Mayweather-Pacquiao: Floyd’s “14-Day Testing Window” Rhetoric:
March 24th, 2010
By Steve Lewis: Three months after failed negotiations, the Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao blood testing issue is still a hot topic.
Arguments from both sides have been repeated ad naseum. Many points have been beaten like a dead horse. Yet, the blood testing issue is still a point of contention.
Recently, RingTalk.com’s Jarrad Woods wrote a piece about how Pacquiao should come clean, and lays most of the blame on Pacquiao for the failed superfight with Mayweather.
But what Woods fails to address, and I have yet to see anyone address this issue adequately, is Mayweather’s compromise of a 14-day testing window.
Was not the reason Mayweather demanded Olympic-style testing in the first place was because he was concerned that Pacquiao could “play the testing calendar?” Mayweather was concerned that Pacquiao could conceivably shoot up on PEDs and flush them out of his system a day or two before the fight and still test negative immediately after the fight. That was what all the brouhaha was all about. It was not enough that Pacquiao submit to a blood test right after the fight because Mayweather contends that Pacquiao would have enough time to flush out the traces of PEDs from his system, and that it would only take a day or two to do so.
So why all of a sudden would Mayweather agree to a 14-day testing window, and not to 24-days like Pacquiao countered with? What difference would it make to Mayweather if it was 24 days instead of 14? Looking at Pacquiao’s rationale for refusing to give blood so close to the fight, it makes sense that he wants it as far back as possible, to minimize any perceived weakness that results from giving blood (however unscientific that notion may be). The point is that Pacquiao is genuine and sincere about his beliefs that giving blood too close to fight night has negative drawbacks.
But how about for Mayweather? How does settling for a 14-day testing window address his concern that Pacquiao could shoot up on PEDs and flush it out of his system a day or two before the fight?
It does not.
A 14-day testing window will not accomplish what Mayweather is trying to achieve or rectify. Which means that his proposal of 14-days is mere pretext. If he was truly concerned that Pacquiao could play the calendar up until the day of the fight, how does Mayweather reconcile that with a 14-day testing window? Unless, of course, it was all for posturing.
Some say Pacquiao should have given in to Mayweather’s demands, but how about Mayweather? If the 14-day testing window was not going to solve his allegedly sincere concern, then why not give in to the extra 10 days and settle on the 24-day testing window as proposed by Pacquiao’s camp? It would not have made a difference anyway. So it makes me skeptical that Floyd was really concerned about fighters’ ability to manipulate the testing calendar, when he proposes things that would be counter-productive anyway.
So are stricter blood testing needed? Yes!
But let us not confuse the issue of needing stricter testing to what was and was not pretense during the Mayweather-Pacquiao negotiations. Let us not have any illusions as to Mayweather’s all-of-a-sudden altruistic motives to clean up the sport of boxing. His timing could not be any more dubious.
Pacquiao has already stated that if the Nevada State Athletic Commission wants to change its rules and adopt Olympic-style testing, he will abide by those rules. But until then, he does not want to be dictated by an opponent, who appears to be motivated by psychological tactics and pugilistic mind games, and by a camp who spews unsubstantiated innuendo, merely because they are in disbelief of Pacquiao’s accomplishments (i.e., “Damn, you are way too good, it can’t possibly be for real!”), which, if you think of it, is an indirect and unconscious compliment.
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pretty boy is not a fighter…he is a dancer………he will do solo on dancing with the stars,he will do the split for the first time….You go girl….lol
@ Kray
Ohhh, Floyd never went over the WW limit! But he did go over the stipulated weight for his fight w/ Marquez. It doesn’t matter if the arbitrary limit for WW is 147. the point is Floyd was going up against a lightweight, so to make things fair, he agreed to come in at a catchweight. And he did not live up to his agreement.
What the penalty is for is to ensure that Floyd doesn’t try to buy himself a pound or two for add’l weight advantage. Hey, if Floyd was so sure he wasn’t going to go over 147, he has nothing to worry about then. It’s not like he’ll have to do anything extra…which is what he’s amking Manny do…extra, above and beyond what is normally required by NSAC. And he never asked for those types of requests before. He does it against a guy who is a perceived real threat.
AHA
just imagine if all fans only appreciated ONE style of boxing like you !! if every fan out there was a total pactard (without much real boxing knowlege), it would be a sad sport !!
Mayweather vs David Haye next, Promoted by KRAY seen as the weight rule is one you can just regard in his book.
Maybe Mayweather wants blood to be drawn every round of the fight.
Typical Article from a Pacquiao fan.
@B Roc – I read Ryan’s piece AFTER I made my comment. It does not change my viewpoint that Manny only agreed to 24 days, because, he was shown on tape giving blood 24 days before the Hatton fight (or anything else I said). I feel, he did not do this as a means to truly compromise, he was saving face. The media ran with this immediately, and Bob Arum, had no other move to make, than to try to convince Manny to go down to 24 days.
In my post, to which you’re referring, I said “Manny wanted the tests a month out. Floyd offered to meet him halfway, and go as far out as 14 days. Manny was shown on film giving blood 24 days before the Hatton fight, so, in an attempt to save face (not compromise), he offered 24 days.” Aside from my OPINION, that Manny was only saving face, did those things NOT occur? Of course they did. You just don’t like how I said it. Ryan’s article does not contradict what I said, it only shades in the details, as to why these proposed cutoff dates, MAY have been presented by PBF and Pac. He’s just offering more details. He’s NOT saying these things did not occur.
As far was what I said about Floyd NEVER coming in over the LIMIT at WW or any other division, he’s competed in, either go back and read my post CAREFULLY, or read the rebuttal I gave to “pack4pac”.
In regards to size, and Manny fighting at WW. He deserves NO special concessions because of weight. He is the WW CHAMPION, not the LW or JLW champion. He and Roach have overplayed the “little man” angle. He needs to fight other fighters at any weight (in which they weigh in) between 141 and 147…NO compromises. Floyd would not have weighed in over 147, even if Manny had he let the NSAC rules prevail. Per the NSAC rules, Floyd could’ve risked the fight being cancelled (as it was a title bout) and/or fines from %10-20% of the agreed upon purse, for coming in overweight. 20% of 40 mil is damn near $10M, already ($8M to be exact). Instead Pac threw $10M on top of what the NSAC would’ve levied. That is outlandish and not logical, since again, Floyd has ALWAYS made the weight LIMIT, of ANY division, he’s fought in. He would do more harm than good, to his cause, to try to come in at a measly 2-3 lbs over the WW limit, even w/o the extra $10 mil penalty thrown on by Pac. Using a CATCHWEIGHT bout, after a 2-year layoff, as a measure of his ability to make the OFFICIAL weight, is bulls*t.
Say what you want, about PBF’s testing request. As you can see, the commissions are really evaluating this as a viable option. And guess what, Manny’s refusal to step up and participate in a more rigorous testing regimen, such as OSDT, has not at stopped the ball from rolling. No biggie, Manny has PLENTY of other guys, at Top Rank, he can fight, and get his way with in the negotiations.
@ KRAY:
A Mayweather apologists calling Manny a “diva.” hahahaha! If that wasn’t the classic pot calling the kettle black.
Manny went from 30 to 24 days because Floyd said Manny had given blood 14 days before the Hatton fight. Manny countered & said, no that was fimed 24 days prior. So he offered a similar 24 days. Floyd declined it, so Manny said forget it.
All these concessions you are talking about that Floyd made counts for nothing if he never intended to go through with the flight in the first place. It was Manny’s camp that suggested an outside agency to conduct the test. Floyd wanted USADA to do it.
Just read Ryan Dunn’s piece that explains the timeline of things and what was negotiated & countered, etc. You apparently don’t know what you’re talking about because Floyd did come in overweight against Marquez (so what do you mean NEVER).
Manny proposed no $10M penalty against Clottey because Clottey made weight in his previous fight, and second, do you really think Clottey would have the money to even pay a $10M penalty? Don’t think so. It’d be useless, just like Floyd’s proposals.
Yes, Manny now fights at welter, but that doesn’t mean that Floyd isn’t the naturally bigger guy. When he says he’s the smaller man, Manny means at normal non-fighting weight, Floyd is naturally bigger. Marquez fought at welter. It doesn’t mean he’s the same size as Floyd. Floyd was still the naturally bigger man. Get those concepts straight.
Manny had a basis to ask Floyd for a weight penalty, Floyd had none for PEDs except for what his crackhead father & uncle are telling him. That’s the difference.
When your hallmark fight is years back at jr. lightweight against Diego Corrales, and your most credible opponents at welterweight were Carlos Baldomir & Zab Judah….c’mon.
That’s what you have to show for? Gatti was popular TV fighter, because he was a blood & guts warrior, though technically limited. He’s just a more popular version of Michael Katsidis. Zab Judah…look what he’s been up to. Baldomir…only became champ because he beat the aforementioned clown Zab Judah.
Fought a jr. welterweight Hatton at welter, fought a lightweight Marquez at welter, and fought a part-time fighter in Oscar & only managed to squeak out a split decision in a stinker of a fight!
Who dat? Floyd Mayweather.
This is getting ridiculous, JaySmooth I feel compelled to reply to one of your earlier posts. It will probably be my last on the subject as it falls on deaf ears.
It was the post where you spoke of Floyds resume, it gave me a good laugh how you described Sharmba Mitchell and co.
Here’s my view… De La Hoya(Biggest fight), Gatti(Warrior), Hernandez (Was 32 when Floyd fought him, had alreaady retired once and still lasted 2 rounds longer against Floyd than he did against De La Hoya 3 years earlier), Hatton (Good fighter, and yes..undefeated…at jr. welter), Corrales (big name,excellent fighter), Castillo (the only man to beat Floyd
), Corley (don’t see this bright future you speak of, was 28-2-1 when he fought Floyd. The biggest name he beat was Bailey(avenged), came up short against Judah, Cotto and even Witter), Mitchell (you are kidding right!? Unlucky first time against Tszyu, but destroyed in rematch. Biggest name he beat was Ndou or Tackie, says it all) Judah (not a household name at all, household name doesn’t just mean the households of boxing fans. still a decent fight for Mayweather, but Tszyu, Spinks and even Baldomir had beat him already), Baldomir (43-9-6 when Floyd fought him just over 3 years ago, seriously…43-9-6!!) Manfredy (good fighter, beat Gatti 11 months before fighting Floyd, but that was more than 11 years ago).
Oh and you forgot the mighty Henry Bruseles….I don’t even know what he was doing in the same ring as Floyd.
Hope you enjoyed my demonstration of how things can be looked at entirely differently, IMHO, even just going back 5 years Floyds resume is pretty weak.
Is it possible to agree to any and all conditions like gloves, weight, purse, etc….when at the end of the day you’ll find a way to duck a fight anyway….thus drug testing. And how convenient that it was never asked before and now it’s a priority! Just an opinion.
its that mayweather & his ego maniac that caused the problem of suppose to be the mega fight with Pacquiao.That mayweather is a boxer period.If he wants to fight Pacman then just fight & cut the Random PED crap & let the people incharged to do that & not anybody else.So don’t blame Pacquiao.Blame mayweather & Golden Boy.They really are bunch of ducks!!!
Floyd’s name means ploy; hence, he’s using ploy and mindgames to ruffle Paquiao. Pac should not agree for it’s like he has conceded the mindgame, making Pac toe May’s line which no doubt would be in favor of KFC.Come fight night, imagine Pac eating from May’s plate. Not a good sight coming from Pac’s side.
@ Kray
I have to say I agree completely with you here. Great response.
Lets hear it for the Non Fighting all talking Champion of the World FMJ.
One mans got a History of avoiding opponents the other gets accused by the former of taking PEDS. Work it out!!!
I want the Pacquiao fans to explain why Pacquiao went back to training the very next day after giving blood during his training for the Clottey fight. Go a head take your time guys.
@Kray
You basically sumed it all up.
pac will retire now that the top people in boxing are startin to agree with cleanin up the sport and he s not hiding anything cheating little freak
Floyd need Pacquiao blood to drink it and to absurd the Pacquiao’s Power ..The same way that he did to Marquez pee.
My, My 321 comments!
DO YOU ALL AGREE THAT IF THIS FIGHT HAPPENS, IT WILL BE THE BIGGEST EVENT IN BOXING HISTORY?
The best thing they can do to make the fight happen is to meet half way on the blood testing and go with the 14 day cutt-off IMO. A teaspoon of blood being taken won’t kill anyone.
This is old news allready. Mayweather is not the first fighter to ask for extra testing in a mega fight, and I don’t believe Pacquiao is the first to refuse, but either way you can’t assume someone is afraid if they ask for it, just like you can’t assume some one is dirty, because they refuse. People don’t remember this, but Mike Tyson asked Evander Holyfield to take a blood test before their fight, because he thought Holyfield was using steriods; no one called Tyson scared though. I believe if Mayweather jr was really scared to lose he wouldn’t have agreed to fight Mosley, because he has a serious chance of loosing that fight. Being so biased limits your ability to use logic.
Another negative article on either Pacquiao or Mayweather. When will it end? Maybe when people stop reading them, I’m out.
Floyd is not Class “A” Fighter…he is class “C” Fighters short for Chicken ,Coward and Criminal.
There’s more to this story. Stay tuned for Part 2 of the Rhetoric.
…ryan
this is all psychological, floyd knows that testing gets in the head of manny, and floyd is the king when it comes to getting in the head of your opponent.
All this is a bunch of back and forth BS. Fans should wise up and see it for what it is, a way to further promote the fight. If Mayweather gets past Mosley you will see that all this will serve as a platform to promote this fight into making the largest ppv numbers in the history of the sport. DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE people.
If Floyd suspects that Pac can conceivably shoot PEDS and flush it out a day or 2 before the fight, does it mean that Floyd had done it? If I don’t have any proof, I would still think that Floyd had done it because his family had a history of using almost everything from his Dad, Uncle and who knows who else. Furthermore, if cleaning the sport is Floyd’s goal, he could have started with JMM when he came out of retirement. It will be a more believable mission for him.
I see it this way. Mayweather caved in with his demands twice. First, Floyd said blood test up until the fight, then he said he would go for 7 days prior, and then he said 14 days. I see him trying to compromise. While Pacman went from 30 to 24. Hell, he could have at least met Floyd half way. I mean DAMN. Is that so difficult.
People forget how crazy Pac is when it comes to negotiations. He wouldn’t even fight Hatton without a 52/48 purse split in his favor. This was when Hatton was proven draw compared to Pac.
what a BS story…its obvious that with only 14 days left until the fight your training is pretty over you f^ckin idiot…
Here again, another TOTALLY bias, 100% opinion based article where the writer can not separate his undying love for his favorite boxer and literal hate for his opponent, or in this case, potential opponent. I come on here daily just to read the posts of the fanatics(on both sides) to get my daily laughs. I have to admit though, for the most part, the mayweather fan base at least tries to use some facts to support their arguments and opinions , whereas, Paquiao fans simply make excuses and call names. So childish and immature and affirms to me that most of his fans are not fans of boxing, just fans of the Pacman. Again, before y’all write and bash me, I did say MOST, not ALL. So if I’m bashed, well, you all know what category that person or persons fall under……LOL
there are only two kinds of PEDs that a boxer needs. 1 for strength(power) and 1 for endurance(stamina) any other PEDs are irrelivant.
can anyone name a PED that manny pacquiao need for this fight? there are lot of PEDs out there. those people who knows anything about PEDs show up and we can have a debate about PEDs. if you have little knowledge about this subject please just drop your argument.
@anon
Las Vegas lets you use Lidocaine on fight night, none of the other states do.
And Mosley admitted to using injectible EPO knowingly while under oath during grand jury testimony. He admitted that he knew about all of the drugs he was on and confirmed his PED calendar with Victor Conte.
Get up on your facts okay?
…ryan
I haven’t had the chance to read any posts here, but what the writer of this article fails to realize is that boxers train for 8 to 10 weeks for a match. The 14 day succession would only give Pac maybe 10 to 11 days to use PEDs. He would have to cycle off in order to pass the post fight test. Mayweather wanted to fight so he would give Pac the smallest window possible and still make the fight and allieviate the too close to the fight blood draw since that was the main issue. This is what pretty much proves who walked away from the fight. It was just noted in the Clottey fight, Pac gave blood 19 days before the fight. What people don’t know and understand is this blood test was NOT a drug test. It was to check for HIV, hepatitis, and other illnesses. The Texas commission does NOT conduct blood drug testing!
anon….10 weeks is more than enough to promote this fight. actually it’s self promoted. both parties has to be blamed for this collapse.
anon….maybe it doesn’t concern you at all. but to some people it does. i, myself gets nervous when they took blood from me.
anon……urine analysis is more than sufficient to detect PEDs. the problem is the scheduling. it requires proper timing. anybody can beat the testing whether blood or urine testing it don’t matter. the tester should know when to administer the test.
@mrsweetsci- since wen does it take 24 days to recover from a tiny bit of blood drawin..thats jus an excuse…truth is its mostly arums fault anyway.if u look at a manny interview even after the fight fell through he still thought pbf wanted testing till the day of the fight but he had since changed to a week which shows u he had less to do with it(but wheter he guilty or nor still remains to b seen) arum jus knew he didnt have enough time to promote the fight so he did evrything to make it look like it was pbf fault
Sabembe Mawatu ur misinformed mayweather used a painkiller during training which he cant use during the week of the fight so it doesnt even benefit him..but nice try anyway lol
also if it increased his punching power like u say then y has h only had 1 ko in his last 5 fights?and hurt his hands in 2 of the fights…lol the stupidity of some people is beyond me
also mosley never tested positive he jus admitted to unknowingly takin steroids at a hearing,he passed all the usual urine tests which is y they arent sufficient.
jaysmooth…….manny agreed to unlimited urine testing. this test should be enough to detect a synthetic HGH in your system. the reason why manny asked for 24 day is that he needs more time to recuperate for that blood drawing. the only PED i know that can last up to 14 days in recombinant EPO. this kind of EPO can also be detected through urine analysis.
mayweather is fighting mosley who is also takin all random tests whenever wherever so what about that?..also mayweather said if he was to fight manny now the tests would have to be till the day of the fight.
also different peds take different lenghts off time to go out the system..and someone takin peds during training still gets the benefits thats the whole point they dont need to keep takin it till day of fight..for eg epo are there to aid recovery and stamina so u would benefit during tough training and wouldnt even need them close to fight time would u?
maybe it was mind games aswell but he wouldnt even have had the opportunity if manny jus manned up and took the test in the first place without all this drama of 30 days or 24 days random or not random.if he accepted ther would be no reason for any changes or even more concessions on mayweathers part..
but anyway isnt it funny that manny is thinking of retiring when theres pressure to fight a great slick fighter like mosley or mayweather who are better and bigger than marquez and when theres increased pressure of drug testing?
also manny has not been in a hard fight since marquez so y all the concern from family that hes talkin about like hes been in wars or getting beat up.
anybody who wants to c manny fight mosley or floyd better hope his politics thing in may doesnt work out!
jaysmooth…….i assumed the HGH you’re talking about is the synthetic(artificial)HGH. there are 2 kinds of HGH. natural(human body produced)HGH and artificial(synthetic)HGH. these HGH(both natural and artificial) can be detected through blood testing but it can not distinguish if it’s artificial or natural. you still need urine analysis to know if it’s artificial or not.
These IGNORANT people have never been tothe Philippines nor do they read the news or any intelligent materials.
You don’t know anything about the culture.
Encouraged touse PEDs int he Philippines?
YOu are a LOW LIFE LOW INTELLECT DEGENERATE who know nothing about the culture of the Philippines.
@ wow
sorry for late reply i need to work just got on pc.
that its exactly I wanna point out. i acknowledge we are both boxing fan not fighter fan. Floyd fans keep saying that 40-0 like that floyd jr never tasted a lost in his boxing career Amateur + pro. As i was saying “man set his mind to what the man wanted to see”. Statistically floyd has slight advantage for sure not a overwhelming one like die hard fans of floyd
Please SHOW PROOF THAT PEDS are manufactured int he Philippines, accusers.
Please show proof other than WISH, HOPE, WANT that Pacquiao is on PEDs.
Blacks use PEDs, Filipinos don’t.
This website is so anti-Pacquiao.
Everyone knows that HGH and numerous PEDS are manufactured in the Philipines. The most sought after PEDS come from the Philipines. Its legal in the Philipines to use any of these drugs in any bout, in fact it is encouraged.
WOW .. JAYSMOOTH…. lex_fugitive are floyd’s handles…
Floyd please fight manny. you were the one who said that manny is one dimensional fighter. He had kissed the canvas 3 times. You are the greatest fighter of all time (you said that yourself!). By the way why is it that you choice Juam Manuel Marquez to fight after you came out of retirement! Please floyd just fight don’t those excuses.. FLOYD MAYWEATHER WILL FIGHT MANNY PACQUIAO NOW because he is the greatest fighter of all time. He is the best fighter… the defensive genius…
floyd those are the facts that you are not the best NOT A COWARD. Please fight manny and you will the greatest hero of all time!
Can you Mayweather fans tell Floyd that if he is trying to make boxing a drug free sport than he should start with the Mayweather team and his entourage?
aha @/manny dont cherry pick .barrera .moralas , cotto .delahoya is not cherry pickink .fm is a cheat and a cherry picker marquez
The best way to solve the Pacman/PBF argument is not blood test. It is a LIE DETECTOR TEST!!!! If one does not pass the lie detector test he is presumed guilty of taking PED or steroid. Then he will be penalized and the opponent will receive the payment and can choose to fight or not fight. LEAST EXPENSIVE, LEAST INVASIVE YET MOST ACCURATE !!!
Ditto @ Sabembe Mawatu. Many boxer’s multi-weight title these days don’t mean $#!t. Pac, for example, cherry-picked Diaz who was the weakest of the three alphabet title holders at his weight. I laughed at people who mention Pac on the same sentence as Henry Armstrong. Blind idolatry. Pac is good, but he is a cherry-picker. Yes, people, he is.
Totally agree with JaySmooth. Roach is a shady character.
@Sabembe Mawatu says AND ANY OF THE OTHERS WHO CARE TO READ:
March 25, 2010 at 4:33 am
If it is really effective that a PED can be flushed out in 24 hrs, why would Pacquiao be on PED and then flush it before the foght? Pacquiao agreed to a blood test right after the fight in the locker, so it means he has to flush out of PED before the fightnight. What’s the point of taking PED??>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Just read and imagine for this one instance. Ok, Roach trained James Toney, who tested positive for PED/steroids or whatever u want to call it. He was quoted as saying” We didn’t know the steroids were still n his body on fight night”. so for you to ask a question like why would a fighter still use a drug if they know there is a possibility they might get caught. Its simple, You don’t think you will be that person who is caught. Especially if you have beat test in the past. Freddie Roach Trains Pac and he knew james Toney was taking steroids/PEDs, so why isn’t it likely that Manny could be taking PED or steroids as well. You learn from you mistakes, you live to do things better than you did in the past and then you hope to get over the next time around because you have learned. That is just what Roach has done, he has learned the system and he knows what to take and what can be detected with different test. Know open you eyes I hope you see it clear now.
@ JAYSMOOTH;
shane better than pacman? please get real man..never mind giving the comparison because if you really follow boxing then you should know!!
It is true that todays boxing greats can not be determined rightfully compared to the old greats.
Todays boxing, a number 1 contender for a particular division may be denied to challenge the champion for a title fight due to popularity reason. On the other hand a #4 or #5 contender in line could bypass other contenders and take the championship fight because of marketability and can draw more revenues. It is because the mandatory line up is not being applied anymore.
NOwadays champions can just easily vacate a title without defending it ones or twice, without facing stiff clallenge and go for another bigger and high purse fight. Thats why it’s difficult to actually tell a great or best boxer today.
Manny is great, Mayweather is great, Mosley perhaps, and others, but they can neither be compared to the old time greats nor can be considered all time greats due to the aforementioned reason.
Today boxers are determine by how much revenues they drew or how much they earned in given period, not how many great opponents they’ve beaten.
To all who care to read:
If Mayweather is a chicken and some of you are saying that he was afraid to fight Pac. I have 2 question for you 1) Who is a better fighter Manny or Shane? If you are a real boxing fan you know the answer. Just like myself and many others had said Shane is by far a better boxers/fighter than Manny. So, lets get back to what some of you idiots are saying about Floyd avoidng Pac bc he can’t be Manny. Then why would he agree to fight Shane Mosley when Shane is better than Pac. That don’t make since. Really just think about it. If Roach said, ” Shane is too good for Manny to fight, unless they fight at 142″ then why would Floyd be afraid to fight Manny but choose to fight Shane. Got me scratching my head on this one….
Floyd should not fight a boxer who does not undergo rigorous drug testing starting May 1st, because if he does, no one would believe on him.
I agree with the idea of clean boxing, but it should be plane to all and the commissions should have the same standard that neither the fighter nor the promoter could have the excuses.
Another thing is the match-up system. Match-up should be according to contenders mandatory challenge not by business promotion match-up. There are contenders deserve to fight title bouts, but beeing denied due to marketability reason.
Boxing nowadays is becoming more market oriented than real boxing. Thats why it is called boxing hand pick match.
and the most controversial question. Why now? after 40 fights and 1 retirement?
And being the bigger fighter (Mayweather) with all advantages with him ( height, reach, weight, skills except maybe speed and of course not power), and telling everybody that Pacquiao can’t beat him even with steroids (or A-side Meth according to his trainers) on. Mayweather must also answer his question… Why walk away from that money if you’re too confident to beat the guy. Can you see how he avoids the media questions. I’m not saying Pacquiao is clean, but Pacquiao has no history of cheating like Mayweather did in the Marquez fight when he didn’t honor the contract and avoided all questions why he did it. The truth comes to haunt you in the end.
If it is really effective that a PED can be flushed out in 24 hrs, why would Pacquiao be on PED and then flush it before the foght? Pacquiao agreed to a blood test right after the fight in the locker, so it means he has to flush out of PED before the fightnight. What’s the point of taking PED??
It has already been regarded in most of the boxing circulation that Floyd knows that Pacquiao doesn’t want to give his blood because it weakens him at fight night… the reason he gave on national news why he lost to Morales on their first fight along with the gloves, etc. (you can find it in youtube folks). Now, I agree with Mayweather with the blood testing, and Pacquiao must just take it and laugh at Mayweather and his supporters who thought Pacquiao was so great, that he thought he was on steroids, or A-side meth (what a damn accusation).
if mayweather wants to keep the boxing drug free, why dont he ask all coming fights (like super 6 tourney) to take drug test also.
Lewis, do you know something that could thoroughly flush-out a PED in 24 hrs? If you knew, pls tell us so that we can apply it to our players. BUt before you say so please show me your credentials beeing expert on drug or PED..and your experiment result to whoever you’ve tested if there is any.
Do not just speculate that a PED can be flushed out in matter of minutes without totally leaving a trace if you yourself has not done that experiment or read a book. Likewise do not just accuse that someone is on something if you could not find a little trace or been tested positive even ones in the past. Make your article sensible next time.
It is because Mayweather and Mayweather adict fans really, really scared of Pacquiao and really really scared to lose a “0″ beacause the “0″ is the only Mayweather’s marketing value, he never fought as great as Pacquiao.
Mayweather and Mosley knows the advatange, benefit and effect of PED because they’ve been on it thats why they pursue the rigorous drug test for their speculations on Manny might have on PED as well.
Mosley has tested once positive on PED and admitted it. Mayweather has been applying pain absorber drug to enhance his punching power. Both fighters had been unfair and now they are trying to make the boxing sport seem fair just because of one reason, just because of scare of little fellow whom they can not beat without sucking anything from him.
First of all, everyone should read JAYSMOOTH comment,it will make lot of sense to you if you are a reasonable person
I’m tired of hearing Pacqoui calling out Mayweather, as if he will agree to the olympic drug testing stlye…
Next time Pacquoi calls out Mayweather, he should make it clear that he wants to fight Mayweather with or without olympic drug testing style..
@B-Rock says:
March 24, 2010 at 5:29 pm
@ WOW:
LOL! How naive! How naive!
To think he added, “…and Floyd history of being a big PPV draw, I’m not mad at Floyd for demanding a bigger cut of the purse.” You’re funny, man!
Numbers don’t lie, my bootie. Take a statistics class, man. You can make the stats say anything. It doesn’t take into account who his opponent was, when the fight took place, etc. There are other factors at work. You think Floyd would have drawn 700,000 against Joshua Clottey? Don’t think so.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
First off, Floyd would not have fought a C Class fighter in Clottey who had no back or had not made a name for himself. You must really know boxing to know that Floyd had to be the guys who had the household names to get to where he was. If you go to boxrec and look at Floyd resume, you will see more big name fighters than you would if you go down Manny’s list. Just to name a few: Gatti and De la Hoya ( Cash-cows), Genaro Hernandez(HOF), Ricky Hatton( UK and Undefeated), Diego Corralos( a warrior), Jose Louis Castillo, Corley( had a brite future), Shamba Mitchell, Zab Judah(household name), Baldimoir( brusier and tough), Angel Manfredy (Top Contender). Like i have stated before in many other post, when you look to make comparisons to Floyd and Manny, you must look at the year and the competetion and look at who they both fought at that time. Because you can look at fighters that both have fought and they are not as good as they were in the past.
Because the HBO 24/7 footage of him getting his blood drawn for the Hatton fight was 24 days before the fight.
To the author and others:
I understand you point and you have a valid argument. Here is what you are not seeing or mentioning. The fact is that 14 days isn’t enough time to actually start a HGH cycle. Before you really gain any effects from using HGH you must use it for at least 3 weeks sometimes more. We already know that it takes less than 24 hours to flush it out of your system. So, now lets look at the 24 day cut off that Manny and his camp are asking for. 24 Days is more than 3 weeks, which is what is need before you start seeing any effects from using HGH and 3 weeks is 21 days. So, if you take the 21 days from the 24 which Pac Camp is asking for that leaves you 3 days. Now like i stated and most of you already know, it takes less than 24 hours to cycle HGH out of you system. These three days are more than enough time to come clean before fight night.
Now, lets briefly look at the 14 days that Floyd has requested. Like i stated earlier, it takes 21 days (3 weeks) before you start seeing the effects of the HGH. what i am about to say next is simple logic and understanding. You can’t get a full cycle of HGH in your body and out in 14 days and be clean before or after the fight.
So, actually 14 days does prove what Floyd is trying to do. He is trying to interupt Mannys PED cycle(that is if he is using them). And its so funny how Manny called off the fight when floyd wanted 14. These trainers and strength coaches know what is going on and how to beat the system.
One last thing. Why did Pac’s camp ask for 24 days instead of 21 days. Who ever ask for 3 weeks and 3 days? Why? Sound suspect to me..
I posed the same question that the author poses to many boxing writers. Only one actually responded to me and he didn’t even give me an answer.
The fact is, if Mayweather wants to clean up the sport, then he shouldn’t leave a window that would allow his opponent to cheat. Suggesting that 14 days is not enough time to properly juice is a dumb cop-out. That suggests that Floyd would be fine with Pac juicing as long as he isn’t allowed to juice enough to beat him. Now how dumb is that? Very dumb. Thing is, I though he said that Pac was easy work anyway.
Floyd (supposedly) wants to clean up the sport. Offering a 14 day window that would allow your opponent to cheat and get away with it is a contradiction on Floyd’s part.
So which is it Floyd? It’s okay to cheat as long as it’s minimal, or no cheating at all?
So why the hell would Pac agree to Floyd’s demands when Floyd doesn’t even know what the hell he’s asking for?
Technology is so advance that urine test detects PED.
@ Anonymous… what is “he tried nething and everything to set up the fight” mean? You need to effectively communicate. Another Floydumb fan?
to the writer. he asked for random blood testing and urine.pac counterd with 30 days floyd sayed il meet u half way.he tried nething and everything to set up the fight
@ pac can’t…. of course Pacman can beat Floyduck, HANDS DOWN!…. he is OLD and passed his prime
Duckfans, here is a quote for you to ponder. From the best pound-for-pound, best fighter of the decade, the GOD of Duckfloyd…. MANNY “PACMAN” PACQUIAO
“I came this far in my boxing career without Mayweather, so I see no need to call him out. He needs me to bolster his career. I do not need him, they are the ones who need me. I am open to him fighting me anytime he wants to.”
It looks like Manny is telling you Duckfans and your idol that you ain’t nothin’.
@Facts Yall
From what I’ve heard Pacquiao was training the next day after he gave blood 20 days before the Clottey bout.
Blood testing technology to date DOES detect PEDS. Read some of the previous articles on here… I’m quite sure a cyclist has now been caught by Blood Testing.
1. boxers are creatures of habit (routine).
2. mayweather habitually talks trash to gain media mileage for his fights.
3. pacquiao trains hard, follows his trainer freddie roach, and takes the advice of his conditioning coach alex ariza every time he prepares for a fight so that he’s in his best shape on fight night.
4. random blood testing disrupts pacquiao’s training routine, and roach has gone on record saying pacquiao’s training regimen shuts down for 3 DAYS every time blood is drawn from him.
5. drawing blood disrupts your natural biorhythm. blood donors are instructed not to do any strenuous activity after giving blood, and are advised to increase fluid intake to recover lost blood.
6. blood testing technology to date DOES NOT detect PEDs.
7. floyd mayweather, his family and his fans are a blustery bunch of blabbering idiots.
jjui…….any steroids can easily be detected through urine analisys no matter how do it. it always come out in your urine.
@RNC
How did I show that? goodgrief asked for the win loss break down for both fighters including Floyd’s amateur record and that is what I did. You then came on asking me to include Pacman’s amateur bouts and I found what I could on that. Someone pointed out that they don’t think the amateur stats I got on Pacman are correct, and I said they may not be. Where in all that am I saying Floyd is better because he has a better record? You all are asking for stuff then when I show you its not how you think it is, you get upset and try to flip it. I’ve said I put Floyd above Manny because I believe he wins the fight between them every time. You all brought up the wins and losses and lost there. You then say Mayweather hasn’t fought top competition, but you think Manny has? On Manny’s OWN wiki page it says manager of WBO super featherweight champion Joan Guzmán called Bob Arum out for ducking fighting his fighter. Hmm I wonder why… Could it be he is undefeated and poses a threat to beating Manny? You try to discount Floyd’s resume, but do you think Manny’s is better? He got KO’d more than once and it was not in his biggest fights. Either both fighters resume’s are thrown out the window or they are counted. If they are counted Floyd wins. If they are not counted Floyd’s style has proven to give Manny problems and he has not fought anyone like that since so I STILL put Floyd ahead. You can call it logical if you want…
Tell it like it is…..who told you that EPO is illegal in the U.S.? Didn’t he came clean to all of his fights? You must be dreaming dude!!wake up.
Mayfeather fans claim pactards are blind to see the truth and are retards but at what point do they sit back for a second and agree on the facts when stated against mayfeather? this is a damn good article and it truly seems unbiased towards any of these fighters. good post!!!!!
Wow…as your name suggests, I’m amazed! All you did there was show that you believe the better record means the better fighter.
As I said earlier, in the last five/six years Floyd has faced monsters such as, erm, DeMarcus Corley, Henry Bruseles, Sharmba Mitchell. A 43-9-6 Carlos Baldomir, a Hatton from light-welter who took rounds off Floyd and a Marquez from lightweight who went the distance.
This is why records can’t always be used the way you are attempting here, no Cotto, Margarito or even Tszyu on his record. Judah, Gatti and Oscar dont make up for all the chaff.
Dollar123……it wasn’t right before the fight. that was 20 days before the fight. i was a little exaggerrated about the evidence. but there’s no circumstancial evidence either in pacquiao’s case. so their demand has no merits whatsoever.
A very well written article, kudos to you mr. lewis. but i’m not sure if mayweather fans will understand this even if this was well constructed and in english, they speak a different language.
@Manong Cebulifer
I stated that was what I came across. The link I read that on is below. If that is incorrect I stand corrected… But then that would make his win/loss ratio what I said it was in my previous post, making it worse.
h t t p://www.philippinecountry.com/philippine_news/year2009/pacquiao_hatton-02-07-09.html
@boksingero
“IF YOU TELL THE WORLD YOU’RE THE BEST THEN YOU WILL FIGHT THIS LITTLE MAN WHETHER YOU THINK HE’S TAKING STEROIDS OR NOT.”
Wow is all I can say to that… I can say “If Pacquiao is the best then he will fight Mayweather whether taking blood weakens him or not.” Wow… it goes 2 ways again…. You all continue to try and word things to benefit Pacquiao like the opposite can’t be said to discredit him.
WOW says:
March 24, 2010 at 10:09 pm
@RNC
I didn’t include Manny’s because I was specifically asked to tally up Floyd’s not his. Here’s what I’ve come across on an amateur record for Manny. “He started boxing and made the Philippines’ national amateur team; his room and board were paid for by the federal government, and he reportedly had 64 amateur fights (60-4)”
Manny 111-7-2. Mayweather 124-6. So Mayweather still has more wins, more fights and has NEVER been knocked out. Do you want to continue to point out Mayweather is the better fighter for me?
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You got your facts wrong! Manny way poor. He couldn’t do amateur! He went to professional at 16 to earn money for food! National Team? Bwahahaha!!! Get your facts straight. Even Wikipedia doesnt say that Manny was an amateur. Manny’s first professional fight was for $2 (100 pesos).
Congratulations again Stevie baby.Now,Esteban,David Lahr and Chris Williams don’t miss this article.He writes fair considering he is a black american.
you idiot gill!! the 10 mill is for both fighters you diad. Its just that theres no way Pac would come in over 147 , he always come in under. And Its just a clause to ensure Mayweather doesnt come in heavy. The other thing to do is cancell the fight. If the person comes in heavy they it can be cancelled or go ahead with a penalty. And knowing Mayweather came in heavy against Marquez and even stated that he wanted wiggle room on the weight to come in heavy against pac, they knew that a 800,000 buck fine would not deter Mayweather from cheating and coming in heavy. Everyone knows hed gladly pay that much for an advantage(and he calls himself money pfftt) so to ensure an even weighted fair fight they put that 10 mill clause for every pound over if the fight is to go ahead. Even mayweather wouldnt spend 30 mill to gain a weight advantage..
you have 13 pints of blood that 1 gal cups.dont try this alone also without carpet as you will guarantee past out,and hit your head backward hard.I hit the grass hard as I tried as another person was trying it,bend down head knee level take 10 or 20 deep breath.hold it and stand up.zzzzz kaboom no choice I had a bump on back of my head,2 other friend pass-out. other guys tryed it never fails.again alone hit your head that hard on cement or a table your head is fatal,no control.
If you would like I can submit a website which proves pacquio is hiding something and that it hasnt effected him in previous fights nor does it weaken him and here is proof. First he says not the day of the fight then he says not within 14 days until the fight. But before he fought eric morales he did blood testing a few days before the fight when he knew he was clean. He did not have blood testing on the day of testing, he knows how long the steroids take to cycle out of his system and so does freddie roach so they try to make an excuse that it makes him weak
@RNC
I didn’t include Manny’s because I was specifically asked to tally up Floyd’s not his. Here’s what I’ve come across on an amateur record for Manny. “He started boxing and made the Philippines’ national amateur team; his room and board were paid for by the federal government, and he reportedly had 64 amateur fights (60-4)”
Manny 111-7-2. Mayweather 124-6. So Mayweather still has more wins, more fights and has NEVER been knocked out. Do you want to continue to point out Mayweather is the better fighter for me?
As for the Manny vs. Clottey details, no I do not have a link. But the “lack of” a document saying he imposed the weight penalty on Clottey would be the same as the “lack of” evidence Mayweather has on Manny using PEDS right? So if you have no reason to believe Manny is a PED user I have no reason to believe he imposed the weight penalty on Clottey, a KNOWN REPEATED offender. Goes two ways buddy. But keep on trying to make excuses, I love to hear how many you can make.
Tell It Like It Is
So you are saying that most of these enhancing drugs are from phillipine and yet only one philipino is dominating? GTFOH!
He called Manny a freaking “one dimensional” and yet he freakin lost his balls somehow. Pathetic! Get in the ring and this little philipino dude Floyd, stop hing all these nonsense excuse.
@mr sweetsci and wowzabean. the 10 mil per pound over 147 only applies to Mayweather. If Pac comes in over 147 he doesn’t have to pay nothing. Mayweather would get penalized but Pac wouldn’t
but its allso true floyd lost 6 times as amateur.
Pactards, drugs, PEDS, HGO, EPO substances are not legal in the US. I know anything goes in the Philipines as well as Kzakistan, but you must comply to fight in America.
Come on Pacquiao, prove that you are clean and get in the ring with Mayweather! He called you a dumb 1 dimensional fighter!
I know I would be getting in there protecting my namesake and my families namesake…I’m just sayin!
mr.sweetsci,All law enforcement needs is circumstantial evidence
that’s not important either way .I am one of those people that hate getting blood drawn.I know people that get dizzy feel tired
and a host of other things.Manny took a blood test right before the Clottey fight and as reported on this site and others Pacquiao had one of his best workouts the day after.The test didn’t look for any enhancement drugs.
no he right pac has no armature fights he started in pro,which is rare maybe just street fighting,ha,
WOW…..why include Floyd’s amateur record but not Pac’s? A bit like your hero don’t you think, always after the upper hand.
You got my link yet?
Epic Fail:
You’re a licensed pharmacist. You dispense drugs. You don’t take blood.
And it’s just a KNOWN FACT that in every sport, players are creatures of habit. They are religious about routine and not disrupting it. But unlike say, baseball, your opponent’s main objective in boxing is to hurt you and make sure you don’t get up.
BTW, I pick Mayweather to win by decision if they were to meet, so I’m no Pac Fan. But the disrespect and attempt to gain a mental edge is as obvious as it gets.
Furthermore, Pacquiao doesn’t have the tell-tale signs of a steroids user… there’s no acne on his face or his back. And if he was on steroids, he’d have roid rage. Instead, he was playful and smiling during the Clottey fight even though he was frustrated as hell.
And I remind you all: Mayweather’s used steroids in the past. That hand cream he used allows a fighter to punch harder, longer. Mayweather has cheated before and admitted to it. Pacquiao is innocent until proven guilty. These are just the FACTS.
this writer have a lot of bs in his mind!he posted an aricle then read it after!stfu!i don’t know about this guy!he maybe just another gbp attack dog and on his payroll!this article is insane!i didn’t even bother to finish it!
That’s exactly the thoughts of many Mr. Lewis. Jarrad Woods is playing the fiddle for those who are below average in thinking. Those who buy because it sounded good instead of understanding the product that they are buying.
anonymous you have a point…. if mayweather want a change of procedure on the existing one….he should go straight and make his request on the proper authorities(Nevada athletic com.).
Thats the proper way to do it. definitely there will be no problem to pacquiao’s camp If mayweather did it the right way.
Bottomline RESPECT is the main word.
Mosely can’t even beat Cotto and you’re commenting that kind of crap? Pathetic!
Tell It Like It Is
You are now the most idiot fan of all!
If Mosely fought Pacuiao 10 straight fights, he would KO Pacquiao 10 straight times!!!
Man all you Floydnuthuggers are pathetic!
If Floyd really wanted to fight, he’ll not going to bring this olympic drug testing crap! Freakin Floydie is scared! Why can’t you all nuthuggers accept that? Pathetic!
dont holding a w.w.belt count for anything,manny has a belt flody gave up his in retirement,so why is the Challenger so choosy when manny gave floyd a cut in line chance to have the belt?
in the end holding the belt get recorded and manny has defended the belt to cottey.
Pacquiao’s refusal to agree to Mayweather’s terms has everything to do with respect. Mayweather has said that he is the face of boxing (sorry, but Pacquiao is at the moment) and that all roads lead to him. True or not, you don’t get to change the rules as a fighter. However, for the time being, Manny Pacquiao is the face of boxing. So why would he yield to Mayweather’s demand? If Pacquiao never faces Mayweather, his 7 titles will still be there. Mayweather is undefeated, but Pacquiao’s 7 is more impressive than Mayweather’s 0.
Both are submitted to the weight requirement gill.
@wowzabean
Actually its 2. One draw with Agapito Sánchez on 2001-11-10 and one draw with Juan Manuel Márquez on 2004-05-08.
@Dollar123
Last I checked, Bernard Hopkins said his mom made him promise he would not fight a day over 40.
Sorry moms, but someone’s gotta pay the property taxes on the house I bought you, and it damn sure isn’t going to be you!
Funny how that stuff works out.
…ryan
gill……everything that’s in the contract are subject to both fighters. that’s why they acn accept it or reject it.
@goodgrief
Wait wait let me fix my numbers.. For every 18 fights Manny had he lost, not was knocked out. Its for every 28 fights he’s been knocked out. But thats way better than Floyd’s right? Is that what you were trying to prove?
@WOW
I want to hear you admit that Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather will live on in infamy as two of the best fighters the sport ever produced. I want you to stop being so biased against Pacquiao, and so blindly supportive of Mayweather.
Give both these guys propers so you can continue your debates with a little more credibility. It’s ridiculous to deny that one or the other of them are not fantastic at what they do.
…ryan
@mr sweetsci. Where did you see that both fighters are subject to the 10 mil penalty?
I agree with you. Pacquiao is the champion and Mayweather is the challenger. Theres no way the Pacquiao would bow down to Mayweather’s demand. Boxing rules and regulations are governed by the State Boxing Commission and not by a mere challenger. If the commission adopts random blood testing then Manny Pacquaio will abide by it. Simple as that. What has Mayweather brought to boxing this days, nothing but his loud mouth. Manny Pacquiao has revived back the excitement in boxing today as well as the money in it. Every boxer wants to challenge Pacquiao in the ring, so that they can recieved the biggest paycheck in their career. That’s Manny Pacquiao.
He’s only had 1 draw….but you would know that right?
Southpaw Truth…….this blood testing issue surfaced after all everything is settled. the ring size, glove, even the venue of the fight. after the venue is settled, here comes the drug testing issue. manny agreed to unlimited urine testing and 3 random blood testing but only 24 days before the fight.
@goodgrief
You want me to post that Floyd is 84-6 in his amateur career and 40-0 in his professional career totaling 124-6, all decision losses?
Manny is 51-3-2 total, 2 losses by KO.
So Floyd has 73 more wins, 3 more losses and Manny has 2 more draws. Are you trying to prove something? Are you trying to prove for every 21 fights Floyd had he lost a decision and for every 18 fights Manny had he got Knocked Out? Ha
Roach said that if the authorized Boxing Commission called for the blood test then they’ll abide by it. They just couldn’t stand the idea that their opponent will dictate the terms. I definitely agree to their position because if they give inree to any term that Floyd would dictate there will be no end to what he’ll dictate next and Floyd is capable of behaving that way. Why don’t the Nevada Commission impose the blood testing already to get this over with? Im sure Manny’s camp will gladly accept it.
Ya, does it matter if you “give in to every single demand” if you don’t intend to fight? It doesn’t. He could have promised Pacquiao that he’d fight w/one hand, if he never intended to get it signed it doesn’t matter.
good grief,
Good points, I’ve said that several times but they’ll never listen.
This is exactly what Mayweather wanted. He wants all the media and fans to turn on eachother, point fingers and blame one another. Divert all the attention back to Mayweather the so called face of boxing. But more like the shame of boxing. Only one way to solve this all and thats fight in the ring just like the way all the other professional boxers have done it. Through NSAC. PERIOD! Mayweather can talk all he wants but if he doesn’t get through Mosely then Mayweather was never ready for Manny.
Dollar123…….the only PEDs tested that lasts up to 2 weeks is EPO. EPO by the way can only give you endurance. it won’t make you bullet proof or can give you extra power. anabolic steroid on the other hand can give you extra power. steroid can easily detected trhough urine testing.
your analogy of murder suspect is a little bit off. before the police can take you to do the polygraph testing they need substansial evedence. do you have enough evedence to prove that pacquiao is on PEDs?
@B ROCK. You’re in such denial. Do you mean to tell me that reading something written and you don’t know who said it is more creditable than watching and hearing Manny saying it from his own mouth?WOOOOOOOOOOW! I see a lot of people comment all the time saying that Floyd fans are brained washed because they tend to believe that Manny is on something because Floyd said so. I think he’s on something because he won’t prove that he’s not and he gives excuses as to why he won’t take the blood test randomly. B ROCK IF YOU’RE NOT BRAIN WASHED THEN YOU’RE DAMN SURE CLOSE TO IT!
Furthermore, to prove how arbitrary these dates were, let me tell you where the 30, 24 and 14 days came from, and how “scientific” they were…
1. The 30-day cut-off was the original counter offer from Team Pacquiao. It was rejected.
2. The 14-day cut-off was chosen because Team Mayweather (as bright as they are) saw that on the Hatton-Pacquiao 24/7 episodes on HBO, that 14-days before that fight, Manny had his blood taken.
3. But it turns out that is not a live show, as cool as that would be, and in fact it was the episode’s AIR DATE that was 14 days, while the actual EXAM in real-world time (not documentary air-date time) was in fact 24 days.
4. Manny said fine, we’ll do 24 days, you caught me!
5. Floyd said no. Negotiations ended then and there. Manny WAS negotiating the testing, even though he didn’t want ANY blood taken from his body, but the counters were never amenable to Floyd.
So basically, not only is the 14 day number contrary to the point of USADA testing as a whole, the damn number is as arbitrary as a misinterpreted Pacquiao exam date showed in a HBO episode.
…ryan
this writer is an idiot and has no idea whats hes talking about.
Look mayweather wanted bloodtesting since day one of negotiations but suddenly after pacquaio for some reason had a problem with drug testing mayweather tried to compromise for the good of the sport n did 14 days but no pacquiao wanted 24 days before. There is no point to do 24 days before the fight because you can still use PEDs and cycle them out of your system before the fight. You cannot do this effectivley with only 14 days before you idiot.
This is logical. The 14 window defeats the purpose of Floyd’s argument. Do you think USADA would agree to a 14 day cut off for an athlete before the competition? Hell no, that renders it pointless. It only exposes the paper-thin mind trick the testing was meant to effect.
However, as I stated before, Floyd is exposing a weakness in the system, which is more productive than any of his antics by a long shot.
Furthermore, if Manny WERE guilty of PED’s and felt he had to hide this fact from his fans and the world, the very first thing he would do is AGREE to prove his “innocence” by taking the tests. It would be a guaranteed way to clear him of any suspicion, and allow him to keep his legacy.
By REFUSING the test, he knew it would raise suspicion, but his Filipino pride stood in front of appeasing the masses, so here we are lamenting a fight that didn’t take place.
Logic and motive, those two ingredients can bake you just about any cake you want to make when making an argument for argument’s sake.
I’m an idiot. So sue me. (Manny? No! Just kidding).
…ryan
Tweezy, Let’s not forget what belt they’re fighting for. It’s Pacquiao’s..and if you haven’t heard, Mayweather’s camp had a ish load more of demands all accepted by Pac.
@ epic fail
i was trying to make argument on “wow” statistical comment. My points is “man will set his mind to what the man wanted to see”.
Point of view against point of view of others.
epic fail……physically no. but psychologically? i would say yes. a lot of people, not only pacquiao that doesn’t like drawing their blood at all. only if they have to. blood testing method is not the only available drug testing method in the world. there are some alternatives. and you can get identical result.
I will make it simple for all simpletons,having a full 2 weeks to get the benefits of PED’s is essential to gain the desired results.Then Manny would have a full 10 days to mask the drugs.That’s why giving into 24 days makes no sense.When you have a cutoff date of 2 weeks it negates the PED usefulness because your body hasn’t had the time to apply all the artificial nutrients.If Manny would be dumb enough to use it there wouldn’t be enough time to confidentially say you will pass a test.Did i believe Pac is dirty? Not at first….i thought roger was crazy.The way he has been reluctant to take true random blood and urine test has left me feeling suspicious of his recent ability to take a punch and hurt bigger guys with every shot.Some would say Floyd is scared why else would he ask Manny to do something never asked of his past opponents.I say to that Manny is doing something never done before and Floyd thinks he is dirty.This is the court of public opinion and the burden of proof is lower.Look at it this way,police suspect you of murder and they ask you to take a polygraph test.The test is inadmissible but it’s a indicator
of truthfulness.All Manny had to do was take the test,get in the ring right before the bell rang say to Floyd
” I am clean and you are afraid of me” now i will kick your as..s!!! Sought of like what Tarver did to Roy instead he talks retirement even going as low to bring his mother in.
I see a clear duck if he doesn’t fight Floyd!!
As far as the 14-day window, it has been stated by many doctors that it takes approximately 14 days to flush some PED’s out of your system. Other’s have stated that it can take from 18-21 days to fully leave the system. That is where the 14 day window comes from as far as the Mayweather camp.
I do believe that it was a smart move by the Mayweathers. Just look at some of the fighters who got caught using PED’s that didn’t show up in the urinalysis test before a fight but showed up after. (Toney, Chavez, Vargas etc.), and let’s not forget Mosley where his was never detected but he admitted in front of a grand jury that he used and injected himself with PED’s and claimed that he didn’t know what they were.
So even if the speculation about Pacquiao is wrong or down the road can be proven right, the 14 day window for “random” blood and urine olympic style testing is very appropriate if you really want to catch someone “cheating”.
If the fight happens, it will be very entertaining based on styles. An agressive fighter such as Mr. Pacquiao has the perfect ingredient for a counter puncher, the best accurate puncher in the game per compubox who is Mr. Mayweather. Pacquaio’s offense is his defense, and if the aggressiveness doesn’t work, then there has to be a Plan B, and I don’t want anyone to take offense to this but honestly, Mr. Pacquaio can’t “OUTBOX” Mr. Mayweather period.
@ wow
Where are you dude?
I want you to make the statistics of floyd jr amateur + professional records wins and losses put it up against Manny pacman pacquiao records wins and losses.Number do not lies.
whats the statistic result?
epic fail….then whats the use of insisting 14 days if it it doesn’t make any diffedence?
@goodgrief
you are a dumbass…what you’re asking is not even relevant with your orginal argument…smh
@sweets
being a licensed pharmacist i find it very hard to believe that 5ml of blood is going to slow you down 24 14 10 3 days out…it wouldn’t even slow you down it they took it between rounds…haha…not a good argument but that’s jus from my experience with my knowledge of blood being drawn
@ wow
Where are you dude?
I want you to make the statistics of floyd jr amateur + professional records wins and losses up against Manny pacman pacquiao records wins and losses.Number do not lies.
@mr sweetsci. What is your point? Is there a difference between BLOOD TEST AND URINE TEST? Obviously Manny thinks so. I don’t care if you think there’s no difference between the two or not, Manny not taking a BLOOD TEST after the fight when there’s no reason not to because the FIGHT WOULD BE OVER and there’s no reason to fear getting weak, let’s me know that Manny feels there is a difference.I don’t care who tells him that he can’t get caught with BLOOD TEST, Manny feels he can so he’s not willing to take the BLOOD TEST AFTER THE FIGHT even though his reason for not taking it would no longer be valid because the fight would be over. IT’S LIKE ME TELLING YOU THAT MY DOG WON’T BITE YOU. IF YOU FEEL LIKE MY DOG WILL BITE YOU THEN YOU WOULDN’T COME NEAR HIM NO MATTER WHAT NO ONE SAYS!
epic fail…..both fighters are subjected to both drug testing. i acn tell you that 14 day or 24 day window does not make any difference. the reason why manny asked for 24 day is that he needs more time to recuperate the blood drawing. he also agree to random blood testing but not 24 days before the fight.
I hope this fight does not happen. MP has nothing more to prove. He may fight Mosley who I think is worthy than FMJ. Or he could just retire. FMJ can talk as much as he wants to, because that does not make legacies, fighting the greats does… =)
From what i remember FLOYD had called out SHANE twice, when FLOYD and shane were at lightweight and another time, but shane DUCKED MAYWEather. It was only after MONEY beat ODLH that SHANE wanted to fight mONEY. and why not you know it’s true that PAC did duck SHANE way hard. Get your Facts straight DAWILDGAL. look it up SHANE DUCKED MONEY TWICE. And what quesstion were you talking about? PAC ducks elite competition, he never even stayed at a weightclass to defend or unify his titles, hahaha you know why he didnt unify them? because he couldnt he DUCKED JMM and then went on to fight david diaz ( TOP RANK FIGHTER ) plus the weakest champ at lightweight. PAC wont figh MONEY bacause he is scared of him, he will fight another JC and sell under 1mil ppv. Why do peolpe put the blame on MONEY when it was PAC who caused the fight to fall through, plus i’m sure if PAC could he would have MONEY come in at a catchweight. If PAC doesnt wanna give in to such a simple demand then he should drop his and the fight will go on, but untill then he will continue to duck elite competition, and whats this now that MARG was exposed PAC wants to fight him? hahahah i rememeber when PAC beat ODLH and MARG wanted to fight him PAC and his team said no!! wow PAC reall is brave. NOT. . . ahahahaah
bconste…….all of pacquiao’s demand is within the range of the welterweight limit. the glove, ringsize. the only thing that’s not is the $10 million fine for overweight. i think it’s justified due to the fact that floyd came in overweight in the marquez fight. also they’re fighting in the welterweight limit w/c is floyd’s natural weight. it’s already an advantage for floyd. i also don’t thing that manny will weight 147 lbs at the weigh in. bottom line…floyd already has the advantage at welterweight over manny.
Its obvious you havent seen it you keep blabbering, its an interview of Floyd by Jamie Foxx.
Pacquiao aint takeing steriods!! You see how one idiot can say something about a person and have the whole world believing it. Just because this scared boxer in mayweather is so afraid of manny and accuses him of steriods even though manny has never been linked to or EVER failed a test yall should believe Mayweather. Really a fighter who has ducked the best all of his career. And he sees pacman beating guys he wouldnt even step in the ring with so he says stuff like that. The whole worlds perspective on Pacquiao was changed because one guy said so. Shame on all of yall!
@SweetSciFi
you bring up a good point that the $10M penalty would be subject to both fighters…I didn’t know that; however, do Pac realise that the PED testing will be subject to both fighters as well…by the way i do know what difference is i prolly got ahead of myself typing…
@ GILL:
You can believe what you hear from Kimmel’s show all you want. I say go to ESPN and other sports sources, and you will see that Pac had always agreed to blood testing after the actual fight.
Steve, your analysis makes one of the most sense among all boxing writers piece on the Money vs Manny debacle. Wow, even Bert Sugar or other so-called boxing experts didn’t think or at least write about this.
This is the best compromise to make this fight happen:
Manny to submit himself for a random blood testing up to the day of the fight – to make sure he is clean of PEDS
Floyd have to take a random psychological test – to make sure he is in a stable mind to fight.
epic fail…….that $10 million fine is subjected to both fighters.
@ lex_fugitive
You have good facts on how pointless to take PEDs for only a week, while taking them for long periods, can reap huge benefits and mayweather jr was willing to allow Manny an extremely small extra edge to get the fight!!! as you said.
But my argument Why would a boxer will still risk taking PEDs or steroid or other illegal enchancer when there additional Blood testing for that type of drugs?It more pointless to take those drugs because you can get caught.Even though you can flush them out.Still risky.That why pacquiao camp wants winner take all.
even with random blood testing.It means pacman is clean and they wanna risk all.If they get caught floyd will take all what pacman gets even if pacman win the fight.
epic fail…have you ever seen pacquiao tested positive of any PEDs? i will ask you the same question. do you know the difference between a drug testing and blood testing?
people keep arguing about this topic but they can’t support their claims with facts.
gill….can you tell me the difference between a drug test and a blood test? if you don’t know anything about drug testing please just drop your argument.
I’ve watched that interview more than once, and it doesn’t give any reason to think Floyd is afraid of Manny. I like a lot of fighters, Manny is one of them, but Floyd is a BOXER. He is in a class of his own. He is untouchable, almost literally. That’s why they call him Pretty Boy, cuz he looks the same before and after every fight. No bumps, no bruises. To some, that may be a boring defensive style, but to me, it shows exactly what boxing should be. He has it down to a science. Thats why he’ll beat Shane. (who I also like) And don’t forget that Floyd called Shane out before Shane fought Oscar. Then when Floyd became the best in the sport, Shane wanted to fight him. By then, Shane wasn’t a big draw. Now we will all see how great Floyd really is. Shane is a great boxer, and he has power, and Floyd taking this fight proves that he isn’t afraid of anyone. After he beats Mosley, he’ll make an example out of Pacquiao. And seriously, whats with saying Floydie, and Duckweather, and Pacroid, and Pactard. All of that sh sound really stupid, and I’m sick of reading it. You people sound like 8 year olds.
@epic fail
Its proof that Floyd is scared to fight the Pacman and never will.
science…..steroids can easily detected through urine analysis. manny agreed to unlimited/random urine testing. i think the author is right about his assumption.
The Mayweather’s camp said that the PED/HGH could be flush in 24 hours. What’s the point then that they were asking for 14 days? If it could be flush within 24 hours there’s no difference between 24 & 14 days before the fight. It’s just too obvious that Mayweather is ducking/scared to fight Pacquiao.
@notafloydfan
even if we watch whatever the hell you’re talking about…we’ve watched enough true boxing to know that Floyd will woop pac’s punk asss…lol
@DaWildGal and Southside Fighter
Since you somehow missed the comments posted on here addressing your question let me say it again. You need MORE than a week or so to use PEDS and get a noticeable gain. So even though he wanted no cut off he and any other educated person would figure that even if he did juice in the 14 day window, it wouldn’t have that big of an effect. He COMPROMISED his request to drop it to 14 days since Pacquiao is “weakened” by blood taken close to the fight. You see that? He took his request and MODIFIED it so he could still make the fight happen. When he did this and it made sense to the educated public Manny and Arum said fk it 24 days or nothing. Mayweather then said I’ll COMPROMISE to 14 days or nothing at all. Arum and Pacquiao thought they could bully Mayweather into doing exactly what they wanted. Backfired. Crazy how pacfans can flip any situation to discredit Mayweather and uplift Pacquiao.
So to answer your question in a shorter statement than above… 14 days ISNT meaningless when you EDUCATE yourself on certain PED use and how it works in the body. It would reap minimal benefits and it was a final effort by Mayweather to still keep the fight going, but insure they would be as clean as possible for the fight.
Fans of Floyd Mayweather Jr must watch jamie foxx Mayweather on youtube and see how scared their idol is of Pacquiao.
Great points, Steve Lewis. It remains to be seen whether his rhetoric is intended to increase his pay check once he DOES take the fight, or if he truly is a afraid of honoring his intrinsic materialistic nature by ducking a 50 million dollar fight. Either way it’s sheer hypocrisy.
so-called fighter of the has loss three different times right? Is a lesser draw to the sport of boxing right? If you’re not sure a lot of fighters have indeed experienced their biggest paydays (ppv) via fighting Mayweather…JMM, Hatton, De la Hoya and next in line Mosley. Pac can experience the same blessings if and only if he subject himself to ramdom PEDs testing…lol…Knowing Pac his momma will call ‘em home before h
@ B-Rock
Pac in fact came in over weight right? Thanks for your cooperation…lol…whats good for the goose is not good for the gander?…Epic Fail.
Floyd needs to fight the best fighter of the decade and not the other way around. Floyd has to give and do what it takes to get in the ring with the best and reclaim the crown!
The reason why Mayweather asked for 14 as opposed to settling for 24 is OBVIOUS if you understand the chemical nature of steroids. Mosley accepting this makes Manny look like the one doing the posturing. No matter what you guys say, I feel like it’s suspect that Manny could not come to accept those terms, whether he’s on the juice or not. Love or hate either fighter, I don’t care, I’m more into the middleweights…but the FACT that Team Manny asked for so much more that Mayweather agreed to and still couldn’t come to terms on the subject of roids is STRANGE.
@B Rock stop making excuses for Pac. Pac knew the differnce between blood and urine. He may not know alot of things but he knew that because Pac said that he would take a bloodtest 24 days before the fight and another DRUG test after the fight and Jimmy said but the test after the fight isn’t a blood test though is it? And Pac said no it’s a urine test. Pac tried to throw people off by just calling it a DRUG test and not saying what kind of drug test. You want me to go read an article when alot of these writers never have the right information but just disregard the words coming directly from his mouth. If it was always a blood test then how would Jimmy even know to ask him that if it was always understood to be a blood test? If he got it right in the articles you say, then why could he not get it right on the show? Just because he said Pacman was his dog doesn’t nean that he doesn’t know English. That just means he’s not familiar with the GAME,PACMAN. Pac fans will always make excuses for him no matter what. HE SAID HIMSELF IT’S NOT A BLOOD TEST AND BECAUSE YOU LOVE HIM SO MUCH THAT YOU SAY HE DOESN’T UNDERSTAND! THAT’S A DAMN SHAME
@ Boconste…
you’re trying to reason with a village idiot on that issue…there’s not going to be a response outside of Floyd acts like he’s running the planet and we don’t have to do what he want us to do…lol…Epic Fail
@ Epic fail:
Manny once couldn’t make weight…at 112! But other than that, he was fighting a guy who was 111.
But Floyd, he was a welterweight fighting a lightweight to begin with (a lightweight who just recently moved up from super featherweight). And even then, he has to fail to make weight against the guy coming up 2-3 classes up.
So $10M penalty? Hell yeah. he ain’t buying himself an advantage.
@ Nah…lol
Flody has Mosley who is more of a feared fighter than Pacroid. The election is an excuse just the same as using your damn momma to get out of the fight…lol Manny=Epic Fail
@ Bconste:
Still didn’t answer my question. You’re going off on these other side issues, but you’re not addressing what’s being asked.
@ Jon Dumas
what in hell are you talking about…lol…you sound like you buy drugs from Floyd Sr during the crack epidemic of the 80s…lol
The money is going to be there win, lose or draw. Step up and give the fans what we’re looking for and stop all of this mommy want me home, i’m afraid of needles and giving blood for PED test (excluding HIV, HBV,…etc.) will make me weak as a fighter.
It’s hard to get two guys to fight when one (Pac) is too scared to step in the ring clean.
So should Pac be subject to the same $10M fine sense he has a history of coming in over weight as well on more than one occasion? some ppl don’t see the double standard that Team Pac are making. It’s jus a ploy to avoid fighting the best.
Paquiao has to move on and find another fighter when negotiations with Floyd failed because he has an ‘election’ to attend to. He has so much going on in his life other than boxing that he couldn’t waste time to wait on Floyd. He doesn’t need, Floyd floyd needs him.
seriously Pac and Mayweather just have to fight, just get it done. If they don´t boxing will be hurt big time, it´s so ridiculous that we even have to continue talking about this. In no other sport would this happen, it´s unthinkable that the fight couldn´t be made and after shane/floyd it has to happen, no matter what. it´s just old at this point.
@dawildgal
Yeah it is fishy, oh and do you remember PAC only wanted about 3 blood tests and he wanted to know in advanced when he was to be tested, so yeah thats fishy, whats wrong with random blood tests? If youre not hiding anything it shuold be no problem.
And who does PAC think he is, he is not dealing with a top rank fighter so he cant dictate the terms, he must have gotten a big head when he was able to dictate the terms to the fight with COTTO. You know PAC just threw the hefty fine as a power PLAY, he knows he can’t beat money. IF Floyd really did not wanna fight him he would have walked away the minute pAC Started making demands. Money did that to JMM to pretty much tell PAC that if he wanted to fight him their would be not catchweight. and if PAC can drain a fighter by 2 pounds why not let MONEY come in 2 pounds heavier if PAC does not wanna take the TESTS. If PAC doesnt wanna negotiate with MONEY then he should drop his demands and stop being scared of MONEY.
And also, don’t use Pacquiao and ducking Shane in the same sentence, then have the gall to say Floyd is now facing shane (after years of ducking him).
Floyd was forced into fighting Shane because Manny dropped him for Clottey. The only other available welterweight that could top that was Shane. So if it wasn’t for that, Floyd wouldn’t have been facing Shane.
Even Shane sees that.
The problem with Floyd is that he couldn’t accept that another boxer, a smaller one at that, is better than him. That is why he came up with the speculation that something must not be right. Yes, something is not right, and it’s all in the mind of Floyd. He doesn’t have the brain to understand it all so what he should have done was consult the experts on this matter and not just rely on his own knowledge because he doesn’t have enough of that.
@ Bconste:
What is so ridiculous about asking Floyd to make sure he didn’t go overweight like he did against Marquez? Floyd essentially bought himself an extra couple of pounds against someone who was already at a size disadvantage.
Pac agreed to blood testing. But Floyd said he wanted random testing up until the day of the fight, knowing that Pac is not down with that.
Again, you can say fishy all you want, how does 14 days solve Floyd’s concerns? It doesn’t. So he was just BSing that entire time.
B-Rock,
Yea. In Kimmel he said urine, but I’m sure he didn’t know wtf Kimmel was saying. It was blood ever since negotiations, but it doesn’t matter now. If negotiations resume, then we’ll see how it goes.
@dawildgal
It seemed from the begining that PAC did not wanna fight FLOYD since he started making demands off the bat so that he would not have to fight MONEY. PAC was the first to ask for Gloves and weight penalty, because he was afraid of fighting FLOYD. and those 2 demands would only benefit PAC, but MONEY MADE the random drug testing that “BOTH” fighters would have to go through, which is of no advantage to either fighter, but PAC was quick to walk away from the fight when the tests were random, hmmm that smells pretty fishy, is PAC hiding something since he was willing to walk away from a fight with money, was PAC afraid of having to fight MONEY fairly?? hmmm i wonder. MONEY gae into PAC’s ridiculus demands first goes to show that MONEY Was willing to fight PAC, but PAC was not. PAC walked away from the fight, and now MONEY is fighting the MAN that PAC ducked even when SHANE was willing to come down to 143, oh and by the way MONEY is fighting shane without a catchweight. so it’s still funny to hear people say that MONEY is afraid of PAC when money is fighting the MAN PAC is scared of.
@ GILL:
Dude, Manny can’t understand English that well. When Kimmel asked him if he knew what “Pacman” was, he said it was his dog, alright?
Go look at the old articles around the time of negotiations. Manny agreed to blood and urine testing right before the kick-off press conference, one 30 days before the fight, and one right after the fight.
Look at the sports media reports, not some late night talk show.
@B ROCK how can you tell me to do my homework when you didn’t do yours? Youtube Pacquio on the Jimmy Kimmel Show and you will see where Jimmy asked him if test after the fight is a blood test and Pac said no it’s a urine test. Check it out then hit me back. The proofs in the pudding
A catchweight fights before was not even an issue. Sugar Ray Leonard, Palvik-Taylor, Hopkins-De la Hoya. A lot of fights were fought at cathweights but nobody make this whole thing an issue until Pacquiao came. Idiots can just accept an small asian fighters was able to dominate different weight divisions especially now he was Fighter of Decade, #1 P4P king. You have to accept it that’s fact and nothing you could do about it.
@ BOB:
Floyd didn’t have to use catchweights because he fought 2nd rate ham-n-eggers & ducking the top guys.
So what did you expect Manny to do against Oscar? Climb up 4 weifght classes to meet him? You kidding? They gotta meet somewhere in the middle.
And even then, people said Oscar would kill Manny. But now, you’re Monday Morining quarterbacking.
That didn’t even make sense.
save the b.s fact is this fight will not happen unless blood test are in effect which mighthappen by the commission if not it wont happen at all…and now if floyd doubles pac selling then a 50/50 split cant happen and pac wont settle for anything else theres to much problems here and people will argue until november lol im not if the fight happens it happens arguing everyday isnt going to change what happen or what will happen
@ Bconste:
Manny was ready to fight Floyd, until Floyd hit the brakes and asked for USADA blood testing. So who got scared there?
And if Cotto couldn’t come in 1 pound under what he came in at against Clottey, then he has bigger problems.
The difference is that Cotto didn’t have to agree. Pac didn’t agree, so he said, “F You Floyd. Go F yourself.” Cotto could have done that too. But he didn’t. See, Pac can afford to walk away from it all.
Ohh!!!! the issue is blood…so who will be dehydrated with blood. Is it sweet to drink the blood of Floyd or Manny? Blood after all makes life.
You ppl continue 2 say mayweather takes on smaller guys… n that Pac only use catch-weights to even the playing field (JUST AS HE USES HGH TO DO THE SAME). Well 1st off their should be no evening of the playing field when your fighting for some1 elses WW belt, such as the case w/the Cotto fight! If you gonna fight WW’s in their division then that’s what you shoud fight not weakened fighters (besides isn’t that what he say the blood test will do to him but he doesn’t mind it happening to his opponents)… and as for Mayweather fighting smaller guys, well please name them because the only 1 I can think of is Marquez. Ricky Hatton walks around @160, did you see the fight? If so then you no that size was about equal. And all of his other fights coming up through the ranks he was always the smaller guy, yet he never put any catch-wt clauses in his contract, even when D-hoya fought him @his natural wt of 154. Can Pac say the same?
DaWildGal actually I probably will, but right after you get your drawers out of a knot and breath for us.
people are funny
fact is manny had come voer weight more then floyd has and on the actual weight class limits…floyd has only came in overweight on a catch weight…he has never came over on a welter weight fight…so he has a hsitory of comming over weight dosnt really mean anything becuase it was a catch weight not the real welter weight limit..and if you say well he did it once he can do it again then you should be saying that to pac for doing it more then once…and as for the 14days…it was A COMPROMISE TO MAKE THE FIGHT he wants it all the way up to the fight but he wanted the fight mainly for the money but whocares what his reasoning is the fact is he wanted the fight becuase if you didnt want a fight you wouldnt compromise and then signed that contract of a 14day cutoff if you really didnt wnat this fight and wanted an excuse to walk out…if that was the case he could of walked out for demanding a bigger share for ppv ..like come on people these are two grown men who been in so many fights they arent scared of eachother but i do believe arum dosnt wantpac to fight becuase he has so much to lose..because floyd gets to talk st the whole time get like 60mil from the fight and then if he beats pac he fd up his money and is on top again ..im sure pac would fight floyd but he cant unless arum makes it happen
Southside Fighter..sorry bro.
@ tweezy316
A welterweight boxer weighs in greater than 140 pounds (63.5 kilos), but not greater than 147 pounds (66.7kilos).
At 144 lbs about mid of 140-147.It still legit weight. the catchweight to test if pacquaio can really fight at welterweight
any welter fights at 141 lbs still deserve a welter championship match or title. do not limit it at max weight 147.
@ WOW:
So does that mean you’ll go back to coddling your insecure reluctant idol, mr. Mayweather? Homeboy needs a hug.
@WOW:
The part with Mr. Kizer is not an inside source anymore. It was the truth. I’ve seen the actual video interview of this.
So if 2 pounds make a difference then PAC had a big advantage over COTTO when he fought, because he had to come in at 145. Speaking of which, why was PAC dictating the negotiations during the COTTO fight, PAC was not the CHAMP so why did he Dictate things. If PAC the challenger at the time can dictate things then why should MAYWEATHEr not be able too. PAC is scared of MONEY MAY. Plain and simple.
@ Wilson:
Read my comments again…all of them. You’ll see I agree w/ the $10M penalty.
What I was asking is why can’t these people explain how the 14 day window addresses Floyd’s concerns?
DaWildGal if it’s not Q-tip, I call it a cotton swab. See thats the problem here, too many people generalize everything. None of us are right, none of us are wrong, we have differences in opinions, one is no more justified than the other. People need to relax, Floyd or Pac isn’t paying no bills for none of us. Relax people.
hey wowzabean being a financial broker just mean your better able to count the times you ‘prep’ for Floyd lol. Dude stop while you’re behind lol.
Southside Fighter..hey moron $10 million penalty is justified because Mayweather cheated on his last fight against Marquez. He never have any intention to make the weight. HE was 2 lbs heavier than the agreed weight. PERIOD. UNDERSTOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DUH
@ WOW:
Man, it doesn’t matter if it’s patented or not. People call any kind of cotton ear cleaners as Q-tips.
See, like Floyd, you like to distract people by going off course. Stay on course, dude, so you can make some sense.
@ GILL:
man, you neesd to do your homework.
Pac said he’d do blood test after the fight, not just urine. C’mon, bro. Get it straight.
DaWildGal actually Q-tips is a trade-marked brand, patented, etc. Other off brands will say Padded Q-tips etc, but not Q-tips. That would be infringement. I didn’t mean to upset you. Well actually I did, let me not lie. But you are my ‘special’ friend, life long pal, football bat glass licking buddy.
See all you guys later, need to go now, but i’ll be back to catch on so i could have a laugh my head off again by these comments!!!Dont miss me, because i already miss myself being here!LOL!
what i find odd is that everybody keeps saying that Pac is willing to take a bloodtest 24 days before the fight and a bloodtest right after the fight. 24 days is more than enough time to cycle and 14 days may not be enough. We are talking 10 extra days not 2 so that makes a big difference. Pac says that taking blood before the fight makes him weak so he’ll take one after the fight so why is it that THE TEST AFTER THE FIGHT IS A URINE TEST AND NOT A BLOOD TEST? If the fight is over then what’s wrong with giving blood? The fight would be over and he still won’t give blood? MAN PLEASE
I’m a financial broker, we use that term all the time. As far as me knowing, I wouldn’t. But you’re the one on his nuts, so you tell me.
@ Boxing247:
LOL so thats what ur response is when you have nothing else to say huh? I love it. Proves my point pretty well.
@ LOS:
Because unlike Mayweather, who takes on smaller guys, Pac uses the catchweights against BIGGER guys. It’s to level the playing field. whereas Floyd uses the opponent’s smaller weight to his physical advantage.
And catchweights have been around longer than demands for PED tesiting.
That’s the difference.
wowzabean dude you are funny lol. How do you know Floyd doesn’t have a big swinging D1ck? I’m just asking cause you said it lmao. Was you his ‘prep’ or ‘pre-fight’ boy lol? Dude, you can’t say something like that and not expect to catch flack from it, i’m sorry, but you left yourself wide open for that.
Actions Speak Louder Then Words
Pacquiao was the only one who SIGNED the contract to fight Floyd…
Amen LOS, your one of the few people who has made sense so far
I’m sorry, any person that thinks one fighter is afraid of the other is just stupid. More so Pacquiao afraid of Floyd, he has nothing to lose, Floyd has more to. Floyd ain’t scared, but he’s definitely apprehensive. He’s already hedging against not making the fight by saying “no 50/50 split, drug testing till fight day!” He won’t fight him because he’s an Asian fighter, and now thinks he’s on something.
The fight will never happen till Floyd realizes he doesn’t have a big swinging d!ck. That will only happen if Mosley beats him, which won’t happen (I think, I’ll root for him though).
tell me why that chump (not champ)pac man doesn’t want to b dictated by a fighter but he can dictate the weights for championship fights ,only to drain and weaken his opp..he doesn’t wanna take blood bcuz it drains and weakens him, f*#$* him,choke coach roach, and their weight demands!!!
OK, so far I’ve seen, “Well, how come you don’t complain about the $10M penalty,” and “24 days worth of PEDs is tougher than 14 days worth,” and “Manny dictates others too.”
But I still haven’t seen a satisfactory answer to the author’s question, “How does the 14-day testing window address Floyd’s alleged concerns?”
DaWildGal actually I don’t use google, I wouldn’t suggest you do either, too much junk returns (which explains why you are so confused). Try Bing instead, more accurate, direct results. See you learned something today. Now, Bing away my ‘special’ friend.
we are consumed with all the hype . what we donot know behind all these drama that unfold is scripted with both promoter were all flushed in a toilet sink arguing “whos the man”. and these two boxers and promoter are the money takers.
So cool down everyone, to elementary takers …we are all grown ups so think reasonably.be you
Everywhere you can find a sales agent. All I think we all buying it. Dammmmmmm.
So take a look the other side of the moon, maybe you can think of something else , and see the whole picture.
manny is just afraid of floyd. so watch arum set manny up with margarito the second floyd bring back up random blood testing.
sf-bay, thats like saying the ‘inside’ sources who had knowledge about pac asking about the penalty if he was to test dirty. Dude, hell, if you and me wanted to be ‘inside’ sources we could, but it don’t hold weight. ‘inside’ sources etc is another name for, you ready? RUMORS.
MOSLEY!!!!
@ WOW:
Don’t you watch ESPN, Friday Nigth Fights? HBO or Showrtime?
Teddy Atlas is the only one I can think of (and Smith of that NY rag) that is riding on Flyod’s jock.
The only ones that hate on Pac are bloggers on the internet and all these pseudo-journalists.
Watch their commentaries and interviews for yourself. I’m sure you can do a Google search.
hijynx that would never work, because Arum/Roach would object and say Pac privacy is being invaded. Or some other lame excuse not to cooperate.
@ WOW:
Floyd changed last minute the contacted weight from 144 to 147 lbs so he won’t be penalized big by the commission w/ 10%. He just give JMM $600K to agree. Below is the real story by ESPN (just google it):
At Mayweather’s request, nobody would speak publicly about the contract weight throughout the promotion that kicked off in early May and continued into the fall when the fight was postponed from July 18 because of a Mayweather rib injury.
However, several sources with direct knowledge of the contract told ESPN.com all along that the contract maximum weight was 144 pounds, three less than the 147-pound welterweight maximum.
But after Friday’s weigh-in, Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer finally addressed the issue, telling ESPN.com, “The fight was contracted as a welterweight fight with an agreed upon weight of 144 pounds. However, there were pre-negotiated weight penalties built in.”
Schaefer would not disclose the dollar figure, but another source with direct knowledge of the contract told ESPN.com that the penalty was $300,000 per pound if either fighter was overweight.
According to the source, the Marquez camp knew Wednesday night that Mayweather would not make weight because Mayweather’s team made overtures to Golden Boy Promotions in an effort to have Marquez agree to change weight on the bout agreements to be filed with the Nevada State Athletic Commission.
However, Marquez’s contract had already been filed reading 144 pounds, according to commission executive director Keith Kizer. But Kizer said the bout agreement was retrieved from the commission by Golden Boy Promotions and changed to 147 with Marquez initialing it.
Mayweather’s contract with 147 pounds was not filed with the commission until minutes before the weigh-in. Kizer said it was supposed to be filed on Wednesday.
Kizer said the Mayweather camp asked to file it Thursday and he said OK, but that deadline also came and went.
“We were very unhappy with the lateness of Mr. Mayweather’s contract,” Kizer said.
Kizer said that had the bout agreements not been changed to 147, Mayweather would have faced a fine from the commission in addition to whatever penalty he had agreed to pay Marquez. For being two pounds overweight, Kizer said the penalty would have been 10 percent of his purse, or $1 million. Had he been three pounds over (147 pounds), the figure would have jumped to a 20 percent fine.
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Eye opener, right? Floyd really intended not to exert effort to meet the 144 limit so he has all the advantage.
Wow!
I wanna start with you bitc#! Yeah thats right, i wanna play around with your head a bit!! U got a problem with that?? By the way you type, you probably think you know it all, dont you? Nah just playin with you! I like reading your comments! It really makes me laugh! Lol thank you man…thanks..
These are the days that Flyo fears the most. Shane is just around the corner and next is Pacquiao. To all Pacquaio fans, please go easy of floyd. Put yourself in his position, you announce to everyone you’re the best, you’ve got brittle hands, brittle mind, brittle reputation….you’re now cornered, how will you react with so much pressures…have compassion my friends….
ALL MAYWEATHER FANS ARE MORONS. You just love to be associated with a no-good-for-nothing arsehole… well, it takes one to know one… just can’t have an educated and rational discussion with you Floyduck fans… you seem to be full of hatred… oh, I know why, you have been abused by your parents… yeah, that’s right.. hmmm
ok i see what the writer is sayin. but as far as comments the only thing i wanna address is what “da truth” said. pacs mom has been asking him to stop boxing way before so even try to say pacs scared.
@ Boxing247
Yes I know they gave that excuse. Thats exactly why I said it, idiot. They also gave about 3 othe excuses too, the first being that Pacquaio was afraid of needles. I mean which one is it? Or is it all of them? Retarded either way. I can understand saying you dont want to let Mayweather dictate the terms of the fight. All of the other excuses are blatantly retarded and reading Pacquaio followers continue to defend them proves that loyal followers will always come up with ways to blame the other side and not look at themselves.
@ Wow:
You make no cents (sense) yourself. You are comparing something where a fighter has been known to fudge the rules to his favor. And you have one who is just baselessly getting accused of something.
One has a basis, the other doesn’t.
Why is that so hard to fathom?
“Most respected journalists & credible boxing writers feel that Floyd is just playing games, that all this talk about cleaning up boxing is just a bunch of smokescreen. If manny was never around, he wouldn’t be concerned about claeaning up the sport” Could you please copy/paste the links to the ‘respected journalist’ please who you strongly feel support your view point? Because I’m equally sure, I can post equally countering post. So until you provide US with your ‘crediable’ sources, i’m throwing the BS flag. Sounds like a challenge to me….
how about hire two people, one trusted person from mayweathers camp and one official from usada that will stay with pacquiao 24/7 that can watch, take unlimited urine sample before pacquiao starts his day and before he goes to sleep and vice versa for mayweather. Since there’s alot of talks about how much money mayweather and pacquiao bout can generate I’m sure they can afford to pay people to do such task for couple of months untill the day of the fight. Now it won’t be intrusive to pacquiao body and there’s no way pacquiao can shoot up anything if the other side is watching and ready to take test at anytime. Same goes for the mayweathers side.
Yeh that’s right Pactard, Pac is scared of Floyd.
Floyd, who in the past 5 years has fought sheer monsters, such as, erm, Henry Bruseles, Sharmba Mitchell, Carlos Baldomir. A Hatton from light-welter who took rounds from Mayweather and a Marquez from lightweight whom he couldn’t stop?
I’m sorry but De La Hoya, Gatti and Judah don’t balance it out.
Yeh I can see Pac is terrified!
@ WOW:
maybe not $10M, but there have been weight penalties before.
But there NEVER has been blood testing demands made in the sport’s history. Maybe for AIDS or STD’s, but not for PEDs.
Pactarded!
You okay there buddy?? Need help or something??
Most respected journalists & credible boxing writers feel that Floyd is just playing games, that all this talk about cleaning up boxing is just a bunch of smokescreen. If manny was never around, he wouldn’t be concerned about claeaning up the sport.
DaWildGal, no one in the history of boxing has ever demanded a 10 million per pound over either. If you are going to complain about one, complain about them both!
PAC is either afraid of the real P4P KIng MONEY MAYWEATHER or he is hiding something by not taking the tests. MONEY wanted to have random testing all the way to the fight, but when PAC was acting he decided to give him 14 days, but that was not good enought for PAC so he walked away because he could not get all the advantages or dictate the fight the way he did against COTTO. hahaha. Man up PAC and fight MONEY on a level playing field.
Lewis,
You said it best, and I’ve repeated the idea several times. Nothing but posturing and circumspect rhetoric. He doesn’t even know what he wants. He got caught up in mind games and now has to push a non issue into some “revolution” that he is supposedly leading.
M E G A L O M A N I A C
B-Rock, I understand exactly why they tried that with Floyd ( which also indicates they were attempting to bully Floyd Team). Boxing is and has always been about what? Money! But the problem is Floyd makes plenty, he owns his own promotions, he pays himself, no overhead. So even with the 50/50 split, Floyd would still make more. Arum gets his 27% off the top of Pac. 27% is huge. If it dont make dollars it dont make cents(sense). So to counter you once again, why foolishly attempt to bully Floyd at the negotiating table with a 10mil penalty? That was a retarded power play by Arum/Roach which back fired on them because Floyd easily agreed to it. You see my friend, you are actually saying what I am saying, you just trying to make an argument out of nothing, youre ‘special’.
No one in the history of boxing has ever demanded blood testing for PEDs.
Why did Floyd demand it this time around, after more than 40 fights?
Pacman has cemented his legacy without Floyd.
Pacman doesn’t need Floyd, it’s Floyd who needs Pacman.
Pacman’s life is already set..the Clottey fight could be his last…Pacman is ready to retire anytime soon.
Floyd said “belts just gathers dust”. What Floyd needs is $$$$.
And Floyd cannot make $30-$40Million/fight without Pacman.
So if Floyd wants the $30-$40Million then he should just drop his BS accusation about PED’s an
Wow… you still haven’t goven me that link to the details of the pac v clottley fight contract, do you know something we don’t?
People wan’t to make out as if there’s so many different excuses Manny has, but he only has one…He simply isn’t Floyds bch!
The question is, does Mayweather know something about PED’s that you don’t? It seems to me me that Mayweather behavior suggests that PED’s taken within a 14 day window are not as effective as ones taken over a 24 day period.
As with antibiotics, PED’s are probably taken in cycles of at least 24 days to be anything like effective.
Pacquiao had therefore no choice but to pull out of the fight at this point because 14 days is too shorter time for him, if you run with the theory, to cheat.
All this talk about testing will not be in play come November..
It will be Mosley vs Pacquiao…
Mosley will beat Mayweather.. you will see why Mayweather has been ducking Mosley for all these years…
Finally the Fraud will be exposed!!!
Your going to see a shift from Mayweather fans to Mosley real quick.. Jumping the band wagon..
Every interview i see the fear of defeat in Mayweather’s eyes, when confronted by Mosley..
May 1st will be Mayweather’s first loss….
Man i cant believe what i am hearing, PAC should be the one to man up and just take the tests and fight MONEY. I mean c’mon the more PAC denies trying to take the tests the more he looks suspicious. MONEY wanted random testung all the way to the fight, but PAC was acting like a female so MONEY was willing to give him a 14 day cut-off, but that was not enough for PACROID, PACROID wants it his way and all the advantages. The blood tests would be of no advantage to either fighter, but the pealty and glove size are an advantage to PAC. Either PAC is hiding something or he is just scared of the real P4P King MONEY MAYWEATHER. Plain and simple.
Why didnt Floyd take time to become part-time scientist while retired??? Could’ve saved a lot of time making Floyd fans trying to study blood test…seriously Floyd, help YOUR FANS PLEASE!
@ WOW:
Tsk-tsk-tsk. The folly of naivette.
They gave Floyd a penalty clause because they thought Floyd could just come in overweight and “pay off” his extra pounds. But not if teh fee is too stiff!
If tehy put a penalty clause on Clottey for headbutting, do you think Clottey can cough up the money to pay it? It would be useless. Useless like Floyd’s 14-day proposal.
Mr, Writer:
you know what, that makes sense. This inglorious Beastard, Mr floyd is real sneaky.
good article
B-Rock, one has nothing to do with the other, it was actually an, you ready for this big word? Analogy. See you present the argument that the 10 mil penalty was justified. But Clottey has a proven history of being a rule breaker. But you offer no argument for the lack of Clottey clause. Think before you speak, it helps. Never mind, I will just speak for you, speech and thought combination was never your strong area.
The issue is that its unlikely that Pac can use the excuse of being drained if he gets a 14 day window. In addiition, if there are numerous random tests before the 14 days its unlikely he simply woul take peds for such a short time for a beneficial effect and also would get a short time to cycle off which can cause side effects as adrenal insufficiency, low blood pressure, and possibly both muscle and joint pain.
The 14 day cut off is a negotiation ploy saying we are giving you two weeks off so u don’t need to worry about tests are being drained.
@ lex_fugitive:
The blood test taken by Manny before the Clottey fight was scheduled and sanctioned by the commission (NSAC). Manny has stated that as long as it’s the commission’s testing, he will abide by it, no questions ask.
Wow!
HAHAHA I only do this because i see a lot of invalid points people make, and its making you look sad, and just makes me laugh! Whats wrong with that?? You amaze me! Take it as a compliment:)
I enoy boxing, I really don’t care who the fighter is, thats the thing about me. But for some people to say Floyd avoided this fight is crazy. I mean, what more can you do at a negotiating table? You agree to everything the opponent throws at you, but the opponent doesnt agree to the one thing you throw at him. I personally think Pac wanted to fight, but it was Arum/Roach who ducked this fight. They were too quick to walk away and settle for Clottey, who they control and could dictate everything to. Clottey dont have the room to negotiate.
@ WOW:
Again, stick with apples & apples. What does data for getting knocked down have anything to do with coming in overweight? A history of getting knocked down is not a deterrent for an opponent. if anything, it’s encouraging.
But coming in overweight is an unfair advantage, especially against a smaller foe.
Again, you can make all the models you want. Use apples w/ apples & oranges w/ oranges.
if the pacman agreed to all of floyd’s demands, floyd will think of some other demand, it was so obvious right from the start
put your baseball helmet back on and try not to lick the windows on your short bus buddy, that was mean. But I cant mentally challenged individuals trying to make something out of nothing. I understand your ‘special’ in your own ‘special’ way, but the rest of us uses logical thinking, rationale etc….
Wow
Wow! Wow! That was a cool smart, intellectual encounter from you! Wow, im amazed at how well you know boxing!!lol
“Its not only that Manny throws so much leather. I suspect there is also a matter of confidence. Whatever the rights and wrongs of their dispute over drugs testing, it was Mayweather who brought up the whole issue and blocked their fight. That tells me he (FLOYD) may be anxious about the fight.” — Michael Irvin, Dallas Cowboy wide receiver.
Manny refused to prove he’s clean. He was proven to lie to get out of the Mayweather fight when he SCHEDULED a blood test closer to his fight with Clottey, than he would against Mayweather. Why did Manny agree to any testing if it was a pride thing? It doesn’t hurt his pride to take tests 24 days before the fight, but it does for 14??? Why didn’t he schedule his blood work two months before fighting Clottey instead of less than three weeks before if it makes him weak??? Maybe it was because the blood tests he took before fighting Morales, Hatton, Clottey and numerous other fighters wasnt tested for PEDs? giving a tablespoon of blood, to be tested for PEDS, 23 days before a fight makes him weak yet giving TEN TIMES that amount just 20 days before a fight doesn’t matter, as long as its not tested for PEDS??? Yea, I know whenever I give blood it has different effects on me depending on what they test it for! If they test for PEDs it leaves me feeling weak, but if it only tests for diseases, it doesnt affect me at all!!!
@ Jamar:
And Floyd fans need to stop justifying his cowardice and reluctance to be an actual welterweight fighter.
They need to stop being an enabler for Floyd. Floyd hasn’t done squat since beating Diego Corrales back in the jr. lightweight division. And then he’s gonna go around saying he’s better than Ali & Sugar ray Robinson. Sheeee.
Here’s a thought. The drug Marijuana stays in your system 20-24 days…at 14, THC would still be completely present. In Actuality the third week IS the exact week after stopping, in which most “dirty” drugs begin to be COMPLETELY flushed out…
Sorry Wow I didn’t realise the contract details of the Pac-man v Clottey fight had been disclosed, can you link me please? Or just point me to somewhere I can see that Clottey did or did not have a high penalty clause for going over weight.
Seriously, I’d like to know if the info is out in the public domain, thanks.
Hey boxing247, who was the oldest man to become heavy weight champion lol? Dude you a fraud, know nothing about the sport at all. Get out of mommas basement sneaking on the internet.
@ Wow:
And how many times did Manny touch the canvas? Three times in over 50 fights (and one of those was a slip ruled as a knockdown).
Drop your online classes and take a real course. Perhaps Apples & Oranges 101 would do.
Its amazing to me how stupid the people backing Pacquaios arguments are… its to the point of being comical. All Pacquaio has to say is “I dont want to let mayweather dictate the rules of the fight” and it would be over. Thats atleast somewhat understandable. Anything else, such as ‘giving blood weakens him’, ‘hes afraid of needles’, or ‘he didn’t want to draw blood close to the fight’, are all retarded excuses and reading Pacquaio fans continue to defend any of those is hilarious. I like Pacquaio, but his fans really need to stop defending those dumb excuses.
@ WOW:
Because Clottey didn’t go overweight during a catchweigth stipulation against a SMALLER foe.
Man, come back when you can compare apples w/ apples instead of oranges.
“Take a statistics class, man” I have, several while getting my BGS degree in Networking and Telecommunications. (Thank you hater). And if we were to draw up a statistical model, it would indicate Pac has a high probably of getting knocked out, due to the times he has touched the canvas before i his career. So Mr. smart poster, any other dumb arguments you would like to present?
Floyd wanted the fight, and actually negotiated to get it done. PEDs need to be taken for a prolonged period of time to reap maximum benefits, taking them for only a week or two, as training is tapering off, would make for neglible benefits. There is no reason a clean fighter wouldnt agree to this. And I’m sure all the Pacfans agree that Marquez, Barrera, Morales and many others should have DEMANDED a $10 million penalty for every pound overweight he came in, since Manny has an actual PATTERN of coming in overweight and not one isolated incident. Bottom line the commissions have rules for coming in overweight and have drug testing protocols. Because one fighter had ONE infraction before, does that make his opponent the “commission”? Why did Manny come in overweight in two of his first championship fights??? But not against the poor fighters he was put in with?? Why wasnt there a $10 million per pound penalty for Manny against Barrera, Morales or anyone else after this repeated pattern of cheating Manny engaged in??? That Pactards are trying to spin the fact Floyd was willing to negotiate, and Manny wasn’t to denigrate Mayweather, shows why they are referred to as PActards. Mayweather would allow Manny to gain a tiny advantage with PEDs but not a huge one. Thats not being hypocritical, its trying to get a fight signed!! Again, it is almost pointless to take PEDs for only a week, while taking them for long periods, can reap huge benefits, but lets ignore the facts, and try to spin Mayweather being willing to negotiate to get a fight done as something bad. While Manny refusing to give blood as close to a fight as he just did against Clottey is being righteous. Mayweather has NEVER came in overweight at the welterweight limit, yet Manny DEMANDED the rules be changed just for him. ANd yes, look it up, Manny has came in overweight for fights more often than Mayweather’s isolated incident!
WoW
WOW! WOW! i think i know why you name yourself that! Clottey doesnt have 10 Million!! WOW your stupid….
Pac has been florred before. So does that mean he has a history of getting knocked the f#$% out? No!. Dude, yall be making dumb arguments to support one fighter over another. There is nobody in boxingt who will say Floyd is out of shape or isnt one of the hardest working/prepping fighters in the game. Why didn’t Clottey have a 10million per pound penalty? Dude unplug your keyboard, your finished.
To Wow
What!? is that you Floyd?? you punk! You wanna go in circles with this arguement you fool?? Seriously i told you guys Floyds hypocrism is reflected towards weaker minds. Look!! we have mini Floyd minions backing he’s words up that made him look stupid the first place!!LOL
those who even consider that manny is using ped are all idiots like the mayweathers, fighters especially in the level of manny pacquiao have a lot of pride,pacquiao is the face of boxing,he is the no. 1 p4p best, floyd is the no. 2, pacquiao is the champion floyd is the challenger, pacquiao just won the fighter of the decade,he won 3 fighter of the year award in the last four years, my question is, why should pacquiao agree to the terms of someone who is inferior than him, simple as that, pacquiao is superior than mayweather in anything………
@ WOW:
LOL! How naive! How naive!
To think he added, “…and Floyd history of being a big PPV draw, I’m not mad at Floyd for demanding a bigger cut of the purse.” You’re funny, man!
Numbers don’t lie, my bootie. Take a statistics class, man. You can make the stats say anything. It doesn’t take into account who his opponent was, when the fight took place, etc. There are other factors at work. You think Floyd would have drawn 700,000 against Joshua Clottey? Don’t think so.
Blocked?
No!
Put it the way an article in The Ring did recently……
* Just for the sake of argument, what if the pride of the Phillipines were to actually demand that Mayweather take a gender test? “We’re not saying you’re a girl, exactly, just that, I don’t know, there’s been a lot of talk going around, so drop your pants.” We all know what “Money” would do, because he’s nobodys bch either. *
Couldn’t have said it better myself, but thought I’d repeat it for you all.
Floyd went over once in his career, once. Clottey has a HISTORY of doing it. Dude, like I have said numerous ties before, I’m not a fighter fan, I’m a boxing fan period. If you want to penalize Floyd, there should have been a clause for Clottey who has a repeated history of coming in over weight. Apples oranges my a@@.
Sorry guys have to say this again.
The 14 day window is sitting on your faces, and your all still licking his ass. LOL
It’s called negotiations for a reason. I have my demands, you have your demands. Floyd agreed to Pac, Pac team walked away from one. That is not negotiating, that is dictatorship. But Floyd is the bigger PPV draw and has made plenty of money, so Pac cant bully him like he did with Hatton and the rest. You do know that the Hatton Pac fight almost fell apart because of Pac’s demands right? Dude got his way with lesser men, Floyd is a great fighter and Pac team couldnt push him around. Now with the poor PPV sales of his last fight, and Floyd/Shane surely gonna out do it big time, and Floyd history of being a big PPV draw, I’m not mad at Floyd for demanding a bigger cut of the purse. No matter how much you disagree with me, the one thing you cant dispute is the numbers. Men lie, women lie, but the numbers dont lie. So either Pac take the test or fight another bum. Now, don’t argue me, Argue the facts! Floyd agreed to Pac’s team demands, Floyd is the bigger PPV draw. Facts, argue the facts please.
@ WOW:
I refer you to my comment to Tweezy below. the differnce is Floyd has been documented to go overweight & not keep end of the deal against Marquez.
Whereas Pacquiao has never been documented to use PEDs.
Stop comparing apples & oranges.
@ lex fugitive:
That’s not what Floyd was saying. I understand that to gain maximum benefits, you have to use PEDs for a longer period of time.
But what Floyd was asking for was testing up until the day of the fight because he can still use it up for those 2 weeks & flush it out before the final test. But now, he’s willing to go as far as 14 days out?
The 14 day window is sitting on your faces, and your all still licking his as. LOL
Yeah this writer needs to get another job. “But until then, he does not want to be dictated by an opponent, who appears to be motivated by psychological tactics and pugilistic mind games” So Mr. Arthur, exactly what was the 10 million dollar penalty Pac team came with? If that wasn’t physicological warfare and an attempt to push Floyd around and dictate things then what was it? Please man for the sake of boxing, get a second or third job, because this one is not a good fit for you.
i do agree that if the boxing commission changes it’s policies on drug testing, pacquiao or any other boxer should abide by this…however, until this happens, no opponent should dictate how testing occurs prior to a fight
LOL, all you Mayweather fans are a bunch of Pu$$ies that cant admit that Floyd bailed out. Look at Floyds hypocrisy, it reflects on weaker minds like yourselves. Roach and Pac are calling Mayweather out while Mayweather is already making future excuses not to fight again. And if Mayweather wants the Pound 4 pound crown he has to step up as the challenger. Thats how all the greats did it, NO EXCUSES! Oh man you guys have it all wrong here. When did boxing fans become Pu$$ies. Oh yeah, till Mayweather starting talking, thats when. Y’all stupid asses.
for crying out loud,just fight him floyd and back up your mouth and knock him the fu*k out.for years we’ve had to listen to floyd telling anyone who’d listen that he is the greatest of all time!!so just get on with it and fight otherwise your greatness will be severley tarnished as far as i’m concerned.
wow, this author hasn’t looked into this issue at all. PEDs can be out of your system quickly, but to gain a real effect have to be taken for more than just a week. Random tests up to 14 days before the fight would definitely really negate any enhanced performance by only allowing such a small window for them to be taken! Sure, Pacman could gain a small advantage by using PEDs for a week, but it would be close to pointless, especially considering fighters start tapering off their training around the 14 day mark! Thats why! If anyone actually looked at issue of PEDs, the advantages they give, how they work, how long they take to flush out of your system, and testing for them than it would be obvious why Floyd agreed to the 14 day window. Because he wanted to fight Pacquiao, and was willing to allow Manny an extremely small extra edge to get the fight!!!
team pacquiao would rather pacquiao retire than fight mayweather .
let me explain , team pacquiao found out last week that all boxing commission in the USA would adopt random blood testing for all CHAMPIONSHIP FIGHTS by this SUMMER .
So instead of fighting mayweather next pacquiao decided to used his mother as an excuse not to fight mayweather, saying that his mother all of a sudden don’t him to fight no more .
what a psy,that your fighter of the year . just say blood test and manny pacquiao would run away. WHY ????
@ WAK:
They both get tested, but Floyd doesn’t rely on power the way manny does. So it wouldn’t matter to Floyd if he gets blood drawn.
But back to this guy’s question: How does the 14 day window address Floyd’s concern about boxers being able to flush out drugs & manioulate the testing system? What good is that compromise if it’s meaningless anyway?
Hey, Steve Lewis.
Like in your older article about having 24-hour monitoring on Manny instead, let’s see if Floyd would agree to having an NSAC or USADA representative monitor Manny 24 hours a day to see if he shoots up or takes anything illegal. Do you think Floyd would agree to that in lieu of blood testing?
I doubt it.
agree mr. writer, it’s just posturing and floyd trying to get psychological advantage to gain upperhand before the fight. it was just a sign of disrespect out of jealous to manny’s achievements. the mayweathers are just bunch of cowards and bull**it trying to ignore and manipulate the rules of the commission. besides, this clan have the history of being cri**nals and hypocrites that they are they do believe they can get the call as they want. the boxing public all knew what kind of people they are!
Southside Fighter. You from Chicago?
I agree the 14 Days is stupid, but I can’t blame for getting into Pac’s head.
The Art of War. Every battle is one before it is even fought.
If there was no blood testing for 24 days, that would give Pacquiao about 22 days of taking PEDs, as he would only need one or two days clean prior to the fight to be clean after the fight. I’m not saying Pacquiao is on anything, but if he was, having almost a full month of juicing before the fight would be pretty productive. Let’s not forget he gave blood 14 days before the Hatton fight.
manny is just afraid of mayweather. floyd is all bad for manny. a natural counterpuncher who does best with aggressive fighters. manny ran up from 130 to stay away from marquez. he used this random blood testing as a way out of floyd. if manny was an A#$%R# like barry bonds, we would all be calling for his head. but since he’s a nice guy with an exciting style, you all went mark mcguire on him and put him on a pedastol.
1st of all Mayweather is fighting Mosley on May 1st and Pac is back home gettin ready for the elections. 2nd Mayweather already said that if Pac wants to fight now he’s gonna make the testing all the way to the day of the fight and if Mayweather sells more ppv’s then it wont be 50/50 either. 3rd Team Pac had way more demands for Floyd and Floyd agreed to the all. He only had 1 demand for Pac and he refused. It’s always team Pac that tries to make all the rules for example catchweights to drain fighters. Who knows what could of happened with pacquiao-cotto had cotto not had to lose 2 more pounds. Cotto was a fool for agreeing to that. He should have agreed but not for the best. A title shot should be at 147 only Pac can win it at 145 and get credit. Yeah it’s still welterweight I know but let Cotto come in at 147 I mean afterall it WAS Cotto’s belt was it not? I think you all are just biased and create a HUGE double standard. Team Pac and all their outrageous demands is all good like ten million dollar for every pound over weight. That’s unheard of and ridiculous but that’s ok right? Pac is not trying to push around Mayweather right? whatever
My sentiment’s exactly.
14-days is meaningless. It solves nothing that concerns Mayweather. So it was what it was. Bunch of posturing to get into Manny’s head.