Roach wants Pacquiao to fight Mayweather, but still seems resistant to blood testing

Huku313, you are a moron. The truth is this:

It is clear that the reason Mayweather requires the testing on his terms (olympic style) is he is afraid of Pacquiao capability and he will do everything to his advantage OR just trying ways to duck from seemingly unbeatable contender. His team knows that blood sample (invasive testing) will or may affect Pacquiao both physically and psychologicaly and this will give him advantage during the fight OR Pacquiao will simply refuse to accept (and sure, Mayweather then has evaded the risk of defeat)
Analyze these: 1. Pacquiao agreed to blood testing 24 days before the fight and right after the fight. 2. Will submit to unlimited uninvasive testing which are now as good as blood testing (urine, saliva & hair). 3. Pacquiao has been tested throughout his career and never failed. 4. He is a superstar with much eyes on him and that would not risk his stardom. These just show that Pacquiao is not hiding anything. His team is just making every precaution that may affect his performance. 5. Mayweather has ducked to several opponents while Pacquiao never select his contenders and fights everyone in the line. 6. Who has the clean record on and off the ring? (Many says that Pacquiao rise to fame is like Fairy Tale (rug to riches) and many are suspicious BUT that is not the point. It is his pure capability/talent as a fighter from the very start of his career that put him to fame and that’s not fairy tale nor PED necessary/involved.
SO, WHO IS COWARD AND MAKING EXCUSES???

@tony g – Good talking to you. You made some good points. I can see both sides of this issue. Above all, I care that both men will be at their best, when they meet, and that will both be clean. To answer your question, I got the unnofficial weights for JMM v Pac 2 from the watching the fight, itself. Check out the fight on youTube. The “tale of the tape” showed their unofficial weights. (“youtube.com/watch?v=odUqhy40YKE&feature=youtube_gdata”) You can start from around the 10 min mark. I know they fought at the official weight of 130, but they both stepped into the ring at 140+.

As far your question about whether I thought Pac would’ve had no objections to a more non-invasive alternative. Based on his openness to the urine testing, I don’t see why he would have a problem, with a non-invasive method, like hair and saliva. If this became the accepted method, tomorrow, and he were still refuse random, unlimited testing, I would be convinced that he was dirty.

By the way, how’d you like the fight? It was a bit of a let down to me. I expected Pac to win by decision. But, I didn’t expect Clottey to just give the fight away. I have NEVER seen Clottey so passive. These guys have way too much respect for each other to be fighting one another. It was a virtual love fest. Anyway, I think the Direll v Abraham, will be lot more suspenseful.

kray – i really enjoyed our chitchat…hope we get to do it again…how i wished fans,be it mayweather’s or pacquiao’s were more like you….and me…hehehe….gotta sleep.it’s 2am here…have to wake up early coz the fight will be at 6am here…hey,you too,enjoy the fight…ciao and peace from italy.

@Kray, let me ask you this question. IF there were non invasive methods available that would detect everything a blood test would, do you really think Manny would still be talking about cut off dates or random vs non random or limited vs unlimited? IF, for example, a combination of urine, hair and saliva would do the trick, do you honestly think that Manny would find some excuse not to take these tests. “I cannot pee into that little cup all the time” OR I don’t like it when someone pulls my hair, OR I have phobia about someone putting ctton swabs in my mouth. IF you believe that he would find some excuse out of taking any of these non invasive tests, then I would be the first one to say that Manny must be hiding something. IF on the other hand, Manny readily agrees just like he did to the current non invasive testing for urine, then you would have to admit that the only reason he did not accept the unlmited blood testing was solely becasue it was invasive. Do you agree with me on this? Additinoally IF Floyd still insisted on blood testing in the face of irrefutable evidence that the non invasive tests were more than sufficient, the we would all know that the real reason he wanted them had nothing to do with detecting drugs. IF on the other hand, he was fine with the non invasive testing, we can all finally set back and enjoy the fight that everyone wants to see. Do you agere with me?

@Juan, very insightful comment. You make a great point. I like it and I agree with you. But it is not in Floyd’s nature to do anything nice when it comes to his opponent. His persona is to disrespect and denegrate his opponents. This time, however, he shot himself in the foot because he showmanship cost him $45M

@preston, why is it that nnyone who says anything in favor of pAC IS Automatically labeled as a “die hard Pac fan”. Unbelievable. I think you misunderstood me. It is inconceivable to me that with all this attention focused on Pac and the allegations of juicing that he would STILL try to get away with it had he fought Floyd. Too many eyes on him. Too many ways of getting caught. some advanced urine tests can detect peds that the previous urine tests couldn’t. Too risky. Too much to lose. What I was saying was that if Pac HAD BEEN juicing previously, that he wouls jump at the chance to clear his name and protect his secret. No obviously he would not want to take the tests WHILE he was juicing. But that is why it makes no sense to me because if he was trying to get away with juicing for the fight itself, he wouldn’t agree to ANY tests, incluidng urine and he certainly wouldn’t agree to 24 days out but not 14 days out. And he wouldn’t agree to the blood test after the fight. So I think the only quesiont is whether he HAD BEEN juicing. So I think he actions show that he has not been juicing by refusing to take the tests. Teh fact that he agreed to the unlmitedurine and the 3 blood tests aer not the actions of someone trying to get away with something. IF you drfaw the conclusion that the difference betwee the 24 day that wer ok but hte 14 days wer not because he could get away with juicing with 24 days but that extra 10 days woudl meant htat he would be caught is just oo much of a stretch. I just don’t read Pac as being that smart in the way of drugs or that diabolical to have this intricate juicing plan calculating the exact amount of days he needs to not be caught. It just doesn’t make sense. And if you do draw the other conclusion that he does have this diabolical plan and that he refused because he didn’t wnat to get caughht, it is just oo obvious. Sort of like when they planted the glove right on the doorstep of O.I. Simpsonn’s house. Nobody would be that obvious. I just don’t buy it. I think that if you used the non invasive methods to replce the blood testing, that Pac woudl agree to as much non invasvie testing as Floyd wanted and this debate would be over. I think the only reason Pac agred to unlimitred urine but not unlimited blood testing is that one is invasive and the other is not. I am not a “Pactard” or a Floyd hater. This just makes more sense to me.

kray – i’m not trying to convince nor convert you…just give credit where credit is due…pacquiao’s meteoric rise…how about floyd himself?who started at 107 pounds? and undefeated at that…who is more impressive?fought dela hoya at delahoya’s backyard weight?to tell you the truth,maywaether’s rise is more meteoric than that of pacquiao…the difference is pacquiao has a whole country behind him.he’s from a dirt poor third world country…a cinderella story.that’s where the all hype comes from.also,boxing is a bloodsport…many,no,most casual boxing fans want to see someone flat on his back on the canvas,they just love seeing broken noses and notice that when one fighter wobbles,they get the rush,fans for fear of their boy’s possible defeat,fans of the other guy for their boy’s possible win,it just the way it is….only true boxing officionados apreciate mayweather’s skills…you can’t blame them…there are pacquio haters and there are mayweather haters…as long as they don’t start shooting and killing each other,it’s all in good fun.it keeps the sport we all love alive and buzzing….

Mayweather is a big coward making excuses, but the fact is that he is afraid of the Pacman since he knows Pacman will shut his big mouth and let him kiss the canvas and will let him run around the ring after taking punishments. (The way of Cowards) cant you see it? He is a COWARD with a big mouth!

@pugile italiano –
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”As far as sowing the seeds of doubt, others in the sport have broken down in detail, why they feel Pac is on steroids”…yes AFTER MAYWEATHER SNR. TOLD HIS SON NOT TO FIGHT PACQUIAO BECAUSE HE THINKS(WITHOUT ANY SHRED OF EVIDENCE)THAT HE IS ON DRUGS….the penalty for the excess weight falls into the BS category?…i give you two persons,one with a jail record and one who has none,both are supected of crimes…who do you think people will believe?the marquez fight where floyd came haevier is A PRECEDENT,title bout or otherwise…like saying one stole a bycicle or stole a ferrari,it’s still theft.
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If a person honestly believes something, it does not matter who it comes from. Floyd SR. is respected in the sport for his knowledge of boxing, not PED’s. But, they put the mic in his face, and asked him to elaborate on something he was, at first, reluctant to express. However, some have said, SR was not the first person to remark on what they feel is the possible “source” of Pac’s “meteoric” rise. Some say it was Malinaggi. Malinaggi has never said, “I think Manny is on PED’s because SR. and Roger said so”. Malinaggi has gone on record several times, and, fearlessly, given a detailed explanation, as to why he feels Manny is on the juice. Others have, as well.

But, you don’t need convince me. I don’t know if he is or not. And since he won’t take the most comprehensive test out there, I will never know. There is something more suspicious to me, about someone willing to pay, to clear his name, outside the ring, rather than, be paid to clear it, inside the ring.

As far your comparison about a bicycle theft vs a ferrari theft, to Floyd coming overweight in a catchweight non-title bout vs a title bout, the punishment should fit the crime. If I steal a bicycle, I get a misdemeanor charge, more than likely, and, probably, no jail time. If I steal a ferrari, I get a guaranteed felony charge, and quite possibly a few years in prison, for grand theft auto. As I said before, Floyd has NEVER been overweight, in any one of his previous 39 bouts, title and non-title, at the OFFICIAL weight. Since, this was a bout, at the OFFICIAL weight, he has set NO PRECEDENT for that. Hence, the “punishment” does not only fail to fit the crime, it is completely unjustified. A more reasonable fine,, in addition to NSAC’s, was more than suitable, for both fighters. Floyd could’ve argued that and won, though negotiations would’ve stopped there. So, he signed this ridiculous stipulation, to satisfy Manny’s insecurity, NOT b/c he HAD to.

raw – every individual has his own learning curve…different rates of learning,be it physical or brain development…every person,bar none…sure we more or less learn at the same time the fundamentals like reading or writing…but for extra skillsets like sports it’s a different story altogether.it’s a human invented skillset,to ingrain into the brain and muscle memories..these skillsets didn’t come with our evolution…our muscle don’t have memory for that…take two persons again,teach them how to play pool…one may aquire the skill faster than the other…in fact,one may take years to master bank shots…what im saying is floyd’s argument is flawed…life is a continous learning process…now in this case i’m referring to us caucasians,now take one more x factor of the race…asians develop later than us,female caucasians develop their breats earlier than asians,tha’s a fact..both started at 107lbs…at 25 mayweather peaked at 140 while pacquiao peaked at 30 years old….basic human physiology.

@cadberry- What he refused was OSDT drug testing. From the beginning, he offered up 3 scheduled blood tests and unlimited urine tests. Floyd wanted to make the fight, so, he made several changes to his request, to accommodate Manny. Except, he put his foot down on two points 1) that it be RANDOM and 2)that the cut-off be at 14 days.

Manny only went down to 24 days, because, there is footage of him giving blood 24 days before the Hatton fight–now there’s footage of him giving blood 19 days before the Clottey fight. Other than that, this is, basically, his original proposal. In every fight at WW, Manny has gotten what he wanted, against fighters who are more established at this weight. But, Floyd asks for ONE thing, and he’s trying to be the Commission or he has NO right to be asking for this. That’s bulls*t.

The weight penalty was excessive, and since they claim to abide by the standard commission rules, in all other matters, they should have applied the commission rules in this case too. As I’ve already explained, this was a title-bout. So, Floyd risked losing the entire purse, if he came in overweight; because, the fight could then be cancelled, unless they decided to fight anyway, in a non-title bout. Not to mention, had he come in 2 lbs over the agreed upon weight, he would have been fined 10% of his purse on top of any fine they agreed to and 20% if he came in over 2lbs. So, assuming they stood to make $40 mil each, had Manny made it a $1million fine, Floyd risked having an additional $4 million, for 2 lbs over tacked onto that, by the NSAC or an additional $8million, for 3 or more lbs over. I doubt if Floyd would NOT make the weight, given all this. Why would he want to risk having the fight cancelled and/or paying $5-$10 million dollars in fines, to get an edge of 2-3 lbs? He’s ALWAYS made the OFFICIAL WEIGHT, his ENTIRE career. So, why would he stop now?

AS preston pointed out, Clottey has missed the OFFICIAL WW limit, more than once, and he’s a big WW who will blow up well past the limit (after rehydrating), yet no ridiculous fines, from Wapakman. Hmmm….must because, he’s not quite the challenge that PBF is…

Preston, I am neither a pac fan nor a floyd hater, but to me it just seems so clear. IF Pac ws taking something illegal, the last thing in the world he would want to do is to refuse to take a test that could clear him. I just think Floyd is a con man. That being said, he IS better than Pac in the ring. Certainly more skilled. BUT I still say Pac beats him because, good as Floyd is, there is a reason why he has a 60% kno ratio. Brittle hands. No punching power to go along with all that skill. He cannot hurt Pac. That is why Isay that EVEN THOUGH IS MORE SKILLED THAN PAC, Pac still wins. Otherwise, if he is that much better, what is he so afraid of? Isa he saying that he can beat Pac, but ONLY if everything is perfectly even.That is why he MUST ensure the playing field is absolutely even. IF Pac has the slightest advantage, he could lose. Doesn’t sound like a mismatch to me.

Kray- you are consistently making very good points here, and I just cannot understand these die hard Pac guys. It just seems like it is very hard to have an honest discussion with these guys about anything surrounding Pac, whether right or wrong, because they will keep taking you in circles to defend the guy….Pac cannot fo ANY wrong with here. I have had no problem calling Floyd out on his immaturity outside of the ring, yet I love and appreciate his skills inside the boxing ring……….same with Pac, he has done some things inside of the ring that I didnt think he could, but I totally disagree with him and his camp on how they handled the negotiations with Mayweather……..it says something when an official bi-partisan committee, whom arbitrarily steps in to help bring the two side together, has to take actions to specifically distance themselves from the biased portrayal by Team Pac of the closed door meetings…….and Pac fans want to act like Team Pac is infallible, and without their fault and culpability in ANY matters? And another funny thing is how these guys want to act like anything less than 100% devotion to Pac is unacceptable….lolol. Most of these guys dont even realize that I am actually a pac fan, and I think that he is a very exciting fighter……I just dont think that he is good enough to beat Floyd Mayweather……..could be wrong, but that is just my opinion, and it doesnt make me any less of a fan than them…….lolol

@Kray, it would seem to me that if Pac WAS cheating he would take any test asked of him, just to dispel the rumors and keep his little secret safe. I therefore draw the opposite conclusion that he refused the minutia of Mayweathers’ demands such as 14 days vs 24 days. Give me a break already.

As for the penalty you are missing the point. It should have been $20M, not $10M. Floyd was getting $45M for this fight. The “penalty” had to be large enough for it to matter to him TO ENSURE HE DID NOT GAIN AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE BY COMING IN HIGHER THAN THE AGREED LIMIT. The purpose of the penalty was NOT to se how much money Floyd would be paying Manny for cheating. The purpose was to ENSURE FLOYD WOULD NOT CHEAT LIKE HE DID TO JMM! If Floyd negotiated the price of the penalty, that would only signal that he intended on cheating on the weight to gain an unfair advantage but only wanted to see if he could lower the cost for his cheating to something more manageable. He HAD to agree. Any hesitation on his part of negotiation of price would only confirm that he intended to create an uneven playing field, just like he did to JMM.

The $10M penalty was unprecedented. So is a $45M purse. Under the circumstances, it was not only a reasonable amount commensurate with the purse, but it was a little too low I thought.

@cadberry – You are missing my point, evidently. Based on the NSAC rules, he did not have to pay for anything above 1 lb more than the contracted weight. However, they made an extra provision, in the contract, to ensure, JMM’s was duly compensated for Floyd not making 144lbs.

Did I say he was a saint for fulfilling the obligations of the contraction he signed? NO. I said Marquez was paid for an extra pound over. If Floyd were being petty about it, he could have argued to only pay for every pound over the allowed extra 1 pound.

@kray, are you actually suggesting that Floyd paid JMM when, contractually, he didn’t have to because “that’s the kind of guy he is?” Give me a break. The contract called for $300K PER POUND or any fraction thereof over the agreed weight. Bloyd weighed 2 ponds over. 2 x $30K = $600K. IF he didn’t pay up, JMM could have sued him and won + aty fees costs, interest, costs of collection, costs of any appeals, etc. You want to give floyd credit for complying wiht the terms of the contract he signed??? The penalty is irrelevant. Floyd will never pay one dime of it. It oould be $10B per pound. What difference does it make if he never had to pay it in the first place? So Floyd agreed to teh $10M per pound penalty. Big deal.

cadberry – grazie,thank you.

Kray, just because roids make you stronger, does not necessarily mean it will incresase your chances of getting a knockout. This is not a weight lifting competition. /rods can slow you down and diminish your agiility, both of which are essential to a fighter. Additinoally, the ped that gives you additional stamina does so by increasing your red blood cell count, thereby increasing your oxygen thereby increasing yoru stamina. BUT YOU CAN GET THE SAME INCREASED RED BLOOD CELL COUNTY SIMPLY BY TRAINING AT ALTITUDE. Yes it is easier to just take an injection than it is to train at altitude, but, while one method is legal and the other is not, they both achieve the same result and if it made THAT much of a difference, everyone would be doing it.

If Floyd is supposed to be that much better than Pac, if it is supposed to be easy work, a mismatch, why not stop being so picky over the demnds, accept the unlimited urine and the 3 blood tests and just make the fight and pick up your $45m check already. YOu must be really scared of something to walk away from $45M. DLH beat a bigger VArgas on roids anyway. Knocked him out. Clottey is fighting pac wiht no testing. What are yo u soooo afraid of to cause you to walk away from $45M?

@preston, then you woudl suggest no weight penalty? Why would you think Floyd would not agree to the weight penalty? He is never going to pay it so what difference does it make how much it is? YOu are making it out to be a big deal that Floyd agred to it. What did he really agree to. He agreed not to cheat. Do you really think he is going to actually pay it? No of course not. So he “giving in” to this “outrageous” demad is a bullship smokescreen. He gave into nothing. I would have made it $20M. So you think the penalty is crap? TEll that to JMM

@preston…

Given the context of each fighters history, how is the weight penalty more unreasonable than the blood testing request?

@Haku, Pac DID agree to take random drug tests. In fact random and unlimited drug tests. What story have you been following? Pac agreed to as many random and unlimited urine tests as Floyd wanted. Additionally he agreed to 3 blood tests including one right after the fight even though not required by NSAC. When, in the history of the sport, does a boxer dictate what the drug testing rules should be. Why even have a commission in the first place? So you actually believe that the reason Manny agreed to a blood test 24 days out but not 14 days out is because at 24 days out he won’t be caught but at 14 days out he would and that is the REAL reason? And that is what makes sense to you. Never mind about the blood test immediatly after the bout.

Question for the Pac fans……..Why does everybody else HAVE to do things except Pac? I keep hearing you guys say that Floyd HAD to agree to the 10 million dollar penalty because he has a “history” of comming into fights overweight…….and Floyd Mayweather HAD to include the blood testing request with Shane or he would have looked like a fool……and Shane Mosely HAD to agree to it because he is an admitted user……why is everyone exept Pac left without choices???? Why didnt Clottey HAVE to agree to a weight penalty clause, even though he has officially missed the welter weight limit several times…..not just once like Floyd…….Why didnt Pac HAVE to include the clause into his fight with Clottey????? Why does Pac not look like a fool, and a fraud for not including the weight penalty clause in his fight with Clottey, whom is a HABITUAL violator, like Floyd would have looked if he didnt include the blood testing in his fight with Shane????? And why did Shane HAVE to agree to the blood test, when you guys are saying that the CURRENT urine testing is sufficient, and that test alone is good enough for Pac??????……….and why are you guys or ANYBODY for that matter is NOT talking about Floyd changing the rules when it come to Mosely and the blood test????

@BIG POPS

C’mon son! The dude is a LIAR! You know it… If you have been paying attention or just sit back and think about ALL the resons/excuses Pacquiao has made throughout the process. A blind man can see that Pacquiao is a LIAR!

People stop it! Pacquiao is a Liar point blank, period! His whole team are LIARS! Roach claims he has no idea what a steroid is and he was administering steroids to James Toney! And as far as blood tests making pacquiao weak for 3 days…Yeah the F%$K Right! The dude and his Team are LIARS! How many times are we gonna hear a new excuse of why he cant or wont take Random drug test. Im sick of the dude with his Lies!!!

This test thing is amazing. Many individuals try to equate Manny not taking this test at his level of social status with they themselves not taking a drug test at their level. Lets say you and a coworker are vying for the same promotion. Now, your organization requires you to take version A of a particular test. However, your co worker/opponent suggest that you take version B because he is willing to and he belives it is a more strigent test. Now the hiring process does not require version B, the test has never been requested during any previous promotions, and the opponent is the person suggesting the test. Would you take the test if not required by the hiring process? I am an avid boxing fan. I have enjoyed Floyd’s fights and Manny’s. However, the only thing gained from agreeing to random testing at this time is a psychological advantage by Floyd. At their elite level this is a very high level poker match. Every advantage counts. Now if a governing body requested random drug test and manny did not comply, then I would be skeptical. However not from an opponent. Now, pehaps we (myself including) all cant afford to turn down an equivalent opportunity for such a financial gain. Otherwise, we would probably not be on this site (joke). In any case, Manny can afford to turn it down.

Posted March 13, 2010

Im a floyd fan but im sorry rules are rules, if floyd doesnt like the commissions rules then go fight someone else.

In saying that i dont buy the argument that floyd needs this fight more then pac. Both these fighters are greats and both will be greater if they win this fight. So if you dont want pac as high as possible on the all time great list then no he doesnt need to fight floyd.

Mansterrr.. The simple answer for that is “FLOYD IS A COWARD” period. What ever people say the obvious reason is that Floyd is too scared to fight Manny. If Pacquiao will KO Clottey the the fight with Floyd will never happen because Floyd will too scared to fight him and I beat Floyd will be peeing his pants.

For the writer: Blood testing is a simple Commission matters and $10 million overweight limit penalty is justified because Floyd cheated on his last fight with Marquez. Floyd never had the intentions to make the weight because he already told Marquez in the morning that he can’t make the weight. Get over it. Floyd is known ducker and the world knew about it. You’re just so dumb not to accept the facts.

@jsmooth, so then if you were running hte negotiations, you wouuld have made it a $300K penalty, like it was with JMM? You think that would have been a better idea? The whole point of hte huge penalty was not for anyone to pay it. The point was to make it large enough so Floyd would not ignore it like he did with JMM. You write ” how many times have you heard of a $10M pp penalty?” Good point. Here’s another good point. How many times have you heard of a fighter getting $45M for a single fight with $25M guaranteed? With that kind of money on the table, do you really think it would be worth the ink to printi it to ask for a $300K penalty for coming in overweight? I thought it should have been a $20M pp penalty. But you are missing hte point. What difference does it make how much money the penatly is. Floyd is never going to pay it. It just needs to be large enough so Floyd will respect it and no ignore it.

@BigPops says:
March 13, 2010 at 7:49 am
If Floyd were interested in fighting Manny and not afraid of him, that fight would be this weekend. The unprecedented introduction of olympic style drug testing was and still is a smoke screen. In nearly every interview with Floyd, he states ” I am cleaning up the sport.” Not that I believe that Manny uses any types of PEDs, but the truth is and just as with ALL boxers the possibility exist. Now concerning Floyd cleaning up the sport, he has been boxing profeesionally for over 13 years. For the sake of argument, lets say that the first known use of PEDs in the boxing world came to light in 2007 (Shane Mosely), though I am sure they were in use before then. Now if Floyd were trully interested in ” cleaning up his sport,” why not start with advocating more stringent testing when the advent of the use of PEDs was obviously visible instead of accusing with no proof? Ans Ninja Smoke Screen>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

How many times in boxing have you heard of a 10million dolla overweight clause…Enough said about the un heard of garbage.

@jsmooth, good exampleof the cost of the tickets. While you are at it, how about bringing up that Floyd sold movei theatre ticets at $15 a pop when he fought JMM and he still could not sell more tickets than Pac Cotto.

@bigPops, of course it is a smokescreen. Anyone who cannot see that has no brain. They cannot think for themselves so it is easier for them to let Floyd tell them how they should think. But Floyd backed himself into such a corner that he has no choice but to become the crusader fro cleaning up the sport. Otherwise he will look like an ass. What other causes has floyd chamioned in his past. Save the whales? Save the planet? Relief for Haiti? Katrina? Give me one shred of evidence in this man’s past that he has ever championed a single cause. This has nothing to do with detecting drugs. Floyd either demanded the unlimited blood testing to disrupt Pac’s training OR to show that he can impose his will on Pac, OR to simply get out of the fight and make Pac look bad in the porcess. Floyd is better off running for office. He apparently has the ability to hypnotize a lo of people even though he has nothing to back up what he says. Perfect for a politician. But I though he was supposed to be a fighter, wasn’t he? If I wanted to watch politics I would watch cspan

@Kray, also the glove size is the 8 oz gloves for 147 pound fights. Why are you giving Floyd credit for agreeing to what the regs call for? Manny agreed to Floyd’s choice of location and to have the fight called May Pac rather than Pac May even though Pac is the belt holder. Floyd injects xylocaine into his hands so he won’t feel anything when he punches. Isn’t that considered to be an unfair advantage? But Pac never complained about that. He obviously has enough confidence in himself that he can beat Mayweahter even if he does that. Too bad Floyd doesn’t have the same confidence or we would be wathing a different fight tomorrow night.

until mayweather is head of the commision for boxing its rediculous that he dictate the terms a fight should be fought under its unprecedented this level of stupidity.Personally I think Manny should say F.U. Floyd the money obviously doesnt run Mannys life.

@dezzie says:
March 13, 2010 at 5:12 am
Floyd`s famous question; `for 25 million dollars, why not take the test, unless you have something to hide?`

My question; if Jones was prepared to put 25 million dollars and the best venue in the world on the table, why not even turn up when you are supposed to visit Dallas stadium with Arum?

Simple answer the drug that Floyd habitually uses, Zylocaine, is illegal in Dallas.

Who`s affraid of complete drug tests?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Like everyone else, you are subject to your opinion. Why he didn’t take the 25million from Jones bc he know he can make for money fighting in Las Vegas. ex..Mayweather and Mosley tickets: $150-1250 in a 17,000 seat Motel; Pacquaio vs Clottey tickets: $50-700 dollars in a 100, 000 seat stadium where they only sold 40,000 supposedly. you have to sell atleast 2 times as many tickets to make the ammount of money that Floyd and Mosley fight will make. Which of the Biggest fights in History was fought in Arlington, Texas..Las Vegas in the Mecca of Boxing.. Thats why he stayed in Vegas. Manny fought 10 of his last 12 fights in Las Vegas..

@cadberry says:
March 13, 2010 at 1:01 am
@boxingmaniac, the difference between Manny’s condition of $10M per pound penalty and Floyd’s condition of random and unlimited blood testing is that Floyd never has to pay one penny of that penalty. All he has to do is to come in at weight, which he will do. Floyd’s condition, on the other hand, is implemented immediately and his conditions continue all during training, right up until the fight. That is a very big difference between the two conditions. One is a complete non event. It costs nothing for Floyd to agree to it. I could be $10B per pound. Wouldn’t matter. No one is going to pay it. It is only a deterrant. Floyd’s condition, on the other hand is real and will have a very real effect upon Manny if he has to submit to this all during his training camp>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yes, he would have to pay a penalty if he came in overweight and if Manny camp knew Floyd would be with in the regualtions for weight, then why would you even consider a 10 million dolla penalty then..It was too see if Floyd was going to back away from the fight and it backfired on Pac Camp. So since Manny knows he is not taking anyhting illegal who don’t he just take the test..Him saying no backfired on him.

@wowzabean says: PAC DONT CARE ABOUT THE MONEY…

If he doesn’t care about the money then why want he just give Floyd 70/30 split because Floyd needs is the most right? That is what you have been saying all this time..If he is doing for the glory then why not glorify yourself and take the random blood test and show how much of a warrior you really area. Warriors don’t get weak after having there blood drawn. IT not about the money thats a bunch of garbage and I can’t believe any of you dumb, stupid, ignorant retard even reference it in your post. I guess MJ planned basketball because he just love to play..NO, he wanted 30 million a season the last couple of years before he retired int 1998. You can say he has enough money to like great in the PHilipines but to say its not about the money that down right funny. YOu can never get enough money.

Floyd should present his recommendation to the boxing commission and if they find it meritorious, they would surely adopt it. If Floyd insist that Manny undergo random blood testing because he wants it (rather than because it is the requirement of boxing rules) then Manny should not agree. Floyd is not the boxing authority. Who is he to impose boxing rules? Does he think that he is above the law?

@RED FF35 says:
March 12, 2010 at 10:22 pm
I’m just wondering why Floyd became 2# P4P fighter when he just came back from retirement? In tennis, you lose your ranking if you retire and have to fight it back to be on the top again.

Just a thought…

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Because the real boxing critics and analysis know that floyd is the real deal..They have seen how work and respect the caliber of fighters he has trashed. Thats goes to show you that Floyd is the real champion but they could just give him the crown back because he was out of boxing. After this fight he will be WW Champion and the P4P champion again..

Just an answer for your thought..

Many sportspeople from other sports have complained about the way the USADA implements their tests, and seems to single out certain indivuals, giving them more tests than others.

FREDDIE STOP BEGGING FOR A FIGHT WITH FLOYD, IT SHOWS THAT YOU NEED HIM MORE THAN HE NEEDS YOU AND YOUR BOY

Haha! Come here Jaysmooth, let me give you a hug.

@tiger1223usa says:
March 12, 2010 at 8:11 pm
the blood testing is not necessary .the 10 million dollars was needed to stop floyed from doing what he did to marquez and add the blood test which manny says weakens him .floyed trying to take advantage.

PLEASE DON’T COMMENT ON ANYMORE POST>>>>because what you are saying don’t make since really it doesn’t..You are saying fighting at a catchweight of 144 after a 18 month retirment is worthy of a 10 million dollar penalty but when Floyd as for random blood test he is trying to take advantage of Manny.. REally do you think that makes since. Maybe 1 million dollars but not 10 million.. It wasn’t need bc it only happened once in his fighting career. You had atleast 3 fighter who said they think Manny is taking something and need to be test…YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

I had doubt if Manny was on something. I now think he is. This 3 days weakness thing is laughable. I have just read of a South African boxer who tested positive for PEDs. Something is really smelly here…..time will come when everything will be exposed, it is just a matter of time…

mayweather like him or not is right about random blood and drug tests in boxing because it’s different to other sports your health and life is on the line mayweather accepted pacquiaos demands the gloves ring size purse split weight but pacquiao can’t accept a test which mayweather is going to take as well for a $40million dollar fight only people who do that are people who got something to hide

Roach isn’t worried if Mayweather gets a shot at Pacman. Roach is just messing with PBF, playing with him. You gotta remember Roach has been 1 of the best at this for decades.
How can Roach do this? Easy.
Because it won’t hurt Pacman at all if this fight doesn’t happen, Pacman will just keep fighting bigger opponents (just like Clottey) until he stops fighting as he’s done to become great.
But it’s already hurt PBF. And Why?
PBF already had a bad reputation for choosing old or slow opponents, for dodging the best fighter for along time, and now not facing Pacman.
If this fight never happens it only hurts PBF’s reputation.

@tony G – But, you are making this about to be a conspiracy on Floyd’s part. Listen to Pac’s comments, on JKL. He said that Floyd would have the advantage, in the testing, because Floyd’s “BIGGER” than him. He did not say anything, about being “weak”, “superstitious”, etc. So, again, he has contradicted himself. Please explain to me what size has to do with this. Floyd is not a big welterweight, like Joshua Clottey. He and Manny would, probably, weigh within a few lbs of one another on fight night.

Manny is, basically, saying he is insecure about giving up even a perceived advantage to Floyd, in the ring. While Floyd was giving glove size, ring size, etc., without complaint.

As far as the USADA being in Floyd’s pocket. In the first set of negotiations, Floyd asked Manny to choose an agency, Manny was comfortable with. These are not the actions of someone trying to grease the palms of the testing agency.

@Kray, just because both fighters are taking the same test does not mean they are doing the same thing. Pac agreed to the $10M per pound penalty too. If he comes in over, he has to pay Floyd $10M per pound too. But would you consider him agreeing to the same thing> No of course not. Pac probably cannot even make 147 much less exceed it. Just because two people agree to the same thing, doesn’t mean it is the same for both of them. Floyd doesn’t mind blood testing. Manny does. Floyd knows that and is taking advantage of that difference. And it is not about one single test so many days out. It is unlmited blood testing over and over all throughout training. Now maybe that does not bother Floyd, but it does bother Manny and that makes it different. By the way, what does random mean anyway. Does random for Manny mean that Floyd gest tested each and every time Manny does or is randome up to the testing agency to determine who gets what test and when. Maybe with the USADA in Floyd’s pocket, Manny gets tested all the time and Floyd gets tested only once ina while.

1.MANNY NOT UNDEFEATED LIKE FLOYD IS.
2MANNY DON’T HAVE THE KNOCK OUT POWER FLOYD DOES.
3MANNY DON’T HAVE THE SMARTS FLOYD DOES
4MANNY DON’T HAVE THE BETTER LEFT HAND FLOYD DOES.
ENOUGH SAID.

@boxingmaniac, the difference between Manny’s condition of $10M per pound penalty and Floyd’s condition of random and unlimited blood testing is that Floyd never has to pay one penny of that penalty. All he has to do is to come in at weight, which he will do. Floyd’s condition, on the other hand, is implemented immediately and his conditions continue all during training, right up until the fight. That is a very big difference between the two conditions. One is a complete non event. It costs nothing for Floyd to agree to it. I could be $10B per pound. Wouldn’t matter. No one is going to pay it. It is only a deterrant. Floyd’s condition, on the other hand is real and will have a very real effect upon Manny if he has to submit to this all during his training camp.

The key to this old debate is both fighters have a right to negotiate terms for a fight. While Manny requested $10M for every pound over the agreed weight, Floyd asked for an Olympic drug-testing protocol that both fighters would go through.

This is merely a game of perceptions. Manny asked for this to “level the playing field” because his perception was if Floyd comes in with more weight he will have an advantage.

While there have been rumours in the boxing cycles about Manny juicing for a while. These were based on the sudden weight gain. While others compare him to Floyd gaining weight from lightweight as well. Manny gained his in the last two years while Floyd took years to do this. Secondly, his strength was surprising to most in the boxing world while he was climbing the weight divisions. Floyd also requested the Olympic drug-testing protocol to “level the playing field”. This would eliminate any advantage if any of the rumours were true.

Both fighters are trying to level the playing field in different ways and there is nothing wrong with that.

Those who say Manny does not fight for money must check what Bob Arum said when rumours of Manny retiring started. Bob said Money will not retire now and when asked why, he said “Money”. Let us be realistic here, you don’t get into that ring for nothing. The rags to riches story of Manny is just that. Money has made him powerful and he now associates with the “A-list” in the Phillipines and he is an aspiring politician.

Both these fighters like money, period. In fact, all fighters do and are almost all human beings.

@BObby, you wrote that it “doesn’t get any bigger than the Olympics?” Bobby, the Olympics are for AMATEURS!! The best AMATEURS in the world, yes, but still they are all AMATEURS! Sure it gets “bigger than that”. It gets a lot bigger than that. That is why the best amateurs all dream of turning professional. And I seriously doubt that they stuck Michael Phelps with a blood test right before his gold medal race in the finals. In a sport where the difference between first and second place is measured in hundredths of a second, drawing blood at the wrong time just could make the difference between victory and defeat.

Tony G is right. There are non invasive tests out there, but they just have not become standard yet because of all the red tape involved. Ryan Dunn, explored all of this in his article a couple of weeks ago entitled “blood vs urine” You should read it.

as much as I would like to see this fight I hope it never comes off. Mayw. doesnt deserve it. Let him fight the welterweights that are left and everybody will see who the draw is.

Floyd’s wants Olympic type drug testing. Your wishes is granted your honor, but you must box at the Olympics. That’s where he belongs, an amateur. “0″ defeat, it’s a big joke.

I urge Floyd and his fans to buy Pac vs Clottey PPV tomorrow. There you will see pure entertainment and real men fight, standing toe to toe till the other drops.

RED FF25 guess what, it’s boxing not tennis!

I’m just wondering why Floyd became 2# P4P fighter when he just came back from retirement? In tennis, you lose your ranking if you retire and have to fight it back to be on the top again.

Just a thought…

@The Author

“The $10 million penalty for every pound overweight that Pacquiao and his team came up during their negotiations with Mayweather wasn’t standard either, yet Mayweather agreed to it.”

Floyd doesn’t need to pay if he comes within the weight. No sanctioning bodies handle standard on overweight penalty but there is when it comes to illegal drugs – Nevada State Athletic Commission! Let they do their job, you don’t tell a surgeon on how to operate a patient.

Points to Remember:
1. Floyd has a history of coming overweight – it’s reasonable why Team Pacman asked for $10 mil penalty. Floyd has all the right to refuse

2. Manny has never tested positive with narcotics – there’s absolutely no bases for their request & accusation. Manny has NO right to refuse?

@haku313, you are equating blood from the cut with blood being drawn from your vein by a hypodermic needle? You think that is the same thing? First of all, if you look at the Morales fight where Pac had a bad cut, it DID affect his performance in the fight. But not because of loss of blood, but rather because a bad cut like that can be very distracting to a fighter. But most cuts, while they open the skin and some blood trickles down a little, don’t actually bleed that much. Did you ever see a cut any worse than the cut Vitali Klitschko siffered when he fought Lennox Lewis. Looked like he would lose his eye. But it didn’t actually bleed that much. Getting your blood drawn over and over all during training can definitely have a negative affect upon a fighter and should not be used in professional sports. There are non invasive tests that will accomplish the same thing, urine, hair and saliva and Pac has already agreed to place no limit on that. There is no reason for invasive testing like blood other than to harass the other fighter.

Why is this writer bringing up the $10M per pound penalty? What does that have to do with Floyd’s unprecedented demand for random blood testing? The $10M penalty means NOTHING! It could be $100M per pound. Why is everyone making a big deal over this. “Floyd agreed to the $10M per pound penalty”. Give me a break. Big deal. so what. HE IS NEVER GOING TO ACTUALLY PAY IT SO WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE HOW BIG THIS PENALTY IS? All he agreed to really is to make the weight they agreed to, you know to keep that “even playing field”. And it is not ONE test 14 days out. It is RANDOM AND UNLIMITED testing all throughout the most important training camp of Pac’s life. What if he gets tested ever 3 days. Unlimited means just that. Unlimited. You don’t think that will disrupt his training camp?

You can detect that same things using non invasive tests as you can with blood tests due to new advanced in non invasive testing. If nonivasive tests are available, the only reason why Floyd wants invasive testing is to either get out of the fight or to disrupt Pac’s training.

I kinda feel pac had a good reason to avoid testin days before!! That’s like me not drinkin my coffee every mornin before work I will feel weak is a routine I don’t wanna change or lebron not bein allow to use baby powder lol

can you write and look into this:

Sauerland to have Olympic-style drug testing

lol, this is unbelievable, can we take a moment and put this in perspective?

Roach will only support Pac fighting Mayweather when he’s financially troubled so that Pac can avoid stricter drug testing procedures.

Good lord, can you make it seem any more suspicious that your fighter is on something?

So its okay for Shane mosley but Pacquiao wont do it? Iv not heard Mosley complaining. Stop making excuses and tell us really why you wont do the tests. Its because you are a gang of cheats