Pacquiao: “We’ve created a new technique” – for Clottey bout
March 6th, 2010
By Chris Williams: World Boxing Organization welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao supposedly has created a new fighting technique to use in his fight against former IBF welterweight champion Joshua Clottey when they meet up at the Dallas Cowboy Stadium.
In an article at Abs- cbn news Pacquiao says “We’ve created a new technique. It’s going to be exciting, and a lot of action in the ring.” A new technique could be a number of different things.
That kind of technique would probably pay off for Pacquiao, because Clottey is, as Pacquiao’s trainer Freddie Roach likes to say, is way too passive on defense. Clottey just lets his opponents tee off on him while he covers up for extended periods of time trying to let them wear themselves out while at the same time allowing the stamina poor Clottey much needed breaks. You might as well tape a ‘hit me’ sign on Clottey when he covers up like that.
It’s not a style that top fighters use, but then again, Clottey hasn’t faced all that many top fighters in his career despite his high number #1 ranking by the WBO. Roach has probably taught Pacquiao to throw fast prolonged flurries when Clottey goes into his clamshell defense. And if Pacquiao is free to rain 30 or more consecutive punches on Clottey while he just covers up, Pacquiao can get a stoppage at some point if the referee thinks Clottey is taking too much punishment.
That’s the thing. When a fighter is free to rain fast prolonged punches on an opponent that foolishly just covers up for long stretches, the referees often jump in to stop the fight. My guess is that’s what Pacquiao is talking about here.
Clottey says he’s ready for the Pacquiao bout, but it’s disappointing that he’s talking about using a strategy of just covering up to try and make Pacquiao tire himself out. That’s not much of a strategy if you ask me. It’s also no departure from the way that Clottey has been fighting in the past. You would think that he would come up with something different for this fight, but it doesn’t look like that.
I think Clottey is making a mistake if he thinks that Pacquiao is going to get tired of pounding on him. By the time Pacquiao gets tired, the fight will have long ago been stopped by the referee to protect Clottey from absorbing any more needless punishment with his passive defense.
If Clottey wanted to shake things up, he’d drop the rope-a-dope technique and go after Pacquiao and try to make him fight. Who knows? Maybe Pacquiao’s leg cramp problem might pop up again and then Clottey could batter Pacquiao while he hobbles around the ring on one leg.
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@so clear,
I don’t believe for one minute that either fighter is scared of the other, and I certainly don’t believe that Floyd was looking for a way out like many suggest.
My belief is that if Floyd was looking for a way out, he would have NEVER agreed to a 50-50 split from the start (that is the most logical way out, I think). While we may question their opposition, we can’t question their records. And the fact that Floyd is undefeated and did fight the best (at the lightweight division anyway) would give him a slight edge at the negotiating table (purely based on records – much like Roy Jones not wanting to give Hopkins a 50-50 split because he already defeated him once; I was in full agreement with this until Roy started getting KO’ed all over the place).
Anyway, if Floyd won’t agree to a proven non-invasive testing procedure that was adequate, then the only logical conclusion (IMO) is that Floyd wanted to weaken Pac (which is certainly a viable option knowing how Pac reacts to blood), but not that he was looking for a way out.
It’s sooo clear that d Mayweathers scared of PACMAN cuz PACMAN possesed punching power comparable only to a typhoon coming from d Philippines. Let’s accept it boxing fans! Jr will never fighrt PACMAN!
pacman will kick clotteys ass before d ninth!
Well, now that an effective argument can be made that everything Floyd says he is concerned about can be determined by a combination of non invasive test and 3 or 4 scheduled blood tests, using current technology, let’s see if this fight will get made or not.
If in fact, Manny is taking peds, he will find some excuse not to take even the non invasive tests. Personally I find that scenario to be highly doubtful. IF, in the face of this evidence, on the other hand, Floyd still insists on his random unlimited blood testing all the way up to the day of the fight, then it would seem pretty clear that he was using that all along to either get out of the fight or to harrass Pac to disrupt his training so he will come in at less than 100% to gain an advantage in the fight. One camp is lying and one is telling the truth.
Detection should be done with the minimum amount of invasive testing necessary. Anything more than that would be viewed as harrassment or an excuse.
@ Big Lo
Yeah, part of the point of my article, is that a 3 or 4 test regime for blood is fine. But random, unannounced, unlimited blood testing is overkill IMO. I know that the ADA’s are up in arms about HGH right now, and that’s a big part of the blood testing. But the Nanotrap has a much longer detection window, and it’s only a matter of time before it becomes part of their standards.
…ryan
@Ryan,
I circled back and read a couple of articles posted here about PED testing (yours and Alexander Fugates). Both articles were intriguing and stimulating.
One point that your article touches on is that the EPO Mircera can only be detected in the blood. So, would this invasive procedure be OK (it certainly would be effective if this EPO stays in your system for 40+ days)?
Yes, I am in full agreement that unlimited and random urine testing would be sufficient for HGH (according to your article – nanotrap urinalysis with a 2-week life cycle) and that announced blood testing would be sufficient for EPO.
It seems that this may be the best compromise for our current technology. Also, I do hope that USADA and WADA to start utilizing these new technologies.
big lo, it wasn’t so much a record as it was in one particular race I remember he won by 1/100th of a second and the result was hotly debated by the country who came in second. The point is that he would have his adrenaline in any event, with or without the blood test. What I was saying that WHATEVER the time he swam that race in, if he didn’t have to submit to invasive testing, he MAY HAVW swam it a fraction of a second faster.
We shouldn’t have to speculate. We shouldn’t have to guess. Just take invasive testing of any kind out of the equation. The technology is there right now. That should be what we should all be pushing for. Petitioning the commissions for mandatory blood testing is going in the wrong direction. That is all I was saying.
@Ryan, thanks for the tip. Coming from you, it means a lot.
@so clear
LOL you’re doing good. Use some paragraph breaks next time and it’ll be even BETTER.
Your points on invasive drug testing having different effects on different people is absolutely valid. But Big Lo’s point that athletes should abide by the rules of their sport (ie. Olympians) is also true.
So as long as the fighters are following the rules, and lobbying to have them improved when they need improving, I don’t have any beef. I don’t like the three-ring circus where now the fans think Manny owes it to them to prove Floyd wrong, however. If Floyd has a vested interest in the well-being of him and other athletes, he would have directed his problems at the commissions, not at an athlete.
But he didn’t, and that’s precisely why I don’t think Floyd’s initial motive was to clean up the sport, but to get in Manny’s head and exploit a well-known superstition and weakness of Manny’s: BLOOD TESTING.
A final point. I know Floyd was willing to do the same testing as Manny, as should be expected (Manny would have had to pay $10M per pound if he came in over, too). But one thing neither fighter should underestimate is that in the days leading up to the fight (beginning about two weeks out), their diets become much more aggressive, and they will sometimes have to fast, or dehydrate, or both, in order to come in on weight. Both of these guys walk around closer to 150 or higher, and Floyd even moreso. He shouldn’t underestimate the complications of last minute blood draws to a body in the middle of fasting and dehydration.
There was the Jamaican runner who complained that random blood testing made him week for one of his races. He passed the test and won the race, of course, but he didn’t set a world record. It makes you wonder if perhaps the Olympic Style Testing runs the risk of altering an athlete’s routine just enough to hold their 100% potential back just a touch.
It’s why I’m a severe proponent of NON-INVASIVE testing, and taking steps toward that.
…ryan
Once we have an established irrefutable non invasive testing method in place, then we can finally find out which fighter has been lying and which has been telling the truth. If Pac still wants to put restrictions on the NON INVASIVE testing, then HE MUST BE HIDING SOMETHING. HOWEVER, if Pac says no problem for as much random and unlmited non invasive testing and Floyd comes up with a new roadblock for the fight, then we know this blood testing issue he created was a smokescreen all along.
@So Clear,
One more thing about your Michael Phelps analogy…
We say boxing is 90% mental (I think it’s closer to 50%), but if an athlete has the right mental make-up and focus, then his adrenaline and will-to-win will carry him that extra 1/4 mile, or that extra fingertip distance.
So yes, I do think it’s possible that Phelps could have still broken that record.
Also, I see that we crossed blogs. I did say “If blood testing is the most efficient”, but the next blog said any kind of “random-style” testing that is the most efficient.
@Big Lo
I wrote an article on here outlining Urine vs. Blood. You should check it out. It’s back a few pages now, but you’ll see that 90% of the testing is more effective through urine, and the 10% which requires blood can be updated with a little pair of scissors and a whole lot of red tape.
Urine is the future.
Hair is the future after urine.
Blood is antiquated and highly inefficient (invasive, risk of infection, hazardous material when transported, usually more expensive than urine, etc.).
…ryan
@so clear,
I think we’re on the same page here: Natural training for all, and the fans should not be denied this fight because of political motivations. The camps need to work it out (personally, I liked Arum’s idea of presenting both sides to the NSAC and letting them make a final determination – with the hopes is that the end result is random-style testing of the most efficient kind).
And just one more thing. Floyd cannot have it both ways. Either it is a mismatch and it is ‘easy work” to fight Pac, or it is a very competetive fight that could go either way. If Pac is so easy, one dimensional, doesn’t move his head, blah blah blah, why are you leeaving $45M on the table? IF Pac is so easy, Floyd has to be the dumbest man on the planet for not just accepting the compromise and picking up that easy payday. IF it is such a mismatch, illegal peds woudln’t change the outcome. I think if it was a JMM rematch we were talking about rather than Manny Pacquiao Floyd wouldn;t leave $5M on the table like he did over testing procedures. Again, I do not condone any illegal drugs. We agree on that. I am just saying, then at least admit that Pac woudl be the toughest fight of your career and that you don’t want him to have that extra edge because it woudl crete an unfair advantage that could make the difference inthe outcome of the fight. At least that I would respect. AT least that woudl make sense. But you cannot ridicule his abilities and then say that you have to scuttle a $200M fight because you are not 1000% absolutely positive hie is 100% clean. Now, not inspecting hte gloves before a fight? Entirely different story.
If blood testing is the most efficient test out there, then I say do away with the urine tests and other tests. It makes no point to me do a test that YOU KNOW won’t catch everything unless you have no other choice (or unless you are trying to be cost-effective as Ryan alluded to).
@biglo, and I still say that anyone can increase their red blood cell county by training at altitude instead of doing it the easy way by taking illegal peds. Yes maybe training at altitude saved JMM from a knockout. My point is you don’t need to take PEDS to gain that extra edge of increased oxygen and stamina. So it shoudl not be considered such a big deal to scuttle a $200M fight because Floyd is afraid that Manny may have increased oxygen and stamina. And before you reply, yes I agree with you that this does not justify one bit anyone taking illegal drugs to enhance their performance. If you want incfreased stamina, do it the right way. Train at altitude not bey taking peds. But if the result is the same arguing over the procedure for implementaiton of testing is not a resson to deny the fans this fight.
@Ryan,
I also wanted to add that perhaps I’m putting Floyd’s feelings to paper just like So Clear says you are doing for him. Are you sure that Floyd’s camp isn’t trying to implement this with the NSAC? Maybe the NSAC has bureaucratic tape that needs to be circumvented and Floyd’s camp doesn’t want to wait on it for the Pac fight.
Ellerbe and Haymon seem like smart guys, and they would be maikng a mistake if they aren’t discussing this with the NSAC.
Don’t you think that would be a good PR move, if nothing else? Everybody is upset with Floyd because they feel he has selfish reasons, but forget that. Let’s look at the legitimate reasons.
@big lo, no argument there. Cheating is cheating. I agree. There is no place for any kind of cheating in any sport. I wasn’t trying to condone it. I was simply stating that there is a HUGE difference between loaded gloves and peds. There are even some who say that steroids build too much muscle and actually make you slower.
As for JMM, it didn’t matter what he did or what he took. He couldn’t beat Mayweather if he was ALLOWED to take peds. Now if he had loaded gloves? Big difference. Neither should be condoned of course. But I just don’t see peds as being that dangerous. Not allowed. Absolutely not allowed. No question. But I just think Floyd is making too big a deal over it. I think that the unlimited urine and the 3 blood test are more than enough. Besides, as Ryan said, the focus should not be on mandatory blood testing. The focus should be on getting rid of the blood testing altogether and replacing it with state of the art NON INVASIVE testing that will do everyting blood with and make blood testing obsolete. Then we woudl not be having this argument. I really cannot see Pac refusing to take as many non invasive tests as Floyd wanted.
@Ryan,
Yes, perhaps they should find various methods for testing (non-invasive), but I would certainly feel that any pro athlete (especially a fighter) would be willing to use invasive procedures if required (it’s interesting, because Manny does tend to lose focus when he is cut).
Also, I agree that Floyd could still beat Pac even on PED’s (as DLH beat Vargas), but should he have to prove that (should DLH have had to go thru what he went thru to prove he could beat a roided Vargas?)? Maybe, and this is just speculation, but maybe Mosley was still in the rematch because of the drugs and maybe he lands that one punch that changes DLH’s life.
Is it worth it?
@so clear,
Cheating is cheating. Anything other than hardwork should not be allowed (certainly no artificial enhancements beyond natural vitamins).
About JMM, perhaps the high altitude training prevented him from getting KO’ed (Floyd really should have pressed harder for the KO). So, if JMM didn’t train at 16000 ft, maybe we would have seen a different outcome. It just so happens that Marquez didn’t land enough to effect the outcome anyway (just as Margacheato wouldn’t have landed enough against SSM).
@so clear
Don’t sell yourself short. Half the battle on this site is trying to have a civil discourse and not devolve into name-calling (such as Pactards or Flomos, for example).
@Big Lo et al
One more point I want to make, and it might be obvious. But Floyd being the ring technician he is, and perhaps one of boxings most crafty boxers ever, I don’t think there’s a fighter in the game who can beat him no matter how many PED’s they are on.
In order to beat Floyd Mayweather, that opponent has to come into the ring with the perfect gameplan and the perfect execution of it. The tools they will need are great footwork, accurate punching, great defense, and a good chin. I don’t think PED’s remedy any of those, to be honest.
…ryan
@Ryan Dunn, Geez Ryan, you keep saying all the things I want to say but you say it in a fraction of the words I would use and you present it s much more clear and definitive manner too. How do you do that? I guess that is why you are a writer and I am not. But I agree with you 1000%. Well put. Really. I am glad you are on this site. You are making all of my arguments for me.
@Big Lo, ok, maybe the standards are strict enough. Maybe they are not. But is is up to the commission to make the rules. I do see your point, but why then do we have a commission in the first place if everytime someone thinks the rules are outdated, he can just make his own ruies as he goes along. If we did the same thing with laws we would have anarchy. I have to disagree on one other point. u wrote, “the same is true for loaded gloves”.. I hope you didn’t meant that literally. YOu cannot possibly compare loaded gloves to peds. Look you can get more red blood cells for endurance legally simply by training at altitude. It gives a little edge. So why don’t all boxers train at altitude? Can’t be THAT much of an edge. JMM trained at altitude for Floyd. A lot of good that did him. Now if JMM fought the Floyd fight with loaded gloves, we might have seen a different outcome. Just saying that chaating with loaded gloves is not even remotely the same as cheating with roids or peds. Do u agree?
@Big Lo
I hate to say this, but I truly feel you and Floyd are saying two different things. If you really believe what you say, then you would be imploring Floyd and team to have taken their grave concerns for the ineptness of the sport’s commissions instead of defaming one of the greatest fighters of the past decade in a very thinly veiled attempt to tarnish his name.
I agree with you about the commission needing to update its standards (I wrote an article about it, in fact). I would also ask the anti-doping agencies to look for more expedient ways of implementing the most advanced technologies available.
They should also be striving more seriously for non-invasive testing. If the question is spending more on testing like hair or saliva vs. sticking athletes in heavy training regimes with needles at random, I personally would hope for the former.
…ryan
@So Clear,
You are partially correct. But, the only flaw in your reasoning is that the testing standards of the current commissions are not strict enough. That’s the reason that Mosley (among others) can get away with using EPO.
In the rematch with DLH, I picked DLH to win and I thought that he did pull it out, but I was very impressed with Shane’s resolve in the closing rounds of the fight. Was DLH cheated out of a victory that should have been his? Did DLH take more punishment in the fight with Vargas than he should have? The same goes for loaded gloves.
Also, for the record, I feel that if there is something going on in Pac’s camp, it’s probably without Pac’s knowledge. It may be strictly his team (Ariza, etc) – but I don’t want to start any conspiracy theories, I’m just saying that Pac is innocent.
Ryan,
You say it’s Floyd Sr who started this. I don’t really know who started it, but at this point, I’m hearing from Dr. Margaret Goodman, Victor Conte, individual fighters (Malignaggi, etc), analysts (Atlas, etc), trainers (Mayweathers) and all of these “knowledgeable” sources are pointing to stricter testing standards and the possible use of PED’s in boxing.
So, it’s no longer one source from where these suspicions are coming. This should not be directed solely at Pac, but it needs to start somewhere (what better place than the stage of the richest fight with the two top boxers).
I will support a petition to the ABC or NSAC, or NYAC, or Texas State AC (who doesn’t have any drug testing standards as I understand it) because this can be serious.
Before this whole thing started, I didn’t know much about PED’s, but now I’m aware of EPO, the Clear, the Cream, blood boosting, detection procedures, etc. Also, because of this BALCO investigation, I’m aware of how pervasive this problem really is.
@big Lo, why should Floyd just accept the rules of the governing body, the NSAC? Because of us fans. We want to see the fight. Now is not the time to be a prima donna and be the first fighter in the history of the sport to ignore the rules of the governing body licnsing the fight and make up your own rules. This is your chosen profession. You abide by the rules of the licensing body, period. Manny already agreed to this. If you would too, Floyd, we fans can all pay you guys a king’s rnnsom and enjoy the fight. But you don’t care about us fans. Just about protecting your precious 0
@Ryan Dunn, as always your comments stand out above all the others for making the most sense. I understand why you are a writer. you have the ability to put your thoughts on paper in a crystal clear unbiased and logical manner. You said what I have been thinking but I never could have put it down the way you did. Good job, Ryan. Keep up the good work.
@confession: hahaha. ahhh THAT a-side meth of the revillas. yeah. that would do it! that made nardong putik invincible. hahaha!!!
@Phoocquioao
Maybe you can help me out here? What is Pac’s concern? Is it that he doesn’t want to bowdown to Floyd’s demands or is it that he doesn’t want to get blood drawn close to the fight? His camp has already said that they would do it if the NSAC required it.
And, to answer your question about why should Pac agree to Floyd’s demand, it’s for fans like me (who don’t have an agenda one way or the other). Personally, I don’t care to see this fight because I think it will be fairly one-sided in Floyd’s favor (I would much rather see Mosley & Pac). But, if Pac would do the testing (and would pass), then we would have a fight (potentially – unless you all are correct that Floyd would come up with another demand), and it would put all of this to rest.
I NEVER considered Pac a dirty fighter until all of this was brought up last summer. Now, I can go on my previous ASSUMPTION that Pac is not dirty (but it is just an assumption), or we can get the proof by having him willfully accept random testing (which should be implemented in ALL combat sports, IMO).
@phooquiao, I think you just said everything I was going to say, but you said it even better. Great post. Well put.Anyone who actually believes that Floyd woke up one day and decided to become the crusade champion to clean up boxing, I wouldlike a list of all those people so I can sell them some weght loss product or something thatgrows hair or makes you penis bigger. These people will buy anything.
This whole thing is dumb.
Why the hell should Pac agree to Floyd’s demand of unlimited testing? His belief that testing weakens him out dates Floyd’s steroid hunt by five years.
Why should he now go against what he has felt for half the decade?
Now we have Floyd who suddenly is all about cleaning up the sport. There is no continuity in the man and his words. Not to mention that the way he is supposedly trying to clean up the sport he loves so much is purposefully half-assed.
Not to mention that before he was saying that Pac is juicing, all he could say is that Pac has been beaten before and that he’ll be easy work. So which one is it?
For $40 million dollars, who should have backed down? The guy who hasn’t liked blood testing for 5 years, or the newly-appointed self-proclaimed Martin Luther Kings Jr. of boxing?
Either way you look at it, FLoyd is full of crap. Either he is the greatest fighter to ever live who only fights for money, or none of that is true, and he’s scared to lose to Pac. Either way, the money man throwing fake $100 bills at clubs just lost his $49 million dollar pay-day because he’s a dumb ass.
@graham, I will put in my two cents and will treat you with respect if you will do the same in your reply. fair enough? I agree with Marshal and Thompson but I don’t agree with their insults. No reason not to keep this civil. Look, obviously you are a die hard Floyd fan. there is nothing wrong with that. But the Floyd fans all say it is Pac’s fault. That Floyd agreed to everything but Pac refused this one small thing. The pac fans all say that Pac agreed to everything and Floyd kept asking for more and more things until Pac finally refused. The Floyd fans say the fight was scuttled because of Pac and the Pac fans say the fight was scutteled because of Floyd. It just depends upon your point of view. If I am a Pac fan, I would say that Pac agreed to everything until it got to be too much. Pac agreed to split the purse 50/50 when clearly he should have gotten the lion’s share as the belt holder alwsy does. He is hte more exciting fighter. blah blah blah. He even gave Floyd the top billing, which is unheard of in championship fighs so it is called Mayweather Pacquiao instead of the other way around. Pacquiao had ot enter the ring first instead of hte other way around. Pac agreed to the location being in Nevada even though Dallas stadium made much more sense for a super fight like this. Pac even agreed to drug testing way over and above anything required by the governing body NSAC. Unlmited urine and 3 blood tests including one right after the fight. Pac bent over backwards but it was never enough for Floyd. Even Floyd’s own people urged him to sign when pac lowered the cutoff to 24 days. But there was just no pleaseing Floyd because he didn’t really want the fight in the first place ans was happy to get out of it gracefully.
NOW if I am a Floyd fan I say exactly the opposite. I would say, what are you talking about buddy? I would throw in some insults about the Pac fan’s lack of intelligence and then I woudl say that Fl;oyd agreed to everything butthe fight fell apart because Manny would not agree to simple olympic style testing and he is entitled to a level playing field nad it is floyd who compromised on the purse split not the other way aorund. blah blah blah. Just depends on your point of view
thompson,
Do not deny yourself knowledge just because you think it harm Pacquiao’s cause. Olympic-style random blood testing is for everyone (can be used by everyone). Just because the standards are being set by the Olympics does not mean that it’s only for amatuers. Keep an open mind.
marshall,
It’s the other way round. The request for a random blood test was there from the beginning it did not come in later on. Pacquiao knew about this from the beginning. I know why you are getting confused.
The thing is Pacquiao also had his own demands (I think they were 3 or 4 of them), so Mayweather agreed to all of Pacquiao’s demands, now all what was left was for Pacquiao to agree to Mayweather single demand i.e. to take part in an olympic-style random blood test with Mayweather, and it was as you say “a done deal”. But Pacquiao refused (he jumped on the table pointing an accusing finger at Mayweather, and said “I KILL YOU”) – sorry, got a bit carried away there.
No he did not jump on the table, the money was on the table, $40 million. Pacquiao was so surprised at the speed with which Mayweather agreed to his demands (that he swooned and fell to the floor, as Arum, Roach, and Ariza leaned over to pick him up, he looked at them in shock, muttering “the the the…, the the PPP…, the PPPPEE, the PPPPEEE PEEEEE…OH WHAT HAVE WE DONE?”, they helped him up as he tried to stand shaking with fear, he staggered towards the exit with the rest of his team behind him, they shouted as they walked away “MAYVWEATHER! ZIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT, YOU KNEW THAT EVEN ZE MENTION OF BLOOD SAMPLE WOULD MAKE HIM VWEAK”) – sorry I went off again.
Basically the deal was not completed because Pacquiao refused to take the test.
@thompson, thanks man but I can take care of Graham myself. Don’t blame him. He cannot help himself. You should read some of what he wrote on some of these other sites. He has got his head so far up Floyd’s ass he has brown coming out of his ears. You just have to take his comments for what they are. Amusement for the rest of us. Anyway, I have to go. I am sighing off. I am sure Graham will still be here though with his witty comebacks for the rest of you guys to make fun of. Bye.
@graham, that is the best you can come up with? You;ve got your head so far up Floyd’s ass, all you can see is brown. I’ll bet you are one of those Floyd fans who actually belived that mystery email that Teddy Atlas was talking about. Tell me. I’m right about that, arene’t I? Thanks for bringing some humor into my day. lol
thompson,
you are one confused Pac fan, don’t let the other Pac fans catch you doing that, otherwise they will give you a spanking.
Shhh, listen, the official line is “Pacquiao does not need the money, he’s already rich. He’s a billionaire in the Philipines, that’s why he can afford to walk away from $40 million”,…wink wink.
@graham, you wrote that “Olympic style testing is nothing new?” Marshall is right. You are an idiot. Olympic style testing is for amateurs. Olympic style testing is for the Olympics. Olympic style testing has never been used in professinoal sports, especially in boxing. You believe Manny is on PEDs because Floyd says he is. You probably have a picture of Floyd hanging over your bed. Seriously bro, I don’t want to get into a tit for tat with you like you and Marshall but you really should try to think a little before you post such dumb comments.
@graham, you know I thought you were an idiot before, but now I am sure of it. Take off your Mayweather tinted glasses and maybe you will be able to see. LOL HEre is what is clear. There was a fight. It was a done deal. Then Mayweather came up with all of these ridiculous demands to get out of the fight. ASk yourself this question, moron. Why didn’t Mayweather ask this on any of his 40 previous fights. Did the subject even come up once on any of his 40 previous fights? You don’t fight that just a tad coincidental? You can detect the same thing from urine hair and saliva than you can with blood. But the ONLY reason Floyd wants blood because it is invasive and it will disrupt Pac’straining. You believe everything Floyd says. I am a boxing fan. You are a Floyd fan. That is the difference between us. Floyd walked away from $45M because he didn’t wnat to face Pac in the ring. IF these roids were such an issue, why is Clottey not afraid of fighitng Pac and he doesn’t even have urine testing or a single blood test for that fight. YOur boy is a chicken. I saw you on some other sites and I thought you were an idiot there too. Do your homework. Get your facts straight. Grow up and then come back to these sites. In the meatime, you are just fillling up space with your juvenile clutter. LOL
marshall,
Let’s make this clear. Pacquiao refused to take the test that Mayweather asked for, otherwise we would have a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight. That’s simple. To simplify this even further, I will give you an example, Mosley accepted the test that’s why we have a Mosley-Mayweather fight. Now if you can’t follow this simple logic then you are wasting your time defending Pacquiao The fact that Pacquiao wanted a schedule that was more compatible to himself is not my concern, in fact it is rather disturbing.
If Pacquiao has a mental problem let him get a therapist.
To be honest with you, I only read the first part of your first paragraph. The rest of you comment is gibberish or stuff that has been discounted already.
I believe Pacquiao refused to take the Olympic-style random blood tests because he is hiding something, most likely PEDs.
@zoomx, great post. brittle hands. cherry picks his opponents. Ducks anyone who he thinks he could lose against. Yes. All signs of a washed up fighter. If he thinks he is so much better than Pac, why then did he walk away from $45M and come up with all of these over the top demands just to get out of the fight. Clottey is fighting Pac with no concern at all about peds. If Clottey is not afraid to fight him, why not Floyd? Because Floyd is protecting his precious “0″ like it is life and death. And since his entire persona is defined by that “0″ he would rather walk away from $45M rather than to just settle it in the ring. What are you so afraid of Floyd? ODH knocked out Vargas when he was on roids. Pac was taking unlmited urine and 3 blood tests plus one right after the fight. But Floyd needed a way out of that fight and he found it. Floyd will never fight Pac because he would never ever ever be able to be relegated to the demeaning position of becoming just another one of the long line of Pac victims.
@graham. Sorry, I put your name in the name box by mistake. That last post was from me.
@graham, you just don’t get it, do you? Pac has agreed to take more testing than was required by any boxer ever before. Unlimited urine. 3 blood tests including one right after the fight. He DID agree to take “the test” even though it was not required by NSAC. The fact that Mayweather is taking the same test is Mayweather’s con that you are falling for. It doesn;t bother May one bit but May knows how much it does bother Pac. It is a different experience for him and he is exploiting that difference. Boxing is 50% mental and to have someone sticking a needle into his arm and taking out his blood over and over and over all throughout his training, will totally disrupt his concentration, and, if he says it weakens him, whether it does or not, if he feels it does, then it does. To say they are doing the same thing is not to just plain dumb. Pac agreed to the $10M per pound penalty too. Is THAT doing the same thing? Of course not. Pac has a hard enough time maintaining that weight much less coming in over it. His optimum weight is probably 135 or 140. Just because two people do the same thing does not mean they are doing the same thing.
Floyd is simply afraid to face Pac in the ring and it is so obvious. Did you read the interview where the reporter asked him over and over why, after 40 fights he suddenly decided to “clean up boxing” when the Pac fight was on the table? His answer was “why not?” Is there anything in Floyd’s history that would indicate he is a crusader against drugs? Has he been asking for this for years and now he is finally demanding it? No. He was just afraid to face Pac and needed an excuse to get out of it. Manny agreed to unlimited urine, but that was not enough. Then he agreed to a blood test but that was not enough. Then he agreed to 2 blood test but that was not enough. Then he agreed to take ta third test right after the fight but that was not enough. Then he agreed to lower the cutoff to 24 days but that was not enough. Do you honestly believe that the only reason why he agreed to 24 but not 14 days was because he has this intricate diabolical scheme to juice and he can get away with it if he has those extra 10 days but will be caught if he has to work with only 14 days out? The eyes of the world are watching his eery move. Do you really think he would be taking that kind of a risk? With the advance urine testing you can detect everything that blood can anyway, and if urine cannot do it, there is always saliva or hair. Do you really believe we would be having htis debate if we were talking about non invasive testing? Does it really make sense to you that, Manny would ask for restricgtions and cutoff dates for urine? (cannot pee into that little cup all the time, it bothers me) or (I don’t like when people pull my hair) or (I don;t like swabs being put in my mouth. Come on man. Do you really beleve that crap that Mayweather wants to “clean up boxing?” He wants the tests because they are invasive and he is the kind of person who doesn’t mind having his blood taken and he knows that Pac is the opposite and he is exploting that difference. It is Floyd who walked away from $40M because randomand unlmited urine and 3 blood tests including one right after the fight, weren’t quite good enough for him. Even if Pac had agreed, May would have found another excuse to get out of the fight. Even his father advised him not to fight Pac
Pacman is that dude right now,however,to publicize the fact that there is a new stradegy planned for clottey publicly wasn’t wise,secrects of war should never be revealed when fair game.I think that clotteys camp are well aware of this new so called “new stradegy”and will plan accordingly!Also im sure that clottey has been told over and over about his passive defense and knows he cant afford to be non chaulant about one of the bests”supposidly”offense.Clottey will definately make pac think twice once pacmam takes a few of those body shots from clottey!lol
@ Boxing history!
I totally disagree, once you have the talent to fight you have to read….analyze….and learn your opponent to prepare for the fight also don’t be too confident….its a basic concept.
Shabu makes you hallucinated, you don’t know what you talking about…STFU!
I blame the NSAC not the fighter for this kind of problem, fighter knows what are the weaknesses of the commission and they exploit it, like Mayweather did to Pacquiao, He knew that they don’t implement a blood testing, he suggested it….This ruin all the boxing fan to see the greatest fight ever ….!
ITS THE NSAC FAULT PERIOD…!
Shabu!!! The meth many Filipinos sell their blood to get that increases endurance, energy, and focus. I guess most Filipinos overcome their “superstition” to get this, but Manny can’t give a tablespoon of blood to be tested for PEDs but he can give ten times that amount as long as its not tested for PEDs. Hey if I was on PEDs I would be “superstitious” about tests for PEDs too!!
marshall,
It doesn’t matter how many samples of blood they take, Mayweather will also undergo the same test. And please stop making it sound like it’s something personal against Pacquiao, athletes at the recently ended Olympic games in Vancouver Canada took these tests, it’s nothing new. So why is an elite fighter like Pacquiao refusing to take the test? Pacquiao should not come out those excuses that change almost everyday. Just take the test.
boxing fan,
Pacquiao is a suspected PEDs user because he refused to take an olympic-style random blood test. To make things even more suspicious, he ran away leaving $40 million on the table. If he was clean why would he do that?
Graham, you need to grow a brain. LOL. Firstly it is NOT “one test” It is multiple unlimited random blood testing all during his training. He already agreed to take random and unlmited urine testing. Do you really think he would not agree to take as many non invasive tests that Floyd wanted? Is that what you really believe? He agreed to take the blood tests even thought the NSAC did not require them. Even one immediately after the fight. Anything more than that is just harrassment by Floyd. Floyd left $45M on the table rather than to fight Pac. Do you really think the only reason why Pac agreed to a cut off of 24 days and not 14 days was because he has this diabolical detailed intricate well planned scheme to juice and he can get away with it 24 days out but not 14 days out and somehow he will pass the after the fight test too. come on man. snap out of it. You also probably believe in that email that Teddy Atlas embarrassed himself with when he brought that up on national tv.
New technique; One hand behind back……..
Oops, Jones already did that once, my bad.
@ryan Dunn, yes Mayweather might do good as an evangelist after he retires from boxing judging from how he is able to make people believe whatever he says just because he says it. Is it true that he is distantly related to Jim Jones and that he likes kool aid?
I REITERATE ONE MORE TIME, THE ONLY WAY TO DEFEAT PACQUIAO IS ONE BIG AND STRONG SOLID LUCKY PUNCH. OTHER THAN THIS, I DOUBT NOBODY CAN BEAT HIM, BECAUSE OF THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA: ENDURANCE, FEARLESS, STRATEGY, BOXING STYLE AND COURAGE. THESE ARE HIS PERSONAL ASSETS THAT HE APPLIES WHEN IT COMES TO A BIG BOXING CHAMPIONSHIP. SOME PACMAN HATERS BELIEVE THAT HE TAKES DRUG ENHANCING SUBSTANCE. I SAID NO, BECAUSE HE HAS ALREADY AGREED THAT HE IS WILLING TO TAKE A BLOOD TESTING 24 DAYS BEFORE THE FIGHT AND RIGHT AFTER THE FIGHT WITH MAYWEATHER. BUT NOT SO CLOSE TO THE DAY OF THE FIGHT FOR SIMPLE REASON THAT WILL WEAKEN HIM, MAY LEAD TO SEVERE PUNISHMENT AND AFRAID THAT HE MIGHT DIE AS A RESULT OF BRUTAL KNOCKOUT. THAT IS THE BOTTOMLINE AND THE TRUTH. PLEASE STOP CONDEMNING A PERSON WITHOUT SUPPORTING EVIDENCE THAT IS CONTRARY TO LAW. I AM NOT A DIE HARD FAN OF PACQUIAO, BUT DEFEND MY ANALYSIS BASED ON FACTS AND COMMON SENSE.
JACK FLORES
BOXING ANALYST
juan aussie:
I give you an A for effort but your comeback comments don’t make sense…lol I’m not even gonna get on you it wouldn’t be fair… Just accept the fact that your boy Pac is dirty…
oh, i got it, if i have seen WITH my own eyes. LoL.
@juan aussie: what? did i see in my own eyes? what d’ya mean, in my own eyes? confused.
@graham
if any of you have a grain of evidence against pacquiao using ped’s show it for everybody to see…othrwise it is purely lies…
he passed all previous tests
not associated with any dubious ped character
voted boxer of the decade by bwaa
agreed to 24 days before and night after the fight blood tests
walking away from money is called respect and honor but i believe you don’t knw that…
PACMAN is always trying to improve himself on every fight. That is why he was voted as the FIGHTER OF THE DECADE. He fights to give the fans including the PAC haters a fight to remember. Fans got entertained with his quick KO of Hatton and how he dominated Cotto.
This is going to be one hell of a fight. One of the classics in the making with a lot of fireworks. JUST YOU WATCH.
Pac Man means they created a new undetectable steriod to make him an even more powerful being the night of the fight!!!! There is no new technique…
Oh it’s “transitional” there is no doubt about that. A new formula designed to “throw off” someone but I bet it’s not Clottey! LOL.
Guys, im from the philippines and i would like to share to you what makes pacquiao the fighter he is today… the a-side meth…. the mayweahters knew about it from Mr. Ramon Revilla Sr. the Revillas are known to have these a-side meth, the revillas are a close friend of the PacMan. This a-side meth is only given to a chosen few…. (Manny for instance). If you want to know about the a-side meth…. type in “anting-anting” and “agimat” in google…… these a side meth can give u even more powers when u are in muddy places… search” Nardong Putik”. the Pacman is really a cheater.. hes using a-side meth….
He needs a new technique to fight an overrated over-the-hill plodder? LOL. What’s the new technique. double his dose of PED intake? ROFL.
The new technique is likely an orthodox-to-southpaw transitional stance. This will lead to bi-directional ring movement which will throw off Clottey’s ability to counter effectively. I would imagine that the transitions might take place during body punch flurries. Just a guess.
And to all of you who continue to spout out steroid babble, you are the biggest suckers Floyd Mayweather has ever produced. You guys sound like a flock of zombie sheep spouting out whatever Mayweather wants you to believe. “BAAAAAAAAAAAH”.
…ryan
Maybe he’ll do the windmill punch or something! Hahaha! I can’t wait!!!
boxing fan,
It’s not about hating Pacquiao, it’s about seeking the truth. Why did Pacquiao refuse to take a simple blood test? And why would he leave $40 million behind because of such a harmless test?
Now, you can hide if you want but these questions will not go away. If you trully love the sport of boxing you should be asking these questions too.
I have seen the effect of A-meth, gives you unbelievable strength, make bullet bounce off you and your resistance /stamina is so superhuman.
Last time I’ve seen it was in the movie WAPAKMAN and DARNA same as Superman and Wonder Woman of Hollywood movies.
Some people just never change, that’s just the way it is. No use explaining something to someone specially when their mind is already made up.
to those who hate pacquiao:
so be it don’t watch his fight!but for me he’s one of the greatest in the world and he is not done yet!i bought ppv myself!he typifies true boxer letting it all out inside the ring!those accusation (taking ped’s)is purely lies.
@graham
Are you supporting the A-side meth theory of the Mayweathers? Because that I believe is the reason why Pac won’t entertain such accussations.
It’s an overkill! But interesting to see.I’ll watch it.
The new plan is to pump more steroids into him than ever before
@Wowzabeanhead, the only thing Pacquiao has over me is his W2.
Thank America for that!
For cryin out loud, I know boxers aren’t that smart, but Pacquiao is at the bottom of the pack. Compare him to the Mayweathers all you want, I give give Pacquiao the nod over Roger and perhaps Floyd Sr., but it stops there.
If you want to see someones intelligence, hand them a microphone.
Keep the microphone away from Roach, Arum, the Mayweathers and Pacquiao…Please!!!
tell it like it is,
You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to be a boxer, look at the Mayweather’s. There are different types of intelligence. For sports it’s spatial intelligence. Yea maybe he’s not the smartest in terms of books and knowledge, but he can kick your @ss, and he’s figher of the decade, tit for tat. God rarely gives everyone everything.
Is this guy the biggest airhead in the world or what? I bet if you tested Wapakmans IQ in addition to his blood, it is definitely between 60-80.
Running for public office? Based on what he talks about I question the Filipino people and their leadership.
New technique? I agree with the previous contributor. Its probably a new concoction devised by the famous Alex Ariza.
There are some unfinished tests here!
Doesnt seem like he needs a new plan.Way too active for Clottey.UD
yes the guys a idiot ,he wrong its 7 to 9 cottley get knock out. the question is how many knock down,pac a lefty but he circle his left and hooks,for a right handed fighters its comes from your right,you can block if your fast enough,but you cant duck it(you move into the punch) it as he catch you flat foot
then you go backward on your butt.cottey will taste the canvas ,watch.
Why would they need to develop new strategies to deal with a punching bag? The closer we get to March 13th the Pacquaio braintrust is realizing how big of a mistake they made in choosing Clottey! Manny Pacquaio is about to get a savage battering! A merciful stoppage is the only thing that’ll stop Clottey from knocking him out!
@ anonymous
Are you not tired of talking about that sh*t? I have a suugestion for you, this spring throw a BBQ party in your place and served your quests with “duck” and “chicken” marinated with Xylocaine. How about it?
BoxingHistory; well said.
@ anonymous
Are you not tired of talking about that Sh*t. There are other things worthwhile to say like..this spring why not try duck and chicken BBQ marinated with Xylocaine. How about it?
LOL, Pacquiao! are you sure it’s not a new CONCOCTION?
Was it really necessary to create a new formula just for Clottey. Don’t tell me the old one has expired. Past used by date! ha ha ha.
I understand, you have to keep up with these things, staying ahead is important, you never know who’s watching. Although there will be about 40 000 people watching you in that stadium, I hear there is a distinct lack of “CCTV” over there. Nice.
Must have got hold of some new peds that are undetectable even with blood and urine taken randomly. NEW PED TECHNIQUE
Clottey will get KO in the 1st or 9th – F. Roach
Pacquiaos workrate beats clottey all day even before any new techniques are implemented.
Some idiot down here thinks Pacquiao will knock Clottey out in the 5th or 6th???? LOL
He ddnt change his boxing style.. He just add more..( he just add a little spice).. N we will c on march 13.. We all b suprise that he had new weapon.. Like I said.. He still have space 2 improve..
This new technique is going to be him fighting from a conventional stance then switching back to southpaw. This will not deter Clottey because southpaws nor conventional fighters really give him any problems. Team Pacquaio can talk all that BS about Clottey but it seems to me they are the ones tinkering with their fighting style not Clottey. The saying goes if it’s not broke then don’t fix it. Well Freddie Roach knows that Manny is going to get roughed up in this fight so he is trying to figure out a way for his pupil to suffer less damage. Manny will get busted up in this fight make no doubt about it. They are going to need plan a,b,c, and d to keep Clottey off Manny’s ass.
pacman will stop him 5th or 6th round.
PAC realy impres me alot.. Thers still space 2 improve on him.. I just think that god gave him talent. N he ddnt abuse it.. He listen n work hard on it.. He’s a good student. Plus he had a good teacher(roach) tha realy fit 4 him… A matchmade in heaven.. Way 2 go manny…god blezzz u..
Good shout good shout