Pacquiao vs. Mayweather: Winner Take All

HEY IDIOTS! They’re not really considering a winner take all fight with Mayweather. Freddie Roach is just running his mouth like he always does.

TO JAYSMOOTH WHY IS IT FLOYMAYWEATHER NOT DEMANDING A BLOOD TEST TO OSCAR DELAHOYA, HATTON, AND MARQUEZ? WHY HE WANTS A BLOOD TEST TO MANNY PACQUAIO BEFORE 2 DAYS ON HIS FIGHT? IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO YOU JAYSMOOTH? THE REAL THING IS FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS VERY SCARED TO PACQUIAO HE KNOWS HE WILL KNOCK OUT IF THEY WILL FIGHT IN THE RING. JUST SIGN A CONTRACT CRYING BABY FLOYDMAYWEATHER I KNOW YOU WILL SENT TO THE HOSPITAL AFTER YOU FIGHT MANNY PACQAUIAO!!!!!

@Kray, thanks for the intelligent response with no juvenile insults or texting slang. It is a welcome relief. Whether Mayweather is a bigger draw is debatable today. We will see. Floyd cheats in everything he does if he feels he can get away with it. PPV numbers also relate to PPV prices too. When Floyd fought JMM, he had movie theatre tickets available for $15 per ticket. I wonder how many of those figured into his million ppv buys? So to the phrase “numers don’t lie”, well USUALLY not, but when it comes to Mayweather, there is no “usually”. When Pac fought Cotto he had no such misleading scams to artificially boost his ppv numbers. But yes his ODH fight did outdo Manny’s fight with DLH but there are no absolutes. Everything has an “if and or but” to it. DLH’s star had dimmed somewhat by the time he fought Pac and everyone thought is was going to be a mismatch. But by and large, all things being equal, I can see your point. This time around, Floyd got lucky. Mosley fell into his lap and Mosley wasn’t available when Pac went looking. WE both know that if Floyd could have gotten away with fighting Matthew Hatton without being lynched by the public we would be seeing M Hatton and Mayweather on May 1st instead. But yeah, Mosley will certainly outsell Clottey no matter who he is fighting, that is if Floyd doesn’t come down with a rib injury in training.

AS for your point that Floyd would never intentionally derail a $30M payday over this blood testing issue, yes he would if he did not want the fight in the first place. It was his perfect excuse. His way out. Put it this way, Manny agreed to unlimited urine testing, right? AND 3 blood tests including one right after the fight. He doesn’t want the random and unlimited because he feels it will weaken him and that would be like harrassment all during training. And the fact that it bothers Pac and doensn’t affect Floyd one bit, is the whole point! It is that difference that Mayweather is exploiting. Pac agreed to as many urine tests unlimited random with no cut off date as Floyd wanted becasue they were non invasive and did not bother him a bit. Do youreally think that if there were an advanced urine test or saliva or hair follicle that tested for everything, that we would be talking cut off dates or random vs non random or limited vs unlimited? Someone here made a post that a spinal tap was better than all the tests combined. So why isn’t Floyd pushing for spinal tap testing? You know, just to be sure. The stakes are too high for any mistakes to be tolerated. Richt? The reason is that even Floyd does not want to go thru random and unlimited spinal taps all during his training. So how far do we take this? Floyd didn’t wake up one day and decide to go on a crusade to clean up boxing on his 41st fight. I say come up with a non invasive test or combination of tests, that will detect whatever everyone is so concerned about and this entire issue goes away. There really is no place in professional sports for invasive drug testing. If there were such a non invasive test out there, then all of this nonsense stops. Immediately. And we can all go out and have a drink and talk about something else for a change. Floyd invented this invasive blood testing issue becasue it waw his way out of the fight. He could never ever accept being beaten, or perhaps even humiliated, in the ring by Pac. Maybe that wouldn’t happen. Maybe it will be like Floyd vs JMM. But maybe it woudl and Floyd could not live with himself if that happened to him. He would probably ask Pac to take a dna test to prove he was not from another planet.

@jaysmooth, you know I didn’t want to take you on because you seem like a pretty emotional guy but I keep reading your posts and I keep shaking my head. So I will be happy to debate this with you as long as you don’t reply with juvenile name calling and insults. This is not about who can better insult the other. We are all supposed to be here just putting in our two cents. So if you will keep it on an adult level, I will do the same. OK?

First, if you are knocking the other posters here for not being objective, then you be objective yourself. Let’s start with your comment that Pac has gotten everything he wanted and “what has Mayweather gotten? NOTHING” That was what you wrote, right? Ok, let’s start with glove size. I wasn’t sure so I looked it up. Apparently, for a ww fight, every state (other than Nevada) calls for 8 oz gloves up to 147 pounds. Everything North of 147 calls for 10 oz gloves. There have been many instances in Nevada where 147 fought at 8 oz anyway. Manny agreed to fight in Nevada even though the super stadium in Dallas made much more sense. I understand that xylocaine is illegal in most states but not in Nevada. Truthfully I got that from the other posters here and did not have the time to look that one up, so, if I am wrong, feel free to correct me. But certainly injecting your hands with a numbing agent while ou are in the dressing room befoer a fight so that you will not feel anything when u punch has got to give a decided advantage, don’t u think, illegal or not. Kind of makes for an “uneven playing field” I would think. Manny could have demanded no xylocaine in the contract but he obviusly felt he could beat Floyd with it or without it and he wanted the fight so that never became an issue. So, point one, the glove size was NOT a concession by Floyd. That is what the norm is in all states with the sole exception of Nevada, and even that state has had many exceptions, such as Cotto Margarito.

Second, the purse. You know, everytime I read about the purse split it just leaves me again in amazement of the blindness you keep talking about. BOTH sides are blind. If you are a Pac fan you will say that Pac caved on that one. Pac was the champion, the bigger draw, the more exciting fighter to watch. He demanded and was absolutely entitled to the larger share of the purse but, to placate Mayweather, he gave in and agreed to 50/50. If you are a Floyd fan you will say that the purse split was Floyd;s concession to Manny. He is the bigger draw. He has a perfect record. blah blah blah. The truth is the neither side is right. They BOTH gave in. Theword for this is called “compromise”. the $10M per pound penalty. That was not a concession either. BOTH fighters are subject to the same penalty. If Manmy comes in over, he has to pay Floyd the same penalty. Now I realize that is a ridiculous comment since Manny would have a hard time making 147 much less coming in over, but that makes the point that just because two fighters agree to the same conditions, sometimes it does not mean the same thing for both fighters. CAse in point, the random blood testing. Additionally the $10M penalty is a smoke screen It could be $100M. It wouldn’t make a difference. No one is going to pay it because both will come in at weight. Mayweather is simply agreeing not to cheat. Now if he had to submit to something like say…random and unlimited liver biopsies all thorought his training leading up to the fight just to make sure he was not cheating on the weight, we might have a more even analogy. But as it is, you cannot compare a weight penalty, THAT WILL NEVER BE IMPOSED, to random and unlimited blood testing that will start immediately.

There are only two reasons why Pac will not agree to the random and unlimited blood testing. 1 is that it is invasive and it will interfere with his training OR 2 is that he is juicing and doesn’t want to get caught and the urine testing won’t pick up the illegal testing he is using nad neither witll the blood test immediately after the fight.

Looking at it objectively, the eyes of the whole world are on Pac right now. I just don’t see him taking that king of a risk. If he were on something and the after the fight blood test (or hair follicle or saliva or evan an invasive spinal tap, so long as it was taken after the fight) tested positive, his entire life would be utterly destroyed. It would be a bigger fall than OJ Simpson. It just doesn’t make sense.

Lastly, about the PEDs. No it is not a slam dunk. Marion Jones was a runner not a boxer. A rod a baseball player not a boxer. You dont see body builders in boxing for a reason. Vargas was on steroids and got knocked out by DLH. Now if you put plaster of paris on your hand wraps and took the padding out of your gloves, that is an entirely different story.

Southpaw, that is good to know. But a spinal tap, no matter how accurate, only makes matters worse. If Manny didn’t like having to undergo blood tests, can you imagine him (or anyone for that matter) doing “random and unlimited” spinal taps!! Actually maybe that WOULD solve the problem. I don’t think that Mayweather would be too happy about having to submit to spinal taps either. So if spinal taps were the way to to ABSOLUTELY sure and Pac had no problem with spinal taps but Mayweather had a big problem with them, can you imagine what excuse Mayweather would have to come up with to get out having to submit to them? That would actually be pretty funny. I would pay to see that interview.

The whole point I was trying to make is to get away from INVASIVE drug testing. Can you just imagine if all athletes in every sport from now on all had to submit to random and unlimited SPINAL TAPS? If that is the absolute most accurate test, then, using Mayweather’s logic, they all should, right? Invasive testing. THAT is the problem here. If the new advances in urine testing will do the trick, problem solved. In fact if ANY NON INVASIVE testing will do it, this entire issue goes away and Mayweather will have to invest a brand new excuse not to have to face Pac in the ring. Any invasive testing, such as spinal taps, or even blood testing, has got to become obsolete and replaced by a better non invasive form of testing that will do the same thing. It is the only air tight solution to this problem.

@juan aussie

lol.. you are such a moron.. So, you think Floyd should agree to the winner take all proposal that Team Pac has put on the table. You think he should and if he doesn’t he is afraid right. So, you don’t think that is stupid being that manny want agree to the blood testing. So, you think thats not bulling the way team Pac are through these things at Floyd. Like i have said you are look at thing through a keyhole and not a window. You only see things one way..just think about it, when Floyd ask of something, he is being a bully but when Manny ask for something, he is being fair right? Thats so dumb.

@juan aussie
@SIG357
At both of u idiots, how could you just say floyd is scared. What you are not seeing is that Team Pac is trying to take the heat off of Manny and the Random Blood Test by putting a Winners take all fight out there. It doesn’t take away from the Fact that manny refused to agree to the random blood test. Its another attend that his camp is tryin to find a reason not to do the random test.

@bloopers101, you ask what the heck is mayweather talking about if he is asking manny for a blood test if manny say he is willing to take the test. If that is your question, then why didn’t manny want to agree to what was on the table at the time and why didn’t manny bring these this attitude when they went to mediation with the judge. just think about it.

If manny is will to fight this winner takes all fight, then why dont’ he agree to the random blood test before the fight. His camp can not get everything they want and nothing the Mayweather Camp wants. they got the glove size, the ring size, they got the 10mil per pound in the contract. what has Floyd Mayweather asked them of and gotten…NOthing..

Elijah, thanks for your comment. Finally an intelligent answer. I respect that. OK, let me answer your questions. You DO realize that IF there is a urine test or some other non invasive test that would do what blood testing does, we could put this issue to bed once and for all, agreed? So the question you asked me was, where did I hear that? I wrote that I have heard it both ways and I wrote that I was no expert and I wrote that I did not know who was right or who was wrong. But my source of information is from all of these posts from different articles (sorry if my “source” is not more scientific than that but I did say I did not know who was right or who was wrong). Every now and then you find someone who has some semblance of a brain. This one guy was getting real specific and went into pretty exacting detail of the names of the tests, what each test did and didn’t do, etc. etc. Apparently there have been some recent advances in urine testing that make it able to detect everything. He sadi that hair follicle was the best of all but very expensive, which wouldn’t matter on these megafights but would get a little expensive if it became a new standard for all fights because of that cost. I think this is the biggest issue of all, because if these things can be detected by non invasive methods it would make blood testing obsolete and then, yes if Manny refused to take any non invasive test such as urine, saliva or hair follicle, I would be the first one to agree he was hiding something. But seeing as how he easily agreed to as much urine testing as Mayweahter wanted, I really cannot see him putting any restrictions on any kind of drug tests that were non restrictive. I don’t have the time but someone should really look into that. Mayweather would probably hang onto that blood testing issue with a death grip and wouldl have to see absolute irrefutable evidenced that a non invasive test woudl be sufficient and I am sure he could always dig up some medical expert to refute it, because I belive it is the invasiveness of the blood testing that he likes because he knows how much it bothers Pac and he is exploiting that to his advantage and disguising it to the public as that he decided to become the crusader to clean up boxing. Now he HAS to require ir for all his future fights, even with fighters without Pac’s physical suspicions, or he will look like an ass. Non invasive testing is the way to go and resolves this entire debate. If it is out there, make that the new standard, end of story. If it is not out there or not perfected yet, someone should figure it out and patent it. They figured out how to grow hair and make your
D hard. They should be able to come up with a non invasive test that detects whatever anyone could be taking. Really, invasive testing has no place in professional sports since it could take away from and distract the athlete from what he is supposed to be focusing on. Having to undergo invasive testing shoudl not be a requirement of any athlete. There shoudl be non invasive tests to make this entire issue go away.

@justthefacts – I did not say that Manny didn’t make any concessions. Of course he did; otherwise, the negotiations might’ve ended much earlier. But, Floyd was not out of bounds, by asking for a 50/50 split or his name first on the marquee.

Numbers don’t lie…against common opponents, his PPV numbers were much higher. So, obviously, based on the numbers, he was a bigger draw than Manny, at that point and time. Manny’s “fighter of the decade” status, had no merit during those negotiations, as he had not been awarded with that, yet. Maybe he can use that, next time around.

As far as Manny being the more exciting fighter, that is subjective, and carried no weight in the negotiations. Again, numbers don’t lie about who’s fights brought in more revenue, overall.
Maybe he can make that argument, next time around. Although his fight will, most likely, not bring in revenue than Floyd’s, and they may both very well hold belts, at that time.

You took “every” and ran with it. I was stating that every ISSUE that Mayweather could’ve taken issue with, like gloves, ring size, weight penalty, etc.–basically, things he was expected to raise hell about–he relented on.

And the blood testing was MUTUAL, because, they were both going to be subjected to the same testing procedure. How it affects one versus the other, is something else altogether.

It’s foolish to say that Floyd knew Manny would spoil a payday for himself and Floyd, because Floyd asked for OSDT. Just as it is foolish to say Manny knew Floyd would spoil a payday for both of them, by rejecting the $10 mil weight penalty, proposed by Pac. Your bias towards Pacquiao, is influencing your belief that Floyd scared to make a fight that stands to make him $30 mil or more—for 1 nights work. The “facts just” don’t tell us that do they–pun intended? In fact–”just the facts”, the “facts just” tell us that Manny walked away from the fight, because of a fear, based solely on a superstition.

But, now, Manny is saying the blood test is all good, based on what he told the reporter at KTLA. So, that shouldn’t be a sticking point, in future negotiations, should it?

If you believe that I got a bridge in Brooklyn, I want to sell you…

@Elijah, you are delusional. Anyone who buys into what Mayweather is saying is the kind of person who buys products you see on infomercials on TV. You probably have a Ginsu Knife in your kitchen somewhere. These are the kinds of people who will buy anything. If I had a lead list with all these names and numbers I would make a fortune. But enough of that. To answer your inquiry, the difference between Manny’s 14 day out with Hatton and Mayweather’s 14 days are:

1. Hatton was 24 days as it was later uncovered since the segment shown on 24/7 14 days before the fight was actually shot 24 days out. Probably why Pac agreed to go fro 30 to 24 because that was a good argument.

2. Mayweather’s 14 days out is not just one single test 14 days out as was the case with Hatton. It is unrelenting random and unlimited over and over and over all throughout the entire training camp. Essentially Pac will be harrassed throughout his entire training camp and can only put in a good 11 days of hard serious uninterrupted training after the last blood test of 14 days out.

Don’t you find it the teensiest of bit odd that Mayweather had 40 fights prior to this and not so much as a peep about blood testing until he had to face Pac? This is not about testing. This is about imposing unlimited invasive tests on Pac to exploit the fact that to Mayweather taking blood means nothing and to Pac it would have a serious affect upon his training. Think about this one, before you write back and call me a “nuthugger” or a “fanboy” or some equally juvenile name calling word, some people say that there are tests out there that will do what blood testing will only more accurately and better. I am no drug testing expert. I don’t know who is right and who is wrong. But if it is true that there is a non invasive test, or even a combination of non invasive tests, such as urine, saliva or hair follicle, that will detect everything that blood testing would, do you really think we would still be arguing over cut off dates and random vs non random or unlimited vs limited? Do you really think the only reason that Pac agreed to unlimited urine and only 3 blood tests including one right after the fight, was because he was juicing and would not get caught only if he avoided the blood tests and that he just had some magic way of not testing positive on the one taken right after the fight? No. If we were talking about non invasive testing, Mayweather would have to had come up with some other excuse to get out of having to face Pac in the ring. And no I am not a “Pac lover”. IF Pac were taking drugs I would be the first one to call him a phony. I just cannot believe that Mayweather has gotten so many people to buy into his spins. He is a con man. Plain and simple. He is not the savior of boxing who woke up one day and decided to go on this crusade and clean up boxing. There is absolutely nothing in his past that is consistent with this and people just don’t wake up one day and decide to go on crusades. Maybe he heard voices telling him to do it. Maybe he had an epiphany. OR maybe his just conning everyone. ….. What do YOU think?

@pussieboxfan Have you considered the fact that maybe i have been looking at the situation from both sides and this is what i noticed? I dont even like mayweather. I havent for years. I just see this pattern constantly and its mind boggling. I agree 100% that manny has brought a lot of excitement back to boxing. But after looking at the facts to why the fight did not happen all the blame pionts to him. If you pacnuts were logical and honest with yourselves, you would see that too.

This is an unrealistic statement, but he only said it to call Mayweather’s bluff. What he should have said is lets do the fight 65%-35% or 75%-25% winner takes the bigger share. Each camp will have cost associated with training for the fight so a huge share vs a smaller share at least puts the challenge out there in realistic terms. I believe Pac would do it, but there is no way Floyd is going to risk getting his butt kicked, losing his zero, and going home with a fraction of or no money.

oh no!!!!! this is not how sports of boxing works, besides its not up to me… and telling everybody his the boss, such a bull this guy is!!!!

This is boxing,name one fighter in history that took a winners takes all match,its stupid.Regardless whatever fighters say,they all fight for the money.No one is getting their head knocked off for nothing.So Roach,and boxing fans don’t be so stupid,sometimes hatred for PBF or Manny makes you say stupid statements.And its not about being scared,boxing is a business,always have always will be.

@xray–According to many experts–which would not include me and, obviously, not you–the advantages of blood doping, hgh, etc, can be capitalized upon, after the drug has, actually, cycled out of your body. At that point it will be undetectable by urine, and with the proper masking agents, undetectable by a blood test too. Hence, a fighter could use this during training and have the advantages of the drug available to him, on fight night.

So, unless you know Floyd or Manny personally, and you’re around them all the time, you cannot say for a FACT that neither guy is using anything ILLEGAL. But, Floyd will be the first to prove it, for his SSM bout. IMO, this “winner talk all” proposition, looks more desperate than courageous. If he doesn’t need to fight PBF for money or legacy, he and Roach should just ignore him and find other opponents. But, cleaning out the WW division may not be an option, since Pac may have to fight Floyd to do that, should he beat Mosely.

Random Blood Test, random blood test….
This is ALL what Floyd fans and Pac haters got….
And they dont even know what the’re talking about.

And it doesnt even exist…its not legit because
theres absolutley no evidence for him to be subjected
to any random blood test. Any blood test is sufficient.
He already said he was willing to give one immediately
after the fight – WHICH FLOYD DIDNT MAKE ANY COMMENT ON.

And some really stupid Floyd fans says that even blood test
a day before the fight is no good because he would have cycled
out of it by Fight Day. Well if you think about it….isnt more advantageous to take the steroid during the last few days before the fight or even a day before or even the day of the fight so you can be as strong as can be ???? So it wouldn’t make sense if Pac was juicing during training and cycle them out a day before, during fight day, a couple of days before the fight or even a week, a weeks before the fight, etc, etc. Why would he just juice on training and not for during the fight ???? Its absurd, ridiculous and idiotic!

This guys must be smoking a very potent pot or hell of a lot of pot, crack or whatever those drugs the’re taking! lol !

@aussiboxingfan – If Manny thinks that a blood test close to fight (2 days based on what he said after the Morales loss) makes him perform at a lower level, who can really argue with that belief. And I stress, BELIEF. But, he also BELIEVES that he must wear 8oz Reyes gloves, and have on the right socks to win. These are EXCUSES, which have obviously become superstitions, after the fact. Had he not lost (Morales I) or had a controversial draw (JMM I), would he have even mentioned these things? I doubt it.

I don’t agree with what you said about Floyd only asking for OSDT, because he knew how it would affect Manny. Floyd could have have fought Manny on the gloves issue, also, since Manny stated, it affected his performance. If he were being petty, he could’ve even thrown a “sock clause”, into the contract, since Manny said the socks he wore affected his performance. So, I do NOT think he was desparately looking for Pac-Man’s “kryptonite”. He could’ve stuck to his guns on something else–money gloves, ring size, $10 mil per pound penatly, etc–if he were trying to ruin the fight. But, instead he relented on every issue, but ONE–the testing. And he agreed to MUTUAL testing, at that.

Roach said, “we will take a test anytime anywhere”, at first. Then ate crow, and did a 180, when he found out that was not agreeable to his fighter. So, evidently, even he didn’t know how big of a deal this was to Manny. So, why would Floyd? Doesn’t make sense. Floyd is clever, not diabolical. He even agreed to compromise the efficacy of the tests, by offering a 14-day cutoff. This does NOT appear like someone who is trying to ruin the fight. It does appear like what it is…someone who, based on what he has seen, is concerned about something he feels is abnormal for a fighter moving up in weight–all muscle, carrying up the power, knocking out bigger guys, etc. Call it a “superstition” too, if you want. Or, is Manny only allowed to have those? These are the same concerns people had about Barry Bonds, even though he had NEVER failed a drug test.

As I said before, IMO, Pac and Roach are bluffing with this “Winner Take All” mess…

For all that don’t see this as a publicity stunt are really programmed. When in the history of boxing has a trainer made the terms of a prize fight? I’ll answer that NEVER, you think the rapist known as Bob Arum would allow the thought of Floyd Mayweather a person who gave him the big f you and left would even have the option to win and take all the money as a final nan-nan-nee-boo-boo moment, HECK NO. The Pacquaio-Mayweather saga is more about Bob Arum & Mayweather, neither wants to see the other come out on this looking better. Don’t believe me, after Mayweather left Top Rank how many of his opponents have been Top Rank fighters? EXACTLY. People say Mayweather ducked this person and that person without knowing the things that aren’t presented to you on a tv.

To all of the Floyd fans who really believes that Floyd is after this random blood test. Tell me, now that Shane has agreed to undergo such, did it start already? When? Who conducted the testing? Or suddenly, it got lost in the media hype isnt it. Now, not even any camp between Floyd nor Shane had come forward and said both of them had already started the Preliminary test and will continue till fight night. Any news about this? Maybe any of you can direct me to news stating they had already undergone such test. In fact, not even one talks about this random blood test anymore. FLoyd was too busy bashing Pacquiao’s name but he never really started his random blood test yet for Mosley nor neither of them. As far as i know, not one camp actually hired a testing agency as of now. And we keep on talking about random test.

i hope this fight happens coz we,ll all see what money mayweathers really made of when pacmans got him pined in the corner with no where to hide. pacman wins hands down but its never goin to come off coz mayweathers running scared like the coward he is

@AUSSIEBOXINGFAN

I Doubt Money will agree to this he might come in oveweight just to collect 10 million dollars LOL

Floyd will only accept “winner take all” if Manny agrees to random testing.

In other words, it’ll never happen.

I think Mayweather is going to lose to Mosley he to occupied with Manny in his head he probably sleeps,dreams and day dreams of Pac all day. He’s like the guy who gets married but thinks of his ex girlfriend all day

Kray; Manny not submitting to the tests was never about him being worried about failing the test. More so, due to the fact that the procedure has an effect on him psychologically. Boxing is 90% psychological, so to submit he would be seriously hindering his chances of victory. Floyd is as aware of this, so all he had to do was demand such a test and claim that he is trying to “clean up all sports” among many other entertaining comments. Knowing that Manny would not submit, Floyd now has an “out”. Quiet a shrewd move imo.
These tests are nothing but mind games, and now Floyd [and Mosley] has to submit to save looking like an ass. To actually buy into this whole Manny is on peds bit, is to not see 5 minuites in front of you. If Floyd REALLY wants Manny and the No1 position in the sport, he’ll have to drop his demands or the fight will not happen….. simple. After all these tests are NOT apart of boxing, and, after they fight the topic will just disappear, so they never will be apart of our beautiful sport.
That would put the ball firmly in the Mayweather court! Unless of course he is happy with being No2.
Manny’s current offer to sit a test, is for the people,[the easily lead] not for Floyd. I am with you on boxing is buisness, and that Roach’s offer of winner takes all will probably amount to nothing. However I am sure both Roach and Manny would happily take the fight under these terms,[not Arum]. 100% of the pot would make great buisness sense and the added excitment to the fans would be immense. Both Roach and Manny have already fought under this warrior’s code. Roach offered to forfeit his cut if Oscar beat Manny, and Manny fought for nothing but his trainers pay on his first title shot way back when. My point is…..They are both risk takers in and out of the ring, this is what makes Manny so exciting and endearing to fans. While the EXACT opposite is true in Floyds case, which explains why he has NO fan base outside America. Floyds skill is unparalled, but skill only takes you so far as both a fighter and a star.
While in his early days Ali was blowing everybody away with his unbelievable skill and speed. However his star became infinately brighter once his speed faded and was able to display his unequaled heart and durability. This quality turned him from villan to hero.
Everybody knows Manny s got heart…
How about floyd??

Now that’s at least 5 million PPV’s!!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
That’s a challenge with a lot of confidence… Good job Freddie!!!
I wonder what M…O…N…E…Y Mayweather’s response is gonna be. I’ll be patiently waiting for the Mayweather response. Now I’m interested in following Floyd’s media apearances coz I’m sure some reporter is gonna ask that question while Money May is on a crusade appearing everywhere to discredit Pac more than to promote his fight with SSM. What’s the answer Floyd? lmao Yeeaaahaaaaa!!!

@Southpaw Truth

..the boxing drug test is a joke which you can see quoted from boxing experts. the mayweathers know this and have every right to know who theyre fighting is clean.

So tell me Southpaw, if they have every right to know who theyre fighting is clean, then why FLoyd will fight Shane Mosley. He’s an admitted steroids user, isnt he. Or you want to say its only Pacquiao he wanted to be branded a PED user thats why he would rather avoid the fight. Didnt you even think of all the nonsense? A fighter suddenly wants a random blood test while he never ask anyone before for it for the last 15-16 years. And oh, i could tell you taht FLoyd is right when he said that Mosley is only desperate for a final payday because i have been saying that myself in every blogs here even before floyd signed the deal. The fact, Floyd would not even sign the contract unless Shane agreed to a dive. Got it.

Also, please, there is no reason for calling a pan group idiots. I was once a hardcore FLoyd then now hardcore Pacquiao. Would you like to ask if i still like Floyd? Of course I do. I wanted to see Floyd-Shane fight 5-6 years ago and it never happened. I wanted to see Floyd-Cotto and same crap. Now, i wanted to see Floyd-Pacquiao without any stipulations just for him to prove he can really beat Pac. BUT, i guess it wont happen either. I’ll guarantee you, Floyd will not win this one. Pacquiao is on the peak of his form, there’s no way floyd can win this. Maybe 4-5 years down the road but not right now.

Winner take all!
Yes! Floyd accept this challenge my boy! This is good for you! You will be fighting an easy fight, against a crazy little midget! And you are a slick boxer that can never get hit by a brawler. The greatest boxer of all time, greater than Ali, or Sugar Ray! You say your up there with Malcolm X and Martin Luther Jr. As you said, it’s not gonna be a surprise if you beat him, since he got beat before! Now, you get all the money, 50million!, not just the extra 15million on your side now, just for you Floyd!, You never really cared for the fans, Legacy don’t pay bills, you’re gonna whup his arse! you said, You get to pay the IRS in full! and you can pay Floyd Sr.’s bailout money & lawyer fees, and buy him a new female boxer as a punching bag. And of course you can pay me more as one of your journalist nuthuggers that I am. So, how about it Floyd? Say what?… you’re saying your scared? You say you cant find your balls? You say your balls gone up to your neck now? ROFLMAO

I can tell you that a majority of US fans 1) like Manny much better than PBF, 2) know he’s the better boxer, 3) find PBF to be an arrogant ae and coward making any excuse to run from this fight.

When Floyd Mayweather said that he wanted to get paid more than Pacquiao and blood testing all the way to the fight night. That’s a very clear statement saying:
MANNY PACQUIAO WILL NEVER FIGHT ME because he is a juicer and will never accept the Olympic style testing.

All Manny has to do is sign the contract to fight Mayweather. Mayweather signed to fight Manny. See, Manny lacks the heart of a champion. No way does Manny ever fight anyone half as good as Mayweather. Floyd cares about the fans, and Manny doesn’t. Thats why Floyd fights the best and Manny ducks them. He knows no one cares about Clottey and want to see him in the ring with Mayweather, Mosley, Williams, Bradley but Manny simply doesn’t care about the fans. He is scared and knows he would get seriously hurt by those guys. Manny NoHeart Pacduck will never fight the best. People just need to understand that. Clottey?!? What??? Please, he’s spent his entire career cherry-picking and has given up on even trying to look like he wants a challenge.

Oh, so now Manny is ready to do OSDT to prove he’s clean? I’ll believe that when it happens. As far as winner take all…BS. All this will accomplish in the end is to get both fighters back to a 50/50 split. And they will still get hung up on the type of testing, testing timeframe, etc., yet again. That’s the real issue here, not agreeing on the split. So, the ball will always be in Pac ‘s court. “Warriors Challenge”, huh? Hmmm…more BS. It does not mean anything, in the grand scheme of things. Above all, this is business. It’s not just about the fighters. Other people have to get paid, promoters, handlers, and so forth. When these two camps sit down at the negotiating table again, that “winner take all” sh*t is going right out the window. What’s worse, is that Roach said it…not Manny. So, it appears more like a trainer with lots of pride and belief in his fighter, than a fighter who is so sure he’s gonna go in there dismantle an A+ fighter. The SSM provides PBF with excellent preparation for a fight with Pac. Clottey does not prepare Pac for Floyd. Roach is not that confident. Otherwise, he would not have said Manny has to fight a perfect fight to win against Floyd. Pac and Roach are bluffing…

People tend to put meaning and their own interpretation to what Manny said! Reporters ask Manny a question in english and because Manny cant really say and interpret himself in your own language, you always assume that he could explain himself the way it would please you Ryan Dunn,talk to Manny in his own dialect and for sure you will understand him more.

Manny cant speak straight english,so if you really want to get straight answers you should learn tagalog,manny is a fighter,it is very hard to see how dumb people always mis interpret Manny!

Elijah: Have you considered the fact that you yourself are too ignorant to really understand what it is that people are saying. Especially when their view does is not in accordance with your own. There is a word that is used to describe comments like your last post, i.e Ironic….. Look it up.

USMC: It is a shame that American boxing fans such as yourself, are sadly in the minority
You are a credit to yourself and to your people. More, good Americans such as yourself need no longer remain silent. All the best mate!

Floyd would NEVER agree to this! He is an “entertainer” not a fighter. This is the prime reason Pacman has a global fan base, compared to Floyd’s limited american fan base. Floyd openly admit’s “legacy dont pay the bills” there are plenty other pearls of wisdom just like this from the “money man”.It is VERY clear that Floyd couldn’t care less about his fans or the sport of boxing.
Roach’s statement certainly proves their confidence of victory and their fighting spirit.

Good job Ryan, wow ……….

Anyway, fighter take all, not going to happen. I’m sure Manny wouldn’t care necessarily if he fought for free, but there’s no way Mayweather will accede to it. However, I say they do something similar to the Hopkins/Jones fight. Winner by KO takes 65-70 of the purse. Now THAT boxing fans, is marketing!

Winner take all at Texas stadium, no Xylocaine Floyd can’t fight pass the 6th round cause those brittle hands landing on Pacs melon head will cause him not to answer the bell for the 7th round

@Taurus45
I can assure you that the statement ‘winner takes all’ came from Manny Pacquiao and relayed it to the master. The “bahala-na, sigue-sigue, kayamo-kayako mentality is not a Pinoy attitude as you stated but a character of a malay race.

Manny Pacquiao is from the southern part of the P.I. where true warriors are from. Did you even know that .45 ACP was develop
for the moros fighting in Mindanao because Lapu-Lapu’s men just won’t quit fighting the Americans?

you know juan aussie manny pacman he was borned in philppines not in u.s.a you must to understand he’s accent. how about floyd mayweather he can speak a filipino dialect? i don’t think so. this is boxing man

How about this……

Instead of ‘winner take all’ they show it on free TV instead PPV?

if in a very remote way, that winner take all pushes through, is UD, SD counted?
or they need to slug it out until the other guy can no longer fight?

I know TAURUS45 and we know about it by heart dude – the people that don’t is non-Pacquiao fans!

To all Pacquiao fans:

What made you guys think that this “winner take all” statement was Freddie Roach’s. You should had known better, that this is a very typical and very Filipino “bahala na” and Sige-sige” attitude. Roach was just simply relaying the message. Do not ever forget how Manny PAcquiao got into boxing. Way back in Manila City when he first entered the Underground Streetfighting, he was simply fighting to put some food for his stomach at that time. So this “Winner take all” statement is nothing, all Pacquiao wanted was just to beat the crap out of Mayweather. Damn, you “flips” should know this.

how about “good blood”? cheezey, yes

The way things are happening in the boxing world is that Manny Pacquiao is winning all the awards and accolades that were offered in the past 3 years. It will be that way for this year and when he retire from boxing. The Pacman had hundreds of thousands and millions of boxing fans because of his dedication and the right attitude he is displaying. He is a true boxing sportsman because of how he treat his fans, audience, people around him and the watching public. Most of all, his recognition of God in having this success that never leaves his mind before and after a fight. He always mention how God has given him the strength and that inspires him for that will to win in every fight. All his fights are for the Filipino people and for his country, the Philippines. Long live the Filipinos! “The Filipinos are worth dying for” – quote from Benigno ‘Ninoy’ Aquino the husband of the late President Corazon ‘Cory’ Aquino.

Let me chime in for two seconds.

Winner Take All….. probably a virtual impossibility with promotions and Vegas being the way it is. But man, what a great way to get the promoters to shoulder some of the risk. It would add so much impact when the judges read the scorecards, and you’re cutting from Richard Schaefer, to Bob Arum, to Oscar De La Hoya then back to the fighters.

Oh man. Well we can dream anyways.

…ryan

manny will agree to roach for a winner takes all. money is nothing much for manny. he only wants to shut up mayweather… and proves that he got what we have now because of hard work. bet i tell you… he’ll be a beast if he comes up to the ring with floyd… taking everything from floyd.

‘Winner Takes All’ is a bold statement with the intent to dare your opponent to man up and show some balls kind’a thing. Should be interesting to see their guaranteed $25 million purse on a contract bet… ‘winner takes $50 million’.

I know floyd family friends right here posting a demand for floyd,get the message to floyd.end of year fight.

winner take all with a rematch. good fantasy, one for the ages

Can you imagine Manny Pacquiao agreeing to the random blood test. But the counter is winner take all.

Manny speaking in English with a heavy accent. “Eeeyes, eye mean, eye will tek da blaad test but ahhh Maywedder has to agree to ahh WINNER TAKE ALL”

manny would love to get his chance too hold and love floyd.floyd would get good loving attention .its be no knock till the stuffing pulled of of floyd butt.

you really think the FMJ vs SM will only get 500 PPV buysI highly doubt that. I think the manny vs joshua will bomb in the PPV numbers. Thats why HBO isnt making a 24/7 series for pacroid. They know that fight has no interest at all in the public eyes…

Like I said this will turn into non-resolving conversation all that makes us is to tense us. We need this 2 guys fight period. We need to see them in the ring.
They will never agree to anything now! let us wait and see who got more excuses next time they make negotiations.

floyd afraid of being ko,ed ,its easy floyd,you will not remember a thing,a nap.
grow some balls.

@A

Some people are of scared snakes,worms and bugs and I’m not.Drawing blood for Pacquiao it bothers him, for Floyd it’s walk in the park. Floyd just want to win the fight before even going into the ring over a smaller,one dimensional fighter.

Winner Take All! Mayweather said it’s an easy fight.It cannot
get any better than this for him.Take it all Floyd,don’t be SCARED!

once again winner take all would never hapen the fighters trainers promoters woud never sign off to that. this is jus talk

Winner take all. Sounds like this is really getting personal isn’t it? Don’t know if this is good but would really want to know what FLoyd would say about this. But winner take all is one hell of a challenge if you know you dont have a clear shot of winning. Well lets see.

Joshua is a B rated fighter. Humn, didnt know that. But i know he is rated No. 5 out of 1472 Welterweights worldwide. If Clottey is a B-rated fighter, what rate does Matthew Hatton belongs to.

yo pacfan

the marquez fight there was a contract and it stipulate dthat floyd would pay 300 thou fo every pound over. thats y they never was exact on the wight of the fight. they never set a real wieght limit buddy

You guys misunderstood what Freddie means by “winner take all.” It means that Freddie believed and very confident that Manny will beat Floyd. Since he’s Manny’s training coach, he knows what Manny can do when it comes to fight night. Remember, Manny is the Bruce Lee of boxing. Why just now that Floyd is trying to clean up the boxing world when he himself never played fair against Marquez. C’mon guys, use your common sense and don’t fall on whatever, Floyd says, he’s only making up excuses.

bloopers101

random means they have the right to test u any day they want befo the fight and after the fight.it does not mean theyl do it every day. this way it makes the fighter not know when the test is so he dont use things to mask out the steroids. and floyd would b takin the same tests so y is it a big deal. i understand if he sayed only pac has to go threw these test. but he is goin to do them . thats what a clean fighter does

i could care less what floyd says n if someone else demanded the blood testing it still would b the same to me. what i care about is all these athletes that have lied before and stated that theyr steroid free and then the truth comes out n they are not steroid free. all i want is some clarity. and by takin the test manny wouldve proved alot of thing. y would a clean guy not wan take a test. o wat they are willing to take one now lol u bunch of birds

how could a guy b scared and a coward by demanding blood testing? is it that he knew manny was dirty and would decline it thats y he demanded it?. it dont make sense man. theyr both goin to go threw it he ain makin manny do nething that floyd wouldnt b doin himself. THEYR BOTH GOIN TO HAVE BLOO DRAWN FROM THEM. and that makes him a coward?. does a coward fight the number 3 p4p fighter?. i believe a coward is who would rather have his name tarnished then take a test. then go fight a b-level fighter. and then have his trainer and him say theyr fine wit blood testing(they wasnt fine wit it couple months ago). and then all this crap bout winner take al n what not. i think they believe that they are talkin to kids. because as an adult i dun buy that shyt

Cleaning the image? You only clean your image when your dirty? Is he dirty? BIG FREAKING NO!

When Floyd Mayweather said that he wanted to get paid more than Pacquiao and blood testing all the way to the fight night. Thats a very clear statement saying:

I WILL NEVER FIGHT MANNY PACQUIAO.

In a more simplier term, a declaration of cowardice. Let face it, Floyd was a top PPV man years ago, but right now, its Pacquiao. Pacquiao also holds the cards such as P4P and WBO belt and Floyd does not really have any upper hand in the negotiation. Maybe if he wins against Mosley which is very unlikely. But still, he is only fighting for the no. 2 spot in the P4P title.

bloopers 101

if he was willing to take the test y didnt he. this is jus talk man they know they got caught n theyr tryina clean up theyr image

wel this i sthe last time im goin to come to this stupid site. because all u guys are stupid. pacs camp would never go fo a winer take all fight. niether would pacs promoters. this is jus bs talk tryina hide away the fact that they turned down blood testing. now theyr al macho?. where was this talk during negotiations. they didnt wana take tests back in the days but now theyr ok wit it?. and u guys keep buyin this crap. u bunch of idiots. no one would ever take a fight a winer take al. it jus dont work like that this is al talk. n lately al roach is doin is talk. u guys say that floyd sr talks alot of shyt. y dont u guys go and read up on some coments roach has sayed

Fans always let emotions get in the way of making any damn sense. Freddie makes a dumb comment, and people go off the deep end with pathetic ideas. The writer of this crap has nothing good to write about, but he knows it will entice responses. The goal is to get people involved. Unfortunately, I am one of them. It’s all a game to make everyone rich, but stupid and emotional fans don’t see it.

wow i been proven wrong. lol u pacfans believe this?. u guys are idiots

Here we go again! Mayweather fans are not trying to do counter back to the words of Pacquiao team but to say “Take the test” – HE IS WILLING TO DO THE TEST! Do you think that Philippines have that technology like that for a long time….think again! When is the last time you see a great boxer that dominate american boxing that came from the Philippines – I don’t recall anybody!

Take the challenge and boxing fans will be able to see the greatest fight ever !

Calvin tells Manny: “People want to know if you’re using steroids,” at which point Manny stops what he’s doing and replies “No, I don’t know what [Mayweather's] talking about. I’m willing to do a medical, or blood test or whatever, to [prove I'm] clean.”

TEST? Read this part. its actually written in this same article. And Pacquiao was talking not Roach. So whats the crap about the Fu@#$ng test.

this is pretty stupid actually. i respect roach for being a great trainer but sometimes he says the dumbest things and by now i pretty much realize you can dismiss some of the things he says. here is a much better solution since they claim they are not afraid of testing; take the f&*#ing tests!
before this whole PEDs crap came about i never would have guessed or suspected that pacquiao was a dirty fighter. and to a degree i still feel that way. but i remember when all this was going down.
first roach and team pacman claimed they were not opposed to any form of testing mayweather wanted including random. this was immediately after the cotto fight.
then negotiations begin for the mayweather fight, and suddenly team pacquiao changed their stance saying they didn’t want random testing. instead they wanted to know the dates of the tests which were not to be closer than 30 days to the fight.
i remember during the lead up to the fight i was updating my brother who is a rabid pacquiao fan that pac didn’t want to take the tests (after saying he would) and he just shook his head. even he felt something was wrong with that and so do i.

I wonder if Floyd would insunuate that there should be a blood test and testicle test every round.

This news came out yesterday, does anyone knows if FLoyd has an answer or he’s hiding again. Or he is now in a meeting with GBP, Haymon and Ellerbe on what to say and how to counter this one.

Damn, i want to know if he is a MAN enough to accept this.

U pacman groupies need to wise up. Floyd is a pure boxer. A pure boxer. Manny cannot beat him in a million years. Even with all the drugs he has in him, maywheather will tie him up.
The blue print to beating pac is good defence, box of the back foot, jab, jab, and when he gets close tie him up. Pac cannot beat slick fighters.

I remember a cousin of mine back in the philippines who is quite close to Pacquiao’s team and quoted Pac was saying “that if he and Floyd should fight, he will never go for a KNOCKOUT”. He wants and will make it sure that Floyd would last the full 12 rounds so Floyd would look like a the ugliest dog when the fight is over, and he (PAC) actually said, “just for fun”.

Winner take all! WOW !

I don’t recall any boxing fight ever close to suggesting such a thing! This is gonna be a hell of a fight when it happen. I assume that the Mayweather surely agreeing to this one, they want money, and they look like money. But I don’t know if they can pull it out! Pacquiao and his team are really confident to say something like this.

For sure, Floyd will never take the challenge as HE KNOWS THAT HE WILL NEVER, EVER WIN AGAINST PACQUIAO IN THE RING. NOT IN THIS LIFETIME. MAYBE WHEN PACQUIAO RETIRES, THEN HE CAN SAY AGAIN THAT HE IS THE BEST FIGHTER THERE IS.

COME ON FLOYD ACCEPT TEH CHALLENGE, SHOW MANNY PACQUIAO THAT YOU ARE REALLY A MAN AS YOU CALL YOU ARE.

Winner take all.

This is what is should be with all of the stupid drama that Mayweather was creating. NOW, LET ME SEE IF FLOYD WILL BE A MAN TO TAKE THE CHALLENGE. This is a perfect challenge from whom FLoyd called, a PED user, someone who lost and got knocked down before, midget, etc,etc and no matter what, will never wins against HIM the almighty FLoyd. So for a change,

FLOYD SHOULD PRETEND TO BE A MAN and accept the challenge. Let me who is the real MAN now.

All FLOYd really has to say IS,

I AM A MAN AND I Will ACCEPT THE CHALLENGE.

Big balls! like the ones in soup #5, but will they accept the random blood tests on those terms?