Mayweather: “Pacquiao didn’t want to take a $25 million dollar drug test”
February 8th, 2010
By William Mackay: In an interview at Sportsradiointerviews, undefeated Floyd Mayweather Jr. commented on why he thinks his March 13th mega fight with Manny Pacquiao went down the drains. Mayweather says “Manny Pacquiao didn’t want to take a 25 million dollar drug test. I had a clause that I wanted and he [Pacquiao] had a clause that he wanted. His clause, what he wanted, was every pound that I weighed over 147, they wanted me to pay ten million dollars. I said no problem, each pound I’ll pay ten million dollars, my clause for him was for us both to take random blood tests. The only thing that I’m trying to do is clean up the sports period.”
Mayweather was in effect asking for something that’s not even required in the state of Nevada for fights. However, it was Mayweather’s request in the contract and something that the two could negotiate over. If Pacquiao didn’t want to take the random blood tests, then the fight was a no go.
As it was, Pacquiao eventually agreed to take the random blood tests up to a point, asking for them to be stopped 24 days before the fight. By having the tests stop 24 days before the fight, you couldn’t really consider this being random drug testing by definition since Pacquiao and his team wanted limits to the testing. It was then up to Mayweather to agree to this or not.
Mayweather says “He [Pacquiao] asked me to do one thing [talking about the ten million dollar per pound weight penalty in the contract] and I asked him to do another thing. The thing is this: a fighter before asked me ‘Floyd, if you weight this much over will you pay?’ I said yes. We’ve done it in the past. Simple as that. I asked him to do one thing. He had something that he wanted me to do and I had something that I wanted him to do. He didn’t live up to his end of the bargain. I lived up to my end of the bargain.”
In fairness to Pacquiao, the blood testing was a really tricky thing for him and not as easy as it might seem. Pacquiao believes that he is weakened when he has blood taken from his body, even small amounts of blood like the kind used for the random blood testing. This is why Pacquiao didn’t want to take the blood tests anywhere close to the fight, because it would give Mayweather an extra edge.
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How about a different title:
“MAYWEATHER DIDN’T WANT TO TAKE $25 MILLION JUST TO SHUT HIS MOUTH AND FIGHT”
OR
“MAYWEATHER DIDN’T WANT TO TAKE $25 MILLION AND GET KNOCKED OUT”
All he needed to do was fight. Especially since he was the one who called out Pacquiao to fight.
Plus Mayweather is spreading a lie. Pacquiao agreed to be tested. What Pacquiao didn’t want was the schedule that Mayweather was promoting.
Again, MAYWEATHER CLEANING UP BOXING IS LIKE THE MAFIA GETTING RID OF POLICE CORRUPTION.
If he is serious about changing boxing, he should lobby through Nevada State Athletic Commission. Has he done it? NO. Not one step to do such a thing to this date. There you go, all talk and no action.
All propaganda to discredit Pacquiao.
There is no doubt that there will be more testing in the future of boxing. But the future is not invasive blood test. Technology will improve and tests will be simpler, quicker but more effective.
RB0043, that is the stupest argument I ever heard. Floyd’s right??? He lived up to “his end of the bargain?” You are equatng the per pound penalty with random and unlmited blood testing? The per pound penalty is only a “what if” condition. Floyd does not have to actually pay anything. All he has to do is agree not to cheat. It could be a $100M per pound penalty. What difference does it make if he is never going to pay it. This is stupid smoke and mirrors argument. Plus which that penalty was necessary because Floyd is an admitted and proven weight cheater (JM Marquez fight – what about that “even playing field” floyd?) Now the random and unlmited blood testing, that is a condition that Pac ACTUALLY HAS TO SUBMIT TO and it will go on and on, unlmited and random all during his training. You don’t see a slight difference here in those two conditions? ANd by the way, Pac agreed to the same exact weight penalty if he comes in overweight too. Tha’t ridiculous you say because Pac would never come in over? I agree with you. Same condition for both but different for each fighter becasue they are different people. Same with both agreeing to the same random and unlimited blood testing. Different experience for each fighter even they are both doing the same thing. One it bothers, and the other it doesn’t.
I robot, don’t you find it just a little bit curious that May all of a sudden had an “epifany” and just coincidentally decided to “clean up the sport” when he was supposed to fight Pac? Where was his “cleaning up the sport” crusade for all of his previous 40 fights? May is a con man. Everything he says is a spin meant to manipulate the public pure and simple. I am amazed at how many people he has fooled. This is not about cleaning up the sport. This is about harrassing Pac because May knows how much is averse to having his blood taken. He only wants blood taken because it is an invasive test. There are new urine tests that have just come out that now detect everything a blood test does and more. Google it if you don’ believe me. I agree with you that all the athletes should be tested to make sure they are clean. But if there is a test out there that is nonivasive, that does not interfere with their training, why not use that one. Blood testing is obsolete. And, by the way, PEDs, hgs and steroids do not turn you into superman or te incredible hulk. ODH KNOCKED OUT Vargas when Vargas was on steroids when he fought him. It is not like removing the padding in your gloves and putting plaster in your hand wraps. Now THAT is dangerous kind of cheating. Steroids? HGH? PEDs? Yawn. If May felt he was as good as he boasts he is he wouldn’t have walked away from an easy $5M payday. He was afraid of fighing Pac because of how good Pac is. His father feels he is only that good because he is juicing but he is afraid to fight him nevertheless. So if it turns out he is NOT juicing, all of a sudden he is NOT afraid anymore? Does that make any sense. May was looking for an excuse to get out of the fight without losing face and he found it so he can protect his precious 0 and not get embarrassd by becoming another Pac victim. What a coward.
Gotta agree with Floyd on cleaning up the sport, even though I think He ducks fights too much.
Too many fighters have been caught cheating so just imagine how many get under the radar, Boxings gotta clean up its act.
Random blood tests should be mandatory, like in the olympics, because people put their health on the line when they fight.
Like I-robot, my logic is undeniable.
@BibleofBoxing, I agree. The text slang is not cool. It’s impossible to understand and it’s annoying.
Ryan, if what you are saying is true about hair and saliva testing, and if it can be objectively and factually and inarguably and unequivically (whew!) proven that these tests work just as good, if not even better than, blood tests, the you should not be wasting your time on these sites dealing with these people who think that these are sites best used for name calling rather than making meaningful comments. You should be writing Bob Arum or the sportscasters. If what you are saying is true, this needs to be shouted to the rooftops. (Mayvbe we can hire Mayweather Sr. if there was something in it for him, to get the message across). Because if true, this SOLVES THE IMPASSE FOR A FUTURE PAC MAYWEATEHR FIGHT. Of course I believe this was all a ruse anyway and Mayweather will most likely ignore the facts and call for the blood testing anyway because he knows it is his easy ticket out of the fight.
@lacmup, yes I agree. Dope testing needs to be updated. Where I disagree is that who says that blood testing is the answer? Oh I forgot, doctor Mayweather says so. ok ok. Thatis good enough for me. Sarcasm aside, the answer is in high tech urine testing which is non invasive and will DETECT EVERYTHING A BLOOD TEST WILL AND MORE AND DO IT WITH MORE ACCURACY MAKING BLOOD TESTING OBSOLETE!!!!!
@lacmup, yes I agree. Dope testing needs to be updated. Where I disagree is that who says that blood testing is the answer? Oh I forgot, doctor Mayweather says so. ok ok. Thatis good enough for me. Sarcasm aside, the answer is in high tech urine testing which is non invasive and will DETECT EVERYTHING A BLOOD TEST WILL AND MORE AND DO IT WITH MORE ACCURACY MAKING BLOOD TESTING OBSOLETE!!!!!
@money mayweather: I read the last sentence of your post wherre you wrote that 10 our ofg 10 times “Mayweather would beat Pacquiao if they fought ROIDS OR NO ROIDS?” Is that your “final answer?” Really. That’s not what May Sr. said. He said he would be afraid of his son getting seriously hurt if he were to fight Pac all juiced up. His exact words were that his son was the best but that even the best can get hurt fighting someone who was on PEDs. My bigger question is if May can beat Pac 10 out of 10 times ROIDS OR NO ROIDS, can you please explain to me why he walked away from a $45M easy payday because Pac wouldn’t take excessive blood testing over and above unlimited urine testing he agreed to to prove to May that he was clean of those “roids?” He must have been pretty f’ing concerned about something to walk away from $45M. Does that make any sense to you at all? Why not fight him without the testing requirement and then, when Pac tested positive in the after the fight test and May kicked his “punk ass” anyway, May would be on top of the world and no one could doubt his greatness. hmmmm
Floyds right. He lived up to his end of the bargain, which to me is pretty outragious and Manny didn’t live up to his. Its a test manny take the test, its your chance to prove you are the greatest plus you’ll get $25 million while doing it. If he’s going to through this down the drain cause he thinks taken blood makes him week then obviously hes not one of the greats.
Try and imagine Mohammed Ali saying something like that,”no Im not going to take the test because I think it will make me weak,” haha what a joke….
Pacquaio not taking the blood test becuase of his belief that it weakens him is sort of a paradox since boxing is a contact sport. I guess he rather lose his blood in the ring. =p
money mayweather: You seem awfully confident about that. “Floyd could fight Manny ten times and win every time…. roids or no roids” I dont think the Mayweather’s are as confident of that? Otherwise May would have shown the “sack” and fought under the regular rules, you know… the rules that EVERY boxer in the history of the sport has fought under. And as for beating Manny “in or out of the ring”… “anytime” Have you seen or heard how Floyd conducts himself outside the ring? He acts like a two bit gangster! Manny’s a politician with a professional and humble attitude to life. Manny wins outside the ring hands down…. Unless you were refering to a street fight when you said “out of the ring”?? please tell me you weren’t!
I said it before,and i will say it again.Mayweather is taking on the more difficult opponent in fighting Shane Mosley than Manny Pacquiao.Yes,this is my opinion,but soon when the two get in the ring it will become a reality.Again my opinion(happy).And to all the people that assume right away that you are a pro Mayweather jr fan or pro Manny fan just because they dont agree with you i will settle your curiosity.I am not a Floyd jr fan or a Manny Pac fan.I am a boxing fan period.
Mayweather go away with this drug test crap if your so worried about the money. Than you should have fought Pac with todays test
I wonder why MM has waited until the end of his career to “clean up all sports… period!”?
So your saying that Manny was going to fight with Floyd jrs demand of random blood testing untill there was Mayweather Sr allegations of Pacquiao taking some kind of steroid?That Manny feelings were hurt?So thats the reason for Pacquiao to ditch the fight to go fight someont that he beat,beat the man that he’s now fighting?
Lets see,what would be the best possible way to deal with this situation if yuo were Many.Not fight the biggest fight of your career because someone made a statement that you(Manny) may be on some kind of steroid.Ditch the fight and not make the most money of your career.Have people now sceptical of your accomplishments because you have one guy(Manny) that doesnt want to take the testing that his opponent (Floyd jr) was willing to take.To go and take the fight to court.
Or,fight the biggest fight of your career,beat Mayweather and prove to all your doubters that you are not taking any kind of steroids and be considered the best fighter of our generation,some may say one of the best P4P of all times.I will let you do the math.
@ares
I have to agree to disagree about when the change in tone came from Team Pacquiao. Yes, the clause was in there from the jump, and YES, Roach said they would agree to the blood and urine, though not with Manny’s consent.
But all of that changed when some of the intel leaked that Team Mayweather was saying slanderous things about Manny. You have to remember that when the contract was presented, there wasn’t any malice in the request for blood testing. It was a simple request and one that seemed odd but fair enough.
Once the Shade 45 interview came out with RA the Rugged Man, where Floyd accuses Manny of PED abuse and goes on to say that Philipines makes some of the best drugs in the world, then the tenor changed. Further that with GBP and Malignaggi making absurd, unfounded statements about Manny. The wildfire was set, and Manny was severely defended. He filed (didn’t threaten, but filed) a lawsuit against Team Mayweather and GBP.
I think you have half the story right, but your motive for Manny’s withdrawal from the negotiations is off base a little bit, from my point of view. Freddie is a straight-talker, and he never saw Mayweather as a big problem for Manny. Manny goes with Freddie and Arum when it comes to match-making. And Freddie sees dollar signs in the match-up as well.
There’s no motive that I can see for Manny to duck that fight. Why should he? He’s not afraid to lose, he’s lost already. He’s not afraid of Floyd’s brute strength, because Floyd doesn’t have any. He’s not afraid of damaging his legacy, he already has cemented it. He’s not worried about doing damage that will hurt his career, he’s planning on retiring and becoming a senator.
Floyd has some reasons, on the other hand. He wants to stay undefeated. He doesn’t want to take any damage (something he’s stated over and over as an achievement he’s proud of). He has a genuine concern for Manny’s punching power. He is not as financially stable as a man of his earning power should be, which means he is affected greatly if his stock goes down. Some might say he came back to boxing for the money, as he’s said his self: Legacy don’t pay the bills. Skills pay bills.
I can’t subscribe to Manny being afraid to fight Floyd and chickening out. Not one bit.
…ryan
ok, is this boxeing or wwe? floyed has said numerous of times he doz wat he doz to sell tix. manny is a great fighter and so is mayweather. i listen to everyone talk bout floyed style and he is afraid to fight certain fighters but how many of you have watched floyed since he has turned pro or even ameture? if you have u wuld kno the type of fighter he his. pac has been great, recently. and not in a negative way but pple just kno ur facts before u make comments that show ur illknoweldge of boxing. manny is great and yes he could beat floyed. and floyed could beat pac,even if u know alot of both mens history. this is not an easy fite to call.but everyone falls into the hype an says some pretty ignorant sh@#%.
@ares
USADA and WADA are indeed the best associations out there for anti-doping. Neither of them have an effective blood test for HGH, which is the main reason they proport blood and urine together. If they institutionalize the CeresNano innovation into their urinalysis (which USADA has funded, in fact) then they can move away from blood.
And hair and saliva are not used by USADA or WADA because their boards have not gone through the laborious process of approving those testing means for athletics, even though hair and saliva are both admissible in a court of law, and have been for some time.
While USADA and WADA may not have a hidden agenda, they indeed care about money, and they don’t have to worry about just one sport, but all sports, including (and especially) the Olympic Games. Hair testing, for example, could be prohibitively expensive to conduct on a broad spectrum of athletes.
In boxing, especially prize fights worth a lot of money, that sort of testing would not be a financial burden whatsoever. So instead of following USADA or WADA strictly, the athletic commissions can consider taking what works from those associations, and adding extra securities and custom testing protocol for their sport.
…ryan
@justthefacts
I’m not worried about the cost in huge prize fights, but if they institute hair testing, for example, and make it a requirement of, say Vegas and California, then every single boxing event, and all of its undercards, and every athlete competing in those states, will be required to undergo those tests, and the Commissions are the ones fitting the bill.
All of that said, I still think hair analysis and saliva are both better ways of testing than blood or urine. Blood is too invasive, and urine is too beatable.
…ryan
@ukansodoff: Exactly right. But that should not surprise you. That is May’s pattern. He makes an agin JMM move up TWO weight classes and then STILL needs to cheat on a couple of pounds. Oh, and, in doing so, he also reminded us all once again about how much money he has by making a joke out of the weight penalty. May fights smaller guys to get that edge he needs (you know, just to keep that “even playing field” he keeps talking about) while Pac fights bigger guys. May fought a bigger guy only once and that was because it was a well past him prime DLH who was losing more than he was winning at that time. Boy he really blew DLH out of the water didn’t he? What an exciting fight that was. Sure felt like I got MY money’s worth. How about you? Another sizzling Mayweather fight! (sarcasm intended). And the fight was so close he turned down fort knox money and retired rather than having to face DLH a second time in a rematch. What a true warrior. I don’t know about you, but he sure has MY vote.
I’m not naive about drug testing. Random urine test is as accurate as the blood testing, and Pacman agreed to urine testing. Pacman also agreed to 24 day cut off and blood testing after the fight, which he has a good reason. What more could mayweather ask for? Ahhh…mayweather wants to play mind games because HE knows Pacman will embarass him.
Mayweather wanted Pacman at a disadvantage in the ring or he didnt want to fight him.
What a chicken.
@lace em up: First, UNLIMITED random blood tess amount to a lot more than a “teaspoon” of blood. But I don’t think the amount of blood from a blood test for doping should weaken anybody for any length of time at all. I agree with you there. But I DO beleive Pac when he says it weakens him for 3 days. Sometimes, even though the result is all in your head, it is just as real. Secondly Pac DID agree to unlimited random drug testing. But it was NONINVASIVE urine testing, not blood testing which, being unlmited and random and given how he feels about that, could disrupt his training. I am not an expert but reading other people’s posts who know more than I do, (see Ryan’s post) the new urine tests can detect everything that a blood test will and more. May just wants the blood tests becasue they are invasive and he knows how much Pac is averse to them. He wants them unlimited and random just to screw with his training. The blood test after the fight would detect anything he was taking anyway if you don’t believe the unlimited random urine testing was enough. Just don’t say Pac never agreed to unlimited and random drug testing because he did.
@ Jinx
making dumbass comments doesn’t prove any points. clearly, you’ve never stepped foot in the ring…
@ Booth;
what are you talking duckhed, manny didn’t refuse…manny wanted a 24 days cutoff and another right after the fight while all roads leading to KFC wanted 14 days..i shouldn’t have wasted any time replying to this issue because it’s all rotten and dusted but for the sake of the ignorant and brainless head then things required to be clarified..
just keep paying to see manny beat up b-level fighters and take on floyds leftovers …manny loves you for this !! floyd mayweather could beat pacs last 5 opponents in the same day !! you know that !! come on man ..its time this side show got put in its place dont ya think !! i cant wait till the clottey [who is he] is over so people can see the real fight ..
Wow I didn’t know clotty came in overweight 11 times and no 10 mill per lb. What’s up with that? Floyd is serious about cleaning up boxing so he is keeping to his drug testing for every fight…I don’t think. PAC cares about clotty being overweight because there’s no way clotty will win…PAC and his team need to be serious about every fight
How can an adult compare blood testing to losing blood in a fight from a punch or a headbutt? That is like a guy who is afraid of flying but uses elevators. What does one have to do with the other? And speaking about blood during a fight, I have never seen a boxer not get flustered to some extent if he starts to bleed. Some get more excited than others and some use it as motivation to fight harder. No matter what it can change the outcome of a fight because the boxer may have to change his original plan.
I will say it again. Floyd is a great defensive boxer with great other skills BUT I want to see it against the very best and I want to see it consistently. Not vs Mosley and then vs smaller older guys again. It is not just him I want to see face the best. I want to see the best face the best.
I am a fan of boxing and want to be able to say I saw not one great fighter beat a bum but that I saw two great fighters put on a heck of a battle and fighter A won. If that is Cotto or Mosley, Williams, Floyd oe Manny, I am happy and pleased.
Conversely, I get sick of hearing fans of the Poultry Boy call people haters because this is what they want. Can’t you guys just grow up and realize that boxing is not about one or two guys but rather about the high level and intensity?
How can an adult compare blood testing to losing blood in a fight from a punch or a headbutt? That is like a guy who is afraid of flying but uses elevators. What does one have to do with the other? And speaking about blood during a fight, I have never seen a boxer not get flustered to some
We are talking about someone who INVENTED a mystery email and then paid off Teddy Atlas to vouch for it, just to sway the dumb public to buy into his arguments. And you die hard Mayweather lovers still want to believe this guy? Think about it. The email had to have been invented by the Mayweather camp. Nobody out there acadtually believes this email actually exists, do you? Well if you bleive what the Mayweathers are saying, why they wnat th eblood testing, clean up the sport, etc. then you also MUST believe the email they invented too, right. In for a penny in for a oound. Don’t you feel a little silly when you tell people you belive the email is real? At least Teddy Atlas was paid off for his involvement. We are talking about the MAYWEATHERS here people. These are decent upstanding honest people, right? They would NEVER lie to advance themselves, right? Noooo. of course not. They are……..(drum roll please) the MAYWEATHERS!!!
Ares, and who is the NSAC, chopped liver? What credentials exactly make the USADA the holy grail of dope testing authorities. Their name? So you say that “doctores have said” that both blood and urine is better than just urine. Well if you get 100 doctos in a room you will get 100 different opinions. Don’t ou see that May only wants the blood testing because it is invasive and he is preying on the fact that it bothers Pac, NOT because he is cheating but becasue he is invsive. Even if, it is true that one urine test will detect everything a blood test will, May will never give up the blood test demand because it is his excuse for getting out of the fight he absolutely doesn’t want gracefully. He can always say he does not agree with the experts and he will find some docutor somewhere to couch for him. So if blood and urine is better than just urine, why not do blood, urine, saliva hair follicle, fingernail scraping, and while you are at it throw in DNA too just to make sure Pac is not an alien from another planet. I know I am being a little sarcastic but how far do ou want to take it? If you wanted to check a medical checkup for example to make sure you are healthy, do you have any idea of how many different tests are out there for you to take? You could spend literally hundreds of htousands of dollars and years being tested and I guarantee you, no matter how healthy you are, you are going to find something wrong with you after all those tests. Talk about boxer safety right? clean up the sport, right? The boxing commissions are responsible for making sure the fighters all pass physical exams to make sure they are fit to fight, right? Let’s petition Mayweather Sr. to be our spokesperson to lobby for increased medical checkups for al boxers. Instead of the usual 4 or 5 tests they must pass, let’s make it 4 or 5 HUNDRED tests, you know, just to be absolutely sure. After all, this is a sport where you can lose your life in the ring if you do not go in 100% healthy. My point is, urine is good enough and it is non invasive. Thatis the key. How far do you want to take this? And, as I’ve said before, if May was THAT much better he would fight Pac with or without roids because it really wouldn’t make that much of a difference, especially when he would get toatally “outboxed” all night long accoding to you. Then when he tests positve after the fight, May can go down in history as the greatest of all time since he beat a figher who was on juice. Although I don’t know what is the big accomlishmen on that. DLH did it wihen he knocked out Vargas and no one seemed to think it was such a monumental accompliahment at that time anyway.
@Sean, I agree with you. I just seems as if many Mayweather fans are like the people from invasion of the body snatchers. They have been invaded by aliens and just have to support Mayweahter and buy into whatever little story he decides to thow at them, including actually comparing his Mayweather style blood testing procedure to Pcc’s 100% jusified $10m penalty that we all know he will never pay. Fprget about his fans though. What I cannot understand is how he ever got onto an AT&T commercial. I wouldn’t buy an AT&T product just BECAUSE they have him on their commercials.
TO ALL THE SO CALLED MAYWEATHERS SUPPORTERS;
I can’t comprehend how on earth people at this generation continously support to an individual who is so SELF CENTERED, ARROGANT, HYPOCRITE, MANIPULATIVE, BIG-HEADED, EGOTISTICAL, FRAUD..you named it…from his own words “I LIVE MY LIFE THE WAY I LIVE MY LIFE AND I’M HAPPY WITH WHAT I DO..I LIVE FOR FLOYD MAYWEATHER, I DON’T LIVE FOR THE FANS..SELF PRESERVATIO IS FIRST, I MUST BE HAPPY FIRST BEFORE I CAN MAKE ANYBODY ELSE HAPPY”…didn’t he realized that his fans installed him where he is today?..please people WAKE UP..and the only way to bring MONEY to his senses is by STAYING AWAY FROM HIS COMING FIGHT..
remember this people.
A glass hand is a handicap, but a numb glass hand is 100X deadly.
Xylocain can be injected or spray or directly aply to skin. Jr. can aply some of it to his body to make it painless.
A true boxer must withstand pain.
So Mayweather wants to clean the sport of boxing…
He wants to NSAC to disolve, replace it with MAYWEATHER BOXING ETC..
with Mayweather Sr. as the commisioner, found guilty of selling dope in his streets. Roger as secretary, guilty of beating a woman. and specialy Jr. who only can box at lasvegas coz’ of xylocaine issues( a substance banned at all states except Las Vegas)..
For Mayweather fanatic, the MAYWEATHER COXING ETC. will be more credible than NSAC.
For normaly sane people, they rather stick to NSAC.
@ Bifrin Halgrate
Pacs camp knew from start of negotiations that Floyd wanted these tests. Ive said this alot but ill say it again-Roach said that any type blood/urine test will be fine by them. It was only AFTER Floyd agreed to everything else did testing procedure become a problem. Personally when Floyd snr. first came out said Pac was juicing i didnt take it seriously, but Pacs different excuses for not wanting blood tests have opened peoples eyes. I dont know if pac is juicing or not, but one thing i am convinced of is that Pacs side derailed these negotiations. He simply ducked a fighter who would out-box him
Ryan, other than the fact that I don’t think it really matters what the cost of testing is in a fight that will gross $150M, I agree with everything you wrote. If there are non invasive tests out there that do the same thing, WHY ARE WE ALL STILL TALKING ABOUT BLOOD TESTING ANYMORE? Go Ryan!
Man… ignore all of my typos, it’s getting late on the East Coast.
…ryan
That should have said CeresNano, my bad.
Another note… in cycling, if any athlete tests with a hemotacrit level higher than 50% is suspended for two weeks regardless of whether it was natural (ie. high altitude training or EPO injection). Hemotacrit is the measure of the RBC (red blood cell count) to the overall blood volume in a person’s body. 50% means half the blood is made up of red blood cells. If your hemotacrit rises above 70%, you run a high risk of clotting and heart failure.
Here is more information about hematocrit, which covers a broad definition of why blood doping and EPO abuse is all about (endurance/stamina)…
…ryan
Ares, I never said I didn’t care if he was juicing or not. Don’t read things I never wrote. I would be the first person with the loudest voice to proclaim Pac as a fraud and a phony if it turned out that I was wrong and he really IS on some kind of illegal juice. I am not some blind mindless Pac lover. I am trying to simply add up the facts and come up with a logical conclusion. All I was saying is that DLH knocked out Vargas on steroids. It is not like putting cement in your gloves. Look when Dempsey destroyed Willard, he knocked out all of his teeth and he was half his size. No steroids there but the rumor was that he had plaster in his gloves. Considering he knocked out all this guy’s teeth in a couple of rounds, that would make sense. But really if JMM asked for a rematch and since no one would pay to see that again, if he said just to make it interesting that he wanted a handicap. That he wanted to be allowed, as a condition of hte contract, that he could take as many illegal drugs, peds, hgh steroids or whatever that he wanted, just to, u know, kind of “eventhe playing field” since the first fight showed us that Floyd was much much much better. And if floyd was offered $25M to take that fight under those conditions, DO YOU THINK HE WOULD TURN THAT DOWN? Now if JMM wanted to be able to take the padding out of his gloves and put plater on his hand wraps, Floyd would absolutely turn that fight down.
You guys need to listen to Ryan Dunn.
@ares: Because Clottey never cheated at weighin like Floyd cheated Marquez. Plain and Simple.
Graham, thanks for your answer. You are entitled to your opinion. At least you write a post without all of this juvenile name calling. OK, let’s talk about it. First you took my post too literally. When I said “whatever” I meant, that whether it weakens him, or he is averse to anything invasive, or whether it is psychological and only all in his head (that is what I meant by the word “whatever”) the point is that it bothers him a lot, to the point where it woudl significantly interfere with his training. And if he cannot train properly because of this constant unpleasant invasive blood taking distraction, that is where you have to draw the line. And the only reason the first thing you hear when you hear the name Pacquiao today is “blood testing” is the result of one of the best manufactured from nothing smear campaign in the history of public relations. May Sr. should go into politics or advertising when he retires from training. He apparently is really good at swaying the masses with nothing but inuendo to back it up. He must have been a snake oil salesman in a former life.
Look, Pacquiao is eithe juicing or he is not, right. One of the two. Half the people on these posts think he is and half think he is not and both sides hurl insults at each other back and forth and back and forth and every now and then u even get an intelligen comment. IF he IS juicing, then obviously the reason for not taking the blood test is he doesn’t want to get caught. That woudl make sense. HOWEVER, IF he is NOT juicing, then all of the reasons he has stated for NOT bowing to May’s demands (and I think with all of the conditions and strings and USADA being named as the testing agency – probably on the Mayweather payroll like Teddy Atlas – that it maybe IS unprecedented – just like I said. Yes there may have been instances where one fighter asked for blood testing, but not to this degree and not with these Mayweatheresque particular conditions. For whatever it is worth, I am not from the PHillipines. I have never been there. I am as American as you can get. So you think I would side with Floyd but he is an embarrassment to this country. I think he is a great fighter. But he doesn’t face the best. He just cons people into thinking he does. Sad. Too bad. We will never know how good he really is. Never had a defining fight. Mosely? Pushing 40? That is not a defining fight. He had a defining fight but came up with an excuse to get out of it. Well legacy don’t pay bills, right Floyd?
Mr. Mackay is misinformed about Floyd not making The welterweight limit. He refers to the Marquez fight, where Mayweather came in a pound over a catch-weight that was agreed upon. That weight was 145lb and Floyd came in at 146 lb . That is still one pound under the welterweight limit of 147 lb. Manny has a superstition about blood loss but only when it comes to being checked for PED’s. He was cut for most of the first Morales fight and finished the fight. What about that blood loss. Is loosing blood in a random PED test the limit to his superstition? Blood loss is blood loss so how come no mention about blood lost during a fight?
@The Floyd Sheeple
The only thing blood would be useful for in boxing would be detecting HGH. The only problem with that, is that it’s not the best method anymore. Urinalysis using NanoTrap is better. Anabolic Steroids and EPO can be detected in the urine.
…ryan
@ open eyes
if its fair to ask floyd for $10 mil penalty then why hasnt he asked clottey to agree to the same penalty?? Clottey has not made weight 11 TIMES in his career yet pac didnt ask for the 10mil penalty.
and AGAIN-Manny never tested positive and neither did mosley-shows state athletic commisions drug testing is a joke. Why do people keep defending the fact he dodged a drug test?? Why do people refer to Random testing is BS? If Pac was in any other sport he would be ridiculed, shamed and banned until he took the test. Do people want to see a free for all where fighters can take drugs and load their gloves??
justthefacts,
This is exactly what i mean, you’ve gone on to write a long comment in denfence of Pacquiao on the grounds that blodd testing “…bothers him, weakens him, whatever”. You don’t even care in the reasons why Pacquiao refused an Olympic style blood test do you?
I think you and your friends are doing a commendable job in defending Pacquiao but i think you are just trying too hard. And when i said this issue will never go away, i meant everytime somebody mentions Pacquiao’s name, the first thing that comes into everybody’s mind is “BLOOD TEST”.
Agreeing to pay a penalty to a boxer for him to go on with the fight against an over-weight opponent is normal in boxing especially if that opponent has a history of coming in beyond the weight limit (like Mayweather in his fight against Marquez). Requiring one’s opponent to take random blood test over and above what the proper authority requires is unheard of and smells fishy coming in the heels of unsupported allegations by the Mayweathers that Pacquiao is taking steroids or PEDs. Coming from Mayweather, a person who is notorious of playing mind games to get an advantage over his opponent, the real objective of this random blood testing indeed is suspect. If Mayweather is really sincere in his alleged desire to clean up boxing, he should bring his case to the proper authority and let them change the rules if he is able to convince them to do so. In the meantime, he should just live within the existing rules on drug testing and stop talking about Pacquiao’s refusal to abide by Mayweather’s rules as if he himself is the most righteous person which most of us know that he is not.
Pompous Braggart Fraud would have been unbeatable if he stayed retired. Now, as karma will have it, the same way that he tried to tarnish Pacquiao’s name and legacy with the foolish accusation of PED’s and ‘roids without proof, Maryweather’s name too has been dragged in the mud. He must now fight the true top tier welterweights, not just Mosley, or forever be known as the “chicken/ducker” that he’s been labeled. Fitting that it is his own un-doing. He was a great lightweight and fought tough challenges, but that was long, long ago. Not just Pacman fans, but boxing experts have forgotten his feats. Fraud, potential means “you haven’t done $hite yet” and you may have all the skill and potential, but you didn’t and will never live up to it. Now, Fraud has to fight the best, meaning after Mosley at least 1 or 2 more meaningful fights. He can cherry pick, but after Mosley, he must fight either Pacquiao, Cotto, Williams or someone who can beat him. Anyone who watched the Castillo, Judah and De la Hoya fights against Fraud knows he can be beaten. As Manny showed, he can walk away from Fraud and the drug testing BS that he demanded and still get the respect and props not just from fans but experts. Fraud on the other hand, was a forgotten boxer who must now have to fight and prove himself beyond his fans. Good riddance, it will be a matter of time. Fraud fulfill your destiny. Fight the best and suffer the same fate as Roger. Fraud will have a poster moment at the receiving end of a devastating KO, like Roger suffered against Pendleton, Berbick against Tyson and Hatton against Pacquiao.
testing on strands of hair is more effective than blood testing. a strand of hair would retain traces of what was in the body for weeks…even months…unless you shaved it off. manny has a full head of hair…just taking a hair strand everyday would be more effective than blood testing. you can take masking agents to beat a blood test. you can’t do it with hair samples.
imo floyd should just shut up. it’s not about ducking…it’s about getting pac riled up. pac did the right thing walking away. floyd needs the fight…that’s why he’s talking about it the whole time. pac doesn’t need anything.
Floyd needs to chill and not think about Pacman any longer. The more he talks about him, the more he worships him. Get over it. Just start fighting and not talk about money. It’s getting ridciulous and old. We got two good fights in march and in may. I’ll watch both of them.
Manny is an minority investor of an Oil company here in the Philippines. He is already set for life here. So what’s $25M more?
Whereas, Floyd needs a big payday to pay off his taxes!
The athletic commisions even passed margarito’s hand wrapps b4 the mosley fight so they to me, are not credible at all.
Also its funny how pac asked Floyd for a 10 mil penalty for every pound over because he came in 2 pounds heavier for the marquez fight. Why hasnet he asked clottey for the same penalties seeing clottey has came in overweight 11 times in his career.
@ cal
Floyd’s demand of random testing WAS there from the start, he did not bring this up right at the end to scuttle the fight-where do you get that idea??
@ justhefacts
Random blood and urine testig is NOT unprecidented in boxing. Bowe asked Galotta, Judah asked Mosley Tyson asked Holyfield and there are others so your point is mute. Saying Manny never failed a urine test dont mean anything as Mosley never got caught by any state athletic commision(their testing is ajo)ke
hahaha. clean the sport of boxing. shoot. i’m laughing so hard now. floyd just took a hard stance on this one because if he does other than what he asks pacquiao, he would be crucified by not only the boxing fans but the whole boxing community as well. a question, if he’s trying to clean boxing, does this mean that all the boxers on this card,even the undercard fighters, was ordered to take the olympic style drug testing?
Quite frankly, the only asset left for Floyd is his fat big mouth, nothing else. That’s why he can’t stop talking trash. I’m also in a suspicion that he now uses Xylocaine as mouthwash which make him immune to the pain resulting from his false and baseless accusation.
You know how to make Pac take the blood test? Have it as directive from the boxing commission. But coming from Flo? forget it.
Graham, sure it can “go away”, if Mayweather drops his demand which is unprecedented in the history of boxing. This is all a ruse. Can’t you see that? Blood testing never caught anyone doping anyway so what does that tell you? Manny doesn’t want the random and unlmited because having his blood taken bothers him, weakens him, whatever. It does not have the same affect on Floyd so Floyd is exploiting that difference. But just because two people do the same thing, does not mean it is the same experience for them. Look, Manny agreed to the $10M per pound penalty too, didn’t he? But would you say it meant the same thing for him? No of course not. He would look pretty stupid if he said that he would have to pay the same $10M penalty in he came in overweight too. If you are clautrophobic (fear of being confined in a small place) and I am not claustrophobic and I ask you to spend 3 hours in a small windowless box and tell you that I am will to also spend 3 hours in that same box, to you it could be traumatic. You make have a nervous breakdown before the 3 hours were up. But for me it woudl be a walk in the park. Just becasue two people do the same thing, it does not mean they are doing the same thing. Get it? May only wants to disrupt Pac during his training so he will have an edge in teh fight and since blood testing really bothers Pac and means nothing to May, what kind of an effective training camp do you think Pac is goign to have with someone coming by and sticking another needle in his arm every other day.
Let me ask you this. If there were a urine test or a saliva test or a hair follicle test (all of which are NON INVASIVE) that woudl detect everything that a blood test would, do you honestly think that Pac would refuse to undergo as many of those urine, saliva or hair follicle tests that May wanted completely restricted random and unlimited with no cut off date? Of course he wouldn’t.
When did blood testing become a given that it is the holy grail of dope testing? I hear there is a new urine test that is supposed to detect everything that a blood test does and more. Will it go away? sure it will. Just have to find a NON INVASIVE test that will detect everything the blood test will and this entire issue “goes away”. Then Mayweather can concentrate on finding a new excuse not to fight Pac.
This is guy is hyprocrite I don’t understand why he has to suggest the testing on Pacquiao when in fact there is commission that handle this thing. There’s so many excuses why he doesn’t want to fight Pacquiao, one of them is Pacquiao is southg paw, and he can punch everywhere. I watch the fight against Zab Judah and he has a problem with him.
Therefore, he is bit hesitant fight south paw fighter! period
Look who’s talking… Floyd wanting to clean up boxing and yet he intentionally cheated his way coming above the weight limit against a ballooned Marquez? That’s a very noble example for a person who wants to clean up the sport.
We all know this issue will never go away, not until Pacquiao takes the Olympic style blood tests and fights Mayweather. You can spin it, sugar coat it, or do whatever you want but you can’t ignore it.
What bothers me even more is that people keep making excuses for Pacquiao. The fact is nobody knows why Pacquiao will not take an Olympic style blood test. He should come out and explain why he will not take the Olympic style blood test.
floyd has been in this forum under a chosen name,he was crying in a post as he away does.and he said my 0 loses and why should I fight.when I pointed that out,he went bye bye.I caught it ,same as I caught perez posting here after he got let go, I think floyd and his team have been creating a demand when he did return,
yah but if mayweather wanted this type of drug testing it should of came out way at the beggining instead of making people think their was a fight! he waited till the last minute to make many look real bad. fighter of the decade means many recieved this award when may fought your guyses so called best! manny must of done something more spectacular than floyd…… fight and bea his opponents maybe? had wars in the ring faced adversity and challenged himself. maybe! and in those 10 years floyd fought people with losses! and hes ragging on many having losses. hey the more i study and get facts, all the all time greats have losses except for marciano, and he fought the best. but still ali out does him and so does robinson. and now pac is being thrown in that catagory. he must be fighting the best out there. the only real person that i give mayweather credit for beating is “corrales” and he gave corrales his first loss at corrales’s best weight. but he has not fought anyone of that caliber in a while.thas y hes not fighter of the decade! not to mention pac avgs 2.6 fights a year and hes not fighting tune ups either. he has been the underdog in every fight except these last two fighting the best in weightclasses coming up. floyd been a welter for 5yrs and has not faced anyone at their right weight except for dlh. and he ducked the rematch
floyd ,manny has your welter weight belt that you gave up,instead of re fighting oscar ,he gave you a cut in line chance,he could have said get a few fight first then later. so why dont you want the ww belt back,if you want it they would not be a blood test needed,as you say you can beat him no problem, manny know he can knock you out.and I want to see that happen so lets get in on.
Money May sounds like a jilted lover. Can’t stop talking about the “one that got away”.
looks like after reading all of this that Floyd may be exposed Lmao I can’t beleive he is comparing the two demands against each other 10 million a lb vs Blood………I think even the newest fans knows that was just in place to keep him in the 147 limit lets face it the $ dollor amount he paid JJM for 2 lbs over was peanuts even if he paid that unit price and came in 5 lb over it would amount to only a million & a half big advantage for a small price against a 40 miliion purse and the blood test was BS yes just that BS he knows it and so does his fans… and lets not forget Mosley was not his choice it just happened do to the a earthequake SMh Floyds fans make it sound like manny wanted a lesser man to face and floyd wanted Mosley just MORE BS
@ mayfeather
1) Boxing is fought in weight classes, not height or reach classes
2) Weakened?? but floyd will be submitted to the exact same tests. Where is the advantage to floyd?? Also after the loss to Morales he blamed his not wearing his usual gloves
3) 10 ounce gloves are standard for ww fights and floyd STILL agreed to use 8 ounce
4) Fight was always gonna be at 147. Floyd started point was 154 knowing pac would start at a catchweight somewhere. Its called negotiating starting higher/lower knowing you will meet in the middle.
5) Pac also got the ring size he asked for.
its not about the money,its about the principles… pacquiao doesnt need anymore money at all, he has everything. he came from rags to riches.. he don’t ask too much,and all the blessings he has now,it is because of his hardwork and faith in god..he’s not greedy in money,he’s happy of what he has.. not like money mayweather and the goldenboy promotion they just look for the money. dela hoya will push all his fighter even though he knows its unfair just to make money. like what happen to marquez. they only want money,they praise and worship MONEY..
Who the hell is Mayweather? Is he the new boxing commissioner? Pacman will not give in to his rules. If the official boxing commission rules it then Pacman and the rest of the boxers will follow it. Pacman should not be singled out. Floyd wants to clean the sport when he is actually using Xylocaine. Insecure hypocrite.
i believe next time a negotiation with mayweather again come into play,pacquiao should ask for “random psychiatric test” for floyd!he’s insane!move on floydie!why you hate pacquiao so much we cannot comprehend!you’re the telling lies,accuse and yet you’re the one with the conviction on what your saying!stfu!!!!
Before coming to a fight, he wants to make sure he has edges. 1. With Pacquiao he has SIZE advantage ( height and arm reach ).
2. He knows that Pac’s loss with Morales was due to weaken Pac from blood test. (well documented). With diminished power punch, he can outbox Pac without fearing he will get caught with KO punch.
3. Demanded to use 10″ gloves instead of 8″. With bigger he can catch punches. With bigger glove, the punch pressure is less so he could not feel much from Pac’s punches.
3. Tried to fight the feather framed small welter Pac to 154lb. He knows that Pac can barely make the welter limit.
4. Chose the biggest ring size for him to run around more when toying with Pac. He knows Pac gets frustrated with mobile opponent.
It worth noting what will happen next.
You know what’s ironic is if this whole random testing bites floyd in the rear. There’s already an agreement between Arum and Moseley that shane will be pac’s next opponent provided both fighters win their respective fights. Golden boy might try to pull some strings in eliminating floyd in the picture by throwing him off his game via blood draw a day before or even at fight night….how many times have anyone gone through for a blood draw on a physical and the nurse seem to have a hard time drawing blood, getting pricked one too many times before it’s said and done??? watch out for them needles floyd!!
The thing people dont understand is that the random blood test stipulation was there from the get-go and Freddie Roach came out and said they would have no problem with any kind of testing. It was only AFTER Floyd agreed to all of Manny’s requests(date, ring size, glove size, purse and weight penalties) did they start making excuses. I really think Pacs side never dreamed of Floyd accepting all of Pacs requests. Floyd called pacs bluff on this one. While no-one can be sure if he is juicing, it was certainly NOT floyds fault for this fight breaking down. Arum continually called the fight dead even though they were still in talks. Arum also was lightning quick in signing Clottey up for pacs next fight, thinking Floyd had no-where to go. But with Berto pulling out it set up a huge fight for Floyd against Mosley. Pac together with Arum and Roach have come out looking stupid throughout this whole saga and more importantly Pac’s reputation(and the sport of boxing in general) has taken a huge battering.
why point finger on manny it is youre father who was caugth with drugs,it was on police records so stop accusing just figth if you have the balls.
Floyd and Mosley won’t happen…..I will bet you 10K it won’t.
Floyd will rent a car and hit a tree and fake an injury. He will try and get out of the fight and retire a bit until Mosley is way too old and Manny is retired.
As for Manny’s strength, it is not from PED, HGH, etc. It is from what we call ANTING ANTING in Bisaya.
BISAYAN PEOPLE in the Philippines are the toughest and yet humble people in the Philippines. Believe it or not there are Millions of Manny Pacquiao in the Philippines. He is not unique. A lot of them just hasn’t gotten the break. Give it a couple more years and you will see Filipinos dominate the lower weight class in Boxing. And it will be from the BISAYA speaking people.
Bisaya Boxers
some of you might know these names today.
Z Gorres – Cebu City
Boom Boom – Bautista – Tagbilaran Bohol
Gerry Penalosa – Cebu
and a lot more up and coming.
Watch fighters from Bohol there are a lot of strong and very talented boxers there.
Remember it is not PED but ANTING ANTING.
Folklore has always mentioned that once you have this ANTING ANTING bullets cannot penetrate your body. You can climb a tree and float like a butterfly and stay in thinnest branch.
Only selected people who are priviledge to get this.
GOOGLE ANTING ANTING to have a better understanding.
Just like saying, who the f**k are you trying to tell me what to do. It does hurt someone’s feeling, isn’t it. Now, my question; Did you put clause about “random blood testing” in your contract with Mosley.
i think floyd is talking too much . he better shut up and concentrate on Mosley
Why idiots still talking about Mayweather/Pacquiao fight. It won’t happen because Floyd got a truck load of excuses. And also he might loose to Mosley. It’s too obvious that Mayweather believes that Pacquiao has a bigger name than him. He uses Pacquiao name in promoting his fight with Mosley. What a poor boy Maywweather.
Floyd you gotta move on and stop sourgraping just concentrate on your upcoming fight with Mosely. This guy might beat your ass.
Manny denied lil floyd $25MM for stepping over in as the new boxing commissioner.
Floyd came in over the catchweight for marquez, not the welterweight limit.
People, quit asking why they keep talking about this fight. I mean, look at the number of comments compared to other articles. It doesn’t take rocket science to figure out why they don’t talk about anything else. Stop commenting if you want it to stop. DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KO, no one is going to get killed from fighting someone on steroids. It does not turn you into superman. DLH ko’d Vargas even though Vargas was on steroids when they fought. Now putting plaster in your hand wraps like Margarito? THAT can get you killed. Taking out the padding of your gloves? That can get u killed. Steroids, peds and hgh? I don’t think so.
There are new urine tests out now that are supposed to detect everything a blood test will so why are we all still debating this? Just take the random unlimited unrestricted new urine test and forget about the outdated obsolete invasive blood testing and make the friggin fight already.
Pacman would not of had to ask Mayweather to pay 10 million for every pound over if Mayweather had not Cheated the weight rule in the past. If he Mayweather wants to clean up the sport maybe adhering to the Sports most basic rule would be a good place to start. Its far to rich to come out with a Bold statement like “I want to clean the sport of Boxing up” then not appear somewhat hypercritical. If this Blood testing issue is the only way to fully test for PED then the Boxing boards of control should all embrace it and carpet test for every world championship fight. If they dont embrace it then we stick to the normal procedure. Its not up to Mayweather to attempt to change the rules in the manner that he did ie insinuate his opponent is on PED. If he was serious about cleaning the sport up he should of went to the Boards of control and aired his Blood testing ideas to them. Got to question a man on a moral crusade who signs to fight a man who he thinks is a Drugs cheat in the first place only to ask him late in negotiation to take a new form of drug test..!!. Come on Mayweather stop with all the claptrap and get on with Mosley.
Long Live KFC!!! 40-0
Why is he still talking about Manny and this drug test? Does he regret about a failed negotiation, a megabuck fallout and a choice that Manny did not give-in to his demands? Well, I guess Manny don’t give a sh**t about Floyd making all this demand. Why not put this all behind and concentrate on their respectible fight. And you can’t be a judge and executioner, just be a boxer and leave the testing to the expert. Do you think nobody’s working to make boxing sport a better sport, just like any other sports.
even floyd has got it completely wrong and he was in on the negotiation table. he manipulates the naive! (ie his fans) he says manny did nt want to take the blood test but infact manny did not want the test so far into fight night! thats what its about. floyd says hes trying to clea up boxing but he will continue using xlocaine. he says manny needs him” but manny alone just sold 30k in dallas cowboys new stadium he contradicts everything he says and manny proves him wrong! manny is the new boxking! and manny fights damn near 3 times a year avg about 2.6 times a year this is abig reason y he is the new p4p king may fights once a year hence his record
ATTENTION ALL MAYWEATHER FANS: LET ME SEE IF YOU WILL KEEP ON DEFENDING FLOYD AFTER THIS:
Here’s the the typically egocentric and humorless remarks of a guy who used to refer to himself as “Pretty Boy,” courtesy of his Super Bowl Radio Row appearance on ESPN Sports Radio 890, Washington, D.C
On the widspread opinion that Pacman is the pound for pound king of boxing:
FM: “Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. I live my life the way I live my life and I’m happy with what I do. I live for Floyd Maywetaher. I don’t live for the fans. I love the fans but I live for myself. Self preservation is first. I must be happy first before I can make anybody else happy.”
WOW, SO MUCH FOR THE PAYING FANS’ISNT IT. AND TO IMAGINE YOU GUYS KEEPS ON DEFENDING HIM NO MATTER WHAT. WHAT CAN YOU SAY NOW?
@ bodybanga
Uhh…. Duran also lost 16 fights, starting with Sugar Ray Leonard? He was knocked out like Hatton when he faced Hearns, and lost to several no names during his reign, including Kirkland Laing, Robbie Sims (who?), and then stayed around too long in his career and snuck in a few wins between frequent losses (do you really want to count his Middleweight title against Lawlor? 9 years after Lawlor knocked him out? Pulheeeaze).
LERN BABY…
…ryan
Honor and dignity is something the mayweathers don’t understand. Manny has nothing to hide and nothing to prove to him or anybody. If only he uses his brain a little bit, black people have been assumed guilty before proven innocent which is what Floyd is doing on Manny. He should just shutup and promote his fight with mosley…unless of course he finds a reason to fake some injury and cancel the fight…
lacem up :
Manny already was given tons of credits to his name like Fighter of the Year, Fighter of the Decade,KO of the year and many more to come.
Where does Floyd stands in voting ? Far away…..
Unlike your boy, who bestows greatness upon himself, Manny is given credit by the associations and governing bodies.
So one last piece of advise….. “Stop putting doing your ugly routine of sticking your finger in your own ass and then licking it dry… It’s giving you a hallucinating effect….. “
2 all pac fan.
Did you know why they always ask freddy roach if he thinks pacquiao could beat duran? Because duran became champion at pacquiao best weight and he moved up to light hevy weight.5 divisions,Pacquiao 7.Looks like pacquiao got him beat right?
Wrong when duran was fighting it was 9 divisions more in between the same weight classes.Duran today would have been 9 division world champion.LMAO.LERN BABY LERN
the reason manny is p4p is because floyd retired when he did !! hes a great fighter but he needs to fight floyd and others , NOT clottey ..if floyd didnt retire then manny would have to fight him.. its hard for yall to exeopt that i know , but until manny beats floyd he isnt the best , hes ONE of the best ..
floyd is going to clean up boxing ….. he should lead this by quitting boxing and put a ban on his drug dealing father and woman beating uncle……..
What do you think of this slogan for Floyd Mayweather ?
Afraid of getting hurt…… put your fingers in you ass and lick it from time to time … By then it’s time for you to shine !!!!!!
imo-case and point, hand wrapping. prevents hands from breaking, right? Granted, if he is on a banned substance, it’s wrong.
Nice article.
NOTE TO AUTHOR… not a big deal… but you said that Mayweather didn’t make the welterweight limit for his fight against Marquez… but actually he did weigh in below the welterweight limit of 147 by weighing 146. He did weigh in 2 pounds above the agreed upon catch weight of 144 pounds.
Same difference… just pointing that out.
Omg are they still talkin about this??
@KO
Boxing is not for you. Don’t even watch MMA nor kickboxing. It is not good for your heart. Even basketball may be to violent for you. Just watch chess if you have the brains or rather just try birdwatching.
It doesn’t matter how Flomos twist facts. Floyd is big time jealous of the Pacman. The Pacman getting all the accolades — P4P, Fighter of the Year, Fighter of the Decade!!! Floyd is a distant second!!! It does not matter how the Flomos twist facts, but those the facts!!!
Pac is fighting Clottey, Floyd is fighting Mosley, it fights we as boxing fans that has to get ready to watch, so let boxing be, just like any fight, one thing or something could change this. How do we know that this is not a build up to for the fight but they just getting us boxing fans pumped up too. We just got to wait and see.
@ bodybanga.. just like mayweather got 5 belts right? You do know there’s 4 belts in every division right? Cotto starving himself? He looked happy as hell eating his mother’s homestyle cooking and going to them bbq joints with his team. Get off of Floyd’s nuts dude..I’m sure you’re a grown man but that nut huggin don’t look too good. You didn’t son anybody. You talk about making matches and act as if Floyd didn’t do anything remotely close to what you accuse Pacquiao of doing.These fighters have both handled themselves like morons to not make this fight happen and that’s a given.
C’mon guys. It seemed a better 2010 for boxing. the Pac/Flo fight not pushing through made everything interesting, for other boxers, more good fights, all good for boxing in general. Sit back and enjoy the show, there are too much drama to watch already. Now for the ultimate fight Pac/Flo, it will happen when it happens. But let’s not kill it.
40 fights and Floyd never demanded Olympic Style drug testing!!!
Then came Pacquiao — yeah, Floyd is definitely scared of the Pacman!!! It doesn’t how the Flomos twist facts, but those are the facts. Floyd is a big time coward.
KO:
You sound like a twat and sounded like your boy Mayweather! If you and your boy are afraid to get hurt quit boxing ! Try picking on your nose and then put it on your mouth!
@ko
The drug that mayweather use has been banned in every state (he COULD fight in) except for NEVADA.
That’s why GBP cancelled a trip to tour the Dallas stadium for a potential fight there because Floy can ONLY fight in Vegas.
And what you talking about how its not like steroids?!
Suppose there’s a drug that can numb the boxer’s body.
He would’t feel pain at all when taking punches!
The “legal” drug that mayweather use clearly is am advantage. What’s more is that he relies on them.
So before Floyd says that he wants to clean up boxing, he needs to get off those drugs first.
banga is right.
Pac got exposure only after his past couple fights when he beat fighters pbf already beat with the exception of cotto.
Floyd was p4p before pac floyd retired pac become p4p after floyd retired had floyd not retired manny would be having to fight him for p4p status. Floyd didn’t lose p4p because he lost a fight he lost because he retired and pac beat fighters mayweather already had.
I am a fan of both but until pac fights mayweather he isn’t imo p4p pac is fighting clottey floyd is fighting mosley tell me whose fight is tougher? Whose fight is with a fan recognized top welter all the answers point to mayweathers.
For pac to give up a 25mill dollar fight over some blood bieng taken out just further brings into question his credibility.
Fact:mayweather had agreed to everyone of pacs request for the fight
Fact:the fight was set only if pac would agree to the blood testing
Fact:this is and will be the highest pac will ever be paid and he gave it up because of blood
This just brings into quesitiion what’s to hide
But I have to admit, Mayweather-Mosley fight is a better fight to watch than Pac-Clot, if it ever happens. Just because I want to see this guy get beatup. Underdog mentality, that is
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If Pac and his fans believe that he is the best, then if you don’t fight Floyd then you should fight the next person out there, go down the Pound for Pound list, I don’t recall Pac next fighter to be no where on that list, not to take nothing away from him. I am saying Pac and Floyd are getting this fighters rich off them by allow them to fight them. shane was HBO non PPV before he signed to fight Floyd and Clottey was more and likely the same. It shouldn’t have been nothing to take this fight away from no boxing fan.
Mayweather bs again, this chicken try to avoid the fight with anyone who could beat him. Just take a look at history.
He is not a regulator. He does not make the rule. Using his rationale, everyone who box before with just Neveda testing is guilty of using drug.
I will not submit to this arrogant, rule-as-you-deem-fit demand.
Hope Mosley will pulp his face, take out his teeth. But again, wait until then, because you never know whay Mayweather will do to avoid Mosley again to keep record
Keysla & Jinx – have you EVER stepped in the ring?? Do you have any clue what kind of brain damage can be caused by blows to the head. Try doing a few rounds at your local gym with a headgear and 16oz gloves. Then do the same with 8oz and no headgear. You will have a WHOLE NEW perspective on fighting and what a BIG difference being able to bunch even 5% harder does to a person. These are REAL dangers. Real enough for their to be weight divisions. Real enough to reduce fights from 15 to 12 rounds. Know you boxing history and something about sports science before you mouth off.
Floyd the sport would be cleaned up if your disgraced family and your self would leave the sport. Take the Xylocaine test!!!!
Pac ducking? Pac would love to fight Flo.
Flo ducked Pac, just one day wait during Pac/Hat fight, but he picked JMM as tuneup. So pac priveledged Cotto, he could’ve picked someone easier. Now Pac/Flo was inevitable, Flo has to make it difficult. Pac wasted no time for Clottey, and Flo is lucky to have Mosley. Mosley is too old but at least Flo will be exposed.
never ever said Pacman was great…even Pacman didnt think he was great, just a fighter giving fans an entertainment.
but a latest award was given by BWAA. i dont know…others are saying Pacman is great while Floyd keeps saying he is great or the greatest of them all, even greater than Ali.
dont know why i cant believe Floyd’s nonsensical utterances…maybe because im using PED & it makes me think like Floyd…
never ever said Pacman was great…even Pacman didnt think he was great, just a fighter giving fans an entertainment.
but a latest award was given by BWAA. i dont know…others are saying Pacman is great while Floyd keeps saying he is great or the greatest of them all, even greater than Ali.
dont know why i cant believe Floyd’s nonsensical utterances…maybe because im using PED & it makes me think like Floyd…
never ever said Pacman was great…even Pacman didnt think he was great, just a fighter giving fans an entertainment.
but a latest award was given by BWAA. i dont know…others are saying Pacman is great while Floyd keeps saying he is great or the greatest of them all, even greater than Ali.
dont know why i cant believe Floyd’s nonsensical utterances…maybe because im using PED & it makes me think like Floyd…
bodybanga…
the only thing that needs banging up is your head… for your IQ is far less than a retard. Try getting an education and by then you can post a more decent and thoughtful comment……
KO and lacem up :
Does each of licks Mayweather’s ball. I guess it’s other side as both of you talk sh*t that can be smelled millions of miles away…
Wake up ! Your boy will never be as great as PacMan neither will he surpass a 3rd tier boxer… For after their time ends .. the name PBF will only be associated with fraud and antics outside the ring……
You noticed how pac fan dont wanna say anything after i exposed pac.Comment 4:24 pm read and lern.
I don’t care how rich a person is, if you can’t take a 25 million dollar blood test then there is something going on. 10 million dollar per pound pentally is unheard of but yet Floyd agreed to it. floyd is a chicken is BS, Pac could have took those test and we would be seeing a Mega Fight. But he now is taking on a weaker fighter but yet he is the best, yeah right, Paul Williams needed a fight, Pac could have taken on him. Floyd beats Shane Mosley May 1, then he would be told, you fought a rusty older fighter. No matter what Floyd do, he is going to get hated on. He hasn’t done nothing to the sport of boxing but helped it out. The sport of boxing also has done Manny very well to, but if one of these fighters want to hold up a fight for the people then it is a unfair thing to us, we should have been able to see this fight and no pound or blood test should have taken it from us.
I call bs on lacemup and ko..you guys really don’t give 2 nuts.
Agree boxing needs extensive testing. So it is up to the commission to kickstart developing the science to improve urine and other kinds like hair testing. Fighters are there to fight. Scared of getting killed? Then maybe join synchronized swimming.
@ Mytur bin Esdurrty.. you’re right. Americans drink similac as newborns. Filipinos drink a-meth. I should know.
Mayweather sounds like a 45 year old nagging b*tch who just lost everything.
This is the only great thing about Mayweather…. Talking cap, destroying the reputation of guys far greater than him outside the ring and proclaiming himself as the best. So enjoy the BS Mayweather lover’s, as this is the best thrilling momment that he can do to entice you.
ko
you are so right …most people on these sites dont have a clue , or they are in denial…drug use will further diminish boxing if not kept in check..
i think floydie must go on with his life.. instead of talking why their fight with pacman has been cancelled, why should he not start promoting his fight with mosley?
btw, pacman is rigorous in his training now cos we all know that he has a fight with clottey this coming march 13..
The difference is, Pacquiao had good reason to demand payment if he went over weight.
The reason was Mayweather came in heavy in the Marquez fight and had no problem paying it. Of course this isn’t Mayweather’s fault, but he obviously took advantage of that.
What’s Mayweather’s reason to demand excessive blood testing? Because he suspects PED use. . . and evidence does he have for him to believe that.
Both have a right to insert clauses into the contract, but Pacquiao’s at least can point to the Marquez-Mayweather weight issue. Mayweather can only point to some vague suspicion.
Read the the 4:24 pm comment and lern you fake ass pac fans.He’s great but not like ya paint him to be by far.
And BTW “imo”, regarding hand numbing drugs…totally not the same as steroids. I have no knowledge of FMJ being on these drugs, but having no feeling in your hands does not mean that the muscles of your body will fire faster or more frequently. It does not make your reflexes sharper. The hand numbing drugs just allow your hands to perform like they were not broken. Sure, they may allow you to fight with an injury, BUT they will not enhance your ability beyond your natural potential.
Freddy Roach made a mistake in showing Manny training, he wanted to strike fear in opposing fighters and he succeeded. I watch Manny’s sparring sessions and they’re better than most fights that are aired. Check out his sessions with Shane & Amir, his pad work and general calastedics are amazing. If I were Mayweathers I’d be looking for a way out too. I don’t beleive it’s Junior that’s scared as much as he listened to his trainer & dad, thinking they could get an edge. None of the top 20 fight in any weight class is scare or chicken, it takes brass balls to get into the ring yet do it for a living.
I THINK IT’S ABOUT TIME FOR KFC TO MOVE ON…JUST CONCENTRATE WITH MOSLEY. STOP BEING A COWARD, BE A MAN DUDE.
Mayweather signed his end of the contract and was ready to go,so how is he the one scared to fight?.Personaly i feel anyone who thinks one fighter is afraid of another fighter is just ridiculous.IMO Floyd Jr is fighting the more difficult fight in Shane Mosley.
At some point the fight will happen with Floyd Jr and Manny,then and only then will we see who is the better fighter.I already know,do you??
Boxing needs EXTENSIVE testing – PERIOD. Notice how no big names from Pro boxing and MMA (except Floyd Jr. Floyd Dr. and Oscar aren’t coming out. The use of drugs is prevalent and they ALL know it. In combat sports, there are CRIMINAL implications. Someone CAN get killed.
Mayweather Jr. told that he want to clean up the sport, why he did not ask this kind of stupid test before fighting Marquez or anybody in the sports? WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TESTING BEFORE FIGHT AND AFTER FIGHT? If an athlete is taking steroid, they can still detect right after the fight. As I have mentioned before, Mayweather Sr. started it because his pupil Hatton was KO by Pacquiao in 2nd round, that is very embarrassing and he tried to find ways and excuses to protect his words.
@milosands…it’s called mind game idiota
Correction: Mayweather weighed in 2lbs over the agreed upon catchweight limit of 144lbs in his fight with Marquez.
Correction #2: Pacquioa and Freddie Roach claim that the blood testing would give Mayweather and edge. There is nothing that possibly substantiate this claim, as it is quite ethereal and absolutely not concrete.
@Mytur bin Esdurrty
Ok, I get it.
No wonder Flo and the Pac Haters pee in their pants and trembling with fear when they hear Pac. He has the best A meth in the world.
@Daniel. Exactly right
@ Anonymous..If you believe that then you’re either nuts or wrapped around floyd’s nads
this is 4 david stupid ass.
When you say that pacquiao is the best p4p by far you sound stupid.did you know that floyd was by far p4p better then pacquiao about 5 pacquiao fights ago?Pacquiao got 4 belts in 5 fight he did not fight the best.He got a belt of diaz and not even of the baby bull.he got one of hatton and he was also maybe 4 in my jr welter list.can hatton beat bradley, peterson,ortiz or miadana?hard to say right.The only one belt that pacquiao really deserve is the wbo that he got of cotto.If clottey would have never got up from that jab that cotto hit him with in the first round bob arum would have told pacquiao to go 4 the wbc that berto has not cotto’s. Its called carefull match making.dont 4get that mayweather is being called a ducker 4 not fighting 147 pounders.But atleast he dominated a few divitions.Pacquiao only did that at 126 pounds.Look at him then and see he was always the bigger guy.facts.Lern you pacquiao fan because most only saw pacquiao after delahoya.Was pacquiao better in the eric morales rematch no.he actaully made morales come down in weight on that rematch.LMAO.pacquiao lost his belt on the scale be4 now you could wonder what 2 pounds would do to someone who is having truble making weight.Cotto was starving even on 24/7 and no protein no muscle.Ariza pacquiao ph trainer said at the new york press conference that he saw cotto’s weight and that he looked 170.He smiled and said he is gonna starve him self.Manny pacquiao putting on weight and muscle wile cotto trains to make weight.Smart match making lern baby lern..LMAO
Mayweather is trying to manipulate the public once again. He says. Pac asked him to do one thing and he asked Pac to do one thing. He agreed to Pac’s demand but Pac did not agree to his. What a load of crap! Pac’s demand was justified. Mayweather was a PROVEN weight cheater. No he will NEVER pay that penalty because the penalty is so high that he will simply have no choice but to stay honest and NOT CHEAT like he did with Marquez. May’s request on the other hand, is completely unjustified and is designed simply to take adavnage of the fact that blood testing bothers Pac but means nothing to May. He is exploting that difference so he can screw with Pac’s training. Anything to get an edge. But Pac already agreed to random and unlmited urine testing so what is the problem? There are new urine tests that have just come out that detect everything that a blood test does and more and with more accuracy? So what’s the problem? The problem is May doesn’t want the blood testing because he wants to make sure Pac is clean. He wants the blood testing to disrupt Pac’s training so he will have an edge. Who says that blood testing is superior to urine testing anyway. Victor Conte from BALCO? Let’s straighten out this mess about what tests detect what and, if it turns out that the new urine test will detect everything a blood test will, then problem solved and then if Mayweather stil insists on blood testing we will all know the real reason why.
And, by the way, Pac NEVER agreed to RANDOM and UNLMITED blood testing, no matter what the cut off date.
Two possibilities only on this hullabaloo:
1. Flo is scared of Pac, with or without PED
or
2. Flo is cheating by bullying with random test.
I think no. 2.
So Pac says goodbye.
The truth is Manny Paquiao denied Floyd of ever taking $50 million share in purse. I will deny him too if he calls me a cheat without basis to his allegations.
a-meth helped the Philippine Military become the greatest in the world!
That is why they are the strongest FIRST WORLD country, look at all the developments that has come from their a-meth military! no one in the Philippines is starving because the military has pillaged other countries
They said the Spanish conquered the Philippines for over 400 years, that is not true, the a-meth military beat them
They even said the Japanese invaded during WWII, WRONG AGAIN, the a-meth military beat them
get it right all Filipinos are on a-meth
alot of people suspect manny of using , not just mayweathers…most people dont acuse manny of it BUT they will always wonder ..he moved up in weight like floyd and they both are great …but manny got stronger n stronger ..why is that ?? maybe they both are juicing !! the difference is floyd is willing to back it up !! that ought to tell you something fishy going on ..until manny takes FULLY random tests people will suspect [*]…too many elite athletes have gotten caught lately..to me floyd is the man to beat ..he talks the talk and walks the walk !!
please dont bring up hes afaid of needles or drawing a teaspoon of blood the day b4 thats bs ….everyone knows it…he bleeds in the ring more than that !! i hope manny wises up after he demolishes clottey if he dont then imo and alot of others he will always and forever have a [*] behind him!!
@Mytur bin Esdurrty
You stink!
Milosands,
I agree with you there but the fact of the matter is that if a fighter is beat by a cheater badly it could affect the rrest of his career for example with cotto margarito.n we have not seen the same cotto since..
Also the random blood tests were to ensure pac or any fighter doesn’t cheat up until there test. They will take them until they know they will get away with it
@bbwoof
why dont u write ur full legal name. submit an article to espn with ur contact details and address so they can sue u? u dont speak of truth. stop spreading lies demon!
I think Mayweather can beat Pacquiao regardless it would just be a tough fight. What I do not understand is that Pacquiao said he would take the tests straight after the fight so what’s the problem? If he fails then Floyd still keeps his 0 and Pacquiao is shamed.
Again, what is the problem with Pacquiao taking the tests straight after the fight? I don’t get it. Why does it have to be before?
pac is on A-meth, we all know that the Philippines has the best PEDS, just look at all the olympic gold medals they have won
All you Pac nut huggers forget that bullets bounce of Filipinos, that is why their military is the best in the world
People don’t get it that 10 Million dollars for every pound is nothing if you don’t have any intention of cheating. It is just a penalty. Whilst random blood testing? That is a blatant intervention of Pacs routine, anytime anywhere. So comparing random testing to 10 Million is nonsense.
Let’s face the facts. Manny Pacquio “IS” (by far) the best pound for pound boxer in the sport and it’s just a simple noteable understanding that Floyd doesn’t want to get his ass wooped in the ring by Manny. PERIOD!
If the truth be told here you will find that Pac’s fitness trainer has a special mix that he mixes himself and it contains a certain drug that’s found in the P. I. that he gives to Pacquiao. This drug cannot be detected through urine and it only stays in the system a short time. So in reality that’s what Pac was hiding from when he refuses rando blood testing. He knew that he and his fitness trainer would be caught with their pants down. And that’s the truth. So sue me.
@ You know I’m Right…That is a great idea. Floyd should be paid in American money and Pacquiao should be paid in equivalent Filipino dollars or pesos.
Its more expensive in the US obviously.
Anyone who thinks Mayweather isn’t afraid of Pacquiao needs to look back on Sr’s comments. He’s the reason the whole amateur testing thing started in the first place because he was petrified that he would get a repeat viewing of the Hatton fight, only this time with his pride and joy being tomahawked violently into an unplanned second retirement. Floyd draws his style, bravado, big talk, etc from his father… now when Papa says ‘If I was you, I wouldn’t fight that man’, what do you think that does to Jr’s psyche and confidence?
The fact that amateur testing came out of left field should let you know that he’s AT LEAST worried about Pacquiao’s speed, power, chin, etc. If he wasn’t scared and it was ‘easy work’, we’d be getting ready for the showdown in about a month.
i think mayweather can beat pacquiao..but i like watching pacquiao way more than mayweather..I get excited when i watch pacquiao fight..hes a crazy dude..
there’s nothing to hide its just how they ask for it,, pac got offended that’s it! you dont need 25million dlrs to leave in the philippines.. pacman got lot of it already!
Funny thing is Mayweather needs to mention “Pacquiao” in every interview he has to even get a headline..
mayweather weighed in at 145 pounds against marquez?
@Santiperez, who do you think is more dangerous Pacquiao or Mosely? Mosely is bigger, stronger, as fast and MORE dangerous.
Floyd isn’t afraid of Pacquiao. So get that thought out of your head. Hopefully, in the future the type of testing used will be more comprehensive and thus will be a mute point.
Now…Talk about Clottey/Pacquiao and Mayweather/Mosely.
ENOUGH of the other OK?
he’s got nothing to hide, and nothing to prove either..
Floyd wants to spearhead an anti-drug campaign?! You’re too late, Floydie Baby Boy – you should have started it at home…with your Pops. Got it?!
In the Philipines, one could live off of $250.00 for 2 years. All money/purses made in the United States and taken out of the Unites States, should be taxed at a 75% rate in order to keep all moneys in US banks.
Time to move on, we got Mayweather vs Mosley, If Mosley wins then Mayweather wont even be an issue. If Mosley wins it will be Pacquiao vs Mosley for sure. If Mayweather wins then most likely the fight will still happen.
I dont know why they just dont ask for a hair test instead of blood, a hair folical test is more accurate then any other test, anything you have taken within the lifetime of that hair will show up in the hair.
Im getting sick of reading the same thing over and over, everyone knows where everyone else stand, some people think Pacquaio is hiding somthing and others think Mayweather is avoiding Pacquiao. Which ever it is, or neither nobody here knows, none of you people know anything and to argue about somthing you do not know is a waste of time.
Mayweather trying to clean up boxing? HAH! Tell him to get of the drug the numbs his hands and maybe we can call it even when pacquiao takes the blood test.
Think about it.
Mayweather without his hand numbing peds =weaker floyd
Pacquiao taking blood tests =weaker manny
Fair right?!
True boxing fans knew Floyd Jr. was not gonna fight Pacquiao. He used the random blood testing as his way out of the fight. Even Floyd Sr. said that he will not let his son fight Pacquiao like a good father should to protect his son because as a trainer he knows his son has no chance of beating Pacquiao roids or no roids.I think this fight is not gonna happen because if Floyd wins against Mosley hes going to price himself out saying he is the draw and of course Pacquiao will not agree to it.
A-Side Meth. If anyone is stupid enough to believe anything the Mayweathers say after that little gem, seriously do the next generation a favor and burn your genitals.
Pacquiao can live off his earnings for generations in the Philippines.Mayweather knows Manny is clean.Everyone knows it and if you think otherwise,YOU.ARE.GULLIBLE.
What he got to hide