Here’s How Pacquiao Can Beat Mayweather by Decision
March 18th, 2010
By Ryan Dunn: If you look up the phrase “unanimous decision” in the dictionary, you might find a picture of Floyd Mayweather smiling back at you with that million dollar grin. But Manny Pacquiao has a relentless attack, unothodox punching power, and a solid chin. I believe those three qualities could spell complexity for Mayweather in the form of a loss by decision.
Manny simply stayed too busy to give Clottey opportunities for solid counterpunching. The shots that did land, however, had some snap to them. Manny is an Asian fighter with high cheekbones and a proclivity for swelling, but those punches probably still hurt Manny. But not once was he wobbled, stunned, shook or even put off balance. Unless it is in vast accumulation (as in the first Pacquiao/Morales fight) Floyd Mayweather does not celebrate the same punching power as Joshua Clottey.
This tells me a few things. First, I am well aware that Clottey is nowhere close to Mayweather in terms of sheer skill. But I also realize that Manny is showing (like Barrera in his prime, and Bernard Hopkins every time he steps in the ring), that he can adapt his style for a specific fighter in order to win the fight. He takes direction from his trainer very well, and he conditions like nobody else on the planet for each and every fight.
In Mayweather we have the gloves-up defense, the patented shoulder roll, the lightning-quick, laser-precise counter shots, and a convincing jab when he wants to use it. Of all these tools, however, I think the jab is the only one that wins this fight. Unless he can keep the distance between himself and Pacquiao, he stands a very good chance of losing the fight.
Manny’s balance is improved, his left and right hooks are equally deadly (he even threw both at the same time against Clottey, to let you know they’re still there, even if Clottey never came out of hiding to receive them). And while his defense is lacking, he more than makes for it with his speed, accuracy, and surprising power punching considering his stature.
You can’t forget the angles he gave Cotto last November. Sure, we missed them in his fight with Clottey, but as was said that night, you can only fight the fighter in front of you, and Manny had nothing but a guy hiding in his defensive stance, waiting for Pacquiao to tire out so he could impose his power counters on the Filipino. But it never happened.
So, how does this add up to Pacquiao winning a decision? Well, as I said, without an omnipresent jab from Mayweather, here is what I think will happen:
First, Manny will control the flow of the first few rounds, as Mayweather studies his opponent to see what tricks Roach pulled out of the bag. During these rounds, Floyd will cover up and avoid getting hit with most of Manny’s shots. These rounds will go to Pacquiao for the same reasons all twelve rounds went to Manny against Clottey. The judges have to score the rounds on SOMETHING, and when you have an aggressor and a defender through a whole round, the busier guy usually wins it.
After Floyd gets comfortable, he will begin timing his counter shots (remember, this is under the scenario that Floyd never gains Manny’s respect for his jab). These counters will land, and they will score. Some of these middle rounds will go to Floyd, if not most of them. But then something will change. If Floyd decides to abandon his jab (or even if he stops throwing it with conviction), and opts instead for shoulder-rolling and counter-punching, he is going to become overwhelmed with combinations from Manny. Body to head, angle to angle. Bang. Bang bang. BANG! (Sorry, I had to do it.)
You see, the reason other critics might think Manny didn’t look great against Clottey, is because Manny actually does better against opponents when he can get them on the move. I don’t mean running around the ring, I mean rolling out of close quarters then trying for a counter shot. Pacquiao is highly unorthodox, and he thrives on off-kilter, seemingly off balance hooks and crosses.
Others say Manny simply has no defense. This isn’t true. Watch the Ricky Hatton and Miguel Cotto fights for evidence that Manny is very good at the hook-duck move. It’s how he put the Hitman on his backside the first time, and it’s how he caught Cotto in the middle of their fight with the impressive knockdown. He throws the hook and leans out of the way at the same time. And those are STRONG shots, not glancing blows. Nobody else really does that… except Floyd (only without the devastating power).
When Floyd plays rope-a-dope and leans around the edges of the ring, he will look out of sorts even if he is not (while effective, the shoulder roll can appear to a judge as feeble, and I think a few rounds went to De La Hoya for this reason). Manny will take advantage of this submissive posture, and the judges will begin scoring the later rounds for Manny. Take Floyd’s jab away and you have a defensive fighter who thrives on well-timed pot shots. That’s great against a smaller, slower guy like Marquez, but Manny is a much-improved boxer now, and his repertoire of tools is growing fight after fight. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him win 7 rounds to 5, to be honest.
I know this article is about Manny winning a decision, but if there is any hope for Manny scoring a KO or a TKO, it will be in these later rounds, once Floyd begins to feel the judges may be giving rounds to Manny based on the Filipino’s punch output. Floyd will start to put more punches together while countering, and he will become more incessant about moving out of close quarters. Those will be the opportunities for Manny to land a sudden, unseen counter hook and put Floyd on the floor like he did against Marquez. It sounds impossible, as I said earlier, until you really start to break these two fighters down to their elements.
Keep in mind, this is a very early hypothesis designed to show you how an argument can be made for Manny winning a decision. Most whom have spoken about this fight seem to be divided between Mayweather winning in by unanimous decision or Pacquiao winning by knockout. It’s going to take something very surprising to happen for Manny to knock Floyd out, but Mayweather and Pacquiao have just about equal chances of winning a decision in my opinion.
Floyd will win if he keeps the fight in the middle of the ring with his jab, and Manny will win if he overwhelms Floyd and keeps him on the ropes.
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The secret of mayweather is his elbow, similar to “bong sau” in bruce lee’s wing chun blockings. Hold it down to punch. It deflects punches, if the elbow is put on a neck level, the opponents punch would just go way above the blocker’s head. Hope everyone knows this and break this from mayweather.
Gee whiz, and I tghohut this would be hard to find out.
Jaysmooth,
Zab doesn’t have it.Clottey beat him,Cotto beat him.He’s been severely on the downside of his career.He doesn’t deserve a fight with Manny.
@roger rabbit says:
March 18, 2010 at 7:21 pm
zab judah knocked down kfc and was winning until that criminal uncle disrupted the fight and lost the momentum for judah. if judah can do that to kfc how much more for pacman.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
You know guy, you can say what will or would could happen but why hasn’t Pacman fought Zap Judah who is stronger and has the same speed as Floyd. The one thing that Zap Lack that Floyd has is his discipline in the ring. If Zap Judah was discipline he would have beaten Floyd. So, why don’t Manny fight Zap Judah, and see what happen. I am just tired of the hypotherically speaking you guys post. Lets talk about the realities and the realities are that Pac don’t do well against faster, quicker, and patient boxers.
lil giant,
no answer
Ask any boxing expert if Manny has improved since beating the mexicans early last decade. They will all say yes. Well Manny was a terrific fighter back then. He has his faults, but his strengths outweigh them 10 to 1, which means any deficiencies can be neutralized and overshadowed by his strengths.
Is his defense as good as Floyds? Not in a million years.
Is Floyd’s offense as good as Manny’s? Not in ten billion years.
Let’s put them in the ring and see which is worth more, no?
…ryan
haku,
Nobody is saying Manny is the best counter puncher out there, or his trade style is counter punching. We all know he’s an in and out boxer that likes to go toe to toe. What we are saying is that he can counter punch, and his defense is underrated, that’s all. Just contrary to what other people are saying that the guy just swings wildly.
I mean you can break Mayweather down the same way. Shoulder roll, jab, cross. Duck, peddle backwards, shoulder roll straight. I mean he does the same thing for every fight too right??? OF COURSE NOT! Timing is different, how much he engages is different. Same w/Pacquiao, styles are the same but strategies vary between fighters.
@haku…I don’t know why you feel a need to talk to me…..but yes watch Pacquiao’s last 4 fights and watch the improvement he made in counterpunching. Is losing every single round your idea of landing at a high rate? Pacquiao’s defense and footwork has improved. If you just hate Pacquiao then you wouldn’t admit it anyway. But anyone can plainly see it if you actually watch his fights.
@JB
LOL….Manny is not a Counterpuncher. And when you refer to this new improved defense are you talking about the defense he displayed in last two fights? Are we talking the defense that had slow ass josh clottey landing at a high rate? Stop the nonsense man….
@Lou
yeah i agree he lost to castillo but its whats on paper that counts and on paper he aint lost.
now regarding Zab Judah he wasnt a 4 round fighter then as the 6 fights before mayweather he went the 12 round distance 4 time thats not including the 3rd and 9th round KO win??
regarding Gatti (may he rest in peace) but he was champ and he asked for the mayweather fight…fair enough the ward fights took a lot outta him but he was still champ…and when was he prime in your opinion? dlh fight? ward fights? he would have still been beaten imo it wouldnt have been any different.
Hatton?? people didnt think he was overhyped when hhe beat Kosta?
bottom line is you can reel these names off if you please cause as a boxing fan and thats what i am a BOXING fan, not a pac fan not a mayweather fan not a mosley fan but a boxing fan i just tell it like it is….he may have lost the castillo fight but end of the day its down to the judges…now just the way your approaching this i can tell that your a pac fan 1st aor (floyd hater) and a boxing fan 2nd…now you can sit there and say well “it sounds like your a floyd fan” but i have commented on Ryans other article on the flip side of this so like i said im a fan in general.
There are a lot of ppl on here in particular roger rabbit???? cmon Zab was winning the fight up until the 5th?? by the time the uncle came in he was getting punished he was done….go back and watch the fight. If ppl like you were judges in boxing every decision would go tthe way the mayweather castillo fight did!!
@Who Dat?
I love you too. Thanks for stopping by and giving me your thoughts.
BFF!
…ryan
@ Ryan Dunn, lol you almost fooled me, I almost read this article, but I got about 3-4 lines down and realized you are clueless.
Senor Iceman,
I never said beating Pacquiao is easy…
Its true what you said, its a different story when you have the guy in front of you.
i just think since styles make fights, Floyd has the perfect style to beat Pacquiao.
Pacquiao fans think Floyd is going to stay there and let Manny Unload on him.
Not going to happen, if you keep your distance, and move you give Manny Problems its a proven fact. The thing is his last four fights, he hasnt had a guy in there that can do that.
it can go both ways, you talk about Manny Pacquiao speed and power but what happens when you put someone that is always moving, always ready to counter, your right floyd does throw a jab to the body, jab to the head, leaping left hooks… But the key thing about that is he never stays in the same spot. If you know boxing that sets off a fighters timing.. Now you havce a fighter like Manny Pacquiao who style is go in throw alot of punches and overwhelm his opponent with floyd movement Manny wont be able to get set therefore he’ll have problems getting off his punches.
I mean i guess because i come from an old school boxing family and i grew up watching and idolizing the old school fighters… I dont think much of Manny Pacquiao he is a great person and does alot for his people but he would have done little damage back in the day.
Kid Dynomite, He has lost but not on Paper Mayweather has not fought a Primed elite fighter since Castillo beat him. Gatti 5 years past his prime, Delahoya 5 years past his prime, Judah a 4 round fighter, Baldamor a d level opponent with 12 losses, Hatton an over Hype job who took a Collazo beating prior to Mayweather bout, Marquez an out of prime 36 year old lightwieght who can beat most lightwieghts today but has no bussiness fighting as a Welterwieght.
Pacquiao has a great counter right hook. So yes he can counter-punch. Pacquiao’s defense is very underrated. He is hard to hit with his new footwork, and fighting at a higher weight gives him a speed advantage. And if all else fails, his offense is a pretty good defense…he keeps the opponent on the defense. I could see him winning a decision over Mayweather. Manny has plenty of energy for 12 full rounds…while Mayweather always slows down.
Nice analysis. This is a very intriguing match-up. I just hope that if ever they fight, the fight itself lives up to all this hype. I hope this would not turn out like the
Dela hoya-Mayweather fight.
manny could always land a lottery punch !! thats the only way hes gonna beat floyd…
@ LIL Giant
Get a grip, you think his opinion isnt worth anything because he has never boxed regularly, unlike you who clearly thinks you have unique knowledge about the subject, no doubt you were a world champ
40 people have tried to beat him and 40 have failed…i mean come on, leave the studying and training to roach…like i said in the other article, im sure pac and roach are gonna be printing this article out and studying your expertise lol
@Ryan
You have got to be kidding me! Now Manny’s a counterpuncher? A counterpuncher is someone who has the ability to make his opponnet miss and the COUNTER with an attack of his own. You said yourself and it is a WELL known fact that Manny is not very good defensively. So, how can he be a Counterpuncher? If Manny is a counterpuncher then so is Paul Williams. So, stop the nonsense.
haku
were u being,
how you going,
dont wont to upset you again,at this point in time your wrong, he his the greatest at moment you or me cant should not deny it, just get your man money in the ring with pac and lets all be put in are places
@Haku
Manny not a counter puncher? Here are just a few Counterpunches from Pacquiao…
Pac vs. Morales III – The first knockdown.
Pac vs. Marquez II – Round 10 straight left.
Pac vs. Hatton – Round 2 KO
Pac vs. Cotto – Round 4 knockdown
The only think I’ll give you is that he is not about defense. True punchers/sluggers usually aren’t though, so it’s to be expected. The word “technician” depends on your definition. He has dismantled many champions equally if not more convincingly than Mayweather. The greatest out there? Again totally subjective, but Ring Magazine and the consensus of boxing critics seem to think he’s the best of the past decade, and he didn’t even really start winning big fights until 2004.
Just give the damn guy his due and let’s move on. He’s a great boxer. So is Floyd. Both for very different reasons.
…ryan
lil giant
? for you have ever boxed,
to be a real champ you have to taste the smell of defeat, this will push the best to be even more determined that they never want that feeling again,
if you cant get your head around that then you have problems
Nice analysis Ryan! I will remember this and hope the two finally fight.
C’MON SON!
Pacquiao DID not change his style. He fought the same way that he has fought his ENTIRE career. He throws the exact same combo every single time. Yes, they come from different angles; the it is all the same. Yes, he did try to implement the jab but it was ineffective and he useless. This is the sit im talkn about. Some of you writers and bloggers make Pacman out to be way more than what he is. Good fighter? Yes! Mild Mannered, nice guy? Yes! Hard Puncher? Yes! High Energy? Yes! Now, is he the greatest out there? I dont think so! Counterpuncher? No! Defensive? NO! Technician? No! Let’s stop the nonsense people
LOL, Lil Giant, if you’re so damn good why don’t you become a professional, better yet WTF are you doing on a blog site? You know these are fan based opinions. At least Ryan offers a little effort on the side of logic not like the majority of retard sensationalist writers here. Get your act together, you don’t like it, get out then. You can always debate, that’s what posting is for. Ryan schools you and you throw a fit. It’s easy to see why you’re a Floyd fan, you act alike.
@LIL GIANT
Also wanted to say, 700,000 buys with two non-American fighters is still damn good numbers. Mosley, Mayweather need to double that at least if Mayweather wants to command a split with Manny.
Mayweather also has to win that fight in convincing fashion if he wants more than a 50/50 split. Regardless of who you think is the better draw, the amount of money Pacquiao and Mayweather will draw if/when they fight will be astronomically higher than either of their Spring fights, you can’t deny that can you?
…ryan
sadly we just have to see them both inside the ring before we can ultimately say that one would beat the other.. but when it comes to style, pac-floyd certainly is intriguing.. although floyd had to go through a tough test with the mosley fight and i’m beating on mosley handing floyd his ass.. i’ve seen mosley’s fight with margarito and if he fight like that with floyd this coming may i’m sure we would see an upset.. an upset that may force floyd to forego with the rematch clause he insisted.. then we would see an explosive pac-mosley fight.. and explosive is not the question..
Against a no name he put together 700k buys. You’re absolutely right, he’s not a draw (sarcasm). Last I checked it takes 2 fighters to make a fight, and NO PBF didn’t take ODLH’s crown as PPV champ, that’s a whole other argument.
Look what Dunn has said is strictly hypothetical, no need to go crazy. A lot of people bring PBF’s resiliency into the argument but when was the last time that was tested? When did you really see the guy in trouble? Not since LW. May 1st will be the real test of his chin, power, etc.
A lot of you Mayweather fans are sitting there thinking about the good old days when Floyd had the nuts to engage. That Floyd is no more, well at least the last few fights says so. So until you see this guy really step up, I don’t think it’s any use bringing it up in a debate. Same w/Manny’s losses that happened 10 years ago or whatever. It’s about what your doing NOW. The fight, if it takes place, will be in the future, not the past guys.
@LIL GIANT
“I will never as a non doctor his opinion on how I should defeat cancer.”
- I wouldn’t ask a real doctor either, because you can’t defeat cancer.
“I rather go to a person who has knowledge on this subject. And apparently it isn’t you. Love your articles tho.”
- I’m not offering you training techniques on how to be a professional boxer, bro. I’m glad you like my articles, but just keep in mind I’m giving you my opinions and analyses on a fight. I would like to think I know what I’m talking about even if I’m not training fighters or fighting myself. I think it’s a bit thick-headed to only take opinions on a sport by veterans of the game.
…ryan
@Ryan Dunn
It is just hard for me to RESPECT someone’s point of view if they have no knowledge on the subject they are talking about. Boxing isn’t like basketball or baseball. Most people have played those sports growing. but boxing is different most people dont understand the sport techniques in boxing what they call the sweet science. This is why most trainers are ex fighters. Most of these B###### on this site who blog have never been in a street fight let alone put the gloves on. Cuz any man who steps in the ring isn’t afraid. Boxing isn’t a sport for the timid. So those ppl who call PBF KFC I know these ppl have never put on the gloves. When they say PBF runs they further let me know they have never boxed. PBF is 40 -0. Clottey showed the only way you can win is if you throw punches.I think you have an opinion like the next man. But I will never as a non doctor his opinion on how I should defeat cancer. I rather go to a person who has knowledge on this subject. And apparently it isn’t you. Love your articles tho.
jorge,
i dont get guys like u.
u break pacquiao down like that its sounds so easy, till your faced with it!
u go on about jab jab attack…. but look at floyd.
what does he do? in and out jabs to the body and head (distance shots for me) a leping left hook and superman right right cross. again in and out. thats basically it!
i dont see any flurries or combos more to 2 punches at a time etc…
but hey, you said it. if pacquiao and floyd do fight and pacquiao does get a ko, then guys lik u just say lucky!
pacquiao cant win either way with you guys.
@ Keysla
So he learned from his loses. Are you saying his loses u see how I’m using a plural term made him a better fight how. Explain this. Im really confused. It would make sense if he was fighting the fighters that he lost two again. Then he would be able to learn from that but he has never fought PBF.
@LIL GIANT
I’m not a professional boxer, if that’s what you mean. I have boxed recreationally through part of my high school days.
More than anything I am a fan of the sport. I don’t see having to be an experienced fighter as a prerequisite to watch, witness, analyze and opine with regards to the sport though.
Or perhaps you want to go a few rounds with me because your weekly sparring partner came down with the stomach flu? I’m sorry to say I’d probably disappoint you.
…ryan
Pacquiao-Clottey buys estimated at 650-700,000 and this guy is suppose to be boxing biggest draw. Manny now u will have to take the drug test and take a 60 / 40 cut if you want to fight PBF. And yes PBF took Oscars spot as the main draw. Just like he is the big draw on this site. All I know I hate clowns. So I don’t talk about them, watch movies with clowns in them. Hell I don’t even go to MAC D’s because of clowns. But you Mayweather haters love to talk about him and blog about him giving him so much energy. And you are going to pay money to watch him fight. I bet it will be over 700,000 buys. Which is good for Manny but bad for the BOXING biggest draw which we all can say is PBF
To make a quick point of clarity. It wasn’t written as clearly in my article as I had thought.
I don’t think Clottey is anywhere near Floyd in terms of skill. But both Clottey and Floyd are defense-first fighters who win with counter punching. They are both also very accurate punchers when they do throw.
Clottey lacks foot-movement, speed, and cleverness. But Floyd lacks Clottey’s power.
I’ve said before, Speed beats power. That’s why I intend to write a follow up called “Here’s how Mayweather can beat Pacquiao by Decision” in the coming future.
I’m not making my pick right now. I want to see what each camp does in preparation for the fight to make that determination. It will be chess not checkers when these two fight.
…ryan
@ Lil giant,
you seem to think it’s the opinion of some no name replying on a message board who’s apparently boxed, is all that matters right? wrong buddy. pacquiao can defeat mayweather and you can take it from some random bandwagon pactard or an educated journalist, either way the message is the same. I think it’ll be a tough fight for both fighters but i’ll give pacquiao the edge because he’s tasted defeat. I believe he’ll know how to adjust because of those losses.
This fight won’t happen. As much as Manny and everybody else want this fight lil Floyd will use each and every excuse possible to get away from having this fight not to mention that Manny is thinking of retiring soon as he enters a different kind of boxing in the political ring.
gud article ryan,
i normally agree with you on most things, but i differ with u when u compare clottey to floyd. for me floyd is on another level and manny wouldnt be able to come in “bum rash” style with floyds class.
but floyd wont be able to win a decision by sitting back and “out fighting” all night. at some stage i think he’d have to enage.
if floyed turned pro when manny did floyed would have 6 losses ,floyed lost 6 amature fights.
@ Ryan Dunn
Just one question for you. Have you ever boxed before. Have you ever been in the ring before or put on the gloves. Please answer this question for me
No way May let’s Pac out the gates like that, May’s gonna wanna establish his dominance early as well, 2 say May’s gonna give the 1st few rounds 2 Pac is BS, in spite of all the s*#t May’s said in the past, he’s smart enough 2 respect Pac & not give him any kind of momentum, confidence heading towards middle & championship rounds… This will be by far May’s biggest fight, 2 give Pac a lead like that is a mistake & May doesn’t make many in the ring, this isn’t Zab he’s fightin… That s*#T bout asian’ & high cheekbones is Ryan talkin out his as, I’ve seen some of Clottey’s other opponents look the same after goin 12 with him!
That’s assuming, of course, that Floydie Boy can get past Mosley. Marquez was easy picking for someone of Mayweather’s caliber. But Mosley?! Not unless Floydie Boy’s reach is as long and as strong as the late Vernon Forrest’s.
Mayweather is much more skilled and intelligent than Pacquiao, in the ring. Floyd’s chin, power, and determination are often uderrated, and this situation will work to Floyd’s advantage in a fight with Manny. While Manny is undoubtedly, the more exciting of the two fighters, Floyd is the boxing purist and defensive genius. To me, Manny still has some amateurish attributes, which will cost him against Floyd. I can see no scenario in which Manny outpoints Floyd; neither do I see one in which he can knockout the cautious and ultra defensive pugilist. Floyd will take Manny to school.
I do not think Manny can beat any of Mosley, Williams, or Berto. However, I think he would knock out Khan and Valero. Marquez and Bradley would also be difficult opponents for him at light welterweight.
Im sick of this pacquiao only chance of beating mayweather would be by knockout which wouldnt happen becase of mayweathers artistic defensive skills, but pacquiao would defantly not beat Mayweather by a disicion expecailly considering mayweathers hit and run technece lol.
ryan,
Some good points. Specifically that Pacquiao CAN change styles according to the fighters he’s fighting, and he does have a nice defense/counter setup, contrary to what most of these bloggers say.
I don’t think you changed my mind though. Mayweather’s used to fighting smaller guys and he’ll use his length to an advantage. The jab won’t stop. He’ll do his best to keep Pacquiao at arms length, this includes jabbing and stepping back. Pac’s best bet is to jab for a quick set up to some speedy combinations and go for a knock down.
The first half I see happening, it happened w/Judah. First 4 rounds will go to Pacquiao, the aggressor, to me that goes w/out question. Floyd adjusts quickly though. So unless Pacquiao can at least split the middle rounds, Floyd will stay at a distance jabbing all night. No way in hell Floyd KO’s Pacquiao though, May 1st will prove that.
I still think if the fight goes the distance it’s probably not going to be good for Pac. You never know there is a chance. I really have to see the May 1st fight before I can really change my mind. This is the first real challenge for Floyd since ODLH. I’ll see how he fairs against Mosley, then I’d be able to get a better setup for Pacquiao/Mayweather.
Nice article though.
sammyburo,
you need to read between the lines to understand were ryan is coming from,
his articles are more worth reading then any articles written by the deadwoods,
they dont employ any writers you or me can write a article and post
To compare Clottey to Floyd is retarded. How can you compare a fighter that only goes North and South to someone who goes in all directions. Manny has so much confidence right now no one in his last few fights has created any order in the ring. Floyd is the master of the order. He’s fought volume punchers, brawlers, boxers all at a champioship level. 17 to be exact. Manny has just fought his first fighter with any type of defense. It was cool that he threw 1200 punches but that won’t happen against Floyd. Everytime you throw a punch at Floyd he remembers. It doesn’t matter what angle or how fast. The challenge for Manny will be adjusting with out instruction. Floyds game is so cerebral that no one has been able to match him. Manny has the tools to win but no one is going to attack his mind like Floyd. Comparing Floyd to Clottey is far fetched. The only trap that I’ve seen Manny set was against Hatton. Every one else has just been over whelmed. You can’t over whelm Floyd. To beat him you have to out box him…. Manny will be drunk by round 6. He will need to fight the perfect fight like Roach said. I love Boxing not one Boxer….
Very nice article Ryan!!!
I’m saving this one so I can read it when this fight is finally made. And see if you got it right.
But Mayweather still has to get through Mosley.
GO MAYWEATHER!!!
GO MOSLEY!!!
i cant believe this writer is comparing clohtey to mayweather who the gave this guy a job as a boxing anilist thats a joke
how can you say he doesnt go out there with a plan lol thats funny you must not know much about boxing if you think that
@ ryan dunn
totally agree with you. BUT still that what we see now as it is from hatton and cotto fights. it can change dramatically with what roach and pacquiao game plan at mayweather fight. roach will masterly watch what mayweather weaknesses and train manny with that. I’m guessing it will be very different from the hatton and cotto fights. remember roach says manny wanna knockout mayweather because of the defamation. Manny will win this in Knockout fashion.
@ julio valiente
The a-side-meth uncle roger talking about is actually ‘agimat’ goggle it up. this agimat maybe next mayweather excuse for not fighting pacquaio.Using agimat will not bring level playing field
Santiperes has got it right, no matter who wins pbf or ssm, pbf will not fight pac. I believe pbf is scared stiff of pac, and will price himself right out of a fight. he’s dodges pac once, and will do it again.
“Now consider Clottey’s style. He is, in a way, a stronger, slower version of Mayweather.” Actually, they have totally different styles. For Clottey to throw a counter, he has to move his hands down from high in front of his face to throw a counter. By this time his opponent is done throwing and has time to get out of the way Mayweather throws counters as he’s rolling. Mayweather has a jab he uses against smaller fighers. Mayweather pays attention to every movement his opponent makes, EVERY MOVEMENT, their footwork, feints, punches, and especially to their timing. He then uses this to roll with the punches, so even when one lands, its almost never clean, but usually nothing more than a grazing shot. He also moves his opponents INTO his punches i.e. Hatton. Clottey does none of this. Mayweather’s defensive and offensive style isn’t even close to the same style Clottey uses. But hey, why bother with truthful statements, when we can make stuff up to downplay Mayweather and hype up Pacquiao. Honestly, their styles are as different as night and day, and anyone who has ever watched any of their fights would know this.
i like how this writer doesnt point out mayweathers jab to the body, his hook that looks like a jab, and his straight right hand. these are all things that would keep pac guessing all night and what would keep pacquiao away from just blindly going in for the kill. plus, pacquiao would respect mayweathers defense way more than any other fighter hes fought. i cant see manny winning this fight, period.
and judah was not winning when floyds uncle ran in thats why he hit em low cuz he was taking a whoopin. u are as loony as the real roger rabitt. Tha kfc stuff is old already homie always been lame its just old now too
im fat my arms are big it is full of silicon
all i have to say is watch the fifth round of dlh mayweather and watch oscar( with the longer reach) get countered for throwing winging punches with his head forward as manny does. hes done it every fight. and its easy to throw a million punches when the guys infront of you floyd wont be infront of him. You guys seriously sound like women( fraud kfc) that S*its lame as all hell. I mean are you serious I love a debate all day about this i respect ryans opinion but that stuffs pathetic fo real it is kinda funny though cuz i picture yo guys actually thinking something like that as something other than lame
Keep on dreaming people the fight will never happen. If floyd beats Mosley by decision its gonna be Manny v Sugar, Floyd is going to price himself out of the fight with Pacquiao claiming bigger PPV sales.
Good read although completely hypothetical, as you mentioned… Now lets see you write up one based on how MAYWEATHER can win by decision or knockout. Your an intelligent writer and I believe you bring up better points than most of the people on here. I still see you bias towards Pacquaio though… How about playing both sides for once?
Floyd has never, never, ever, ever fought anyone
of Pacmans caliber….to say that Floyd can
outbox him is too simple of a strategy…
Pacman is not stupid enough to use the same
tactic he used against Clottey…but just the
stamina and level that he maintain from round
1 to round 12 can alone frustrate Floyd to
make him throw more punches but becomes more
open for Pacman onslaught if he wants to win
but for sure it will make Floyd cover up more than he will throw…
@anoym,
Floyd won’t outhustle anybody, especially a fighter who throws 100 punches a round like Paul Williams. I tend to agree that Paul is Floyd’s biggest threat (based on his stance, size, and activity – the three most difficult attributes to fight against IMO).
However, after seeing Paul exposed by Quintana and Martinez, my confidence in Floyd is back.
sounds like a very good analysis
*gets some popcorn* now pac haters FIRE!
Pacquiao isnt smart enough to win a decision against Floyd Mayweather.
Manny Pacquiao fights the same way every time…. his style doesnt change thats why he wont be able to win a decision against Floyd Mayweather. The only way he will beat Mayweather if he gets lucky and knocks him out, other than that no shot.
You want to talk about guys who take the fight and win a decision: Salvador Sanchez, Sugar Ray Leonard, Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Pernell Whitaker, Floyd Mayweather Jr. and many more……
You have to be able to have something more to your game, than just speed.
You have to have defense, you have to be able to box, counter punch, give angles, set up different combinations.
Pacquiao fights the same, the only thing people have to say about Manny Pacquiao oh wow he is so fast, oh wow he is so strong. Oh Pacquiao threw 1200 punches in a fight can you believer that, blah, blah, blah blah, blah.
Anyways its funny how one writes Manny fought a dumb fight, and the other writes how he can win a decision over Floyd!
Good stuff.
THIS FIGHT WILL TAKE PLACE JUST LIKE WHEN EVERYONE WAITED FOR THE TYSON HOLYFIELD FIGHT ,,,FIVE YEARS AFTER THEIR PRIME WHEN THEY WERE NOT THE SAME FIGHTERS…
manny cant beat floyed because if he’s going 2 get tired like he did in his fights that lasted 12 rounds he going 2 b n deep water he still was punching but not with much power cotto was already beat but i have never seen floyed tired if u did tell me what fight so i can watch it he’s not going 2 beat floyed i wish they would fight so every 1 would shut up god plz damn people r crazy if floyed lose his 0 it’s not going 2 b by manny so plz people start looking 4 some 1 that could really give him a fight
Ryan, my friend,
Good, if not obvious, analysis. Manny will beat any and everybody if he is able to throw all night (based purely on his activity level). However, I see Floyd staying away from Manny and cruising to a fairly easy decision (if Manny gets too close, Floyd ties him up). I’m not sure I’ve seen Manny able to keep anybody on the ropes for extended periods of time throughout a fight (he is usually the one keeping the fight in the middle of the ring).
I say Floyd potshots Manny and doesn’t allow him to get into his typical rhythm. The movement, the jab, and the leaping hook will be key (particularly the jab, as you pointed out).
Again, it will depend on what the judges are looking for.
THIS FIGHT FIGHT WILL NOT HAPPEN FOR ANOTHER 2 YEARS IF AT ALL. MAYWEATHER WILL HAVE TO FIGHT A WAR WITH MOSLEY IN WHICH HE IS INCAPABLE OF DOING,,,IN A LOSS,HE WILL WANT A REMATCH,,WHICH WILL TAKE PLACE IN JANUARY,,,IF HE WINS HE WILL WANT AN EASY TUNE UP MATCH BEFORE MANNY,,,BY THEN THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF EXCUSES NOT TO FIGHT ,,,IN 4 YEARS THE SPARK WILL BE OUT OF BOTH OF THEM AND THEN THEY WILL FIGHT AT 39 YEARS OLD
LOL
one writes Pacquiao fought a dumb fight, the other writes how Manny Pacquiao can win a decision over Floyd.
LMAO!
The only way PAcquaio will beat Floyd is if he gets lucky and knocks FLoyd out.
Pacquiao is not an intelligent fighter, and to win a decision against Floyd you have to be an intelligent fighter. Pacquiao doesnt go out there with a plan, he just fires alot of punches and he gets away with it because he has great hand speed.
This is Pacquiao: jab, jab and bam attack and throw alot of punches.
jab, right hook, and bam throw alot of punches! LOL
I mean you want to talk about smart fighters, lets talk about Salvador Sanchez, Sugar Ray Leonard, Muhammad Ali, Carlos Zarate, Finito Lopez, Sugar Ray Robinson, Pernell Whitaker… Those are smart fighters who can take a fight 12 rounds and win a decision. Pacquiao doesnt have the mind set to win a 12 round decision, and he doesnt have the other skills to win a 12 round decision. Which is boxing, using your defense, playing possum.
Pacroid fans better hope Pac gets lucky and knocks Floyd out, or else its going to be a long night.
With a fighter like Floyd you have only 3 rounds to win. Floyds style of fighting is that he adjusts to your style and sets up perfect counter punches.The only person in this era who could have beaten floyd was a prime winky wright because he is a rangy southpaw which is floyds weakness and was strong enough to outmuscle mosely. However, bith floyd and manny have maximum 2 yrsleft fighting in them then its downhill.People say paul williams could beat floyd but i think Floyd would outhustle him.
Clottey is a stronger, slower version of Mayweather? Clottey is nothing like Mayweather. Clottey is strong but thats it. He isnt a big puncher, has no foot work and has very poor hand speed. Its easy to throw 1200 punches at someone when they stand still with the hands up. I hope people dont think Pacquiao will be throwing the same amount of punches if he ever fights Mayweather because Mayweather wont even be in range to take 80 percent of those punches on the arms. If you miss with 80 percent of your punches against Mayweather you will get punished. Pacquaio has only a punchers chance against Mayweather, i dont think he can out box him.