Pacquiao-Clottey PPV Numbers

its clear floyd is the better draw but to say pacquiao isnt a huge draw is closely idiotic. No way clottey vs anyone other than pac or floyd will get 200k+ buys. And why bring up the Mayweather/DLH fight everytime? DLH was the draw in that fight not floyd.

i say it again us the the uk and europe got it free it aint all bout you yanks

@Uncle No Teeth:

That’s probably because Floyd’s fans actually have money and can afford to watch the fight in the comfort of their own home. I’m a Filipino, and I know how Filipinos are amongst the most notorious demographics when it comes to circle-jerking. When you go to a Filipino house on a Pacquiao night, all you hear is talk about his previous fights and how the opposition is trash. You may call Mayweather trash, but at least his fans know what makes an economy work (i.e. cash flow) and don’t freeload in masses.

Take your “Fighter of the Decade” and “Best P4P Fighter” and shove it. His decision to fight Clottey shows that he’s slowing up and can’t even touch Ray Robinson. You know, Robinson is regarded by most as the best P4P fighter of all time. So, go ahead and put Pacquiao up on that pedestal like the uneducated grunt that you are, because true boxing fans know the history of the sport and know how to truly appreciate a boxer’s skill in and out of the squared circle.

ppv? right, it only in the US…
worldwide, it’S manny…
but people will say US fights bring in the money.
that’s why i say let floyd be the ppv king but he doesn’t have the awards manny has…will floyd get it before he retires? time magazine cover, maybe?

i certainly doubt it….sorry…envious people always have something to say…but the facts apart from numbers speak the truth…

MEN LIE, WOMEN LIE, NUMBERS DON’T LIE.

We just found out that Manny is a draw but not the biggest draw in Boxing. He needs help to reach a million. After all the Mayweather and Cowboys stadium hype he still couldn’t crack the million.

So tell me again how Manny is the biggest draw in boxing.

Remember MEN LIE, WOMEN LIE, NUMBERS DON’T LIE.

x-man movie theater tickets dont count as ppv only ppv buys ..movie tickets is in a different category so that isnt why it sould a million ppv …i think if they didnt do the movie theater they would of had more ppv sales because a lot of those people would of been force to order it online..but the movies does help the total sale so it is a great idea

@Simon

Just so you know, Floyd went through 2 out of the 3 fighters you just listed before Manny did, and he fought a non-drained De La Hoya and an undefeated Hatton. Not only this, but overall sales rate Floyd as the bigger cash cow. That goes on a per-fight and per-year basis, look at the numbers because numbers don’t lie. Manny had the chance to deliver a show to the 3rd largest venue and he failed, outright. If you don’t see that, then you need to get your vision checked.

On the other hand, the PPV sales from Floyd’s fight against a bloated Marquez argue against you. If people didn’t miss Floyd, then why did he generate a larger fight revenue? People watch Floyd because they want to see how long his streak will last and because they want to see a defensive genius at work. That’s what draws people to see Floyd’s fights.

But nobody in this day and age will be better than Sugar Ray Robinson, so the title will go to Sugar first and Manny (going by your logic) next.

@ Dat & Sick of A

Floyd was never missed by the boxing world when he decided to retire. Life went on without Floyd and Pac played and still plays the main man in reviving boxing, by himself with little help from great fighters in the likes of DLH, Hatton & Cotto to name a few. Suddenly Floyd came back to the scence and proclaim himself as the greatest. Floyd was and never will be the greatest fighter until he defeats, which is very unlikely, the #1 P4P King and the Fighter of the Decade who is PACMAN.

@tiger1223usa:

Pacquiao is there by default

manny is still the p4p .all roads lead threw manny pacquiao.i dont care about ppv numbers .

@pugile italiano, fans from around the world tune in and watch Pac right you say? Well what does that say about his following if only Americans tune in and watch Floyd and Floyd numbers consistently destroys Pac PPV numbers? Dude, you contradicting yourself. That should simply say to you Floyd is the bigger PPV draw. So regardless of what you talking, if it don’t make dollars it don’t make cents(sense). True, more people from Pac country tune in and support him, but even with that entire country support it still doesn’t equate to Floyd not once, not twice, but Floyd consistant PPV box office appeal and draw. The numbers don’t lie bro. Spin it however you want, but when the checks roll in, money is distributed, Floyd owning his own promotion company, Floyd not only wins in PV sales, but in overall money in pocket. How and who can dispute that fact, not opinion, but an actual, greenback, Ben Franklin, big face $20′s fact!

to the writer: so your saying that when floyd fights, all the buys are to see him fight? Let’s see how many people would pay to see him fight himself. Let’s get real. I try to give you writers the benefit of the doubt to at least try and be smart about what and how you write.

nonsense.

In fact many sites have noted the whole 650000 to 700000 ppv numbers are from satelite only

im a BOXING FAN…not just a pacquiao fan or a mayweather fan or a duran,hagler holmes,leonard fan…i respect all boxers,..but to measure a fighter’s greatness by his “ppv” numbers is stupid.watch the klitscko fight in germany,my friend,about 50,000 fans will be there.does that happen in america?…ppv – lol.i’m so glad not all americans are like you…

fugate read ryan dunn’s article…it’s right here on this site.also one other thing – maywaether and most american boxers these days are huge AMERICAN draws,in the past there was ali and tyson and leonard who transcended borders and frontiers whenever they fight,pacquiao has gained that status now…MOST FANS AROUND THE GLOBE WATCH PACQUIAO FIGHTS,…mayweather?only there in the U.S.A…so get those horse visors off and you will see that there is the rest of the world around you…mayweather is a big draw in the US,pacquiao is a HUGE DRAW IN THE WORLD…

Pacquio fans are a piece of work. Fact is Mayweather does better ppv numbers than Pacquio whether against common opponents or not. There is no way to dispute this the numbers are clear. So calm down and accept the truth.

hey there you are ANONYMOUS! i love your comment; by the way now it shows how dumb you are; can’t even spell english right and all you know is a street-talk and not in grammar. have you finished kindergarten? you must be one of those who beg for change at the free way off ramp, hope to see you there so i can spare you some.

@Lex

Proposition 1: When you analyze the past for present assessment of current conditions, you can’t pick and choose facts to fit your conclusion. That’s called revisionist history and it has been tried many times in totalitarian societies and only effective for people of dubious intelligence…or pbf nuthuggers.

Proposition 2: For clear and objective insightful analysis on the subject, read Ryan Dunn’s articles, not fckgate, williams or other pabulum punkin’ mofos who really do not belong in the same sentence as the cerebral Mr. Dunn…

helloooooooo, anybody out there? how about you MR ANONYMOUS, don’t ever think about 50/50, 60/40, 65/35 it’s winner takes all. get help from your colleuges to answer the simple question and continue supporting your idol till hiss ass got whooooooopppp!

manny never won the p4p status. he is a replacement p4p champion. he became p4p when floyd vacated it. but now that floyds back its his man. and floyd can ask for a 60/50 split because he is the p4p champ. if he was tryin to get away from the fight he wudve demanded 60/40 from the beggining stating that hes the bigger draw. but he didnt thats because he wanted to fight pacman. u guys sayed manny shud get 60/40 when the ppv numbers came out on the cotto fight because he had more(pacfans). but now u making shyt up so floyd cant ask fo 60/40?. its like this floyds gon ask fo 60/40 and random blood tests. they gon NEGOTIATE n floyd wil tell em to pik one out

where are all of you hiding at? nobody want to answer my question about pacman’s offer “winner takes all.” where are the defenders of arrogant mayweather? you guys are fooled by your idol. you are all nowhere to be found to answer the simple question.

@Ryan Dunn

I thought you were a reasonable guy? Your posts are getting more and more insane.. You compare Cotto to JMM in PPV buys now? A fight where EVERYONE wanted to see Cotto and Manny, and a nice amount of people were upset with Mayweather vs JMM. A fight that was on the same night as a UFC PPV match?

Then you come with a picture of some chart you made where Mayweather’s ending is at 0? Thats what we should base our opinions off of right?

Then you come off with an argument that both had almost identical domestic numbers for Hatton? Wow now we’re picking and choosing which numbers to base this off? “Manny had more buys in their fights against the hispanic boxers JMM and Cotto”? No no no Manny did not… you know that… Floyd did more with JMM and didnt fight Cotto.

You sit and look at the common opponents and you know Floyd sold more. Thats all thats too it. Stop trying to find loop holes to jump through to make an argument. You know who is the bigger draw. So why did the buys go down from when Floyd fought them? Are you saying Floyd broke them and nobody wanted to see them anymore? I know your not trying to go there, because that would tarnish Manny’s accomplishments. But then its either weak fighters after Floyd or Floyd has more sales? Oh wow Floyd has to win something doesnt he? Nah, you guys wont give him that..

Floyd is on his home turf, no one can take that from him,. . the suspicious thing about floyd is he beats marquez by the rules, he won all his fights by the rules of the particular boxing authorities, his complete record until this minute was made by the rules, now he demands the rules be changed to his liking, 3 months before his demands he fights by the rules, now the rules are cheater rules ,, which means? something drastic happened in the last 5 months, what oh what could it have been?
I’ll tell you what ,, floyd, roger, and sr saw Manny put a whoopin on cotto and fear entered into the mayweathers heart, there is no other answer for changing and attacking the rules floyds whole careerr and life was built upon YES FEAR IS A POWERFUL THING, IT COST FLOYD POTENTIALLY 80-100 MILLION DOLLARS .. THERE IS NO OTHER ANSWER FOR SAYING THE RULES THAT MADE YOU GREAT ARE CHEATERS RULES !!!! PEACE

TO ALL PACQUIAO’S FANS:
NOW IS THE TIME TO UNITE AND SEND FLOYD A MESSAGE THAT WE, THE PAYING PUBLIC HAS A SAY ON PRIZEFIGHTS. LET’S ALL BOYCOTT ALL OF FLOYD’S FIGHTS UNTIL HE DECIDES TO FIGHT PACQUIAO UNDER THE COMMISSION’S RULES. UNLESS FLOYD DROPS HIS RIDICULOUS DEMAND AND FIGHTS PACQUIAO UNDER THE COMMISSION’S RULES, HE’S NOT GONNA GET A PENNY FROM US.
Those 650,000 or more PPV buyers plus the 51,000 in attendance at Pacquiao-Clottey fight will surely make a big difference. LET’S ALL DO IT AND DEPRIVE FLOYD TO PULL ANOTHER B.S. IN BOXING.

@ ALL YOU MAYWEATHER HATERS. LOL get a life, yall want to skip the mayweather fight cause yall want him to have lower numbers.WOW what boxing fans yall are. Rather then except the fact that the top 2 welterweights are going 2 put on a show,yall want to throw a hissy fit like little kids CAUSE mayweather puts more ppv numbers up then mayweather.Quit being haters already and give props where props are due.I THINK mayweather wins,fights manny and wins,then mosely fights manny.And both mosely and mayweather prove why they are the best.

@Anthony Staley

I agree Margarito is a cheater, but so is Mosley. If Conte is to be believed, Mosley did his first injection of steroids in the room with Conte to make sure he was doing it correctly then left. Later he admitted to doing steroids, but said he thought they were just supplements.

And Mayweather is fighting Mosley, Manny isn’t fighting Margarito. If you’re going to throw stones, they go both ways.

…ryan

Not to mention their hatton numbers were domestically almost identical. and manny had more buys in their fights against the hispanic boxers JMM and Cotto.

Your logic is flawed, my friend. Numbers and charts don’t lie. Look it up, and don’t omit “The Golden Factor” when you do so.

…ryan

@LuvBoxing…

Here’s something about the numbers that don’t lie… Pacquiao and Mayweather were basically IDENTICAL in PPV buys before they fought ODLH. Don’t believe me? I made a chart!

http://www.liftingfaces.com/uploads/may_pac_ppv.jpg

…ryan

Numbers do not lie you can state your opinion and the way you feel but numbers dont lie, Floyd will kill Pacquiau “Performace Enhancing Drug” using ass, Google Bob Arum, Manny Pacquiao’s Boss, and tell me he wouldn’t fix a fight or promote a cheater like Antonio Margarito? What happened the last fight Pacquiao took a blood test? Pacquiao VS Morales I? Google it!

@FIGHTER
Pacquiao lost only 1 fight with Freddie Roach as his coach and that was the first fight with Eric Morales in 2005 his only loss for this decade. What multiple losses are you talking about?

@biggy – that has to b 1 of the dumbest comments evr..how can u go out ur way to boycott a pbf ppv fight and then claim that would make him less popular than pacman who didnt have people boycotting?all that means is people will tryn do anything to make it seem like mayweather isnt a draw hich shows me they need to get a life and get used to it
for all u haters out there mayweather outsold this fight when he fought baldomir!!!! and that was before he even fought de la hoya so i think that coupled with the fact that mayweather outsold pacman against de la hoya,hatton and marquez shows whos the bigger draw…. for whatever reason

I call him Jim “Scratch and Sniff” Lampley. And boxing will never be replaced by MMA. I do like MMA though.

Boxing is’nt going anywhere. It’ll be here after Jim “BANG” Lampley, and the drunk Larry Merchant, and after Max Kellerman goes through puberty, long before and after MMA. Boxing is, and has been an American pastime. There’s going to be corruption, crooked promoters, cheating fighters, overhyped fighters, and other negativities, but that’s life.

That’s why boxin is diein cuz ppl care more about the ppv numbers like if the money is goin to them!! Fighters like bradley for example claim everyone is duckin them but in reality guys like madiana valero etc etc can’t afford to fight him!! U think floyd to take a pay cut to fight some unknown?? Boxin is a business before a sport!!

That’s why boxing is diein

first of all OSCAR VS FLOYD fight, it wasnt floyd that people want to see it was OSCAR! thats why floyd only got $23m while oscar got $58m on that fight. and hatton fight between manny and floyd was just 20,000 buys difference and it was in recession when manny fought hatton but of course the writer wont mention that. third, when you compare theyre fights recently manny vs cotto had 1.25m ppv against floyd vs marquez 1m PPV a whooping! 250,000 difference! and floyd couldnt fill a 16,000 seat in vegas and they offered discounts and free meals to sell tickets. and now pacquiao alone ,sold the record breaking attendance in texas. SO WHAT THE HELL ALL THIS FLOYD FANS TALKING ABOUT THAT FLOYD SHOULD GET THE HIGHER PURSE. IN YOUR DREAMS FLOMOS!

@ Biggy

you truely are ridiculous!

If you dont want to watch a fight then dont watch it but to ask every Pacquiao fan to boycott Mayweather vs Mosley is just plain retarded.

What about the boxing fans that are fans of both fighters? do they have to choose who to support?

Fans of boxing will pay to see goods fight, period! Anyone who wont watch a fight purely on the basis that they want a certain fighter to have less ppv’s than their favourite fighter are not fans of boxing. They are just cheerleaders for a certain fighter and should stay off this site.

Where did all the common sense go?

HAHAHAHA! floyd and all of his fans thought already how to avoid pacquiao right after they saw what manny did to clottey which is a more defensive fighter than floyd. how funny all this people’s reasoning why the fight will not happen. because you all know manny will agree on 14 days cut off and he is not on steroids thats why floyd already make an alibi to duck manny and the floyd fans will back it up. BTW if its the best that floyd can do it will be recorded in history that floyd the “ALL TIME DUCKER” will be written.

It doesn’t matter. when you put the freaking numbers side by side of common opponents, Floyd out sold Pac. it is that simple. i don’t care where it was held at, i don’t care if it was raining, i don’t care if either fighter had a lucky rabbits foot. Stop making excuses…… Floyd had and will always produce better numbers than pac. i’m not a pac hater, but i cant stand stupid people. every time you come in here its the same stupid ppl making the same dumb arguements, when the proof in black and white is right in their face. makes you think it was a bunch of kids tucked away in mommas basement sneaking on the computer posting idiotic things.

It was Delahoya who sold the PPV’s and it was AHatton fan base who sold the PPV’s. Crack Addicts usually will have to make a choice to buy crack or watch Fraud.

@ fighter

Of coarse Boxing fans knew who pacquiao was when he fought Oscar…i said “relatively” unknown…. Directed towards casual boxing fans, not die hard ones… he by no means was a De la hoya, Mayweather, Hatton,Hopkins type household name yet….so yes face i stand by what i said… In general is there many Casual boxing fans who follow the featherweight division?…you tell me….cause thats where PAc started making noise… only AFTER de la hoya(boxings PPV king) did he become a household / crossover star… do you see the general public/ casual fans talking about Vic darchinyan? or Nonito Donaire? Caballero? they have been on the pound for pound list too…manny became a household after beating de la hoya.. FACT

Obviously this web site is pro Mayweather. All I ever see is anti-Pacquiao article’s one after another. Floyd and Marquez sold 1 million together on the Mexican day parade. Marquez was responsible for about 40% of the PPV sales. I’m not staing my opinion like most just straight facts. Pacquaio sold 700 000 alone without much of a promotion. The fact that they had it at Cowboys Stadium helped abit. No HBO 24/7 for Pacquiao- Clottey either.

@OPS AHH OPS SORRY READ SOMETHING ELSE!!
@KILLA >BUT THEY DONT SAY THE WHOLE STORY AND YOU KNOW THIS MAN!!!!!!!

Others may be buying PPV for the Mayweather-Mosley fight, but I’m not. I’ll just check the results the morning after.

@NEL
NUMBER DON’T LIE, MY MAN.

@Nel

The post was about PPV number.

@Jane Doe. Yes. Floyd SHOULD get the bigger split, and here’s the reasons:

1. Floyd has already drawn more PPV’s in his fights with the same fighters that Manny has fought.

2. Floyd’s undefeated, therefore more people are likely to be anticipating his ’0′ going.

3. Most importantly, Floyd is fighting Shane Mosley, a bonefide world class fighter, who will be a highlight in the boxing archives. Manny fought a journeyman named Joshua Clottey.

See the distinction?

@Drake

I agree 100%.

Damn, Manny fans are delusional. The truth is in black and white and they still find a way to debate it. Get over it. Floyd is the bigger PPV draw. Plain and simple. The funny thing is..with all the superlatives they give Manny i.e supposively P4P best which is subjective, Fighter of the decade which is debatable, and top ATG which is hilarious..He still can’t outsell the fighter Manny fans call boring. Now that’s funny.

Pac/Cotto did more than May/JMM.

That’s the only real comparison we can do in a post DLH world for these guys. Before DLH, manny actually didn’t have that crossover market. The casual fans who might be interested in buying a fight if they liked the boxer enough.

My opinion: May has to beat Mosley CONVINCINGLY and double Mannys numbers cd. Clottey (no dance partner, remember Floydians?) if he wants a 50/50 split come this Fall.

…ryan

Manny is the current P4P champ and mayweather is the challenger of that title, so 50/50 is reasonable!!!!! It takes takes 2 to tango, Mayweather never would make as much money fighting anyone else and same for manny!!!!

So are you saying Mayweather should get more money that Pacquiao if they fight? HA, HA, HA.
Here’s to wishing . ..
Just like the wish, hope, and want that Pacquiao uses PED.
LOL, LOL.

You guys are trying to convince yourselves . . . so funny . .

@bojangles. Are you trying to say that Manny Pacquiao was relatively unknown in dec, 2008? Just over a year ago? After he beat Barerra, JMM twice (controversial)? How do you win fighter of the decade (questionable) without being known. That’s odd. If he was p4p best fighter after Floyd left, wich was 2 years ago, how could he have been unknown? OOOHHH. You mean unknown to those who know nothing about boxing. NNNOOOOWW I get it.

“Men lie, women lie…numbers don’t.” Maybe Pacquiao would have done better if he chose an opponent who had a remote chance at winning. It would’nt matter, he still could’nt match Floyd, in any category.

Of coarse in the context of time which would pull more PPV vs DLH? ODLH Vs FLOYd… 2 well known Boxers at the time.. fighting for the WBC super welter title… fans saw the first 24/7 build up to the fight… fairly even odds on betting…floyd 2-1 favourite… OK….OR…. ODLH fighting Pac….Pacquiao a relitively unknown foreigner,moving up feather/LT/weight champion at the time…They didnt fight for any title….really DLHs last ditch effort at his career…A heavy mismatch at the time… with correct me if im wrong DLH being the 7-1 favourite for the fight…. HMMM MUST ALL BE CAUSE LIL FLOYD IS SOOO POPULAR and not because of 1… when the fight took place 2 how well known the boxers were at the time 3. Were they fighting for a title or not? .. 4. how even people thought the fight would be… 5. which one had more publicity…

your ppv is only at usa.

what about in asia and threw out the world?
gues what you dont know anything about PPV.
So if i where you try to research the ppv of the world. dum dum

If Mayweather will demand 60-40, Pac vs Valero would be awesome. Meanwhile, Floyd should first take care of Mosley come May 1st and look for another opponent after that coz Pacquiao’s legacy is already sealed and he can retire, most likely if he wins the Philippine election. Then Mayweather can be P4P as long as he wants.

for the floyd-jmm fight.. jmm fans are the ones who buy the PPV because they were hoping against hope that their hero would do what pacman did by fighting a bigger man and prevailing.. but sadly he jmm failed to deliver.. so if you guys keep on saying that jmm ain’t no high profile fighter then i know that your dangling from floyd’s sacs.. XD

I hear people talking about boycotting Floyd V.s Mosley. That is a sick joke. I can’t wait for this fight. This fight will be the best in decades. I didn’t get to see the Pac v.s. Clottey until two days ago. That was the worst boxing match I had ever seen. A friend who watched it didn’t blame Pacquaio, but said he would never pay for a fight that Bob (the Don) Arum ever set up again.

Floyd must have really wanted to fight Pacquiao even knowing that he was worth more then Pac. It’s obvious that Pacquiao is scared of Floyd or (he’s dirty and can’t take random testing).

wel floyd shud ask for 60/40. and if floyd wanted a way out earlier he cudve used his ppv draw and sayed he wont accept 50/50 split. so him making excuses to get out of the fight is bullish. hes goin to ask for 60/40 andblood tests. pac will not agree. so theyl tell him to pick one. do u care more about the money or do u care about ur morals and what u believe in and the blood testing. he will have no problem taking a blood test after they ask fo the 60/40 split.

everything talk till floyd beats shane may 1st

Pac Man did 400k against JMM, if that. Floyd got a million in a fight EVERYONE knew he would win easily. Floyd DOUBLED the PPV numbers with DLH. Yes, DLH was the big draw but that blew away anything he had ever done.

Floyd outsold Pac Man in the Hatton fight by 50K or so in the US and DOUBLED it in the UK. The numbers just do not lie. You can spin them how you want but the fact is that Mayweather is the bigger PPV draw BY FAR.

Furthermore, when Arum says it will not go below 650K I am not sure whether to believe him or not. He SWORE that Pac v Hatton was going to do 1.5 million. Even said the same things about knowing it would not be below a million. Then, all of a sudden, he refused to release the numbers. Hmmmmmm.

You cannot trust Arum as far as you can throw him. If Manny would break rank with Arum, he would probably draw more like Mayweather because Mayweather is 10 times as popular now as he ever was with Arum. Manny is costing himself millions by sticking with Top Rank and the crook that is Bob Arum.

@ryann
The purse split Floyd agreed to with Pacquiao which was 50/50 is no longer applicable after the botched blood testing demand. It will be a new negotiation and that fight will never happen, Floyd will demand a much bigger share of the purse because of bigger PPV buys his fight with Mosley generated.

Well said… finally, some facts in the discussion.

Tyler: what exactly did he say that was wrong? Pacquiao may be the better boxer in your eyes, and thats fine. But as far as PPV draw, mayweather is the bigger draw.

It’s not a hard thing to understand. DeLahoya was the draw in each of his fights, even against better fighters, so he made the most money.