The Pacquiao-Mayweather Debacle, a Timeline
February 9th, 2010
By Ryan Dunn: There has been more finger-pointing, slandering, name-calling, insulting, whining, crying, and in-fighting surroudning the Mayweather/Pacquiao negotiations than a kindergarten playground. I have engaged in several (hopefully spirited) debates myself, offering my point of view on the matter. Let me summarize what I personally believe to be the situation, and the readers can weigh-in with their thoughts.
But something was brewing. Before the Cotto fight, Floyd Mayweather Sr., a hall of fame trainer and father to Floyd Jr., proclaimed his doubts as to Manny’s legitimacy as a viable champion at heavier weights. After Floyd Sr. trained Ricky Hatton for one match and lost to Manny Pacquiao, he claimed that Manny Pacquiao — while still fighting like an amateur — is too strong for his frame. He noticed that, by the way Manny flexes his muscles at weigh-ins, you know something’s going on there. This accusation went mostly unheeded, however, because Floyd Sr. is nothing if not a good trash talker (where do you think his son gets it from?).
So the Cotto fight happened, and Manny won in such an impressive manner, that there were really only two immediate places for Manny to go; he would either have to face Shane Mosley or Floyd Mayweather next. Of course, there are a growing group of top welterweights who would all give Pacquiao a good challenge, some of them being better match-ups on paper than others, but everyone wanted to see Mosley or Mayweather take on the Filipino phenom.
Mayweather was obviously the top choice, since Floyd left the sport with a perfect record, and is hailed by many (myself included) to be one of the most technically sound and naturally gifted boxers in the sport. Unlike Manny, Floyd Jr. did not need a decade of fights to improve his ring craft. He always had the gift, and it always came easy to him. We all can play the “Who Did He Duck?” game (I’ll get to that in a minute), but the truth is he took on some great challengers, and worked with his promoters to pick some very “smart” fights — competitive match-ups that never posed a mortal threat to him or his legacy (for the record, Manny has done the same).
Shortly after the Cotto fight, the world was buzzing with the prospect of the Superfight to end all Super fights. The fans wanted to see Mayweather and Pacquiao enter the squared circle, and prove to the masses who was best. Many skeptics had their doubts as to whether Mayweather would entertain the fight, or if he would avoid it, or put out lofty demands that could never realistically be met. But he surprised many when he opened the door to negotiations with Top Rank in no time at all.
There were some complications early on. The first was settling the purse split (Floyd came to Bob Arum with a 60/40 proposal, favoring Mayweather). Another surprise came when Golden Boy Promotions (the promoters who handle Floyd’s fights of late) stated that Floyd would agree to a 50/50 split. Everything seemed downhill from there. After that, Manny threw a curve ball, requesting an earlier fight date (in March instead of May) so that he could campaign for a senate seat in his homeland through April and May. Again, Team Mayweather agreed to the date.
The fans became cautiously optimistic. Could it be? The Superfight to end all Super fights might actually happen? And in MARCH no less? It all seemed so fast, so easy… almost TOO easy. Along with those bigger issues (the purse, the date), there were more minor issues, such as ring size, glove size, fight location… as well as two other items not mentioned up until this point.
The first came in the form of a weight limit penalty clause. Team Pacquiao realized they were coming into the fight as the smaller opponent. Floyd has fought as heavy as 150 against De La Hoya, while Manny has said he can’t fight at his level much higher than 145. So after Mayweather came in overweight against a much smaller Juan Manuel Marquez, paying a $300,000 fine with a smile on his face, Pacquiao and his handlers demanded a much higher penalty if Mayweather were to come overweight in their fight. They demanded a $10 million per pound penalty for every pound Floyd Jr. came in over. This was not meant to line Pacquiao’s pockets, but to ensure that both fighters met at the same weight by the end of their training regimes.
And in another surprise, Floyd agreed.
But you see, while all of these demands were acquiesced to (from Mayweather keeping the fight in Vegas, to Manny getting the standard ring size), Team Mayweather had their own clause, a drug testing addendum, which required both fighters to undergo Olympic style drug testing, blood and urine, to ensure the cleanliness and level the playing field. On the surface, this seems no more absurd than Manny’s $10 million per pound penalty. Right?
Well… you remember when I mentioned something was brewing back when Floyd Sr. made his baseless accusation of Manny Pacquiao? Well it was about to boil over, in ways I don’t think either side could have predicted. Some sources have stated that Freddie Roach himself had agreed to any kind of blood or urine testing the promoters saw fit, no problem. And while Manny Pacquiao never came out and acknowledged this to be true (he was in the Philippines at the time, remember), those who knew of the situation trusted that Freddie’s word was good.
However, Floyd Mayweather, before the contracts were ever signed (before the Pacquiao/Cotto match), in early October of last year, called in to Shade45, a satellite radio channel, and did an interview with RA the Rugged Man. RA drilled Floyd for ducking great fighters, and for picking on smaller men (at the time, those smaller men could only have been Marquez and Hatton, since De La Hoya was a bigger man than Floyd, and those were the only fights anyone cared about at the time). Floyd got upset in that interview, and was pressed by RA to challenge Pacquiao and enter the ring with a true champion. That was when Mayweather, in his flustered state, made an off-handed remark which bared a scary resemblance to his father’s accusations from several months earlier.
Floyd implied that Manny may be on something, and that the Philippines were the makers of some of the best performance enhancing drugs (PEDs) on the market. Whether this was true or not, the statement seemed to come out of nowhere.
This interview didn’t break big to the boxing public right away. Once the Mayweather/Pacquiao negotiations got serious, however, word got out. Eventually it reached the ears of Top Rank and Team Pacquiao. But it was too late for Team Mayweather to save face. It spread like a brush fire. And before long, other boxers like Paulie Malignaggi, and even Miguel Cotto, began to share their suspicions about Pacquiao being a clean fighter. You would have thought these guys were running for president the way the smear campaign took hold. Once De La Hoya (Floyd’s own promoter!) threw his hat into the ring and changed his own story about Pacquiao’s uncanny punching power, you knew things were getting bad.
But where did this all come from? Nobody had ever publicly accused Manny of being on PEDs before he fought Cotto besides Floyd Sr. Nobody even seemed to have their theories in place after he destroyed Cotto. The naysayers simply said that Cotto might have been too damaged from the Margarito fight, which is a fine debate. Now, all of the sudden, Manny is guilty in the court of public opinion? My, my, what a couple of weeks made!
Well needless to say, Manny was none to pleased to find out that not only he but his own country had been accused of illicit behavior. This was right around the same time that Team Pacquiao started their litany of excuses. Whether intentional or not, Team Mayweather could not have asked for a better result. What started as a brush fire had now grown into one of the most public defamation stories in all of sports.
Instead of denying the accusations outright and threatening to sue (both of which Pacquiao did), Top Rank and Pacquiao floundered around. One minute their story was that Manny didn’t feel that taking blood from the body was natural. Then the word got out that Manny was afraid of needles (in fairness, this was never mentioned during the Mayweather negotiations, but something Manny had stated in the past), regardless of all of his tattoos. Then Moralesgate™ hit the airwaves, and people learned that in the fight Manny lost to Morales, he had blood taken from his body two days prior, in a NSAC mix-up in which they had misplaced Manny’s original sample from his physical.
It all began to look like the behavior of a guilty man. And though I hate to admit it, I questioned the boxer’s honesty myself. Could Mayweather and his cohorts actually have found some nugget of truth amidst their wild and unfounded accusations? I began to wonder.
But then I thought about it more. Was this really a story about Mayweather trying to “clean up the sport of boxing,” as is his current hue and cry (it’s worth noting that in his last fight out of retirement vs. Marquez, there was no blood testing clause)? Or was this about a fight that was never really going to happen regardless of how swimmingly the negotiations had gone up until that point?
Let’s examine some of the motives at play here…
If you subscribe to the “Manny is Guilty,” camp, you claim that Manny’s refusal to take the tests as an admission of guilt. That is a fair position, but you have to take this stance knowing that there is absolutely no proof in existence to support the claim — no dirty needle in the duffel bag, no vile of The Clear in his locker, no frozen bag of his blood in his freezer at home — only the suspicion of some less-than-credible sources. But still, I will agree, when O.J fled from the authorities in his white Bronco, most of us knew what was up. The question here though is this: Why not just take the test and prove your innocence? What’s the big deal?
But if you take the “Manny is the Victim,” approach, AKA innocent until proven guilty, then you have to look at facts objectively. Not only facts but motive. Why would Manny refuse testing for drugs he hasn’t even taken yet? Should we believe that Manny is so dependent on PEDs that he won’t agree to NOT take them even though he stands to make more than $30 million for a few hours in the ring?
It just didn’t add up for me. Yes, I agree, Manny and his team handled the defamation very poorly. They should have just said something like, “We don’t have anything to hide, and we don’t have anything to prove,” and left it in Mayweather’s court to try and get the NSAC to change the rules. At least then it would be a firm stance upon which you could judge Team Pacquiao upon.
But I honestly don’t think Pacquiao has any fear about facing Mayweather. The motive just isn’t there, and here’s why:
Is Manny afraid of losing? No. He’s already lost in the past. Is Manny afraid of Floyd’s punching power? No. Floyd is not a knockout artist. Is Manny worried he won’t get any big fights after this one? No. He can retire the wealthiest man in the Philippines if he loses.
By this logic, there is no reason Manny, if he so chose, couldn’t have just said “Fine,” to the testing, and trained for Mayweather totally clean. Even if he was the biggest steroid user in all of his 55 fights leading up to this fight, he STILL could have gone clean on this one, and lost the fight badly.
So the “Manny is Guilty,” line of thought doesn’t hold water for me. But does Floyd have any motivation NOT to make this fight happen? I think you will find this hard to refute. Let’s take a look…
Is Floyd concerned about keeping his undefeated record? Of course he is, he brags about it every interview he has (and rightfully so!). Is Floyd afraid of Manny’s power? He might not tell you he is, but he’s mentioned many times how proud he is of the fact he never took any punishment in the ring. Does Floyd need the money? He won’t admit it, but the IRS has exposed that Floyd went a long time without paying his taxes, and had millions of back-moneys to pay to the government.
He has also said that skills pay the bills, and that legacy doesn’t feed your family. So you have to think that part of his reason for coming out of retirement has something more to do with money than a strict love for the sport, correct? By this logic, a risky fight, including a loss to Pacquiao, would not only ruin his perfect record, it could seriously jeopardize his value as a boxer after that. Remember, he was never the biggest draw in boxing until AFTER his fight with De La Hoya (if you don’t believe me, understand that De La Hoya made $52 million in their fight, while Mayweather made less than half that, at $25 million).
So the question of who is ducking who seems to me to point more to Mayweather than it does to Pacquiao. But I’m also not 100% clear that anyone is ducking anyone. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if this whole thing spiralled out of control, and it came down to the egos of two fighters getting in the way of the deal. Or it could be a publicity stunt conducted by the promoters involved to drum up even more interest in the match up for an even larger purse and PPV record late this summer or early this fall.
All I know is that Mayweather and Mosley are going to fight. And if you’re going to duck Pacquiao, then you damn well better duck Mosley, because both of those guys (if anybody) stand a very good chance of beating you.
The debate will continue, of course, maybe forever, but I think down deep we STILL all want to see this fight happen. Both of these guys, both Mayweather and Pacquiao, have Spring fights to get past first, and both of them have their hands full with strong fighters who can hurt them.
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Sorry dude, but I stopped reading after the second paragraph.
If you want to write about boxing you should learn how to use Google. It’ll help you to not seem so ignorant. The negotiations for this fight have been going on for over two years now and unless you start at the top – long before the Pacquiao-Hatton fight – you just come off as your basic ignorant fan.
Here’s what I suggest. Go to Google and type in Floyd Mayweather, JR and Manny Pacquiao then December 2008 – there you’ll find that the Mayweather clan was already calling out Manny in their local paper.
Then I would delete your entire article and start over. Because that’s where you start the timeline.
Mayweather have no choice but to accept the 10m fine if he overweights because hed already done that before, not unlike the drug testing issue cause pacman have never been tested positive, who’s the bigger star anyway??? BOXER OF THE YEAR, P4P “REIGNING KING, “BOXER” OF THE DECADE hwy on earth would pacman’s team comply to mayweather’s demand anyway? He’s an EX CHAMP, EX P4P KING, DUCKER OF THE YEAR. Cant you guys see that? And above all things hes the CHALLENGER.
Mayweather has always been a fraud, he tried to engage manny to fight him as early as march knowing that he just came from a tough fight against cotto, thingking manny would refuse because its so soon, but manny accepted the challenge, now with floyds tail under his ass tried another one by accusing him this non sense PED issue which was obviously successful.
Now let me tell you this, have berto withdrawn earlier manny would surely fight mosley in no time, unlike floyd who took almost a decade to sign their contract.
floy brags about his 0 but he lost six times in amateur in the same time frame that pac lost in pro. maybe xylocaine has numb floy brain not his hands!! why he lost in amateur and not yet in pro? because he could nt cherry picked his opponents in amateur as what he did in pro!! thats the difference between pac and floy, pac does not have the same protection that floy has early in his career! and pac not american gets the american awards like fighter of the decade. ever wonder why? because floy is the fighter of the decayed!!
@ Ryan
I understand. Again, great article.
@Alex: Dude, To come up in weight and win has been done before by other fighters, even Mayweather himself. People act like this has never happenned before. Look at the charts, Manny’s growth rate is actually below Mayweathers. What you need to understand is fighters will bring there weight down and fight at lower weight classes to gain an advantage in boxing. Physically tall with long arms is an advantage. Paul Williams for example should be fighting at middle weight, but is fighting at welterweight for the physical advantage. Tommy Herns did it too.
If floydie want’s olympic style blood testing, then let him fight in the Olympics, and leave the real boxing to the pros, and the brave. Maybe floydie could change the rules in the olympics, LOL.
I just wish that all racists here are not Americans. I you are then I can say you are the likes of the Mayweathers. I hope that not all Americans are like the Mayweathers. Because if they do then bin Lad3n is right about you.
Good article by the way.
おめでとうございます。
@ADE
I get all of your points. However, playing the contrarian. If you wanted a way out of the fight without it looking like you were trying to get out, you would need to look for a way besides not negotiating cooperatively. Some might argue the easy agreements may have been a diversionary tactic, a ruse to mask the real deal-breaker: the blood testing.
Personally, I don’t think that is exactly true. What I mean is that, I think the blood testing had more to do with putting Manny on the defensive as a way to make up for the fact that Floyd knew he would never get the money he wanted.
I remember when the 60/40 split was proposed to Top Rank, Bob Arum had a classic line: “When I hear something like that from Floyd, it’s music to my ears, because I can just hang up the phone and move on to another fighter.”
So much of the negotiating of a fight is gamesmanship and mind games. You are trying to get the best deal for your fighter as a promoter, which will then spill off and benefit you and everyone else surrounding that fighter.
Mayweather has admitted he wants to retire and become a promoter, so it isn’t that much of a stretch to accuse him of playing head games to gain whatever edge he can. I DO believe that Team Mayweather put the random blood clause in the contract as much for safety and cleaning up the sport as they did to intimidate Manny, who they knew beforehand wasn’t that fond of intravenous needles.
You know?
…ryan
@USMC
All that Manny isn’t a true welterweight talk is pretty much out the door. He came in and blew away one of the top guys at welterweight(Cotto). It isn’t like he tried to move up steadily through the welterweight ranks. So to me all that talk no longer matters. He is a welterweight now and should be fighting anyone in that division. Without the damn catchweights.
Great article Ryan, but I think we are giving too much credit to Floyd. Yes he may value his 0, and do anything to protect it as some may claim, yet agreeing to fight Shane allows me to think otherwise. Furthermore, some claim that the drug testing clause was used to get out of the fight. This, I beleive, can be refutted as well, because would not the man who calls himself “Money”, stall negotiations to ensure he would get the larger purse? Agreeing to 50/50, one would bet that if he really wanted to destroy negotations he would stick by his 60/40 proposal, or lobby for a different ring size, larger gloves, etc. But all these aspects of the fight were agreed to, and if I may say, Pac received what he wanted which included 8oz gloves.
So, back to the drug proposal. Now we assume he new Pac so well that he would make this proposal and Pac, with the ball in his court, would refuse? How is that possible, I do not care how many books Mayweather has read of the historic Italian Philosopher, if any, he would not have been able to predict that Pac would say no. Does not add up.
DON’T FORGET
The truth is that no athletic commission and no world sanctioning organization tests adequately for performance enhancing drugs. Only a handful of states (Nevada, New York, and California) test for steroids. Their tests are unsophisticated. Relatively few fighters are tested. And the fighters know in advance when they’ll be tested, which allows sophisticated users to test “clean.”
No state athletic commission tests for human growth hormone. Chemical traces of synthetic EPO can be eliminated by a well-educated user in less than twenty-four hours.
Victor Conte is the founder and president of Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO), which has been at the heart of several much-publicized PED scandals. He spent four months in prison after pleading guilty in 2005 to illegal steroid distribution and tax fraud.
Conte says that PED testing in boxing today is “IQ testing,” nothing more. In a recent interview with Steve Kim of Maxboxing.com, he declared, “The loopholes are so big that you could drive a Mack Truck through them. It’s really a joke. Traditional testing in boxing is basically worthless other than the detection of some types of stimulant before and after a fight. The testing is, almost by design, inept, and this basic ineptness breeds the use of performance enhancing drugs.”
The facts bear Conte out. The most significant revelations regarding the use of performance enhancing drugs in boxing haven’t come from state athletic commission testing. Rather, they’ve been incidental to federal investigations of other targets that resulted in the ensnarement of fighters who had previously passed state athletic commission tests.
very good article
Great article Ryan, balanced and well written. I agree with you when you said the Pacquiao camp handled the defamation very poorly. But I guess if someone accussed you of something right on your face without proof your first reaction will be of bewilderment and confusion. You’ll be thinking is this for real or is this another tactic. I guess thats what happened. It was all mind-games on the part of the Mayweathers. Then it got out of hand and the whole deal went south.
Pacquiao doubters would say he’s hiding something coz he walked away from 25 million dollars. You’ve got to look at it the Manny’s point of view. 25 million dollars is nothing when you already have everything. He’s a billionaire back in thhe Philippines. What’s more important to him right now is pride and integrity. You don’t go accusing him and his country of PED users and makers and get away with it. Like what’s previously said here, if someone accuses me of cheating in class without proof and that I should go take another test just because just I’m getting straight A’s almost everytime, well to hell with them, right. I don’t need to prove anything. Some people just can’t accept that hardwork, discipline, and dilligence does make a difference.
I fully agree with your article but please remember that last 7th January when the fight was officially cancelled, ESPN.com said:
“Pacquiao (50-3-2, 38 KOs) didn’t want any blood testing but had agreed to take three blood tests: one during the week of the kickoff news conference, which would have taken place next week; one random test to be conducted no later than 30 days before the fight; and a final test in his dressing room after the fight. Mayweather (40-0, 25 KOs) would have been subject to the same testing procedures.”
Wouldn’t you catch any enhancers straight after a fight? And if he did use PEDs, wouldnt he get caught by agreeing to a test right after the match? Can you see that Pacquiao will not submit to someone, as you said, a wildly thrown accuser. Floyd only initiated a random drug testing because he knew that Pacman wouldn’t agree to it.
Very simple, a test straight after the fight would catch the bad guy, why isn’t that good enough for Floyd?
I refuse to discuss this subject until the next time they cancell their fight
Kudos Ryan for a balanced article. Keep on writing. Way better than Dave Lahr’s one sided articles!!!
May the best boxers win!
Wow. My smart phone isn’t so smart. Sorry for all those typos.
…ryan
@Ivan
I appreciate your comments. Glad you lime the discourse. I also have a hard time buying into the “Manny is Guilty,” but in fairness, let me make a quick point about Mannys agreement to blood right after the fight.
A PED like EPO, which basically is blood doping, where you increase your red blood cell count to I crease stamina, can be flushe from your system in 2 days. Human growth horomones, which tell your pituitary gland to produce horomones to make your body get bigger, are almost impossible to detect after 24 hours. In both cases, a boxer if they had a heads up, could beat any test they wanted.
That said, currently the best ways to detect BOTH EPO and HGH is through…. You guessed it… urinysis. And we know that Manny agreed to unlimited random urine samples up until fight night a d after the fight itself.
The Manny has something to hide argument just isn’t holding enough water for ne, sime as that.
…ryan
@Ryan
Yes, it’s true, the article will become lenghty and will turn people away. But one thing is certain for me: The willingness of Manny to have his blood tested after the fight, it means Manny is not afraid of the test. That says a lot to me. If Manny is depend on PEDs or any other illegal substances to gain his strength to fight Mayweather or any boxer in the ring, whatever illegal substances that he took will certainly show up in the test. With this accusations and media coverage, whoever the person or group of people that actually do the test on Manny’s blood, will not just test it once, twice or three time, they will probably test the blood ten times to make sure no stone is unturned. It will be silly for Manny to take anything illegal before the fight. He probably will not eat any spicy food before the fight.
If I was a lawyer for Manny, I would certainly raise this point in a court.
This is a major point for the argument and I think you should at least mention it in your article and have a say about it.
I am not an expert in boxing, actually I am not an expert in anything, I am just a casual boxing fan. Know nothing about boxing and never hold boxing glove in my hand. I just say what I think is logical.
Thank you for the nice article and thank you for your reply.
Ivan
well done ryan.
you are a breath of fresh air at this site. you provide honest and more to the point common sense to your articles.
they are very informative and really dwarf writers like dave lahr, mannel perez, liam santiago etc….
if you really look over past articles its quite clear that the “pacquiao pro” boxing fans seem to write more balanced and clear points in their blogs.
a few bloggers here have said this for a while and i agree.
there are a couple of bloggers on this site that i’ve had good debate with that are “pro floyd” but do have good knowledge and no what they are talking about just with different opinons, which is cool, but they are few and far between.
i’ve always said just because manny didnt take an unpresidented drug test demanded by opponent who slandered his name and country for all the world to hear, from a family (floyd jnr a guy thats committs tax fraud, floyd snr a convicted drug felon, and roger may charged with assaulting a female) does not mean hes a drug cheat!
i would also agree that it doesnt not make him a drug cheat but that kind of ruling needs to be administered by the commission, not the fighter!
the part i like the best is floyd saying hes trying to clean up the sport! hahaha give me a break! floyd mayweather wants to clean up the sport! then why didnt he ask marquez for the test! remember hes been saying manny’s an easy beat for months!
for me and its only an opinion floyd copped out.
however i do hope that the boxing commisions do make olympic style testing automatic.
A well written, thought out, unbiased article. Thank you, Ryan for finally coming out of the blogs and putting it down while others can only sit by with their snide remarks. Now there’s order to the universe, a Ying for Dave Lahr’s Yang. Ha!
@Alex: Manny just got into the welterweight division, Mayweather has been a welterweight for over 5 years and that is why people ridicule him. Primed welterweights were waiting for their chance at Mayweather when he suddenly retired. If Manny was to face Bradley. It would be the same thing as Mayweather, people will be saying a welterweight fighting a JR. welterweight. Paul Williams poses a threat to both fighter espcially Manny because he is so tall, but you never know what will happen next. I have read some articles mentioning Williams/Pacquiao, but I think people would rather see Williams/Mayweather. I don’t know about that, that all depends on Mayweather.
PEDs or no PEDs, Fraud Floyd Jr. has shown the world that he is afraid of a midget boxer by coming up with silly drug-testing demand. He will be forever seen this way – a coward.
@Ryan Dunn,
Kudos to a good writer who listens to what other says. I guess we can all be good fans of both Floyd and Pac. But in the end, we all serve the purpose of hyping the match up and pushing both of these talented fighters to face each other in the ring.
@Ivan
I appreciate your points. By detailing the back and forth negotiations, who agreed to what, what days of the week urine could be taken, how many ways Manny could beat the tests with announced blood testing, I felt the article would have become too defensive, too much about finger pointing, not objective enough.
That’s why you guys are here, to weigh in on how you see the situation. I just wanted a single place where we could recap the timeline and cast our thoughts into the fire.
Thanks.
…ryan
The PACQUIAO-MAYWEATHER debacle is about an issue of a down-right IRREGULARITY in the sport of boxing:
MAYWEATHER-MARQUEZ bout governed by NSAC.
PACQUIAO-COTTO bout governed by NSAC.
PACQUIAO-MAYWEATHER bout governed by FLOYD Commission.
If you really want this fight to happen you would sign the contract, STFU and fight but FLOYD chose and continue to accuse, smear and tarnish PACQUIAO’s reputation without any basis to his claim. I think FLOYD is just one scared delusional mofo that thinks his best defense against PACQUIAO is never to step into the ring.
Ryan: you didn’t mention that Manny was willing to have his blood tested immediately after the fight. If Manny was not clean, he wouldn’t dare to have his blood tested after the fight. If suppose the test was positive, it certainly would wipe out every good thing he had done to himself. It would put a shame to him and his country. I certainly believe Manny is clean. This whole mess is just plain nonsense. It started because Maywhether Sr couldn’t swallow the lost that he took when his fighter (Hatton) lost to Manny in just less than 2 rounds. We all knew the trash talks that he said before the fight how his fighter was going to hit Manny, Manny was not a good boxer etc. Sr shows no sportsmanship. These make him a double looser. And I also believe that most Manny-haters are just racist. If Manny was born in a ghetto somewhere in the US, none of this PEDs stuff will surface. No one ever questioned talented black athletics such as Moh Ali, Joe Fraser, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Carl Lewis etc. if their body systems were clean during their prime. Manny was born in Kibawe’s ghetto in Philippines. I am not a Philippine, nor Black, nor American. I think I am neutral and this is my 2 cents of opinion.
Don’t be silly, if you have nothing to write better take a nap. It’s good for your brain. And by the way, don’t forget to take your Xylocaine otherwise your pain in the ass will not go away.
Dont compare mosleys 3 punch combos to Pacmans 10 lightning quick powerful ones. Mayflower was scared period.
Pacquiao found dead in bath tub after steroid abuse
@Fan
Asking for objectiveness and yet you failed to see why on earth suddenly the Mayweather’s became drug experts to deny the standards set by an american agency NSAC? It’s more likely a filipino or asian could be discriminated in an american soil than an american. Just my 2 cents.
I’m talking about you, Manny and also to you, Floyd. You guys done talking, then do work.
I’m hearing a lot of Mayweather was backed in a corner to fight Mosley…but it just doesn’t add up…i think Mosley is a tougher fight for Floyd then Pacquiao…and we all know the reason its a tougher fight…size, arm reach and style and maybe even speed that Floyd won’t have a advantage over Mosley…not to mention Mosley is very hungry to prove his the best welterweight and claims that Mayweather has been ducking him for years…and now his fighting a guy who admitted using PED’s whether he know or not…
It seems to me that Mayweather used Manny to get a blood test for the Mosley fight…it would only make sense to fight Mosley first rather than Pacquiao…think about it…who would want to see Mayweather vs Mosley after he fought Pacquiao…sure it would still do well…but Mayweather vs Pacquiao is the SuperBowl of boxing…it would be like the Saints facing Indy then Minnasota…it doesn’t make sense…or MONEY for that fact!
It doesn’t seem Floyd was backed in corner to face Mosley…Its seems that Floyd choose this corner…Doesn’t it!
How much more hype can you take? Fans all over the world talking about this. Are you guys gonna fight or not.
another twisted tale….
To Smart Guy:
Point #1 – Of course Floyd Jr. is forced to take on Mosley to show the world that he’s not ducking anyone. Any repeat of failed negotiation would point to ducking, as Floyd Jr. is known to have ducked strong opponents.
Point #2 – Pacman passed drug tests many times, not once only as pointed out. He fought more than fifty professional fights and passed each time.
Point #3 – Floyd Jr. did’t have to scuttle previous fight negotiations because he was confident he would win them. This time he didn’t want the fight but have to show the world that he is not chicken for he knows he will be listed along with Ledwaba, Morales, Barrera, JMM, ODLH, RH, MC and others.. and he will be undefeated no more.
@USMC
He would probably face the same fighters Manny would face if Clottey wasn’t available. The difference is Manny would get credit for beating anyone while Floyd gets rediculed. If Manny faced Bradley he would be recognized for trying to face a true challenge. If Floyd faced Bradley he would be seen as fighting someone smaller than him. People bring up why Floyd hasn’t faced Paul Williams yet I haven’t heard a whisper from anyone explaining why his name isn’t mentioned when Manny is looking for an opponent. TRUE OR FALSE. Something to think about.
very good article.balance observations.congratulations mr writer. you are a fair writer. keep up the good work….
The reason why i say this argument is going to get us nowhere is because if your a fan of floyd your going to say why didnt pac-man take a drug test, he knows theres 25 million in this fight for him. If your a fan of pac-man your going to say floyds bang out of order who is he to make rules and he can’t make these acusations so on and so fourth up and down round and round we go, my point is this is an endless argument it will never end unless they step in the ring. The argument could go on for ever its like what come first the chicken or the egg it goes on for ever. They just need to stop all the nonsence and come to an agreement i dont cair what it takes these to fighters need to do it.
I could be wrong here, but I think the interview with RA happened before the negotiations between Pacquiao/Mayweather
started. I seem to remember RA saying many times to fight Pacquiao. I could be wrong.
I am a Pacquiao fan, I believe he is clean, I also understand Mayweather wanting to make sure Pacquiao is clean. I don’t know how long PED’s stay in ones system, so I don’t know about the 24 days that all these articles say Manny was asking for is a good deal or not. I also think that taking a test after the fight is just like checking to see if there is ammo in a gun, after the trigger is pulled.
I really think that this is either a big PR ploy to make it a bigger fight when it happens, or I think that it will never happen. I want to see Mayweather lose, I’m confident that Shane and Manny both can do it.
I am sorry but I have to take a side of the issue. The whole fracas of this issue stemmed from the Floys junior and senior shooting first before asking question. They make unsubstantiated accusations that Pacman is into ped’s which radily germinated into the minds of the unsuspecting public opinion. But look who is talking. Didn’t the Floyds into xylocaine since 2002. Why didn’t they have their test for themselves. Manny don’t to prove anything as he never tested positive of ped’s during his lifetime. Figthers are supposed to comply and follow regulations and not there imposing new rules to opponents as if they are the cleanest (which the contrary). Why don’t the junior and senior urang-utans and their neanderthal minions in the GBP talked it out with the WBO or the IBF and other professional boxing organization to make representation with the NSAC or any other state sports regulatory commisions, if they are serious in improving the rules of the professional boxing. The truth is the Pacman-Floyd Jr. fight is DOOMED-AB-INITIO. Floyd Jr. just did’t want the fight that is sure to put a score of one (1) under the loss column of his professional score board. He is too engrossed with his undefeated status.
@Alex: If Berto didn’t back out, who would Mayweather be fighting? Paul Williams??? Another JR. Welterweight?? Mathew Hatton?? WHO??? How blind are you people??????????
OHH DOC HOLIDAY: Did I hit a soft spot? Hurts to know the truth huh? Do you have what Mayweather has? Then you shut the f**k up. Punks like you can’t take the truth. You can’t handle that the MAYWEATHERS are a bunch of THUGS trying to have their way with the boxing world. BOXING WAS BETTER OFF WITHOUT THEM. WHEN MAYWEATHER CAME BACK BOXING WENT DOWN THE DRAIN. I don’t have what he has but I have the freedom of speech so I can say what I want. I earned it, I served 20 years for this country while you were out enjoying your freedom.
For god sake!!! when are people going to give this debate a rest i dont cair whos to blame the facts is both fighters have upset every boxing fan across the world by not going fourth with the fight.
Mr Berry your clearly inbreed lol your comments are pathetic. you are just a stupid racist.
Manny fans Please be Objective
When you apply for a job they ask you to take a drug test. They aren’t accusing you of taking anything they just want to make sure.TAKE THE TEST. Manny is the only athlete in the world who gives different reasons why he don’t want to take a drug test. And Manny fans just accept it. Now if the table were turned and Roach accused PBF of using PED’S and PBF said I don’t want to be bully by Manny. I’m afraid of needles. I feel weak after giving blood. Manny fans would be in a uproar. But yet in still Manny fans takes Roach words PBF is afraid of Manny and take that like gospel. Remember this Roach trained James Toney who was on the juice.
I thought this was an interesting read from Yahoo Sports.
Forced to take on Sugar
Do you really think Floyd Mayweather Jr. should be given credit for taking a fight with Sugar Shane Mosley? I don’t think Floyd would have taken this fight if he wasn’t forced to do so. His back was against the wall on this one. If he didn’t fight Shane, he’d be labeled a coward for ducking opponents. In short, he had no way out. That’s just my opinion. He’s probably wishing he had announced an earlier fight with a cherry-picked opponent with the likes of Paulie Malignaggi.
Will Avestro
San Diego
Will, I’m not sure I get your logic. He negotiated to fight the No. 1 pound-for-pound guy in the world. When that fight couldn’t be made, he didn’t take a fight with someone like Clottey; he took a bout against the No. 3 pound-for-pound fighter in the world. What does he have to do to please some of you people? If he doesn’t take the fight you want him to take, you label him a chicken. If he does, you say he didn’t want to. He hasn’t been pushed much since moving to welterweight and that’s a blight on his career. But he’s now insisting he’s taking on all comers and he’s proving that by his actions. I’ll be the first to scream bloody murder if he attempts to fight lightly regarded guys from other divisions. But when he signs to fight the elite guys in his weight class, he should be commended. And here’s another strange thing: Right around Christmas, when the drug testing dispute between Mayweather and Pacquiao became public, Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum said publicly he was trying to arrange a fight with Malignaggi. Aren’t you being hypocritical for criticizing Mayweather for even thinking of that without criticizing Pacquiao for the same thing?
Long Read. Either way the fight will eventually happen. Floyd will spank that ass. And people will CRUCIFY him for fighting someone smaller than him. Another day, Another dollar.
Just want to clarify things – MP is not running for senate. He is running for congressman in Gen Santos City. Nice article by the way.
USMC sounds like an JACKASS!! Its funny that you call Mayweather broke when you will probably won’t make in your lifetime what he paid for one of he’s cars. You don’t know what his account looks like so SHUT UP!!!
What is this got to do with boxing?
C’mon slim shady! Keep your slim minded comment to yourself slim.
Slimmm says:
February 9, 2010 at 3:55 pm
HAs no one heard about Pac cheating on his wife with severaal mistresses?
Lacem up :
You sound like a pathetic loser whose twat went missing…. try licking Mayweather’s a33
Mayweather has just put Valero on his “LISTS OF BOXERS TO AVOID”
Win or lose Mayweather will talk trash…. No wonder people around him close their mouth when he starts talking….
Hail to the king of FRAUD !
Good article, but I think where you say Manny is not afraid of losing. I think he is, I think he doesn’t want to lose his pound for pound crown because a loss to Mayweather would be a clear handing over of his crown.
Good article,well told
Yes, it is a well balanced article. But as you mentioned, everything was going well in the negotiation before the PBF’s interview with RA.
My question is, why was he on defensive during the interview even accusing an innocent country of being the best producer of PEDS. You are talking about the timeline here and this is the point where everything went downhill.
Was pride got in the way as someone else was taking the limelight and he has to resort to some ridiculous accusation to dampen PACMAN’s accomplishments.
@The Truth About Xylocaine
I just wanted to point out to those wondering about this drug. Xylocaine and Lidocaine are the same thing. Lidocaine is the actual drug, while Xylocaine is a brand name. In the same way Ibu Profin is a drug, but Motrin and Advil are both brands of Ibu Profin.
Also, for the record WADA currently does not recognize Lidocaine as a banned substance in athletics. Just giving some other facts.
…ryan
Xylocaine is a banned substance within 7 days of a NSAC sanctioned fight, but the NSAC doesn’t have the power to make a law declaring anything is “illegal”. Xylocaine and Lidocaine are legal in all 50 states.
Most boxing commissions do not have specific rules outlined for Xylocaine, meaning that if Floyd fought outside of Vegas, he could still use it in the ring in many states (including Texas, where Floyd did not want to fight) and have it be within the rules. The NSAC actually has the strictest rules regarding the use of Xylocaine and Lidocaine, putting to rest another rumor that Floyd only fights in LV because he gets to use Xylocaine there. The fact is, the NSAC is the most strict of any boxing commission about it’s use.
Great article. Very well explained. Thanks
Awesome fair article. It ends the debate once and for all in my opinion. Now let’s get back to boxing…
People will say they’ll give all their blood for 30M or 40M. Of course you will, cause you’re broke. How ’bout you do everything for ten bucks? I bet you won’t. Pacquiao doesn’t need the money. He was a poor kid and now he’s a billionaire in the Philippines. He just fights to entertain and help his country.
He’s not gonna take demands from somebody who beat an old and overweight lightweight in the past 3 years.
i don’t really think if mayweather wanted to fight pacquiao in the first place, why? the timing of mayweather’s announment was kind of a bluff knowing that pacquiao was running for congress in the may election (his country) thereby anticipating that pacquiao would surely say no becuase of that commitment..but mayweather got caught off guard becuase he didn’t expect pacquiao to accept the challenge and from theere onward mayweather did everything looking for a way out..
HAs no one heard about Pac cheating on his wife with severaal mistresses?
#1 Floyed was not forced to fight Mosley… He is already crucified by the public daily so not taking the fight would mean nothing.. He chose to take the fight..
#2 Pacman not failing any tests before doesnt mean he’s clean.. If your clean once or passed the test once doesnt mean your clean for life right? Get real… Pacman will never fail a BLOOD TEST because he will only agree to SCHEDULED ones.. So using that argument is futile..
#3 Mayweather didnt ask anyone before this to take random blood test because he never felt he was taking a risk fighting someone on PED’s. If Pacman agree’d and passed Mayweather would have to fight him, so any arguments stating he’s ducking him are futile.. Pacman could take the test and shut him up but chooses not to for some odd reason..
#4 Random testing and scheduled testing are completely different. PED’s are used during training and not the actual fight, so a test after the fight shows nothing.. Hence why Manny will only agree to more than a 14 day window.. Could he dope then have two weeks to get clean for the fight?
#5 Finally, some people say Mayweather cant dictate the drug testing rules.. This is tru, which is why Manny isnt fighting him. He knows he doesnt have to take the tests and he wont, but intelligent people should know boxing’s drug testing methods are old and dont work.. Plenty of people doped an never got caught.. Did they change the testing? No.. Same worthless tests… If Manny is doping he knows how to beat the system, just like people beat urin tests at work.. These old methods simply dont work.
Lmao. The writer is obviously a f*cking loser. IF PAC IS CLEAN HE SHOULD HAVE CALLED MAYWEATHERS BLUFF AND VERBALLY AGREED TO THE TEST. Period. Then if Floyd is what you dudes call a coward he would drop out the fight. If someone dared me to tap that chin I’d break his effin jaw. Period. They weren’t signing contracts, they were verbally agreeing to the terms. IF I BELIEVED FLOYD WAS PULLING SOME BS I WOULD HAVE CALLED HIS BLUFF AND AGREED JUST TO SEE WHERE HE WAS GOING WITH IT. THE GAME IS CHESS NOT CHECKERS. BUT OF COURSE THESE FAGGOT ASS WHITEBOYS WANT TO BLAME EVERUTHING ON A BLACK DUDE. THEY HATE US SO MUCH THEY’LL TAKE THAT SLANT-EYES SIDE. BUNCH OF LITTLE **** BASTARDS. AND TO ALL YOU BLACKS ON PAC NUTS, YALL SOME F*CKIN HOUSE N*GGERS. THESE WHITE BOYS MAD BECAUSE THEY LACK THE PHYSICAL FEATURES TO BEAT US, CALL US N*GGERS IN PERSON (BALLS), AND MAKE THEIR OWN WOMEN CUM (**** SIZE). KEEP HATING FLOYD BECAUSE THATS WHAT MAKES HIS MONEY. BOXING IS FULL OF ROIDS AND MANNY AND KNOCZ ARE F*CKING. HE ALWAYS WITH HIM. KINDA GAY TO HAVE THIS WHITE MAN AROUND YOU ALL THE TIME IF YOU ASK ME…
ryann dunn /i dont agree if fm starts a fight and hurts his hand after yhe 4 th rd you go to the score cards and your ahead you win not fair.
USMC, So u teelin me you gon whine over some blood to make the most money you will ever make, i damn sure wont, to make 30 million dollars. I’ll let them take blood for the rest of my life! Ive lost more blood than they will take due to a busted nose lol!
@Bo
Let me just chime in for a second and say that the Xyolcaine issue has two sides to the argument. On the first side, fighters who have broken their hands in the past (as Floyd has), need local pain killers in order to get through some fights.
This can be abused however, and Xylocaine can be administered in such doses that you’re essentially using it like Novacaine for your hands. That can be dangerous. When your sport is using your fist as a weapon, you don’t want your opponent to have numb hands that can punch harder.
The problem with this argument is that, you can’t say Floyd is a boxer not a puncher one minute, and then say that Xylocaine makes you punch harder which is dangerous on the other.
Personally, I think the use of Xylocaine is probably necessary for Floyd at this point in his career, and I also don’t think that his use of it is the equivalent of dipping your hand wraps in plaster, for instance.
If Floyd were knocking people silly and injuring his opponents every time they fought, I’d have a different opinion I think.
…ryan
Great article! You didn’t take sides, but only expressed the truth about both fighters. I really enjoy this one! Job well Dunn!
USMC, the ankles of a football player are equally as important to a boxers hands, right or worong. If a football players has bad ankles and feels every cut he makes, what good will he be?
You began your timeline with the wrong date. The Cotto fight was on Nov. 14, 2009. But anyway the fight between Floyd amd Pacman will never happen IMO. If Mayweather wins against Mosley, hes gonna priced himself out by insisting he is the bigger draw because his fight with Mosley will get more PPV buys than Pacquiao Clottey.
Great Article! The big problem no one is talking about are the BOXING PROMOTERS! Promoters are suppose to be working for the fighters! Fighters have lawyers to read over there contracts to make sure everything is good to go. These boxing promoters are getting in the way of great fights being made because there trying to stuff there own pockets with $$$ but at the same time claiming to be looking out for there fighters(BS)! I thought once Dela Hoya retired, he would actually look out for fighters after being one for years but he’s turning into the guy who promoted him and don’t get alone with anymore (Arum Jr). Fighters need to take over there own careers & understand that promoters work for them!
Also Mayweather agreed to everthing they wanted, why couldnt they do the same. I would be far more afraid of losing Ten million dollars than taking a shot in the arm for a drop of blood anyday!!! Manny and his team knows that he will olose and this is why they dont want to fight PBF.
@Bo: Xylocaine on the ankle don’t do harm because football players do not hit other players with their ankles. On the hands is a different story, when your hands are numb, you can actually hit harder because you do not feel the impact of your punches landing on another fighter. Fighters with brittle hands should not fight if using xylocaine. Xylocaine is only legal for sparring purposes, not in actually fights.
eric,
mosley is goiong to get countered all night no offense to mosley he is a good fighter but he is just that a fighter.
He comes forward he likes to throw and exchange like what he did withmargarito.
he won because margarito was the fight that mosley does best and toe to toe fight.
mayweather is going to shoulder roll mosleys punches and slip and counter mosley mosley is going to try and come after him and he is going to miss.
It will be a great fight but mosley wont win IMO
manny submitted himself for a blood test 14 days before the fight and after the fight why it is not enough tocheck if hes clean
very well said and impartial..articles should be written in this manner..well, not unless you are under the payroll of the mayweathers…and without being bias i have to conclude that mayweather jr was the ducker..
simply brilliant! I never ever make comments about articles I read, this time I couln’t contain myself.
I just hope the fight happens in the summer. These 2 boxers Mayweather and Pacquiao must fight and hope that they will come to terms.
Good article Ryan keep up the good writing. There’s only a handful of you guys outthere.
The blood test main intention is to discredit Pacquiao, that is all there is to it. How come Floyd never ask for a blood test prior to the Pacquiao fight? Floyd is as insecure as his loser father and it shows because he cannot hold decent interviews with people without getting offended, his statements always contradicts. Now he is forced to face the man he doesn’t want to be a part of and it’s good for him coz Shane Mosley will test Floyd’s invincibility, which a lot of the Floyd nutswingers will realize is just one big hype.
We can all speculate but matter of fact is, Manny never tested positive, Floyd did (xylocaine)and so as Oscar?
Lifeinthering, you’re correct, Floyd could’ve choose Paul W as an opponent but he didn’t. As far as Floyd can pick any opponent, yes he could but the public will crucify him if he pick Paulie or Nate or Matt Hatton. So he had no choice but to pick Mosley.
As far as Mosley beating his ass, it will and assure you it will not be the other way around. Maybe Floyd will tire him to death but certainly not beat Mosley’s ass.
@lifeinthering
Then if that happens….Floyd will win if pac stops taking ped before the fight. Right?
i accused manny of juicing it since the diaz fight, why? beacause we saw new manny pacquiao in that fight. also the second (literally the second) pacquiao knocked cotto down i said it again to my friends and fam… pacman is on some PED.
WOW!!! What an great article. I believe mayweather didn’t want the fight and don’t want the mosley fight but since he’s forced into it he has to. He will beat mosley tho cause i personally think his age will show in this fight just like i thought it would when he would’ve fought berto. I watched pacquiao b4 the dela hoya fight and always thought he was an exciting fighter. I don’t think pacquiao is on anything. Look at velaro 27 wins 27 ko’s i don’t hear anyone saying he’s on steroids. Mayweather went up in weight as much as pacquiao and dominated but no1 said he’s using. Dela hoya did to but no ? asked how he dominated in his fights. As a real boxing fan i don’t care who makes more money in their fight i just wanna see a great ppv fight that’s worth the money. Mayweather disappointed me in the marquez fight he should’ve knocked him out. I wil still pay 4 a mayweather fight cause he’s an excellent boxer as is pacquiao. But the differences is 1 is more entertaining then the other.
@Gambino
Thanks for pointing out that line in my article. I could have been more clear, so let me just clarify: What I meant was why didn’t Manny just agree to whatever testing Team Mayweather requested from the onset?
I gave my own answers later on, but wanted you to know that I understand what Manny DID agree to (unlimited random urine right up until fight night, and 3 announced blood tests, one during press kick off, one no less than 24 days before fight night, and one immediately after the fight in the dressing room… right before he heads to karaoke night
).
So yes, we’re on the same page.
…ryan
wanted /no manny was always the underdog the smaller man moveing up beating better fighters continually.fm should of been doing the same .rh .jmm.you know better.
who gives a rats ass about this fantasy fight.pac and may are like 2 little school girls.
Eric,
The fact is its legal no point behind it its legal no matter whatstate its illegal in its legal wherevere floyd is fighting which means he is playing by the rules.
Eric,
Mayweather had a choice he could have fought anyone in the welterwight division he wanted to. he could have cared less about what people would say if he didn’t fight mosley.
He chose mosley he agreed to fight mosley he had a choice no one had a gun to his head saying if you don’t fight mosley ill kill you.
As far as mosley beating maweathers ass I doubt that will happen if anything it will be a verry competitive fight mosley will in no way be able to walk right through mayweather.
Bo, it’s legal in Nevada not in any other state. Get the point?
a good article
A well written article Ryan especially when many writers seem to be totally bias or have little knowledge of the sport.
Gambino,
Because if infact pac is using then he will know that after his fight to he will have a test so he will stop taking whatever he is taking so he will test clean.
There is a difference between RANDOM testing like mayweather said and testing after a fight
Really impressed by this non-biased and balanced article. Well researched and I agree with a lot of what you say.
How is what Mayweather used illegal. Its just like when football players get injected in their ankles (Dwight Freeney) or knees to stop the pain. Pain killers unlike PED’S are legal in sports USMC!!!
Good article. The fact is, Mayweather had no choice but to fight Mosley! and can’t wait for Mosley to beat Floyd’s ass!
I just wanna say something about this statement in your article,
“The question here though is this: Why not just take the test and prove your innocence? What’s the big deal?”
Pacquiao did not say that he does not wanted to be tested. He even agreed to be tested right after his fight with Floyd. He agreed that the test can be taken from his locker room. What will be a better time to test a boxer if he really is indeed taking ped than right after the fight–
Floyd really is afraid to fight pacquiao becasue he knows pacquiao will win.
Other than that the article is good.
all boxing experts know fm is taking low risk fights untile shane mosley ,this fight should of happend long ago .floyeds legasey is tarnished for fighting low risk fighters
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Richard you forgot Mayweathers xylocaine use since 2002. As seen on HBO, he uses it for fights which is suppose to be a no no, but got away with it.
damn, best article!
Really good article.
Well put difeinately not biased just the facts and whoevers side you take (mayweathers for me) there are both pros and cons to eachs stories.
While mayweather is the fighter not the commision he shouldn’t be asking for blood testing this extensive however it was during contract talks which means you can say what you want before you sign and if you don’t agree then well we know what happened.
And manny, on one hand he shojuldnt have to prove he is on anything however WHY WOULDN’T HE DISPROVE that he is on anythhig? Why didn’t he take the fight and the testing? 25mil bloodtest this raises eyebrows for the fillipino phenom.
Whatever excuses both fighters have one thing is apparent, the fights they are both in now prove how the view the sport. Pac is challanging clottey a little known low punching power opponent whom he most certainly will walk riht through
Mayweather is taking the harder routw with a mosley fight.
Mayweather is attacked constantly for taking on lesser opponents however he tried to fight pac agreed to almost all of camp pacs reqeusts and when that fell through regardless of him having no other option he is fighting mosley a world respected top welter and pac is fighting who? Clottey?
Id have to agreee when I say both fighter pick fights that they know they can win. Not just pbf pac did so as well taking belts from fighters whom weren’t that good. With exception of cotto and MAYBE diaz.
Anyways this article was excellent, shined light on both sides pros and cons
If Pacquiao is taking steroids, he should be already been found guilty on the Morales 2 days blood test before the fights. Period.
Ryan Dunn, in your own report, read below. This is why Pacquiao dont want the blood test before the figth. And did they found any STEROIDS? None, Zero, Zip,
Then Moralesgate™ hit the airwaves, and people learned that in the fight Manny lost to Morales, he had blood taken from his body two days prior, in a NSAC mix-up in which they had misplaced Manny’s original sample from his physical.
The most balanced article I have ever read on this subject at this site. Thanks for the break.
I love this article, very well said! Ryan Dunn you’re the man!
Ryan Dunn, like your posts, well said. Your thoughts, writings are a breath of fresh air in a site full of hatred and ignorance.
Good article