Can anyone seriously hurt Pacquiao?
March 18th, 2010
By Mark Chapman: On the back of Manny Pacquiao’s convincing victory over Joshua Clottey at the weekend, it begs me to wonder if there is anyone out there actually capable of seriously hurting the diminutive Filipino.
Much has been said about Pacquiao’s poor defence and that the likes of Mayweather would destroy him, but when you look at Pacquiao’s recent opponents, namely big strong hitters like Cotto and Clottey, everything those guys have had to offer – which, let’s be honest, did include some sporadic powerful hits, were merely brushed aside with that trademark shake of the head. I remember Cotto’s big right jab, left uppercut combination catching Manny and thinking wow, yet he shook his head, knocked his gloves together and went straight back on the offensive.
However, we still can’t hide the fact that Clottey did manage to land a few tasty blows – blows which may have been too much for another fighter and at the end of the fight, Pacquiao’s face looked a lot more punished than Clottey’s – which is remarkable when you look at the fight statistics but much less so when you look at the tactics of both fighters. Yet Pacquiao took them all with ease.
This begs the question. With the so called ‘big hitters’ out of the way, who is there left to do what these guys failed so miserably in doing? Putting Pacquiao to the sword…Mayweather? If I’m being completely honest, I just don’t think so. Floyd is no big hitter and I honestly fail to see how he could lay Manny out with one crushing blow. Undoubtedly, that wouldn’t be Mayweather’s tactic on the night, he would defend, duck, cover and counter – hoping that his quick counters would prove too much for Manny over the twelve rounds, but I genuinely feel that the Philipino would be too much even for Floyd. Both fighters are lightning quick and Floyd’s shoulder roll defence is a work of art, but Roach has stated that they have already worked out how to combat that and who would argue with him?
Sure, a clash between these two is what everyone wants to see, it offers everything that the world has arguably never seen before and never will again -‘The Perfect Fight’. Mayweather would cover up, he would have to, there’s no way even he could take a constant battering from Pacquiao – but where Clottey failed so badly, Mayweather certainly wouldn’t. Mayweather would counter Pacquiao much better than Clottey did, and it’s these quick counters that he’s capable of that In my view would take the fight the entire distance and to an extremely close judging decision which Pacquiao would take based on sheer aggression.
Of course I may be running way ahead of myself here, after all, there’s still the small matter of the May 1st Mosley fight to settle yet, but I’m sure that will go as planned resulting in a Mayweather victory culminating in immense pressure to make the Pacquiao fight happen. However, we all know that things are never cut and dried in boxing, especially when it comes to Mayweather, so there is still the very realistic possibility that this fight will never happen, which let’s face it would be a total crime. We can only hope.
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pac always does what other fighters cant do, dominate his opponents. imagine if it was floy fighting clottey. clottey would be charging in with his clam shell defense and floy backing out, rolling his shouler unnecessarily and running around like a chicken. the half full stadium would be empty half way into the fight with the crowd booing and throwing tomatoes to floy the fraud..that would be hilarious..he will declare himself in the empty stadium as..the best!! the best fighter of the decayed!! hehehe
mugshot
nobody with any credibility ever said clottey was great BEFORE he fought manny… he was and always be a b-level fighter !!..clottey has never beat a top fighter.. the only people braging him up were pactards like you !! clottey has always fought the same way…thats why they choose him…easy fight plus top rank fighter…
one thing sure: Mayweather will beat one-dimensional Pacquiao to look like an amateur after the fight. Statistics.
Pac throws 1200, connect 120 = 10% rate
Floydie unleases 600 landed 240 = 40% rate
Another thing : Mosley can unload devastating blows to Pac shaky head to a full KO worse than Mosley did to Margacheato.
I think that all of you will be surprised when the young mexican 19-year old undefeated with a record of 31-0 with a KO percentage 72% hits the MGM Grand on May first. This youngster is tough, with a powerfull punch and quick as a mongoose. He will fight in the Mosley/mayweather event on May 1st against Matt Hatton, it will be his first fight in the USA. Golden Boy signed him for three big fights this year, he may fight Pacman by the end of the year, and even Mayweather before Pacman, but I think that this boy will Reign on the welter weights. His name is Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez, a red haired mexican, remember that name since that boy will SERIOUSLY hurt anybody!!
Let’s not insult every ones intelligence here! But the mere fact that articles are being published by the media and people react every time Pacquiao fight without publicity in the ring is a testimony of his greatness.
While on the other hand, the self proclaimed and his clan only has excuses, allegations and antics to offer….. Seriously, it has becoming a mere bore to boxing followers like me.
Of coarse he can get hurt … just look at what that bum clottey did to his face !! When is the last time you seen me look like that ?? If a “tomato can” can do that to manny, imagine what i will do to him !! Thats why manny fights stand in front of him kinda fighters .. Its easy to throw over 1000 punches when hardly nothings coming back at you…Look at what the very few punches clottey threw did to face …The difference between me and clottey is i would actualy fight back !! All you pactards better polish up your bag of excuses for when i beat manny even worse than i beat marquez !!
@ Haku313 you’re as stupid as a pig which is true since you are as fat as your moma! You’re saying that Pac has not yet fought a good boxer all are just bums. then you can call all fighter bums and go kill yourself since you are worthless fool. You claim that you are in the service oh go to hell. I bet you’re still staying at your moma’s house. your idol floyd didn’t fought any fighter that can beat him all are bums, or from lighter weight. you should not watch boxing fool, go read your comic book.
The Rock knows Manny has fought the top fighter of his class. And the biggest in boxing history, Manny Pacquiao has the most lineal titles in boxing history…(flyweight, featherweight, junior lightweight, and junior welterweight). And pretty soon he will add welterweight. Not even Floyd Jr owns thats much….btw he owns 2.
In the Philippines we use our hands to fight and our mouth for eating! JR. you will never beat PACMAN with your big mouth! If you want to figjht then fight PACMAN squarely on the ring if you think you are the best boxer that you think you are. Otherwise shut your big mouth and just enjoy your money.
Floyd will get hurt on May 1st. It will be his last fight.
well pac already said that if floyd does not win he will fight mosley!
I’m as big a critic as the next. I understand the reasoning behind picking Clottey. That being said Pac’s next fight has to be the winner of Mosley/Mayweather, or there will be hell. At the very least he has to show strong effort in making it happen.
to answer the question…. Can anyone seriously hurt Pacquiao?
I don’t think there are any WW that can seriously hurt Pacquiao. But beating him? That’s a possibility. Mayweather and Mosley can beat Pacquiao.
The real question is can anyone hurt Floyd. Manny has 3 loses already, and has been ko’d, and trust me if he sticks around much longer his lack of defense will be exposed by the welter elite. Mannys resume is more impressive at lightweight than at welter, so don’t kid yourself because he’s had handpicked welters up to now. Name one great welter he has beaten. The two best welters in the world are squaring off come may 1, and until he beats one or the other how can he be considered the best at welterweight. I don’t blame team pacquiao for taking the path of least resistance at welter, and if you’ve been paying any attention to roach you’ve noticed at one time or another he has said that mayweather and mosley are too much for pacquiao. First he advised manny that they would need more time to prepare for mayweather, so it’s no mystery why the fight was non-negotiable. Then he flat out said Shane was too good, so the question is not can someone hurt him but when.
Floyd is not gonna get a lot of oppurtunity to counterpunch due to the fact that, he is very defensive minded, he doesnt like to open up as much and most importantly, Pacquiao’s punch output is spectacular. Yes he has flaws, but who doesn’t, no fighter is perfect, including Mayweather. Pacquaio may be hit, but he has a great chin, he will continue with his work rate and punch output to win the fight by UD.
@Ryan Dunn
Thank you for answering the question straight forward and honestly, that is all I wanted. He has had amazing success. He is truely gifted and talented. But the fact is he’s a flawed fighter. And I believe a skilled counterpuncher will expose that.
@wowzabean
No we cannot take back who he fought. But honestly, do you see those fighters that he did recently fight follow this “trend” people are seeing? I dont believe they are bums, but they are not fighting at their peak anymore. And I see them having issues due to his speed, not a big increase in skill. The interesting thing would be seeing who he fights next. If he fights someone who moves well and dominates them as well, all of the previous arguments are done.
Marquez cannot fight good in any weight devision above lightweight. When he fought mayweather, we moved up in weight and Mayweather was also fined for being over the catchweight. Marquez put on a lot of weight and was slow and therefore his punches did not carry enough power. Nacho Berstein kept mentioning that Marquez needed to increase his speed as he was slow. Floyd was comfortable in that division therefore performed well.
Exactly. Mayweather I think, doesn’t have what it takes to defeat the smaller man that he referred to as a one dimensional fighter that he could just easily beat. The truth is, if Floyd is not scared to lost his 0, We would not be talking about the if’s anymore. All questions have been answered already because march 13 was supposed to be the D-day.
I’m just saying, you’re the one who said he fought “bums”, I’m telling you why that is. If Pacquiao lost to ODLH, Hatton, or Cotto this conversation wouldn’t be happening. The fact of the matter is hindsight is 20/20. You can’t claim he should have had better opposition before he proved his skills as a boxer, skills which clearly you bloggers say he lacks. After those wins, now he should have fought someone else? Someone better? That doesn’t make sense.
Haku, take a look at Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez, he will be the answer to the question ‘can anyone hurt Pacman’? This boy is 19 years old and tough, he will fight may 1st for the first time in the USA, everyone, look out for that youngster!!
PAC is just an amazing fighter. Small in size yet very good on outgunning bigger opponents. This is why we love to watch him. It’s more fun to watch a smaller guy beating up on a bigger guy than the other way around which by the way Floyd vs. JMM bout as an example in that case.
@Ryan
Manny is an amazing story, no doubt it. He has accomplished great things. I’m not taking anything away from the man because in in the military and ive been to the Phillipines. I know how it is over there, believe me. So, for him to do something positive with his life; he has my respect. But, again; we’re debating on a professional level and its ok to disagree. All i’m saying is i would like to see Manny face someone who has momemtum and a style that would be challenging to Pac. Not the same type fighters. Call it what you want but since 2003 he has faced slow, stand still type fighters. Some washed up; not all. But all with the same style.
@Val
Come on man JMM was ranked #2 P4P and Hatton was #3 P4P… Stop it bruh….
@ryan
And as far as the Internet Gangster role goes, you can have that son. So, keep making yourself feel tough behind that screen of yours. You win, your fingers are tougher than me….LOL
@ Haku
Hmm..Miguel Cotto #3 ranked WW and Clottey #5 ranked WW. Hatton at the time #1 ranked LWW. These guys are ranked. Who has Mayweathe fought that was ranked? Ricky Hatton was not ranked WW or was JMM.
So you get your facts straight. Pacquaio only fights the best. Next up will be #2 or #3 ranked WW, Mayweather or Mosley respectively.
And one last thought for HAKU…
The whole POINT about Pacquiao is that he is the opposite of Mayweather. Floyd was born into boxing, groomed by his father and uncle and family to be a fighter his whole entire life. He was the star quarterback of the sport, destined to succeed. He spent over three years in golden gloves fighting and training. He went to the Olympics and won a medal.
Meanwhile, here’s Pacquiao, fighting for the honor of his boxing friend who died, trying to make $10 from a fight to win food for his family. He had nothing, came from nothing, knew nothing about the in’s and out’s of the game. But he had a natural talent, something worth watching. And then he explodes on the scene with a TKO of Barrera, one of the P4P kings of that time?
His rise has been sudden, meteoric, and it started in 2003. The thing is, his star is still rising. Who would have thought an Asian boxer would rile the adoration of so many Americans? What is the allure about Pacquiao? How can he sell 1 million PPV buys against a Puerto Rican? How can he sell over 50,000 tickets in Texas against a Ghanian opponent? It’s a phenomenon, and it’s a spectacle, and you’re a fool to deny it. (If you truly do, deep down of course).
Mayweather has been an established name for some time, fighting at a high level all of his adult life. It might by why he’s so jaded about Pacquiao having the crown on his head right now. Floyd believes it is his to possess, and his fans (like you) agree whole-heartedly. How could a Filipino who barely speaks the language hold a crown Floyd left behind when he retired?
…ryan
@Wow
I am happy to give straight answers.
1. My post citing their undefeated opponents had no comment on quality of opposition, I was aggregating statistics from both of their boxing records.
2. No, I don’t think Amy of the undefeateds Manny beat were better than either Corrales OR Hatton.
3. I don’t give much credence to being u defeated in the first place, and Mayweather is no exception.
Sorry if you got the impression that I avoid questions here. It’s possible I might miss a co
ment or two though.
…ryan
His name is Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez. ‘Canelo’ means in english ‘cinammon head’ or somehat, because of his red hair. that youngest has a punch, see some of this fights in youtube, he is too young right now I think he needs more experience but i think that he will be the one who will hurt Pacman and anyone else.
@wowzabean
I’ll ignore you cause you have no arguement here…. and what does his childhood have to do who he’s fought in the ring….Hell, mike tyson had rough childhood. so lets not use his childhood when debating his Professional accomplishments. I think Pacmans a good fighter, I just dont think he all that like some of you clearly do.
@Haku
Were debating both fighters. You don’t think that the 90 fights and lifetime of training weighs into this? Manny came into pro boxing cold so his losses are different.
My problem isn’t you lying it is you discrediting any and all of pacquiaos accomplishments. It’s extremely ignorant to say that Barrera, Marquez, and Morales are merely stat inflators. They ate hall of fame boxers man. even if they weren’t peaking the day Manny fought them (debatable) they would still have annihilated 95% of the competition.
Just give Manny credit and I’ll have less issue with your blind support for Mayweather (who, by the way, is also a hall of fame boxer).
@junior jay
Thank you. Everyone overlooks the obvious as BoxingHistory has stated. He accomplished a lot. He jumped from weight division to weight division picking out the slower opponents with belts to increase his stats. I can’t say that wasnt a bad idea. It was genius, I mean it fooled most of the people here. But some people mistake that for him being unbeatable now. They say he’s grown so much because he uses two hands and moves around more. That is true. But when someone points out he still has horrible defense and when he throw’s he’s off balance and a good counterpuncher will take advantage of it his fans go crazy! He’s a very good fighter and it would probably serve him best to stay around 140+. But dont think for a second he cant be beat or hurt. He just simply fought people whom his trainer thought he could beat due to his speed and output. In my educated opinion, if for one second Roach was sure he’d beat Mayweather or Mosley he would have been made the fight. I believe Roach see’s a possible loss, and he will not risk that until he has to. He does not have to do that right now because Pacquaio could say “I dont want to fight black people” and his fans would still find a positive spin on it. He has the power to fight whom he chooses to and will still have a big following. None of this is his fault, he’s just a fighter. Its just funny to see how people wont open up their mind and look at things from the other side. Its always two sides to an argument.
Ryan Dunn, do you honestly believe the undefeated fighters Manny has defeated were better at that time than the undefeated fighters Floyd beat at that time? None of that *look the other way because you throw some other argument at me to get away from the question* stuff. I’ve noticed you do that a few times. So can you kindly and honestly answer my question? A straight answer would be appreciated…
LUIGI whats the dudes name that sounds intersting
RYAN you win and lose in training. he didnt even move as effectivly in the pac fight. I think he saw manny as a lil dude and just tried to walk through him and well we all know what happened lol. i understand what your saying but look at cotto he went from unstoppable to less than great in two fights. I just dont like that the guys hes fighting are not coming off Huge wins Oscar beats forbes, hatton beat malinaggi, and cotto got a big gift over clottey who face back after a loss. so freddie roach seems to be picking the rt guy at the rt time. not pacs fault he just fights who they put infront of him but i think it hurts him a lil.
@Ryan
Are we debating amateur background or professional? You posted your facts and posted mine. How am i being biased? I posted the undefeated guys that both fought. Did i Lie? And as far cumulative records, im sure Pacquiao’s numbers are inflated due to the fact he faught both Morales and Barrera three times and Marquez twice. So, if you add their wins im sure it looks good to someone who doesnt know boxing.
Ryan, brings up the BIGGEST point. NO AMATEUR CAREER! Read that last sentence again. He didn’t come from a boxing family, he didn’t have a 5 star trainer, he didn’t have the tools at his disposal that most American fighters, let alone any fighter has. He fought in back alleys at the age of 14 for $2 a fight. Still the guy is at the top of his game. Geez, sometimes you’d think you’re arguing w/world champion boxers here……….
Best article I have read on here for a while. Fair analysis of Pacquiao, yes he has flaws but that part of his style. And yes Mayweather is a great boxer with a good defense. They are made for each other. The perfect attack versus the perfect defense.
This fight could basically save boxing. Am I getting too excited?
I don’t know if anyone has heard of a 19-year old, red haired mexican welter weight, who is i think 37 and 0, 29 KO’s???
Well we was just signed by Golden Boy for three fihgts in the States, he will fight on May first against Matt Hatton, Rikcy’s brother in the Mayweather/Mosley event. That 19 year old will Reign over anynone in the welter weight division, some say he will beat Pacman before he turns 21. See it for yourself on May 1st, after that will come Mayweather.
WOW and boxing history said my argument exactly. they know what they are doing. Freddie roach ” size doesnt win fights skill does” so im not as impressed as I once was. good fighter but they didnt wanna fight mosley cuz he couldnt make 140? but fight cotto after that week fight w clottey. i know he had a belt so let him be the eight time champ but done call him p4p until he fights a p4p fighter instead of gettting sensative and trying to sue. lol they hurt his feelings
It’s true, try it. Just look in the mirror and say the words “Blood Test” three times. He will appear, foaming at the mouth.
Those who have felt his roid rage say he’s unforgiving. He throws over 1200 punches none stop.
@Haku
I forgot to add… so Hatton goes from amazing to old in two fights huh? How about Hatton had to come up in weight to face a bigger Mayweather, then went back down to destroy Malignaggi, then stayed down at his natural weight to get his ass WHOOPED by Pacquiao?
Don’t give me that “oh he wasn’t the same after Mayweather,” BS either. He might have gotten caught by Lazcano in the fight he won 11 rounds to 1, but that only reaffirmed the gameplan for beating him, something Mayweather could barely exploit given his far superior boxing skills right?
…ryan
@wowzabean
Here you with this soft st about how manny grew up and this and that. Like he’s the only person who grew up rough. I give credit where its due. Manny is a good fighter not great. And we’re not debating his personal background. We’re debating his professional career. And when did facts become ignorant? If you dont like what i posted feel free to try and prove me wrong. If you can….
wowzabean….said “I’m a boxing fan period, I call it like I see it.”
You’re a freaking blind then. bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
@WOWZABEEN
Here you go with your st. So, when did facts become ignorant? You’re ignorant for that response. The fact of the matter is that they were/are in fact BUMS! If you dont like it, too bad! Prove me wrong!!!!
haku,
Just cut it out already. Just because you never heard of them, they’re bums? I’d like to see you get in the ring. Pacquiao didn’t grow up in America, he had to dig his trenches to get to where he is now, fighting bigger names. Give credit where it’s due man, you sound so ignorant, especially after that post.
Best article I’ve seen on this site. Well balanced without any bias.
I also think Pacquiao could be too much for Mayweather. Maywather’s only option would be to catch Pacquiao with a punch that he didn’t see (like when he knocked Hatton into the corner post). I just don’t think that will happen. He will need to spend too much time in defence against Pacquiao.
Well in both the Cotto and the Clottey fight Pacquiao said those punches hurt. The thing is he has a real mental toughness about him that’s hard to beat in the ring. Imagine pounding someone w/your best shots, but the guy seemingly shrugs it off and keeps attacking. Your moral shoots down. Pacquiao said “I tried to made it look like it didn’t hurt, but it really hurt” after the Cotto fight, of course in broken english. Mayweather isn’t the type looking for a KO so I don’t think that will have adverse affects for him.
If Pacquiao can eat his jabs and keep going in, it’ll be a long fight.
hes been knocked out twice… duh. Anyone who knows boxing knows he only beat marquez because of dodgy top rank judges
@Ryan
You sit there and yalk about the undefeated fighters Pacquiao has faced. So, let get into it:
Rocky Palma was 4-0….Wow!!!! Big win…
Medgeon Sinsurat was 18-0… He beat Pacman by KO… (no rematch) wonder why…
Seung Chae 23-0… Wow!!!! Big Win….
Nadel Hussein 19-0…Wow!!! Big Win….
Emmanuel Lacero 21-0 Wow!!!! Big Win…
So you see RYAN… these are the type of fighters Pacman has feasted on his entire career. BUMS!!!!!! So, yeah he’s faced more undefeated fighters than Floyd but the level of competition is a JOKE!
As for Mayweather….He faced Diego Corrales when he was undefeated and He beat Ricky Hatton when he was undefeated (first to knock hatton down). Pacquiao’s biggest wins have come against OLD, washed up, slow, Bums! Now, if you care to post anymore of your so called facts, i’ll be glad to slap you in the face with reality AGAIN!!!!
floyd wont get out pointed by manny…easy to throw 1200 punches when your opponent hardly fights back !! floyd will dominate and more than likely stop pac-fraud late !! manny will get desperate late and get ktfo !! it will be mayweather marquez, but even worse …you tards better have your usual bag of excuses ready for when floyd beats shane, then hes comin for manny this fall !! pacaiuo on his best day , roids or no roids, cant beat the skill mayweather has …
@BoxingHistory
Its not obvious when you’re only focusing on the positives about Pacquiao. Only a handful of posters on this site look at both sides of the equation with an open mind. And when you ask the others to look at it another way they either fly off with some idiot insult or they flat out ignore your question. Can anyone seriously hurt Pacquaio? Are you serious? So the man is a God now and cant be hurt? Of course he can. Sounds like you all are looking for 1 punch to drop Pacquaio. Doesnt take that to hurt him. How do you know he wasnt hurt before? Because he didnt say he was hurt and he did clapped his hands together? But you think Clottey was hurt because he didnt throw back? Thats the double standards that are used for Pacquiao. It HAS to be a positive thing or an excuse for him if something looks bad. Yet if another fighter does the same or looks bad it HAS to be due to Pacquaio. You guys say Mayweather nut huggers, but Pacquaio’s are way more in numbers and post way more negative posts towards other boxers than anyone else. If someone posts a simple question about him and its not 100% positive you guys freak out and start name calling. How bout we answer the question and have a real debate.
Now on to the real question. Yes he can be seriously hurt. Will it be by one punch, probably not. Can Mayweather do it, yes by effective counterpunching over the course of the fight. Can Mosley do it, yes by effective counterpunching over the course of the fight. Can Pacquaio beat both of them, yes by effective punching and pressure over the course of the fight. Can they all take a hit, yes.
The answer isnt keep making him fight a bigger stronger guy. Thats exactly what his camp wants you to think, you have to have him in there with a bigger guy, so he can fight the same style fighter and do the same thing. His fighting style give problems to bigger opponents that are slower, yet people keep hyping up him fighting bigger stronger guys. Your gonna get the same result each time. He’s too fast. If he wants a challenge he’ll fight someone who’s fast like him, not someone who’s just big and strong. This has been said a million times yet its falling on deaf ears. And its because his fans wont hear anything but positive things about him.
Yes he’s accomplished great things, I can admit that. I dont believe you can be fighter of the decade with losses in the decade, unless they are against fighters who are in the running for the same award. Erik Morales won how many fights after he beat him? But anyways thats a whole nother topic….
@ Boxinghistory You are right in your analysis that Floyd will not give Pacquiao a chance to hit him continuously, but you can not win fights by running alone and just giving potshots. Floyd will be outpointed if that will be the case, just like Clottey. At some point in time he will need to score some points. If he engages in a toe to toe fight, that is the only way he can truly fight Pacquiao on points, but he will be knocked down eventually. Either way, I do not see Floyd beating Pacquiao on toe to toe or on being prolific on points. He has to fight him in the ring without running away like a chicken or posing like a turtle.
@wowzabean
I don’t have any argument that both scenarios are possible, my article outlines how each can win, in my most educated assessment. Stay tuned…
…ryan
ryan,
For sure, I’ll wait for that article. Not saying it can’t be done, but based on the styles of the fights I’m not too sure. I guess I’ll see after the May 1st fight, it might change my mind.
Ryan Dunn,
If Pacquiao was on PEDs it would explain a lot about what all you guys are arguing about.
Good article,
remember that Pac knows what it means to be hurt, in the past you can see what happened with his face when Pac did fight Morales and Juan manuel m. as well Miguel Cotto. He can take some punches and take the fight back to him; I really hope for the fight Pac and Pbf jr.
@ HAKU313
You do a disappearing act when you can no longer defend your boy or you can no longer counter, LOL! It’s a proven pattern with your same old bull. You can only ride it for as long as you can then you backtrack and start at the beginning once again. The word for it is “INSANITY”…. Stop chasing your own tail and go look in the dictionary and get the meaning of the word.
Ryan Dunn is the dude when you need to say something. When I can’t muster the proper words and language, I just read Ryan’s comments and I say to myself “I second that, it’s exactly what I wanted to say” LOL!
Much Respect
A guy walking through punches, 12 rounds none stop aggression, and throwing over 1200 punches, that’s a classic case of PEDs.
@ryan
Man Please! Before 2003 can you name any of Pacquiao’s opponents? And you’re comparing Morales to Mayweather!? You must be smoking crack! You want to go facts? I’ll be glad to take it there, give me a moment and i will gladly end this debate….
UpPacquiao’sArse.. you’re pretty dumb. Mosley lost to Cotto. PERIOD. Don’t make it sound that Mosley would beat Pacquiao like walking at the park. duhhhhhhh
@Ryan
A 2005 Floyd is better than a 2005 Morales
A 2010 Floyd would wipe the floor with a prime Morales of any year.
Manny’s target has to be right in front of him to throw 8 punch combinations. Floyd will give him movement. He will try to throw 3 punches and Floyd would move. This fight would frustrate Manny so much because Floyd is not going to accommodate his wishes for him to stay there and just be on the receiving end. What’s funny to me is everyone talks about all the weird angles Manny throws his punches from but fail to understand that Floyd uses angles also. Floyd’s jab will keep Manny from charging in and his straight right will get Manny’s respect early. Manny is an offensive fighter with no defense. If u watched the Clottey fight Manny was wide open for counters all night but since Clottey chose to absorb his punches and stay right in front of him..he was not able to capitalize. If u watch Manny’s footwork when he throws his combinations coming forward..one of his legs is always off the canvas…go back and pay attention…If u get hit with a punch and u are balancing on one leg then what do u think will happen? Manny will hit the canvas when Floyd hits him. He may not be hurt but he will get knocked down. Its just comes down to a matter of technique. I’m not hating on Manny…I’m just stating the obvious.
wowzabean… blah blah blah blah. Same old crap from De la Hoya to Clottey. You’re just a bunch of clowns like your idol Floyd.
WHERE’S DAVID LAHR. I miss that dork.
jb,
I don’t know man. Give PBF credit, he’s a great defensive boxer. Roach says it’ll go the whole way too, but deep down he knows Manny has to either KO him, or score some knock downs similar to the JMM fight. Unlike Clottey, missed punches w/Mayweather will be a lot more discernible. It’ll hit air and shoulder, so you can tell a missed punch.
If it goes to the final bell, I’d have to put Mayweather by decision, again, unless Pacquiao can score some knock downs. Which, the past has shown will not be easy. I see the fight either going Mayweather by decision (SD), or Pacquiao by KO/TKO. Ryan, opinions on this?
Mark Chapman,
Have you considered the possibility that Pacquiao is taking PEDs? This could be the answer you are looking for.
My earlier question because it is directly related to this one:
Is Pacquiao 2010 better than Pacquiao 2005?
…ryan
@ RYAN DUNN…….Man, I agree with your posts 100%. you hit it right on the button.
Who says Pacquiao can’t win a decision against Mayweather? He might have to when Floyd goes into survival mode. Pacquiao will not look for the knockout. He will look for his opportunities to land…..the knockout will come. If not he will be outworking Floyd in the meantime, and Floyd will become more and more defensive looking to hang on and go the distance.
Ryan,
OOoh, brutal question LOL. Pacquiao is one of those fighters that needed that loss I think. It made him stronger, more resilient. After the 2nd Marquez fight Roach said Manny trained harder than ever to improve his skills. All these quality fights came at a cost, but developed Pacquiao into the force he is today.
Mayweather can neutralize Pacquiao’s punches better than any other fighter out there. The question is how will he react to the ones that land? And trust me, they will land. It’ll come down to getting points for Mayweather vs. Pacquiao looking at a KO. I really want to see it happen.
On a side note. WTF? Is it April Fool’s? I read 2 decent articles on this site today. I’ll check the URL again later………
Shane better pass this Olympics style drug testing. His head has always looked bloated to me. I believe he used PEDs for quite a while. Vernon Forrest said on ESPN a few years back that Shane was on steroids. I believe he felt that way judging from what he’s seen of Shane in person.
Pinch Drunk, If Mosley wasn’t ask for a drug test than Floyd will lose cause Mosley dosn’t tire when He’s on his EPO
Manny will noy get ko’d unless he fights a Middlewieght. Mosley or Mayweather will do nothing but lose.
no sense
obviously Floyd asked for Olympic style testing. you know what i meant. every fight has a drug test.
Great article first of all but I think what you are really asking is can Floyd hurt Manny?
Yes he can becouse whilst Manny has taken punches from harder hitters recently, Ricky Hatton summed it up best for me when he said ” Floyd isn’t a massive puncher but I would rather take a massive punch that I see coming than one from Floyd that I don’t see”
Can Manny land cleanly? is the other question I have been asking myself and I find it hard to imagine that Manny won’t land anything body or head for twelve rounds although I don’t see many getting through all that often.
Can Floyd take clean shots to the head? I have no reason to doubt his chin even if it is largely un hit when he has been caught clean he has never looked wobbled.
Apart from Rcky Hatton in recent memory I don’t think he is a one punch knockout artist I feel Manny stops his opponents with the accumilation of his shots more than anything and therefore I don’t think he lands enough to stop Mayweather.
If I was a betting man I would say Manny by decision with sheer work rate with Floyd landing some crisp clean shots but not quite enough to get the verdict.
Clottey had a few punches in the first 8 rounde and was successfully enoough to snap Manny’s head back. That was expected from a bigger fighter. Clottey was so defensive that Manny at times was more offensive minded and lapse on his defense. At the later rounds Manny went on a big offensive and dared Clottey to hit back. Manny wanted an exchange from Clottey and also wanted to feel his power. Evidently Manny was able to take Clottey’s power. In all Manny’s fights he wants to feel what his opponents power is like. Manny got hit but those are the later rounds and Clottey was already absorbing body punches.
Is there anyone out there who can shutout someone with Clottey’s calibre by Simone muh smaller, shorter reach and ‘less powerful’? Can any bigger and faster man with longer reach shutout someone like Marquez who had to go up in weight and his opponent coming in higher than what two ‘gentlemen’ agreed upon?
got the point?
@Mark Chapman:
I hope your ‘rehabilitation’ is going well.
However, I don’t think it therapeutic for you to be writing about who can hurt another legend.
Perhaps you can be paroled only, like odl, when you no longer can pull the trigger.
I just can’t see a safety-first fighter beating a warrior like Pacquiao. Manny loves to fight and exchange punches….Mayweather does not. No way Mayweather can finesse his way around Pacquiao.
I think if tha fight happend.. It would b close… Both of them have 2 b carefull.. Specialy PAC.. Cuz! He realy doesn’t have a plan b.. Bside his speed(brawler)… But that’s gonna b floyd’s problem.. I don’t think that he cAn keep up with PAC speed n stamina.. From beggining 2 end…(1-12).. But damn I can’t wait.. Luv boxingggggg
He did ask Shane for drug testing.
@Ryan:
You need to put your articles and insights together in a book, publish it for your skills is on the order of a Hauser…
agreed.
Mayweather does not counter anymore. And he certainly wont “unload”. To unload you actually need to be loaded, and Floyd has no ammunition.
The question will be:
Is Mayweather 2010 better than Morales 2005?
…ryan
Floyd does not counterpunch anymore. Pay close attention. He can not out work Pacquiao.
If Floyd signed the mosley fight, of course he would sign the Manny fight. Mosley is more of a treat to him, than Manny!
When May is in his shoulder defense Manny should punch him on his brittle left hand, lol!
pacquiao wont get hurt by a single punch. but it would take a bunch of punches to take its toll. look at the morales fight, it was a bunch of nice shots that slowed him down. and that is precisely what mayweather would do
to pachaters,
if the pacman agrees to all of floyd’s demands (purse split, random blood tests ad nauseum), do you honestly think floyd’s gonna sign to fight the pacman? it took him awhile to sign the fight w/ a 38yo shane & that was because he was backed into a corner & had no choice!
to pachuggers,
let’s all wish shane knocks the mouth off floyd!
Manny’s hand speed will not be neutralized by Mayweather. Floyd is throwing 1 or 2 punches at a time lately. Floyd throws a quick pot shot every once in a while, but Manny throws combinations and will be throwing alot to try and get Floyd to open up. Floyd went toe to toe with N’dou and Corley, but that was years ago. Look at his fights since then he has slowed the punch output and takes fewer risks.
Mayweather has never faced a guy like Pac. If Pac brings his A game, Mayweather is outgunned all night. May never happen, but if it does and Manny prepares wisely, Mayweather will be overwhelmed. Shoulder roll be damned.
@Anon
“his power wouldnt affect floyd”
That is very impossible to know until you see their styles in the ring. You could argue we saw half the strategy Manny will use by watching the Clottey style, and the other half of the strategy was evident in the Cotto fight. Manny has the ability to shut a defensive opponent down, and Floyd will definitely be shook from his safe bubble when he faces Manny. That’s a plain, simple fact. If you think Floyd will make him look amateur, you don’t know anything about boxing, or either of these fighters.
And regarding Cotto and DLH… are you joking? They could have stopped the Cotto fight three rounds sooner. ODLH too, his corner stopped the fight to prevent serious injury to Oscar.
Your opponent doesn’t have to stay on the canvas for 10 seconds in order for you to win by knockout. I’m sure you know that, though.
Between the two fighters, Manny has about three times more power in his punch delivery compared to Floyd. But Floyd is very mobile so it will be harder to land those shots than it was against Cotto.
Harder, but not impossible, as many seem to think Floyd is untouchable. That is a fallacy created by die-hard fans. Just like die-hard fans of Pacquiao think he can’t be knocked out. HE CAN!
For me, that’s what makes both of them exciting to watch. 1. Who will be the first to expose Mayweather, is there anyone? and 2. Can Pacquiao pull off the impossible and demonstrate why he is more dimensional than people give him credit for?
Let’s hope we get to put our theories to the test this Fall.
…ryan
Hopkins man-handled Pavlik, so the talk about age is irrelevant to these three elite boxers (Mosley, Mayweather and Pacquiao). No need to get any excuses ready. These are three of the best… RIGHT NOW. Not yesterday, not in the 90′s, but RIGHT NOW.
All three should face one another in a round robin and see who’s the last man standing.
…ryan
ryan
its because hatton and de la hoya are not in floyds level. when manny stepped in the ring wit those fighters he had advantages in his way. when he steps in the ring wit floyd he would not have no advntage watsoever. hand speed would b nutralized and his power wouldnt affect floyd. if u take a look he couldnt knock out oscar he couldnt knock out cotto and he couldnt knock out clottey. he doesnt have ko power. and floyd would pick him apart when he starts throwin his 5 -6 punch combination.he could throw those combos against these fighters and not wory bout getting caught. but floyd would catch him befo he could get his 4th punch in
floyd would make manny look like a amature. u guys say floyd doesnt fight anybody but before the fights u say this is floyds hardest challenge and he makes them look ordinary so u guys start sayin he doesnt fight top competition. floyd has fought 15 world champions. thats not a easy thing to do.
Mayweather is not the fighter to expose Pacquiao or hurt him. Maybe Mosely could do that but he would be 39 by the time that fight would happen. I really don’t think he would have the hand speed to beat Manny at that point.
A fighter with ONE knockout in five years is a heavy hitter??? I realize it makes Manny sound better when one insists Clottey has real power in his punches, but its simply not true.
yes… most any top fighter in his prime would hurt pac.. he just wont fight top guys in their prime any more ..look what clottey did to him.. pac won hands down but im just sayin..imagine how bad he gonna look after floyd mayweather !!
The only thing thats hurting Pacman for now is his “SINGING and his POLITICAL AGENDA”
As far as Fraud mayweather, man up and stop relying on your E power drug which for sure he’ll be using on Mosley fight. Fraud’s scared to heave his pretty hand (nails) ruined!
We should stop talking about the PED issue because it’s a non issue. Nobody in his right mind really believe it. Floyd Jr who is the most credible of the Mayweathers wouldn’t even talk straight and say with absolute authority that the Pacman is dirty. Everyone knows it’s a ploy to get out of the fight.
What I think is that Floyd would rather lose to Sugar, than to Pacman. Too much false pride.
That depends on what drug he takes that particular day…
JMM was a very slick, very elite counter-puncher, and he caught Manny a lot, but Manny was never in any danger. The only times he was wobbled had more to do with balance than being dazed.
His early knockouts were just a result of no amateur background, a lack of effective training and a very undisciplined fighter leaving himself open.
Those who say only slick boxers knockout elite fighters is ludicrous. Cotto knocked out Judah. Clottey knocked out Cruz. Hatton knocked out Malignaggi.
And for anyone saying Manny is afraid to fight Floyd, I ask this.. If Manny fought ODLH, Hatton and JMM, all whom fought Floyd, some who did better than others, why would Manny be afraid to face him as well? I don’t see why Manny should be the one afraid to lose a fight. He’s already lost in his career so he has that out of his system. He’s already made all the money a Filipino could ever dream to possess. He’s already dubbed fighter of the decade by boxing experts worldwide.
So what’s the motivation to duck Floyd? You really think he isn’t taking the tests because he’s on drugs? All he would have to do is stop taking those drugs for that fight and nobody would know the difference. If he loses, so what. Manny doesn’t care, he trains hard, goes in to entertain the fans, and if God wants him to win, he wins. He’s at peace with that.
I think the motives are all backwards for those Pac-Haters out there who insist he is guilty of some crime against the sport based on a dead beat dad’s accusations. If you want to talk about motives, just consider who Manny sent to the hospital in two rounds, and who was training that victim.
…ryan
Lets get an few things straight. Cotto is not the same fighter at all and he started to back off after round 5. Clottey hit Pacquiao at will but he doesn’t throw enough, and he’s never been a KO artist. These are facts.
Shane Mosley would have a good chance of knocking Pacquiao out, simply because he throws a lot more than Cotto and Clottey, he has more power and speed than Cotto and Clottey and he loves to trade, that is his strength, look at the Margarito fight.
Mayweather loves fighters who press him because he’s so good at walking you onto his razor sharp counters. He picks his shots and hardly wastes punches, the left hook and straight right are mean punches at lightning speed and when you don’t see them coming, it hurts you. When you’re getting countered all night cleanly, it eventually will hurt you or do some damage.
Mayweather beat up on a small guy. Pacman beat up on a middleweight. nuff said. besides, Mayweather has to wait his turn because it’s gonna be Pacman v Sugar. Sugar is gonna make Floyd quit.
Pacman v Sugar, that’ll be a fight.
@Talkischeap
Maybe true, but Shane Mosley would Knock Pacquiao out.
there is no chance for mayweather towin if he fight pacquiao coz mayweather punch like a power popgirl
Dumb question
“Can any one hurt Pacquiao?” Yes. Next question.
@truth
when was this???
that was years ago man!!!
Theirs only 2 things Floyd has to do to guarantee a win over Pacquiao 1) stay off the ropes, and 2) Clinch when Pacquiao is able to make up the distance he needs to overcome Floyd’s 5 inch reach advantage, and that’s it. Should be a easy fight; Floyd needs to just worry about Mosley right now.
“Your hands can’t hit what your eyes can’t see.” Muhammad Ali
mayweather is smart fighter he’ll run, if you get too close he’ll grab you,grabbing and holding too much is against the rules but the ref doesn’t enforce,so he keeps on doing it alot,holding and grabbing is how mayweather slows down good offensive fighters like mosley and pacquiao
Hasn’t Pacquiao been KO’D twice?
Clottey hasn’t had a knock out in years. The only hard hitter Pacquiao has faced at 147 is Cotto.
Mayweather is unproven
his resume doesnt impress me
Great article Mr Chapman, at last someone who recognises that the Pac Man is No.1 Pound 4 Pound fighter in the world, that said i still think mayweather would do just enough to get a decision hopefully he wont tho, For me its going to take Manny’s best performance ever to win which is more than possible, also i think if the fight is in Vegas Mayweather would get the result.
I hope this fight happens in 2010 as i agree He will get past Mosely, Pac Man is a legend a hero and a roll model and is not an egotistical Moron like Floyd.
Mayweather would stick and move,manny would probably do what he did against cotto and put his hands up wondering if Mayweather was still wanting to fight or just run.Unfortunately,countering and getting out of the way would be just about the only thing he did since Mayweather rarely throws outside of to get out of the corner or from against the ropes.Manny can try and goad him into exchanging but it wouldn’t happen because mayweather’s plan never involves exchanging.Could he?Yea probably but he picks a plan and stays with it.Do I think Manny could ruin his day if he had him cornered?Sure.When DLH had Mayweather against the ropes,he lacked the stamina and hand speed to throw fast enough against his shoulder roll.But Manny can hang for 12 rounds,1200 punches have proven that.Would he be stronger and faster than DLH?undoubtedly.I’m interested to see if Mayweather can show something different in the Mosley fight that would spice up the potential fight with Manny,but I’m actually still pretty sure they will never meet in the ring.Manny may be one dimensional,and PEDs don’t make you a better fighter(both Mayweather camp quotes,even before the fabricated CLottey post fight one),Floyd will still more than likely not budge on him being tested for no reason.
Clottley did not want to hurt Manny, otherwise he would have trowed more punches, now start writing an article about “IF ANYONE CAN HURT FLOYD OR…. HAD HURT FLOYD BEFORE”
Pac is like Ray Mancini,.. a blood and guts come ahead warrior,.. all it takes is the right matador to put him down..no man is invincible… like the old guys say,.. if you keep going to the barbar shop,.. eventually you’ll get a haircut,… same will happen to Manny if he sticks around welterweight too long..
Good article.
good article, mayweather wont have what it takes to knock manny out. Hope mayweather stops trying to dicatate the fight game and just do what hes supposed to. FIGHT!!!