Who’s the Biggest Draw in Boxing Right Now?
March 19th, 2010
Mayweather vs. Pacquiao PPV buys
By Ryan Dunn: There are really only a few top draws in the sport of boxing today. The Klitschko brothers can bring numbers in the heavies, Hopkins and Jones are in their twilight, but still might fool enough fans into buying that fight, and Haye seems to be on the rise. Pavlik had the chance to be one of “those guys” before B-Hop dismantled his Ohio roots.
The list goes on, but there are three fighters who stand head and shoulders above the pack in recent years, and one of them is retired. This isn’t the golden age of boxing anymore, true, but it’s still impressive that none of the three top draws are even heavyweights.
I have my own opinion, but I’d like to take an objective approach before I give it. Let’s get started…
“THE GOLDEN FACTOR”
All criteria following has to be predicated on The Golden Factor, which is the point in time in which both Pacquiao and Mayweather fought Oscar De La Hoya and won. The landscape before and after that moment is insanely different for each fighter. You can’t compare Pacquiao vs. Marquez numbers to Mayweather vs. Marquez numbers. No more than you can compare Mayweather vs. Baldomir numbers to Pacquiao vs. Clottey numbers. The Golden Factor is simply too strong.
A CASE FOR MAYWEATHER
Floyd Mayweather is an undefeated, elite athlete who is flashy in and out of the ring. He’s a ring-master, a technician, and did I mention he’s undefeated? It’s an important point, because like in other sports, fans and haters all want to see if their team or athlete’s “oh” will go. Floyd gives off the bad-boy image outside the ring, and will resort to any tactic necessary to get inside his fighters’ heads. This is brilliant, because with an undefeated record, anyone who isn’t a fan of his will still buy his fights in order to see if his opponent can beat him. A win/win for Mayweather.
But how about his fights? Well, I made a chart, and you can have a look now if you want (scroll up). Here’s how it breaks down. I’m looking at the three fights preceding his De La Hoya fight, and all fights following. I’m going to do the exact same for Pacquiao, don’t worry.
First up, Mayweather vs. Gatti. He did 365,000 PPV buys in that fight; not too shabby. After that, Zab Judah (I didn’t have info on Sharmba Mitchell, sorry). He and Zab duked it out for 12 rounds in a marginally exciting fight involving a minor riot in the ring. Still, the number hovered around 375,000 buys. After that, Carlos Baldomir, rumored to be a tough guy with a deceivingly high amount of losses. The fans weren’t impressed, and the number dipped down to 325,000 buys.
Now it was time for Mayweather to step it up. He and De La Hoya struck a deal where Oscar would take the lion’s share of the earnings, in exchange for the boost Mayweather had been looking for all his career. His 325,000 buys with Baldomir was about to be shattered. After the fight, when all was said and done, Mayweather vs. De La Hoya was a huge success both outside the ring and in. They took down 2.4 million buys and shocked the world with record-shattering numbers.
He followed this fight up quickly with a match against the undefeated Brit Ricky “The Hitman” Hatton. Someone’s “oh” had to go, right? Some people thought Hatton could knock Floyd out, but not many. Some were wrong that night, and many were right. PPV speculation was higher than expected, however, and the fight ended up doing 850,000 buys domestically. Not too bad considering Mayweather pulled down about three times less than that only two fights prior, but still nowhere north of 1M as many had predicted.
Then Mayweather retired. Then he came out of retirement. Then he took on Juan Manuel Marquez. Some questioned this decision, with Mosley and Pacquiao there for the pickings. But a tune-up fight is certainly allowed when a fighter’s been on break, so here we go. The Mexican populous would come out in droves to support their fighter, and Mayweather’s fan-base proved strong despite the lay-off. 1.05M bought that fight, which was extremely impressive considering there was another PPV event going on the same evening.
And now all eyes are on May 1, when Mayweather faces off against “Sugar” Shane Mosley for an unexpected megafight borne of broken deals and a broken country. We expect the number to be well over 1M buys, considering both fighters are well-known in the USA, and Mayweather is always an attraction. This is also a very tough fight for Mayweather, so the pressure will be on for him to perform at his top level. HBO will be helping out with four episodes of 24/7 leading up to the fight, and we will see if Mosley is a prophet or a pauper when he says “May first will be May’s first loss.”
A CASE FOR PACQUIAO
On the other side of the globe (literally), stands the small, unassuming, soft-spoken and deceptively strong Filipino Manny Pacquiao. He burst onto the scene as the Mexican Killer incarnate, destroying Barrera, Morales, and giving Marquez more than he had ever had to handle before. Who the hell is this little Asian guy? And why can’t we stop watching him fly up the ranks winning belts on his way? He’s dazzling and willing to trade. He can get knocked out at any moment, and yet ever since his first loss to Morales, this Filipino Phenom continues to improve. Freddie Roach, hard work, and sharp focus are to blame for this meteoric rise. Let’s have a look at the numbers…
In the rematch with Marco Antonio Barrera, Manny pulls down 350,000 PPV buys. Many were impressed at the level of interest still alive between these two, all things considered. Then he takes on Marquez in a rematch many hardcore fans were dying to see, but did the general public care? The media was shocked when the report of 400,000 buys came in. This was a record for non-heavyweight fights at the time, and deservedly so. It was fight of the year on many critics year-end lists, and many saw the fight going both ways. But Manny won, and his journey continued.
Next up, David Diaz. Who? A rest area stop on the way up the weight ladder. He handled the unproven Latino fighter handedly, but only took in a disappointing 250,000 buys. In fairness, this fight was hardly promoted, and against a fighter next to nobody really knew about. Not dissimilar to Mayweather’s fight with Baldomir, in fairness.
After this routing, he went on up to meet the big daddy, Oscar De La Hoya, after Oscar and Floyd had finished their über-mega-super-fight. Could Manny match those numbers, considering De La Hoya lost that fight? Not many thought so, and many were right again. But he still managed to put 1.25M buys together in a thorough routing of the Golden Boy. At this point, many felt it was clear Mayweather was the bigger draw, and at the time he most certainly was. Either way, Both Manny and Floyd had a lot of thanking to do to The Golden Boy.
But then life post-Oscar begins, and Manny wastes no time in picking up some more Floydian scraps. After two interim victories (one a TKO against Paulie Malignaggi), Hatton was back at his natural fighting weight and ready to earn his check and the respect of the world against Pacquiao. The lead up to this fight was dazzling, and the HBO series beforehand was entertaining and insightful. It all added up to 830,000 PPV buys, and proved that Pacquiao indeed can match Mayweather buy-for-buy. Considering Hatton had lost to Floyd, many were impressed that Pacquiao drew just as much interest domestically as Floyd had. The UK numbers dipped a lot more for Hatton after his loss, however, and those PPV numbers weighted more heavily in Floyd’s favor.
Then came Miguel Cotto. Not a Marquez rematch, but many saw Cotto as an equally strong draw despite fewer PPV appearances and a smaller Puerto Rican fan base (compared to Marquez and his Mexican legions). The fight was the first time to prove Pacquiao’s PPV mettle. And he did it in explosive fashion. After the round 12 TKO dust settled, we learned that Manny did 1.25M buys with Miguel, outshining Mayweather’s comeback victory from only a few months earlier.
Just about a week ago, Pacquiao faced off against a very obscure fighter by the name of Joshua Clottey. Manny die-hard fans know Clottey as the guy who beat an outclassed Corrales and Judah, and who lost to Margarito and Cotto in hard battles. This was a replacement fight for the originally designed Mayweather match-up, but it still pulled down at least 650,000 buys, according to Bob Arum. When compared with Manny and Floyd’s Hatton numbers, this is a commendable amount of buys. Many were angry at Manny and Floyd for not making a deal, but still Manny more than doubled any of his pre-De La Hoya numbers against far more recognizable opponents than Clottey.
CONCLUSION
For me, the fighter of the decade, the pound-for-pound king, and the PPV draw is Manny Pacquiao. For him to do better numbers against Cotto than Mayweather did against Marquez is the only really safe comparison to make. The Hatton fight is also a good indicator, and if you use those two comparisons, you see that Manny is gaining popularity, where Mayweather has to prove now that he can be a top draw.
If he wants a 50/50 split with Pacquiao, he is going to have to win against Mosley in an exciting fashion, and double the Pacquiao vs. Clottey numbers. He’s going to have a lot more promotion, an HBO documentary, and a much more recognized fighter in Mosley. He and Mosley are also both American fighters who have great histories in the sport. Manny and Clottey were two foreign-born athletes fighting in a stadium in Texas. For them to do nearly three-quarters of a million buys is a thing of wonder.
At the end of the day, I believe Mayweather vs. Pacquiao would indeed be as huge as people think, and could quite possible break the 3 million mark for PPV buys. We saw the media and fan frenzy while their fight was in negotiations. We hung on every curse word from Arum, every allegation from Golden Boy Promotions, every waffling flounder from Team Pacquiao, and every single day we checked our RSS feeders hoping against hope for the good news to come.
If it comes this Fall, 2010 is going to have its Hagler vs. Hearns, and put a punctuation mark on whether we are in the middle of a Neo-Renaissance, or if we’re simply buying into the hype machine of boxing’s biggest farce. Only time will tell.
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To Ryan Dunn,
The Rock finds its even more amazing when Manny and Clottey didn’t get a major promotional push from HBO’s series 24/7. They only had ONE show and only had from late January till March 13th to promote the fight. While Floyd and Mosley will get not only HBO 24/7, and longer promotions. Floyd and Mosley better do better than 1 million. If it matches Manny’s numbers, then Manny has the edge due to less exposure…. a lot less exposure. If Manny and Clottey got the complete series of 24/7 the numbers would have certainly made a bigger difference. Also the success of the PPV between Manny and Clottey also had to do with the location of the venue. Dallas Cowboy stadium itself is an attraction. The venue definitely creates a buzz. It is the first fight of the new stadium…which is historic.
Another point The Rock has to point out. Listen to the crowd in many of Manny Pacquiao’s fights. Lots of energy. Lots of fan reactions. Lots of chants. Lots of roars. There is always something happening and most of the time the crowd is on the edge of their seat. With the exception of the Clottey and Manny fight were another fighter was too overwhelmed by the champion that he couldn’t fire back and basically reduced to becoming a turtle. However, Manny tried his best to let his opponent get involved by either letting himself get punches like he did with Cotto. Manny tried his best to get Clottey to engage in a fight. When the opponent is overwhelmed and intimidated by the champion, there is nothing much he can do. Manny still got fan reactions through parts of the fight. With saying that, it is a testament that Manny Pacquiao is a star attraction. He is exciting. He goes balls out. He loves to entertain the fans. Manny Pacquiao is a true people’s champ…..just like The Rock.
Jason Alcairo
The only thing you don’t have time for is things you don’t want to do. You create time for things you want to get done. This can work for your personal life too.
@LIL GIANT
Clottey was the reason HBO didn’t do 24/7 for Pacquiao. Or rather, Mosley is the reason. Or even, this Fall may be the reason.
If you think HBO doesn’t think Pacquiao is a draw, I don’t know what to say.
However, I will say that HBO probably gets more bang for their buck with Mayweather on 24/7. He’s BY FAR the most interesting character on that documentary series, and he’s the reason it’s still going right now.
100% props to him on that. I’m just waiting for the new reality series “The Mayweathers” starring Floyd Jr., Floyd Sr. and Roger as the three major players and their daily adventures. Those dudes are fun to watch!
…ryan
Lil Giant
So you’re saying HBO can throw plan,film,and produce a 24/7 series in a month?That’s pretty much all they could do.There was about 7 weeks of prep for the fighters.They can put those shows together fairly quick but they had to plan to get the camera crews out,get the footage in,and make a quality product.
Btw I can guarantee Manny advertises Coke in the PI.Along with Nike,McDonalds,and Everything else that people want to sell.Hell,it’s like if Mayweather sold things in the US like Face wash,taco bell commercials,Make-up,clothes,and tampons.Everything.
@Dunn
HBO didn’t think Manny was the biggest draw. If they did they would have put Money (24/7) behind him. CASE CLOSE. Coca Cola spends more money on advertisement then any other company. If you had to spend a 100 million on advertisement who would you spend the Money Mayweather who sells fights or Manny.
WHO R U PICKING?
@ryan dunnn
how do you know the PPv numbers?where can i find the results?
@lil giant
If you don’t think you can quantify the ODLH effect you are blind. All fights before ODLH hovered around 300-400k for BOTH fighters. All fights after ODLH are double that if not triple.
What’s so hard to demystify about that? That’s just plain, simple, obvious logic.
…ryan
After DLH, Manny and Floyd basically matched eachother vs. Hatton. I give the edge on that to Manny, because a Hatton with 1 loss is different than an undefeated Hatton.
After Hatton, Manny and Floyd both fought hispanic fighters who had name recognition. Manny did a quarter million more. I call that one even, due to the UFC event and the fact that Cotto may have been a slightly better PPV attraction (SLIGHTLY, after a Clottey fight that was NOT PPV).
After Cotto, Manny took on an unknown named Clottey (unknown to the majority of the PPV buyers). And it looks like he might hit 900k buys. If you don’t think that is astonishing, find me one other example of other fighters doing those kinds of numbers against a no-name.
Just give Manny his due, and then give Floyd his due, and we’re all good. That’s all I did in this article.
…ryan
@ lil giant
Noted.
However, if you are comparing Manny’s JMM numbers to Floyd’s JMM numbers, then you either have a loose grasp on logic, or you didn’t read my entire article.
…ryan
latest pacquiao vs clotteys ppv – nearly 900k
who care?
bottom line is flloydie doesn”t want to fight great fighter like pacquiao to prove that he is the one, until he didn’t fight pacman he never be the one and pacman considered be the one “the wonder of boxing”. the only boxer have 7 title in different weight class, it takes another generation to come out the next one, so while pacman is there enjoy!!!! his fight
The Rock finds Ryan Dunn’s article very enlightening. Honestly and unbiased. Another great article, stamped of approval by the People’s Champ…The Rock. It is clear, Floyd had the bigger overall PPV numbers, they both can thank DLH. Considering Manny;s fight with Clottey, who many feel is relatively unknown, drew an impressive over 700,000 PPV but now The Rock has heard it is nearing now the 900,000 mark. AWESOME numbers!!!The people’s champ…The Rock has drawn big numbers also, and we know how to put on a show, give the fans what they want. Don’t put them to sleep. Another big point, it has been the other People’s Champ….Manny Pacquiao that has been putting boxing on life support for the last 2 years. Since all of 2008 till now, Floyd has fought only once while Manny has fought 6 times. The Rock will go a bit further. Since 2006, Floyd has fought 5x and Manny has fought 11x. We can’t ignore that fact. And Manny has never retired. Floyd twice. Once right after his fight with Baldomir. The Rock knows this was a tactical ploy to pressure DLH into fighting him. DLH knows Floyd is a huge payday for him. And then after Hatton, Floyd retires for over 18 months. Manny has kept on chugging along, and leaving a path of destruction. The Rock think both fighters should share 50/50 thats if Floyd beats Mosley. If Floyd loses to Mosley, the share changes. But there will be a rematch clause.
The Rock finds Ryan Dunn’s article very enlightening. Honestly and unbiased. Another great article, stamped of approval by the People’s Champ…The Rock. It is clear, Floyd had the bigger overall PPV numbers, they both can thank DLH. Considering Manny;s fight with Clottey, who many feel is relatively unknown, drew an impressive over 700,000 PPV but now The Rock has heard it is nearing now the 900,000 mark. AWESOME numbers!!!The people’s champ…The Rock has drawn big numbers also, and we know how to put on a show, give the fans what they want. Don’t put them to sleep. Another big point, it has been the other People’s Champ….Manny Pacquiao that has been putting boxing on life support for the last 2 years. Since all of 2008 till now, Floyd has fought only once while Manny has fought 6 times. The Rock will go a bit further. Since 2006, Floyd has fought 5x and Manny has fought 11x. We can’t ignore that fact. And Manny has never retired. Floyd twice. Once right after his fight with Baldomir. The Rock knows this was a tactical ploy to pressure DLH into fighting him. DLH knows Floyd is a huge payday for him. And then after Hatton, Floyd retires for over 18 months. Manny has kept on chugging along, and leaving a path of destruction. I think both fighters should share 50/50 thats if Floyd beats Mosley. If loses to Mosley, the share changes.
@anon
Sorry but the admin’s remove my URL’s. It’s all from ESPN though with 1 or 2 exceptions, and they get their numbers from HBO press releases directly. I am fairly confident those numbers are accurate, with the exception of the Pac-Clottey ones, which now look like they might exceed 700k…
“’[The numbers are] very, very strong. We don’t have all of the reports, so it’s not official, but I believe we are going to exceed 700,000. I certainly believe that based on the numbers we do have,’
…ryan
@anon…
Here you go, almost all from ESPN directly. Remove the spaces since BN24 doens’t like hot links.
DOMESTIC PPV BUYS BY FIGHTER…
FLOYD MAYWEATHER:
Mayweather vs. Gatti: 365k
Mayweather vs. Judah: 374k
Mayweather vs. Baldomir: 325k
Mayweather vs. ODLH: 2.4M (all-time record)
Mayweather vs. Hatton: 850k
Mayweather vs. Marquez: 1.05M
MANNY PACQUIAO:
Pacquiao vs. Barrera II: 350k
Pacquiao vs. Marquez II: 400k (record at the time)
Pacquiao vs. Diaz: 250k
Pacquiao vs. De La Hoya: 1.25M
Pacquiao vs. Hatton: 830k
Pacquiao vs. Cotto: 1.25M
Pacquiao vs. Clottey: > 650k
@Floyd Hoosier
I really don’t even know what you just accused me of, but I promise you I’m not a hater. I like both these guys as fighters.
…ryan
first of all i would like to know where the author got his numbers from cos ive heard different on both baldomir and hatton fights(including britain)…and with all common opponents mayweather has done more numbers and that is the most fair comparison so the best indication. u cant compare fighters they didnt fight in common.
also if u are gonna use pac vs cotto and pbf vs marquez then its also not fair comparison since like u said marquez vs mayweather had a competing event in mma so how can u compare the 2 dates…
conclusion- pac vs marquez,vs dlh,vs hatton.
did less than pbf vs marquez,vs dlh,vs hatton
so pbf is more famous but im sure mosley fight will prove it.
oh and also not being from america doesnt make a huge difference becos in usa its a sport for the minorities and they rule the sport so ethnicity often helps not to mention not all black people like pbf just cos hes black and american..but ive yet to hear from a filipino who didnt like manny pac so thats not a valid thing to base popularity on.
@rob
you can certainly make the case that floyd is the bigger draw. but you can NEVER make the case that manny is not a draw at all. both these guys are outselling ALL the competition by a WIDE margin, man.
…ryan
@goodgrief
It would certianly have given us a clear picture as to PPV draw if they were on the same night, but these fighters are tied into the profit of the number of buys, so if they went on the same night, they’d make less money. Simple equation but i like your thinking!
…ryan
u cant compare numbers for two different fighters…the only way to compare it is threw the same amount if anything or you go of the overall sales in the recent years and both are in favor of floyd…and hes going to out sell him against this year because many will tune in to see him lose, to see him win because if he wins that means round 2 for floyd and pac talking it out… and to see a mega fight…so if we go off your logic and floyd doubles or maybe even tipples pacs sales this year that means pac is not a draw at all..you go buy numbers not facts numbers dont lie they are in favor to floyd everybody entitled to their own opinion of course but the facts are floyd has sold more and has sold more when comparing the same fighters and is apart of the biggest selling ppv event in history
@ ryan dunn
i have a question for you. why mayweather did not fight the same march 13? why he opted may 1st? not april? if he fought same day as pacquiao vs clottey we could compared the ppv and ticket sell. why very long promotional tour?
give your comment on this thanks
also comment jaysmooth
@ Big Lo
True, my bad. One loss and one draw, absolutely right.
…ryan
Ryan,
FYI – JMM didn’t lose to Pac twice. He only lost once (both fights were controversial, but he only lost once).
“Why didn’t Manny fight them before Floyd fought them. Hattonn was in 140 when Manny was in 130-135 for over 3 years and Manny didn’t want no parts of Hatton until Floyd exposed him with his boxing skills.”
- So by your own logic, Manny went into the Hatton fight with a gameplan to outbox him like Floyd did? You guys say Manny and Floyd’s styles are like night and day, how does that make any sense?
- And why did Floyd fight JMM after JMM lost to Pacquiao… TWICE? This is your cue to side with Floyd and say something smart like, “Actually, JMM was robbed in both of those fights. Manny didn’t win.” Ha.
- I’m not going to play this ducking game with you though, that’s just posturing that insecure people do to validate their own accomplishments.
…ryan
@ JAYSMOOTH
you’ve been a busy boy over here. regarding genaro hernandez, besides floyd and oscar, who else did he fight? what other top 5 in his class did he dismantle? there’s a reason people haven’t heard of him.
@THE RESTAYOUZ…
many have been saying i’m skewing or omitting numbers. maybe i am not including international buys, but the rest i am acknowledging.
i’m acknowledging that floyd and jmm went up against another ppv event, but the fight was also on the mexican flag day celebration.
i’m acknowledging that floyd and hatton did better internationally, but rather than make excuses (like manny did just as good domestically with hatton AFTER hatton had lost), i just put the core facts out there for YOU GUYS to decide.
i’m acknowledging that floyd and manny are the two top buys in the sport, do you deny it? many are posturing about manny vs. cotto with relation to floyd vs. jmm. if floyd wants a 60/40 split, he has to command 20% more than manny as a professional athlete. is he 20% better? you decide. but i am giving you my opinion that the star factor for manny is soaring high right now, and even against a true no-name to casual fans, in clottey (with no hispanic fanbase) he will likely pull down 700k buys or more.
you simply have to give both these fighters a lot of credit, which is exactly what i have done. i saved my opinion for the end, and if that makes me biased, so sue me.
…ryan
@Isaac says:
March 19, 2010 at 6:22 pm
Can someone name the great fighters that Floyd has fought? He lost the fight against castillo….I know he beat a good corrales. DLH was not the same fighter. Judah is not an elite fighter.
Who else? He’s ducked every good walterweight right now….he was forced to fight mosley so he doesn’t look like a chump having ducked Manny already.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Do you know who Genaro Hernandez is? Probably don’t..Let me enlighten you who he is. Genaro Hernandez is the only HOF that either of these two boxers have fought. Genaro only lost 2 fights in his career; once to Oscar and Once to whom?…I will let you answer that…
Now, since you say Zab Judah isn’t an elite fighter now you tell me who has Manny Fought can beat Zab Judah at 140 lbs, which is when Floyd fought him. Marquez wouldn’t stand a chance. Who has Manny fought do you think can be Baldimior or Jose Louis Castillo at the time when Floyd fought him, and who had been Hatton and Corrales before Floyd beat them…
Well let me answer the earlier question about who Genaro Hernandez lost to other than Oscar…the answer is Floyd Mayweather..Get you facts and history straight…
awsome awsome job on the whole story
i think you did really well with the math of the ppv buys and i agree with you on mostly everything however i do think that the maywether mosley fight will be a much bigger draw then the pac clottey fight simply becus mosly has a folowing as well clottey didnt
plus we all know that mosly is not coming may 1st to block punches hes coming to fight and will give maywether all he can handle even at his age
@roger rabbit says:
March 19, 2010 at 5:29 pm
ok anonymouse.. pacman was randomly blood tested in the first morales fight!!! very close to the fight!! what was the result?!!! yeah thats right now you’re talking!!! the red flag was when your favorite people start accusing of pacman without any evidence at all. steroids doesn’t teach skills!!! if pacman trains with steroids and doesn’t fight with steroids then his muscles should be weak and makes him tired easily during fight night. doesn’t make sense to train on steroids and on fight night no steroid because your body is used to have steroids!! I don’t need to mess with you because like the frauds you all are already messed up. I know my stuff better that you.
roger rabbit says:
March 19, 2010 at 5:29 pm
ok anonymouse.. pacman was randomly blood tested in the first morales fight!!! very close to the fight!! what was the result?!!! yeah thats right now you’re talking!!! the red flag was when your favorite people start accusing of pacman without any evidence at all. steroids doesn’t teach skills!!! if pacman trains with steroids and doesn’t fight with steroids then his muscles should be weak and makes him tired easily during fight night. doesn’t make sense to train on steroids and on fight night no steroid because your body is used to have steroids!! I don’t need to mess with you because like the frauds you all are already messed up. I know my stuff better that you.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
why are u going back over 5 years to use a situation on a blood test to defend a “Man” in 2010. He lost that fight to but every fight after that he has been on this rampage. Beside a test from 5 years ago don’t prove that he isn’t using PEDs now. GET real
@zoomX says:
March 19, 2010 at 5:23 pm
ANONYMOUS sounds like he is having a heart attack right now, for personally thrashing RYAN, dude, ryan didnt do anything to you all he just did was, he showed the numbers that all floyd fans bragged from previous article in this site. stop making it personal. dont be like your idol floyd, though manny didnt do anything to him he made a personal agenda to tarnish manny. sounds familiar? EXACTLY!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.>>
The problem is,he didn’t post all the numbers so what he is say isn’t 100% accurate and the numbers that was excluded are very important when making an argument like this..
@RYAN DUNN
Why people are complaining about Floyd fighting Marquez?
Because everyone knew this was going to be a tune up fight for Floyd. Why didn’t Manny fight them before Floyd fought them. Hattonn was in 140 when Manny was in 130-135 for over 3 years and Manny didn’t want no parts of Hatton until Floyd exposed him with his boxing skills. You don’t expose a boxer by knocking him out you expose a boxer by boxing him and taking away everything he is try to do and what has made him great.
@CzoomX says:
March 19, 2010 at 4:37 pm
“TOP 10 HIGHEST PAID ATHLETE”
1. tiger woods
2. michael jordan
3. kobe bryant
4. kimi raikkonen
5. david beckham
6. MANNY PACQUIAO!
7. lebron james
8. phil mickelson
9. valentino rossi
10.dale earnhardt
OOOPS! FLOMOS, where is your idol floyd? he is not even in top 20. HE IS BROKE! and you all still convincing yourself that floyd still the biggest draw now??? “NUMBERS DONT LIE” LMAO
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That was for 2009. If you think like most normal people think you will know that Floyd wasnt’ active in Sports in 2009. You are really Dumb and i don’t call me DUMB. wow…how old are you. 9?
@Josh says:
March 19, 2010 at 4:23 pm
While the Floyd Mayweather groupies might be mouthing off about their unbeaten fighter one thing remains certain in the minds of the boxing pundits ; Manny Pacquiao was the best boxer of 2009 and the best fighter of the last decade. For the second year running Pacquiao was named as best boxer and Freddie Roach, his coach, as best trainer of the year by the Boxing Writers Association of America (BWAA). It was Pacquiao’s third award in four years and Roach’s fourth since 2003. It came on the back of victories over light welterweight Ricky Hatton and welterweight Miguel Cotto and established the Philippine boxer as pound for pound the best fighter in the world. That record of three awards now places him alongside the legendary Muhammad Ali and Evander Holyfield in a class of their own. In addition Pacquiao was also honored as the fighter of the decade by the BWAA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
And there is one key piece of information that you are not mentioning in this article. That piece of information is that Floy wasn’t in Boxing the last two years that Manny won.. If you can’t remember, Floyd was P4P King and Fighter of the year in 2007 when he decided to retire. with that being know, that is the exact reason why he wasn’t voted boxer of the Decade because he only boxed 8 years out of the 10 when Manny boxed 10 years out of 10..PLease just post the facts and all the facts…
@Josh says
Don’t for get Pacquiao..He should be number one..Say you are a Welterweight but you want to fight at a catchweight with in the Welterweight division. He only fights boxers who has lost there previous fight. He only fight boxers who are slow and are only going to stand in front of him and brawl..The biggest hype since Iron MIKE.
@bystander says:
March 19, 2010 at 3:20 pm
excuse me MR ANONYMOUS, pacquiao is right now selling a lot of his nike shoes and a lot of people around the world are buying. lots of them are sold for $110. here most people around the block have theirs already and i’m kind of late. by the way i live here in southern california in a multi-national community, i mean whites, blacks, latinos, asians and middle-eastern people. that tells how popular pacman is. everybody’s admiring him regardless of race. this is america and everybody is equal….remember that. don’t be like a horse at the race track that you don’t see the surroundings. be educated and accept the truth. i was just testing your nerve. by the way i am an educated filipino who came to america and i have nothing against you or enybody else. we’re just making fun and try to ease out our stress on everyday work because we are all hardworkers. don’t got carried away though on all of this hyping because it is not healthy to have anger. we are all brothers regardless of skin color. bless you brother and to all the rest!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
We are not talking about who sells more shoes..We are talking boxing here and who sells more PPVs. Go to the playground and play because you are very childish and immature.
@Ryan Dunn says:
Dana White said there was a 5% overlap in viewship..
I see your not going the point. This is what i think people are saying. How many people do you know will buy two PPV events on the same night? How many people do you know that will pay about 120 dollars for 2 ppv on the same night? There may be a few but its not in the range of 400-800 thousand fans. So, it doesn’t matter what the overlap was, what does matter is you gave the views 2 options and they were only going to pick one. So, for Floyd Mayweather to out sell UFC who drew what, about 500 thousand views, that is a great accomplishment.
@goodgrief
awwwww mannn your so right everyone says mosley was a desperate fight for mayweather and imma tell u why deep down in your mind you know there no fighter my God NO FIGHTER has a chance of beating him cept maybe mosley pacman and paul williams so no matter what fight u put in front of him u kno he will win hard too fight ppl who arent on your level not pac too me is an easy fight for mayweather mosley nd willaims pose a threat but he said it him self this fight is for the fans cause they been callin 4 it
@ anonymous
So you agree that mosley is not a PPV attraction?
Just like floyd said at brian kenny interview.
just like roach said when mosley want a pacman fight.
Why does floydie wanna fight mosley now if he not ppv attraction? maybe floyd is desperate for a fight?
its like u agreeing that floyd really back in corner for fighting mosley.
@ ryan the fight with cotto pac had was a bigger draw because of cotto he evened it out lets be honest u kno w that marquez wasnt the big draw when mayweather fought him i was surprized he did that well on the ppv the hatton fiught was more entertaing then the marquez but whos more popular or have more of a strong ppv presence cotto or marquez i bet if floyed was too fight cotto it would had been even more then 1.25 million ppl and tell me the popularit of marquez too clottey bascally even cant compare cotto star power with marquez lets be serious!!!!!
@pinoy thats how great floyed is at what he do see u have 2 nice guys fighting pac n clottey = 650k too 700k then u have floyd brilliant at what he doo too build the fight you bought the fight i bought it too not as entertaining as pacman but i luv the defensive genius he has i can watch it again and again nd see him pick off marquez 1 , 2 punch duck move back slide too the side and 1, 2 punch defensive guru at its best hate it or love it mayweather brings ppl too fights and generate momentum.
now wll see in may1st i promise you mayweather will do better then pacman did with cotto and with clottey and mind you mayweather and roach was and is quoted saying shane is not a big ppv draw thats why they went with cotto less risk high reward granted this will be a big fight nd not all from mayweather but this will do better hope ryan will make an article MAYWEATHER PPV KING cause he made zab, oscar, hatton, nd now shane + soon too be pacman biggest payday of there careers hands down
For Mayweather to get a 50/50 split he needs to gte more buys against Mosley than Pacquiao did against Cotto? When Cotto is the bigger draw??? Yep, Pacfans insist Mayweather needs to get better numbers against opponents that aren’t as big a draw. Pac-Cotto got 1.25 mil. buys and Cotto is a bigger draw than Mosley. But if Mayweather wants 50/50 he needs to get at least 1.40 mil. Mayweather has constantly destroyed Pacquiao’s PPV numbers since they fought ODLH. Yet, Mayweather has to once again get more buys than any fight Pacquiao has been involved in. If Mayweather wants 50% of the purse he needs to get more buys against Mosley than Pac did against ODLH!!! Wow!
Ryan,
I happen to agree that Pac is the bigger draw based on one thing: fighting style. True boxing fans will prefer Floyd’s counterpunching, defensive ability and technique. Casual fans will prefer Manny’s go get ‘em, Tysonesque mystique. It’s the casual fans that really take boxing to that next level and carry the buys (tickets and PPV – IMO).
Personally, I would prefer a 12-round chess match to a 3-round blowout (I really can’t stand KO’s).
On a side note – I see what you mean about Max Kellerman and I agreeing on the Pac-Clottey fight.
Anddre00, thank you. People take this way too personal, they act like Pac or Floyd is paying their light bill for them or something. Neither one of these fighters is donating a penny toward them, their homes, or children. Neither of these fighters gives two cents about them. that’s why I don’t understand why they can’t be unbiased and call a spade a spade.
Oh how the numbers are spun again.
W/E with this PPV s h i t, who cares?? it`s not like we get any part of it anyways, I just wanna see the fight,
I’m not sure what some of you guys are throwing hissy fits for. That was a pretty well balanced article. Now if you take the integral of those lines…….j/k.
@Who Dat?
I’m really surprised that you felt I had any kind of vendetta against Floyd in this article.
And don’t confuse me with a boxing reporter. I am an Op-Ed writer who contributes my essays to this website in my free time in order to share my insights and opinions with fellow fans. I’m not trying to win a Pulitzer here man.
Look up Op-Ed and you’ll see that it’s okay to have an opinion. You can still be a writer without having to be a strictly objective news anchor. You can go read the news if you just want facts.
…ryan
@Who Dat?
I don’t have problems with debate. I like both of these fighters and have them as #1 and #2. Just because I have them in a different order doesn’t mean I think the other one is terrible.
Is your argument that Floyd is the king and Manny is a chump? If so, you are out of your mind. If your argument is that Floyd wins the straw poll and has the edge over Manny, then that’s fine.
I’m not a biased writer, if you can believe it. I will give anyone the props they deserve.
I’m glad you have a nice house and are in you’re 30′s. I’m not glad that you guys choose to use name-calling, baseless insults, and random attacks to make your point.
Use adult, grown up, relaxed discussion as your palette and we’ll get along a lot better.
And never once did I diminish Floyd’s skill-set bro. And I never will. He’s one of the most gifted boxers in the history of the sport. Simple as that.
And Manny is effing phenomenal. Simple as that.
Are we cool?
…ryan
Overall bro, I feel you to an extent. But as a writer you have to understand that fans from both sides read your articles. Fans write one dimensional, opinionated stories. Writers withing due bounds, report the facts and restrain from writing something that has personal feeling/vendetta all over it. Just try to write as the middle man, not like someone on Pac payroll.
also ryan clottey did have appv and it was agianst cotto and cotto has bigger following then marquez compare 2 fighters that generally arent known too many ppl it would be marquez and clottey before fighting pac or may they werent big stars
@ ryan dunn
good work! keep on writing. most imformative article i ever read
yoiur article is tottally wack and wrong u can compare mayweather v.s. marquez ppv buys too pacman v.s. clottey cause both clottey and marquez are not and were not big ppv buy fighter and not the much recognized by the public and for example manyyyyy ppl believed floyed was going too win against marquez yes over 1.1million ppl did and they still bought it and many ppl believed pacman would win against clottey and u can see how many ppl bought his hence ppv king goes too floyed maybe you should look at this as a writer and not as a pacman fan
Also @Big Lo
I agree that Cotto might have brought more buys… MIGHT HAVE. It’s not a certainty. Either way, if people are so set on Floyd being the bigger draw, that would mean that Pac/Cotto compared with May/JMM should have at least been equal if not better for Floyd.
It shows that Manny has been much more active (he’s averaged 3+ fights a year for the past few years, to Floyd’s 1 or 2 plus retiring), and that right now they are very even in terms of their PPV draw. For Manny to approach 700k buys with a no-name who never had a headline event in his life, nor a PPV fight for that matter shows that love or hate him, he is an attraction in the USA.
…ryan
Mosley, while not an amazing guy in terms of PPV draw, has many more PPV fights under his belt than Clottey, who’s first PPV ever was against Pacquiao. You don’t think that should factor into the numbers Floyd and Mosley put up? Dance partner remember?
It’s all positive though, I don’t know why both these guys can’t pull in big pay days. I just think that with Floyd having retired then unretired, and Floyd doing LESS THAN MANNY in his first match after retiring (when compared with Cotto), that Manny simply commands the stage right now.
I will be impressed and excited to see Mosley and Mayweather break 2M buys, though. That would also mean good things for Mayweather and Pacquiao if May wins and goes on to fight Manny.
…ryan
and @Anon and @Who Dat
First off you need to shut your mouths and stop talking like 14 year old play thugs in grandmas basement…..
Second, it’s been a busy day today for me and yes I spaced with the Margarito line. I was confusing Shane/Margarito with Cotto/Margarito with Shane/Cotto so chill the hell out.
Third, if Floyd does more than. $2M with Shane then I will ABSOLUTELY say Floyd is the bigger draw. Just because I gave the current edge to Pacquiao doesn’t mean I’m blindly biased.
Finally, my whole article is predicated on asking YOU GUYS who you think is the top draw. I told you who I THINK it is, but I also gave you a lot of ammunition on BOTH fighters before I gave my conclusion, so cool it with the insults.
I give props where they are due on both sides. I’ll even give YOU props if you manage to put two intelligible sentences together.
…ryan
@Big Lo
Like I said, my opinion is that Manny is gaining in popularity and Floyd is returning to his form. RIght now Manny is top draw, everyone wants to fight him.
And don’t you think the 20 month lay off factors in to who is top draw? It doesn’t mean both these fighters aren’t the top two in the whole sport, it just means I personally see Manny as the one gaining steam, but if Mosley and May put 2M buys together, consider my stance changed.
…ryan
@WOW
If you don’t think ODLH made both Manny and Floyd million buy boxers, you’re in deep denial. Look at my graph again, then look one more time. Then come back with your numbers don’t lie soliloquy.
…ryan
Cotto is also a legitimate welterweight but look at what happened to him.
@roger rabbit
I’m with you, bro! Go kill Who Dat! BANG, BANG, BANG! And down go Floyd fans!
Yeah, let’s make history. Why not fight WINNER TAKE ALL??? That would be something else. Call it bravado, but it takes a very courageous and confident man to issue a challenge like this. Floyd should agree, after all, he says it himself, “Why Manny wouldn’t take the test? I would take the same test also.” With WINNER TAKE ALL, why wouldn’t Floyd accept the challenge?
@roger rabbit, thats why you live on this site. Birds of a feather flock together. he simple and you simple minded. Lets do something together buddy…….. how about we pull the numbers from both fighters of the same opponents, and we post them here side by side, in black and white, and see who the winner is? and everybody here can pull the same information and call out the liar. I’m saying black and white numbers of the same opponents Floyd wins in that head to head match-up. Do we have a deal or is you going to keep posting your own personal opinion? Man up. Oh ok, you’re actually a little boy sneaking into moms basement on the internet so you can’t. Goodbye.
Pac shouldn’t take credit for most of the PPV buys he’s accumalated, at the time he fought JMM, Morales, Barerra all 3 were heroes 2 their countries, we all know Mexico has a passion 4 the sport like no other, & they always find a way to cough up $$$ to support their fighters… May didn’t have that luxury & he still pulled down decent #’s fightin Gatti, Baldo, Judah… Its pretty clear this writer has a hard on for Pac, get off his DI*K already!… U sound like Michael Koncz
@roger rabbit, thats why you live on this site. Birds of a feather flock together. he simple and you simple minded. Lets do something together buddy…….. how about we pull the numbers from both fighters of the same opponents, and we post them here side by side, in black and white, and see who the winner is? and everybody here can pull the same information and call out the liar. I’m saying black and white numbers of the same opponents Floyd wins in that head to head match-up. Do we have a deal or is you going to keep posting your own personal opinion?
@Ryan Dunn <————– No Response to what I asked again? I saw you posted Marquez HIGHEST PPV before Floyd… and it was still lower than Cotto's highest before Manny. Thanks for showing Cotto is the bigger draw AND had a belt on the line AND still only did a little better in sales WHILE Mayweather n Marquez battled a UFC PPV the same night.
WTF does pre ODLH have to do with present draw? Still trying to pull in any information to help your fighter’s case huh? Pre ODLH in no way reflects how the numbers look NOW for EACH fighter. We both know this..
I see you wrote Cotto’s PPV sales. What’s Marquez’ numbers now? Do you truely believe if Pacquiao and Marquez fought on the same night as the UFC PPV they would have done better? I mean you say the UFC PPV doesnt matter IF Floyd’s the bigger draw. So since YOU believe Pacquiao is the bigger draw a UFC PPV wouldnt matter either right?
Pretty much your article is stating Pacquaio is gaining a bigger fanbase, but Floyd has the bigger recent draws. You try to downplay the common opponents PPV numbers with Manny since they JUST lost to Floyd… Funny how in EVERY other article you give Manny all the praise in the world for beating the same fighters.. You cant have it BOTH ways.
Ryan, put the numbers side by side of the same opponents between Pac and Floyd, and then say with a straight face who HAS BEEN the CONSISTENT PPV BOX OFFICE DRAW. I can see this dude saying Pac is in the top 5 paid athelets, but he wont give the underlying data and say thats only for this year. And he is a Floyd hater and wont tell you Floyd was on that same list in 2007. A joke dude.
LMAO, this is the same Ryann Dunn who posted in other forums, talking reckless simply because he is a Pac fan. There is no unbiased editorial from this dude. Asking Ryann Dunn who is better between Floyd and Pac is like asking a black or mexican in Los Angeles if they trust the police. The answer is always the same and like Pac fight against Bum Clottey, you already know the answer. No wonder this dude don’t and can’t write for CNNSI.COM or YAHOO SPORTS, because he is a joke.
How is the writer gonna use the mayweather-marquez numbers vs the pacquiao-cotto numbers as proof of who’s the bigger draw when he himself said that mayweather-marquez was on the same night as ufc 103 which had over 300,000 ppv sales. Now you take away those 300,000 plus and put them on Floyd’s ppv’s and he beats pacquiao-cotto. now there’s no saying that those people would of bought floyd’s fight but it’s worth mentioning.
i get sick of listerning to guys lik u come on a be all self righteous lik its about u!
The authorities in America on drug testing on boxers should not be dictated by the likes of the Mayweathers. Them who profess of cleaning up the sport when they themselves have the history on drugs. To be more credible, if they really ant to clean up the sport, the move should be initiated by reputable people with image not tainted with drugs & violence.
listern 2 yourself man!
pal i’ve followed boxing all my life. and im a boxing fan. not pac fan or a floyd fan. a boxing fan.
dont give me this, i watched before he was famous crap! do u think that entitle’s u to something!
and plse ur clearly not a pacquiao fan! thats just a cover up.
just like it hurts some people to admit floyd has always been a bigger draw, they have to make excuses when he wins…floyd dont need no stinkin roids..
If Manny and Floyd ever fight, Floyd will likely be 10 lbs heavier than Manny on fight night.
the similarity is that they both starting fighting at 106 lbs around age 16.
Floyd is a legitimate welterweight whereas Manny is really just a lightweight. Manny has to eat an inordinate amount of food to be a welterweight.
Maybe Manny should have agreed to 14 days. However, Manny felt like he had compromised enough. Manny was insulted by Floyd and his father with their unfounded accusations and Manny didn’t want to bend over backwards for the trash talking Mayweathers.
Manny feels weakened by the drug tests. It’s psychological. Roach says that his training sessions after the blood tests are not the same for a couple of days. Manny did agree to a testing standard that was above and beyond the NSAC. Floyd should have agreed if he wasn’t afraid of losing.
a crack head who knows more about boxing then u. who was a fighter and is a trainer
Who cares about Manny proving you wrong Anonymous?!? This all started with an accusation from a crack head.
floyed started at 130 when he was 19. when manny was 19 he was fightin at 112. wheres the similarietes
I hope this is not too complicated for pbf fans to understand:
Proposition 3: When one is growing up malnourished, and should have the good fortune to later have adequate nutrition, the body and peak physical conditioning occurs later in life. That’s why pac can do what he does later in life and still be stronger and faster and knock out foes in his thirties like a younger athlete in his twenties.
Proposition 4: American fighters used to be the best, but they have grown soft because poverty doesn’t mean hunger with the advent of welfare and food stamps. To be an atg, you gotta be hard, and that means you gotta have grown in hard condition, and not get fat and outa shape before you are twenty five.
neways im out jus wan let u guys know man. theres 2 sides to the story stop hating on floyd hes a great figter. mannys great too and will get all the credit he deserves. when he proves to me that hes clean.which we may never find out
Floyd and Manny have moved up the same number of weight classes. However, Manny fought as a professional before he was 18 whereas Mayweather was fighting as an amateur.
Stop spreading your disinformation Anonymous.
floyd moved away from his random drug testing to 14 days. y didnt manny abide?. u guys jus dont see it both ways u only see it one way
steroids are used to build muscle mass to be stronger not to build speed.
Again, urine tests alone are used to test for steroids and Manny offered to take unlimited, random urine tests.
Manny agreed to a testing standard above and beyond the NSAC rules. Floyd should have agreed. What is Floyd afraid of? After watching him fight Clottey, Floyd has stated he could easily beat the one-dimensional Manny.
floyed moved up 3 wieghts. lightwieght. junior welter. n then welter. he did fight at junior midle but he came in at 150. manny on the other hand has moved up more wieght classes. he was considered small at 130.
it doesnt give them speed? it can make u jumo further run faster and other thing.
ur right it migh tnot make u gain speed but could it help u keep ur speed while moving up in wiehgt?
In all honesty, it gets annoying that every article regardless what’s it about people just argue about Manny and Floyd. Regardless whether Manny is on drugs or not, the commission, law, rules do not required a blood testing the way Floyd wanted it.
Why does it have to be his way? It’s just doesn’t make sense…the idea is stupid. He’s not scare of Manny….but he’s terrify of losing a fight. Manny can lose and still be consider a great fighter….Floyd loses one and he’s done.
not obsessed i pay attention to details. unlike some ppl who r programed by wat the media and writers tells them
Manny trains harder than anyone in the business except for possibly Mayweather. That’s why he keeps his speed.
Again, ask De La Hoya, and he’ll say that Pacquiao doesn’t hit hard. It’s his speed that kills. Steroids don’t give fighters speed.
im actually a pacman fans and hope hes not roiding. but i will give him no credit until he proves me otherwise. unlike u guys ive watched pacmans fights since his first jmm fight.live not on youtube like u guys and followed him since. i thought hte testing would b no problem to pac but when he declined its a diff story. a-rod was on tv saying hes not on the roids yet he was. i jus ain gon believe nun of these athletes if there is ne acusation
anonymous,
do u realise what ur even saying?
u are completley obsessed man! completley!
i mean, telling us to look at manny gasping for air on his stool at round 4….. pal get a life!
corrales was a fats and powerfull puncher but when he moved to WW he looked slow and weak. now y did he have that problem while pacman didnt even tho pacman is a much smaller fighter
Floyd is a fantastic fight and he probably has the edge against Manny. Floyd he is taller than Manny and has a longer reach. He’s also as fast as Manny and is the the best counterpuncher in the business right now.
However, Manny’s offensive is explosive and he could outpoint Floyd. The fight will be decided by a decision.
I genuinely don’t think Manny is using PEDs. The fight should happen and both parties need to come to a compromise. A fight between Mosley or Valero and Pacquiao will be much more entertaining though.
paul williams throws over a hune dpunches a round and after 12 rounds he look sliek he could go another 12.
floyd has never once looked tired of even remotly tired
I was making the point that just by making an accusation doesn’t make it true. I’m sure he wasn’t there when his friend shot at the other guy. But he was in the closet when his uncle was struggling that woman!!! haha
how was he forced. he cudve went and scheduled a fight right away but he waited. until mosely was free. get ur shyt straight. he foguth de la hoy aat his preferd wieght. while he was smaller. watch the castillo fight again and judge it round by round( give a scoring system). dun judge on wildpunches that dont land. and then ul see he won it.
who wouldn’t be short of breath after throwing 100 punches in a round? Manny did it for 12 rounds. Not many boxers could do that. The guy is an excellent condition.
i jus wan let u guys know that im a BOXING fan. not a fan of a fighter. it seems like manny gets all the credit while u guys downplay everything floyd does.
look at it this way, wat if manny came out and sayed he wants the best fight of our generation to b a clean fight and asked for random blood testing?. while floyd declined and went and set up a quick fight right away with clottey. what would u guys ay?
Can someone name the great fighters that Floyd has fought? He lost the fight against castillo….I know he beat a good corrales. DLH was not the same fighter. Judah is not an elite fighter.
Who else? He’s ducked every good walterweight right now….he was forced to fight mosley so he doesn’t look like a chump having ducked Manny already.
very skinny guy actually i hope i could gain a couple of pounds
watch him when hes siting down in the stool. and gasping for air after rouds 4 and on
isacc
watever pl do outside the ring is theyr busines.(tiger woods.)but wat u do inside the ring and u cheat ur cheating the sport
Anonymous says that Pacquiao looked a lil flabby in his last fight.
Dude, he looked cut! You must be a fat ass!!!
man the steroids they got these days are probably healthy for u lol
back to the top atraction
floyd is the top attraction. when was marquezes last ppv fight?. he was jus a hbo fighter floyd drew over a mill. and what about mosley he had his last fight against margarito on hbo and th eberto was goin to b on hbo. and now ppl r talkin bout over 2 milion buys. is that cuz shanes that popular. no its all floyd
Steroids won’t make you faster.
And in the words of Oscar De La Hoya: “Pacquiao doesn’t hit hard.”
Manny is taking drugs right ? Why else would he say no to 25 Million ?
What about Floyd’s buddies shooting people up!?! I bet you he was there and probably was the one that shot the gun. Let’s start making dumb accusation…..I’m sure that’s enough to make it true.
pac looked a lil flabby in his last fight. has a gigantic head. and u keep sayin they gotta use it fo a long time. wel 2 years is long enuff and they dun wan get interupted by random blood testing during that proces. james toney failed a drug test while roach was his trainer
Manny is really just a lightweight. He can only make the weight to be a welterweight by stuffing himself 5 times a day. Real welterweights like Clottey come into the ring weighing up to 160lbs on fight night while Manny is lucky if he weighs 145lbs.
in the year 2000 manny was 22 years old fighting at 120. while floyd was fighting at 130. floyd naturaly grew when he became a man. manny wasnt a big guy and i ain buyin the fact that he can move up 25 pounds and not loose ne speed or power
a freak of nature? is that mean hes not naturaly a freak?
y did every fighter have a hard time in moving up in wiehgt threw out the history of boxing except pacman?. and u say theyr jus accusing him fo no reason?.if u wer clean and ppl started doubting u and tarnishing ur name wouldnt u stand up and fight?. wouldt u b mad at the accuser and call his supposed bluff and beat him into submission so he dun run his mouth no mo?. no u go and file a defamation lawsuit like every other athlete taht was accused of ped’s
Floyd was 16 when he weighed 106lbs while fighting as an amatuer while Manny was a professional.
You all swear like ya’ll can go 15 lbs in weight in 2 years….haha
Anonymous:
All your facts are wrong. Floyd was fighting as an amateur at 106lbs around the same age that Manny was fighting as a professsional.
Both fighters have moved up in weight class and won many titles. In fact, Mayweather has fought heavier than Manny has.
“Mayweather had an amateur record of 84-6[3] and won national Golden Gloves championships in 1993 (at 106 lb), 1994 (at 114 lb), and 1996 (at 125 lb).[4]“
and u can say manny was moving up in wiehg when he was fightin at 130
It is unbelievable that people can be 100% sure that manny is on PED and have the balls to stand behind their words. Having doubt or suspicion of him being on that stuff can be understandable, but outright accuse him and make all these theories of why he is for sure on drugs is ridiculous.
The guy needs to continuously be eating just to stay on that weight….people need to admit he’s a freak of nature and the best boxer out there right now. Floyd is nothing compare to him and give it 30 yrs from now and we will all see that Mr. Money’s name will fade away.
they need to roid up like u state fo a long time to b good for a fight. thats y they refused random blood testing?. y did freddie roach say his guy has no prioblem in taking random blood testing and sayed hel b ok with taking them and his mans clean. and then back track off of that?. bieng randomely tested will hault mannys roid cycle. this is y they dont want the fight
zelig
hence y team pacman refused to b randomly tested? cud that b a reason?
You need to take into account of the demographic and average income of the various fan base for the different fighters:
Mexican fighters fan base: many people, poor income=avg.ppv
Peurto rican fighters fan base: few people, avg income= below avg. ppv
Pbf supporters, fan base: hip hopsters in america, no money, possibly illegal tapping into ppv reception= zero ppv
Those who wanna see pbf ktfo: many people, avg income=abv avg ppv.
floyd started at 130. he hasent moved up in wieght like manny. pac man fought barrera at 130 on oct 2007. and then fought clottey a lil over 2 years after that at 145. thats not the same step up as floyd
HGH and EPO must be used for months prior to a fight for there to be a benefit. Using them for only a few weeks will not help.
and floyd, who has moved up in as many weight classes as Manny, could be using them too.
Olympic style drug testing does not catch all cheaters.
so zelig is there a possibilty that pac has used hgh and epo and passed every test in the last 2 years?. cuz u say its no good in the long run but lets jus say he started right befo the de la hoya fight?
explain to me
@Anon
First off you need to shut your mouth and stop talking like a 14 year old play thug in grandmas basement…..
Second, it’s been a busy day today for me and yes I spaced with the Margarito line. I was confusing Shane and Margarito with Cotto and Margarito with Shane and Cotto so chill the hell out.
Second, if Floyd does more than. $2M with Shane then I will ABSOLUTELY say Floyd is the bigger draw. Just because I gave the current edge to Pacquiao doesn’t mean I’m blindly biased.
I give props where they are due on both sides. I’ll even give YOU props if you manage to put two intelligible sentences together.
…ryan
so if they canot b detected threw urin. then manny cud b using them in the last 2 years and took urine tests and passed?. i want u to answer me that question.
and also he moved up in wieght wat r the 2 best roids to build u lean muscle wit no fat? hgh and epo undetectable threw urine.
if victor conte and his lab wasnt exposed. u guys would still b idolizing ppl like barry bonds, marion jones, a-rod. these guys did nothing but take money away from the hard working athletes who worked hard and got theyr paychecks
Anonymous:
Listen: blood tests are not used to test for steroids. Only urine tests are. Designer steroids can be made to beat the urine tests and the urine tests have to be updated to catch these.
Blood tests are not of any help in catching the new designer steroids. They are only useful in catching stuff like HGH or EPO (which are not steroids). HGH and EPO are of little benefit if used for only a few weeks.
yo rabbit.
thats was then and this is now. they got new testing and new material. the olympics changed theyr testing procedure when they found out about all the new steroids. y hasent boxing changed theyrs
yo isacc
the boxer he beat up os also speculating if manny is indeed on the roids. whats that got to say bout ur man? if somebody in his wn stable is thinking that
actually top rank asked for a 18 by 18 ring size but settle on the reg 20 by 20. get ur facts right
First of all, great article! But now let’s put it on this perspective….for those that bought the PPV for DLH vs Floyd, and Floyd vs Marquez, ask how many of them regret buying those two fights?!? I was disappointed beyond believe.
Manny vs Cotto was exciting and just impressive seeing Manny dismantle a great opponent. There is nothing better than a respectful fighter (Cotto) saying that the opponent that just beat you up is the best boxer out there outright.
I am looking forward to Mosley vs Floyd, but once again simple for the fact that I want to witness the first time he loses and the excuses he probably practice saying in the case he loses.
yes steroids in boxing and basebal are not the same. in baseball u hit home runs. in boxing u can kill someone
First of all, Top Rank asked for the standard ring size. Floyd wanted a bigger ring size so he can run around like the pansy he is.
it doesnt matter when he took it or how he took it and wich way he injected it. the only thing that matters is that he passed the tests he was subjected to. the same tests that pacman wants to go threw and thinks are good testing
the same athletic commision that mosely passed everytime he was roided up zelig?
Floyd obviously thinks Manny looks too good and therefore must be on steroids. He must fear that he will lose to Manny.
Otherwise, Floyd wouldn’t have made an issue out of drug testing and we would have seen this epic fight.
y is it because they r the bullies and dun like getting pushed back?
they asked for a catchwieght when they foguht the WW champ. asked de la hoya not to gain a single pound after the wiegh ins. pac was a pound and a half over him come fightnight fo godsackes. asked for 10 mill fo every pound over th elimit and smaller ring size.
to me it seems like they was used to getting it they way until they got pushed back and didnt like it
manny does not want to allow floyd to dictate the rules of the fight. Floyd and his team repeatedly accused that Manny was using PEDs thereby tarnishing his image without any evidence whatsoever.
why should Manny have to prove his innocence? He has passed every single blood and urine test he has taken in the past.
Floyd is not above the rules of boxing. If the NSAC wants to change the testing standards then Manny will abide by those rules. He is not going to allow Floyd to bully him in the prefight negotiations.
if every body knew it was a ploy to duck pac y didnt they call his bluff?
roger rabit
the way shane mosely was tested after fights?. is that the way boxers get tested and thats y its different then baseball?.
if manny is clean like u guys say.and im a pacfan also and hope he is clean. then i gues by him refusing to take tests is clear that hes afraid of mayweather and does not want to fight mayweather.
wat is he afraid of?
i want to ask neone of u would u step in the ring if u thought someone was on roids?. especialy considering this is the biggest fight in our generation. no none of u would.
y would jmm insist on blood testing when they aproached him about a third pacman-marquez fight?. is marquez a drugdealer/crack head. watever name u guys have for them these days?
travis tygart is on record saying that the benefit of steroids, growth hormone, and EPO are seen the months before training.
Taking these drugs for 3 weeks is not going to result in any significant benefit.
Let’s be real. Manny is not using PEDs. This whole issue was just to allow Floyd to get into Manny’s head as he knew from the Morales fight that Manny blamed his loss on the blood test.
After he has watched Pacquio’s recent fights, Floyd has repeatedly said that he could beat Manny. Then, what is he afraid of???
yo roger rabit.
like i sayed steroids dont make u tuff. theyr perfomance enhancer. like healing ur muscles that take 72 hours to heal. but by using that they heal in 24 or less. theres not just 1 steroid buds
the morales fight was 5 years ago. 5 years bud. before ur boy ariza was in the ecuation.
ANONYMOUS you still backing up the mayweathers accusation that manny is a superhuman. OK! to make you happy MANNY ACTUALLY IS WOLVERINE! he heal himself in seconds, he got strenght of ten humans,bullets has no effect. because the philippine government did that drugs for him. LMAO
Anonymous:
growth hormone and EPO are not steroids.
look again at pacmans face after he fought a tomato can !! floyd vs. shane will do 2 to 3 times what pac clottey did..nuff said..
Q: Shane Mosley obviously slipped through some cracks on urine testing alone in Nevada. …
A: “Let me correct that premise for you. The current state of drug testing done by these state commissions is a joke. They don’t test for EPO. They don’t test for designer steroids. They test for a basic, simple menu that anybody with a heartbeat will escape. I just hate to hear that Shane Mosley did something really sophisticated to get around their testing. No, he didn’t. He would’ve been caught dead to rights in our program. But it doesn’t take a whole lot to sidestep the simple kind of drug testing that these state commissions are doing.
“Again, I hope it’s familiarity, I hope it’s knowledge, because part of the growth is for entities, but also athletes, to become knowledgable about these issues. If you’re a clean athlete, or you’re a sport organizer, promoter, state commission, whatever, if you want to protect clean athletes’ rights, you’re going to put in a clean program.”
travis tygart. u duno who he is google it
and u want floyd to go by this commisions rules? the same rules that mosely passed with no problem
@Anon
First off you need to shut your mouth and stop talking like a 14 year old play thug in grandmas basement.
Second, it’s been a busy day today for me and yes I spaced with the Margarito line. I was confusing Shane and Margarito with Cotto and Margarito with Shane and Cotto so chill the hell out.
Second, if Floyd does more than. $2M with Shane then I will ABSOLUTELY say Floyd is the bigger draw. Just because I gave the current edge to Pacquiao doesn’t mean I’m blindly biased.
I give props where they are due on both sides. I’ll even give YOU props if you manage to put two intelligible sentences together.
…ryan
zelig.
u jus sayed theres steroids that cant b detected by urine.
hgh.epo. those are the exact types of roids boxers would use. they wouldnt use ur reg steroid u can get at ur local gym from a over blown ballon pumping wieght
haku 313,
ryans right, your obsessed!
y not compare the mayweather-mosely and pac-clottey fight?. is it because its gon b a landslide?
regarding the steroid issue:
manny is not on steroids!!! urine tests are the best test we have to look for steroids and manny has passed every single test.
blood tests are needed to check for human growth hormone, EPO and a few other designer drugs. Manny agreed to a blood test 3 weeks prior to the fight with Mayweather and unlimited urine tests. 3 weeks is not enough time to get any benefit from growth hormone or EPO.
Floyd should let the NSAC decide the testing rules and he should shut up and box.
ANONYMOUS sounds like he is having a heart attack right now, for personally thrashing RYAN, dude, ryan didnt do anything to you all he just did was, he showed the numbers that all floyd fans bragged from previous article in this site. stop making it personal. dont be like your idol floyd, though manny didnt do anything to him he made a personal agenda to tarnish manny. sounds familiar? EXACTLY!
any publicity is good publicity. NO?
u guys say hes this trash talker and disrespectful. go and check wat he says bout every fighter after he fights theem. he does nuthing but praise them and say that they are great fighter. ne talk befo a fight is jus a hype job to get ppv buys. u guys need to understand this guys a geniouse inside and outside the ring. u jus dun give him props
@Anon
First off you need to shut your mouth and stop talking line a 14 year old play thug in grandmas basement.
Second, it’s been a busy day today for me and yes I spaced with the Margarito line. I was confusing Shane and Margarito with Cotto and Margarito with Shane and Cotto so chill the hell out.
Second, if Floyd does more than. $2M with Shane then I will ABSOLUTELY say Floyd is the bigger draw. Just because I gave the current edge to Pacquiao doesn’t mean I’m blindly biased.
I give props where they are due on both sides. I’ll even give YOU props I’d you manage to put two intelligible sentences together.
…ryan
Mayweather is lucky he did not see FPJ….. If he does.. he would have pooped in his mitts!
great article.
the first i’ve seen to really dissect the ppv earnings between mayweather and pacquiao. i agree that the best comparison is between mayweather vs marquez and pacquiao vs cotto.
ok roger bunny
first. when pac refused to be tested thats when the red flags started to go up. not cuz ppl accused him. then theres the excuses.wich dun make sense. that raised a couple of eye brows. then he shown in video he taped on 24/7 that he took blood 20 days befo the hatton fight so he backed off his stance and sayed 30. suspeciouse cuz he showed in video him trainin ghte day of the test.floyd asked for 14 day cut off.wich completly takesof the random in the random testing. pac goes and schedules a fight wit clottey. and is shown again in a video of ppl taking blood out of him 20 or so days before the clottey fight.(dont forget that these tests are not random). now y is he willing to take tests but not to take them against floyd. does that mean he is clean but hes avoiding floyd.
and let me explain to u steroids.steroids dun make u tuff. as u might htink they do. theres steroids that heal ur muscles 3 times faster.that means u can build lean muscle mass and have 3workouts in 1.he asked 24 days cutt off. he can roid up fo a 3 week cycle(21days).then use the masking agents and other things that wash away the roids in the 3 days leading up to the fight. and go into the fight clean and test clean.
u messing wit the wrong guy here man i kno wmy shyt
Actually most people were wrong about the ODLH-Pacquiao numbers. Before the fight it was expected to get 2 million buys. There are numerous articles written before the fight predicting this number. but hey, lets make stuff up and say that the numbers exceeded expectations or met them when in reality the buys fell well short of what was expected! I love how Ryan makes stuff up to hype up his beloved idol. After all, Manny just beat someone with the same style as Mayweather! Mayweather has zero buys for his last PPV! ODLH-Pacquiao didn’t fall well short of expectations! Only in dunn’s fantasy world. In reality, Clottey fights nothing like Mayweather, has failed to meet expectations in his fight with ODLH, and it only makes sense to compare their fights against the same opponents. Also nice is putting Mayweather at zero to end the graph. I bet Mayweather-Mosley beats that number! Lets put zero at the end to make it look like Manny is a bigger draw!! And how many PPV fights did Marquez have before Mayweather? One, against Pacquiao? While Cotto had numerous PPV fights? Yea, thats the only reasonable comparison though, not ODLH and Hatton where Mayweather crushed Manny’s PPV revenue. Obviously before he fought ODLH Mayweather wasnt a huge draw, but his numbers in that fight and since then have constantly destroyed Pacquaio’s. Constantly. But, hey, lets ignore the facts! Lets make stuff up!
sayin it was a typo?. but i asked u when moselys last ppv fight was and u sayed margarito and id did 4 huned. u duno shyt. its a typo haa. so if floyd does 1.5 mil wil u say hes a bigger draw then manny because shane did 3 huned against cotto?. wat if he does 2 mil?
And for some of you other less spiteful posters, my stance is that Manny’s star is on the rise, while Floyd is coming off a lay-off with lower numbers vs. JMM than Cotto had with Manny. And I do compare those fights absolutely. I also give him points for being a Filipino fighter who learned the language to gain more notoriety in the states. Something Barrera, Trinidad nor Morales ever did.
As for the record 400k buys with Marquez, it was in the lower weight classes.
www .usatoday .com /sports/boxing/2008-03-27-3478038483_x.htm
And I like how people trash Manny for going after ODLH and Hatton after Mayweather, but nobody is complaining that Mayweather for SOME reason chose JMM, a fighter beaten twice by Pacquiao, as his comeback bout.
It’s all good because I personally didn’t mind it, but the double standard is a little funny.
Your favorite douchebag…
…ryan
did floyd back out of blood testing?. is he consider by ppl a doper?. i sayed that cuz barry bonds and clemens been accused of steroids. do u know wat roger clemens did. he filed a defamation law suit against the guy. hmmm that sound familiar.
Biased, what a lame conclusion, just another pactard, wasted my time reading this, and to end up hitting on such a biased conclusion, w/e man!!
@Haku
I missed you, where you been? You seem to keep appearing on my threads like some fan. Only you hate me right? Or something like that.
Cute. Ironic too.
…ryan
That was a typo. I meant Shane did over 300k buys against Cotto. My bad.
And Anon, whoever you are. I did disappear, because I am directing a commercial and duty calls sometimes.
All the hate is pretty amusing, keep it coming!
…ryan
“TOP 10 HIGHEST PAID ATHLETE”
1. tiger woods
2. michael jordan
3. kobe bryant
4. kimi raikkonen
5. david beckham
6. MANNY PACQUIAO!
7. lebron james
8. phil mickelson
9. valentino rossi
10.dale earnhardt
OOOPS! FLOMOS, where is your idol floyd? he is not even in top 20. HE IS BROKE! and you all still convincing yourself that floyd still the biggest draw now??? “NUMBERS DONT LIE” LMAO
even if the pacman agrees to all of floyd’s demands (purse split, random blood tests ad nauseum), do you honestly think floyd will sign? he took a long time to sign against a 38yo shane who agreed to every demand & he only signed because he was backed into a corner w/ no other choice … i just hope shane knocks floyd’s mouth off so we could see an exciting fight – pacman vs. shane !
ryan wer did u get ur numbers of 4 huned htousand ppv buys in the mragarito-mosely fight?. still no answer. it was free on hbo u douche bag
yo josh
barry bonds was voted mvp 7 times(voted by writers.)
he holds the home run record 74 in a year
and hes the home run king.
i think roger clemens is a 7 time cy young winneralso(not exactly sure)
does that mean shyt to nebody.NO.
While the Floyd Mayweather groupies might be mouthing off about their unbeaten fighter one thing remains certain in the minds of the boxing pundits ; Manny Pacquiao was the best boxer of 2009 and the best fighter of the last decade. For the second year running Pacquiao was named as best boxer and Freddie Roach, his coach, as best trainer of the year by the Boxing Writers Association of America (BWAA). It was Pacquiao’s third award in four years and Roach’s fourth since 2003. It came on the back of victories over light welterweight Ricky Hatton and welterweight Miguel Cotto and established the Philippine boxer as pound for pound the best fighter in the world. That record of three awards now places him alongside the legendary Muhammad Ali and Evander Holyfield in a class of their own. In addition Pacquiao was also honored as the fighter of the decade by the BWAA
HOW DO YOU COMPARE may vs marquez to manny vs cotto.IF you have cotto vs marquez,cotto easily has the upper hand.MORE people would rather see cotto then marquez.For you to have the oddesity to compare those two fights then go by the same fighters they fought flat out say you a mayweather hater.I swear you manny fans need to look at boxing as a whole and get off mannys nuts. I already said he is pretty good but he don’t have the around skills to beat a mayweather or a mosely.I know mayweather got a big mouth, i hate it to, but you can’t say the boy doesn’t have skills.
Manny Pacman Pacquiao is currently the biggest draw for PPV. If the so-called free internet stream-online can be avoided as much as possible, the more PPV for Pacman’s future fight is at stake because the whole Asia is Pacman’s fans. And we all know Asia is the largest continent in the world. So GO PacMan.
Pacman haters are the big losers on planet earth.
I agree that Mosley still has a PPV draw. If you know boxing then you know Mosley. How many in here can honestly say that Mosley isn’t a bigger draw than Clottey? Only avid boxing fans knew anything about Clottey and everyone else just regurgitated what they heard or read about Clottey. On the other hand everyone knows who Mosley is and what he brings to the tables. He’s the man that defeated Oscar De La Hoya twice in his prime. So PBF vs Mosley will be a bigger draw, but just like Ryan said it shouldn’t be a deciding factor in negotiations unless the fight is able to at least double the buys of the Pacquiao vs Clottey fight because we all know that Pacquiao was the only draw in the fight.
@josh
Stop the Nonsense!!!!!
@WOW
I told you a long time ago that this Ryan dude is a joke!!!!
@Ryan Dunn
WTF does pre ODLH have to do with present draw? Still trying to pull in any information to help your fighter’s case huh? Pre ODLH in no way reflects how the numbers look NOW for EACH fighter. We both know this..
I see you wrote Cotto’s PPV sales. What’s Marquez’ numbers now? Do you truely believe if Pacquiao and Marquez fought on the same night as the UFC PPV they would have done better? I mean you say the UFC PPV doesnt matter IF Floyd’s the bigger draw. So since YOU believe Pacquiao is the bigger draw a UFC PPV wouldnt matter either right?
Pretty much your article is stating Pacquaio is gaining a bigger fanbase, but Floyd has the bigger recent draws. You try to downplay the common opponents PPV numbers with Manny since they JUST lost to Floyd… Funny how in EVERY other article you give Manny all the praise in the world for beating the same fighters.. You cant have it BOTH ways.
MANNY PACQUIAO vs. FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR.
International Icon vs. North American household name, nuff said.
@ryan
it was a good reead…this article (like you put it) i aint trashing lol but you set yourself up for comments such as that from annonymous saying this is anti floyd?? i can see it from his point as you are trying to be the devils advocate between the 2 fighters but it seems like your always grinding on floyd…thats just the way i see it but like i said i aint trashing it…but if your going to to a list of ppv buys at least do it after sugar shane fights him? just an idea….??
good read anyhow and ill look 4ward to your next 1… pz
ryan dunn
u seem to have dissapeared. is it because ur embaraced that u f**ked up by stating he had 400 thou on the mosley margarito fight?. dun b shy that ur looking like a idiot
lmaooo mr dunn who thought the margarito mosely fight was a ppv fight and sold 4 huned thousand?. how did he come up wit that 4 huned thousand number?. and how r u gon take ne of this guys points or articles eriouse if he duno wat hes talkin bout
pugile italiano…do you have any proof to back up your theory that only people in the US follow Floyd?
shane fought margarito on hbo for free not ppv. he ain no big attraction. hes like clottey if u consider ppv wise. he sold 1.7 mil wit hatton. n sold 1 mil wit marquez who every one knew was a mismatch the same as manny mismatch which sold 6 huned htou. u can compare them by the fighters theyf fogutht. or u can compare em style wise and situation wise. floyd still comes out on top
You indicated the following with reference to the Pac/JMM rematch pulling in 400K PPV “This was a record for non-heavyweight fights at the time, and deservedly so.” How could that possibly be considering they fought in 2008 and Floyd and Hatton doubled that number 2007?
You then go on to say “Next up, David Diaz. Who? A rest area stop on the way up the weight ladder. He handled the unproven Latino fighter handedly, but only took in a disappointing 250,000 buys. In fairness, this fight was hardly promoted, and against a fighter next to nobody really knew about. Not dissimilar to Mayweather’s fight with Baldomir, in fairness.” considering that you mentioned David Diaz was “unproven” should Manny get credit for taking his weak belt”? The difference between Floyd Vs. Baldomir was over 100K buys….plus we all know that latino’s are big boxing fans so it would stand to reason that Diaz had to pull in a few numbers by himself.
All in all you attempted to come across as being non biased but when you refer to Manny you tend to use more “glowing” descriptive words. It is also worth mentioning that despite all of Manny’s hype..i.e. his performing after fights (mind you he cannot sing whatsoever) he still only pulled 650K when he is supposedly the top dog in the sport.
No matter how you spin it Floyd is a bigger draw. The bad boy roll will always be more popular than the good guy humble roll…just ask Shane Mosley.
excellent article mr. dunn…one additional thing though…maywaether and most american boxers these days are huge american draws,in the past there was ali and tyson and leonard who transcended borders when they fight,pacquiao has gained that status now…most people around the globe watch his fights,mayweather?only there in the usa….but,you’re talking american ppv numbers of course…again,cmplimenti mr.dunn for a really nice article.
If Manny vs Clottey fight sells over 700,000 that would be outstanding when there was no HBO series and Clottey was pretty much unknown to the casual fan. You guys say Mosley is not a PPV attractions but never the less, he is a big star in the boxing game. We know Floyd can sell an average of 900,000 buys with the help of a known fighter but what can he do without the help of another big name? The Dela Hoya fight is what Floyd falls back on but we all know Dela Hoya was the bigger draw in that fight. If Mosley vs Mayweather sells anything close to 2 million buys, it won’t all be because of Mayweather as some of you have stated. If thats the case, why didn’t Mayweather draw 2 million buys with Hatton & Marquez? Its easy for these guys to sell if the dance partner is well known but what can you do against a unknown?
@Ryan “Shane did over 400k buys against Margarito” – erm pretty sure it was free on hbo
i want u to explain to me how pacs the bigger draw. is it because the ppl he fights make more money by fightin him then floyd?. or does his purse more then floyd?. once again clottey made 1.25 mill. pac made 12 mill. thats the biggest draw in ur eye right?. how much is mosely making in this fight. mosely who last fought on hbo for free. not ppv. and how much is floyd making?. and if floyd sells 2 mill how r u gon justify ur comment that pacs the bigger draw?. u know the hatton fight in total did 1.7 mil . u dun wan compare fighters that ok. lets look at it this way. floyd had a complete mismatch and every one knew it and stil made a mil. u say the ufc ppv is about 5% right. then wed say floyd sold 1.1 mil to mannys 1.25. where mannys was competitive and title fight. now mannys mismatch was 6 huned thousand. and floyd next fight against a non ppv fighter and wich will b a good fight wil crush it. hes making more money and selling more ppvs. wheres ur argument?
anonymous……
excuse me MR ANONYMOUS, pacquiao is right now selling a lot of his nike shoes and a lot of people around the world are buying. lots of them are sold for $110. here most people around the block have theirs already and i’m kind of late. by the way i live here in southern california in a multi-national community, i mean whites, blacks, latinos, asians and middle-eastern people. that tells how popular pacman is. everybody’s admiring him regardless of race. this is america and everybody is equal….remember that. don’t be like a horse at the race track that you don’t see the surroundings. be educated and accept the truth. i was just testing your nerve. by the way i am an educated filipino who came to america and i have nothing against you or enybody else. we’re just making fun and try to ease out our stress on everyday work because we are all hardworkers. don’t got carried away though on all of this hyping because it is not healthy to have anger. we are all brothers regardless of skin color. bless you brother and to all the rest!
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but ur reading a article and goin by the numbers by some guy who thought the mosly margarito fight was ppv n did 4 huned thousand?. ur the retarded one who reads n believes articles writen by reg ppl. not writers.
Nice Job Ryan for answering the Post comments on your articles.
shows how much u know ryan
anonymous……..
last ppv fight buddy was the mayorga fight n it did horible. then ppl started saying hes done hes not a ppv draw. no one wil pay to watch him
You guys are comparing an African-American fighter versus a non-American fighter/Filipino. Jee:P Yeah NUMBER don’t LIE, BUT it can be FIXED:P:P IMAO
still searching when shanes last ppv fight was haa. u jus look up articles n papers n write shyt u dun even know about man. unlike other ppl who watch and decide on they own
lmaoo whered u get 4 huned thou on mosely margarito. it was on hbo buddy.
judge ain no one sayin it was oscar. but same goes wit manny and he wasnt even close to sniffing what floyd did against oscar.
For your information, it was De la Hoya who made the PPV sales, not Mayweather Jr. Ask the Hispanic, Latino, Asian and Mexican fans. And they will all say Oh Yeah, it was ODLH.
is that y ufc didnt post out theyr ppv numbers?. i think they had like 300 huned not sure mayb 5 huned . every one watchd floyd in a mismatch. pacs last fight was a mismatch. and how much did that one do 6 huned thou?. how much did clottey make against pac(1.25 mil). and how much did pac make(12 mil). now will shane make 1.25 mill in this fight? and will floyd make 12 mill in this fight?. numbers dont lie they dun pay u that much if u not the top draw
shane margarito was free on hbo
Pacquiao and Floyd are both recognized Great fighters.their gifted talent as a boxer,abilities,skills and showmanship in the ring… that is Why the Boxing fans want to see….
50/50 split is equal to 100 percent for the Boxing Fans.
Who cares? Have you all been brainwashed by Floyd’s BS!??? All I care about is when a fight between them happens and who wins it. This numbers talk is boring.
yo dunn the margarito fight was not ppv it was free
TO ALL FLOMOS! you all shouting earlier from previous article that NUMBERS DONT LIE!. now ryan gave you the exact numbers with analysis included. AND YOU ALL BACKTRACKING with that statement. it only shows how stupid the flomos are.
@Anon
Shane did over 400k buys against Margarito. Cotto did about the same. So does this mean Floyd has to beat 1.25M buys to be competitive?
I mentioned the UFC in my article, but if Floyd’s the bigger draw it shouldn’t matter. Dana says there’s only like 5% overlap in viewership right? I don’t believe him but it makes the point that the damage to the numbers isn’t that severe.
If you have totals worldwide for Hatton’s two fights with Pacquiao and Mayweather just post them. I didn’t have them and stayed focus on domestic for ALL the numbers on ALL six of each of their fights used for this article.
Who said Floyd isn’t a PPV attraction? You guys are making stuff up that isn’t there now. I know it’s a lot of words, but read the whole article before you trash it.
Or don’t… either way. There’s a reason the biggest fight on paper right now is Pacquiao vs. Mayweather, and it isn’t because Floyd’s the draw and Manny’s a bum. That’s ignorant if you think that. If Floyd has the edge in your mind, then cool. If Manny has the edge, that’s my opinion, right?
…ryan
@Ryan
You should have held this article until after the Floyd/Shane fight. Doing it now makes you seem biased. You should have at least not even have mentioned the Clottey fight. Eitherway I don’t understand your logic on who is the Top draw. In my opinion you shouldn’t compare any of the payperview numbers prior to their fights with Oscar. But when you compare their fights after you see that Floyd beats Manny 2-1. Then we can compare the Clottey fight with the Moseley fight after May 1st.
Now my question for you is, if Floyd’s fight with Shane does better than the Clottey fight is Manny still the top draw? You may have to think long and hard about that one, because if Floyd’s fight does more buys than it will be 3-1 to Floyd. No reason why Floyd couldn’t ask for a 60/40 split in his favor next time around. The numbers don’t lie.
Seriously ryan.It seems real, unbiased boxing fans are in short supply, even worse, so are the sportswriters. how can you justify mayweather having to double pacmans number for a 50/50 split. Laughable. kekekekekekekekeke.
u aint shyt man u jus biased. WHEN WAS SHANE MOSELYS LAST PPV FIGHT?. if this fight sells its all floyd. ur also stating that the numbers did less with the same fighters. is that becaus eveerybody knew that these fighters sucked and didnt wana watch the fight?. thats not much credit to ur boy pac. or is it that pacs not a big draw like floyd?. and the jmm every body and i mean everybody knew it was a mismatch and still 1 million ppl bought it.
i can’t help but love you ANONYMOUS because you are always living in the fantasy land with your idol. your idol is so scared that he can’t even utter manny’s name no more. he has trouble sleeping and can’t concentrate on training against mosley. mosley will whip his stinking ass and wont even get a chance for that 40 million dollar paycheck.
@Ryan,
you can’t see a difference in a world championship match Pac/Cotto, compared to a tuneup bout that EVERYONE knew was a mismatch from the start? Really?
post dlh fight? but y did u only tally the american ppv’s for floyd?. did manny have a ufc fight when he fought cotto?. did manny have more ppv against he same fighter hatton post dlh? if ur talking bout numbers manny did 200 thou more then floyd. so if floyd more then doubles him n this fight is manny still the top draw?. u still havent answered me when was shane moselys last ppv fight. whats the excuse gon b when floyd has a big ppv number?. that shanes a top draw and a top p4p fighter?
floyd isnt a pay pervoew attaction..lol come on..
yo ryan. when was shane moselys last ppv fight?. u tell me and then tell me y this ppv will sell?. is it because shanes a big draw?.or is it because everybody watches when floyd fights?
I am and always will be the KING of ppv !! sure all the pactards will pay to see pacaiuo fight his two bums of year !! they dont care if he fights a drunk off the street.. put any spin yall want ive always been on top !! im fighting the guy pac was scared to fight !! im p4p the best…pac better just stick to fighting has beens or never weres !!
@DfwBoxingFan
I’m a fan of both, but I think Manny is the bigger draw. If you disagree, post your venom, I don’t mind. I told you up front I had an opinion. Do you think I was disrespectful to Floyd in this article? If so, please explain.
…ryan
hey, it’s you again ANONYMOUS! you have to remember that shane is the champ and not your idol. he has no belt and just got push to fill up the opposite because of berto’s family situation in haiti. your idol has no choice but save face and he’s broke and doesn’t have enough money to pay the irs.
@bri & jb,
I don’t think May/Mosely will do 2 million, but it will more than double the Pac/Clottey fight. Probably 1.4 to 1.7 will be the totals. Mosley has never been a huge PPV draw, but has always been one of my favorite boxers. He was truly amazing at lightweight and unbeatable at 147, he didn’t get beat until he fought the one style that still gives him problems against Vernon Forrest (RIP). Guess who has that same style……
they give theyr man all the credit he deserves and more. but discredit the guy whos just as good if not better.once floyd puts a wopin on manny il b glad these chumps will b gone.
@Wow
As I said, you can make a case for Floyd no doubt. But the Baldomir and Marquez fights for Floyd and Manny respectively were both pre-ODLH. You can’t look at the graph and deny Floyd and Manny’s similarities before ODLH can you?
And I still think Pac/Cotto and May/JMM are TOTALLY comparable, I don’t know what people are talking about. Cotto only had like five PPV fights total.
Cotto – Margarito = 450k
Cotto – Mosley = 350k
Cotto – Judah = 225k
Cotto – Malignaggi = 140k
Cotto – Jennings = 90k
…ryan
Id say 50/50. Pacquaio is the people draw and an exciting fighter. Mayweather is the villians draw and has incredible god-given ability. Pretty even in my eyes.
these guys jus became fans. they keep sayin let floyd fight ppl his size. he fought ppl bigger. example. castillo was way heavier when he fought him. and he fought de la hoya at his preffered wieght 154. and didnt ask for wieght catch. oscar came in 154 while floyd was 150. n the day of the fight oscar was way heavier. and they also believe that by jus swinging and hitting eblows and air that it gives u points to win a fight. shudnt the defensive fighter get points for making the guy miss?.
wow
lmaoo this guy ain no writer hes a biased fan wit a keyboard infront of him.
and im glad to finaly see ppl wh actualy know boxing and dont use ne excuse to hype up theyr fighter. lol its fact man floyds the bigger draw. if u dont think so when was shane moselys last ppv fight?. u cant say shanes a big draw. and this fight is gon sell millions. y because floyds the main draw
@Ryan,
Are you a boxing fan or a Pacquiao fan? I’ve read several of your articles and your post and you seem a little bias with the Pac vs PBF arguments. If you claim to be a boxing fan, then write your articles without the blatant bias against Mayweather, if you are a PAC fan, well then I understand….
ok jb so floyd sold over 1 million fighting marquez but you dont think fight will crack 1 million against mosley. ok there buddy. hope the dreamland you are in is nice.
I’m glad everyone thinks Mayweather-Mosely will draw over 2 million PPV buys. I really doubt it. It might crack the 1 million mark. Maybe.
@Wow
Great point! I am a boxing fan 100% and I don’t discount any fighter based on my personal opinion of them. I don’t post much on the blogs here because it is pointless to argue with fanatics who argue facts with baseless opinions.
PAC & Money are both great at what they do. Manny is a brawler, Money is a boxer. In most cases, the boxer wins, but the brawler always has a puncher’s chance. The ONLY chance Manny has to beat Floyd is to catch him with a solid “unseen” punch. He can NEVER out box PBF.
FLOYD HATTON SOLD 1.8 MILLION PPV SALES. COUNT ALL PPV SOLD WE ARE DOING THE SAME FOR THE MANNY CLOTTEY FIGHT.
FLOYD DELAHOYA 2.2 MILLION PPV.
FLOYD MARQUEZ 1 MILLION PPV.
MARQUEZ IS NOT A BIG PPV DRAW HIGHEST WAS 400000 AGAINST MANNY. COTTO WAS TOP THREE BIGGEST DRAWS IN BOXING. COTTO MANNY SHOULD HAVE KILLED FLOYD MARQUEZ AND THERE WAS A UFC EVENT THE SAME NIGHT FLOY MARQUEZ FOUGHT.
FLOYD MOSLEY WILL DO OVER 2 MILLION PPV. MOSLEY HAD NOT HAD A BIG PPV IN YEARS HE MOSTLY FIGHTS ON HBO FREE NON PPV MATCHES. SO DONT MAKE HIM OUT TO BE A BIG DRAW.
FLOYD SELLS FIGHTS. THATS WHY MANNY TEAM SPENT MORE TIME TALKING ABOUT FLOYD THEN THEY DID CLOTTEY OR THERE OWN FIGHTER. FLOYD SELLS. STOP THE HAIT. SAY WANT YOU WANT. AT THE END OF THE DAY. ********** NUMBERS DONT LIE.*******
So Floyd did better with Hatton, Marquez, and De La Hoya… He retired then came back and his first fight against a NON title holder did 1.05.
You go on to say Mayweather vs Baldmoir and Pacquaio vs. Diaz was not dissimilar yet Mayweather beat him in buys again.
Its safe to compare Cotto and JMM in PPV buys? Really… Wow…
“you see that Manny is gaining popularity, where Mayweather has to prove now that he can be a top draw.”
He’s gaining popularity but he’s the drop draw? Mayweather now has to PROVE it? Bias way of thinking huh? Even though Mayweather is beating damn near every PPV even with Pacquaio he has to Double the buys AND win in exciting fashion to even get a 50/50 split!! WOW!!! You sir have shown your true colors and your inability to write an unbias article when it comes to Mayweather and Pacquaio. The facts are right in your face and you find ANY reason to bring up Pacquaio and deny Mayweather. Really look at the article.. You kno God Damn well if it was reverse you would be all for Pacquaio getting the bigger cut. Mayweather has proven time and time again he’s gettin more buys even with the same opponents. He did 1.05 compared to Manny’s 1.25 with a less popular opponent WITH a UFC PPV thee same night. Manny fought for a belt and Mayweather didnt.
Mayweather is the bigger draw and its FACTS. EACH common opponent Mayweather has drawn more buys. Cotto is a bigger draw than Marquez and he STILL did only .20m buys over WITH a belt on the line AND Mayweather’s bout had a UFC PPV the same night. Its simple…
Put d UK numbers on both fights w Hatton n Floyd sold way more just ask who generate d most Money Floyd Period
sorry, i have to switch screen because nobody want to answer my question about the issue “WINNER TAKES ALL” for mayweather and all his fans to answer. is there anybody there want to help? how about you ANONYMOUS? stop hidinng from your silly nonsense opinion against pacman.
50/50 is fair. Pacman vs. Clottey looked like a Top Rank fix… Horrible card and horrible fights. Arum should be ASHAMED of himself for robbing the fans like this!!!
Yeah… it was Dela Hoya… and now, it’s Pacquiao!
@DFW
Hbo counts buys domestic, and I don’t have totals on all these fights in markets like Australia. I mentioned the Global discrepancies where I could.
@Anon
I gave some facts and my opinion. Not anti Floyd. I think I laid out enough evidence to make the case for either guy. Did you read the whole thing or just the conclusion?
manny numbers are no where near floyds. he kills manny in number comparison. how can you be surprised manny did good numbers fighting cotto when cotto was one of the biggest draws in boxing. marquez and cotto complete opposits when it comes to ppv draws. cotto was top two or three biggest ppv number fighters untill his string of losses. marquez has never had big numbers. and mosley has preaty much been a hbo free boxing fighter not a big ppv fighter for the last few years. people not only make excuses for why floyd wins fights now they make up excuses for why he is such a big ppv draw. manny is such a big draw that mosley is making twice what he made for his fight and floyd is making 4 times what manny made for his fight. when it comes to ppv events no one is any where close to floyd. say what you want THE NUMBERS DONT LIE. manny wont be getting a 50/50 split if he wants to fight floyd. like floyd said he will make what he would have made fighting manny in two fights. it will take manny 4 to 6 fights to make what he would have made for that fight.
Ryan,
You make some good points, but why did you choose to only use the domestic totals for the Mayweather vs Hatton fight? Sounds like you are purposely skewing the number to suuport your opinion, as oppose to total PPV sales. Please explain…..
another stupid biased anti-Floyd article, if you can call it that. Total waste of time reading it, Floyd will always be the better fighter and bigger draw, period.
From a UK perspective it is all about Pacqiuao v Mayweather. This is the fight casual boxing fans want to watch, the two guys who beat Hatton, so we know about them. Mayweather v Mosley will be Floyd’s biggest fight at welterweight as Mosley is very experienced at this weight. I see this fight being very similar to the De La Hoya fight and with Mayweather winning a close decision.
I think Haye v Klitschko could pull in big money. But as for everyone else I don’t see many catching the eye on a big scale.
How many did Manny do against Marquez?
Sorry, but it was de la hoya and not mayweather!
And now Mayweather Mosley is definitely bigger than pacquiao Clottey! So 50/50 for pacquiao mayweather is fair enough!
Manny as P4P Champ! Mayweather cant generate over 2.5 without pacquiao! but the same thing to pacquiao!
Quick note… the last entry on my grid has Mayweather at ZERO because his fight with Mosley hasn’t happened yet, sorry if there’s any confusion.
…ryan