The Pacquiao – Mayweather Wars
February 20th, 2010
by Glen Anglin: There is an all-too-common tendency among many boxing fans to attempt to promote the greatness of their chosen hero by denigrating their hero’s current rival. Currently, there is a blazing war of words between the respective fans of Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather .
Normally, this verbal battle takes 4 basic forms:
· Mitigating the accomplishments of the other guy. (He defeated stiffs, old guys, shot fighters)
· Your guy cherry picks his opponents; my guy fights real competition.
· Your guy’s style is not as good as my guy’s style.
· You are blindly rooting for your guy without looking at the facts.
Recently, the Pacquiao/Mayweather debate has added some new forms such as: insults, charges of PED’s and worst of all, thuggish racial epithets. This sort of behavior only drags our great sport down and reaffirms what outsiders say about boxing, boxers and boxing fans.
Let’s start with the simple fact that rarely do two great fighters fight in their primes against each other. It is an unusual occurrence if for no other reason that the prime of many fighters just do not coincide. Birthdates are different, guys peak at different times, guys have an off night, etc. Many people forget that Liston was pushing 40(at the very least) when Clay ‘shocked the world’. In turn, Ali was in his late 30’s when Larry Holmes beat him so badly the fight was stopped with Ali cowering in a corner. By the same token, some of the guys Mayweather and Pacquaio have fought were not at their best either.
Now, let’s address the respective legacies of Mayweather and Pacquiao. PBF has beaten the best the world has to offer for the last 8 years (with a 2-year layoff). He dominated JMM and Hatton and has victories over Judah, Corley, ODLH and two over Castillo among others. With a likely win over Mosley, he has HOF credentials and is an all-time great for sure, possibly retiring undefeated. Any questions?
Pacquiao has also beaten the best the world has to offer for a decade, but mostly at a lower weight. His 10 or 12 knockdowns scored against Barrera, Morales and Marquez are a HOF accomplishment BY THEMSELVES. Not to mention victories over ODLH, Diaz, Hatton, Cotto and a likely win over Clottey. How about 7 weight division champ? How can anybody think he is not an all-time great?
As for ‘Cherry Picking’, how can ANY fighter fight EVERYBODY who calls him out? It’s impossible. So, considering that most champions want to make a truckload of money while their skills allow it, almost all of them try to get an easy payday here and there between the real tough fights. Examine the record of any great champion, and you will find a sprinkling of tomato cans on their resume. This applies to Mayweather and Pacquiao, as well as Louis, Ali, Robinson, Duran……anybody. No shame in it.
Regarding the charge of PED’s, I am not exactly sure what it is all about, other than MP’s refusal of PBF’s unreasonable demand to have unannounced, random blood tests within days of the fight. He will submit to random, unannounced urinalysis anytime and also blood test immediately after the fight and all other boxing commission requirements. Those who say he is turning down a lot of money are ignoring the fact that he already has more than he can ever spend and will make tens more millions each time he fights. Filipino’s are prone to superstition. Pacquiao thinks he lost to Morales partially because he allowed blood to be drawn from him 2 days before the fight. By the way, Pacquiao and Mayweather both started boxing in their teens under 110 pounds and are now around 145.
Let’s now review the style argument. Supposed boxing purists are constantly sniffing at Manny Pacquiao’s lack of boxing ability. He is a brawler with no skill, they say. The record shows that Pacquiao’s slashing, herky-jerky, 7-punch-combination-from-impossible-angles offense has done him quite well in the sport of boxing, thank you. After all, asthetics aside, isn’t it only the results that matter? I mean, if it is true that a REAL boxer can easily defeat Pacquiao, then why doesn’t it ever happen? Weren’t Barerra and Marquez considered master boxers the same size as MP? Having an acute appreciation of the finer points of the sweet science (as do I) should not close your mind to Pacquiao’s greatness. It only makes you look foolish and elitist, or even worse, racist. (By the way, isn’t it interesting that the same people who attack Pacquiao’s lack of boxing skill also attack the Klitschko brothers for being boring and cowardly? The K’s fight very carefully, taking few risks and taking full advantage of their physical ability and gifts…….in other words they fight just like Mayweather).
On the other hand, many Mayweather haters drone on and on about his predictable, boring style that is designed only to win rounds and influence judges. Let me ask you, if you were blessed with the talent that allowed you to win boxing matches against top shelf fighters without even getting hit, what would you do? That’s right, you would do the same as Mayweather. At the end of the Mayweather/Marquez fight Floyd had to be thinking: What a great life I have. I easily defeated a world class boxer and he barely even touched me.
If MP and PBF ever get in the ring against one another, I would pay $100 PPV to see it. However, neither of these guys is defined by the other. It is their body of work in the ring that matters. It is the only thing that can truly be judged.
One of the saddest ‘too-bad-that-fight-never-happened’ stories is Hagler vs Monzon. For a couple of years in the mid to late 70’s they were both near their prime. However, they never fought each other. Does that diminish what either man accomplished in the ring? JGA
Tags: 103 Responses to “The Pacquiao – Mayweather Wars”
Leave a Reply
please use above banner to link back to us!
The author of this article is wrong, great fighters fighting great fighters in there prime is what’s boxing is all about .
Ali fought many great fighters in his prime . Frazier,Foreman,
also Frazier fought Foreman twice,Simon Brown Terry Norris,
Haggler vs Hearns ,Trinadad ,Delahoya and so many more. I’ll
go on to say Shane Mosley is not a great fighter, he’s just good
besides Margarita who else has he knock out of some substance?
Nobody every time he face a boxer with a little defense he lost. Say what you want but Floyd has faces brawlers like him before. It’s gonna be almost a replay of Gatti vs Mayweather now watch.
@ REALISTIC
If, as you say, many boxing people ‘in the know’ are suspicious of Pacquiao’s weight gain and performance, then I concede your argument. However, isn’t it true that many other boxing insiders are saying this was simply another prefight ploy by Mayweather intended to get inside his opponents head?
And, if Pacquiao is clean, then isn’t it Mayweather who shot the fight in the foot by making a completely inappropriate demand?
If Pacquiao is dirty, then Mayweather knew for sure that he would deny the additional blood testing, right?
I am not a boxing insider nor am I an expert on the effects and detectibility of PED’s and it is certainly true that I don’t know the whole story. I am just disappointed that we might miss an historic fight over a clash of egos.
Finally someone who can write sensibly about Mayweather and Pacquiao. Good job!
@boringggg if you have something to say, then say it. Otherwise don’t leave stupid juvenile comments like that. So let me ask you a stupid question, since those are the kinds you can relate to. Why do YOU think that Pac agreed to random and unlimited urine testing with no cut off date but only agreed to 3 non random blood tests? There are only two possibilities.
1. He IS juicing and he feels he can get away with it so long as he avoids the blood tests because urine will not detect the peds he is taking but the blood test will. Additionally he has figured out some magic way of not testing positive for the blood test he agreed to take immediately after the fight.
2. He is NOT juicing and has nothing to hide but the blood tests are invasive for him and to undergo them relentlessly and unlimited all during his training would be harrassing to him and disruptive so that he would not come in at his best for the fight.
Which of those two options do you think makes more sense?
@realistic, it is not just “one” test. It is not “the” test. Pac already agreed to random and unlimited urine tests with no cutoff date and 3 blood tests including one right after the fight. What he did not agree to was random and unlimited testing because that woudl interfere with his training. And no it is not the same thing for Mayweatehr because blood testing doesn’t phase him a bit. Doesn’t make him more or less of a man than Pac. They are just different. Pac agreed to the $10M per pound penalty too, but his agreement to that penalty is different than May’s agreement to it. even though they both agreed to the same thing doesn’t mean they agreed to the same thing.
@Elijah, including his amateur career, yes he did. The point is, both started boxing at 16 at 106. Both are now roughly the same weight and roughly the same age. Both have taken the same period of time to grow and get bigger. Both have retained all their natural speed and power (although Mayweather was never really known for his power)
@Cadberry I did not know mayweather moved through 7 weight divisions like pacquiao.
TO HEAVY G
look pacman shot himself in the foot by not taking the test. i understand not wanting to get bullied around and not just submitting to what ever mayweather wanted but at the same time he is not willing to prove himself innocent. pacman says that he is innocent and he says he doenst know where these accusations are coming from but he isnt willing to PROVE that he is innocent. he isnt even willing to take the test just to prove to his loyal fans that he is innocent. everyone is trying to defend pacman all his fans are standing up for him but he isnt standing up for himself or his fans by just taking the test and showing everyone that floyd is just afraid of him. (IF PACMAN IS INNOCENT HE IS DOING A VERY BAD JOB OF ACTING LIKE IT)
ALSO to answer your question about where these accusations are coming from? it is coming from other trainers and boxers who ar emoving in those professional circles. see me and you are just spectators mayweather sr. along with other pro’s talk among themselves all the time so if they are hearing through the grapevine that pacman MIGHT be on something then they should ask for a test dont u think???
the author of this article asked “any questions?”. Yeah, I have a question. Mayweather fought “the best out there?”. Come on. Maybe in the beginning because he had to in order to make a name for himself. But, like Roy Jones, he carefully avoided any fighter he thought could beat him. As for Marquez, what kind of a comparison is that. Sure Marquez was a “world class” fighter…..at 126 pounds. And THIS is the fighter u feel made Floyd feel “pretty good about his life” after he beat him in a predictable mismatch? Floyd fights a “world class figher” 3 weight divisions out of his optimal weight and looks great in doing so. Predictable mismatch. Pac fights dLH 2 weight classes ABOVE his most recent fight in what was “supposed” to be a mismatch but the other way around and instead makes it a mismatch in his favor. Jose Sulliman even threated not to sanction the bout becasue he was concerned for Pac’s safety. Yeah yeah, I know I know. DLH was dehydrated. blahblah blah. Still pretty f’ing impressive that nobody saw coming.
@Elijah, I can name one other figher like that. Floyd Mayweather.
To Jesus Jones:
The reason I said I don’t exactly know what to think about it, is because I really am not sure what evidence or thoughs are prompting PBF to make his accusations of PED’s. Does he really have a good foundation for his thoughts? I am not implying that he does not have good grounds, but I just dont understand what they are. If it is simply Pacquiaos muscle growth, then why doesn’t the fact that PBF has grown as much bother him? Both men started boxing as teenagers below 110 pounds, right? As I said, I dont understand it. One thing I am sure of, PBF is not afraid to fight Manny. His fantastic skill set should give him confidence against ANY opponent.
Or is it simply another ploy of Mayweather to bully his opponent before the fight and gain the psychological edge?
Honestly, I really don’t know and I can’t come up with a strong opinion.
@X-ray the answer to why floyd did not ask those other fighters for random test is simple. 1.) they did not move up through 7 weight divisions and carry their power with them 2.)they did not gain weight and extra muscles when moving up in weight. Name 1 other boxer(just one) that moved up in weight and showed the physique that pac is showing? And you are not accurate when you said they need more than a teaspoon of blood,you can find that anywhere. Another thing your fight comparisons are crazy. One of the main statements in boxing is STYLES MAKE FIGHTS. just because Cotto beat mosely it definitely does not mean that pacquiao can. If that was the case when mosely challenged pacquiao in his gym he would have took the fight.
Please lets stop turning this into a racial thing. It should have nothing to do with what race you are. A person should be able to dissagree without pulling the race card.
Man, these Floyd fans and Pac haters are really idiotics !
First off, blood test, when they do several test on it, especially for steroids they would need more than just a teaspoon. They would need vials of blood, at least one and
vial is at least syringe full.
And again, why would Floyd request random blood test in the first place if he didnt accuse Pac first ? He accuse Pac first and when negotiation started he demanded random blood test. That means he assumed Pac is on to something already before the negotiation and then during the negotiation “demanded” he takes “random” blood test. And even before the fight negotiations Floyd already says Philippines makes the best PED’s…and IF he is just trying to clean up boxing why then he didnt start that with Marquez, De la Hoya or Hatton ??
De la Hoya only lost 6, Hatton lost just 2, Marquez lost 5 so why then he didnt suspect them or why no random blood test ???
Cotto beat Mosley by unanimous decision but Cotto was beaten miserably by Pacman…a clear cut victory, not a decision…
So do your analysis….If Floyd beats Mosley by yet another unanimous decision then Floyd is just as good as Cotto…And
if Mosley beats Floyd then Pac wont have any hard time beating Mosley…because we all know Cotto, whos the common denominator, was beaten miserably by Pacman!
Nice try D TRUTH.
I see manipulation is not your strong point. Could you be any more transparent.
Nice and evenly thought out. But the question remains why ALL the drama in the first place. Why Floyd and Manny fans argue regarding who’s running and what.
You did point out Floyd but that was like flickering the light switch on then off in a split second.
We can say that they both have what they deserve.
SO LET US KEEP THE LIGHT SWITCH ON FOR MUCH LONGER AND DWELL ON THE FACTS. THIS IS WHERE THE ARGUMENT IS AT. YES WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE HATERS ON BOTH SIDES. WHO WINS THE ARGUMENT ON WHO’S REAL AND WHO’S THE CHUMP?
Glen Anglin:
“Regarding the charge of PED’s, I am not exactly sure what it is all about, other than MP’s refusal of PBF’s unreasonable demand to have unannounced, random blood tests within days of the fight.”
WHAT ARE YOUR REAL THOUGHTS ON WHAT YOU STATED?
(2) What year did Pacquiao first made the P4P list ????
mayweather had one fight in over two years yet he’s rank No.2 by ring magazine ??
I have two question. (1) which fighter has a better P4P Ranking for their whole career ?
Especially from 2001 through to 2007 please POST the list of P4P so that everyone would get to see it and know which fighter had been on top of the P4P list for most of their career
@poocquao
very true. in a razor close fight you obviously have to give the nod to the power and the knock downs…
@ jimbo..
Yeah, particularly Marquez, who beat Pacquiao twice but only in the minds of Marquez’ fans.
If Marquez wanted to make a case for himself in those fights, he shouldn’t have gotten his ass floored 4 times between those fights.
‘Weren’t Barerra and Marquez considered master boxers the same size as MP?’
Yeah, paticularly Marquez, who beat Pacquiao twice.
good article apart from “the Klitschko’s fight Like Mayweather” bit. no where near. Mayweather, when you look at his fights doesn’t just on the outside, but on the inside as well like he did against N’dou, Hatton, Chavez and Judah. The Klitschko’s simply take advantage of their physical attributes, i.e height and reach and chose to win fights by not really getting involved. you can’t mention those two in the same article as Pacquiao and Mayweather. They are simply the best of a bad bunch. Hence why they fight in the back water of boxing most of the time- Germany.
I dont understand why you have to be a fan of one or the other. Why cant you just be a fight fan and be appreciative of both fighters skills? Why if i think manny’s fights are exciting does that automatically make me a pactard? And in the same sense why if i think floyds skills in the ring are unmatched by anyone boxing today does that make me a floyd fan and a pac hater?
“Liston was pushing 40(at the very least) when Clay ‘shocked the world’”
Dude Liston was 31!!! (born 1932, fight with Clay was 1964). Poor writting is also hurting this sport.
Why has Manny weighed in over the limit more? Manny will never get respect because he has an actual pattern of coming in overweight. 113?!? He never fought at a catchweight of 113!! He knew his opponent was tough so Manny cheated by coming in overweight. He did it again a couple years later. Manny has a history of cheating and making sure he has an unfair advantage. Just look at Manny’s wikipedia page. He has cheated by coming in overweight TWICE!!! If Mayweather is a cheater for doing it once, what is Pacquiao for doing it over and over again??
Mayweather had one close fight and gave an immediate rematch. Manny made Barrera wait until he was totally shot. He ducked Marquez for four years. His other draw, his opponent wanted a rematch and never got it.
Also, Manny has came in over the weight limit more than Mayweather. Mayweather has one incident, Manny has a pattern of it. Why does Manny weigh in over the limit? Why does he have a problem with any RANDOM blood test? I don’t have a problem giving blood, but I have to know when ahead of time. No random drug tests, thats not fair! If its random, how will someone know when to stop using PEDs and cleanse their system???
Manny lacks the heart of a true champion. Fighters like Mayweather, Mosley, Hopkins they always fight the best. Manny makes up excuses to not fight them. In the case of Mosley Manny just had Roach tell him the truth: “You’re too good” Manny had no problem giving blood inside of 30 days against Hatton but 9 months later when the opponent was named Mayweather he developed a new superstition out of no where. Manny is a good fighter, he has amazing speed, power and endurance. But he lacks the heart to make him an elite fighter. His one downfall is his refusal to fight the best. Outside of the Phillipines, that is what he will always be remembered for; not having enough heart to fight the best.
@kray: Xylocaine is legal for training not in actual fights like Mayweather has done. Yes he used it in actual fights. You tube has a video on it.
@the fight doctor: You still trying?? With only two weeks notice, Pacquiao took on LEDWABA a true African and a champion. Pacquiao tko’d him in 6 rounds.
Glen anglin is now one of my favorite writers! Please write more articles here!!!
If Manny is an American,they will all kiss his ass!This the truth,some retard Americans still cant accept the fact that there a new king of the ring who is asian,the only good athletes for them are Americans!
EIN; I was just about to post, but thought id scan the comments first. I am glad I did, as you echoed my sentiments EXACTLY. I was shocked to read an objective and level article, from a site that I use exclusively as humerous entertainment
@armthelandless–LOL…yeah, exactly.
@kray
jesus kray! be careful using logic here, you may be called an elitist! that my friend is worse than being called a racist because to be racist it implies that you think you’re better in terms of social economic status and superior on a racial basis… got to be careful bro. can’t be called any of those.
oh and please stop using allegories (david vs goliath) because you can confuse certain fans here into thinking your racist or elitist or even worse-the devil!
With all the free press were giving them they should pay us when they fight each other. If they fight…….
I believe most of the problems with the contract negotiations, at the end of the day, were part of a ploy to keep the fight hyped for a longer period of time.
Especially considering if May now beats Mosely, a very talented, well know & visible name, a long anticipated match plus Shane now holds a WW belt.
And if Pac beats Clottey (Not nearly as big an accomplishment as beating Shane perhaps) But, Manny will have won against a full size (make that large) WW with no catch weigth involved.
Now you have two guys coming off victories against well known and/or bigger opponents in a clash that will unify two belts.
Bigger fight? I think so. Especially if they both win in dramatic fashion (Read; By KO)
And if they don’t fight? It will be the biggest insult to boxing fans in the history of the sport.
I’ll personally hunt down & punch both of them in the mouth.
And I live in Vegas, so Floyd, YOU’RE FIRST!
@Bob–No, they are/were three of the most gifted fighters of this era–and two of them are willing to prove, over the course of the next few months, by OSDT, that they are clean fighters. At least we will know, for sure, things are on the up-and-up, when these two guys face off. Can we say the same for the guy occupying he #1 spot? Nope.
Also, “Robert”, Xylocaine is a LEGAL ANESTHETIC, not a PED. You should know that, by now.
Anonymous, did you notice your list they’re all Americans. Most Americans are all cheats just like Xylocaine boy
I am six years old. I am a big fan of Pacquiao. Go Pacquiao go! Pacquiao you can do this.
Pacquiao vs Cotto when they fight, Pacquiao won the game by hitting Cotto and Cotto lose.
Manny Pacquiao don’t need your $100 PPV because the Pacman is not a protute nor a crack head.
If you are not Christian, please try to visit and read “The Temptation of Christ” or Genesis (the tree of knowledge of good and evil)because you sound like the devil.
Their is a concrete reason why the USADA blood test will never be adopted by any professional boxing council in the US. Asks the council if you insists to know.
Floyd Mayweather Jr clean up of boxing is hypocritical – a dirty show whereas he can not clean up his own backyard having around him convicted felon father and uncle who continue to be a bad as nuisance citizen including himself with the IRA.
Pacquiao and Mayweather must fight to see who is the number one pound for pound. They should not make any excuses period!
Mayweathers are the best in trash talkings because they were brought up in that environment. They were not taught about good manners and understandably they grew up in a notorious culture. They survived in that and became natural for them to trash talk. Talking dirty to people is their way of psyching their opponent. When you respond to their ploy you will lose because you are not used into that type of engagement. Good thing, the Pacman is not responding as he is aware that these false accusations are only traps. He is just concentrating on his training against Clottey and let his manager and other people around him do to the talking for him. Manny knows that there are people against him and no matter what he accomplishes there will still be anti-Pacman. That’s why Pacquiao is loved by hundreds and millions of followers who love boxing. MP and Roach were given awards by the BWAA as the best boxing fighter and trainer for 2009 and the best fighter of the decade. Isn’t that enough?
This is Pacquiao’s number 1 enemy and he don’t want to lose against him, he wants to win! He has to play the mind games against him if he has too.
That wasn’t supposed to post until proofreading was done…
Hope the point still comes across
On the topic of legacy:
I think Marquez deserves a third fight if Manny is talking about retiring. I’ve always had an issue with the timing of some of Manny’s fights over the past few years. He always seemed to get guys that are IMMEDDIATELY comming off of fights were they took considerable punishment. I think out of all of his “BIG” fights JuanMa was the only exception and those were two fights that left alot undecided.
For Floyd , I think there are a couple of fights out there with fighters HIS SIZE: Mosley, Pacquiao….mayber Berto. IMO, I can’t really think of anyone Floyd has side – stepped. Almost all of his fights over the last 10 years have been against champions, former champions and even some future Hall of Famers.
I give Manny credit for taking the Clottey fight. Of course, Clottey is coming off of the Cotto fight, but I think he has more in his tank than people (especially odds makers) give him credit for. This should be a good fight…that is…if Clottey makes ’47, which I seriously doubt. Hopefully this fight doesn’t fall apart if that happens. This fight alone could go a long way toward shaping Pacquiao’s legacy if he never fights again. Incidentally, I like Clottey by UD.
thats complete rubbish, better then ali, you are a dreamer you have proved with your other comments you now nothing,just another mayweather lover (coward)
this is our life! hahahaha
opps!!
thats very true indeed. if pac chose to fight blow up dolls from here on out he would be popular still. but being popular and cementing a legacy as one of the greatest are two different things.
@juan aussie
I admire the confidence that Mr. David H have for PBF, except i have a distinct feeling that PBF is SCARED of MP. I was very impressed by the boxing records of two fighters before, namely Muhammad Ali and Tommy Hearns when they were still both unbeaten. However, I also observed that because of their style and reach, they have not been hit solidly. I wondered to myself what would happen should they receive a solid punch? Well, I saw Muhammad Ali’s feet lifted off the floor when he got hit by a single left hook by Joe Frazier in their first fight. I also saw Tommy Hearns knocked out by Sugar Ray Leonard. Pacquiao can deliver such a punch and that is what Mayweather is scared of.
Mr. Scoopz,
The reason why Team Pacquiao demanded the $10,000,000 fine from the Mayweather camp is because your fighter has been proven NOT TO KEEP TO THE AGREED upon fighting weight as in the JMM fight. It was too much of an advantage against JMM who had to go up to the 140-lb range to fight PBF. Some quarters would have called this CHEATING. If it had been a championship fight, the fight would have been called off and JMM declared the winner. Well it wasn’t, and JMM decided to go on with the fight because of the $300,000 fine which PFF could easily afford. To prevent recurrence of this incident, Team Pacquiao demanded the $10,000,000 because they know that the Mayweather camp cannot afford to cheat with that amount of money on line. Remember, there was a PRECEDENT. Now tell us, where is the precedent or evidence that Manny Pacquiao has ever used or tested positive for drugs?
@ wanted
he’s scared of needles. oh, and a teaspoon of blood would weaken him more than it would his opponent.
props to mosley by the way for stepping up and showing how a champ should behave.
hey Anonymous, r u dumb? or dumber than a dumb? how many time do pacman have to tell that hes willing to take the test? just not 14 days b4 the fight and hes willing to take it “RIGHT AFTER” the fight.
y in the world would a clean fighter risk havin his name tarnished and have doubt in ppls mind about him by refusing to take a test. if u wer clean n ppl started doubtin u wouldnt u jump on the first chance ofprovin em wrong?
dey c
do u know that barry bonds is the home run king?
do u also know that marion jones had a record of 5 gold medals and was the most decorated female sprinter ever?
now ima ask u one thing. is barry bonds really the home run king?
one more thing about the law suit where is it. was they jus talkin theyr shyt so ppl stop acuusing him.
there wer no accusations of ped’s man till they started makin excuses n start havin ppl doubt him
if manny didnt want his name to b ruined al he had to do was take a test. and i dun wana hear u guys sayin this is a unheard of demand. i mean theyr both goin to go threw random blood testing for god sackes. dont u guys see that. dont u guys see whats goin on. now theyr sayin theyl fight him winner take all. where was al this macho talk befo when they wer negotiating. they know that u pacfans will believe everything n anything they say. i dont see whats wrong wit the biggest fight happening and that we know that both fighters are clean. it jus doesnt make sense to me u guys sayin hes scared while ur protecting a guy that decline to show hes clean. i dont care that floyd sayed it. i want to know that hes clean. i could csare less what floyd says. but when u have excuses n back out of a fight and now u got ur trainer runnin his mouth and manny sayin hes ok wit blood testing. why wasnt they ok with it couple months ago. yo guys wake the f**k up
@pacfools…
Youre just one jealous dude…who cant sleep at night till he tells a big ass lies about Pacman…have u ever tried to make an appointment with a Psychiatrist ?
Finally an article that is truly unbiased and hits both sides. Thanks for writing this article, hopefully the fans of both parties read this and say, “You know they are both great fighters!” You sound like a true boxing fan!
top article. but please lets remember if pacman is allowed to make an out of the blue stipulation (10million dollar fine for every pound over the weight limit) which floyd accepts then surely floyd can do the same or you could scrap the ten mill stipulation and lets get this fight on two of the best fighters ever please get it on the fans want it the sport needs it and you get payed a whole lotter money for it
Pacquiao “Fighter of the Decade” by Ring Mag and BWAA…
Pacquiao “Figher of the Year” by Ring Mag, Espn, Hbo, Yahoo and more.
Seriously… These alone ENDS all arguments….
Nothing more can be said in Mayweathers defense.
Pacquiao greatest fighter ever. Pac comparied to Ali.
1 Speed Pacquiao
2 Reflexes Ali
3 Power Pacquiao
4 Body Punching Pacquiao
5 Jab Ali
6 Foot work Pacquiao Ali better runner but Pac get’s the edge because of his in and out.
7 Angle punching Pacquiao
8 Chin Even
9Hooks Pacquiao
10 Opponents Ali
Pac wins 6 to 3 with one even. Just the facts we don’t need Mayweather cult fans mad here.
@pacfools
You are not a pilipino, you’re a fool. BTW good article!!!!
@kyle
If those people you mention think Pacquiao is juicing then be it, that’s their opinion, he’s a suspect and that’s all there is to it but to accuse him beyond reasonable doubt is overwhelming and you better have evidence to prove it in court.
Here are three (3) facts: (1) Pacquiao is the ONLY boxer to win titles in seven (7) weight divisions; (2) Pacquiao is 1 of a few boxers to win Boxer of the Year three (3) times (Mayweather is not one of them); and, (3) Pacquiao is the BWAA’s Boxer of the Decade. Without taking into consideration that Pacquiao is currently the No. 1 P4P boxer, you be the judge who is greater, Pacquiao or Mayweather.
I THINK THAT ROACH AND PAC ROID ARE FULL OF T. NOW THEY ARE READY TO FIGHT PBF. ALL OF THIS BULL ABOUT NEEDLES WEAKEN HIM, PAC NOT WANTING TO AGREED TO A 14 DAY BLOOD TEST, NOW GET THIS WHEN PBF CAME OUT ABOUT A WEEK AGO AND SAID THAT IF HIS FIGHT OUTSELLS THE PACROID FIGHT PBF WANTS MORE MONEY ,AND BLOOD TESTING ALL THE WAY UP TO THE DAY OF THE FIGHT. NOW PAC COMES OUT AND SAY THAT HE JUST DID NOT WANT BLOOD TESTING THE DAY OF THE FIGHT.WTF!!!! YOU TURNED DOWN THE 14 DAYS. NOW YOU GOT HART OVER NITE. GTFO!!!! THEM DUDES ARE FAKE AS S AND WILL NEVER FIGHT A AFRICAN AMERICAN FIGHTER….
Oh my! still the steroid thing?! Im 17 yrs. of age and i can’t believe what im reading right now! Does anyone here accusing the guy has any proof? Im not gonna buy it since its just allegations and assumptions! All of you guys are much more knowlegeable than me when it comes to boxing, i know that! but my god, its really sad to read this craps! Anyone answer this kid! AM I WRONG BELIEVING THAT PACMAN IS CLEAN, BECAUSE THERES NO PROOF SHOWN EITHER BY THE ACCUSERS NOR THE FANATICS?! ENLIGHTEN ME PLS!!
kyle @are you a girl? the other kyle said last time some has my name too.and this one keep talking about juicing.
all guys that keep repeating manny is on roids or juicing doing is helping manny win his case in court,as it is still going on, to prove manny name has been damage all pac has to do is ask the judge to check out the boxing article online.anytime manny name in a article wala.juicing comes up ,that proof he now knowed as a possible user,ha,ha,manny will collect millions ,then when he dont have to pay GBP their 10% cut ,he take the blood test and prove who smarter……
@kyle @ armthelandless
this article exactly describes haters like you…
better use your energies directed towards something productive mmm maybe become a Commission President and then save the sport?
PACMAN really made his mark and made the boxing world take notice with his last three fights, ODLH, Hatton and Cotto. He was the underdog and a number of analyst were writing him off. The rest is history.
Before those fights, he also became known as the Mexecutioners with his victories of future Hall of Famers, Barrera, Morales and Marquez.
PBF is rightfully a great fighter and his style is different from PACMAN. His skill is an art itself although its not as exciting as PACMAN, it delivers the result.
It would be a great shame if the fight between the two greats won’t happen. It nearly happened if not for the issue of blood testing which would be a controversial issue for years to come (if the fight won’t happen).
The fact is both fighters have put boxing back on top.
Funniest Pacman quotes:
1.”I’m afraid of needles dude..for reals”
2.”bro..i’m superstitious…i’m serious”
3.”blood draws make me faint”
4.”Ok Ok..give me 30 days with no tests… please”
5.”Ok i’ll take the tests, but if I test dirty can we keep this a secret?”
6.”Ok that’s it..Fight me with no testing or i’ll sue you!”
7.”I haven’t mutated since 2008, I always looked like an urangutan”
8.”Steroids? what are those, I never heard of them”
9.”I’ve been eating fish and rice bro, that’s all”
10.”I gained 25 lbs of lean muscle doing push-ups and jogging”
11.”I go to church bro..I would never use steroids”
12.”I’m not against blood testing, as long as it’s not done on me”
13.”I don’t fight for money and fame, oh by the way, vote for me in May ”
14.”I lost to Morales cus i had blood drawn, for reals bro”
15.”I lost to Marquez cus I was wearing socks from the 99 cent store”
16.”NO wait I lost to Morales cus the cut”
17.”No wait I lost to Morales cus the gloves, that’s why”
I seriously thank the author of this article because, wow! look at the comments im reading right now.. its like there are really no haters here, some says they didnt hate pacquiao or mayweather! I know everybody is tired of bashing each other so lets stop the stupid talks and start making more logical statements here! peace to all!
commission rules my ass. intelligent people understand that not all rules are perfect and that most need upgrading and inprovement. i am sure at one time opposing trainers were not allowed in the dressing rooms via rules but someone realized that fighters can cheat and load gloves. so they either changed, up graded or improved a rule that allowed trainers to view opponents wrapping hands.
KTLA news interview with MP:
Cher Calvin: “People wanna know if you are using steroids”
Pac: “No, I’m you know, I din, I don’t know what he’s ahhh talking about”
Pac: “I’m willing to ahhhhh, ahhhhh, ahhhhh do a medical or blood test or whatever to you know, be clean”
LMAO, oh NOW you wanna do a blood test? liar!!That’s the whole reason the Mayweather fight fell apart.If he wouldn’t blood test for $40 million why would he blood test for free.BTW look at Pac’s body language when he was asked that question.LMAO.
Knowledgeable people who suspect Pac of juicing:
1.Floyd mayweather sr.(Professional boxer/trainer)
2.Floyd mayweather jr.(Professional boxer)
3.Oscar DLH (professional boxer/promoter)
4.Al Hayman (boxing promoter)
5.Paulie Malignaggi (professional boxer)
6.Miguel Cotto (professional boxer)
7.Kermit Cintron (professional boxer)
8.Carlos Palomino (professional boxer)
9.Travis Tygart (United States Anti Doping Agency)
10.David Howman (World Anti Doping Agency)
11.Victor Conte (Bay Area Laboratories Co./creater of designer PEDs)
12.Teddy Atlas (boxing trainer/analyst)
Not looking too good Pac, better run and retire after the Clottey fight cus the heat is getting too hot to handle.
Knowledgeable people who suspect Pacroid of juicing:
1.Floyd mayweather sr.(Professional boxer/trainer)
2.Floyd mayweather jr.(Professional boxer)
3.Oscar DLH (professional boxer/promoter)
4.Al Hayman (boxing promoter)
5.Paulie Malignaggi (professional boxer)
6.Miguel Cotto (professional boxer)
7.Kermit Cintron (professional boxer)
8.Carlos Palomino (professional boxer)
9.Travis Tygart (United States Anti Doping Agency)
10.David Howman (World Anti Doping Agency)
11.Victor Conte (Bay Area Laboratories Co./creater of designer PEDs)
12.Teddy Atlas (boxing trainer/analyst)
Not looking too good Pacroid, better run and retire after the Clottey fight cus the heat is getting too hot to handle.
@armthelandless
‘It only makes you look foolish and elitist, or even worse, racist. (By the way, isn’t it interesting that the same people who attack Pacquiao’s lack of boxing skill also attack the Klitschko brothers for being boring and cowardly? The K’s fight very carefully, taking few risks and taking full advantage of their physical ability and gifts…….in other words they fight just like Mayweather)’
Commissions Rules is what it is. Otherwise it just means an alibi not to fight MP.
this is a weak ass attempt to look impartial and objective but it dont work. i disagree on a few things, first the superstion of needles thing is just a joke. rather than defend his hardline stance i think people should urge pacquiao to take the damn tests to provide an example of how champions should be; clean. another thing, i am not sure what pundits you are talking about when it comes to pacquiao getting his due respect. the same pundits voted him figther of the year for several years running and fighter of the decade. i think you are confusing the pundits with people on these forums.
another thing which is the most important. i totally disagree when you say that they they wouldnt define eachother. if they fought, the winner would define the looser for sure. history will note that they were the most dominating fighters of thier generation and dominated all the rest. but when it was time for them to fight eachtoher —– won. thats how it goes. its called history making and a mega fight for a reason.
in that case why all of you mayweather fans tell to your idol floyd to stop bashing manny to all of his interview,and remind him his fighting moseley and not manny. that is all the hate coming from both party of fans. Because everytime he open his mouth he only bring disgrace to all blacks and americans,especially to his fans. I never saw a man talk that much. why he cannot do interview without manny in it. I wonder why?
Why would Roach and Manny be calling out Mayweather when Pac has a fight in a couple of weeks and mayweather in a couple of months. Roach and Manny already had their turn they chose Clottey now stick to him!!
On KTLA Los Angeles, Roach/Manny just challenged mayweather to a winner take all fight. Brilliant move. Lets see how floyd spins this one.
how about this….
“We’ll fight him for free. Winner take all.” Freddie Roach, KTLA.com
The difference between their legacies is that Floyd’s has always been on top so for him to lose after all this time people with their short term memories will down his accomplishments over the last 10+ years. Manny on the other hand has already lost a few times and has worked his way to the top so if he were to lose it would not be that big of a deal since he has already lost before therefore people will give him less grief if he were to lose than if Floyd were to lose.
The author shouldve made the conclusion that if these fighters are one of the gr8est of all time, then when they fight shouldnt we know and have no doubt in anyone’s mind who is the most deserving and best of Mayweather vs Pacquiao? This fight is to important to the fighters (mostly mayweather apparently) and for boxing not to make sure that the fight was won with fault. The way you do that is a random blood test, if mayweather was beaten by pac and the random blood test was administered for Both fighters. Then the public can truly know who is the gr8est of all time. But pacy for some reason wont man up to it because of a needle or was it blood taken? i dont kno i guess youll have to ask his promoter arum like pac said when they asked him if he would fight mayweather
@Mansterrr,
I’m sure you wouldn’t fight someone whom you suspected of being on PED’s, no matter how easy of a fight you thought it was. Regardless of how contradictory Floyd’s statements are, he is fully aware that it only takes one punch in the ring and he wouldn’t want that one punch to be the result of a PED (this is my reasoning, but I may be giving Floyd too much of an apology).
I agree with most of the article…i’m pretty tired of that back in forth bashing of these fighters. I’M A PBF just to make that clear!! I think of it in terms of the average working class folks. In my opinion Mayweather is the College graduate who studied hard since grade school to be come a doctor or a big time CEO so he wouldn’t have to be in the Mine Shaft, or doing hard labor for just decent pay! Pac is the guy who probably was in the mail room but hard work allowed him to get promoted and eventually get a CEO spot too. Both took their own path to get to the top regardless if you like it or not OBVIOUSLY they are the top dawgs. I enjoy Pac but his fans would rather bash than appreciate PBF and I don’t repect that! I hope they do fight and I want PBF to spank his ass but I would never wish bad things on Pac of spend all my free time watching his fights on youtube just to HATE!
Very good article because there are pros and cons on BOTH sides.
@ Fraud
Their legacies are basically sealed, no matter what happens (although Floyds legacy will be slightly tarnished if he loses to Mosley). Roach is just saying that because he wants the pay day, he wants to match his wits against Floyd (for the second time), and he wants to goad Floyd into signing the fight.
THIS IS SO BORING NOW WHY CANT YOU CHANGE THE SUBJECT UNTIL THEY ACTUALLY TRY TO AGREE TO FIGHT, I THINK EVERYONE IS FED UP WITH READING ABOUT WIN’S THE BEST? AT THE MOMENT ITS SHANE MOSLEY AS HE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT IS WILLING TO FIGHT EITHER OF THEM AND NOT DUCKING THEM FOR STUPID REASON’S.
if only mayweather fight pacquiao with his fist not with his mouth,im sure it will be historical in boxing, but i doubt mayweather will do it…. his a coward.. his not great… but a sh!!!T
“Pbf has beaten the best the world has to offer for the last eight years”. Man you are an idiot.
Great Article, but some people still don’t get it. Mayweather mouth makes him millions, It is not just his style of boxing.
This is likely the least biased article I have read on this subject, good job.
Very timely and respectable article, and I agree 100% with it. There isnt much that can be said negatively about either fighter after reading this piece…..but, lolol is is going to be interesting to see the comments following.
I agree both are equally great fighters. One is arrogant, delusional, boring as 700 club, and unethical as a Filipino politician. The other one is humble, sportsmanlike, exciting to watch, and will be a Filipino politician. Hope he does not turn into one of them trapos.
GOOD JOB GLENN ANGLIN! THIS ARTICLE IS VERY GOOD.IM A DIE HARD BOXING FAN AND AGREE WITH YOUR ARTICLE 100%. ALL THIS TUFF TALK FROM THE FIGHT FANS MEANS NOTHIN’ UNTIL THESE 2 FIGHTERS FIGHT EACH OTHER. I LOVE TALKIN A LITTLE TRASH ABOUT IT BUT I ALSO KNOW NOT TO GET TO PERSONAL ABOUT IT WITH OTHER FANS WHEN THEY START INSULTING ME AND OTHERS ON A CHAT SITE. IM GOING FOR PACMAN BUT I DONT DISREGARD MAY AND HIS BOXING ABILITY…….ONCE AGAIN, GOOD ARTICLE.
Fraud:
Do you mean to say that if MP never became a boxer, that PBF’s accomplishments to date mean nothing? I don’t see it.
And the same is true in reverse.
Roach is often full of sheep dip, just trying to promote or get in MP’s opponents head.
I totally disagree. Freddie Roach even said recently that their legacies are tied to fighting each other. By facing each other all of the questions will be answered and the eventual victor can stake a claim as the best little man in boxing history. And I would not be surprised to see 2 fights and possibly 3 if the first two are split. My other prediction would be Mayweather totally outclassing him like he did with Marquez and the fight not living up to it’s hype. Mayweather has shown too much of a chin in the past for me to believe Pacquiao would knock him out but I wouldnt be surprised to see him put Floyd on the deck for the first time in his career.
Floyd wins the fight hands down. He will tie manny up. He will box, circle, counter punch, straight right, upper cut, leaping left hook. He can fight inside and outside. He can box going forward. When manny gets close to unleash his shots, floyd will tie him up.
This is an easy fight. Manny knows what it is. He thinks he may win but floyd will be too smart.
Excellent article.
If only Mayweather would just shut up and just talk with his fists in the ring his public image would improve drastically.
Good job!! good article, all makes sense!
by far the most sensible take on this verbal feud.
pac fans love to root for him bcause he is a philipino, no other reason. There are 5-6 better p4p fighters than him RIGHT NOW – May, Mosley,WIlliams,Gamboa,Martinez. These pacnuts think he walks on water and would likely lick his balls clean if hey had the chane, and by the way, I AM a pinoy.
finally a very good article … precise and very well said