Roach wants Pacquiao to fight Mayweather vs. Mosley winner next

The Mayweather vs Mosley fight is expected to get over 3 million PPV sales and more than the Pacquiao vs Clottey fight. Mayweather the more defensive fighter is the People’s Choice but let’s not take for granted the skills of Mosley.

Mosley has had big fights against dela Hoya, Margarito, Vargas and a lot more heavy punchers.

Mayweather on the other hand who has the reputation of choosing Light Punchers has also great defense. But defense doesn’t make you win in boxing.

I go for Mosley on May 1, 2010 on a UD win.

@JesusJones- Thanks for reading…LOL…

Anyway, I read your post. While I thought it is good, I think you look at this as if BOTH men were not going to be taking this test. In my post, I’m looking at it from the human aspect, as are you, since, it seems people can’t do that, because, it’s PBF, who was asking. I don’t care if it was PBF, asking or not. I know his reputation, and based on what I know of him, he’s not the kind of person, I would befriend, at this stage of my life. But, it does not mean, that he is DIABOLICAL or does not work hard and take his job very seriously, or is wrong, all the time. In this case, given the facts, he was not wrong for ASKING for the test, if he had ANY suspicions. I don’t respect the actions of Roger and SR. This is a business, and they need to understand, the level of professionalism required, even it is “Lil Floyd”, they are talking about. “Lil Floyd” is worth a lot of money, and Roger and Sr., are f*ckin that up, to some extent. So, is Floyd, based on some of his associations and own actions. But, given all that, he’s NOT wrong, for asking for this test.

In my post I liken the ex boyfriend who died of AIDS to the reality that PEDs are rampantly used, within the sport, an others have been caught using. You can call it a “body of evidence”, if you want. But, it does not mean that she had it. They were no longer together; therefore, he could’ve gotten it elsewhere. I, of course, liken the friends who told him they recognized her, from knowing the ex boyfriend, to Roger and Sr., making an assumption about Pac’s extraordinary performances of late, based on the reality that many athletes, do get an edge, using PED’s. The people at the bar whispering and shaking their heads in disgust, I liken to others in the sport, who Floyd is not close to, but, have expressed similar opinions, as Floyd Sr. and Roger.

In my analogy, the fact that girl had never taken an HIV test, even though she NEVER tested positive, for any other STI’s, when taking a urine test, shows that there is room to believe she may be infected. Based on this fact and what the guy was told from his friends, and heard from others, he has doubts about her. Not to mention HIV/AIDS is not rare, it’s an epidemic. This further fuels that doubt. PED’s in sports, have been become an epidemic. You can liken this situation to Pac having only taken the standard commission tests, which don’t test for the things that OSDT would. So, never testing positive, has NO merit, when what you are looking for, can only found in the blood. So, it leaves room, for more doubt.

They guy in the analogy, is interested in moving forward, but, is not comfortable doing so, until he knows for sure, that she is not HIV positive. PBF was interested in making the fight, but, he was not comfortable doing so, until he was sure, Pac was not using PEDs, to get an unfair advantage. The guy in the analogy, volunteered to go to the clinic and undergo the same HIV test, as her. PBF presented his request, as MUTUALLY applied OSDT.

Now, the guy, in the analogy, had a genuine concern about his safety. The facts tell us that PBF was concerned, about ensuring there was a level playing field. Neither the guy in the analogy or PBF, had proof, that there was any reason, to think things were on the up-and-up. What they had were circumstantial facts, the opinions of others, and their own intuition, which made them feel justified in asking for test.

I believe most (intelligent) people, in a situation like this guy’s in the analogy, would ask for that test. As I believe, PBF made an intelligent choice, of asking Pac to take the test, because, he was in doubt–not AFTER the fight, BEFORE.

BTW, I don’t drink either Coke or Pepsi, and I stopped drink Kool-Aid too…long, long ago…

jaysmooth
mayweather has always been more popular than manny and always will.compare all common opponents ppv sales…put any spin you want on it!! pac is just the flavor of the day right now but still not as popular..yes he can fight all the b level fighters tell he runs out of them and sell ppv cause pactards just wanna see someone get beat up…they dont care who he fights!!

@ tobol
you are in such denial you should get checked out !! take mannys c@#k out of your mouth for a second here..you are a total pactard if there ever aws one!! pac was at best average his whole career then all of a sudden became this beast that just steamrolls these guys..that and the other obvious things like a huge head and not wanting random testing… .DUH…..doesnt take a rocket scientist to connect the dots!! only cheaters and those making millions dont want totaly random testing.. testing is no good if you know when they are coming…

@Phoocquiao says:
March 11, 2010 at 3:29 pm
I think if Pac and Floyd both destroy their opponents in their next fights and then retire, then Pac will definitely be the fighter of this era.

Even if Floyd beats Mosley, his toughest fight came against his oldest opponent.

Say what you want about Pac’s opponents, he still has the better resume. Mosley lost to Cotto who Pacquiao beat.

Don’t get it twisted. The only thing you can achieve by trying to downplay Pac’s opponents is leave the door open for people to downplay Floyd’s opponents.

at that point you have to go with the more exciting fighter (Pacquiao) with the better resume (Pacquiao).
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Which boxers have Manny fought that has better value than any boxer that Floyd has fought.the only person you can through in there is Cotto and he was drained. So, please enlighten me who has an impressive resume on the list of fighter he has fought. Please help me understand you logic. Call off a few name and i bet you will find a better fighter on Floyds list of challengers.

@JOSH says:
March 11, 2010 at 11:50 am
Is Floyd going to sell out the MGM arena this time? because last time when he fought an equally popular Marquez at the same venue, they have to give away tickets to fill some extra seats that were left vacant.

For anyone to think that Floyd -Moseley would pull better PPV numbers than Pac- Clotty fight, let’s just wait and see.
As far as I know, Pac-Clotty has their tickets already sold 45,000 of them. Compare to MGM which holds 17,000. Floyd- Moseley could not sell out that figure for the few hours it came out. PAC- and an unknown opponent sell 24,000 tickets in just few hours on the first day it came out. Just imagine that if it was Pac against another Moseley, it will even further dwarf any Mayweather bout.

If Berto-Moseley had pulled thru, Floyd would be fighting a nobody and it would have been a PPV disaster for the Money freak Floyd.

Here is a simple analysis who the better draw is:

Floyd vs. Nobody = PPV failure

Pac vs. Nobody = PPV by the Millions.

Floyd vs. Somebody = PPV 900,000 to a Million.

Pac vs. Somebody = PPV record dwarfing dela hoya/ mayweather bout.

by the way this is just a projection based on the current statistics where Pac is the current recipient of such and such boxing awards that Floyd and his tinny brained fans can only dream of.
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Are you serious guy.. You are soo stupid. Just think about what you saying and then compare everything. Hold up let me help you because I see you have some of that masking agent in your eyes as well. Let me help you if i can: How many seats does the Dallas stadium holds, yeah over 100,000. Now how many seats does the MGM holds, yeah 17,000. So, based on simple math which is what we learned in Elementary. If you have more seating you are going to have more people. Now, lets continue on the simple math theory. If i have 17,000 seats sealing from $150-$1250 and You have 40,000 seats selling at a whopping “$50″-$700. The last time i checked 150 is 3 times greater than 50. so, it will take 3 times as many seats to be sold at the Dallas Stadium to achieve the ammount of money that will be made at that MGM. So in simple math more mean better just not in the case when you have less that cost more than the greater. YOu are exactly right when you say they may have sold more tickets in a shorter period of time..If its cheap and everyone can afford it, you will have large numbers of purchasers in a short period of time..Once agiain basic logic and math.

This is what makes GBP so smart when it comes to marketing and PPV. Why in the heck will you want to fight in a 100,000 seat stadium at $50-$700, when you can fight in a 17,000 seat hotel and make more money at the gates. I am not finished, because this going to blow you mind. The more people at comes to the fight the less the PPV will be. Thats the beauty of business and marketing. ITs called supply and demand. You provide a little to receive alot in other areas. Simple business tatics. The 20,000 tickets that Pac out sell Floyd by, he will make those 20,000 up on PPV. Manny would have less PPV because 40,000 people was at the fight. That is why Floyd and GBP are the better businessmen here. IT is soooo Simple and still you Ignorant, Blind, Brainwashed individuals.

@tobol says:
March 11, 2010 at 11:21 am

Guy you are really crazy and an idiot? You say he didn’t say this and that. Well he also said that he promoters do his talking for him. So, when you let stupid people speak for you and you dont’ come out until almost 2 months later to say what you mean, then its deemed to be your word. If you say you don’t care about blood testing as long as its not up to the day of the fight then why not say it at the mediation and sign the contract. You are exactly right when you say random is random, but no one really knows how often it would have been. I am more than certain that these people wouldn’t wake a fighter up every single night and ask for blood. I am pretty sure they understand that a boxer has to rest and train. So, quit being so simple minded on this matter. The rest of the garbage you wrote isn’t work me even commenting on. SUCH a BIG JOKE>>>>ha ha ha ha ha

The reason why Manny can fill a 45,000 arena is because of his greatness. AS far as I can remember Golden Boy had to give a lot of tickets away just to make a 15000 capacity venue look filled up in Maywhether’s last fight with Marquez, Im sure he is a more popular dance partner compared to Clottey. Sure, with a more popular dance partner, the Shane-KFC fight may produce a bigger American PPV results and that can only be expected with two all-american fighters as compared to a a great fighter from the Philippines and a tough one from Ghana. Cmon Floyd, swallow your pride and lower your demand to make your fight with Pacman happen. You need this more than he does. That’s all I can say

If MoneyMay is so good then why isn’t he pound for pound king? Why isn’t he Fighter of the year? I’m sure you’ll come up with a lame excuse that he retired for about a year but then, why isn;t he fighter of the decade? And who has a history of ducking fighters who are perceived to be his match? And finally , who do you think is more bitter about the failed KFC – Pac fight? As much as Manny wants to beat Floyd he doesn’t really need it as much as KFC does because there are great fights that can be made if he continues to make it difficult for Manny

Sorry for the lengthy post…just trying to look at this thing from a different perspective…

As far there being baseless accusations, about Pac’s alleged PED use. Up to this point, that is true. Who’s refuting that? I’m not.

We all know Pac has not been PROVEN to be a PED’s user. That’s why he was asked to take the mutually applied OSDT. His refusal does not make him guilty, but, it leaves the questions looming.

A reasonable person is not going to, wholeheartedly; believe the opinions of the Mayweathers, Malinaggi, etc. Those opinions could simply be motivated by jealously. They are not experts, and have produced no hard evidence.

However, talking trash is one thing. But, when someone goes as far as asking for additional testing, they are genuinely concerned. It goes beyond petty feelings of jealously, or trying to gain the advantage.

Please, don’t take the following out of context. I’m simply using this as an analogy.

Consider this…there’s a woman you were dating, and you hadn’t become sexually active with her, yet. But, some of your friends told you they knew of a guy she used to date, who recently died of AIDS. Would you begin to look at her suspiciously, at all? Let’s say you do, just a bit. It’s human nature to feel that way. Obviously, we want to protect ourselves, before all else. On top of that, you and her are out on a date, and a few of her former associates are at the bar, and you notice they begin to whisper about you and her, and shake their heads in disgust. Would that make your suspicions grow, at all? Probably so…no shame in that.

Now, maybe you figure, it’s not time to rock the boat, by asking questions about her past, since you’re not sure if you are going get past first base, anyway. However, she’s decides she likes you enough, and on this night, she wants to have sex with you. So, you get back to her place, and things get heavy. You have these concerns on your mind, but, you don’t want to mess up the mood. So, what do you do? Do you put on a condom, and take your chances? Condoms can break, sometimes, and once you’ve got the “bug”…you’ve got it for life. Or, do you stop the lovemaking, in its tracks, sit her down, and express your concerns? Let’s say, you’re thinking with the right head, and you do the latter.

Now, these are serious questions. So, she may take them as accusations, which could compromise the relationship, altogether. But, you ask, anyway. She confirms she used to date the guy your friends told you about (but didn’t know about his death), and she also met those people at the bar, through her ex, sometime ago (but didn’t notice what you did). She goes on to say, she’s been, recently, tested for STI’s, by taking a urine test. But, she admits, she not done an HIV test. Now, let’s assume this takes place 15-20 years ago, when there weren’t swabbing tests for HIV, and the accepted method was only blood testing. She says she does not like having her blood drawn, anyway. And since she has NEVER tested positive for any other STI’s and she did not have any symptoms, taking the HIV test was not necessary.

You can tell she’s uncomfortable with this line of questioning, and wants to end the conversation. But, you decide to press it a bit more, because, you know you don’t plan to go any further, intimately, until you confirm whether she’s infected or not. So, you propose going to the clinic with her, and also taking the test, and then you can both share the results with each other. If all is well, then you can pick up where you left off, if not….maybe you can just be friends…

Considering this analogy, were you wrong to ask her to take the test? Since she has NEVER tested positive for any other type of STI, and NEVER tested positive for HIV/AIDS (even though she’s not taken a blood test for this before), do you have a basis for asking her to take the test? All you have as the basis for asking for the test is, what your friends told you that they thought they knew, what you noticed from the people at the bar, her admission that the she was connected to all those people, at one point, the understanding that HIV/AIDS is rampant, the knowledge that she has not taken this type of test before, and your own intuition. But, is that really enough?

Now, we know that PBF and Manny agreed to some degree of blood testing, they just couldn’t see eye-to-eye on the cut-off. But, my point is that Floyd’s request, was, more than likely, based on concerns expressed by other people (some close to him) in the sport, Manny’s extraordinary performances, of late, his own experience moving up in weight, an understanding that PED’s are rampant in sports, an understanding the testing used is not completely adequate, expert’s opinions, and his own intuition. While this does not constitute PROOF, by any means, it is enough to justify ASKING for additional testing. Moreover, he knew he was risking a $40 million payday, and alienating a certain segment of his fan base, which affects his bottom line. But, it appears he felt his safety, in the ring, was more important than that.

The one dimensional fighter is long gone.

The head movement alone is in sequence with his foot movement. His bouncing foot works co-exist with the punching power. Gone are the days of straight forward assault. His movement is dictated by the other boxer. Lightning in and out strikes then the volume assault when the other boxer is confused and not knowing where the punches are coming from. Angles that penetrate conventional defensive postures. Then ultimately, the addition of the right hand. Other boxer will now have to worry about both hands and that my friends is perfection on impossing fear to the other man.

But we can thank PED for all of this. Oh what about his stamina? He’s always had it. Go watch the pacquiao classics. Yeah you read that right, I said classics.

CLOTTEY’s trainer said during the HBO special “The Road To Dallas” that he don’t need to watch any Manny video. He was his cut man in the early and mid 2000. He said he knows how Manny fights and saw it first hand.

I guess you can say that he’s also one of those cats that still calls Manny Pacquiao one dimensional.

Horses with blinders. Just racing around the tracks all day long.

I wonder if PED’s can make Manny Pacquaio dance any better. just saying you know. Would like to see him after he retires in “Dances With Stars” and see if he does better than Floyd.

@ jesus jones

where did i mention solis lol. and i didnt say marquez beat pac twice i said he took him to hell and back twice. don’t twist what i said. im trying to refrain from getting personal but your making yourself out to look like a dick.

I went further down and read your post. If your remove the blinders and stop being critical and give your true unbiased opinion. In the end, your just making excuses to satisfy what you hold dear to yourself.

The man fought class a fighters. Then you named Solis and made it look like a sham. It was a tune up fight. Like Floyd fighting Marquez. It was a joke.

Marquez on the first fight would not have been a draw. One of the judges openly admit to his mistake. Yes it was a hard fight and so was the second. And it was very close and could have gone either way. It’s just like Lakers 101 vs Boston 100 and no matter how great Boston looked through out the game, Lakers still wins it. Someone had to win loose or draw in boxing.

The ultimate outcome of the Marquez vs Pacquaio was the fact that Manny wanted to get better. And better he did.

I wouldn’t doubt that you are one of these cats that calling on a Marquez vs Pacquiao III aren’t you?

The bad news is that it’s not even going to come close. While Marquez still boxes the way he does since fighting Pacquiao, Pacquiao has left the old and in the new 4 fights ago. The man learned from mistakes and understood the difference between a draw, a lose and win. When you know all of that. There’s nothing left to do but BOX.

Someone we know could learn that simple lesson.

whoever wins Mosley or Mayweather there will be no Pacquiao fight. If Mosley wins, a rematch clause preclude that, if Mayweather is victorious same thing there will be no Manny Floyd fight because Floyd is going to duck him by pricing himself out claiming his PPV buys with Mosley are greater than Pacquiao Clottey. So boxing fans should just grin and bear it whatever Floyd Jr. says and wants because he is the face of boxing and he doesnt care about boxing fans. Lets just wait for Floyd vs Paulie or Hatton or Campbell.

Ares: read my post below if you think pac fought the best.

You insinuating that Manny is a cheat with that statement. because what your saying is that Manny did not fight the best because he’s on something.

Your just another sale person with a sales pitch. Save your time and don’t walk me around the block with this one. your better off smoking the OG KUSH and watching cartoons.

I don’t mean to disrespect but I have read you older post and like a dog chasing it’s tail, it never cocludes to anything.

@ jesus jones

read my post below if you think pac fought the best.

@ Kray

Manny Pacquiao fought for the belt(s). He fought the fighters who were on the top of the food chain and were raining champions in their respected divisions. For De La Hoya, he challenge Pacquiao. De La Hoya trying to be at the top of the food chain by beating the man ( The Little Man ). Critics and sports writers wrote off Manny saying things like it’s not fair. There should be a rule to protect smaller fighters and so on and so on. I had my money on De La Hoya and have been since the 90′s. It was money in my pocket no matter how much I liked the little guy. Cotto was the number one contender and the champ. Didn’t bet on that one. I was still not sure with pacquiao no matter how great he’s been since I started watching him in early 2000. I’m a betting man and decided to sit it out.

Go on and play the shot and Manny’s on PED’s script. It’s a lot easier to follow than make up your own mind. I’m pissed off at Mayweather for doing boxing fans wrong. As much as we would like to blame both. It’s crystal clear who made this fight to fail. It is not a conspiracy, A rocky detective from the LAPD would have solve this crime with his eyes closed. All he had to do was listen to all the clues.

@ Deisel

Floyd: Yeah sure you can have all of those not a problem.
Manny: How about a one night stand with your wife?
Floyd: Sure, you can have that and do it on my bed.
Manny: And your favorite car?
Floyd: All yours Manny, take em. Okay

Manny: Okay, what do you want Floyd?
Floyd: I just want you to bungee jump off the bridge butt naked with the bungee tied on your pecker.

Manny: WHAT?
Floyd: It’s all I ask. Didn’t I give you everything you wanted?

ares……nobody is refusing the drug test. the one that manny refused is the method used which is blood testing. blood testing is seldom used in drug testing. the universally accepted method of testing is the urine analysis which manny agreed to. whoever do the testing they can do it anytime even everyday until the day of the fight if they have to. i think this is more that enough to keep him clean. they can also do it randomly.

all the major sports in the US still prefer the urine analysis. anybody who insist blood testing method for drug test has no/little knowledge about drug testing. the majority of the athletes caught using PEDs were those who tested through urine analysis.

Truth is, Mayweather wants the purse but don’t wanna take the chance of losing his “O”, especially to a smaller man. If he really wants Pac, he should have agreed to fight without any conditions. But Floyd himself is doubtful if he could beat Pac. If Floyd will loose to Pac, it will be a “BIG” humiliation to GBP Promotions. After Pac retired ODLH, PBF will only become a stone in the corner once he loose.

The fight wont happen unless MANNY get’s his way and FLOYD doesnt. PAC and his team wanna be in charge, but if they have to compromise it wont happen. LIke the writer said, FLOYD gave in to MANNY’s 10 million per pound over 147, oh and he also gave MANNY the glove size he wanted. MAYWEATHER wanted only one thing and it would not be unfair as both fighters would have had to go through the testing, but the gloves and penalty would only benefit PAC. So it does look like PAC is DUCKING FLOYD since he wont fight him unless FLOYD lets PAC bully him throughout the negotiations, if PAC really wanted to fight him he would have agreed to the 14 day cut off for the blood and the fight would have happened and it would have been great. But now it seems that it wont happen and well it makes PAC look like a duck. And now FOYD is fighting the fighter PAC ducked andh MONEY is fighting him without a catchweight when PAC or his team refused to fight MOSLEY even when he was willing to come down to 142 or 143 and put his belt on the line to fight him oh and he was willing to concede the lions share to PAC. WOW and they call MONEY a DUCK. VEry funny. MONEY MAY all THE WAY. The true P4P CHAMP.

You put these guys side by side (Floyd and Pac) and ask them a straight question.

Are you guys willing to prove whose the best in the ring and give boxing fans an exciting fight?

The other say yes in a heartbeat the other will say…my sport is a clean sport blah…blah…blah..

JesusJones,

That’s the best example of “Floyd speak.”

The day after the Cotto fight he was interviewed:

“Pacquiao is a good fighter, but I don’t see nothing special. He’s a one dimensional fighter, easy money, EASY money.”

Now in recent interviews:

“After 25 you don’t go from being ordinary to being EXTRAordinary, it doesn’t happen in the sport of boxing. Blacks and mexicans have always ruled boxing, if it’s another race it’s abnormal.”

So is Floyd saying Manny sucks? Or he’s the best thing since sliced bread? That’s the way some of these posts go, it’s annoying, albeit funny.

dayummm,

Again you keep saying it’s Manny. For Mayweather I can tell you right now Manny/Roach wanted to get in the ring w/him. Maybe Arum convinced Manny otherwise, or Arum doesn’t know how to STFU. Manny will fight whoever. The only boxer I’ve heard Manny “duck” is Yuri Foreman, he said he would fight Mayweather (repeatedly I may add) and Mosley.

@ Fighter

Floyd tried explaining why he wanted Manny to take the test and why he thinks Manny Pacquiao is on PED’s.

Floyd Junior: “You can’t be ORDINARY and then becomes EXTRAORDINAY”.. This is Floyd Jr. acknowledging the greatness on Manny Pacquiao, INADVERTENTLY.

Now I’m going to pretend to be a Floyd Jr. fan for one minute and say things like, yeah he’s right. Floyd knows what’s up. Manny has to be on PED. Then for one second I sarcastically said, “It would be crazy if Manny is not on PED’s”. That means, Floyd jr just called Pacquaio “GREAT”, lol!!!!!… No way, that would be crazy. We’ll stick to what Floyd is saying, it’s more realistic. “NOW PASS THE OG KUSH TO THE LEFT HAND SIDE”

How exactly did Floyd duck Pac when he made the same request of Shane Mosley who didn’t hesitate to accept?

How can Floyd be the ducker when it was Pac who walked away from the negotiations stating he would not give blood any later than 24 days before the fight – yet he goes and gives blood 19 days before his fight with Clottey?

Why is it so hard for Pacfans to understand such a simple, simple, simple conclusion?

Manny didn’t want the fight with EITHER Mosley or Mayweather. That doesn’t mean he’s scared of them – maybe his camp decided it was too risky. Maybe his advisers said ‘Wait, make more money fighting other guys, and save the risky opponents for last.’ Maybe Arum stepped in and advised against it because he truly hates Golden Boy, De la Hoya, and Mayweather – all of whom took or are taking money away from his promotions company, Top Rank.

In the end, it doesn’t matter what the reason was – it doesn’t change the fact that it was MANNY who DUCKED BOTH Mosley and Mayweather. Whatever excuse or reason he had, it doesn’t change that very fact.

@ Tobol

You hit the nail right on the head!! Floyd fans are not reacting coz their busy thinking how to defend their chicken..

What I said was a little complicated for high functioning retards. Let me make it plain;

It’s not right for the Writer to ASSume that Floyd had genuine intentions, with regard to the blood issue. Although I agree, that Manny has fought shot, spent, and/or defeated fighters (FACT: ODLH, Hatton, Cotto), and he would be following the same pattern if he fought Shane, after beating Clottey, a fighter who had lost previous to this fight.

1. Floyd’s intentions

2. Manny’s fight patterns

2 completely different things. How is that “folded” into one? A$$HOLE!! Wait, I just saw Rush Hour 3 again, is it A$$ HOLE…or A$$WHOLE?

@ Fighter

Stop fantasizing. Manny is not going to take on Mosley if he loses. Manny want’s to fight Floyd. It’s all up to Floyd. Call it what you want and call it head games. But for a guy to give an opinion about the writer and spin two excuses and fold them into one is just as bad. Go read what you wrote and see the contradiction splattered all over it. It’s just plain stupid.

@Dave, if he’s still around. I agree with some things you said, and disagreed with others. Early on, you seemed to take Mayweather at his word for being genuinely concerned about fighting a clean fighter. Before I say this, and get sh/t from both sides, I think it’s important that we give rational arguments, without letting our judgement be clouded by our allegiance to a particular fighter;

Now I don’t claim to be telepathic, or a mind reader, and therefore don’t know what’s in Floyd’s head. I honestly don’t think Manny can beat Floyd on or off ped’s. Just my opinion. I don’t think Floyd or his trainers think so either. But I do think he knows how to play head games. And better than Freddy and his pupil, thus the frustration of freddy. Maybe he was authentic in his argument, maybe Floyd was trying to get into his head. But for a journalist to assume that all Floyd was doing was this or that, is a bit biased.

On the other hand, at the end, Dave made an EXCELLENT point. IF….IF Shane loses to Floyd, and Manny takes him over Floyd, then we will be whitnessing the same old Mnny, fighting defeated fighters. Knowing the commissions, and bodies in this corrupt sport, they will probably give Manny Fighter of the next decade too. Sh/t, Floyd, or Andre Berto, or some other skilled boxer could go another 10 years beating everybody who’s anybody in the sport, and they would still give it to Manny, or a Manny like fighter. Politics are the worst.

ZzzZZzzzZZzzzZzZZZ……

Been there, done that. Roach and Pacquiao had the opportunity to fight both guys, and turned both of them down.

With Shane, their excuse was Mosley was too good, they needed to Cotto him (aka come down to a crippling catchweight).

With Floyd, their excuse was no drawing of blood 24 days before the fight. (Nevermind, that during the lead up to the fight with Clottey, Pacquiao gave blood 19 days before the fight).

And Pacfans still think Manny didn’t duck these two future HOF, p4P contenders?

yep, fight him all or nothing. manly style ha,

ok floyd fans here’s to debunk your arguments:
1. manny afraid of needles
-manny never ever ever ever said that period! only arum or koncz said that and seriously your tatoo argument doesnt even hold water, tatoos are done on pacs free tym!there’s no big fight coming up, no worrying if handicapped!

2. manny doesnt want random drug test
-fact: manny has never said that, all hes consistently said is he doesnt want blood tests taken close to the fight as he FELT he got weak during themorales fight, it was ARUM and ROACH who STRONGLY oppose the 14 day window,for all we know PAC would have agreed to 18 or 16 days, ROACH argument is he dont want to bow to floyds demands, no one is bigger than sports, ARUM says it’s harassment

3.why he walk away from 40 mil, is he guilty?
-why risk losing by feeling weak and get 40mil in return. It’s not ALL about the money, manny’s carrying 90miliion hopes AND DREAMS of filipinos, losing and disappointing their hopes is not worth it! this is pinoy pride were talking about, pinoy would go to absurd lengths to defend their honor and pride. PAC is a hero in the phil, 0% crime rate on fight nights. family feasts and enemies put aside differences when he fights, People die of heart attacks when he fights.So you people should understand why pacnuts and pactards defend him that much

4.if he has nothing to hide, why he dont agree on my terms
-cant you just respect that fact that he dont like taking blood close to the fight, why willfully impose something he’s not comfortable with that’s basedon PURE suspicion..what if i suspect you being gay and to prove you’re not I impose you to s*ck my d*ck and if you get a hard on then you’re gay andyoull get 40 mil $, i just want to level the playing field, who knows,during fight night you grab my balls, that’s how ridiculous floyd’s demand is, demanding on pure suspicion and throwing ridiculous condition.

5. its just a few teaspoon of blood
-random is random, anytime, anyday,any frequency 5 times consecutive is more than a teaspoon, you’ll be waken up at mid night, you know how inconvenient and disrupting it is and you know deep inside you arent even taking drugs, that’s big impact on your psyche

6.PAC must be on PEDS as he went up weight and demolishing fighters
-fact PAC has mostly been dehydrating himself and comes to 145lbs at fight night so he didnt actually gain significant weight. his accomplishments are a COMBINATION of a lot of things, ARIZA conditioning improving manny footwork and ring generalship, ROACH strategy improving right hand and fighting smart and calm and measured fights, tell me, CAN PEDS do that?? all you have to do is watch and compare manny’s fights, he WAS a 1 dimensional fighter before and yet he’s knocking out top notch quality fighters

FACE it floyd fans! the only 1 thing that supports your suspicion is PACS refusal to give in to floyds ridiculous demand and dont even compare that to 10mill $ penalty,the penalty has a very valid basis, FLOYD has done it and purposedly went overweight, yeah PURPOSELY, didnt even make any effort to trim the weight after asking marquez to go up 2 divisions, and dont say it happens to all fighters, FRAUD purposely did it, from day one he had no intention to make weight, DAN rafael has documented all that, fraud submitted paperworks to the commision so late to avoid fines, look it up. Reason people hating on floyd is because his intentions are not pure, his family is a history of thugs and criminals and now suddenly hes got this noble intention to clean the sports? that’s hypocrisy at the highest level, the single truth is, he wants to get inside manny’s head and demand ridiculous requests based on PURE suspicion that dont even hold credible basis

CONCLUSION: both camps are to blame but more on floyd, pac could have agreed
to 18 or 16 days, hr could have convinced arum or roach to give in a bit but roach and arum knows fight of this magnitude needs more time for training and promotion. i pity manny because his reputation is the one getting tarnished and manny as we all know dont have the best PR skills in the world because of his poor educational background,his ncomprehension and poor english skills are now being viewed as lying, ARUM should take the blame more instead of PAC.

Preston ,Mayweather and Mosleys drug test hasn’t been decided yet as far as (who,what or where will do it).I think that is what you do not understand.I may have missed something in the last couple days but I don’t think they have announced who will be doing it have they ? If the boxing commission is in charge of it at least it may be some what un-bias as to when,where and how often they do it.If you allow a certain athlete to decide these things do you really believe that he is making his decision on making it fair to his opponent ? Some athletes maybe – but Mayweather – PLEASE !! Lets wait and see if the testing is as strict as he wanted with Manny. It’s a head game period !!

fanatics, ball kisser,floylites,paclites. etc
is a personal attack .

lapu lapu @I just said have fun tease the fighter,they get paid to take it,dont tease the opponent fans ,as it become personal.work both sides

We can all sat this and that… But the bottom line is who cares… they must fight next… to end this c!!!!
Floyd said this Manny said that. Guys you all sound like whes!

preston,

I may have been mistaken, I apologize if I was, but many other May Fans run into the same logic in my previous post. I get confused w/posters here btw. I’m not clairvoyant, and neither is anyone else here. I don’t know if Pac is taking PEDs, I’m not saying he isn’t, what I am saying is there is no reason to think otherwise. One non credible person says he is and it spreads like wild fire.

It’s difficult because no matter how you see it, PBF is siding w/what is “right.” Blood testing should be instituted, I for one, think it’s a great idea, more so in boxing. It’s the reasoning behind it and the lack of initiative w/his grand scheme that infuriates me. Not one person in history had to institutionalize a rule/law/regulation and throw somebody under the bus in the process.

I’m too lazy to look back at your previous posts, but I’m sure you’d agree. To say Floyd is not besmirching Manny is being bias in my opinion. He uses this circling rhetoric to say, he’s guilty, but he’s not, all through implications, I find it annoying. Passive aggressive (a big pet peeve for me). I think he’s doing it more so because he’s under a law suit. Bottom line Pac agreed to testing under predisposed conditions, for whatever reason, Floyd could have taken it if he so chose, but he didn’t. Every small step would have been at least a step in his “cause.”

Prove me wrong but I think Floyd will fight Pacquiao (if and only if) these conditions below are met, else Floyd will jump start again with his demands.

1.) the money
2.) the location
3.) the gloves
4.) the ropes
5.) the weight
6.) the random blood testing to gain psychological advantage
7.) and anything else he could think of had to be his

Because Floyd knew that if gets KO’ed by Pac hes done for.

His fight with Hatton is a testament to his dirty fighting tactics. If it’s Manny Pacquiao his fighting I bet he’d get KO’ed (PBF_TheCheat_CortezIncompetent_Part2).

Seriously, of all the things that are really plaguing the sport, I would have thought that bad judging and too many titles ranked way higher on the list over steroids. So he’s the savior for cleaning up something that wasn’t even hurting the sport. No one that has tried to justify Floyd’s demand can find a fighter that has done better while doping.

Floyd turned it into a circus.

Floyd requested extra testing.

Pac denied it because he had no reason to accept it.

So instead of just making a fight BECAUSE ALL OTHER ISSUES WERE ALREADY SETTLED, Team Mayweather goes to the media and says that Pac is hiding something and that the only way the fight would be fair is if they did random testing.

Do you see what happened there? Pac had no reason to agree to testing. But instead of just fighting, Team Mayweather had to imply that Pac is dirty, otherwise their request would never fly.

It still doesn’t.

I don’t understand how Pac denying the test makes him the one responsible for turning the whole thing into a circus. He didn’t have to. So him disagreeing means that Floyd had to run and complain to the media? Didn’t Arum call it too? Didn’t he ask Mayweather to not promote through the media during the post fight conference for Pac-Cotto? Isn’t that exactly what Floyd did?

You keep bringing up the Mosley situation, but that is a totally different scenario. Besides, what do you think FLoyd would have done if Mosley said he wasn’t gonna test? I doubt he would have made testing that big a deal because then he’d be left with no one to fight.

so floyd say he going to clean up boxing ha,ha its is a way out as he better start by not being a dirty fighter himself. fighting using his elbow,Iam surprise ricky took thoes elbows and didn’t complaint or get serious hurt.shows he knows he dont have any power.

wowza- but c’mon man…….I aint never said anything like that…………..I never said that Pacs refusal makes him guilty.

preston,

Uhm…. that’s exactly what your previous posts implied. I respect everyone’s opinions here. Even I get annoyed by rabid Pacfans. But you can’t be equivocal when taking a stance, you’re either saying one thing, or the other. You can’t say both. It’s like “Floyd speak.”

If he doesn’t take the test it’s saying he’s guilty, but I never said he’s guilty. What? Or, Mosley lost 5x there’s a blueprint to beat him he’s nothing, but he’s a future HOF and it’ll be a great fight. It’ this rhetoric that’s just annoying, so round a bout.

what is more dangerous ? a maybe steroid fighter ,or a fighter that purposely punch and follow with his elbow? floyd used his elbow in fighting about 10 times.
the elbow is a dirty street tactic you use to take down any huge guy.if you hit him in the tempo you can kill him.
copy and paste this in goggle .
PBF_TheCheat_CortezIncompetent_Part2

Honestly- You are 100% correct……these Pac guys make a lot of presumtous statements in their enduring and undying defense of Pac, Doesnt it seem like, regardless of the circumstance, that these Pac fans ALWAYS find a way to justify Pac in ANYTHING? How much of an honest conversation can you have with these guys when thet flat out refuse to admit, acknowledge or concede ANYTHING that portrays Manny Pacquiao in anything other than a saintly figure. Manny Pacquiao has done a lot of exciting things in the ring, and he conducts himself in public with nothing but class…..but that shouldnt stop anyone from callin ghim or his team out on anything that they do wrong………and a messgae for the Pac fans……………he is wrong about things sometimes. The blood testing issue was turned into a fiasco, not by Mayweather, but by Pac himself, who seem to come up with a new excuse and reason for not taking the test each week………….look at how the issue played out with Mosely…….all of the hoopla surrounding that issue with Pac, is none existing now……….nobody is talking about abiding only by the ‘commission rules”, or Floyd “changing the rules”, or even the sufficiency of the current urine test. And what will be the response to this from the typical Pac fan………Shane HAD to test because he is an admitted user. True enough, that Shane is an admitted user, but why arent the same arguments about the “commission rules” that were good enough for Pac, arent good enough for him????………………….because with Pac EVERYTHING changes with him by his fans to suit him.

@Honestly

Your argument is weak. You’re saying, everyone who’s a good boxer must be on steroids? Is that your argument? Floyd must be on steroids. He’s come up in weight over the years, he’s undefeated, so he’s gotta be on steroids right?

Kray – your post below was hands down, one of the most objective opinions epressed by people on both sides of the fences……that is the type of comment that I love to read.

@kray

Whatever the case may be, there’s no way I’m ever going to be convinced that Mayweather demands for the random blood tests were because he wanted to be the guy to clean up the sport of boxing. Why didn’t he ask Marquez to take random blood tests? The demands for the blood tests were a direct result of his father’s baseless accusations of steroid use by Pacquiao. I agree that Pacquiao’s requests, specifically the “over the weight limit stipulation”, were only directed at Mayweather, but at least there was reason to ask for it. Mayweather had no intention of ever meeting the agreed upon catch weight in the Marquez bout. Who’s to say he wouldn’t do the same thing in a Pacquiao fight.

Mayweather asked for the drug tests because his camp believed that there was no way Pacquiao could be going through his opponents so easily without “help.” Pacquiao never failed a drug test….ever. So just because some uneducated fool thinks Pacquiao is cheating because he destroyed the guy he was training, it makes it okay to ruin someone’s reputation and cast a cloud over his entire career? Perhaps maybe Pacquiao is just better, and maybe that’s why he keeps beating everyone so easily. Why can’t that be the reason? Floyd Sr. has to find excuses for why Hatton got destroyed. Maybe it’s because Hatton has always been an overrated fighter, and maybe because Floyd Sr. just isn’t a very good trainer.

And I’m going to bring this up again. If you are going to make accusations of steroid use, you have to come up with something more credible than A-Side Meth. I don’t see how anyone can take anyone in the Mayweather camp seriously after that.

@ ZAKEE :

you are the man!! top rank will again want the deck stacked in their favor(gloves, weight etc..)..floyd didn’t shed a tear over it he just maned up and accepted it..if manny dont fight floyd under the terms of BOTH sides then long live the legacy of manny* ……floyd always has been the bigger draw..and lately fighting better opponents so he deserves 50/50 for the money and negotiations..

First of all Mayweather has to get through the tough task of Mosley for any negotiations between May and Manny. Manny also has to get through a tough fight in Clottey. I think Mosley has a very good chance of knocking Mayweather out. He has speed, power, and PBF isn’t strong enough to knock Mosley out. PBF had trouble with Castillo and Judah and Mosley is way above those guys in terms of power, speed, and skills. We have two exciting fights that both fighters have to win before we can talk about Manny vs PBF.

Well Mayweather was the first to come out on his extreme end saying, blood testing all the way up until the fight, unlimited, random. His way of saying he won’t fight Pacquiao. Also the split wouldn’t be 50/50. The $10 mill over the weight is a no brainer, the fight is at full WW 147, there should be no excuse to come in above weight.

When Roach said he prefers to fight Mosley, it is because it’ll be a more exciting fight. I would like to know the OUTCOME of Pacquiao/Mayweather, but I’d much rather WATCH Mosley/Pacquiao, my opinion.

I wonder why Roach wants Mosley to win so bad???? Is it because he knows Pacquiao cant beat Floyd. And Pacquaio can say well Im fighting the winner only and bypass Floyd if he were to lose. Floyd will win the fight against Mosley, and then Pacquio’s hand will then be forced again… Pacquaio’s first real test will come against Mayweather… If he beats Mayweather, I’ll give him all the credit in the world…. I jst dont see it.

No matter what anyone says this fact remains clear. If you have nothing to hide you are willing to prove it. When you consider the fact that you could earn 25 to 30 million dollars for one fight and prove that you are the best fighter in the world today there should be nothing to talk about. You take that fight!! Hell most fighters would be willing to take a blood test between rounds for that kind of money. A lot of these so called fans don’t like Mayweather because they say he has a big mouth but so did Cassius Clay before he became Muhammad Ali. All smart athletes market themselves and Floyd “Money ” Mayweather has capitalized on the guaranteed reaction from a predictable part of our society. Both Floyd and Manny have paid their dues to become the premiere fighters they are and despite what you think of them from a personality perspective they both can fight! So lets get it on. In regards to the testing, ask yourself this question. Has the testing ever hurt the chances or the performance of our Olympic Athletes? Based on the the results our country has enjoyed over the years the testing has been in effect the answer is clearly NO! Forget the BS excuses and take the test Manny. “Lets Get Ready To Rumble”

@davelahrisbrilliant– You are mistaken. The request for OSDT was, originally, in the negotiations. This has been stated many, many times, throughout all of this. Manny did not want OSDT drug testing, so Floyd revised his request, only asking that it be random (not UNLIMITED like OSDT requires), include blood testing, and be done no more than 14 days from the fight. He also gave Manny the option of choosing the agency to perform the testing they would both have to undergo. Manny came down to 24 days, ONLY because he was found to have taken a standard blood test, for HIV, 24 days prior to fighting Hatton. Otherwise, he would have stuck to his original offer of 30 days.

The mediator said that is was Manny’s camp who were misrepresenting the details of the negotiations…not Floyd’s camp. So, where are you getting details from?

It comes down to one thing, between these two men. They could not agree on how to make sure the playing field was even. Manny made a request, outside the norm, and Floyd accepted. Floyd made a request, outside the norm, and Manny rejected that request and made a counteroffer, which was a far cry from what was, originally, asked of him. His counteroffer was considered not suitable, and it was rejected, by Floyd.

It’s been overdramatized quite a bit. But, what I find it to be is that both these men had apprehensions about facing one another, and did what they felt was necessary to keep the other “honest”.

There is one glaring difference though. Floyd took this, initially, self-serving OSDT request, and has gone on record to say he will continue to do this, with all opponents, for the sake of setting an example in the sport. It may not persuade ALL to follow, but, it is simply his stated goal, which he seems to be sticking to. Manny on the other hand, did NOT continue to request excessive weight penalties, in attempt to keep his opponents “honest”. He, in fact, went on to face an even bigger man, with a history of coming in heaver than what the standard WEIGHT LIMIT allows (something Floyd has never done), and imposing NO stipulations. To make matters worse, he then takes a blood test 19 days before that fight, and spars like a madman, THE VERY NEXT DAY. Yet, he would meet Floyd halfway, on the blood testing?

Manny’s motives were, without a doubt, ONLY directed at Floyd. IMO, he was very insecure about fighting Floyd, and wanted all things related to matters in the ring, to be in his favor. He even felt the blood testing would affect him, in the ring, more than Floyd. He said on Jimmy Kimmel Live recently, that he felt because Floyd was BIGGER than him, he would not be affected by the test closer to the fight. So, that’s why, he said, he wanted the test farther out. This is yet another contradiction, from what we’ve been hearing. But, it shows that Manny was more concerned about giving up ANY tactical advantages (actual or percieved) to FLOYD, in the ring, than anything else. He said nothing about a fear of needles, or being “superstitious”, etc.

I think if Pac and Floyd both destroy their opponents in their next fights and then retire, then Pac will definitely be the fighter of this era.

Even if Floyd beats Mosley, his toughest fight came against his oldest opponent.

Say what you want about Pac’s opponents, he still has the better resume. Mosley lost to Cotto who Pacquiao beat.

Don’t get it twisted. The only thing you can achieve by trying to downplay Pac’s opponents is leave the door open for people to downplay Floyd’s opponents.

at that point you have to go with the more exciting fighter (Pacquiao) with the better resume (Pacquiao).

@ROBERT HAROLD

you are a true pactard !!

abrum did a interview and said he is not waiting for the floyd or the may 1st fight results. he sais he is setting up a fight between manny and margarito. he sais he can sell 100,000 tickets at the dallas stadium with that matchup. what do you all think about manny fighting margarito next who just got destroyed by mosley. that would make this the 5th fighter in a row manny is fighting that is coming off a big loss.

Pacquiao is now well-off in the Philippines. He has invested his money well. #25 million is a lot of money but he can get that a mount and more than that in other sources like TV commercials, shows, product endorsements, etc.

Manny can retire without fighting Mayweather. He can live and his family comfortably for the rest of their lives. Just the commercial endorsements in his native Philippines and maybe outside can get him the $25 million he didn’t get from the Mayweather fight.

Bri, that’s your opinion and I respect it. Most boxers want to be in the limelight so the’re using Pacquiao’s name just to be noticed. Berto, Bradley, Malignaggi, Campbell . . . and more. These guys need a good payday and it’s Pacquiao who can give them that.

Manny should not fight Mayweather anymore and I agree with Mr Jon Hatchet. Mayweather is a fraud. I was disgusted about all his loudmouth sprouting lies. I was a fan then but not now. There won’t be any problem of Pacquiao retiring after the Clottey fight. I tip my hat for him He is really the man in boxing. I hope there will be more like him after he retires. Pacquiao really gained my respect. I was not a fan of him before but I am now.

@bri

i think malinaggi is just a bit jealous of pacquiao. malinaggi is bitter that he has the punching power of a schoolgirl. pacquiao had more punching power than malinaggi when he was fighting at super featherweight. he shouldn’t be surprised that pacquiao still has more punching power than him now that he is at welter.

bri my friend you are still living in a fantasy world. Do you believe Mayeather is cleaning up boxing. He is doing it for his own interest. He wants to have all the advantages going to any fight. Just like going over the contracted weightin the Marquez fight. Mayweather is a cheat and liar at its best. Do you still believe in him? No way my man!

True boxing fans knew Floyd Jr. was not gonna fight Pacquiao. He used the random blood testing as his way out of the fight. Even Floyd Sr. said that he will not let his son fight Pacquiao like a good father should to protect his son because as a trainer he knows his son has no chance of beating Pacquiao roids or no roids.I think this fight is not gonna happen because if Floyd wins against Mosley hes going to price himself out saying he is the draw and of course Pacquiao will not agree to it.

jonhatchet floyd is doing it because this is the first time he could face someone that he believes to be on drugs. floyds not the only one to think something not right with manny. malignaggi has been saying it for a while now. and after cotto fight berto said something isnt right with manny and he needs to be tested. so its not just floyd thats saying manny might be on something. never the less manny did not want to fight with stipulation so he should stop talking about fighting floyd.

does anyone really believe that floyd is trying to “clean up” the sport of boxing? why wasn’t the olympic style drug testing in his original set of demands for the fight? this drug testing crap only came up towards the end of negotiations. everything was pretty much agreed to, then when floyd realized that the fight might actually happen, he threw the drug testing request out there. if pacquiao had agreed to the drug testing, mayweather would have found some other ridiculous demand, until pacquiao finally said no. you mayweather nuthuggers have to come to the realization that he never wanted to fight pacquiao. mayweather asked for the march 13th date hoping that pacquiao would say no, either because it was to soon after the cotto fight or because it was too close to his congressional elections…. then he would be able to say that pacquiao was ducking him. when pacquiao actually said yes, mayweather was stuck.. then had to start looking for ways to get out the fight.

and seriously.. a-side meth? are roger and floyd sr. serious about this? is this what they are actually basing their steroid accusations off of?

It was plain and simple Mayweather doesn’t like to fight Pacquiao. Why only now does Mayweather ask for a drug testing? He is already in the twilight of his career. He should have done it earlier if he thinks that he is doing this for the sake of boxing. The bottom line is, he is too scared to fight Pacquiao. I was A mAYWEATHER FAN, BUT NOT ANYMORE. hE IS A LIAR.

Roach doing a lot of talking for Manny that is cool, But we boxing fans want this fight next.. Please close your mouth get the deal done.

It looks to me like they BOTH had requests outside the NSAC norm. NSAC already has penalties for weight infractions, in championship fights. PBF’s last fight was at a CATCHWEIGHT of 144, it was a non-title bout, and he came in 2 lbs over. Correct me, if I am wrong, I belive the NSAC rule says you can weigh-in 1 lb over the limit in the bout agreement, without a fine, in a non-title bout. Yet, he decided to pay Marquez for BOTH pounds over. Has he EVER had to make a weight of 144, in his entire career? No. He’s only had to make 147, for the last 5 years ( or 3, since he was retired for 2). Was it a championship fight, which by NSAC rules, could’ve been cancelled, because of this? No. So the show could go on and it did. JMM was duly compensated for the two pounds, and to my knowledge was not using this as an excuse about why he lost.

Manny’s request was about gamesmanship, not about PBF having a history of cheating. He does NOT have a history of coming weighing-in over the WW limit. He does NOT have a history of weighing-in over the limit in ANY of his championship fights, in his ENTIRE career. So, the $10 mil per pound people penalty was NOT called for. It would’ve been a championship fight, and therefore could’ve been simply cancelled if PBF, came in too heavy. Or, if they still fought, anyway, it would have then been considered a non-title fight.

In terms of requests made outside the status quo, Manny’s request has more merit than Floyd. Both had a right to ask for special provisions in their contracts, whether there was any true basis for such a request. The difference is PBF accepted what Manny asked for, w/out complaint. Manny, on the other hand, took Floyd’s request and tried to change into one that suited him. And up to a certain point, Floyd allowed this. This shows that he was trying to make the fight happen, but not give up ALL the leverage to Manny.

Since Manny is now fighting against JC, who indeed does have a history of coming in over the standard weight limit, and he imposes NO fine, and takes a blood test 19 days before the day of the fight (when he would barely go below 30 days for PBF) shows he was insecure about facing PBF. He, obviously, does not have the same reverence, for Clottey.

PBF may have been a bit insecure about facing Manny too, after seeimg him walk through, “supposedly”, bigger fighters. That was also coupled with the opinions of other figures, in the sport (some close to him), who also said Manny was juicing. So, he, obviously, felt the need to make sure that was not the case BEFORE the fight, not after. But, the difference is, he has been careful to remain consistent, by requesting ALL future opponents, take these tests.

@WDF
yah you’re correct the ball was on manny court, they could have agreed on 16 or 18 days, i solely blame ARUM for that, that guy is very emotional, but then again maybe they are really thinking 3 months not enough time for training and promotion, i also blame stupid political ambition of pac, had he not wanted to take part in that, they could have fought on a much later date so more room for negotiation

QUESTION FOR EVERYONE. has anybody even seen the actual contract of demands for the pac-may fight? seriously, anybody? pac and may fans all claim they know what the requests were but do we really?

arum was actually ok with the blood test going up untill 14 days b4 the fight. when he brought it up to manny, manny said no. doesnt realy matter though. manny did not want to take the test and walked away and thats ok but he realy realy needs to stop talking about fighting floyd. talk bad about him all you want but stop talking about fighting him in the future. the big winnner out of this is mosley. thats why he is always smiling. win or not he goes home with a cool 20 million dollers 15 million after taxes. no state tax in nevada. so much for superstar manny.

@WDF
yeah you are correct it’s all psychological battle and floyd is now even demanding bigger slice even PPV are not up yet and obvious that mosley has more marketability than clottey
FACT: taking out the delahoy fight in comparing numbers, both pac and floyd has about equal PPV numbers, dont believe me? look up pre delahoya and post delahoya PPV numbers
FACT: delahoya both made them superstars
FACT: PAC has been on the cover on TIME magazine, named boxing of the decade so who you think should call the shots?

rok…

After the fight, Floyd has no more blood to give. In fact he
will be in the hospital needing blood transfusion.

@WDF
good to have healthy argument with you..my point on number 5 is, random testing will not take away 1 teaspoon as others keep mentioning, random can be 5 times consecutive in a week, that’s more than 1 teaspoon, that’s just so disrupting and inconvenient, i you felt weaken by that would you risk disrupting your hard training?..as for why you can’t understand why pac wouldn’t take the test, he said it numerous times, he dont want to take the test close to the fight,simple as that, 49 fights he didnt took test close to the fight, 1 fight he did and he felt weaken, mentally he got traumatized at morales fight, he felt weak, it’s his reservation, Roach compared it to having sex before the fight, some fighters ok with some dont, its that simple. PAC dont want blood taken close to the fight, floyd dont have issue with, well pac has, its that simple really, PAC is willing RIGHT after the fight, not agreeing 14 days is ALL ROACH AND ARUM, ROACH dont want to bow to floyd demand, ARUM insists its harassment

people don’t want to see him fight? but BRI want to watch the fight. lol

For myself, I like realism much more than Sci-Fi. I’m hoping that Dave here will start writing about a family who has become famous in boxing. Within the family there’s major turmoil. A colorful bunch of characters with criminal records longer than an insurance application for a major boob job. Lots of drug issues, domestic violence and attempted murders. Rise to power and the people who love them. I wouldn’t call it a remake of Robin Hood. it be something new and something fresh with a catch to it like the way Dave captures the imagination of things. I would title it “Rob N Hood”… Rob is for the fans who just can’t get it because there are people like Dave who thinks OJ Simpson is one cool guy.

floyd is in the biggest fight of the year and is making a tone of money and so is mosley so they are both happy.
manny is in a space where people no longer want to see him fight people coming off big losses. people tolerated it and watched looking foward to floyd vs manny. people realize that is not gona happen. clottey manny will not do good on ppv. floyd mosley will do great numbers 24/7 is gona hype that fight up to a hole new level. manny is gona have to fight the best welt out there and if floyd wins the only big money fight out there for him will be floyd no one is gona want to see him fight mosley if mosley looses against floyd. and he will not win that fight.

Is Floyd going to sell out the MGM arena this time? because last time when he fought an equally popular Marquez at the same venue, they have to give away tickets to fill some extra seats that were left vacant.

For anyone to think that Floyd -Moseley would pull better PPV numbers than Pac- Clotty fight, let’s just wait and see.
As far as I know, Pac-Clotty has their tickets already sold 45,000 of them. Compare to MGM which holds 17,000. Floyd- Moseley could not sell out that figure for the few hours it came out. PAC- and an unknown opponent sell 24,000 tickets in just few hours on the first day it came out. Just imagine that if it was Pac against another Moseley, it will even further dwarf any Mayweather bout.

If Berto-Moseley had pulled thru, Floyd would be fighting a nobody and it would have been a PPV disaster for the Money freak Floyd.

Here is a simple analysis who the better draw is:

Floyd vs. Nobody = PPV failure

Pac vs. Nobody = PPV by the Millions.

Floyd vs. Somebody = PPV 900,000 to a Million.

Pac vs. Somebody = PPV record dwarfing dela hoya/ mayweather bout.

by the way this is just a projection based on the current statistics where Pac is the current recipient of such and such boxing awards that Floyd and his tinny brained fans can only dream of.

pac agreed on blood testing but right after the fight. is there something wrong with that?

tonol-..ur defence of pac is what his team said?!lol
maybe manny should speak up then..its his fault he pays others to do his talkin,so we have to believe what his people say if he isnt saying anything.
and if u knew anything about mayweather u would know first off he hasnt fought lower than 147 for like 5 years and he is in his thirties and he is all muscle..u think he can easily lose weight to make a catchweight?
also the catchweight wasnt ther at the start when fight was announced against marquez becos i heard mayweather himself say that it was at 147 which means it was changed later so it wud be even more difficult to lose the weight on late notice.
whatever the reason is u know and evryone else knows $10 million a pound is a ridiculoud amount to ask for as a penalty.
ur makin excuses for his psyche?u dont know him and if he has a problem giving blood for superstitius reasons then he is going against his own religion.
its obvious arum and pacs team never wanted fight,maybe wasnt enough time to build it or whatever but they wer the ones wanting to call all the shots and when they dont get to they act like little babies.
i mean come on..the guy wants a lawsuit against the guy he was supposed to be fighting ! obvious that he jus ruined any possibilty of the fight happening..he could have easily got pbf back in the ring(if he actually though he cud win) bak he sued him instead..

Dave Lahr,

Why do think Floyd agreed so quickly to 50-50 purse split, 8 ounce gloves, and $10 mil per pound? Do you think Floyd has that kind of money to burn? Before negotiations, he was saying Manny would never get 50-50. Did you really think Floyd was gonna give-in to all of Manny’s demands that easily if there was really gonna be fight?

Floyd agreed to those terms quickly because he knew there wasn’t going to be a fight. He wanted to look good, but he had an ace up his sleeve to avoid the fight while deflecting blame for the fight not happening.

Apparently, his plan worked because it fooled a notable boxing writer like you. I think you’re a good writer. You just have to be objective, and see things from both sides.

some of you got too much time on your hands…. no need for long 50 page documents trying to support you opinions at all. the facts are simple, pac didnt take the test. pac wanted floyd to have a 10 mil penalty, floyd agreed. floyd wanted additional testing, pac disagreed. floyd is the historically bigger ppv draw, pac cant push floyd around at any negotiation table. floyd fighting a hall of fame fighter next, pac fighting a bum in clottey. shane tried to fight pac, pac refused. those are facts, and undeniable, no argument.

ok floyd fans here’s to debunk your arguments:
1. manny afraid of needles
-manny never ever ever ever said that period! only arum or koncz said that and seriously your tatoo argument doesnt even hold water, tatoos are done on pacs free tym!there’s no big fight coming up, no worrying if handicapped!

2. manny doesnt want random drug test
-fact: manny has never said that, all he said is he doesnt want blood tests taken close to the fight as he FELT he got weak during the morales fight, it was ARUM and ROACH who STRONGLY oppose the 14 day window, for all we know PAC would have agreed to 18 or 16 days, ROACH argument is he dont want to bow to floyds demands, no one is bigger than sports, ARUM says it’s harassment

3.why he walk away from 40 mil, is he guilty?
-why risk losing by feeling weak and get 40mil in return. It’s not ALL about the money, manny’s carrying 90miliion hopes of filipinos, losing and disappointing their hopes is not worth it! this is pinoy pride were talking about, pinoy would go to absurd lengths to defend their honor and pride

4.if he has nothing to hide, why he dont agree on my terms
-cant you just respect that fact that he dont like taking blood close to the fight, why willfully impose something he’s not comfortable with that’s based on PURE suspicion..what if i suspect you being gay and to prove you’re not I impose you to s*ck my d*ck and if you get a hard on then you’re gay and youll get 40 mil $, i just want to level the playing field, who knows, during fight night you grab my balls, that’s how ridiculous floyd’s demand is, demanding on pure suspicion and throwing ridiculous condition.

5. its just a few teaspoon of blood
-random is random, anytime, anyday, you’ll be waken up at mid night, you know how inconvenient and disrupting it is and you know deep inside you arent even taking drugs, that’s big impact on your psyche

6.PAC must be on PEDS as he went up weight and demolishing fighters
-fact PAC has mostly been dehydrating himself and comes to 145lbs at fight night so he didnt actually gain significant weight. his accomplishments are a COMBINATION of a lot of things, ARIZA conditioning improving manny footwork and ring generalship, ROACH strategy improving right hand and fighting smart and calm and measure fights, tell me, CAN PEDS do that?? all you have to do is watch and compare manny’s fights, he WAS a 1 dimensional fighter and yet he’s knocking out top notch fighters

FACE it floyd fans! the only 1 thing that supports your suspicion is PACS refusal to give in to floyds ridiculous demand and dont even compare that to 10mill $ penalty,the penalty has a very valid basis, FLOYD has done it and purposedly went overweight, yeah PURPOSELY, didnt even make any effort to trim the weight after asking marquez to go up 2 divisions, and dont say it happens to all fighters, FRAUD purposely did it, from day one he had no intention to make weight, DAN rafael has documented all that, fraud submitted paperworks to the commision so late to avoid fines, look it up

CONCLUSION: both camps are to blame but more on floyd, pac could have agreed to 18 or 16 days, could have convinced arum or roach to give in a bit but roach and arum knows fight of this magnitude needs more time for training and promotion

Biased article. I take it your a Mayweather supporter?

A Pacquiao-Mayweather fight would be awesome, except we all know it’s not going to happen. Mayweather already laid out his terms about a month ago stating he wants a bigger share of thye money, blood tests up to the day of the fight, etc. Nope, we’re not seeing that fight happenning anytime soon. 65-35 or even a 60-40 split is definitely out of the question. Pacquiao would never agree to that and in my opinion, he shouldn’t.

@JosephBTS says

Why after all these years did he ask for random blood test?
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If you have been watching sports the last 3 years or so, you have had alot of athletes in all sports come lean or test positive. Lets look a baseball for a minute. You had about 20 sure Hall of Famers get exposed for using PEDs from 2003-2007 when baseball leaked the black list. In Baskeball you had several players test positive and lets not get started on Track and Field they nearly banned everyone from running bc of failed drug test or them simply admitting to using it. And besides that Victor Conte the mastermind behind Balco and the kingpin who was providing all the drugs says alot of athletes are cheating..I am pretty certain he could have ratted out alot of them if he wanted to..It is evident in all sports..Whether is had been now or then, its time for Boxing to catch up with other sports and be proactive with the Drug testing.

HAWIIAN YOU GOT YOUR FAXS MIXED UP
1. MANNY GOT HIS 50/50 SPLIT HE WANTED
2. GOT DATE OF FIGHT HE WANTED.
3. GOT GLOVE SIZE HE WANTED
4. GOT RING SIZE HE WANTED
5. GOT TEN MILL PER POUND CLAUSE HE WANTED.
THE ONLY THING FLOYD WAS REQUESTING WAS BLOOD TEST. FLOYD AGREED TO HAVE SOMEONE OTHER THEN U.S.A.D.A DO IT SO THEY WOULD NOT COME MIDDLE OF NIGHT AND AGREED TO HAVE TESTS STOPPED 14 DAYS B4 FIGHT. HE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE TESTS WOULD BE AFFECTIVE. BASICALLY MANNY GOT EVERYTHING HE WANTED AND WALKED AWAY.

I had a huge tirade prepared for this article but what’s the use? This might be the Lewis / Bowe of the era. It might never come off. It happens. I just hope that these guys can see eye to eye to not see eye to eye in the ring ( i think i tripped there) and give this generation of fight fans something to tell our grandchildren.

@David Lahr – give it up! as usual, you are always trying to twist facts to make mayweather look good , and to may pacquiao look bad. I am tell you, right now, it will not work! boxing fans more intelligent and are not idiots as you think they are.
Common sense and facts will prove who is the bad guy here.

Please stop insulting boxing fans with your insinuations and twisting your facts in mayweather’s favor. You are exposing your bias and stupidity and cause as to suspect that you are under Floyd’s payroll. Yeah I think that’s it! I suspect that you are being paid by Mayweather, so using your logic, then it must be true! guilty ! until proven innocent! That’s the American way! am I correct? David Lahr = Floyd’s paid nuthugger for Boxingnews24.com.

G says:
March 11, 2010 at 4:57 am
writer the only difference between their two demands is floyd had a history (just one fight before) of comming in over the weight (physical proof) and floyds request was out of suspicion, pacquiao has no history of being a steroid user so you can’t see it as the same. If you want to make everything bklack and white and make it as simple as, pacman made a request and money made a request then that’s not right!!!!

Are you serious. A history of what? A history is doing something repeatedly. FLoyd only came in overweight just “ONCE” and that was coming out of retirement at a catchweight of 144.

A history is what Clottey has, but there wasn’t a 10 million dollar Clause in his contract. Let alone there isn’t a drug test being conducted. Pacquiao and his Clowns are very funny and they are making a mockery of themselves.

Mayweather asked Pacquiao to take random blood test and he said everyone will have to take one in the future if they want to fight him and make “MONEY”. Shane was asked and he agreed. Very simple work..So, now Shane is going to get paid..

its funny sitting here and reading all these posts and noticing all the floyd fans here are stating their opinions using factual information and all the pac fans responding with immature jibes like your a fag, picking on petty spelling mistakes and telling the writer to go have sex with his family etc. i wonder which side is in the right?? lol

If Floyd wins against Moseley, he will again strategize a scape route to avoid Pacquiao at all cost and all means necessary. He is mastering and revising where he is famous at whch is “HOW NOT TO MAKE A FIGHT WITH PACQUIAO”. This C*less Coward is clearly scared of the smaller guy who he bashed as a one dimentional fighter.

People it,s not rocket science, it’s Floyd The steroid addict who was raised by a drug addict that’s just scared of a much smaller guy with gentle personality but so viscious Floyd would S*T in his pants if he got punched in the gut. That will be history, FLOYD the first boxir who took a crap in the ring from a punch.

Everyone will take sides and have an opinion but objectively looking at the issue at hand the ball has been left in Pacquiao’s court.What I can’t understand is if you are innocent then you would take the test?

My opinion is if Pacquiao went on to beat Mayweather would taking the test not ligitimise his victory even more? Also a win for Pacquiao is way more valuable than a win for Floyd.

I do agree that floyd would look to seek any advantage possible like weight but he agreed to the weight penalty. If you like Mayweather or not what he has asked is not ridiculous and Mosely has agreed so why should Paquiao be exempt?

If Floyd beats Shane people gonna say Shane was old past his best and Manny will probly fight him next.

a pacman/floyd mouthweather fight won’t happen.floyd knows he cannot beat the man.a reliable source told me that after his fight with mosley floyd jr and sr will be concentrating on their newly built beauty parlor where they can do their talking.

wilson at work typing fast not spell checking this is not english class. let me spell that incorrectly. inglish class. happy? i have opinions others have them as well dont have to agree that the point of all this. just state your opinion. but roach is just trying to promote his next fight. why would you say you are going to try to make deal with floyd then say you are unwilling to do blood test when you know floyd sais who ever fights him has to take blood test from now on. how are you going to fight mosley if mosley wins? he has to give floyd rematch as his next fight if he wins against floyd. so how would this be possible. let me know wilson.

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March 11, 2010 at 9:28 am
Who are these last remaining hardcore Floyd fans? I bet that 99.9% of them are either crackheads, uneducated, racists, bums, dellusional, lunatics, cowards, just mouth no brain, wanna be’s, retard, braggart but no balls, back stubbers, bitter, envious of pac, underachievers, losers, irrational, steroid users or dealers, floyd ba*lls tickl*er, and most af all Floyd jr Steroid and Xylocane suppliers. Poor Floyd, you don,t get a lot of good fans. Unlike Pac, he has bigtime fans , from hollywood celebrities, proffesional athletes, well known world figures the likes of former Presidents of the United States etc..and UFC president Dana white who by the way is going to watch Pac live at Cowboy Stadium in Texas that is now reported to be already soldout ticket.

PAC is the draw in Boxing NOT Floyd simply because Pac is way more POPULAR and a lot better and FAN to watch than Floyd.

FLOYD is getting more and more pathetic everyday and it’s getting worse, he could end up inevitably in mental hospital if he keeps envying Pac.

A lot of people now think Floyd is MENTALLY retarded when he keeps anouncing that he is the greatest boxer that ever lived. There is never a normal person that lift his own chair and start BRAGGING when he himself alone validates himself to be the greatest unless you are the son of an addict or steroid user.

If I could think of the worst term used for the most disgusting boxer ever that walk in this planet, I would pick Floyd to be categorized as a stinking PIG

roach is just trying to promote the march 13th fight. witch is basically a dead fight. he know floyd manny will never happen. floyd already said anyone who fights him must take blood test. manny wont do blood test. floyd doesnt need manny. he is making 40 million off this fight. mosley is making 3 times what manny is for his fight. not to mention the ppv comparisons will be imbarasing. so manny would have to take a 60/40 split and do the blood test. no one wants to pay to watch manny fight people who have just come off losses anymore. they are just trying to use floyd to promote there dead fight. with the 30,000 dollers worth of tickets jerry jones bought and the huge discounts they are giving for the left over tickets. floyd mosley will actually make more gate money then manny clottey even though they have only 17000 seats. its becoming clear. manny aint no star. he needs to fight the best and has no chips to play with anymore.

It’s confirmed Dave you’re in love with the Pacman and coach freddie…..can’t you write an article without mentioning Pacman and coach Freddie? or maybe perhaps lot of responses from fans if your article is about Pacquiao?, jusk asking…..really youre a Pacman fan

Iain whatever kind of name that is anyways you are a fag

The suggestion is pacs on HGH which cannot be detected by urine OR blood , terry newton(rugby league) is the only person to be caught using it they tested him littarally straight after he injected himself

The only ones who will be suspicious are those pickle minded. An accuser remains accuser until he proves his accusations are true. It’s unprecedented and why on earth now? Obviously, Floyd is either afraid of Pac or just plain jealous trying to defame Pac.

There is always the begining of something. I am sure if Floyd had asked for olympic type testing two years ago, someone could have cried foul still….ohhhh why now? All the same, science has improved so much with improved drugs designed to bit the old style testing. Sugar was never caught, but admitted using drugs. Experts have pointed out on different fora that a urine test is not conclussive today and there is so much literature on that if you wish to read about it. Haven’t you wondered why all this resistance to a simple test?

THIS FIGHT IS ALL WRONG . THE WORST THING IS ITS FREDDIE THAT IS LOOKIN LIKE A DONKEY AN PAC MAN LOOKIN SHOCK . BOB ARUM<———– BIGGEST DICK IVE SEEN IN BOXIN .. WAST OF TIME ALL THEM YRS IN BOXIN AND UR BOXING IQ IS WEAK. U CAN TRICK PPL THAT DONT KNOW BOXIN BUT U CANT TRICK A REAL FAN ………….U KNOW U WNNA FGHT FLOYD STOP FCKIN ACTIN LIKE A LITTLE BTCH!! AN FGHT…PPL LIKE BOB ARUM R NOT NEEDED IN BOXIN

for the billionth time: PAC AND TOP RANK WALKED AWAY FROM THE FIGHT….i suppose 10 million dollars a pound is a standard these days too !!

Only facts were stated in this article. The truth will set u free.

both of them outta be shot

The truth is why Mayweather doesn’t want to fight PACMAN…WHY?…Because he is afraid of PACMAN Hard Punch..

Floyd always makes sure he has an unfair advantage? Is that true? Other than the Marquez fight when he came in obove weight…and this is not something new in boxing, if anything, it is quite frequent, what other advantages can one talk about? Instead, most of the time other fighters demand the type of gloves, ring size etc and he still wins these fights. I have read staements here suggesting that because Pacman has not been caught cheating then there is no possibility that he could be cheating. Havent we heard of drug users who have addmitted but were never caught. Times are changing and for sure all of us know that the drug issue is real…other than refuse to test Packman will be even greater if he says I will test and beat up Floyd. He will clear his name and prove to the world he never was a cheat. Both Floyd and Pack will be tested and I fail to see who will be disadvantaged unless we bring in superstitious beliefs…unless we argue on that level….a level that is difficult to explain, then we should be not talking of international boxing because so many people believe in different things. Please I want to ask…which one is it…the superstitious thing, fear of needles, fear of being caught or is is it the Ego thing….who is Floyd to ask?

@tobol…ask that to lex…hes the expert…about floyd

@ice-did you see the mosley cotto fight?cotto was at his very prime and i still thot mosley win by a coupel of rounds,also the same cotto post margarito that faught pac was totaly shot.

writer the only difference between their two demands is floyd had a history (just one fight before) of comming in over the weight (physical proof) and floyds request was out of suspicion, pacquiao has no history of being a steroid user so you can’t see it as the same. If you want to make everything bklack and white and make it as simple as, pacman made a request and money made a request then that’s not right!!!!

A davelahr mayweather agreed to 10 million dollar penalty because he cheated his weight before when he was fighting fatty marquez. since the penalty is only about 600k then he just did what will benefit him, but nobody said that one is cheating he paid for it.