Pacquiao won’t be able to penetrate Clottey’s clamshell defense

Dave Lahr has quit writing for good due to his horrendous predictions and nonsensical articles

Agreed.

So Cotto was able to beat or at the very least fight Clottey to a draw but Manny won’t be able to do anything against Clottey. This writer is an idiot. As a matter of fact all you folks saying Clottey is definitely going to win are idiots. I don’t think you know jack about the sport of boxing and I sure as hell hope your not gambling men.

Rag tag opponents??? How old are you nine???

bottomline is that this fight won’t be an easy one for either fighter..

More whining.

@ Fighter
lol. that was such a bad and a poor reply.

still, boxing fans > fighter fans. since you are a boxing fan, let go of the flaming.

Clottey should win this fight. The only thing that troubles me is that he appears to be too deferential to Manny. I suspect it is because they are from the same camp. Needless to say, I don’t see the arrogance that he will need to beat Manny. He’s bigger, stronger and a better all around boxer. The only advantage that Manny has is speed which might be nullified by Clottey’s defense and counter-punching. I hope Clottey exposes Pac.

I understand being a fan is important and that every fighter has his day, but on paper clottey seems to easy but all who follow boxing knowthe guys been robbedbefore and could b again. Manny should win but that does not mean he will.

LOL at Tyler Comments!

People have the right to think whatever they want to think its called freedom of speech.
Its not that serious.

To all,

of you who thinks this fight is a mismatch and a sure win for pacquiao. and clottey is such an easy opponent. and you dont give a sh*t on even buying the PPV, then why you all take time writin here. just STFU and mind your own damn businesses, if uv got the fight all figured out then bet your house and your wife’s mom on it. smartaS*es

and to all the haters.. we know that you won’t have anything good to say about pacman.. he may beat up superman but still it won’t be enough.. we, the fans of pacman, are just secured in the knowledge that you haters may not acknowledge his accomplishment but the boxing establishment do not turn a blind eye on these accomplishment and the number of awards given him is sufficient enough..

now for the clottey fight, i’m sure roach knows how stiff of a defense clottey have and i’m sure that he is good enough to find a way to dismantle this defense.

this writer (not so sure though) just can’t make up his mind.. a couple of articles before he is spouting that clottey’s not enough to be on the same ring as the pacman.. and now he’s predicting the opposite.. i wish he’d do the same thing that other ‘retired’ writers of this site did and promise to not write again if pacman wins.. or maybe ‘experience’ already taught ‘him’ something.. right?

lacem up

I think that fight (for better or worse) raised a lot of questions in the fight community. Remember how Aaron Pryor infamously walked through those hellacious punches from Alexis Arguello back in their fights?

Then, the whole Panama Lewis controversy exploded over the “mixed” contents in the water bottle Pryor had in the corner (fighters are only allowed water in the corner). Then shortly after that, more and more info started to come out about Aaron Pryor’s substance abuse. I’m willing to give Pacquiao the benefit of the doubt, but I think a lot of people are looking at the fact that Marquez backed him up for 11 rounds with a broken nose, and Morales was able to keep him a bay in their first fight. Those fights were at ’25 and ’30, so people are thinking to themselves…ok what changed here? It could just be because both of those guys are tactical counter punchers, so I’ll give Pacquiao the benefit of the doubt, but when you look and see that he has two KO 3′s on his record at 110 and 112, people are going to ask the question…especially when you move up, get stronger and you never seem to tire in your fights. Still, I’ll give Pacquiao the benefit of the doubt. Those KOs were early in his career and I’m not really sure what kind of amateur career he had before them. He really isn’t a non stop fighter either like I initially thought. He usually throws in 15-30 second spurts, and then spends a lot of time and energy (a lot of it wasted) bouncing around his opponent (almost pretending to be a boxer vs a brawler). I think this is something that Roach put in when he started working with him and he’s still learning it…footwork, movement setting up the left with the right hand etc…I wish he would stop doing it because it looks silly sometimes, but no question, working with Roach has made him a better boxer…so if it aint broke then no need to fix it for my entertainment. Pac has definitely developed as a boxer under Roach, even if it looks akward at times, so much respect to him for working to step up his game after Morales I.

Then I think…I remember how Mosley was a hellacious puncher at lightweight. He had great speed, and was already a good boxer. When he moved up (and bulked up), he wasn’t blowing through guys like Pacquiao is now. That’s usually the norm for fighters moving up. People expect to see some compromise…even from a world class fighter like Shane.

Now, it could just be the level of competition Pacquiao has been facing (shot Oscar, shot Hatton, shot Castillo, damaged and retiring in two fights Cotto). Maybe Pac just struggles against counter punchers and he hasn’t really faced one in awhile and that’s why he’s been looking so good lately. He hasn’t really fought a good counter puncher since Marquez. Castillo was a good counter puncher (back in the day), but he’s been shot since the suspension. Pac is usually wide open when he throws because of the odd angles he throws punches from. A disciplined counter puncher can catch him all night long fairly easily. Cotto wasn’t in trouble with Pacquiao until Cotto got wild and got caught. When Pac landed, he wanted to brawl and got beat to the punch, and that fight was basically over after that.

Cotto was also coming off of Mosley and Clottey so you have to wonder how much he had in the tank. Remember Cotto had some stiff fights earlier in his career too (Torres, Pinto, Quintana, Judah…and so on). Cotto has been hurt bad before several times and the Magarito assault should have got Magarito jail time. In my oppinion, he should never get a license to fight in the states again and he should consider himself fortunate he’s not in jail if in fact he has used those wraps before which I believe he has. Think about it. Magarito was a compubox wonderkid that just threw a lot of punches. That’s what made him such a good sparring partner for De la Hoya. Then all of a sudden he has guys bleeding from the nose, eyes and ears…and then remember the cauliflower ear fight where he basically knocked the guys ear off? We may never know, but if I never see him fight again, I wouldn’t be disappointed. So, in light of all of that, I’ll give Pacquiao the benefit of the doubt, but his actions have indeed been suspect. I hope it’s all been hype. It does make more sense to have these fight take place before Pac v May, so maybe it still happens, but if it is in fact hype, I think it’s boiled over and has gotten out of hand. Kind of like Clooney and Holmes. Remember all the racial tension around that fight back during the run-up? Was hoping to never see that again…but I guess the more things change, the more they stay the same.

ha,ha guess you never seen much of pac fighting.the clam very expose.also he has this fake and dig should be perfect for cottey,haven seen that punch in about 7 fight hope to see that awesome ko.

I agree with fighter too much credit is being given to manny for wins against fighters who were no longer at their best Barera and Morales were great fighters but they were not at their best when manny came along and Morales still managed to beat Manny.. To date Marquez is Manny’s only opponent who was at the top of his game and that’s why manny had so much trouble with him the rest of Manny’s fights was just good match making they picked the fights that his style could take advantage of that’s why he stayed away from Chris John, Joan Guzman, Zahir Raheem those guys would have made manny look bad with their defense and counter punching.. If clottey follows Cotto’s round 1 then he wins easy Cotto did a good job of keeping his hands high and using his jab in the 1st round and won that round easy and could’ve dominated the fight with that but he let manny bait him into a brawl when manny laid on the ropes and let cotto bang it opened cotto up to an exchange you can’t do that with a fighter with Manny’s speed cotto got hit 4 and 5 times during short exchanges while only getting off 2 or 3 shots that did nothing..

nothing has change DAVE LAHR is still an IDIOT ANIM@1.

huh

Pacquiao vs Clottey should be a great fight however im looking forward to the Jose Louis Castillo vs Alfonso Gomez fight more!

Nice work Speaz but I think it’s why the game plan is to fight him on the outside??????????

i just watched pac cotto , the entire fight for the first time.. ive seen clips b4 thou..im still on the fence about pacman however..mayweather would be a good test for pac..i just dont see how a fighter like pac can be at best average for his entire career then just walk thru these hard punchers..i seen cotto land some real hard punches and it doesnt even phase pac..im suspitious..ive watched boxing for over 40 years (im aging myself here)..i love to watch pac fight but im a man of integrty too…somethings NOT right about him (pac)..

Interesting analogy with Trinidad v Wright. In hindsight Tito never had the legs to move up past welterweight/superwelter, but it made sense at the time.

Here’s how it came about and why its relevant today…

Tito cleaned out the welterweight division at a time when it was just as competitive, if not better than the current welterweight division…and he was still relatively young, so it only made sense to move him up to setup Trinidad v Jones at middleweight.

At the time, the thought of Trinidad losing before the Jones’ fight was unheard of. He beat De la Hoya back when De la Hoya was actually De la Hoya in what was billed at the time as the fight of the century (definitely the showdown of the decade even though it didn’t live up to the hype). After that, he crushed the young phenom, and one of my favorite fighters at the time, Fernando Vargas. Remember, Vargas was somewhat of the Tiger Woods of boxing at the time…the youngest US amateur champ ever…the youngest Junior Middleweight champ of all time…undefeated as a pro. Add to that, Tito’s wins over Whitaker, Pendleton, Campas, and Camacho before De la Hoya and pretty much no one thought Tito could be stopped before the Jones fight.

Then along comes the Hopkins fight which was supposed to be nothing more than a tune-uo for Trinidad v Jones, but little did we know at the time, that Hopkins (who was basically making his bones fighting relative unknowns) had other plans. Not many people thought that Hopkins could befuddle Tito with defense and counter punching but he did…to the point were Tito basically gave up mentally halfway through the fight and began to break down before Hopkins finally put him down. The thing about that fight that annoyed me most is that when there wasn’t a clear target, Tito just wouldn’t throw. In order to beat a guy like that you have to throw, even when there is no target. Hit his arms, his elbows…anything, just work. That’s what Jermaine Taylor did against Winky Wright and he was dominating that fight before the headbutt…I can’t stand when fighters don’t work. Anyway, back to the analogy.

After the Hopkins loss, Tito goes into retirement and actually came back boxing a lot better. He had good movement against Mayorga and actually looked like he worked on his footwork and jab. He destroyed Mayorga, but he actually did it looking like a boxer puncher instead of just a brawler which was impressive. So bring on Jones (who had been starched himself by Tarver) right? Not so fast.

Wright v Trinidad was supposed to be another tune-up fight for Trinidad v Jones (the comeback plan was to fight Jones all along). It made sense at the time. Tito had CRUSHED Vargas before his retirement and Vargas beat Wright (barely). Sort of like how Pacquiao CRUSHED Cotto, but Cotto beat Clottey (barely).

In theory, since Tito beat Vargas (down), and Vargas beat Wright, then Tito should’ve been able to blow Wright out of the water right? Negative. Someone hit the nail right on the head earlier when they said styles make fights and as it turns out, Wright’s style was all wrong for Trinidad.

Vargas was an offensive fighter, so he was taylor made for a power puncher like Tito. Wink was a defensive counter puncher which is the last thing Tito needed to see, but if he was going to fight the speedy counter puncher Jones in a megafight, then he had to get the Wright tune-up in. Sound familiar to a similar situation in boxing today? At the time, no one cared about Winky Wright. He was supposed to be this guy who was too slow, with no offense, no power, who didn’t throw combinations etc… Turns out, he practically shut Tito out on the scorecards in much the same way as Hopkins.

Fast forward a couple of years…

Pacquiao beats down Cotto, but before setting up a potential megafight with the speedy counter punching Mayweather, he turns to a guy that Cotto has already beaten. No problem right? Afterall, Pacquiao did beat Cotto down, so why not get a tune-up in with a defensive minded former champ that Cotto already dispatched of. This time instead of Wright (Vargas leftovers), it’s Clottey (Cotto leftovers). After all, who cares about Clottey? He’s slow, doesn’t throw combinations right, doesn’t punch with the same pop as Cotto right? He’s going to be right there in front of Manny all night right? Almost seems like a rerun. There are actually a lot more similarities…but I won’t go into them all. I actually think it’s a pretty good analogy based on those things alone.

One difference with Clottey though is Clottey will give up the body, because his arms aren’t as long as Wink’s and he doesn’t move as good as Hopkins or Wright. Clottey at times does like to brawl too, but it’s more like Erik Morales, and Arturo Gatti, where if you hit them, they feel the need to answer back right away. Clottey reminds me alot of Winky Wright. He loves to sit in that turtle shell and then smile at you and let you know just how much you didn’t hurt him after you flurry. Then come right back and steal rounds.

If Pac is having a hard time touching the body, or the ref doesn’t let him work, this fight could turn tactical quick. If the ref is someone like Kenny Bayless, watch out…Pac could be in for a long night. Clottey lands heavy combos and they could be just as eye popping as Pac’s. if Clottey looks physically bigger and looks like he’s backing Pacquiao up, then the scoring could get interesting. If he actually starts to back Pacquiao up, the fight is basically over.

BTW, you said no one is talking about pac-clottey … you’re right! no one but me, you ….

Why do you hope clottey winns,have something against manny?

Fighter, you have a big mouth and you are always whining how Manny gets too much credit. Do you still drink breast milk or maybe someone took away your favorite toy. Don’t cry Floyd is here to tuck you into bed. Hush, it’s ok,if you believe really hard like how you believe in Santa Clause then maybe Manny wont win any more fights. Ok. Now go to sleep. Thank you Uncle Floyd, I will tell all the kids in the playground that you will beat the evil Manny.

That’s alright Dave. As long as you do not classify Clottey as “rag tag” after Pacman beats him

Is this article meant to fill a quota… you know atleat have someone that sees Clottey win.

I do think that it will be more competitive that most think… but the more I think about it, the more you have to give it to Pacman.

After watching “Road to Dallas”, I was left with the impressiont that while Pacman was a top notch professional working team, Cottey has a semi-pro crew that was patch together in the last minute and are clueless.

If Clottey, pulls this this one off…. we will have to decide if it’s becuase he is that good… or we are just giving Manny too much credit.

Huna. Well said. Short, sweet, and accurate. there’s a chance for anything, as I’m sure we all picked Tyson over Douglas, Jones over Tarver, etc, but unless some celestial event occurrs, you got it.

FIGHTER, THATS SOME FUNNY SH*T MANNNN !!!!!!!!!!!!!

What happened Bob? It seems like every time you getmade to look a fool, you tuck tail, and leave town for a few days. Same thing happened last time. Man-up dude.

10-6.5=?

a) 6

b) 5

c) I LOVE MANNY PACQUIAO!

d) 3.5

And remember children, the right answer is not always C

Bob. You’re right. Oscar was taller than Manny. He was also YEARS past his prime, and it showed in the fight. If you can’t admitt that, than you’re just as biased as the guy who wrote this thing. Clottey’s different. If you notice, he beat a very slick boxer named Zab Judah. You probably were not chasing Pacquiao headlines just yet. My guess is, you started following Pac a year ago, when you first heard of the sport of boxing.

Dave Lahr is just really obsessed with Pacquiao. I bet he is placing his bet against Clottey since he lost already a lot of money betting against Pacquio

Mr Lahr, I’ll be waiting patiently for your comments Sunday morning. It will be interesting to see how Clottey is somehow now ‘damaged goods’ and so forth…

I have to say though, the last paragraph of this thing is a bit far off. Winky and trinidad (Trini was also overrated) is a whole different story. You can’t compare Winky to Clottey. Winky is a far supperior boxer, having faced, and defeated far superior competition than Clottey. I highly doubt Clottey will be the one to retire Manny. That is a job left for one of two men: Floyd, or more excitingly..Shane.

Even if he can’t penetrate the clamshell Clottey will need to do more than just block shots to win. If he just stands behind that tight guard all night he will loose a wide UD.

Huge, Stronger, Bigger, Nutshell,…what not. However you want to wish, the smaller guy is gonna win by knockout. Pac’s gonna do the same to either Floyd or Moseley and to dave lahr as well.

Styles make fights, and he knows that another guy who is willing and able to trade, like Mosley would destroy him. Shane is a strong WW. Manny could’nt cope. H eMIGHT have a chance against Floyd, as Floyd will not press him. Shane is another animal.

One of the reasons Manny might have trouble is hight. I have mentioned some of the flaws in his armor, noow I WILL say this; Manny uses angles in a great way. But I don’t know if he can do this against a guy who has longer reach AND is taller. We’ll see. Freddy said something about Manny staying on the outside. How? He’s too short in this fight to do that.

‘And the reason Margarito was able to land effectively a small part of the time against Clottey was because he was throwing over 100 punches per round. With that many shots being fired at Clottey in every round, something was bound to get through his guard’

Read that paragraph you just wrote, how many punches does Pacman throw, and how much faster will they be! Come on man, im not saying this is a walk in the park for Pacman and full respect to Clottey but ill take a stoppage in round nine with Clottey in no position to continue!

This is the same guy that said nobody is talking about Manny vs Clottey. Seems like you keep the conversation alive Dave. You know last time I wrote something like this you deleted it twice. We’ll see if you decide to delete this one again because it states the truth about your obsession with Pacquiao.

this prediction is nothing but a silly attempt to increase page hits. you’re a douche lahr.

Just enjoy the fight! It will surely be exciting with lots of explosive punches coming from both fighters.

All you writers keep going on about how shot Miguel Cotto was when Manny destroyed him. Yet unless I am mistaken Joshua Clottey fought the same Miguel Cotto {post Margarito beating} and lost a close decision,now I am not saying Clottey is a bad fighter,I actually have a lot of respect for him especially his punch resistance but come on, Manny can not hit him? I have never seen Clottey in a fight against good opposition where he has not been hit,that is why he has a reputation for having a good chin,you are talking him up to be a defensive genius,he is no Floyd Mayweather!!!!

I’m honestly unsure about this assessment. What I’m sure of is that Pac’s skill will again be challenged. He also throws a lot of punches per round and in many angles so in that regard, I wouldn’t be sure about such a ‘conclusion’. The good thing about it though is that Clottey presents a different opponent and will now determine Pac’s ring generalship which is underrated since he’s been winning in his past fights, although we saw a glimpse of how smart he is in his fight with Cotto. So in a nutshell, I wouldn’t want to bet on it.

Huh? Are you kidding? LOL ?