career so just stop it plz!! Is good that u a pac fan but don’t hate on floyd’s career
Pacquiao started his career when he was still 16 years old at 106 lbs. He climbed up in weights up to welterweight 147 lbs. and manage to beat guys bigger than him.
If you think Mayweather is greater than Pacquiao have him go up in weight up to middleweight to super middleweight let’s see what he got.
How about all the fans that travel to see hatton only to see him get ktfo in wat 5 minutes of boxing? Lol u complain about payin to watch but true fans travel miles to watch
XSPOT
hahaha man your funny. PAC got hit by a slow defensive fighter, MONEY is just as fast as him or mayber even faster. If PAC got hit by CLOTTEY he will definitley get hit all night by MONEY-MAY. HAHAHA to say that PAC laid out the blueprint to beat a defensive fighter is laughable, only if the fighter is slow and has no heart, I dont remember PAC shutting out JMM, he was a defensive fighter, I did see PAC duck a rematch with JMM though. I remember the real nuber 1 rated welter was willing to come down to 142 or 143 to fight him and put his belt on the line, but PAC ducked him too. I also remmeber that PAC was going to fight the real P4P KING, but he didnt know how to compromise, PAC got his way in regards to the gloves and penalty for coming in over the weight which would only be advantages to him, but when the real P4P king asked for tests that both would go through and would benefit neither fighter I saw he ducked him too. wow PAC will only beat quality opposition if he has a big advantage over them. he has yet to beat an elite defensive fighter. I still laught when i hear PAC is P4P. and always will until i am proven wrong. hahahah
Xpot?
Wat u talkin about? Tv analog wat? Anywayz I hope u right cuz I wanna see floyd get ktfo!!! The whole card was ppv worthly it just didn’t live up to the hype!! U can’t blame anyone expect clottey for not bring his heart to the ring!! As for the undercard? Its been years since we had a good undercard so why start hatin now!!
@chale man
U know wats ur problem? U don’t like boxin!! If u wanna see ko’s or brawlin watch mma!! The fight wasn’t good but don’t overrate pac cuz of it!! Lol am mexican n like jmm but jmm needs to wake up if he thinks he has a chance against pac !! Pac is a different more powerful fighter!! Diaz had jmm against the ropes!! It will be sad to see pac ko jmm!!
you know im right…..hey you are right again……do you want a tv I got 2 old analog here…..but it can receive broadcast from HBO ha ha ha ha
do you want it……RIGHT!!!!!
Floyd fought for 40 times, then retired and it’s only now that he’s decided he wanted to clean up his sport. LOL. What a joke. And Max Kellerman was right, Floyd is implicitly saying this version of Pacquiao who can potentially be on steroids is somebody he doesn’t want to get in the ring with. And btw, Floyd turned down a rematch with De La Hoya even though the previous fight was the highest grossing fight of all time. Now why is that? I thought he’s all about the MONEY?
Money is not an issue here. THAT fight should have been on Spike TV, not PPV. It wasn’t even HBO worthy.
Xpot
I hope ur right!! Cuz if u are it will be a great nite for boxin my house!!! All smilez!! But if floyd wins I hope ppl don’t bring up mosley’s age n past his prime bullsh*t!!
WOW Seeing this atrocity I see that PAC Is the most overrated fighter ever, this was his most boring fight and he could not even bring the knock out his coach was rambling about the whole time. geez, and they call PAC P4P king, yeah right, fighting fighters who have come off of big losses, DUCKING quality opposition, Not defending his tittles, He ducked JMM, MOSLEY, and most recently MAYWEATHER. Just goes to show he’s all hype. Glad i did not even PAY for this atrocity.
Well in my perspective mosley will KO mayweather at 8. Pacquiao shows the formula how to defeat a defensive fighter. mosley will pattern his fight against mayweather…….I’m sensing PACQUIAO VS MOSLEY.Its ime to say goodbye to mayweather.
mayweather fans wanted more the pacman vs pbf match than the pac fans. why? because it will catapult floydie to the top. But if pacman beats floydie and mosley. they want pacman fight bigger fighter like jr middle weight and middle weights. please open your eyes look at manny paquiao size not even 5’7″.
Ppl discredit pac’s win over cotto cuz they say cotto was shot!! Bullsh*t!! Is not like pac hasn’t been in wars!! Cotto had a great trainin camp n in great shape!! He just got beat!! Pac fought morales marquez n barrera all wars n now they say his opponent are weight drain or shot!! Lol give the guy a break!!
Xpot
Who’s better? I think pac is better but that doesn’t mean floyd can’t beat him!! I think the media got the fans thinkin the only fight worth watchin is pac vs floyd!! Lol there plenty of other great fights!! I wish this whole megafight didn’t happen it hasn’t done boxin any good
Xspot: Neither is great yet.
True that Mario. Its like basketball, some fans hated the Celtic, but you had to respect their game. Same thing with Mayweather. You can hate his trash talking and arrogance but don’t bet against the dude because he has skills. Floyd brings the hate on himself but I doubt he gives a $hit. He likes it being the bad guy. It brings in more PPV numbers.
Truboxingfan: Mayweather will beat Mosley. Mosley will go in there trying to fight him like he did Margarito and get clocked everytime. People forget that Margarito was slow as hell and that made Shane look fast as hell. Mosely will play right into the trap.
@You know am right
If u spend 50 by urself on the ppv then u a loser n stop cryin!! Get a few friends n order the fight!! Ppl who usually complain about the ppv are not true boxin fans!! That like blamin the nba for havin teams like the nets or the nfl for the lions!! Why go pay to watch them live lol
did i say that………….look back
you’ll losing your grip….j.
who is better pacquiao or mayweather
you are right……XXXX again….hey you are good ha ha ha
That fight was a boring, WASTE of everyone’s time and money/ $30 bucks was too much. Should have been $5 bucks for everyone with a free beer coupon. Probably 200,000 PPV Buys.
Poor, poor PPV sales. Mayweather will demand a 70/30 split because the Mayweather/Mosely fight will be 2.7 M PPV Buys.
Xpot
U said he was overrated n have mosley winnin like if floyd doesn’t stand a chance!! I hope mosley wins but get real come on mosley is a huge underdog
Mario who is greater pacquiao or mayweather????
no one is discrediting him…..but you can see he evidence……MAY 1 or goodbye!!!
@truboxingfan
I didn’t say floyd was a all time great!! I said floyd is among the greats of this decade!!! He’s not even on the top 20 of all time boxin great!! but in this decade him n manny are among the greats
Xpot
I can’t blame floyd on that cuz is not illegal accordin to the commission !! Don’t get me wrong I hate floyd n every time I watch him I want him to get ktfo n just once but twice!! N maybe step-on a few times lol but he was skill!! Don’t discredit a fighter cuz of his personality
mario,
mayweather will lose to mosley by ud. as for all time great? ummm, i rank mosely above mayweather.
mario you forgot the xyloc??? ha ha ha
Truboxingfan
U call urself a true boxin fan but think floyds skill is overrated lol!! I mean I agree pac may be able to beat floyd but floyd is among the greats of this decade period!!! Floyd doesn’t fight he boxes!!
Xspot, but he was landing most of his shots with ease! This guy has to have a bad case of the dumbass or he is really stupid. He could be one of the top competitors if he would just throw more punches. I don’t think anyone can hurt this guy. He is built like a brick $hit house and has a head made of pig iron.
if you look at any of pac-man’s previous fights he has a problem with fighters who move around the ring. Look at the early rounds it is evident. Mayweather will be the first fighter who has equal if not faster punching ability and maybe even better stamina then him. And we all know that Floyd does not stop moving for 12 rounds. I firmly believe that this fight is not in manny’s favor and for some odd reason Floyd seems to get to manny mentally which history has proven works!
Xpot..
Great fight plan for team pac!! But it wasn’t like clottey was lost I mean he was cuttin the ring pretty good n makin manny work the whole ring but when he was close it was a 1 2 n stayin there!! He wasn’t even talkin back at his trainer!!
mayweather has to be the most OVER rated fighter of this generation. He knows it and will realize again when he loses to Mosley. Mosley may be old, but he’s too tough to lose to OVER rated mayweather. He’s a thug like the rest of his family…
I think its really hard for clottey in timing his shot…..he completely lost his rhythm….because of the well effective fight plan of pacquiao.
Can u imagine clottey holdin manny n poundin away at pac body thru the whole 12 rounds!!lol the uppercut was workin!! I feel sry for his team lookin at his fighter not respondin n throw the fight away!! The whole team the whole 50000 there knew he was losin every round !! Clottey wtf!!! Lol
I like the article, but the fight’s all in the feet. Can Floyd move his feet, set and fire on the run? Yes he can, but with how much power? We have seen in the last 8 fights Manny firing just after a receiving a jab, even a double jab in order to land one of his bombs, or a 5-7 hit combo. We saw in the last 4 fights Pac throw crazy counters off of his opponent’s solid jab. Why? Because the front foot is set, and the jab has to come back to guard position.
If anyone who thinks that force of will doesn’t play a part in this boxing game is a chump and a clown. So, with equal talent, speed, or power, who wins? The person who is more resolute. If this fight ever happens, it will be insanely profitable for boxing world wide… And you know I am definitely right.
Mario I thougth that as well but didn’t see Manny’s punches having any effect. Then I waited and waited and waited but the guy keep playing peek a boo. I was like damn, this looks like a sparring session.
its well planned ..pacquiao caught clottey off guard on the very first round……..all guns where firing when the bell rang……before clottey realize what to do……pacquia already conquered him…….TEAM PACQUIAO DID A GREAT JOB……THAT’s STRATEGY
not like the MAYWEATHER VS MARQUEZ,
The bigger fighter overweight himself to gain more advatage to the smaller man……WHAT A STRATEGY. ha ha ha ha.
I like clottey but he’s done!! Not cuz he lost cuz he showed no heart!!! Remember when diaz said that after he was knock down by marquez he thought fu*k it either he knockin me out or am knockin him out lol!! Now that’s heart!! It was dumb cuz he didn’t hold instead but showed heart!!
Hahahahahaha I think you are right. Clottey didn’t know what was going on in his head. He came out dancing like he was going to shock the world. Well he did shock us but not how he was expecting. I know Manny didn’t hurt him at all. That’s why I don’t understand what happened. The guys head looks like an anvil.
Dbeals
Me n my buddies thought he was just testin manny power n waitin to corner him or against the ropes!!
Xspot, Mayweather will beat Mosely and I will be back here to say I told you so.
@ dbeals..
I don’t think even clottey knew what was going on in his own head.
Mario, This fight had me puzzled from round four on. I told my wife “What is he doing? waiting for Manny to tired?” What really puzzled me was him coming out in the llth and 12th round with the same peek a boo style. Obviously his trainers didn’t know what was going on in his head.
The whole point of clottey bein a tough opponent was cuz ppl said he gave up on cotto n let cotto off the hook n he goes n do this it!! Showed no heart!! Remember when diaz said that after he got knocked down by marquez he thought fu*k it either I get kfto or I’ll knock him out!! Lol now that’s heart!!
Mayweather would smash on PAC after seeing this sham of a fight, sure do hope this happens.
You are right …….definitely….. you are
you are snoring loud so ….we have to wake you up…..do you have nightmares?
@dbeal
Lol even after the fight he said he knew he lost the fight !!! Wtf u think!! He needs a trainer like trinidad sr. To slap him around between rounds!! I think he lacks heart n u can’t teach that!! He was title a devastated brawler!! I bet even arum was disappointed!! His team did more trash talkin then him!!
Bob I think Pac vs Cotto was better than Pac vs Clottey.
Author, you have much too much sense to be a Pacquiuao fan. Most Pacquiao fans only see Pacquiao, Pacquiao, Pacquiao.
I think the styles of both Mayweather and Pacquiao plays to each others’ strengths and weaknesses. This will force each of them to do what the other does best.
Pacquiao will come at any opponent including Mayweather with his relentless blitzkreig. This will force Mayweather to react quickly and counterpuch with lightening quick reflexes…no problem for Mayweather. He will be forced to be more offensive.
Everytime Pacquiao opens up to begin punching, he will eat jabs to his chin and chest, and hooks to the gut and teeth. Uppercuts will connect at will. Pacquiao will be forced to cover up and be defensive for the first time in his career.
Unfortunately, it benefits Mayweathers’ style most.
And you know I’m right!
Mario, Manny was hitting gloves most of the fight because of the turtle style of defense by Clottey. Pacman landed just 20 percent of his punches compared to Clottey’s 27 percent. Most of those were to the body. Manny’s punch output was definitely higher, but I just didn’t see Clottey doing anything to win the fight even in the last 3 rounds when he knew he needed a knock out. Maybe he was scare, I don’t know but the fight looked phony to me. Clottey lacks motivation but has never been shut out. This didn’t appear to be a tuff fight for him. So I don’t know what was going on in his head. I do know he will have trouble getting a fight with the elite from now on. When you get this opportunity you should leave that ring knowing you gave it your all. He can’t say that.
@bob
I was agreein with u until u metion african don’t bring race into this!! All boxers have different styles no matter there race
Pac vs Clottey was one of Pac’s best fights. Clottey was very noticeably the bigger and stronger of the two. Clottey gave pac more damage with one punch than pac’s combos on clottey. This was a demonstration that speed and timing can negate one of the strongest african boxers.
I’d like to see how Floyd does against Clottey or Cotto. Would it be close?
We’ll sure know after May 1 if Mayweather really isn’t afraid of fighting Pacquiao.
Clottey should get trinidad sr as a trainer so he can slap the sit out of clottey between rounds!! I gotta get this idea of the fight bein fix out of my head is killin me as a fan!!lol
manny will loose on cuts
I think his new trainer wanted to win more then him!! He should had told clottey he was goin to stop the fight if he didn’t fight back!! N then the whole huggin before round 12? Wtf clottey is good that u respect outside the ring!! The whole dance he did that looked like he was hurt n the hug n the fact he didn’t really respond to his corner!!!
It is gonna happend… They just doing tha so called hype…. Tha more attention they get, tha more money they get,… It’s all about tha benjamin ya’ll.. They just saving tha 2 great 4 LAST…
well for mayweather he have to defeat mosley or else GOODBYE!!!!
Team Pacquiao did a good job, well planned……It’s like chess…..They made a perfect opening moves…
Clottey was held back…..dont know what to do,,,,,it was already late to come up for a solution…
Roach and other members of team Pacquiao, and especially to paqcquiao..
JOB WELL DONE.
That’s the problem. I didn’t see fear. If Clottey was afraid for his life I didn’t see it.
Ricky like Manny?? Got it all wrong!! Lefty vs righty is a very difficult fight for both May and pac since their free hands are opposed. nOw who is quicker to pull the trigger wins. The reach advantage neutralizes the speed advantage of Pac over May but the lefty power of Pac also neutralizes the defense of mayweather. beleive it is like seeing Pac as Marquez and Ricky combined while May will appear LIke himself and Hopkins. WHO WINS??
I’ll hate to say its fix cuz it will kill boxin as a sport but I think clottey was just discourage when manny kept hittin him!! He had a fight plan but choked!!
Pacquiao has proven in his last two fights that he CAN take the beating given two him by his opponents, it’s part of the game. Now Floyd is saying he won’t allow himself get hit like that, then what will he do, hit & run? or hit & hide? then it’s not a move by a true pound for pound boxing king. What do you call it then?
fix……or afraid……………ii got a differnet meaning with this………..
dont blame it to someone…….when you are afraid to lose.
The whole megafight was only goin revive boxin for one nite for the media n casual fan!! If floyd wins pac will retire with cash n floyd will retire undefeated n then wat?lol all this stupid talk for one fight!! Fights to look for
Valero vs bradley
marquez vs khan
Angulo vs williams
Let’s face it Pac fans, if the May/Mosley fight went off like Pac/Clottey with Mosley barely challenging like Clottey, you’d all be crying the ‘fix’ was in. Some of you were crying ‘fix’ when May/Mosely signed saying Shane would take a dive for Floyd.
Was this a ‘fix’ by Top Rank for Manny?? We were told this would be his toughest fight?? Two Top Rank guys, Arum the boss. What’s up?
@CRO FOR real you seen mayweather run away all his fights.Hmm i seen all of mayweathers and never seen him run.MAY B you can the fight on youtube,give me the title and i’ll check it out. O by the way i’m guessing all the opponents that mayweather knocked out knocked themselves out chasing mayweather.
skillwise……..mayweather has the edge.
BUT planning and strategy
and character/courage…..Pacquiao has very huge lead…..
Pacquiao will always win even with berto, mosley, or mayweather…..
After the May 1st fight,IF its going to happen. The next fight
should be between the P4P #1 and #2(winner of the Mosley/May fight).
I would rather see a more entertaining fight(Pac/Mosley),
But a beatdown wouldn’t be too bad either(Pac/Mayweather).
Everybody knows that Floyd has great dfence…. But that’s not gonna b a factor…. He have 2 attack manny., like I said b4 manny’s style evrythang cums from rythim.. U can’t just all dfece , or nor counter punch.. Or else it is gonna rain.. 1200-1500 punches.. That’s is not a joke.. Cuz who evah manny’s opponent.. He’s gonna attack him.. From start 2 finish.. Cuz that’s all he have.. He had no plan b..
@ MARIO
You are right it’s ridiculos why we have so many posts by Mayweather fans trying to play down Pacquiao’s acheivements and vice versa.
I am a massive Pacquiao fan and I will be supporting Shane Mosley all the way on May 1 becouse I would love to see Floyd Mayweather loose!!
But come on Manny Paquiao fans lets acknowledge a great fighter and Mayweather fans do the same whether you like them or not they are pound for pound the two best fighters in the world!!!!!!!
Pacman vs Clottey was a joke. Not Manny’s fault. He did what he was suppose to do. What scares me is it almost seems like Clottey took a dive for Top Ranks and collected the cash. Why do I say this? For one Clottey had no trouble connecting with Manny. He just refuse to throw punches. I’m not buying this he was scare stuff. Manny had trouble hitting Clottey except to the body. That’s why he said it was a difficult fight. Both guys are with Top Rank and Manny is the star. Hopefully nothing fishy went on.
Manny’s style is perfect for Mayweather. He will be picked apart because his weaknesses are Mayweather’s strengths. As the writer said, Pacman is susceptible to upper-cuts and counters–two punches Mayweather can throw with extreme accuracy. Mayweather is also a much better defensive fighter than Manny. With that said, like him or not…Mayweather will have both Manny’s eyes swollen shut. They will have to stop the fight.
JIMDUDWING.. BRO I COULDNT OF SAID ANY BETTER MYSELF.. EXCELLENT POINT… U JUST COUNTER THIS ENTIRE ARTICLE WITH UR COMMENT LMAO
I think pacman will win … Floyd is great but pacqiao is greater.. Floyd has never faced a man who is welling to take everything he’s got to win, even take punches to open you up as he dud in the clottey fight … Hell same thing he did in the cotto fight . However, the only way Floyd will win if he is welling to take chances , takin a risk to get to pacqiao before he gets to him . Floyd will have to let his hands go, because pacqiao is coming to hurt Floyd . It’s going to be a good fight though …
The casual fan n media were the most interested in the megafight every other true fan don’t really mind waitin cuz there plenty of great stuff goin on on boxin!!
Boxin is divided into 2
Pac fans vs floyd fans!!
Lol wat has boxin fallen too
duke really…….
If Pretty Boy is going to use his defense against Pacman, it’s going to look like Pacamn vs Clottey. Mayweather, just like clottey will not be able to throw a punch in fear that he’ll open himself up to Pacman’s offense. You can only counter when you have that timing, but what can you do when there is never a good time because 1300 punches are coming your way? Clottey and Cotto couldn’t get pass Pacman’s machine guns! I don’t think Mayweather can either…and in terms of points…Pacman will out point Mayweather because of the all the punches he throws..the percent land doesn’t matter…what matters is the number landed!
floyd’s transition between defense and offense is ten times quicker than clottey. plus floyd’s got good legs and will use them. floyd vs manny will end up like floyd vs ricky. manny will get reckless and jump into a floyd counter. i give manny all the credit in the world beating clottey. its his best victory since the marquez rematch. but him getting a pass for not wanting to take random blood testing is BS. watch arum set up margarito for manny the second floyd brings it back up.
Yo I respect mayweathers skills but manny fights all of the top fighters over the last few years and is getting better. If U want to be the man U have to beat the man and mayweather doesnt have enough quality wins against top fighters in his weight class let alone boxing.
gspot …….whoahhhhh boxint out of the ring…..why not shooting
well spoken i agree
@ Floyd “money”
If I’m not mistaken none of the people who were Balco clients ever failed a drug test. If it weren’t for Jose Canseco blowing the whistle who knows how many athletes would still be on the juice. Balco reached boxing, track n feld, baseball and there’s no reason to believe it didn’t reach football or basketball. I forget who asked Conte the dude from Balco about whether or not he believed Pacquaio was on steroids and he said if he’s on something it most likely would be for endurance instead of strength, pretty similar what Mosley was taking. And he went on to say look at the Mosley-DLH fight and see how he still looked fresh in round 12.
Floyd money (rhyme with phony….meaning chicken) haha
just beat mosley or else GOODBYE!!!!! ha ha ha ha
After looking at the Clottey fight and going back to Pacquaio’s rise to fame, it occured to me the thing Freddie Roach and team has noticed in picking these opponents Manny faces simply put none of these fighters clinched Pacquaio. Face it he’s a rhythm fighter, whats the best way to disturb that rhythm grab him. Make him think more instead of being able to throw at will. Now if you look at Mayweather fights, he’s mastered clinching. People see the action of Manny but don’t see the entire grand scheme of things and how Mayweather can frustrate opponents and make them fight his fight. Mayweather showed in his fight against Marquez a jab that he seldom uses and it kept the shorter smaller man at bay. Everyone pressures Mayweather but when you’re getting tagged and swing wildly you change your game plan, Pacquaio will be no different
Floyd says Manny is one dimensional. I would say Floyd is one directional-and that is running away.
xspot and anonymous why dont you settle this argument n the ring “mano a mano”! xspot is on steroids, do you still want to fight him anonymous?
Didn’t Shane Mosley admit to using steroids but never tested positive for steroid through urine test? Then why can’t Pacquiou do the same? Don’t speak opinion, talk facts first! Just because you like Pacquiao or dislike me, vice versa, watch how you judge a person that you don’t really know.
You know what’s gonna happen to Floyd Jr? he will be exposed just like daddy Floyd Sr. Like Daddy like Son eh. Greatest trainier wannabe talking trash all the way till that Hatton twilight zone. Pac will not be smiling now when he enters the ring against Flo Jr.
This whole megafight crap has done more damage to boxin then good!! If floyd beats pac pac will retire n the losers will be the fans
analizing. like how manny leaves himself open when he throws his punches?. or how unbalanced he is when hes throwin them?. or how easily it is to hit him
Sacked all of the state commissions staff for pro testing then if you think theyre useless and change it with the amateur style of testing.
What happened to Manny Pacquiao the last fight that he had to take a blood test? Did he win? Tell Pacquiao to be a man and speak for himself, and stop saying “you have to speak with my promoter”? Who is Joshuah Clottey anyway? Google Bob Arum and then talk what you know about the business and sport of boxing!
Good article, esp. your observations about the fighting styles. I would however question your stipulation that Floyd now might be considered one of the top five fighters of all time. Based on what? We are talking about some talented (and proven) competition….
Floyd looks good, for sure. Perhaps the best defensive movement I have ever seen. But still, to be considered for as lofty a standard as top five pound for pound, a fighter has to have fought the BEST OF HIS TIME, no? Clearly, Floyd falls short here, at least over the past four years or so, and at least in his work as a welter weight.
Whatever your interpretation of his motivations – he is a coward; he is “noble” (ha!); he is crafty; he gets in the heads of his opponents – surely we can agree that Floyd has NOT managed his career so as to show that he can beat the best opponents. Gatti, Judah (after his shameless loss to Baldomir), Baldomir, an under-sized Hatton, a super-under-sized Marquez….? (This list while cats like Mosely and Paul Williams were patiently waiting?) This is an opportunist who carefully weighs risk versus reward, not an athlete who wants to face the greatest challenge.
So maybe Floyd deserves to be on that short list of great fighters, but I contend that there is no way to know that based on his selection of opponents.
Pacquaio, in contrast, has demonstrated a willingness again and again to go for the greatest challenge. Maybe Floyd can beat Manny, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we never find out; Floyd can continue with his “noble” demands, his purported desire to “clean up the sport”, and such a fight won’t happen.
To be truly great a fighter has to be motivated to fight the greatest. By this standard, Floyd has fallen way short….
anonymous…..is not about watching only…..Its about watching and analyzing……Thats boxing
xspot
and i didnt even watch the clottey fight. no need to watch it i already knew wat was up. i watch almost every fight on tv and go to local shows. but didnt rerally care bout manny punchin on a heavy bag
props so whats the issue over there…?
u do know i like pacman right?. i bet ur dumm as that i knew bout this guy before u started readin bout him. shows how much u know i watche dhis morales and barrera fights live not on youtube. and still hope hes not a cheat but i doubt it
who said oscar was over?oscar was 146 an many was 147 an 2 3rds manny weighted more than oscar that night get facts straight
and u guys want to go with the commisions testing rules
Q: Shane Mosley obviously slipped through some cracks on urine testing alone in Nevada. …
A: “Let me correct that premise for you. The current state of drug testing done by these state commissions is a joke. They don’t test for EPO. They don’t test for designer steroids. They test for a basic, simple menu that anybody with a heartbeat will escape. I just hate to hear that Shane Mosley did something really sophisticated to get around their testing. No, he didn’t. He would’ve been caught dead to rights in our program. But it doesn’t take a whole lot to sidestep the simple kind of drug testing that these state commissions are doing.
“Again, I hope it’s familiarity, I hope it’s knowledge, because part of the growth is for entities, but also athletes, to become knowledgable about these issues. If you’re a clean athlete, or you’re a sport organizer, promoter, state commission, whatever, if you want to protect clean athletes’ rights, you’re going to put in a clean program.”
Q: And that includes both blood and urine testing?
A: “Blood and urine but it’s got to be an effective urine program. Again, just a couple tests here and there that everyone knows about, or 72-hour notice that you’re going to be tested, or 48-hour notice — it has to be true, no-notice testing. And it has to be a broad menu of tests. And they don’t test for EPO. What was reported on Mosley is that he was using EPO. And he could use it without regard for being caught because they weren’t testing it — and there is a urine-based test for most EPO. So you’ve got to start with an effective urine program and an effective blood program. And the reason, to answer your specific question, that you need to do blood is because there are certain, and several, potent performance-enhancers that are not detected in the urine. Of those, human growth hormone being one; HBOC, which is synthetic hemoglobin; certain forms of EPO, like Micera; and then, the transfusions.”
anonymous …..yes mayweather can dodge…he can dodge all night….ha ha ha……hope he wins over mosley or else GOOD BYE ha ha ha ha
start reading mlive.com/mayweather/index.ssf/2010/01/usadas_travis_tygart_current_d.html
i dont bet on boxing. 2 reasons. judges get payed off and u never know. 2 a single punch can change the outcome
i jus wan say somethn befo i leave. im a boxing fan. not a fighter fan. i give credit to who deserve it. but not over hype some one to the ectent. and to me i believe most athletes are on roids. and if u give me ne suspesion that ur on it im go with that.
mark my words manny would get embaraced if he fights floyd. jus picture the marquez fights wit manny. but floyd in there. faster stronger and more precise counter puncher. if floyd dont knock manny out his corner will throw the towel by round 9.
ha ha ha ha …..anonymous is raging mad against pacquiao……I told you gambling is bad……change your bet next itme….bet and believe in pacquiao……sorry anonymous….your dream may never happen…..my sincere condolonce to you
I don’t care what anyone says. Pacman is a delight to watch. He is a powerful physical specimen for a man of his size. Great stamina, chin, power, speed and guts. I think he would outwork Mayweather and stop him late.
lmaooo u guys see floyd as this glass jawd fighter. hes not. this dude can take a punch. but hed rather not. who wouldnt dodge punches if u seen em comin.
anonymous……yes please i beg for mayweather to go toe to toe to pacquiao….yes I beg for mayweather to counter punch pacquiao…..and yes I beg for maywetaher to use hi speed against the speed of pacquiao….and HOPE he win against mosley…..if not GOODBYE
come on now
oscar carrer was over. so y not let the million sof ppl watch u get ur ass woped by a guy whpo every fight he has u make a certain percentage out of it. that wasnt a fight that was a bussines deal
come on now
ur a idiot. u can b off the steroids and still use all they can give u. u must b out ur mind. steroids ain jus for muscles man. like i sayed earlier theres shyt that heals ur muscles fatser then normal.
if ud lie more info google this
travis tygart grand rapids press( hes the chief executive of the United States Anti-Doping Association) and clik on the second link. thatl teach u a thing or 2 bout roids
these rtoids aint the once u get from ur local gym by a bloated roid head
Discredit him after he beats Pac that is.
Finally some people with boxing knowledge commenting! I have respect for Pacquiao, but he’s no match for Mayweather. After about 3 to 4 rounds of back and forth, Mayweather would have him all figured out and counter all night. Floyd has never been knocked down (besides his glove touching when he broke his hand) And the shot that sent Hatton into the ringpost was not fluke. He landed that same shot all night. And the one that koed Hatton was no fluke either. I think this fight will be made, and then everyone will find other excuses to discredit him.
yes lets follow the commisions rule of urine testing. the same commision mosely passed with ease.
it seems like no one wil get to u guys cuz ur too stuborn and dont want to realize that ur man and savior is a fraud. ain nuthn wrong wit testing. wats wrong with knowing both fighters are clean
u kno i been wonderin how in the history of boxing all these fighter try and move up in wieght and they loose theyr power and speed. all of them. and this guy hasent lost nuthing.
u know roids dun jus give u muscle. theres roids that can heal ur muscles 3 times fatser then wat it would take(72 hours). so ur training once for the price of 3. and epo ain detected in urine
can ne one explain to me how marques who fought pacman twice had a hard time moving up in wieght and looked bloated . but manny didnt have ne problemswith moving up in wiehgt?.
ha ha ha anonymous….what else can you say…..all negs for pacquiao
even if diaz is a paper champ in your view… pacquiao show his skills that night…..
mannys last fight
david diaz
de la hoya
hatton
cotto
clottey
forget bou thte wiehgt drain or nething like that. would u guys say ne of these guys r in the same league as mayweather. would u say theyr defence is in the league of mayweather. wat abouttheyr counter punching? movement?. foot speed?
props……..More people agree that pacquiao is great…..you dont need to ask that anymore….you are just one of the few…who dont acknowledge pacquiao’s greatness
props 78
he did beat the great david diaz. the great paper champ diaz that is
Sorry, Mayweather will not be in the Top 5 or Top 10 or even Top 15 bracket of all time. The only reason why he is considered a great at this time is because he is still active. There are many Great Boxers who fought the best in their era who will be ahead of this clown in the All Time Greats list. I can still remember how great Sugar Ray Leonard was, and his greatness came from the fact that he fought anybody of consequence. Can your clown say the same?
People mistake Greatness with his defensive ability. He IS in the Top 5 All Time Defensive Greats, I give him that. But look at the quality of his opponents and you will see that even Larry Holmes had a better career. LH fought the best of his era until there was no one left. Can your clown say the same?
xspot
ur right he will fall the wind from all the shots manny throws and misses will give him pnemonia
u guys might think im biased but im not im a boxing fan. and if floyd declined the blood tests id think hes a cheat as well. we r in the steroid age where almost every athlete is roided up. so whats the big deal if we have the best fight of our generation knowing that both fighter are comming in the ring with only theyr natural ability
well Mayweather camp are in deep trouble…………Mayweather defense is not a factor anymore…..if mayweather fight pacquiao………..In round 2 mayweather will fall………….
what cements mannys career? a weight drained cotto an dela hoya?an to wins to a fighter he really lost to? u the one need to get sommin out of your mouth an pay attention to boxing seems u already missed to much already to be taken seriously
u know theres roids that cant be detected by urine right?. if u didnt wel now u kno if u dont believe me go read up on it. the guy ho created these new steroids sayes boxing testing is a joke. and u guys seem to forget that mosely was on rids and passed every test he had to take. now if it was detected in urine wouldnt they have caught mosely?
floyd will beat manny fairly easy !! manny fights guys w no movement or defense to make himself look good.. floyd is the total package…
do u guys know y de la hoya didnt gain a single pound from the wiegh ins to fight night. is cause team pac man wanted him de hydrated. go and look at both fght floyds and mannys and ud see that there wer 2 different fighter in that ring. de la hoya and de la hoyas bonez
Paul, why don’t you fight him? Stop mincing around on here writing articles.
floyds fightin a guy that ur boy pac wouldnt fight him at 142. mosely begged pac to fight himn. u know wat roaches responce was. “ur too good for us to fight”.
james toney was bien trained by roach when he was caught wit ped’s
lets see 6 time champion 5 different divisions. fought 2 ppl pac fought before they was shyt. beat undefeated corrales. beat the undisputed ww champ. has the highest ppv buy in a fight. 40 and 0 record. need i say more
come on now.
leme ask u this y didnt he want to take the blood tests with floyd but he then has ppl video tape him 20 days before the clottey fight taking blood out?. is that jus a smoke screen to trick u birds into thinkin hes clean. i thought he scared of needles y did he take that blood test then. and dun tell me he came out clean it was a scheduled test not random.
This guy who commented on 3:49 is an idiot… First of all why would del a hoya make money off of manny… He doesn’t promote him.. Secondly why wouldn’t Kobe and lebron take drug tests… They were competing in the Olympic.. They had no choice.. It’s in the rule books… Pacquiao and mayweather aren’t in the Olympic and don’t need to take blood tests.. It’s funny how he demands it now but not before.. He don’t own boxing or control it at all.. He’s scared.. Mayweather needs to step up to the plate and stop being scared… You don’t see Kobe crying saying that lebron must be on steroids and should get drug tested or he won’t compete… No he shuts up and let his skills do the talking..
24 day cutt of means this. he has 21 days to have a good full cycle of the roids that gives him 3 days to clean the roids out his system. and hes goin into the fight clean, and fully taking advantage of the roids he took
come on now
so u guys are not jus easily manipulated ur also stupid. whats the blood test for after the fight if he stoped his cycle couple days before the fight and washed the roids out his system.
from what i know is that when ur in negotiations u can ask for nething. am i wrong?. so y would it b bad for blood testing?. pacs a cheat. and if it was the other way arund and floyd declined the tests floyds a cheat. u guys are biased and read stupid atricles by ppl who are not even writers. easily manipulated. u know how i kno the promoter of the fight sayed clottey had no chance of winning even if he took his gloves off n fought bare handed. and u birds think this fight was a great win for pacman
@anonymous
Tell Mayweather to go back to amateur boxing so he’ll no longer dictate the rules of blood testing. The regulatory body in olympic will do their job and not fraud floyd to say whag testing is necessary.
Floyd and Pacquiao will never fight. Pacquiao will never give in to Floyd’s demand because he has offended Pacquiao already and Manny does not need the money ( although his promoter wants it ). Floyd will not back out of his demands or hi noble intention of cleaning up his sports.
in round 10 when he droped em
come on now
u know that fluke shot was a set up right. shows how much boxing u know. go and watch the fight he hits hatton wiyt the same shot in the same corner in round 9. and sets him up again wit the same shot in the same corner.
what are mannys acheivements? fightin ppl that lost theyr previouse fights? o im sory beating david diaz is the ultimate acheievment.
flip4 life
lmaoooo ur right hel throw his 8 to 10 combos and miss 7 of them. and u dont think during one of those misses floyd would catch him?. u guys dont know shyt
come on now
it ain the same fightin a undefeated fghter then fighting a guy who got exposed by his fight with mayweather. get ur shyt straight. and de la hoya didnt wan win against manny cuz he makes a percentage of all of mannys fights. i bet u if jordan was asked to take a blood tests he wuld take it gladely with no hesitation. lebron and kobe took blood tests for the olympics they cudve sayed that the nba doesnt demand blood testing so they wont take it . u guys r jus all haters
so the ring size and 10 million over every pound is ok but random blood tests is not?. u gys are birds. and floyd challenged shane n shane sayed he needed a vacation and had a tooth acke. learn ur shyt guys dun start runnin ur mouth u guys jus got introduced to boxing.
ur right hes scared thats y he went and scheduled a fight right away while the deal was still on the table. how u say hes scared he wanted random blood tests and then changed his stance to 14 days which kinda takes out the random out of it. if he was scared he cudve used the 10 mil over every pound or the 50 50 split as an excuse or the random blood tests he wouldnt try and make a deal of 14 days
Everybody seems to be in the same bandwagon underestimating the Manny’s capabilities since he fought De la Hoya, Hatton and Cotto. But what did you guys get? Your answer will be as good as to Floyd’s.
I’ve always thought that Floyd would win too because the guy is such a defensive genius. But after watching the Pac-Clottey fight, I think it can go either way. Floyd has always been able to beat his opponents because he’s so fast but Pacquiao is equally fast. On top of that, Pac packs power, has a strong chin and is perpetually moving. Floyd needs to time him and when he does time him and hits him, Pacquiao looks like somebody who will continue to keep coming. Just like in the Cotto fight, Cotto was hitting Pacquaio but the dude was counterpunching while getting hit. It’s a tough fight to call which makes it very intriguing.
Mayweather throws in single shots check his last fight against Marquez I can count the amount of combinations he threw on both hands Mannys work rate should win this fight granted his percentage landed will not be great but it beats running and hiding all night throwing a measly 10 shots a round
to Anonymous
you know what? You are a trash talker like Floyd Mayweather. Big mouth full of trash with no sense at all.
All these Fraud Floyd Fans ar crack heads. Why not just tell Mayweather not to be a chicken and just sign the contract in the way contracts are prepared normally? Why of a sudden made demands out of this worl of boxing rules? it’s because fraud Floyd is not ready to fight pacman yet.You know if someone is really true to his challenge to fight and the one you challenge accept it do you have to impose another conditions before you go to fight? It’s ridiculous for any guy who make the challenge then make the conditions after his challenge is accepted.
Since moving up from lightweight Floyd has avoided all the big punchers, and probably with good reason. If he had fought Mosley three or four years ago I would have bet the farm on Mosley because of his speed and power. If he ever fights Pac the power and speed will force him to get on his bicycle and keep pedaling without much thought to offense.
Floyd got no power to knock Pacquiao out. He’ll shoulder roll all night long because Pac won’t let him counter and when he tries to, he’ll get knocked the fed out his as. He’s gonna call his homies to go shoot Pac on the way out of the ring.
o and the 7 time mvp barry bonds has they wer voted by the writers. now ask those writers if they would take theyr votes back
u guys might say hes defensive but the baltimore ravens and the tampa bay bucaneers won the super bowl cuz of defence it wasnt entertaining but theyr in the record books
yo flip for life
would u consider moving to junior middlewieght and fightin a guy bigger then u(de la hoya 154 floyd 150). not fightin bigger fighters?. u duno shyt man u jus became a fan.
ive watched floyd since 1999 and manny since his first fight in the usa. and trust me floyd would school him
come on now
barry bonds is a 7 time mvp and the home run king. i cud give 2 shyts about wat writers think. theyr jus writers. theyr job is to hype up ppl who r popular to get more reads.
and u dun have to have knock out power to knock ppl out. a precise counter punch against an unbalanced fighter can do more damage then a powerful shot
Everybody knows Floyd is better. Floyd has been supposedly getting ko’d since he fought Gatti. Then Hatton was going to do it. No success. Manny can’t go 12 with Floyd and doesnt have the skill to beat him. Yah Manny is ruthless and aggressive, but with no skill and no composure, Manny is the one getting ko’d. It’s happened to him before. If you really dont think Floyd isnt going to catch Manny with a counter you havent been watching boxing that long.
Good article I agree with a lot of your points there and after a lot of thought (I lost a lot of sleep trying to pick a winner in this fight and yes I know I should get a life!)
I do agree that Mayweather throws better combos than he is given credit for and with more power than some would suggest.
You don’t stop twenty five opponents without having a little power but maybe it’s more to do with accuracy and speed but I would suggest it is a combination of the three.
I have been back and forth with my predictions I have to admit and even gone 360 degrees and back again!! so here goes.
I feel Mayweather could stop Pacquiao with his accurate counter punching late on with the accumalitive effect of his counters if Manny can’t pin him down BUT
The way I see this fight going though is MANNY BY DECISION
I think the work rate will give Floyd all sorts of problems and although Floyd will probably land the cleaner and better punches and Manny will hit a lot of arms and shoulders and sometimes not hit anything!! I just don’t think Mayweather will be able throw enough shots with effect to influence the judges.
That is my opinion for what it’s worth I might feel differently after May 1!! We shall see.
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the mosely fight is gon b great. but i have one prolem with it. when floyd beats him theyr gon have the excuses of mosely bieng to old( but bernards 45). he hadent fought in a long time(floyds had 1 fight in almost 3 years). i duno wat that guy needs to do to get some credit. and u guys say he talks alot of trash thats tru but thats jus a hype job. chek ur facts he never talks bad about the fighters he fights after he fights them. he praises them
these pactards fail top realize that floyd was letting oscar hit him to tire him out. oscar was not landin shyt in that fight. floyds the best at adjusting jus look at how cleanly he hit de la hoya wit his straight rights and leading left hooks. floyd makes good fighters look ordinary thats y u guys think he doesnt fight top fighters. every one he fought was in the top of theyr game and theyr division when he fought them
I’m too excited about Mosley to care about Pacquiao. Mosley (another world class fighter, not a beaten, broken flatfooted, past his prime, shot fighter) is gonna be Mayweather’s biggest test to date. Mosley hits like a mule kick, and is plenty fast. He destroyed an iron headed Margarito. It’s gonna be epic. All this talk about Manny is hype. You and I know Manny can’t f?ck with Floyd. Why you think Freddy’s got Manny’s retirement on the brain? Talkin bout 1-2more fights. He knows if he fights Floyd, he’s gonna lose, and then Manny can finish up, on a positive note, by fighting another dented tomatoe can.
its just funny how these guys sitin infront of a lap top call a fighter coward. fighter whos steped in the ring 40 times. who accepted all of mannys demands. and fought at junior midlewieght without a catchwieght. if he wanted a reason to get out of the fight he cudve sayed that hes the bigger draw and wouldnt setle fo 50/50. or jus sayed theyr askin of 10 million over every pound is 2 much. team pacman wan make all the rules but when someone stands up and says i got some shyt i want they balk at it. u can take a kidney out of me n il b ready to fight in 14 days. wats funny is that pac had a video 20 days befo the clottey fight taking blood. and dun say that he came out clean guys cuz it wasnt random
most fighters who go against pbf only land like 7 or 9 hits a round…crazy right,but so true he does this to elite fighters so what is manny gonna do that others didnt?He has a nice work raye but so did hatton an dela hoya (before he was weight drained) an look where that got them. I no manny ko’d them so what,i think a fighter who can cause a fighter to miss an only get touched 9 or 12 times is way more skilled than a fighter that gets hit at will in every fight but throws blindly on ward.Khan showed people what that got manny an they have avoided those kinda fighters every since
@Annonymous. Makes sense. What’s that say about Manny? Where did all the recent bums he fought come from? Were they born @147. Hatton was very small. Marquez is small. The only meaningful fight as a WW was Cotto, and we all know Cotto was/is shot. We all know Oscar is shot. At least when Floyd fought him (and Oscar is naturally, and has fought bigger) it was remotely close to his prime.
@Anonymous
You kno they would all crucify Floyd for anything he didnt accept… No need to even ask them that because you kno the answers youll get.. He’s scared, forget the testing, who cares if he’s on PEDS if he’s one dimensional, etc… Fact is they will probably not fight and all we can do is argue amongst ourselves…. And really I’ve grown tired of pointing out the same facts and they only argument I get are the ones above….
i wan ask something.
lets say that manny demanded blood testing(because he wanted the biggest fight in our generation to have 2 clean fighters) and floyd balked at the request and moved on to fight clottey while manny waited and fought mosely. would u guys give floyd credit for standin up on what he believes(needles scare im)? or would u guys rip him to shreads cuz hes scared to take a blood test and hes a cheat and hes afraid of manny thats y he didnt take the test.
yo anonymous. when he fought de la hoya he fought him at junior middlewight. and throwin punches doesnt win u fight. u gotta land em. throw 12 huned n miss 1000 of em n floyds gon embarace u
Good article… No bashing… arguments on both side… and your last point is the most important… It depends on what the judges are looking at… If they look at crisp clean punches connected vs thrown, I say Floyd wins easy… If they look for sheer output (like some fans) then Pacquaio may easily win… Most people look at the 1200 punches thrown.. but he only landed 20% overall.. Clottey beat his connect percentage in every category with 27% in total punches… If he would have thrown double the amount of punches would he have won? Who knows… depends on what the judges are looking at… Good read!!
His B.S about cleaning up boxing, mayweather is just out 4 himself he’s greedy and I hope mosley or pacman gives him a beating like he’s never had before.
For a Pacman fan this writer doesn’t show it. One thing is being missed in this article. The only non converted WW that Floyd beat is the old Oscar and it wasn’t even decisive. His only true test is the old Mosely. And Mosely is not a walk in the park even he hasn’t fought in 18 months. If he beats Mosely convincingly then this article makes sense, for now it remains to be seen how good Floyd is as a WW.
Good article I also think Pacmans work rate will win the fight.
If Mayweather fought Cotto or Clottey I think he would have just won by UD nothing spectacular just same old Mayweather.
I really want Mayweather to lose but think Mosley will destroy him
MAYWEATHER is a “G.O.A.T”.. Unfotunately that stands for
“Greatly Oblescent Ahole & Twizzat “
He can look pretty wearing lipstick getting a beat down.