Pound-for-Pound Crown: Part Two
February 17th, 2010
By Mark Ona: I believe that boxing supremacy lies in the gloves of its current WBO welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao. Like Mayweather Jr., Pacquiao began his professional career at 106 pounds, and in their own separate ways; both have consumed their opposition in imposing fashions. For Pacquiao, however, an impeccable archive of victorious wins did not follow as easily. His first loss came when he fought at 113 lbs losing a 12 round decision to his fellow countryman.
The unfortunate outcome for Pacquiao after this match was a 12 round unanimous decision victory for Morales. Deciding to never take a blood test that close to a fight ever again, the Filipino superstar went on to avenge that loss with a TKO victory in the tenth round of their second fight. In the third and much anticipated final bout of their trilogy, Pacquiao gave fans a phenomenal performance sending Morales to the canvas a total of three times and ending any hopes Morales had for a world title in the third round.
Pacquiao continued his reign in the super featherweight division with impressive wins over Jorge Solis, Juan Manuel Marquez, and future hall of famer Marco Antonio Barrera. After his fifth and sixth world titles, he decided to make history and face the WBO welterweight champion, and top pound-for-pound warrior Miguel Angel Cotto. This win marked the legacy of Manny Pacquiao’s illustrious career in the sport of boxing.
If we take into consideration the three boxers both Pacquiao and Mayweather fought, we must take the circumstances surrounding the fights into consideration as well. In Mayweather Jr. vs. Marquez, Mayweather Jr. showcased superb talent with a 12 round unanimous decision win against a fighter that has never fought above 135 lbs; only to appear at the weigh-ins two pounds heavier than their weight agreement and four pounds heavier than the lighter Juan Manuel Marquez. Pacquiao, rather, fought a 24 round war ending in a draw and a win. To his credit, Pacquiao is obviously not the same fighter he was when he clashed with Marquez in early 2008. If the two were to fight now, Pacquiao would only crush and end the Mexican fighter’s career.
In De La Hoya, Pretty Boy Floyd admissibly won a close 12 round split decision in 2007, only to retire avoiding any possible rematch that the Golden Boy had already demanded. While in 2008, Pacquiao dismantled the boxing legend not allowing him to advance past round eight. Though it was known that De La Hoya became dehydrated cutting down to 145 lbs. Pacquiao still rose two full weight classes above what was already considered to be too heavy for him at the time.
Hatton challenged Mayweather Jr. at 147 lbs, a weight class undeniably uncomfortable for the English boxer; considering that Hatton has only competed at 147 lbs. on one other occasion in his career. Hatton was completely outclassed before being knocked out in the tenth round. This fight, nonetheless, was another admirable performance by Floyd Mayweather Jr. As for the Filipino phenom, six minutes was a sufficient amount of time to beat his opponent. Before the sound of the bell in the second round, Pacquiao delivered to Hatton a left hook to the chin that paralyzed the Hitman for several minutes. This, once again, demonstrated the breed of big punchers that Pacquiao comes from.
The dictionary defines a champion as a person who has defeated all opponents in a competition. All of the greats: Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roy Jones Jr., and now Manny Pacquiao, have losses in their careers, yet they have confronted the best fighters in their respective weight classes. Pacquiao continues to amaze audiences with his style and his heart. He has already cemented his fellowship amongst the greatest boxers of all time. Before Floyd Mayweather Jr. can be crowned the undisputed pound-for-pound best boxer of our era, he must first beat the best boxers of our era, or he could just beat Manny Pacquiao!
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Thanks Donkey, I forgot about the Barrera rematch too.
@jsmooth, at least get your facts straight. You stated that Pac only gave one rematch? You need to do your homework. This is an entry level question for Who Wants to be a Millionaire? Pac had TWO rematches with Morales and another rematch with Marquez.
As for DLH, Oscar called out Manny, if you recall, not the other way around. He wanted a big name he could look good against and what better than a fighter on a tear THREE weight classes below him? You are not suggesting the should have fought at 154, are you? Oscar was much more effective in his career at 147 anyway. It is not Pac’s fault if he overtrained and came into the fight at 145. He is a professional. He should know better. Tommy Hearns weighed 145 for his champtionship showdown with Sugar Ray Leonard when they fought for the 147 lb title. And he lost probably because of that. He had nothing left in the championship rounds. But I don’t think ODH would have beat Manny at any weight that night. Don’t forget Pac’s last fight before DLH was at 135 lbs. He was skippining 2 weight classes as it was just to accomodate DLH. And DLH is not a puncher. He also wanted 10 oz gloves. 8 oz gloves are what is called for in WW fights. You want to handicap Pac further by making him fight with pillows on his hands. Come on. B objective.
@jaysmooth ODLH make himself lose,no one ask him to fight manny that time,he is the one calling for manny to fight him,after manny defeated all the mexican legends, thats why manny called the “mexicutioner”. and ODLH thought he was the last hope for the mexicans because he got a mexican blood. before the fight everybody said ODLH will crash pacquiao but instead he was force to retirement in which mayweather should have done ,but no mayweather won by SPLIT decision only,means ODLH should won if he didnt gas at late rounds. thats why mayweather wouldnt fight for a rematch with ODLH,so he retired to save his face. and for the weight issue he should come to the fight hydrated like any other fighter example moseley,clottey they weigh at least 160 lbs on the day of the fight. and also for the weight issue if a fighter is dehydrated it affect the power of the punch,if you saw the fight,ODLH didnt touch manny. so stop the excuses,you all sounds SOUR LOSERS
TO ALL YOU PACQUIAO FANS WHO THINK HE AND FREDDIE ARE INCAPABLE OF USING STEROIDS
Trainer Freddie Roach said, “The Ruiz fight, James was coming off an injury and we didn’t have enough time for it to completely heal. He wasn’t at one-hundred percent. The steroids didn’t seem to affect him at all, we didn’t even know it was still in his system for that fight. James was just himself in the Ruiz fight. His boxing ability won him the fight.
NOW, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK HE’S NOT DOING THE SAME THING WITH PAC….LMAO
@Mario G
and what weight did Oscar and Manny fight at? Let me help you 147 and what size gloves did they use? let me help u 8oz. What weight did Oscar and Floyd fight at? Let me help you on this as well, Oscar came in at his regualar everyday weight. What size gloves did they use 10oz. So, you want to compare the fight between Oscar/Floyd and Oscar/Manny. You can’t unless they both fought Oscar using the same glove weight, and same weight division. Floyd agreed to fight he at whatever he asked and he beat him. If you tell me to go from 185lb to 160lbs in 3 months, I am pretty much starving myself and i will be weak and my stamina will do shot. Apparently none of you have been athletes before or YOu would know that. Two different weight classes and two different glove sizes. That the difference. Now what excuse you want to use now?
@donkey
First off Paul williams and Cotto were still solidify themselves in boxing. Second, off how many times did Oscar or Pacman give someone a rematch? Huh, once. So, he didn’t have to give anyone a rematch. Third off, if you watched the 24/7 which i think you did. You would have know that he said his body was wearing down and needed a break from boxing( not verbatim) so don’t come back and say he didn’t say it like that. He was having back, knee, and hand problems. He need to let his body heal. I gave you three reasons that are all factual.
@donkey — Pac is the top guy now and talking about retiring after his next fight. This is his prime, so, why is he trying to retire without fighting Paul Williams, Shane Mosely, or Floyd? Well, we already know why he won’t fight Floyd. But Mosely or Williams won’t require “The Test”.
Floyd reached his goal, which had been for a long time to make that ODLH money. He fought and beat the biggest name in boxing, at that time. ODLH was still competitive then, albeit a few years past his prime. But, he was not the Mummy that Pac faced. Floyd was part of the biggest PPV, in the history of the sport. A rematch probably would not have topped that, and the result would have been the same. He was the better boxer, at that point…period. Name another fighter he could’ve fought, and achieved the same or greater. There was not one. So, he retired.
But, now he’s rested, wants to (may need to) make some more money, and enjoys the sport again. He’s the PPV attraction, an nobody else, except maybe Pac, can attract the buys that be can. So, it’s not about him pursuing all these nobody’s to get a fight. If it don’t make dollars, it don’t make sense. Makin money with Manny was plan A. Shane was plan B. Hopefully, making money with Manny is also plan C.
@Fighter, you considered Marquez a warmup for Mayweather and a triumph for Mayweather. Well different weights and different times. Pac and JMM would be a mismatch if they fought today at Pac’s current weight.
Mayweather ekked out a SPLIT decision when he fought a DLH way past his prime. True he was even further past his prime when he fought Pac, but Pack OBLITERATED him and MADE HIM QUIT ON HIS STOOL. After the fight, DLH was screaming for a rematch. May was so afraid of losing his 0 that he retired rather than face DLH again in the ring even though he was offered all the money in the world to do it. I haven’t heard DLH asking Pac for a rematch. Did I miss that article? It took May morethan half the fight to finally ko a blown up Ricky Hatton fighting 7 pounds over his weight class. Pac, blew him away with the most devastating one punch knockout since Hearns KO;s Duran. Honestly can you ever imagine Mayweather knocking someone out with one punch like that? He fought JMM THREE weight classes above his natural weight and STILL barely managed one lonely knockdown in a UD. So don’t go comparing common opponents unless you compare ALL of them.
Fighter if you truly believe that it Floyd could Pac a juiced up Pac and he could even fight him if he had swine flu at the time of the fight and it would still be a mismatch, then Floyd has to go down in history as the dumbest boxer to ever step into the ring for essentially killing the fight over this unlimited blood testing nonsense and letting an EASY $25M fly away. Apparently he does not have the same confidence in his abilities as you do. DLH hit Mayweather plenty of times. Look at the fight again. Rocked his head back a few times as I recall. What do you think will happen when Manny hits him? Floyd is the fastest fighter Manny has ever faced. No doubt about that. But Pac is the fastest fighter Floyd has ever faced too, and the hardest puncher with unpredictable angles. Pac’s opponents say the same thing, that they couldn’t see the punches coming. Floyd is not a god. He has amazing talent and a defensive genius and has a higher boxing IQ then anyone, including Pac. BUT HE CAN BE HIT. And Pac WILL hit him. And it will be the hardest he has every been hit and by the fastest most unpredictable punches. AND THAT IS WHAT MAKES IT SUCH A GREAT FIGHT AND THAT IS WHY THEY WERE BOTH GOING TO MAKE $5m EACH. Too bad Mayweather made excuse after excuse after excuse. He was more interested in conning to public to his side. A real fighter fights in the ring. Enough of this nonsense. The unlimited random urine tests and the 3 blood tests including one immediately after the fight should be enough. Stop coming up with more and more hoops for this man to jump thru before u will fight him. If you don’t want to the fight, just say so OR retire again and proclaim you have accomplished all there is in your carerr and there is no one else out there. Floyd is delucsional. That he is afraid to face Pac just seems painfully obvious to me. If not, he would have just frigging fought him already and picked up his easy $25M payday.
Look guys there’s a lot of opinion’s here, many biased to Floyd, lets be very clear and fair about this, TO BE THE BEST YOU HAVE TO BEAT THE BEST AND FLOYW HASN’T FOUGHT THE BEST BUT PACMAN HAS AND HAS MORE HEART AND HONOUR IN HIS PINKY THAN MAYWEATHER WHO IS THE “ARTFUL DODGER”..
@ Fighter
Fortunately for you, you’ll never know what it’s like to be an athlete; to put hours and hours in of hard work training for a fight. Any competitor of any sport knows that competition is as much mental, if not more important than the physical aspects. If you don’t believe you’re gonna win, you’ve already lost! But I guess you’re the expert here, and all the other boxing analysts don’t know what they’re talkin about!
Put him in there against Colazzo, Floyd, or Shane, and maybe Berto. He’ll be embarassed, and quickly fall back to the ranks of fighting guys like..well, Clottey, or Marquez. Maquez was a warmup for Mayweather, and was some sort of triumph for Manny.
Let me rephrase that. Floyd would embarass Manny…if he had the balls to fight him. I don’t care if Manny was juicing, and Floyd had swine flu, his awkward, no footwork havin ass would get destroyed against Floyd, or any technically sound boxer with some speed. Who was the las guy to fight Manny who was known for speed? None.
Motown makes the exact point I was elluding to. Pacquiao is being propped up by the boxing execs. Plain and simple. Just like Hatton was. He gets the benefit of the doubt, even though he’s less of a fighter, has accomplshed less, and has losses on his record. Floyd is who he is, but let’s be honest; Manny would get rocked against Floyd. It would be a slow, technical fight, in which Floyd would dance all night, but he would still pretty much embarass Manny.
what don’t you idiots understand…the word professional means fighting for pay..amateurs fight for free…they did NOT start their professional careers in the same weight division idiots!!!
Yo dawg, nice article!
Whoever wrote this crap, and whoever beleives it is a damn fool. First he’s saying that Pacquiao would now crush Marquez, a whole year and a half later. What does that say, when he drawed him not long ago??? A little PED’s with your weaties Manny? How is it that Floyd dominated him for 12 of 12 rounds, but Manny drawed with him, that Manny’s the better fighter. I don’t like Floyd, and think he needs to fight tougher fights (which he’s doing now in fighting a hall of famer, and Manny’s fighting a journeyman), but Floyd has fought the same if not better level of comp as Manny…AND NEVER LOST!!! If Manny would have faught Gatti back in the time when Gatti was doing great, he would have another loss, because Manny at that time had discipline problems, and was not the fighter he is now. We can go through hypotheticals all day, most of which Floyd would be at the winning end of.
Listen, I don’t like Floyd. He’s arrogant, afraid to engage, shys away from tough, or awkward, or just hard nosed fighters (ie Williams, Margarito,) he’s boring to watch, because he runs all night, and avoids, and does just enough to win. He’s not good for the sport. But in the face of all this, he’s still a better fighter than Manny. He’s more technical. He follows the rules, even though he does not have to. He rolls, he tucks, he uses footwork, and he’s faster than Manny. However, I DO think Manny’s more exciting to watch. You can’t fault either guy for their styles, people just gotta call it what it is, and put emotion aside. Stop riding Floyd’s strap, Stop being a groupie for Manny. They both have flaws. Manny has not exactly faught the toughest guys either. He’s faught second rate guys until Cotto. You have to applaud him for his selection process. Pick big names, but guys who are overrated and underskilled (Hatton) or OLD, (oscar) or who have a disparaging speed handicap (Marquez), or are a journeymen (Clottey, who I hope knocks him out). You can’t be the best, and fight less than the best to get there.
Pacman ko’s Diaz and Oscar steps up to the plate and fight Pacman. Manny destroys Oscar, in a fight
everyone thought Manny was crazy for taking because of his size. Then Hitman courageously steps in the ring with Manny and almost gets decapitated and could not beat the 3 minute count. Cotto, who ducks no one decides to get in the ring to face Pacman. Cotto gives an valiant effort but can’t match the firepower and is beaten. Now its time for “Money Mayweather” to step up. What does Mayweather do. He chickens the fcuk out like the coward he is. Mayweather wanted his P4P title back and fighting Manny was not worth the health risk. Roy Jones once ducked Tarver and faught Ruiz at heavyweight. We all know what happened when Roy faught Tarver at a later date. I can’t believe Floyd would retire again without fighting the one guy who now holds his once P4P tilte. But with Floyd and his clowns following, nothing would surprise me. Floyd has a big future in WWE if he wants.
As a Pacquiao fan, I’m glad to see an article giving him recognition. However I must say it is a little biased. Not going to get into details because everyone has their own opinion and will stick by them. I still think Mayweather is the better boxer but Pacquiao deserves the accolades that he has received. 55 professional fights at age 31 compared to 40 professional fights at age 32. Pacquaio has been the busier fighter and winning in spectacular fashion. As a boxing fan I very much appreciate getting to see fights. The more the merrier. Thank you Manny! But like I said I still think Mayweather is the better boxer and should be the favorite when the two of them fight which they will. Mayweather vs Pacquaio has the potential to be one of the biggest sporting events in history. Having them fight early in the year with smooth negotiations kind of killed some of the hype just a tad. As compared to having drama, controversy, and fighting in the fall instead of making the projected 40 million each now when they face each other they may make even more. I don’t believe anything coming out of either camp. Mayweather wants random blood test but is ok with 14 days. That eliminates the point of random testing. Pacquaio is suing for defamation, what happened to that? I think it was all BS planned together by both camps to create more hype and push the fight back to fall for more money.
Walk the walk = #1 P4P
So in the end. “He must be on drugs”
How many times have you heard that in your everyday life?
Floyd Jr is not only worried about his big “0″. He is also worried about the fashion he might loose it. He cares about his “0″ loses. He cares about being the only boxer who comes out without any scratches. He cares about looking good when fighting…. The scary thing about Pacquiao is exactly why Floyd Jr is calling him “Dirty”. All of those things that he cares about will be on the line all in one night.
The worst thing that can happen in Floyd Jr scenario is that it goes all the way to the 12 and the score cards. The possibility of being destroyed in front of millions and possibly looking like Manny’s latest victim is greater in his mind than his owns fans. Well, at least Daddy Sr. think so.
Cut-Paste
The make an argument regarding the P4P crown. Manny Pacquiao does not care what that label is. He won’t even admit to it. Sure his handlers and promoters will milk it till it’s blood red. That’s just part of the marketing and taking advantage of the branding.
Now as far as Mayweather who likes to boast about being P4P, he will argue with you till your head hurts so much that the interviewer just gives him the “okay Floyd, good luck to you” closing speech. LOL!
To Manny the labeling does not mean anything. He is letting the critics do the work. For Floyd, it defines him. It’s the only reason he’s making a big dtink about it. The critics feels otherwise. And like Floyd Jr said in an interview, “Critics don’t pay the bills, don’t care what people thinks. Floyd jr. fight for Floyd Jr only”
Interview with Jamie Foxx
Floyd Jr as quoted about Pacquiao “you cant be ordinary and then become extraordinary”. His reasoning to why he thinks Manny is on roids. The crazy part about his statement, lets just assume that Manny is not on anything. That statement alone tell you that Floyd jr is scared $hitless.
Kray,What are you smoking?More importantly,what crap you watching?? MORON!
One day Roach is gonna give Pac the speech Mickey gave to Rocky, when he was about to fight “Clubber” Lang. In this case, that would be Floyd or Shane. “He’ll knock you into tomorrow…Pac (Rock)!” “He’ll kill ya to death!” And, finally after much argument with Roach about the quality of his opposition, and the fact that he’s P4P “King”, “Fighter of the decade”, “just doing my job”,etc, Roach is gonna shout out…”They was picked!” “ODLH was a drained old man, Pac!” “Cotto was brought down to your size, and was never the same after the punishment by Margacheato!” “Hatton was ‘bummified’, after his air of invincibility was KTFO of him by Floyd!”
“You’re not an ATG!” “Clottey is another exhibition fight, bobby and I set up for you, to get you ready for the real test!” When Pac goes home, his wife will shout from the top step…”You’ve seen him, you know how strong he is. You can’t win!” Then Pac jumps into his Maserati and rides off into the night…reflecting on the harsh dose of reality, he’s been given.
my name says it all !!! quit fighting washed has beens and beat floyd mayweather.. people are sick of seeing you beat up these stiffs..man up and take the fully random test and beat a truly great fighter !!
To all the floydnuthuggers that complains about Manny’s accomplishment. Write to the Boxing Writers Association of America (BWAA) and ask them to take away all those awards they have given him coz he does not deserve them.
K Hawker says:
February 18, 2010 at 10:14 am
Good article although slightly biased to pacquiao. Just because professional athletes make a whole lot of money we need to stop expecting them to be superior human beings that against all odds fights whoever is put in front of them with no regard to business or planning of his career. we need to stay out of this world of fantasy where theres a happy ending and the person with the most couragous battle in life triumphs. For all these fantacists need to recognise, ODLH walked into the manny fight extremely drained, Cotto got beat by margarito and the majority beleive clottey aswell. Hatton already got beaten (by floyd) and everyone knows anybody with a big shot would take him out. These are the fights that theyve built manny up to be the P4P king on. its pretty laughable. No doubt manny is exciting, great to watch but if you knock a guy down 3 times how can you justify a draw. This is the real world. just because you respect boxing dont make you anymore right to win than the guy with more talent. The criteria for greatness is displayed over 12 rounds. Mayweather jr 40-0 simple maths devoid of emotion. Try it.
But you forgot that manny is also a washed up fighter 3 losses against cotto and hatton with only 1 loss before their fight
@Mark
Excellent article!!! It clearly states how both fighters are extremly skilled in their craft but in Pacquio’s case he mastered his craft advancing and defeating fighter after fighter. Displaying heart and courage while still remaining humble unlike the trash-talking fighter within your article.I agree that Pacquio is the P4P King and if egos are tamed and money hungry fight deals are met then maybe soon by the end of this year hopefully we will see the two titans battle in the ring!!!
Never gonna happen but a super-six at welter would show who really is the best. Both top fighters with different stlyes, would love to see both their records if they both had to fight the likes of Mosely, Cotto, Berto & Williams.
If Clottey happens to land a lucky punch and ko Pacquiao is he then the P4P king?
imagine these people are trying to put down a guy who worked his butt out poverty and with sheer dedication reached the top of his sport. like they say ‘it’s easy to despise those who got what the others cannot get’ try working hard, maybe with enough perseverance, you can get it too. and the harder you worked on it the sweeter the prize is at the end. that’s how it is for manny.
floyd fans are the best spin doctors! just can’t handle the truth can you? when manny was about to face oscar most said it was low for oscar for fighting the little guy. they didn’t even wanna discuss it. cotto shot? he was throwing bombs up until manny gave him the serious kd on the 4th round. i’d bet that if manny beat all the available wws you’d ridicule him for avoiding mallinagi. either these floyd fans are dumb as hell or it’s just floyd posting under different names.
manny turned pro @ 106 lbs .fm started his amature carrer @ 106 lbs fm had 6 loses ????
go to sleep!
I agree with pretty much everything except the end of the article!!! I dont care if a fighter beats the so called best at the top at that particular time. You cant cherry pick opponents for years and then win one fight against the guy that is recognized at that moment and be considered one of the greats or best fighter of an era!! You have to fight good opponents consistently , taking chances , proving your worth. Sure that beating any top opponent can only help but as they like to say in boxing “styles make fights.” Anybody can suffer a loss at anytime though some are less likely than others. There was one thing that I feel should be on the list of requirements. DO YOU FIGHT GOOD COMPETITION CONSISTENTLY?!!!
Where do they get this clown ass writers from?
BONA: You obviously slanted this article towards Pacquiao because you left out several key points.
1. Mayweather fought DLH at DLH’s natural weight of 154, so Mayweather actually went up two weight classes.
2. Pacquiao was already weighing about 146 lbs. at fight time for the last 5 years. So he fought DLH and only gained a pound to meet DLH at 147. DLH as you pointed out, drained himself to the point where you could see the IV needle marks on his arms. He never had a chance.
3. Cotto had to come down to 145 lbs. From this fight, Pacquiao was now labeled the “Catchweight King” by boxing fans. Pac drained DLH and Cotto which is not a fair fight. There was even talk of fighting Clottey at a “catchweight.” We know the pressure of the online blogs prevented that from happening, as Pacquiao was losing his reputation by having fighters drained themselves and become easy pickings.
Bottomline is that many REAL boxing Fans of the sweet science agree that Pacquiao has not fought a skilled fighter since JMM, so Pacquiao has yet to be tested by a real boxer. Roach knows that. That’s why Roach has gone on record and said that Pacquiao, if he fights Mayweather, would “have to fight a perfect fight to win.”
manny pacman would beat floyd in the first 6 rounds the guy his p4p the best boxer in the last 20 yrs manny destroyed hatton and del hoya can t say mayweather done the same.
I don’t get how Pacquiao and his camp can be glamorized for making their own rules (Catchweights) but when Floyd does it with the drug testing he is being labeled as scarred to fight. Also to some degree everybody hand picks fighters. If they didnt they would fight the guys next in line behind them. Even Ray Leornard wouldnt fight Aaron Pryor back in the day when Pryor called out Leonard while they were in the same room!!!
I like how you down-talk the fights Mayweather has been in and then write how Manny’s fight were the best thing ever. It is easy to tell you are bias. But whatever. It’s an opinion.
Good article although slightly biased to pacquiao. Just because professional athletes make a whole lot of money we need to stop expecting them to be superior human beings that against all odds fights whoever is put in front of them with no regard to business or planning of his career. we need to stay out of this world of fantasy where theres a happy ending and the person with the most couragous battle in life triumphs. For all these fantacists need to recognise, ODLH walked into the manny fight extremely drained, Cotto got beat by margarito and the majority beleive clottey aswell. Hatton already got beaten (by floyd) and everyone knows anybody with a big shot would take him out. These are the fights that theyve built manny up to be the P4P king on. its pretty laughable. No doubt manny is exciting, great to watch but if you knock a guy down 3 times how can you justify a draw. This is the real world. just because you respect boxing dont make you anymore right to win than the guy with more talent. The criteria for greatness is displayed over 12 rounds. Mayweather jr 40-0 simple maths devoid of emotion. Try it.
what??? says:
February 18, 2010 at 8:50 am
his nt in the same bracket as leonard , jones jr, ali and (u noe te rest)
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I agree with you. You’re right. With a record 7 titles in 7 weight classes, he’s above that bracket. Nobody has ever done that in the history of boxing.
if floyd didnt retire pac man wudnt be p4p king he never beaT floyd to win that crown to be the man you gotta beat the man rite money to kill mosely and pacman end of all these arguements
That’s the problem isn’t it. Before Pacquiao fought any of the top fighters from Barrera up to Cotto, many analysts said that the other fighter is bigger or stronger and that Pacquiao’s speed will not be enough to take on the punishment. BUT after the fight, revisionist will say those fighters were actually shot fighters. Give me a break! Let’s take the example of Cotto. You read many articles saying that inspite of Cotto’s beating from Margarito he is still a top fighter. In spite of the catchweight, Cotto is still the naturally bigger and stronger fighter than Pacquiao, and that Manny can’t possibly go toe to toe with Cotto. But we saw what happened. It was Cotto in the end that backpeddaled at the later rounds.
Let’s go even further down memory lane. Before the ODLH-Pacquiao fight, Oscar was much maligned for choosing a smaller fighter in Pacquiao and by asking him to for a fight at 147lbs clearly knowing that Manny until then fought only up to 135lbs. Manny had to go up 2 weight classes. Boxing analysts and afficionados were saying that Pacquiao will not have a chance in defeating a bigger, stronger, and more skillful ODLH. So the fight was a joke favoring only Oscar at the expense of little Manny. But, lo and behold! Pacquiao defeated ODLH, but not just thru a UD but he actually retired Oscar at the opening of the 9th round. Now afterwards, Pacquiao haters revised history, saying Pacquiao fought a shot and over-the-hill Oscar. That Pacquiao fought ODLH at 147 even though it was years since Oscar fought at that weight. Please, don’t revise history. It was ODLH who asked Manny to fight him at 147. Do you expect Manny to go up to 154lbs? Even then, ODLH inspite of his age was the overwhelming favorite. These are the facts.
Its one thing to be a boxing critic, and its one thing to be totally one sided and biased that facts and previous analysis (pre-fight) are discarded. To Pacquiao critics, please be fair and factual for once.
@lex_fugitive
hey dude I better to sleep than to watch that boring and non-sense fights of Mayweather, Oh God! he was just fooling those people who bought that fight tickets!
In this coming fight of Floyd and Mosley I’m sure that fight fans will buy tickets not for Floyd but for Mosley. Moreover, Floyd is now agree to fight Shane in the reason that Shane is not that tough of what he was few years ago, the time that he (Floyd) was resisting to fight Shane…
i don’t see how manny can be awarded fighter of the year 3 times, fighter of the decade (good luck winning the next one floyd) no 1 p4p if he fought shot fighters. maybe it’s not that they were shot before he fought them but more likely they became shot after he demolished them. haters say he avoided this and that fighter but he can’t fight them all in one year. give him time and if we’re lucky, we’ll see him fight them all. (well maybe not floyd cause he’s running scared).
i can’t see any reason why anybody would hate on manny except jealousy. attention: floyd and floyd fans!
@Joe,
Mayweather started his boxing career as an amatuer at 106lbs. While he started fighting as a professional boxer at Super Featherweight. Whereas, Pacquiao immediately started fighting as a professional boxer at 106lbs.
@lex_fugitive,
Just because Morales lost to Barrera doesn’t mean Pacquiao’s win over Morales doesn’t mean anything. Let me remind you that Cotto won over Mosley, and Pacquiao won over Cotto. Using your own logic, in that case Mayweather’s fight over Mosley doesn’t mean anything. Don’t go saying Mosley actually won over Cotto. You’re not one of the judges so you can’t see what they saw at the ringside. If you will insist on that reasoning then lets go to the Mayweather-Castillo fight. Floyd won, but many boxing analyst (these are real bread-and-butter boxing analyst) felt Castillo won that fight. But, I bet you’ll say they’re not the judges. How about the first Pacquiao-Marquez fight, it was a draw right? But, actually Pacquiao won that fight if not for a scoring error w/c one of the judges actually admitted (the 1st round should have been scored a 10-7 round instead of 10-8 due to the fact Marquez was knocked down 3x).
So lex_fugitive stop using the flawed logic that once a boxer has already been defeated, winning over that fighter doesn’t mean much anymore. Remember styles make fights.
When did Mayweather start his pro career at 106 pounds???
This article is very lopsided. Fighting shot fighters does not make you a great fighter. It makes you a good fighter that beat recognizable, but, shot fighters. ODLH was way past his prime, and had trouble rehydrating before the fight. Floyd already laid out the blueprint to beat Hatton, who was UNDEFEATED when they fought. Cotto was not the same fighter, after that Margacheato beatdown. To make it worse, Manny fought him at a catchweight, for his WW title. That was not the same fighter who fought a close fight with SSM. He looked bigger, stonger, and more confident, in that fight. Pac has not proven himself against a good, strong, confident, WW, yet. Now, Clottey is not what I consider a shot fighter. Even if Pac beats him easily, I will not say it’s because he was shot. But, he has flaws, which will be easy for Pac to exploit, unless he fights outside his norm. Roach even said, he’s not that good. Calling Manny an ATG, is premature.
This article is very bias: This guy is pretty much saying that Cotto solidified Mannys career..This is the biggest joke i have heard. Dont get me wrong Cotto is a great fighter. But, when you look at the fighter Floyd fought in the past they were in there prime. The were the best in there division. Castillo was a good, Baldimoir was undefeated for 8 years prior to losing, Zap Was good, Manfredy was good, Corley was good, Hatton was undefeated and rank very high on the p4p list, ODLH may have been past his prime. But who has many fought that is worth anything, please don’t say JMM. Cotto I will give him that. Oscar and Hatton were beaten by Floyd First. Regardless of how long it took, he beat them. So, who has manny really fought that could match up to the fighters that Floyd Fought. You can say oh they were smaller all you want but if you look the numbers on Boxrec. they were all the same times. With the exception of a few fights.
Manny Pacquiao harrashed while training caught on TV.
@Boxxerr ,
Lol your comment really made me laugh so hard, nice one! That’s another way of looking at the meaning of “Pound for pound!”.
@eddie,
Thanks! and you’re right about Pacquaio only fighting once on a catchweight, and that’s with Cotto, I just realized that now. The way that is always being brought up as an issue by some of Manny’s detractors you will think he always fights via a catchweight. People need to remember that inspite of the 145lbs catchweight, Cotto was still considered too big and too strong for Pacquiao. I guess that’s why Manny’s camp no longer insisted on a catchweight for the Clottey fight coz now they feel confident fighting someone at 147lbs. Personally, I still think fighting Clottey is very dangerous. I saw the Clottey-Cotto fight, and it was too close to call. Clottey really showed strength and power that gave Cotto some problems. If not for that early knockdown of Clottey, he may have won instead.
Manny Pacquiao Pound for Pound King
Pound for Pound means you keep pounding your apponent.
Not run around and not get hit.
When did Pacquiao fight the best in his weight class? Morales lost to Barrera. Then after beating Manny he lost to Rahim. Barrera got schooled by Marquez and had two life and death battles with Juarez right before that. No one claims Diaz was the best at 135. The consensus is he was the worst title-holder at that weight class. Hatton wasn’t considered the best at 140 anymore either. He would have gotten knocked out by Lazcano if the ref didn’t stop the beating Hatton was getting to let him tie his shoe! And Cotto? Really? A good win, but the #1 welterweight happened to be Mosley. Barrera I and Marquez are the only time he has ever fought the best in any weight class. And an interrupted training camp and head surgery affected Barrera in their first match. Mayweather actually cleaned out 130 and 135. What division did Manny clean out? none. Also, most observers felt Mayweather clearly and easily beat ODLH. Landing 85 more punches while throwing 106 less. Throwing a lot of punches don’t win rounds if none of them land. All in all though not bad, except for the blatant lie that Manny has fought the best in any weight class, let alone all of them. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, and this author obviously believes throwing more punches should win rounds, and the earlier a knockout the better the fighter. But by that definition Roy Jones Jr. wasn’t too good in his prime.
Mr Ona
Superb article im glad that u see both men as great fighters but it is undeniable that paquiao is the greatest boxer of our era, until mayweather actually challenges himself paquiao will always be the better man.
to j@sz im with you man
@Mark Ona,
Great article. I couldn’t agree more. Pacquiao and Mayweather are both excellent fighters. What differentiate Pacquiao is his ability to go against the odds. He usually goes into a fight the underdog and comes out later the top dog.
@wanted,
Mayweather actually started his amateur boxing career at 106 lbs wherein he also won the national Golden Gloves championships in 1993.
he only fight one catch wieght fight. and thats the cotto fight.
wanted calm down man. its only boxing. plus your trying to defend a boxer that avoid good fighter. yes ill tell you pbf is a coward. and yes mayweather is a one dimensional fighter. people, try to watch pbf’s fight again and again. youll see what im talking about.
Both are great fighters but Manny seems to be chasing Floyd in my opinion. Fighting the fighters that Floyd has fought. Having all these weight stipulations. How can you be pound for pound when your fighting catchweight fights? I thought pound for pound was exactly what it says, not catchweight for you but my natural weight for me. The excuse of, well the other fighters agreed? This article stinks. Prove to me how if you can’t come in at the weight limit in a particular weight class won’t give you a disadvantage. I have won a lot money on
Manny but now I’m seeing that I’ve been cheating just like him.
I don’t respect this article!! In the Mayweather article you point out past and present crap like the Castillo fight and the NOT EVEN CLOSE split with DLH but say nothing about catchweights, rehydration clauses, the 2nd Marquez fight which everybody thought Pac lost!! Or the obvious that if DLH was past his prime then what the F**k was he when Pac fought him?! Atleast Mayweather let DLH fight at a more comfortable weight! I love Pac but if you’re going to make an article about to fighters don’t be bias!!!
and the blood test wasnt his only excuse. he also sayed they didnt allow him to wear his preferd gloves.
mayweather didnt start his career at 106
Yeah, I will lose this fight because I got a big mouth and I drink my own pizz at the same time…..mmmm yummy!
If I were to fight pacman again, I will get knocked out with both my feet up in the air. I am a really funny boxer when I get knocked down because i raise both my feet up in the air. Why do I do this? Even when Mayweather knocked me down, both my feet were up in the air. I am a really funny boxer.
pacman would destroy mayweather because he remind me of kostya because both were never big mouth they proved themselves in the ring [mayweather and jab juda very big mouths] kostya and pacman very similar both i think have more respect for boxing
His first loss is a 3rd round knockout against Rustico Torrecampo, yes his countryman.