Is Cotto using Foreman to get another shot against Pacquiao?
February 17th, 2010
By Dave Lahr: World Boxing Organization welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao (50-3-2, 38 KO’s) would like to win an 8th world title in as many divisions before he gets out of boxing in the not too distant future. Fellow Top Rank fighter Miguel Cotto (34-2, 27 KO’s), who Pacquiao defeated in November by a 12th round TKO, is moving up in weight to go after WBA junior middleweight champion Yuri Foreman (28-0, 8 KO’s) on June 12th of this year. Foreman, incidentally, is also a Top Rank fighter like Cotto and Pacquiao.
As such, Pacquiao would have a good opponent to fight, one that he already beat, and would be in a great position to win his 8th world title. Pacquiao is much better off if Cotto beats Foreman than if Pacquiao goes directly after Foreman himself and tries to take his title. The reason is simple. Foreman is a lot bigger than Pacquiao at 5’11” compared to the 5’6” Pacquiao, and with his constantly movement, hit and run style of fighting and his frequent clinching, Foreman is by no means a guaranteed win for Pacquiao.
Granted, it’s not easy for a little known fighter to beat one that is as famous as Pacquiao when it comes to winning a fight by a 12 round decision. Just as Juan Manuel Marquez, who lost a questionable 12 round split decision himself against Pacquiao in March 2008.
Foreman would be a very tough fighter for Pacquiao because he doesn’t come straight forward like many of the opponents that have been put in with Pacquiao, and he’s not a stationary fighter either. As we saw in Pacquiao’s recent fight against Cotto, he had problems against Cotto when he used a little bit of movement in the fight.
Keep in mind, Cotto moves like he has lead boots on and isn’t nearly as light on his feet as a fighter like Foreman is. So if Cotto is able to take out Foreman and capture his WBA junior middleweight title, it puts Pacquiao in the perfect position to try and win his 8th world title the easy way without the risk involved with fighting Foreman.
Ideally, it would be nice if Pacquiao took on Foreman himself and proved that he could beat the kind of style that Foreman presents, but that’s unlikely to happen at this point unless Foreman somehow beats Cotto. At that point, Pacquiao will likely have to face Foreman if he’s still fixated on winning an 8th world title.
Frankly, I think it’s a waste of time to go after Foreman, who is not considered to be the best fighter of the junior middleweight champions. If Pacquiao wants to go after his 8th world title, he should fight WBC light middleweight title holder Sergio Martinez, who is considered to be the best of the bunch. But, of course, I don’t see Pacquiao tangling with a fighter like Martinez in this lifetime.
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Manny and Miguel won’t fight. Its over. Manny has no intentions right now to go light middleweight. His interest is only at welterweight were that is where the money is at the moment. Manny still has Shane, Berto, and chicken Floyd.
I agree with most comments in here, Cotto would most definetaly beat Pac-man on a rematch especially if he had a better corner. Roach needs to stop picking on fighters that are slowing down, it’s not just about the money, he should foccuss on putting a stop to real boxing fans talking about the “Pac-man,” being on steroids and all and put his boy to fight a real fight. Super clean, like Mayweather.
Jason;
ODLH’s trainer said having to make 150 left him weak. In his fight before Manny. In which he couldn’t get a second-tier lightweight fighting at 150 out of the ring. And I do doubt Mosley would be at a 100% at 140, but apparently a Mosley not at 100% is still “too good” for Manny.
One word for you davey boy. IDI*T
you must really love the pacman.. you started out by saying cotto is using foreman to get another shot at the pacman then all you talk about is the pacman wanting to get his 8th world title … LET’S GO PACMAN !!!
Cotto doesn’t want it with Pacquiao–simple as that
So if ODLH was drained,and Manny fought him because of that,then why is it that Mosley wouldn’t have been considered drained for dropping all the way down to JWW? He would have been.And Manny supposedly avoided him?so much for your theory on him fighting shot or drained fighters.Mosley would have dropped to Junior Welter at the age of 38.
suntellmoe;
I don’t think any of Manny’s or any other top boxers fights have necessarily been totally safe. Still, Manny has waited until his opponents have looked less than stellar in their previous fights and looked quite beatable. He has refused to fight anyone that is performing on an elite level. A lot of his opponents used to be elite, but had clearly lost a step prior to fighting Manny. Rahim had already dismantled Morales before Manny. ODLH had to go all 12 rounds against a lightweight and got his face busted up. Pre-plaster of paris Cotto would have easily beat Clottey. After seeing Hatton-Lazcano, its hard to imagine Manny wanting to fight anyone else. When Mosley offered to go down to 140 in his next fight, that would have obviously been dangerous. So, he went after a shot Cotto. And I don’t mean any disrespect to Cotto by that, but after Margarito no one would be the same. Vargas was my favorite fighter back in the day, but after Trinidad he was never the same. Every fight as some amount of danger, but Manny (or Arum and Roach) has carefully chosen opponents that pose the least amount of risk and danger.
This writer wannabe is inlove with the Pacman…LOL!
Yuri Foreman need to fight WinkyWright and Cotto need to look at Berto for a shot at that title. That make cents to me and every one is in there weight class. Cotto is a Welterweight fighter and Foreman is a Lt.Middle weight fighter so thats dum to see Yuri wins a 12 decesion over Cotto. We boxing Fans wanting to see good fair fights. Cotto vs. Berto would be a great title fight and Yuri Foreman vs.Winky Wright would be something to see on the same card. Not know MISMATCH fight PLEASE. The Professor again with the real scoop.
Cotto can fight Berto right now for the title so whats up with that fight happen. Cotto vs. Berto for the Belt what up. Cotto don’t fight Yuri because he’s a big guy and if u loss a shot at Berto is out the window. Cotto do the right thing and don’t fight Foreman and fight Berto now it would be a great fight to see. Yuri need to fight Winky Wright so put that fight to togather on the same card. COTTO VS. BERTO AND YURI VS. WINKY IT’S ONLY FAIR TO THE PUBLIC TO SEE GOOD FIGHTS NOT NO MISMATCH FIGHT PUT TOGATHER AND THIS IS THE BOXING PROFESSOR AGAIN WITH GOOD BOXING NEWS.
Jon, Why is it disgusting this is boxing a rematch between cotto and pacaquio might be more competetive at a higher weight reason being cotto would have more strength and energy but I still only see one winner thats pacman, and far as him taking on margarito its excellent the competition hes continously fighting, all respect to pacaquio maybe FLOYD MAYWEATHER should try doing the samething instead of avoiding people.
I think if cotto gets another shot at PAC he will actually win at 154 that’s a lil more in cotto favor and well i think cotto will come more hungry than before and actually beat PAC and well idk why mayweather vs cotto would be made if he wins I haven’t heard any talk in that
who wants to see a rematch? pacquiao tortured cotto most of that last fight
If COTTO could get PACQUIAO at 154 he has a good chance of winning he wont be weight drain.Now I know that cotto is not the same after the margarito fight but the truth is that MANNY is now a fighter who is coming off a fight with COTTO that he won but got hit his fair amount of times so he’s not as fresh as he was before he fought,and by the time he meets COTTO again he will be coming out of the CLOTTEY fight and say what you want CLOTTEY will put his hands on him just like he did to COTTO.He wont win the fight but he will slow MANNY down just enough to give COTTO a chance the same thing he did for MANNY when he fought COTTO didn’t win but sluw him down just enough and then you dry him up is a sure win.But this time it will be the other way around.
I saw this coming right after the idea of Cotto fighting Foreman was first announced. Bob Arum is going to use Cotto to see if he can get the title from Foreman inorder to protect Pacquiao then if Cotto wins Arum will convince Cotto to rematch Pacquiao at 154 to win his 8th title. After he wins expect him to fight Margarito after they get his license back. Discusting.
In a word, yes.
Burt Sugar, among others, called the first three to four rounds of the pac/cotto fight as reminiscent of hagler/hearn. The fight was intense and competitive up until the end of the fourth round, the rest was just icing on the cake of a beatdown.
The fight made a lot of money, sealed manny as an atg and brought cotto a lot of newfound fans, notoriety, money.
Remember what Clottey says, his knock out power was greatly diminished because he has to force himself unnaturally to come down to the welterweight limit, his choice. Cotto too will probably be more natural at light middleweight and may find renewed strenght and fortitude in no longer having to drain down to welter.
If cotto does well against yuri, there has to be a pac/cotto II at 154 , at a weight more natural for cotto’s frame, where he could be more formidable. With the success of the first fight, the second fight would be even more compelling with cotto stronger at a higher weight and manny possibly going for his eighth weight div title in dallas or yankee stadium…it makes business sense, it makes boxing sense, it can make history…no need for any foolishness from the envious crowd.
Loomis, the rematch clause only applies if PBF loses. That’s PBF’s way of conducting business. My way or the highway.
Loomis, are you sure of this that Mosley suggested this rematch clause. Get real. IF PBF loses, his PPV value would surely go down the drain. Mosley will have a bigger payday with PACMAN.
Yes, and you are going to tell me that Mosley also insisted on the blood testing as well.
I don’t think Cotto needs/wants anymore of what he got against Pacquiao. But good luck fighting Foreman, this should get his career back on track !
to answer the question i wouldnt think so,i reckon cotto got enough of pacquiao last time.
@frankly floyd didnt force mosley to sign rematch clause,it was mosley. remember mosley done same thing with winky and vernon. floyd says he dont need reclauses because he whoops thier ass first time round. mosley wants 2 big paydays fighting floyd.
Seriously, I have a feeling PACMAN’s last two fights will be against the winner of PBF/Mosley and the second fight will be a shot at the superwelterweight title.
The complication is if Mosley wins over PBF, there is this rematch clause stuck in the contract that PBF forced Mosley to agree, so a PACMAN/PBF or PACMAN/Mosley might be PACMAN’s last fight and it will have to wait early 2011. Before that happens, PACMAN might still have a go for his eight title belt in the superwelterweight division.
All of these assumptions would happen if PACMAN wins over Clottey. I think one of the writers of the forum will be betting everything he has on PACMAN since he thinks this fight is a mismatch in favor of PACMAN.
IN SOME COMMENTARIES, I READ THAT PACQUIAO DUCKED FLOYD MAYWEATHER BECAUSE OF SHALLOW JUSTIFIABLE REASON. HE WAS SCARED TO FACE HIM ON THE RING FOR FEAR OF NEEDLE. THE MOST COMPLETE TRUTH IS, HE IS AFRAID TO DIE IN THE RING IF BLOOD IS EXTRACTED FROM HIS BODY. HE FEELS THAT BLOOD EXTRACTION, WOULD DIMINISH HIS STAMINA AND EVENTUALLY WEAKEN HIM. THE ULTIMATE ANALYSIS IN HIS OWN PERSONAL DISADVANTAGE WHILE BOXING IS IN PROCESS, HE WILL GET KNOCKOUT AND LOSS HIS CROWN. THAT IS THE MOST TRUTHFUL CONCEIVABLE IDEA.
JACK FLORES
BOXING ANALYST
The list is getting longer to find a deserving opponent for PACMAN in his last two fights. After Clottey, the following actually want to be on the queue without the ridiculous demand for blood testing: Valero, Mosley (if he gets past PBF), Margarito and now Cotto.
PBF still don’t get it…….ALL ROADS LEAD TO THE FIGHTER OF THE DECADE. GO PACMAN.
This is what I’ve been saying for weeks! How is it not obvious?? Yuri was mentioned as a possible opponent for Manny. Than Roach decided Foreman was too dangerous a fight for Pacquiao. Almost immediately afterwards Top Rank starts working on Foreman-Cotto. Manny never had to fight at welterweight to win a welterweight title and it’s unlikely he would have to fight at 154 to win a junior middleweight title. Cotto would obviously take a rematch with Manny, otherwise he would have to really work, taking on and beating top contenders, to become involved in another mega-fight and the mega-paycheck that comes with such a fight. Cotto probably believes he can beat Manny if he focuses on outboxing Manny instead of trying to slug it out. Cotto got dropped and seriously hurt twice in the early rounds when slugging it out, but looked good when he focused on boxing Pacquiao. However, he suffered too much damage already and couldn’t keep Manny off him. This is a much safer fight for Manny, than Mayweather, Mosley, or Williams.I can’t believe this is the first article to raise this question.