Floyd Mayweather’s Great and Secret Show
March 9th, 2010
By Rasheed Catapang: To hear him talk, he’s the best there is at what he does – the greatest boxer ever to lace up gloves. According to him, he’s the King of the Hill and inside the ring, his preferred temple and shrine, a boxing god.
Outside of his family and a few elite sycophants, almost all are heretics if Floyd Mayweather is to be believed. By his standard, even Sugar Ray Robinson – the closest thing the modern world has to a boxing god – is far behind him in Boxing’s Valhalla.
“Line ‘em up and I’ll knock ‘em down,“ so said Mayweather in his second coming. And Marquez, long in qeue and being the first in line, was a willing sacrifice. The wolf fed on the lamb – a prophecy foretold which came to pass.
All hail Mayweather! Though just not yet.
Welcome to Mayweather’s great and secret show. An elite welterweight beating the best lightweight doesn’t secure one seats in Boxing’s Pantheon of the Gods or claim the spot in its highest echelon. Even a 40-0 record is no guarantee, especially when it’s by the path of least resistance.
To secure the coveted top, the same old rule applies: The best has to fight the best that in the end there can only be one!
Which then brings us to May 1.
Floyd Mayweather has to slay his first real demon come first of May. (Granted he had fought champions in Carlos Baldomir, Zab Judah and Shamba Mitchell, but just exactly who are them in the grand scheme of things.) In Shane Mosley, a first ballot hall-of-famer, there is the legitimacy Floyd’s talk sorely lacks – a real sugar necessary to sweeten “Money”.
And Mosley, never mind his age, wouldn’t allow that if he could help it. Let’s hope he can.
Floyd has talked the talk; let’s see him walk the walk. As much as I wanted Floyd to be shut up by Mosley or anybody, I equally wanted him to prove just how great he really is. And when he does, if Floyd shines through, let him chase the one that got away.
For atop the hill Floyd wanted to rule over lurks the real monster, the Pound-for-pound King. It is a clash of the titans in the end, and it is only the Pacmonster who can put Mayweather in his proper place.
To hear him talk, he’s the best there is at what he does – the greatest boxer ever to lace up gloves. If Floyd delivers, he might as well be.
He’ll make a believer of us yet.
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mayweather probably have all these skillz, champion belts and money But the “man’s” Champion Legacy will NEVER be complete if he doesn’t step up like MAN and go toe to toe with Manny The 7 title holder True Champion Dynasty pedigree. Let’s be all Real and approach this like a true boxing Fan no B*ll Sh*t and I was a big mayweather fan back then seriously… >>Patrick Bondoc S.
couldn’t have said it better. man up floyd.
prove to us how great u r.
talk is cheap.
jesus christ!
my point exactly!
u either believe mayweather is a fraud or you believe pac is a cheat!
if u guys arent going to conceide anything ur all wasting ur time!
as i said just same s**t diff day……
or… u believe they are both great fighters and just hope they can work their differences out.
i blame both men and both camps.
pacman i feel could hav and maybe should hav taken the test, but then was there just cause for asking him. and really guys do you honestly believe floyds reasoning that hes “trying to clean up the sport etc..” as anything more than propaganda.
@alexia–Let’s stick to the facts. Because, what your thoughts on why Floyd asked for the test, are based purely on conjecture. Floyd asked for the test to confirm a suspcion, in so many words. He’s already made that known. That’s on record. That’s a fact.
Now a tougher question to answer, using only the facts, is why did Pacman refuse? Be careful, it’s a slippery slope, on this mound of excuses and contradictions put out there by Wapakmam and Co. Remember, the mediator came out and said that Pac’s camp was misrepresenting what was, actually, being discussed, in the negotiations. So, we already know they lie. Follow the trail of deception, from beginning to end, and you will find what appears to be one of two things, or both of them, possibly, occurring here. Either Manny was not ready to face Floyd, and wanted more time to prepare for the fight (Roach has already gone on record and said before, that March was too soon to prepare for PBF) OR he is trying to hide his PED use, by hiding behind excuses, the commission and their antiquated test, etc.
Requests made during negotiations all serve the same purpose, to make sure each opponent feels the playing field is suitable for both competitors. If either opponent feels this is not the case, they can cry foul, so to speak, and ask for what they need to make them feel things are equitable.
But, if PBF was scared, or only trying to “weaken” Manny, or not respecting his “superstition”, etc., why bend on his request at all? Why offer 14 days, and drop the OSDT request, and give your opponent the choice of the agency to use, etc, if he wanted to excercise plan “Morales” to perfection? Because, that’s the ONLY reason Manny lost that fight anyway, right? It could not be because Morales, by his own admission, studied the JMM I tape, exhaustively, and got the gameplan down to perfection, right? Wrong. JMM has laid the blueprint to beat Manny, and PBF is better than Morales and JMM, so, he already knows he can beat Manny. But, one lucky punch, from a juiced up fighter, can end your night, maybe even your career. So, why not make sure your suspicions aren’t valid, before you go in the ring? Makes perfect sense to sensible people. And the commission had NO problem with this request. It’s Wapakman and Co., who continue to flounder on this issue, even 2 months and 1 new opponent later.
@ jaysmooth …….LOl..”to be a KO threat?”, what you are failing to understand is its not about being a KO threat its about being a complete boxer and doing what you do best. Floyd box and Manny Brawls. besides that he had 25 KO’s what else do you want. NO one ever KO everyone with the expection of maybe Tyson and the ones he didn’t KO he lost bc he was a brawl” look for the one punch to knock you out”. If that is what you want go and watch UFC or something but then again when it comes to Floyd he will out sell them as well……………
Let me make myself clear….. First of all im not talking about Manny, We are talking about Floyd. I understand that he cant KO everybody he fights and i don’t expect him too. What I do expect is in his big fights he needs to have a big performance! this pop shot,cherry picking style is good but it gets boring watching him do it every fight. yes,i understand he is a boxer not a brawler but there are boxers that do KO there opponents and they are not brawlers. yes he has 25 KO’s but like i said, @ what weight did most of those occur @? Exactly! Let’s see floyd have the highest ppv numbers against “Mallinagi”. We all know that won’t happen because floyd needs a big name to really do any numbers! he is not a KO threat @ 147! As for your UFC comment, I do watch it enough to know that floyd would get his Money Ass handed to him if he got in there with a guy named BJ PENN!… Anyways, that’s a totally different subject. i don’t really care about that cuz that would never happen. floyds to much of a pu$$y for that to happen! JUST IMAGINE THE MONEY FOR HIM IF THAT FIGHT WOULD HAPPEN!!!!!! CMON MONEY MAY? ” i just want to clean up my sport” hahahahahahahahaha…. the Pac fight was a good time to start doing that!!!!!!
@jaysmooth
genius mate, pure unadulterated genius.
So, Floyd who said Pacquiao is no match for him is actually concerned having seen what Pacquiao is able to do. In short, Pacquiao beating him nine ways to Sunday is a reality waiting to happen, requiring only floyd to get inside the ring. Which floyd wont do because he’ll know he’ll lose.
Floyd fears loosing more than anything, and pacquiao is more than willing to give that to him
And jay, Floyd went up in weight the same way pacquiao did.
Have fun mate. there is hope for u yet.
Alexia says:
March 10, 2010 at 8:14 am
@jaysmooth
u lost me there mate. let’s stick to pac & floyd, ok.
I’l be with u every step of the way, promise.
Step 1. So, why did floyd asked for the TEST?
He asked for the test because when you see a guy go from 130-147 in a matter of 6-9 months and there isn’t a decrease in speed or stamina because of it..Or if you see a guy who had problem making 130 but now he can walk around at 150+ lbs and make weight for a 147 fight after struggling to make 130. Or when you see a guy who goes from struggling to TKO or KO a small guy in Marquez to Brutually beating Guys who have been fighting at the welterweight for years. My friend, that isn’t normal in boxing. Guys usually go up in weight bc they can’t make the weight in a lower division and to do it so fast in the amount of time with all your training. Its unimaginable. In order for Pacman to fight at 147, he had to get to around 155 and start loosing weight to get back down to 147. He doesn’t look bloated or out of shape like Marquez did when he fought at 144.
Another reason he ask for the test? The same reason that Usain Bolt who is the world record holder in the 100m and 200m had to go through intense blood testing at the olympics, bc he was doing something that science hadn’t prove could be done.
So, to make it a little more understandable for you bc i know you are lost again. Once you start to challenge the science of any sport and what has been done throughout history, you are putting yourself under a microscope and are subject to specualations and aquacations. But when you refuse a drug test to prove that you are legit you are then look at as beeing guilty.
@jaysmooth
u lost me there mate. let’s stick to pac & floyd, ok.
I’l be with u every step of the way, promise.
Step 1. So, why did floyd asked for the TEST?
how the f did floyd know that manny would not have taken the test…maybe he really belived he was on some type of drugs…i’m tried of people saying it was floyds way out….on paper mosley is a tougher fight than manny…….i truely belive floyd stops manny….manny kills flat footed stationary fighters…floyd is just as fast -foot and hand , he also has great defence and has a good offence when needed , not 2 mention he is bigger
@Sai – Did Floyd Jr, say anything about trying to detect “A-side” meth? NO. He and his uncle are not one in the same. Just as Roach and Manny are not one in the same. So, when Roach says…”we’ll take ANY test ANYTIME, ANYWHERE”, he’s obviously not speaking for Manny. Because, we all know, by now, that Manny won’t do that.
And I know as much about Floyd, as any true fan of the sport does. He’s one of the best, in the sport. So I make it my business to know about what exactly makes him one of the best. Same goes for SSM and Manny, etc.
As far as a non-invasive test. Why don’t you name a few that have, actually, been PROVEN to work, in detecting HGH, EPO, etc., then maybe I’ll use my influence to get Floyd to reconsider blood testing.
@Kray
damn repost i’m not sure if modz delete or not=(
True enough, will take out Roach in the equation and listen to what Floyd has to say. From the man itself!
Jamie Foxx asked Floyd if the fight will ever gonna happen. But what did Floyd say?
He said it himself no denying it.
@Alexia says:
March 10, 2010 at 7:02 am
@kray
U still dont get it mate but im not giving up on u. We go to the root of all evil: had floyd not asked for that test, we could have had THE FIGHT.
Plain and Simple.
THE TEST was Floyd’s WAY OUT of THE FIGHT.
(PS, of course he had to ask Mosley of the same thing now to save face.)
Had the president of the US not say Iraq had weapons of Mass Destruction, there would still be almost 5,000 soldiers alive who has died for this cause. So, from me to you get off the what if jucie and drink some right now juice..
@Alexia says:
March 10, 2010 at 1:27 am
@Kray
PBF’s ability to find a way is unparalleled indeed. On the first half of his career, Money’s really good. When he went to 147, he’s just another cherry picker, unable to compete at the highest level, he feasted at level B and C fighters. The value of his unbeaten record is greatly diminished, just another hyped job.
Who was considered a C Class figher that Mayweather has fought in the welterweight divsion. From what i can see he and PacMan fought 2 ot the same fighter and both times Mayweather fought them first. From what i can remember Ricky Hatton ruled the 140 weight division for 4-5 years and Manny didn’t dare go up to 140 to challenge him until Mayweather beat him. the same thing with Oscar it took him a year after Floyd beat him to take the challenge. If you want to rate N’dou, Corley at the pariticular time the fought as B Class that cool The only one i would say was a C-Class fight was Gatti and we all know why that fight happen. it was because of Money. It was Floyds first PPV fight.
@origami says:
March 9, 2010 at 9:52 pm
over the whole internet boxing sites.. the consensus mayweather the biggest ducker of all time!! at welterweight people are asking why he hasn’t fought cotto,margarito,pw and mosley before!!!
And your answer is…They were not big attractions before he retired. they were still trying to beat each other up and make a name for themselves when Floyd was at the top. Yes, he probably was on all their wish list bc he was the King before he retired. But he didn’t see an economic reason to fight them. Would he have lost to either of them its a great possibility. But was it worth it, no not at all. Roy Jones Jr. took over 15 years to give B-Hop a rematch. And he wouldn’t even give Jame Toney a rematch. so, i guess he ducked them too..Its about the money.
@kray
U still dont get it mate but im not giving up on u. We go to the root of all evil: had floyd not asked for that test, we could have had THE FIGHT.
Plain and Simple.
THE TEST was Floyd’s WAY OUT of THE FIGHT.
(PS, of course he had to ask Mosley of the same thing now to save face.)
@for rule says:
March 9, 2010 at 7:15 am
talk about records, floyd was a just a bronze medalist in the olympics compared to ODLH gold….. he suffered defeats as an amateur….. so how can he be the best fighter of all time given you line of argument. got beaten by Castillo who was cheated at the cards.
You can say the same thing about alot of figher..Like Trinadad vs De la Hoya or even Pacquaio vs Marquez..So please just move on from the amateur records garbage or what didn’t happen or who was cheated bc it happens alot in boxing.
@Response To The Fighter says
Thats a risk that Manny had to make to put himself in the spot light..Something Floyd has done as well.He went up in weight to fight Oscar at 154 and allowed him to come in at his walk around weight(which was well over 160) so whe was drained. Why would he go up and fight a P. will or Winky when he doesn’t have to he already got to the top of the mountain now if they want a piece of him they have to come to him Pacquaio included. Besides they are lot of up and coming talent in the super middle weight and middleweight divison for them these to guys to fight.
@Solini says
you game plan when you box..You shouldn’t go in the ring expecting to brawl bc all it takes is one lucky punch and you are done. So, if you were Floyd why would you take the chance when you are up in the late rounds and try to go for a knock out and risk getting hit with a lucky punch and loosing everything. Just look at what happened to Tyson vs Douglas
@SWEET SCIENCE says:
March 9, 2010 at 11:46 am
@solini… um…..ok. you missed my whole point. im talking about being a ko threat at 147 lbs. Thanks for the education!
LOl..”to be a KO threat?”, what you are failing to understand is its not about being a KO threat its about being a complete boxer and doing what you do best. Floyd box and Manny Brawls. besides that he had 25 KO’s what else do you want. NO one ever KO everyone with the expection of maybe Tyson and the ones he didn’t KO he lost bc he was a brawl” look for the one punch to knock you out”. If that is what you want go and watch UFC or something but then again when it comes to Floyd he will out sell them as well.
@kray
True enough Roach and Manny are different will take that out in the equation. Now, Jamie Foxx asked Floyd if the fight will ever happen. What did Floyd said?
@Sai – Did Floyd Jr, say anything about trying to detect “A-side” meth? NO. He and his uncle are not one in the same. Just as Roach and Manny are not one in the same. So, when Roach says…”we’ll take ANY test ANYTIME, ANYWHERE”, he’s obviously not speaking for Manny. Because, we all know, by now, that Manny won’t do that.
And I know as much about Floyd, as any true fan of the sport does. He’s one of the best, in the sport. So I make it my business to know about what exactly makes him one of the best. Same goes for SSM and Manny, etc.
As far as a non-invasive test. Why don’t you name a few that have, actually, been PROVEN to work, in detecting HGH, EPO, etc., then maybe I’ll use my influence to get Floyd to reconsider blood testing.
@ Kray
You seems to know all about Floyd. He is great in what he does. Bigger, smarter than Manny.
But he is afraid to fight Manny. Cut the random blood testing crap to detect A-side what? And convince him to fight and does testing with a noninvasive testing to detect A-side thingy. I bet Floyd will still not going to fight him.
Do you have any idea?
Better yet find the post of santiperes just in case you want any clue.
@El Jefe – Yeah, came across the glove size requirement, in a 2008 article from ESPN. You can google “welterweight glove size”, and the article regarding the ammendment to that rule will be the first result. According that article, boxers, fighting at 135lb and over, can choose 8oz or 10oz, in Nevada, 10oz being the default.
As far as Mayweather/Castillo 1, I will say compubox showed Castillo landed more, if I recall, Lederman had Castillo up on the cards too. But, as you know, the judges see the fight they want to see. PBF got the nod on that one…and a gift decision, arguably. However, he did fight hurt in that fight…torn rotator cup (in training), and still gave Castillo a good fight.
Yeah, and I also agree, Pac got two gifts, against JMM, arguably.
Like you said, ARUM could’ve given gifts to get his stars (Floyd and Manny) those gift decisions.
In either case, I’ve seen worse decisions from the judges, before. Take the Ali Funeka v Joan Guzman robbery, for example, or the, ridiculously, slanted card of the 1 judge, in the Paul Williams v Sergio Martinez fight.
@kray
Floyd asked “who runs away from 40M because of a blood testing demand” or something like that. A similar question could be asked of him “why did u run away from 40M by making that demand” – something floyd never asked from all his 40 opponents.
He claimed PAcquiao is no match for him and is so small but Floyds demand says otherwise. FEAR, Kray my mate, is difficult to hide.
Mayweather can run but he can never hide. Just like Mosley had your boy’s number now.
The truth hurts mate. And so are Pacquiao’s punches.
@Alexia–Who FORCED him to do anything? Oh, so I guess Pac was FORCED to fight Clottey, since he was considered (by Team Pac) to be the best available opponent? Yeah…ok.
Pac cherry picks and in-house fighter, making a hell of a lot less money against a 2nd tier opponent, but that’s OK for the #1P4P.
Floyd accepts the challenge, of the best WW in the division–who even the #1 P4P REFUSED to fight, just last year–gives SSM his biggest payday EVER ($20 mil), while making a cool $40 mil. himself, and you Pac fans find some way to diminish that.
See the difference? The bar is once again lowered, for Wapakman…
So, tell me Alexia, who has to FORCE a person to make $40 mil, in 36 mins of work? Please make me understand that. Even if he loses, he still wins, because, there’s no shame in losing to the BEST out there. And certainly no shame, in making $40 mil, in doing so.
Now, if Pac loses to Clottey (who I do like as a fighter, btw), who just lost his last fight to the guy that Pac beat, then how does that make the #1 P4P look? I’ll let you answer that for yourself…
@Kray
You may be right, but i do believe it was 154 and above for 10oz gloves cuz it was supposed to cut down on damage to boxers at a higher weight division, at least that was the idea. Anyway, like you said maybe they are both in thier right to ask for a diffrent size of glove, but the truth is that anyway you look at it, if he said it was an easy fight, why not just prove your critics wrong and beat this guy on his terms, that way the victory is so much sweeter and there can be no excuses from the haters, plus you’ll be giving the boxing fans what they want, you’re still getting paid and everyone is happy. The only things i have to say about Pac and Floyd is, and you should agree with this, if you followed Floyd from the begining, and you saw his fights and you’re a true boxing fan, me and you both know he lost to Castillo the first time around and got a very favorable if not super lucky decision, but the same is true for Pac against Marquez, wanna know the reason they both got the nod? Four letters ARUM. He is wrong for boxing, but then again what prometer is’nt? I mean we cant get Vic and Nonito cuz of Vic’s promoter, and that will go on forever. And as far as the blood testing goes, the ruling body should decide yes or no, thats why they’re the ruling body, if not then what purpoe do they serve? The fighters should worry only of one thing, fighting. I agree like i said before, better tests are needed, but it takes a while, costs money and while we wait for all this to come to pass, we are being deprived of what could be the biggest fight of our time.
@Kray
Money was forced to fight shane, it was luck that he got the SSM fight. Bad luck i would say because Money will get KO by Shane.
(Remember Berto has to pull out.)
@Alexia – Yet, he’s facing the best WW, in the division, and making the biggest payday of any other WW, right now. This is same guy (SSM) that Pac just flat out refused to fight…and now, all of a sudden is interested in fighting (as he’s looking past his cherry picked opponent). While he was at 147, Floyd was the lineal, Ring Magazine, and WBC Champion, as well as the 154lb title holder. He also made about $50 million, in two fights (one at 154 and 1 at 147), in one year. So, if he’s a cherry picker, as you say, he has an eye for the best cherries on the tree. While some cherry pickers (like your hero Pacman), only know how to pick the low hanging fruit.
@El Jefe – Unless something has changed, since 2008, in Nevada, fighters from LW on up can either wear 8oz or 10oz gloves. If the two camps cannot come to an agreement on which size to use, the default is 10oz. It would have been 10oz only, but the desire to have the Cotto v Margarito fight, in Vegas made the NSAC amend this rule. Arum threatened to not bring this fight to Vegas if Cotto and Margarito could not fight, in their preferred 8oz gloves.
So, Floyd was well within his right to ask for 10oz gloves, as was Manny to ask for 8oz. As far as the testing, the commission said the two fighters could negotiate that. So, the commission had no plans to take this issue on. Again, Floyd was well within his right to ask for additional testing, as was Manny to refuse.
@Kray
PBF’s ability to find a way is unparalleled indeed. On the first half of his career, Money’s really good. When he went to 147, he’s just another cherry picker, unable to compete at the highest level, he feasted at level B and C fighters. The value of his unbeaten record is greatly diminished, just another hyped job.
Correction:
“While, on the other hand, Manny and Roach had [many] of the, aforementioned, things working in their favor, against the same fighter (gloves 8oz, weight, strength (due to ODLH’s weight drain)”….
It’s amazing how people continue to raise the bar for PBF, while lowering the bar for Pac.
There’s not ONE fighter Pac has EVER faced that PBF would not have either completely outboxed or KO’d or both, as he was moving up through the weight classes. They’ve both gone through many of the same weight classes, so this comparison can be made. Now reverse it, how well would Pac have done against Floyd’s opponents, as he was moving up through the weight classes, collecting his 7 titles in 7 different weight classes?
Manny is good at what he does. He’s a fast slugger, with good pop. But, he is really just starting to learn many of the tricks of the trade. It’s obvious he’s improved under Roach, but, the things he’s just mastering at 31, Floyd had mastered by 19. And for the record, a good offense cannot replace a good defense, unless your opponent is slower than you are, and has no defense. I give fighters the eyeball test. And you can tell a fighter who has sublime natural skills vs a fighter with good manufactured skills. Once Manny gets in the ring, with a fighter, that Roach can’t so easily figure out, and give him a gameplan against, it will be the fight of his life. That fighter is none other than PBF. When Floyd beat ODLH, he beat the boxing mind of Freddie Roach too. So, he’s already 1-0, against Roach. Roach and ODLH, had the benefit of weight, strength, experience, glove size (10oz), ring size (smaller), and pro ODLH crowd, and still couldn’t get it done. While, on the other hand, Manny and Roach had all the, aforementioned, things working in their favor, against the same fighter.
Pac fans try to hype Clottey up, as if he is SSM. While these same PBF haters, try to make SSM out to be Baldomir. This is clearly lowering the bar for Pac’s sake. If PBF took on Clottey as an opponent, after the negotiations fell apart, instead of SSM, Pac fans would’ve said, he’s ducking SSM.
Some idiots posters, have even mentioned him fighting Kelly Pavlik! That’s just how high they have to raise the bar, on a fighter, who is so talented. So, in their minds, he must be just that great.
Say what you want about PBF’s antics outside ring–most of it just sells tickets anyway–but, his ability to find a way to win, is unparalled, in this era. He even beat Arum, outside the ring, at his own game. The guy is a winner…period. He deserves credit, and CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, for his accomplishments, in this sport.
@mods don’t delete!
@santiperes thanks for pointing out!
How many there are who love Floyd? And are willing to defend him?
He was asked by Jamie Foxx if the fight between Manny and him would ever happen…guess what the great Floyd has to answer.
Now what does it tells you Floyd defenders?
I agree with anybody who says Floyd doesn’t get the credit he deserved. I mean running like that should really be commendable. See how fast he run away from pacquiao? amazing stuff. legendary.
@ Deisel
What are you smoking? Pass that ish over here homie.
My lifes been a drag lately because of the economy. Girlfriend left me for a dude with money. Got my truck repoed and to top it off, my mom won’t let me live back at home in her basement…. I would like for all of it to go away and live in a fantasy world. So could you please pass the reafer to the left hand side.
it be interesting to see what floyd style willing to show up for mosley,I have to go with his last fight style.that staying far away,and countering ,right leads,and holding,as much as he can get way with.I wish he would just break that pattern and throw more than 2 punch and surprise us by holding his ground and connecting ,then he have my respect of his fighting style.but he have to work more to like him as a person.
diesel you should drink a lot of crude oil so that you will come to your senses the ring magazine had already pronounce that manny is the p4p king, fighter of the year,and figther of the decade! what the hell are you talking about!
over the whole internet boxing sites.. the consensus mayweather the biggest ducker of all time!! at welterweight people are asking why he hasn’t fought cotto,margarito,pw and mosley before!!!
flyod is the greatest runner of all time !
Fighter WTF is tried to fight Shane Mosely? You either make the fight or you don’t. And Floyd has a long history of “trying” to make fights and not actually doing it. The Fighters I’ve heard Floyd call out and not face is long. Like Mosely said, “If Floyd faught the same opponents as me he would not be undefeated”. I agree.
@santiperes thanks for pointing out!
How many there is who love Floyd? And are willing to defend him?
Now answer this!
He was asked by Jamie Foxx if the fight between Manny and him would ever happen…guessed what the great Floyd has to answer.
Now what does it tells you Floyd defenders?
i cant remember what article it was or who wrote it but at the begining of the pac may negotiations they said this fight will be fought in the media and by fans of the the fights on blog posts like this. HOW TRUE THAT PERSON WAS!
since pac defeated cotto its been basically the same old s**t diff day with bloggers repeating themselves ( me included) trying to get there point(s) across.
i havent engaged in these debates because you seem to end up having the same arguement with about three diff people of which about one in every ten or so people you talk to have anything really to say other than completley inaccurate and bias writing.
for what its worth though there have been some really gud comments on this article.
alot of people are saying floyd will make short work shane. i disagree with that. i feel if IF shane can keep a good pace with floyd and pressure me then i think he can win. i felt early on that shane would have the GOODS against floyd but i dont know anymore. i kinda agree with floyd when he said hes got shane rattled, due to shane engaging in the trash talk with floyd which hes never really done before. but theres no doubting floyds a class act and will be hard to beat. just depends on whether shane can wind back the clock. if he does then i think he can win.
as for pac and clottey. i dont no whether pac can stop clottey with one punch but he can diffenetly stop him with a number of punches and thats my prediction. maybe mid fight even. clottey can take a punch but if he isnt fighting back the fight will be stoped. just like cotto i dont think clottey will handle mannys speed and high volume of punches.
alot of guys should start putting there money where there mouths are and start making predictions with at least a little bit of insight instead of copping out.
damn I do agree with FIGHTER. . . FLOYD is not given the credit he desserves. FLOYD has fought quality opposition and none of his fights have been contreversial, recently. MANNY got his break against BARRERA, when he lost to MORALES he starts Crying and whyning when he lost, but at least MORALES let him get a re-match, but PAC couldnt do that for MARQUEZ. I will still consider MONEY P4P king. Untill MANNy faces some real COMPETITIION on the level, fight a elite welter with 10oz. gloves and dont make them come down in weight and beat them and then MAYBe he will be considered P4P, but right now Floyd is still P4P.
For argument sake and for those who keeps riding on Floyd Mayweather’s bandwagon ( “Manny is a Druggy” ). It is safe to assume with all this about Mayweathers big mouth, his antics and his over the top claims. “Manny Pacquiao on PED” is just one of those claims.
The purpose for this? You go ahead and guess. But let not start with Pacquaio is a cheat. Go fill up the plate with this new menu the chef has cooked up. lets not walk each other around the block on who ducked who. There is a very good reason why they gave the word Insanity a good meaning.
Will this fight (Pacquiao-Mayweather) ever happened?
Youtube jamie foxx with mayweather and you ll hear the answer from Floyd Mayweather Jr. himself, the great Floyd Jr.
@Sweet Science…
The all caps wasn’t necessary to make your point. I get what you’re saying but you’re missing my point about Mayweather. He doesn’t sit on his punches trying to hurt/ko ppl. He takes the safe route and frustrates his opponents making them get desperate and making his job even easier. Mayweather’s nickname used to be Pretty Boy, for the fact his face entering the ring looks the same when he exits. Personally I think the way he has his way with people is more impressive than a ko victory. Pacquaio style is made for the ko, Mayweather’s is to cruise to an easy win. But i do believe if he ever faces Pacquaio and they both wear 8oz gloves he’ll make it a point to knockout Pacquaio
Floyd is not the greatest fighter ever! If FLoyd would have fought in the 80′s at welterweight he would have been eaten up by Hearns, Duran, Leonard even Pepino Cuevas would have smashed on him.
He can be consider the best fighter of today, because of his record and his talent, but that not the best fighter ever.
It is crazy for him to say something like that.
Even an Oscar De La Hoya in his prime would have gave Floyd problems.
@ SOLINI…. CMON MAN? MAY @ 147 IS NOT A KO THREAT TO ANY GOOD 147 POUNDER. THAT’S THE POINT I’M TRYING TO MAKE. YES I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU’RE SAYING ABOUT FIGHTERS BEING FATIGUED AND GOING FOR THE KILL BUT WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME MAYWEATHER DID SO @ 147? YOU COULD BRING UP KO PERCENTAGES AND ALL THAT STUFF BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS 147 LBS! NOT ANYTHING ELSE. IM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE STLYE THAT ROY JONES HAD AND HOW THEY ARE SIMILAR.THEY DON’T HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS WITH OPPONENTS. THERE’S WAY MORE COMPETITION @ 147. THAT’S ONE OF THE TOUGHEST WEIGHT CLASSES IN MY OPINION! IM NOT ASKING FOR MAY TO STAND IN FRONT OF MOSLEY ALL NIGHT AND TAKE PUNISHMENT BUT I WOULD REALLY HOPE TO SEE HIM FIGHT AND TAKE IT FROM MOSLEY IF HE CAN. SOMETHING LIKE THE ALEXANDER VS URANGO FIGHT THIS LAST WEEKEND WOULD BE NICE.
@fighter I like your analysis and it seems that it is an honest one. Ppl really dont like putting hate and favoritism aside to just tell it like it is but you did it, and I give you props for that.
But marquez is just as good or better than those fighters you said man. Just wanted to say that lol. I can give you a thorough reasons why marquez is up to those guyz level if you want, but other than that solid analysis.
Floyd has fought any hof in their prime, baldomir, mitchell, judah are not that good in their historical categories, odl and castillos were has beens and split decision type performance and mosley is washed up, old as fck, hasn’t fought in two years, and all roided out with the blood testing…he a legend in his own delusional marketing schemes.
Fighter……Its not BIASED……………YOU ARE JUST SIMPLY BLINDED!!!!
Bob. Why do you tell some not to use hypotheticals, but you do it. Why would Floyd need to go up to 160something to be equaled with Manny, when they both started their carrers at 106? Stop making biased remarks, and give facts. Check your emotions at the door.
Back@RESPONSE. First of all, if you have been in here for more than a day, you will know that I do not like Mayweather. I have always said, and will continue to say that I do not like his attitude, or his disrespectful ways. But I refuse to let this cloud my judgement. I will give you my opinion of both guys, good, and bad. Here goes.
Manny- Started @ 106lbs. Relatively unknown, and fought unknown oppostion until recent years. To be fai, maybe this is because he is from the Phillipeans, and did not get much press over here yet. You say he came up 17 lbs over two years. 17lbs of muscle after early 20′s. HMMM, does that sound natural to you? It took Floyd 15 years. Anyway, I think Manny is an entertaining fighter, with a tenth the boxing ability as Mayweather. I think Mayweather is One of the most gifted boxers ever, but is unwilling to engage as much, thus making him not as exciting to those who watch solely for the purpose of seeing ko’s. Manny has fought Hatton, after his destruction by Mayweather. Niether guy gets much cred from me for that, as Hatton was pushed through the ranks, and was given a fight against Collazo, who punished, and exposed him b4 Mayweather got to him. Manny fought ODLH who had to come down to one of Manny demanding catch weights,and was very shot by the time he got to Manny. Manny fought Cotto, after he was destroyed by Margacheato, and had a hard fight against Clottey. Manny got a controversial draw against a Marquez who was down 3 times early, but could not finish him. He was given a descision in another close one. He Got rocked by Morales. These are his recent fights, wich are responsible for his rise to fame. Can you name one fight that was a controversial descision for Floyd? A recent one? One at all? Manny has been propped up by some people with money, because he can make them more money, because I have seen better fighters retire, and be forgotten, who whould have boxed the ears off Manny Pacquiao. He is given favoratism everywhere he goes, and this is why I don’t like him. He lost to Morales. He did’nt have the stones to admitt that he was just outdone, he whined and cried about some gloves, and a shot. That’s a fighter of the decade? A guy who has fought a lower level of comp than Floyd, but gets called the p4p best. AND YES I SAID IT! Corales, Judah, ODLH (in his prime), the late Gatti, and more are all more formidable opponents than…JMM, or Ricky Hatton.
Floyd-American born (thus more known early on even though he has fought SOME soft comp as well. Floyd could have gone after bigger guys like Margarito, or Winky, or the late Vernon, but he did’nt. I have criticized him for that. It seemed to me that he played it a little safe during this time. Even still, I think he has fought tougher guys than Manny. At this time, Manny was still coming up the ranks. To his credit, at least Floyd tried to fight Shane, but as I said earlier, Shane took the money, and fought a Prime ODLH.
Floyd was stupid, in my opinion for letting this blood issue take the fight away. He looks bad for letting Clottey fight Manny in a state that cares not about drug regs, as they have none. I think Manny looks worse, because he took a fight against a guy that he will likely beat, when the WW division is FULL of more talented, and well known guys. Colazzo, Berto, Martinez, just to name a few. Not to mention that he shyed away when Shane recently called him out.
Bottom line. Floyd is undefeated, while Manny has 5 blemishes on his record. Floyd embarassed guys Manny fights, unless he was the first to beat them, thus giving the blueprint on the job for Manny. He does not engage as much as I like, especially considering that he CAN, but wont. I fault him for this.
I have no problem saying things the way I see them, which is not biased. Manny being called the fighter of the decade, when he’s lost or drawed IN THE SAME DECADE IN QUESTION, meanwhile, Floyd remains enbeaten during the same time, with the same activity level, IS BIASED!!!!
Damn its hard to read peoples comments on here! I thought the whole objective in ANY sport is to be the best you can be while making a living and maintaining good health when it’s all said and done! Ali was great at the mental and physical aspects of boxing…he talked a lot of sh*t but was smart enough not to stand right in front of Forman. He defeated him mentally then after he softened him up he went for the kill…SAMETHING MAYWEATHER does! Why is it not ok to use your talents to the best of your ability? Jordan wasn’t dunking on everybody as he got older…he developed a consistant jumpshot and started out thinking guys. Its no different in boxing…you adjust with the weight and age so you stay relevant. Mayweather is a BOXER first so thats what he’s going to do until he feels he has you…Vargas had plenty of KO’s I think he was 20-0 w/ 18ko’s but that didn’t perpare him for the TOP TOP guys!
You can be losing all 11 rounds and catch a guy in the 12th but that doesn’t mean you’re the better fighter. Beating good guys for 12 rounds or beating them for most of the fight then closing the show to me leaves little doubt who was the better fighter!!
Solini you can’t compare Robison ko% to Mayweather today different time. Imagine how many of those fights Robinson would have had ko’s with todays TKO. Remember they had to carry you out in a strecher back in those days to get a KO. Today all you have to do is hurt the guy once or twice or out class him and the ref stops the fight.
For Mayweather to acomplish Pacquiao acomplishments he would have to win titles up to 168. I doubt he can win at 160 let alone 168
To The Fight – My Response
Fighter, you are one biased person. You completely praise Floyd and then put down Manny. As much as Floyd is the best boxer, Manny is doing more as a boxer than Floyd has by coming up in weight and beating guys much bigger than him.
For Floyd to be comparable to Manny lets see him go up 17 pounds like Manny has done in the past 2 years and fight a junior middle weight or middle weight.
How would Floyd do against Paul Williams at 160 or Winky Wright at 154. That is what Manny is doing right now. Stop your bias and acknowledge what Manny is doing no one else is coming close to doing.
Mayweather beat Marquez at 147 but Cotto, Clottey, and Mosley would have knocked him out. Why the excessive praise for Floyd beating Marquez at 147.
Acknowledge Pacquiao. For all his boxing flaws you keep pointing out he continues to do what no other boxer has done.
Maybe we should get rid of fighters from history like Duran, Herns, Tyson, Hagler to create your perfect world of just pure boxers. Please. Your arguments are clouded by bias.
@ Fighter….
If Mayweather handily has his way with Mosley you know everyone’s going to say, Mosley beat Margarito but Margarito was damaged from the war with Cotto and mentally wasn’t there for his fight against Shane knowing he had been exposed and that the 15 month lay off really aged Shane over night. Fact is Mayweather will get no cred from the Pacquaio nuthuggers once Mayweather wins. I just wonder what will they do with their lives when Pacquaio goes into politics, oh yea thats right they’ll disappear as they weren’t boxing fans but just Pacqauio fans.
Phoo. What condition were Robinson and Ali in at the end of their carreer? I get that Mosley is not the most crowd pleasing style (certainly not the least either), and that he has not fought Margarito, or Winky, or Williams (even though he just got his comuppance), but he still foughtsome tuff cats, and if he does’nt have to get his head beat in in the process, than why end up physically broken, or financially broken, just to please a few who don’t really appreciate boxing for what it is? If you want a brawl, go see UFC. This is not the gladiator arena. I agree that he has the talent to engage more, but whatever he’s been doing, works, as he has 0 defeats, unlike ALL his peers.
@ Sweet Science…
I wouldn’t say Mayweather is not a threat for ko’s at welterweight but his style of fighting is what Roy Jones was getting critized for, easily out classing your opponent but not knocking them out. There’s no one to date that has one punch knockout power at welterweight. People get ko’d due to fatigue and from taking too many hard shots, Mayweather perfers to look god like by doing what he wants to you and will only go for the ko when he knows you have nothing left, ie Hatton. He stepped on the gas against Marquez but that whole drinking his own urine must have something to do with him being down but not out lmao.
T-Bone. It does’nt matter if Floyd beatthe Klitchkos…at the same time. These people feruse to put aside their dislike for Floyd, and focus stricktly on the facts. Floyd should at least get some cred for fighting Mosley, but NOOO. They find a way to spin it, and Make Manny the matadore for fighting Clottey (a come forward fighter), and try and make it seem like Floyd found Mosley by chance. Mosley called out both of these guys. Only one answered the call. The other took the safe road.
@SWEETSCIENCE. Why, then, was Manny, who knocked JMM down 3 times in the beginning of their fight, unable to finish him, and almost be finished himself? I’ll say that Floyd has not the heaviest hands ever, but ko’s is not what boxing is about. Alot of young guys do, and that’s why their carreers suffer, because they look for the ko, instead of….
B O X I N G.
@mika. We can discuss Floyd’s possible greatness after he stops fighting, and we can analyze his carrer, without putting in hypotheticals about future fights. You said that any WW could do so and so to Marquez, but what did Manny do? I know it was a tiny bit south of WW, but he really struggled against the guy who lost EVERY SINGLE ROUND to Floyd, the one you say is’nt so great. What’s that say for Manny. Matthew Hatton is’nt as good as Ricky, and Ricky was overrated. Ricky could’nt handle Manny, who could’nt handle Marquez. According to your logic. But real boxing fans know that styles make fights. It’s one thing to analyze a couple of fighters, and give arguments thereto, and quite another to randomly just say sh/t. I mean, give us some reasons for your beliefs. Strategical, not vague garb, but why do you think Matt Hatt would do so well? What particular skill does he possess that would possibly do in Marquez, or are you just bumping those gums, to try and minimize what Floyd has done in his carreer.
Ray Robinson and Ali also fought everyone. It didn’t matter how much money or even how much time there was between fights.
Robinson fought LaMotta twice in a span of 2-3 months.
No one will eclipse Robinson in this day and age where the elite only fight a couple times a year and trade real challenges in for pay checks. Not to mention promoter keeping the best fighters away from each other.
@Anonymous
Pacquiao is not a legitimate Welter but he’s very effective at the weight. His best weight is 140. And it was easier for Manny to move up in weight because he did it gradually. Not to mention that he was cutting a lot of weight to fight at 130. So if you really compare, JMM had to put on 14 lbs in only a couple months for only one fight. Whereas Manny gradually went up in weight and had a couple fights before he took on real welterweights.
these idiopts just started watchin boxing cuz theyr pacman fans theyr not boxing fans. floyd style is similar to ali and robinson. 2 of the greatest. so dun b goin and sayin he ain shyt. cuz they sayed ali didnt like to mix it up he ran around the ring. learn a thing or too bout boxing guys then come talk here
25 ko’s in 40 fights is bot bad
hes a fighter and he can say watever he wants. u guys are jus haters. so if he beats pacman isnt he beating a lightwieght?. and y is marquez overblown lightwieght and manny a legit welterwieght. and y did marquez have a hard time moving up in wieght while manny didnt?.
i agree with what solini said. KO’s arent everything. look at it this way, to amount of times mayweather has gone to a judges score card and won all of them..is an amazing thing in itself. I think that this article is okay, i mean…he makes his point. But, he disregards his beatings of corrales, castillo (twice), ODLH, and he makes it seems like it was such an easy fight to lace em up with Marquez. What is the difference between PAc and Marquez? Not a whole lot, according to their two fights. Its just come down to floyd being hated no matter what he does. Same was said about ali, until he lost. just give the guy his props
@ solini…. What’s the % for shane and may?
@solini… um…..ok. you missed my whole point. im talking about being a ko threat at 147 lbs. Thanks for the education!
Enjoyed that. The author obviously has a genuine talent for writing.
@ Sweet Science…
Sugar Ray Robinson has a KO percent of 54, compared to Mayweather’s 62.5. Now Sugar Ray is considered by a lot of people as one the best to ever put a pair of gloves on so stating the lack of Mayweather’s ko’s is pointless. Boxing isn’t all about the KO’s.
Just to make my point clear:
Oscar De La Hoya- 66.67%
B. Hop- 56.14%
Cotto- 75%!!!!
Muhammad Ali- 60.66%
Floyd is a pop shot, counter fighter who lacks power @ 147! his fight with JMM was a true testament to my statement. he couldn’t finish him, couldn’t put down ODLH, didn’t threaten Zab or Baldomir. Tko’s against… mitchell and ricky. it took him 10 rounds to catch ricky. ten!!!! a guy who leaps forward every time he thinks about throwing a punch as for mitchell………..He was on his way out even before that fight. IMO. may acts super hard at the press conferences all in shane’s ace. let’s see if he fights like that when the bell rings. I hope!
There is no such thing of Greatest of All Time in sports. There’s too many stats that one can go by to either prove or disprove ones belief. And the competition argument doesn’t work either because as time goes by people will forget the opponent and just remember the name. It’s something good to have on the resume of named fighters. Like when Mayweather beat Arturo Gatti, Gatti had been through too many wars leading up to that fight, now what one can take from that was how easily Mayweather sat in front of Gatti and hit him at will and not get hit. This is where Floyd’s greatness comes into effect. The hit and don’t get hit phase of boxing that people respect but don’t like. They’d rather see two people beat each other to a pulp and see a guy’s hand raised. Well this is the real world not a Rocky movie, look at all those fighters who fight like that and look how they end up.
@ Tell It Like It Is
I feel u on that cult thing. It’s like Pac fans are drinking that KOOL AID Jim Jones was serving. They blindly accept things that they know aint right…Only if they could open their eyes for a minute then things would become clear. If u point out Pacquiao’s flaws then you are a hater and somehow your boxing knowledge is limited. As if we don’t have eyes and opinions as well. If you challenge their knowledge of Pacquiao then they hurl insults at u. Most of them just started following Pacquiao in the last 2 to 3 years. They brag about him being 7 time world champion and fighter of the decade but couldn’t tell u more then 5 fighters name that he fought during that time. They are not real Pacquiao fans just bandwagon riders
The secret about mayweather is that he’s not really great. Even Mathew Hatton would have eaten a bloated Marquez, and he’d knock him out too, and it wouldnt reach the 12th rd. Any welterweight would have done that and better.
I’m just an ordinary fan. Unlike many boxing aficionados, I have a lot of things to worry about in an ordinary day. It really helps to find something that will even for five minutes help me get away from the fast grind of life. Pacman fights allow me that luxury. At work, I share this Pacman treat with five others who were not boxing fans before. How much we wish we I can have the luxury of time in analyzing Floyd’s fights and start enjoying them as well, unfortunately being ordinary recent boxing fans we can’t. Good luck to the 2 fighters.
BTW, what happened to Alexia? No response huh? Crickets.
@Tell it like it is, No. I have never seen people sweat a guy, who is so flawed as a boxer, and make excuses for his shortcomings like tis. This is becaoming boxing culture though. Manny loses to Morales, they legitimize his BS talk about the gloves he did’nt like, or the blood tests, instead of congradulating Morales for being one of the few who beat their celestial fighter. Knid of hypocrytical to me. I still get no response when I ask things like ‘What happened, if Manny is so great, why could he not get JMM out of here if he knocked him down 3 times? He could’nt even get a descision in that fight, he drawed.’ I can immagine that they want to say how great and tough a fighter marquez is, but then they’d have to admitt that Floyd embarrassed the great fighter, who gave Manny such a hard time…twice. They will always find an excuse. After Floyd beats the brakes off’ him, they’ll come with some crap like ‘his mind was on the upcomming election’ or ‘it was raining back in Manilla…he was worried about his countrymen’ or some other nonsensical EXCUSE.
@jaysmooth, I could be wrong, but i tend to beleive that Mosley took a couple of fights with Oscar as apposed to Floyd, partially because Oscar was a bigger payday…AT THE TIME. But the whole way the pay goes is rediculous too. Floyd got WAY less than he should have against ODLH, who had like 3 losses by the time they fought. And Manny getting a possible 50-50 split, when he was fighting not top level guys prior to Cotto, is rediculous.
Yeah. It’s evident that hate is a big number in the political boxing equation.
LMFAO @LilBrown! Tell it like it is, I respect your opinion. Not just saying that, because your assessment of Floyd’s skills is on point. I urge people to put aside their feelings about the fighters’ personality, and judge the craft. Peoples’ judgment get clouded by their discontent for a fighter, and make personal assessments as apposed to truthful ones.
I don`t like to say “boxers ducking other boxers” that is not the case, i believe it all has to do with the promoters, and usually Arum likes things his way, “good old fashion way” and to him having these young and former kids that were once under his wings, negotiating with him some type of offense/disrespecting. Hence why Arum giving Golden Boy/Floyd hard time!
try to ask floyd if he could beat 7 world titles??? if he can makes 8th then he’s the greatest…..
Its very enlightening, as well as entertaining when bloggers list points on the skill sets of fighters. That is good debate. I make no bones about it, I am a Floyd Mayweather fan. His speed, pin point accurate punching, and his ability to adjust on the fly to any situation are just a few of the points that keep me as a fan.
The only thing that will quiet the fanatical Pacquiao fan is a dismantling that will come when they meet face to face in the square circle.
Has anyone EVER seen anything like the “Cult” like atttudes of Pac fans?
I agree with Jaysmooth. People like Manny because he does what they want. He comes out, and gets bloodied up, and takes unnecessary risks, and is wild and exciting. All of these things are entertaining, but not all are in the boxing equation. It also helps that Manny is a complete opposite of Floyd. Yes Floyd is rude, annoying, and immature. But Manny is a slave to the media, and his fan base. He’s like a little pet who performs on demand, singing, and running around acting like a rock star. People adore that, and they get caught up in that, and forget that he drops his rt hand when he throws a hard left, or that he reaches, and beds at the waist to throw an innacurate jab. They look at him throw his hands up when in a scuffle, but forget (or don’t know) to look at his dipspicable footwork. Manny is overrated…mates. Let’s be honest. And all of this against cherry picked opponents. Why should’nt the smaller faster guy look good against nobody’s, has beens, neverwill be’s, shot fighters, smaller guys, guys who can’t punch, but can grapple pretty good (Hatton), and thus and so?
Jay. Again, good points. I think that the difference in weight can be a negotiating point? It would be a fair tradeoff, if say, Floyd Came up to 154, and the taller, naturally bigger fighters drained down. They could use no excuse if they lose, as they are very much bigger than Floyd, but not as good fighters, no question. With regard to what you said about Paul not being a good boxer, I have to disagree. He’s not the PURE boxer that Mayweather, or Mosley is, but he’s comperable to Tommy herns in every way. He’s a tall lanky awkward…bruiser. His reach is insane, and he uses it if he needs a breather, but shys away from no confrontation. It almost seems that when he gets hurt, he get energy, and presses back with a good response of his own. Tommy Herns was nothing pretty, but he hit like a mule kick, as Brother Tyson would say.
@Alexia. I am pretty neutral in this Manny Floyd thing, as I really don’t care for either of them. I lean toward Shane over the two. But I looked at your recent comments. You say things like for Jay to put aside his love for Floyd. Now it is obvious that Jay is a Floyd fan. Nothing wrong with that. I have a problem with casual fans making statements, and not backing them up. Jay has provided pretty accurate facts to back up what he says. Some debateable, but nothing far fetched. You came back with, and I quote
“I can’t help you mate. They’ve messed it up 4 you real bad. Put aside your love for Floyd for a while. That may ease the pain.”
He posed a simple couple of questions regarding the only other fighter to be parallelled to Mayweather right now, and you go into personal stuff. Is your IQ so low, that you cannot answer a simple question? Or is it that Manny actually never beat the same calliper of fighter as Floyd? Could it be that Manny is very overrated, and a technically flawed fighter, who is likeable, and therefore shown favor?
These are simple questions. Keep the answers simple, and on the subject. If you cannot give comments that are intelligent with regard to this sport, why are you in here?
@Jaysmooth, I couldn’t have said it any better. We both agree! We appreciate that lightening quick counter that shocks his opponent, and leaves them wondering just where that came from.
Foot movement that sets up his opponent in a manner resembling a chess match. Boxing is a science, and Mayweather is the ONLY professor on the WW Division.
Come May 1st, let’s all compare the contrast of how Mayweather picks apart a hall of fame fighter, vs. how Pacquiao will struggle to get a decision vs a 6th ranked opponent while taking so much damage his face resembles an alien at the end of the night.
Give mayweather credit he BEAT odlh and moved up to his weight to beat him.
settle down pactards !! ..your boy is one of the best too…hes just over rated !! i say pac is the fighter of the last several years, just not decade..money mayweather would school pacman every time they fought !!
@Alexia
Lol..its not my love for Floyd its the love for the beauty of boxing and the life there after. I don’t like Floyd talking trash but I have a whole hearted dislike for the way people are biased bc of the dislike for a fighter and not respect there skills because of it. What you see when you see Floyd is a real student of boxing exclude the trash talking. If you are a true Boxing fan you really appreciate the Jab, counters, timing, speed, foot and hand speed, adjustment, defense, almost flawless techniques, boxing I.Q and the true understanding of boxing. IF you were teaching a navice boxer the fundamentals or the this is how you do when it comes to boxing he is the person you would want that person to watch. you definently don’t show them brawling tapes and say this is what i want you to do. Its beautiful if you are a true boxing fan. I don’t know or even care to know Floyd but I know he is a one of a kind boxer with a great gift which he has perfected. The same is said of ALI and Sugar Ray Robinson when they were boxing. It is very rare to see what you are seeing in Floyd because everyone wants to see Brawling and Blood.
a FULL COWARD FIGHTER that’s he is…
@ Fighter
I hear you man. But to say he needs to fight Margarito or Winky Wright and Paul Williams these guys are light-middleweights If those chose to come down in weight to fight Floyd maybe he will fight them I dont know. But, what i do see happening if he do fight either of these fighter so everyone saying either of them was weak and not themselves because the came down to welterweight(147) but thats a risk they would have to take to get a piece of the Big Money that Floyd distributes to everyone who fights him. I don’t see him fighting them in any other weight division than 147 with no catchweight..BUT really i don’t see a need to want to fight either of these guys who don’t fight at the welterweight division continiously and the only one that may generate “MONEY” is Marguarito and that may not even been much because he is taunted. No, disrespect to you opinion at all..
Hush now jay, hush, hush. I’ll try and help best I can. Though I figure it would be a long and tedious process. Put your love for Floyd aside for a while and let the healing begin.
But come to think of it, i really think even Shane is too much for Floyd.
@ Alexia says:
March 9, 2010 at 8:09 am
@jaysmooth
I can’t help you mate. They’ve messed it up 4 u real bad. Put aside your love for Floyd for awhile, that may ease the pain.
But keep it simple mate, like remove all this “all time great” stuff and let Floyd and Manny just square it out.
Yeah, you are right you can’t help me because you don’t know boxing. You just don’t like Floyd because he talks trash alot..I don’t like all the trash talking either but its apart of boxing and Sports as a whole. Mike Tyson did it, Ali did it, and Roy Jones still does it. All 3 of these guys were consider the best of their time in there respective weight classes. All of them are also going to be Hall of Famers.
@jaysmooth
I can’t help you mate. They’ve messed it up 4 u real bad. Put aside your love for Floyd for awhile, that may ease the pain.
But keep it simple mate, like remove all this “all time great” stuff and let Floyd and Manny just square it out.
To anyone who wants to comment.
1. Do you think Pacquaio is one of the greatest of all-time?
2. If you answered yest to question 1, could you tell me who he has beaten to prove he is great?
3. who does Pacman have to beat if his is to be considered one of the best?
Because all i hear is how Floyd needs to be Paul Williams(who isn’t a good boxer), Pacquiao(who is ducking him) and Shane Mosley( who ducked him for almost a decade) but is now fighting him.
Who else does he needs to fight? Is it Valerio, Yuri, who? I don’t know how much more can this guy do to prove that he is p4P the best of this generation regardless of what voters have said, bc the two years he missed really hurt him during the voting..
You can’t hate his guy because he make boxing look so easy and simple and he doesn’t want to brawl and blooded when he doesn’t have to..
JAY. Well said. I agree with most. The only query I would like for him to have answered, was that of taller more difficult to fight guys like Margarito (May turned down nice $) or Winky, or the late Forest. He did however, fight the long, and late Coralles, so I see your point. I think alot of these people get blinded by their discontent for the man, and overlook his accomplishments. Again, I don’t like him (don’t know him on a personal level either), but there’s no denying his skill, accomplishments, and contribution to the sport.
@jaysmooth
I think you got it all wrong mate
Technically, Manny is boring. He abandons the fundamentals of boxing, and flys all over the place doing silly stuff, that if he did against a REAL boxer, would get destroyed.
To the writer of the Garbage. I see you have been busy watching too many fairy-tales and not enough boxing. You named Baldimoir, Judah and Mitchell. You didn’t ment Genaro Hernandez was a hell of a boxer during the time when Floyd and Oscar Came through. He only had to loses when he retired and those two loses where to Floyd and Oscar. You also didn’t mention Angel Manfredy who in 1998 was one of the best boxers in super Featherweight division. Floyd destroyed and defended his WBC belt seven consecitive times which included a victory agains UNDEFEATED Diego Corales who was a great up and coming boxer. He also went on the defeat Carlos Hernandez who was as skilled as it get during this time in the division, he was the first person to floor mayweather. Then he went on to defeat Castillo twice. Yeah you can say one was controversial but so was the first Marquez vs Pacquiao. thats boxing you have judges who look for different things..Then he went on to beat Henry Brusless and DeMarcus Corley within 7 months of each other at 140. If you can remember DeMarcus Corley had great hand speed and power and Floyd beat him convincingly and Brusless was a tough gritty Puerto Rican fighters and Floyd Knocked him out. Then he went on to beat Auturo Gatti someone with the heart of a lion and would bang with anybody and Floyd Stopped him. But that was the beginning of what we now know the really MONEY Mayweather bc the fight with Gatti was all about money. He beat Mictell and Zab Judah, both of these fighters were hard hitters with very fast hands and feet yet Floyd was Hit hard early by both of them but he eventually figured them out and destroyed them both. Baldimoir was a true beast and hard nose fighter who had not been beaten in 8 years before Floyd brutually beat him and took two belts. Then came the Money fights and the large PPV fights with Hatton, De La HOya and even Marquez got over 1 million PPVs after Floyd came out of retiremnt.
OH, and lets not forget Shane Mosley.. Yeah, he ducked Floyd for years and please don’t mention Paul Williams or Miguel Cotto bc when Floyd was calling these people out, neither of them put there names in the hat bc they were not ready and need more training.
What i have just done for you ignorant, bias clowns who says Floyd hasn’t fought anyone and has been ducking the big fight, i have laid it all out for you. The boxers he has fought name speak for themselves. Look at Pacman resume and can you name 5 fighters that can compare to any of the 5 fighters that Mayweather has fought according to time and weight division. I but you can not..
And by the way Pacman didn’t beat anyone to come the P4P champion or even the best boxer. It was given to him because Floyd retired. So, if the King decides to come back and take his throne, he reigning King must defend his throne by any means necessary and not run away from a fight.
I feel the same way, that he’s all mouth, until he puts on a clinic against a fighter who is…prior to their fight, well regarded. JMM was a ranked, and well spoken of fighter. Now what is he? I know Floyd brings this animosity onto himself with his flamboyant mouth, but he does back it up. I mean, you can’t call yourself a REAL BOXING fan, when you look at his last 3 performances. ODLH, which he just hit at will for 12 rounds, making a great boxer in his time, look like a sparring partner. Then you have Hatton, which he ko’ed. Knockouts are boring now…OOKK. Then he puts Marquez on the canvas, and controls him for 12 str8 rounds.That’s boring? Maybe you should cross over to UFC. They have spectacular fights, with 50 year olds who have as many wins as losses…but it’s entertaining right?
Floyd’s really boring, it can’t be helped. Great article by the way.
It just seems funny to me, that Floyd is under such a lens all the time. Other boxers have said these things, and others have been as, if not more vocal than him. So why does everybody hate him so much. I know my reasons. He’s arrogant, a nacisist, immature, and seems to be all about money. What a korny handle, ‘Money May.’ But I still have enough sense to acknowledge his contributions to this generation of the sport. I mean, it’s fair to say that he’s a modern day version of one of the four horseman. Yet people try to discredit him. THIS, is whathurts the sport. Not his style, not his mouth, not PED’s. But the minimalization of the accomplishments of one of the best boxers of this era, should not be done hastily.
A man will rise up when pushed and his back against the wall. Mayweather’s no different. But let’s see what his made of (other than hot air), whether his made of really great stuff.
For the moment, he’s just a boring loudmouth.
Once Floyd fights Mosley, and Manny, possibly Paul, by then, Berto will be primed. Will he have to fight him too? What If Sergio is unbeaten until then, will he be next? How about the U.S olympic team…all at once?
Mosley, Pacqiuiao and Williams… you beat all these guys Floyd then yeah, sure, your the best.
talk about records, floyd was a just a bronze medalist in the olympics compared to ODLH gold….. he suffered defeats as an amateur….. so how can he be the best fighter of all time given you line of argument. got beaten by Castillo who was cheated at the cards.
its easy to look good and skillfull fighting B class opponents.
Line em up Mosley Pac. Cotto Margarito Williams. If he beats them all then you may have a case. Given Valero has a perfect record and 100% knockout record as well, you can argue the same. but until he fights the top 5 in his weigh class or higher you arguments simply will not hold.
Rule makes a very good point. No matter if we like him or not, one cannot dispute the skill of this man, and yet, many try to. They try and pit him against obvious lesser skilled boxers like Pacquiao. Pacquiao may be exciting, but he has losses to lesser fighters. And even though I dislike Mayweather’s attitude, I have to agree with what Rule says about Floyd never getting credit. After he beat ODLH, they said he was too old, which is a stretch, considering Oscar looked like himself, and fought well, but just got outboxed. They said that Hatton would crush him, then when the opposite happened, they said he was too small. When he baet Marquez, they said he was too slow, and that the 2 LBS Mayweather came in over was ALL the difference in the fight. And I can see it now; After he beats this technically flawed Pacquiao, they will say he was too small, and that Floyd needs to fight Paul Williams. And should he beat him, it’ll be suggested that he fight V. Klitchko to be considered the best. I think an argument can be made that he has been selective about his competition..I mean what is Shamba Mitchel like 4’11″? But I also see that he has fought some many top guys in his era. I also see that this argument can no longer be made, as he will fight Shane, who is a World classer. Say what you want about his age (which the haters will say he was sshot if he loses) but he utterly, and violently dispatched of Antonio Margarito, one of the most feared and avoided fighters of this era in the WW class.
There’s no reason to go on speculating about who is the best of all time, when the man is still fighting. OF COURSE he’s gonna say he’s the best. In a sport that is so cognitive, why would he not make himself, and those around him, beleive he is great, and then he goes out and puts on a great performance. The power of the spoken word is immense, especially if you’re a bible follower. If you continually speak something…in many instances, it becomes truth. In other words, maybe he’s just amping himself up. It seems to have worked up until now.
Iin this fight, I’m going for Shane. But to be a part of this generation of boxing history is exciting no matter who wins. Shane is already great, so he’s a shoe in. But as for me, I’ll sit back and enjoy the show, and reminisce about today’s best, tomorrow.
RULE: You are right on the money. 100% CORRECT.
Floyd is a legend in his own mind. I believe he is the best fighter right now but he is not proving himself as such. If he beats Mosley he still has to beat Pac (who I believe is over-hyped)and Pwill, then he will cement his legitimacy as the best P4P in this era. He might then be third behind Sugar Ray Robinson and Ali.
You have to say you are the best. If you don’t believe its hard to achieve. I feel that Floyd has a great skill set. 17 and 0 in Championship fights. Defensive guru. He beats Shane and Manny that will be 4 future Hall of famers in his last 5 fights. He has a good argument but Sugar Ray Robinson is Pound for Pound the best fighter to ever live. 127-1? 202 total fights. Fighters fight as soon and often as possible. Floyd fights once maybe twice a year. He’s been carefuly picking his opponents. Now he’s fighting a fight that the people want. He has answered all his critics. When he beats Shane and Manny people will still make excuses. The fact is if Floyd retires undefeated he will always have a good argument….
Yeah Mayweather’s status will be confirmed long after PBF retires. And for that matter… Pacquiao’s “legacy” will be confirmed by then.
Mayweather is never the best fighter of all time, he is technically gifted but you would have more fun watching paint dry than this guy fight, if he wants to be considered the best fighter ever he should be far more offensive and let us see what he is really all about.
You know they will never give that man credit. After he beats Shane they will say he’s too old and after he beats Pacquio they will say he is too small. I think people will only really appreciate it when Floyd is gone and they start going on about “no one in boxing these days can avoid punches like Mayweather”. Same think happened to Ali. Notice how during Ali’s time everyone disagreed with him being the best. Trust me on this one day you will all miss that big mouth and defensive skills of Floyd who in my eyes is the greatest of all time, and i am glad to be growing up in the same generation as this talented individual.
he’s the most talented in this era but your only good as your wins and opponents so i think he needs to beat mosley pacquiao cotto and win a title at middleweight to be a true ATG