In defence of Floyd Mayweather
February 8th, 2010
By Kwame Cinquez: Manny Pacquiao is a great fighter, of that there is simply no disputing. His exciting style, willingness to to take a shot, speed, alongside his accuracy and brutal power have set him aside as one of the marquee names in our beautiful sport. However, i fail to accept i can be the only person on the planet (bar team Mayweather) who have not failed to acknowledge more than a few discrepancies in his rise to power. Pacquiao, whose brutal defeat of Marco Antonio Barrera on November 16th 2003 set him on his path to global stardom. This victory however, was at 126 pounds and also considered by many pre-fight to be a significant jump for a fighter who had started at 106 pounds (Light flyweight). Nonetheless, the victory was a significant one, and his meteoric rise can undoubtedly be linked to that emphatic destruction of the baby faced assassin.
It is from this point however, that we must truly dissect Pacquiao’s career in the light of his recent spat with Floyd Mayweather Jr and the allegations of performance enhancing supplements. His victory against Oscar de la Hoya came against a fighter way past his prime, but still no disgrace as a fighter. He was quite simply obliterated by the perfect correlation of speed and power. The same De la hoya who has shared a ring with Shane Mosley, Ike Quartey, Floyd Mayweather, Julio Cesar Chavez and Bernard Hopkins was simply torn apart by a smaller man, who had risen from light flyweight.
His victory over Ricky Hatton was perhaps more straightforward, but nontheless still emphatic and noticeable for the disparity in power between the fighters. For me however, i became truly concerned about the manner of Pacquiao’s victories in the aftermath of the Cotto fight. The defeat of Cotto was perhaps the most comprehensive of all the fights i have ever witnessed that Manny participate in. Cotto who TKO’d by Antonio Margarito (who was later disgraced over the Mosley-hand wrapping scandal) in July 2008 was savagely beaten by Pacquiao, despite sharing the ring with hard hitters who are natural welterweights such as Joshua Clottey and Shane Mosley. To me, it appeared incredulous that a man who started boxing at 106 could be not only destroying fighters at welterweight, but also gaining in speed during his ascension through the weight classes. It simply defies logic.
I may well be overly cynical in my analysis of the data available to me, but it appears quite clear that in any sporting discipline, rigorous drug testing is applied to prevent any abuses of steroid or performance enhancing supplements. In athletics, stringent Olympic testing has put paid to many of its most famous stars, from Marion Jones to Ben Johnson. Others such as Usain Bolt have been stringently tested due to their extraordinary performances in their discipline. For him to simply refuse such testing on the grounds that it strains him mentally and finds it difficult to draw blood is simply ridiculous as an excuse, and would not be acceptable in any other sport. If Roger Federer or Serena Williams in tennis attempted such nonsense they would instantly be banned from the sport. Others, such as Rio Ferdinand in football and Christine Ohuruogu in track, have had significant bans for simply missing tests, let alone failing them.
Many will point to the issue of Olympic style drug testing not being compulsory in boxing, however this is missing the point. If there is an opportunity to ensure we have a dope-free fight, with testing procedures widely accepted in the majority of popular sports, there seems no credible reason for that to be denied in what will surely be one of the highest grossing fights in history. Mayweather’s decision to fight Shane Mosley also discredits the popular notion that he only fights smaller men, with arguably the hardest fight in his career to date.
Famous cases of fighters who have gone though the ranks without losing power include James Toney and Evander Holyfield, the former failing drugs tests at heavyweight and the latter having been linked with pharmaceutical companies long known to provide athletes with steroids. It is with this history in mind that i cannot blame Mayweather for a) being slightly sceptical and b) demanding tests that are pretty much standard fare in any other sport. I simply fail to understand the criticism levelled at Mayweather for what appears a legitimate request in competitive bout.
I for one am a huge fan of Manny Pacquiao for all that he brings to our sport, but i cannot and will not allow this to cloud my judgement. For any of his future fights to have any credibility, he must now agree to submit to the doping regulations that PBF proposed. Anything less, and not unlike Barry Bonds, he will forever be tainted with the allegations of steroid use. Boxing, with its myriad of competing bodies, questionable scorecards and constant mismatch of fighters, has long been losing its lustre in the eyes of many boxing fans. We must attempt to rid all levels of the discipline of any apparent flaws, including the obvious lack of testing for boxing to be re-established as the marquee sport.
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Where do you people get off my not making up your own stories? For the record Manny refused Floyd’s request. He did not refuse any demands from an organization or body.
The example people use about why would he not do it because so much $ is involved is not fair. My analogy is this: try to imagine if one of your coworkers made a demand for you to take a drug test because he felt you were on drugs. He has no right to make that demand and you do not have to oblige.
The issue about the $? Manny is a very rich man and does not desperately need that payday. Compare that to a coworker making a similar demand for your annual salary after he has made inflammatory and derogatory remarks about you. Would you kowtow to him or would you demand an apology? Or worse, would you allow him to make a huge paycheck off you, knowing he needs it much more than you?
Before you start throwing stones, try to think of yourself as being in a similar glass house at which you are throwing! I am sure you would not be as quick to throw a single rock!
It is not about the weight gain that makes people skeptical about Pacquiao. It is the fact that Manny’s relative power is increasing as he moves up, and that he can walk through punches of bigger men. He punches harder among welterweights than he did among junior lightweights, and he can take punches better as well. And there is NOTHING WRONG with being skeptical in a sport in which there is a major steroid/PED problem. Manny is not being banned, fined, or jailed without proof – he is simply being asked by his opponent to take a test that is standard in every other major sport to ensure fairness. And his opponent will take the same test.
Boxing is so far behind other sports with respect to PED testing it is pathetic. This is one of the many ways in which the sport is stuck in the past. Most casual boxing fans viewed Manny’s refusal to do WADA style testing as proof of guilt. In no other major sport could an athlete refuse this without serious repercussions, both from the commissions as well as the sport’s media. Most of the boxing media is so obsessed with Manny that they will go to any length to defend him in this situation. However, they are out of touch with the mainstream fans. Mainstream media has done a better job with the coverage of this debate.
Is Floyd going to demand that Valero take tests for steroids? His name sounds a lot like Valeroids. I think Floydf Junior should ask his dad Floyd Sniffer to go check this guy out at the street (punk) level.
Let me start by saying I prefer a sweet scientist, an artist of boxing as opposed to the raw animalistic and devastating power of a powerful puncher. I however appreciate both. I will fawn all over the scientific boxer who makes his foe look so bad and finally ko’s him. I will deify him if he takes on an equally talented foe, just as fast and skilled or better still, the powerful punching guy and has to dig deep, through sheer will and determination to win.
Floyd falls into the scientific, skill set. So have we seen him demonstrate this often? Once? Twice? Still no eh? How about Manny? He falls into the other categeory. I would say he keeps challenging himself by fighting bigger guys. Sure he started very, very thin so he had no way to go but up. It has been said he starved himself. To that I say that is a byproduct of boxing today because of the stupid overabundance of classes and titles.
Yes, Manny has thrilled us with fights where he was underdog or where it was a pic-em fight and in the actual fighte he had to dig really deep to win. Although I prefer the skill type, unless he is charismatic and also finishes off his foes the skill guy does not normally transcend to the general masses, unless he is Ali, Sugar or Oscar.
Compare a guy like Tyson. he was knocking heads and brusing bodies. Suddenly with no Olympic past and no fancy marketing, his name became legend. People wanted to see his brutal ko’s even though they ended quickly. He was not exactly eloquent but his street talk made him popular and he crossed over.
I prefrred Holyfiled and was never a huge Tyson fan but gosh, I was glued to his fights. Initially I was glued to Floyd’s fights too for his skills and ability to finish off guys. But since he left 135 he has become Money, Fruad, Chicken Boy, Poutry Boy Fraud, Kentucky Fraud etc. because he has failed to let his fists match his mouth.
Why did he insist on a blood test when all along he and his primitive tribe said Manny had no skills? Manny is a small guy but he punches with speed and power. When he is doen with you, you carry the physical scars. When Floyd beats you, you car the pschyological scars of a defeat. You ache too but not that petrified fear. Because of their allegations we have people saying how can Manny be scared of testing when he can lose blood in an actual fight.
How can an adult compare blood testing to losing blood in a fight from a punch or a headbutt? That is like a guy who is afraid of flying but uses elevators. What does one have to do with the other? And speaking about blood during a fight, I have never seen a boxer not get flustered to some extent if he starts to bleed. Some get more excited than others and some use it as motivation to fight harder. No matter what it can change the outcome of a fight because the boxer may have to change his original plan.
I will say it again. Floyd is a great defensive boxer with great other skills BUT I want to see it against the very best and I want to see it consistently. Not vs Mosley and then vs smaller older guys again. It is not just him I want to see face the best. I want to see the best face the best. Please tell me he would not have been made fighter of the decade if he had the scalps of the big name welters in the 00′s?
I am a fan of boxing and want to be able to say I saw not one great fighter beat a bum but that I saw two great fighters put on a heck of a battle and fighter A won. If that is Cotto or Mosley, Williams, Floyd or Manny, I am happy and pleased.
Conversely, I get sick of hearing fans of the Poultry Boy call people haters because this is what they want. Can’t you guys just grow up and realize that boxing is not about one or two guys but rather about the high level and intensity of the top guys facing off in all divisions to thrill us?
Whoever wants to be rated No 1 does not have to jump from division to division. All he has to do is clean out his diviision and do it so well that we have no choice but to anoint him P4P king.
@ flipitgood I totally agree. Added also paquaio negotiate for 3 blood test one at the conference 24days before the and after the fight. but mayweather and his camp rejected this.after the failed mediation pacquiao and arum move on.
finally an article that makes sense. i like pacman, i think mayweather sucks but i have to admit i thing pacman is making excuses and is using performance enhancing drugs period. great detailed article and very acurate
This article, at first glance, appears reasonable and logical.
But the author’s analysis is flawed and disregarded one important point: Manny Pacquiao had a terrible experience with blood being drawn from him very close to a fight.
After winning his first fight with Pacquiao, Morales commented that he didn’t feel any of Pacquiao’s punches. Pacquiao, in an interview in the Philippines after the fight, said he felt dizzy and weak and suffered from headaches after being drawn blood from a day or two before the fight. He had to get a masseur to massage the back of his neck to relieve the discomfort.
Now, Pacquiao will be truly stupid if he will let such a bad experience happen to him agaio with his consent!!! But Pacquiao is NOT stupid, and will not allow himself to be tricked by the cunning and tricky Mayweather Jr.
This “article” is hilarious! Its full of contradiction’s, some are on purpose [otherwise known as lies] and some are through the authors stupidity. …….Contradiction 1: The title…. In defense of Mayweather….. This article was nothing but a slander session on pacquiao! This does nothing to “defend” Mayweather against what the boxing fans criticize him for, i.e, excuses, safety first, money first approach, cherry picking, boring fights and lack of humility e.t.c. This article only attempts to defend Mayweather’s proofless accusation by offering more proofless assumptions [accusations], and by using Manny’s wonderfull career against him. [Like he is too good to be true]. There are plenty of incorrect “facts” or typo’s or lies [take your pick], all conveniently popping up when it suits the author’s case, which is to SLANDER Pacman. Some “fan” you are author. Your attempts to prove Manny guilty of taking PEDS are pathetic! If you were more honest with yourself you would have titled the article, “Pac is on PEDS”……….. Contradiction 2: To quote the author, “I am a huge fan of Pac.” Are you? Your incredible bias against Pac is obvious, and ironically denied by saying:” I am a huge fan of Manny Pacquiao, but I can not and will not let this cloud my judgement” lol…….Pity you don’t show the same emotionless view when it comes to Mayweather…….. Contradiction3: To quote the author a final time, “Morales is a man who has never boxed above junior lightweight”.. was.. “Badly beaten in a lightweight bout” WHAT??…. then “faded”. Morales was ruined in just one fight?? Losing only 115- 113 to Zahir Raheem I dont think Morales suffered quiet the career ending beating this author is suggesting…..
@frank-mayweather is taller and has a natural bigger frame than pacman so he should be able to move up to these weights easier than pac, not to mention the fact that he isnt blowing out bigger guys with increase strength and power,instead he has started fighting defensive(unlike pac)..so it completely different.
anyway good article
I was thinking that. Thanks
I posted this before but I’ll post it again. This is an interview of Manny Pacquiao on a local Philippine TV show taken on March 2005 after the first Pacquiao-Morales fight. This is the reason why Manny is not amenable for blood testing done very near before the fight… And the real reason why the Mayweather camp insist on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdY1xZ3fh20&feature=player_embedded
Also, blood volume or plasma is replaced within 24 hours. While Red cells need about 4 to 8 weeks for complete replacement. That’s the crux isn’t it. If you have less red cells in your blood it means you have less stamina (less oxygen).
Mayweather said he is amenable for a cut off period of 14 days for the blood test. But if he insists on USADA to do the test they do not allow any cutoff period. For them its fully random blood tests up to a day before the fight. If Manny already had a bad experience regarding blood taken from him a few days before the fight, he will not want to happen it again.
I simply believe it is not an issue of whether one is a Pac fan, lover, or hater, and equally that of Mayweather. It is a matter of safety and progression of a sport that involves physical combat. If one aims to refute the fact that Mayweather should not be the one to change the rules of boxing, I aggree, but the seed has been planted, who else but the “humble, god fearing, and adored” Pacman to take that seed and nurture it?? I was shocked when Pac’s team refused to take the test, and was progressively shocked each time their excuse changed. I hope for the sake of the sport something will happen.
@ PIC
The only reason Pac has said he ‘would’ take the tests required by the commision because he knows they will not implement the olompic style tests. This was also his 3rd excuse after saying he was afraid of needles then he says having blood drawn ”weakens” him, its all complete nonsense that the gullable flippas seem to be beleving. face FACTS he cheats on his wife and he cheats in the ring, the man is a CHEAT
Pacquiao has stated that if the random blood tests will be required by the proper authority, he will comply. The reason he doesn’t want to comply is it is Mayweather who is requiring it. We all mknow that earlier,Mayweather Sr. has accused Pacquiao of taking PEDs and later on Jr. followed suit by saying that the Philippines is the top producer of PEDs. This has infuriated every Filipino and even neutral fans like me. The words that came from the Mayweathers’ big mouths should not and cannot be justified. Up to now no one among the Mayweathersw is showing any remorse or regrets at what they have prviously said about Pacquiao and the Philippines. Pity that this writer has the gall to defend Mayweather who I think comes from the most ill-mannered family in the history of boxing.
willingness to to take a shot, and brutal power
huh????? were taking about floyd here.he hit ricky many times full on right hand punch to the face.ricky just wrinkle his itchy nose.and continue to circle around,no power…..
Pac didn’t refuse blood testing. In fact, he agreed to get blood drawn from him right after the fight! And if he’s under any PEDs, we should be seeing a lot of boxers with multiple titles cleaning up each weight division. And Pac’s brother should be a world champion too (Pac should be sharing these to him, right?).
(not)=now*
If Neveda Drug Test is NOT CREDIBLE, then they should replace it not.
What commision is credible?
Oh well even Jesus Christ has some critics…..
the idea that Pacquiao is using PEDs are slanders. as long as there is no proof, all Pac-haters can do is doubt him. the sad part here is that Pacquiao’s hard work was brought to shame by some bitter Mayweathers.
Okey, Mr Floyd you are intrugue and amazed that Manny can do an amazing feat. All speculation about his rising to the top makes you boilover. Trying to trap Manny about blood test and ignore you makes you even more upset. Now, you start making trash talk and try to clean up boxing image. You must be one crazy hombre.
Good article. Fairly written. He gave credit where credit is due to the Pacman, while justly raising the questions that bring skeptisism to Manny’s refusal to take the blood tests. About time.
This is a biased article, just by saying that Pacquiao started
at 106 lbs. and hiding the fact that Floyd too started at 106 lbs.Pacquiao’s name is not even on the title of this article.
But, Floyd’s intention of cleaning up the sport is very commendable it just have to include all forms of drugs that enhances an athletes performance.Whether it will increase his/
her stamina or mask the pain/increase the pain threshold,any of those drugs should be prohibited.Again Floyd should lead the way.
Agree with most of the article…. But who really thinks Money has an exciting style lol…
Who can forget such classics as:
- Money vs Baldomir (what a war)
- Money vs Oscar (no doubt the best fight ever…. does anyone remembers anything of it?
- Money vs Marquez (Wow… that one will surely make it on future reels, the action was non stop lol)
The fact is that Money is a safety first fighters that will put anyone to sleep unless his oponenst decides to throw a punch.
His demand for the blood test is questionable to begin with. Had he demanded the same when he fought Marquez, then I will understand if will demand the same when fighting Manny..but did he?
Why? Do you think Floyd will fight Manny outside Vegas if the blood test is imposed? You know pretty well that Manny is a natural welterweight i.e., it is Manny’s walking weight therefore there is nothing unusual with what he brings in that weight…in fact he is less effective at the lower weights because he needs to punish himself to make the lower weights..
Your true colors simply popped out.Don’t mask your bait with colorful praises on Manny Pacquiao.Does GOD given gifts defies logic as you said?
Floyd was also 106 at 16 and what is the problem of a blood test after the fight that Manny is willing to do and have done in the past and was never tested positive.I think Floyd and a lot of people is making to much out of this
@georgebush III
I still don’t understand it, but oh well at least I got my point across.
@Ryan
“you’re a simpleton”
That’s what adults do, huh? And, by the way you are a vigorous Duckiao sauce swallower. We can start insulting each other if thats what you want to do. Its fun to me.
And, thanks for the PED testing lesson. But I’m really not interested in molecular chemistry. I just want to see two of the best in the world get it on. And one guy seems to be the one who has made that not possible, because he won’t do a certain kind of drug testing procedure. I don’t assume that he is guilty but I know something ain’t right with him. His behaviour will forever seem irrational to me no matter how many people try concoct these farfetched and imaginitive excuses for him. Yeah, the same excuses that you call “educated”.
I don’t care about who got what or how the money was split either cause thats tabloid talk IMHO. Common sense tells me why this fight is the biggest thing in boxing. And we already know who is the only one of the two that has already been in a fight that has set precedents in PPV sells. Which one of them has endorsements on American television? Out of the two, which one do you honestly think has made more money in the sport? Come on. Its not even a question that Floyd Mayweather Jr. is the answer to all of the above questions.
I personaly am not accusing Manny Pacquiao of anything.The real question here is why?didnt Manny Pacquiao accept to the random drug testing that Mayweather himself was willing to take.I mean did we realy get a true answer from Manny or his team?Manny stated that taking a test to close to a fight weakens him.A man of this athletic ability gets weakened from a teaspoon of blood removed from his body.How can any racional person believe such a thing.Then there was Mannys statement that he has a phobia of needles.Go check out boxingscene,where there are several pics of Manny Pacquiao getting a blood test while stairing down at the needle going into his arm.Does that sound like a man with a phobia of needles?I wont even get into the fact that Manny has tatoos.Then you have Bob Arum telling the press…”did you ever go into the Dr’s office for a blood test and the nurse or whomever was giving you the test,was not able to find the vein and had to insert the needle several times”uh,NO!stating that the arm becomes useless and for a runner it wouldnt be so bad,but for a boxer,his arm becomes useless.What the!.He has all these people with so many different excuses.Like they are try’n to rationalize it themselves.
So lets see,Floyd jr ask Manny to take random drug testing that Mayweather himself will also be taking.This offends Pacquaio because of allegations that Floyd Sr made of Pacquiao possibly taking some kind of steroid and decides to take it to court.My question is what would be the best way if i was Pacquiao to deal with this situation.Take it to court and have many people question why i wouldn’t submit myself to a test that my opponent gladly will.And why i would turn down the biggest fight in my career,for the biggest payday of my career.Or,take the random blood testing,fight the fight and beat mayweather to prove to all the people that doubt my accomplishments that i am not taking anything,and be considered the greatest fighter of this generation.Some may say the greatest p4p of all times.All while making a vast amount of money.The most of my career.I will let you do the math.
Pacquiao if anything sure made himself appear guilty,or that he has something to hide.
If Mayweather Sr never made those statements that Manny can possibly be taking steroids,do you think Pacquiao would have accepted to the testing?
Ryan may be right.
Highest paperview ratings normally happen during summer. If these guys want to go down in history as boxers with the highest grossing fight, then summer is the time to do it.
I will admit I prefer Floyd to Manny first of all, as I believe they possess similar level of ability, but the brains behind Pacquiao belong to Roach, whereas Mayweather is the one behind his success. I understand Pacquiao not wanting to have blood taken shortly before the fight, as he strangely believes it weakens him for about three days, but Mayweather was willing to stop the testing 14 days prior to the fight, giving Pacquiao plenty of time to recover, i simply cannot understand why he would need more time than that.
And for the record, while we’re on about the conspiracy theories, here’s my take on the ordeal:
1. both sides are in collusion about this.
2. manny was told to refuse the fight on that condition
3. arum and schaefer always intended for an interim fight, building hype until may
4. this explains why pacquiao never had a good answer for refusing
5. it also explains why floyd never had an ounce of proof of manny’s alleged abuse
…ryan
@lex_fugitive
Who cares, stop blabbering about on your conspiracy theories. The bottom line:
Manny refused the condition, the fight is off.
Get over it, and wait until they both come back to the table with cooler heads. You can blame whomever you want about whatever you want.
Why don’t you ask Floyd and his team why they didn’t just acquiesce to random urine, as long as they institute the CeresNano urinalysis technique known as NanoTrap to test and detect HGH?
Then the only substance left that could possibly show up ONLY in blood testing would be blood doping (including the use of EPO’s). The sole purpose of blood doping is to increase stamina, a problem Manny has never seemed to have in the later rounds, wouldn’t you agree?
And Manny just runs high altitude to get his red blood cell count up anyhow, like THOUSANDS OF OTHER BOXERS in the sport.
Cue the crickets.
…ryan
I’m still waiting for Manny to say why he won’t take the tests. Manny and his team have given numerous reasons and every single one was a proven lie. First he was scared of needles. He has tattooes. He was superstitious about giving blood within 30 days of a fight. 9 months earleir he scheduled a fight 24 days after he knew he had to give blood. He wants to fight only by the rules of every other boxing match in history. None of them have had a $10 million penalty. He doesn’t want to be pushed around by Mayweather. Mayweather gave in to 6 of Manny’s demands and didn’t get any of his. A couple weeks ago he was asked on ESPN why he didn’t fight Mayweather and Manny insisted it was because he wouldn’t give blood the day of the fight, when no one was asking him to give blood inside of 2 weeks of the fight. Pacfans can say the drug tests Floyd wanted couldn’t find anything anyway, but the head of the USADA, the head of WADA, and Victor Conte of BALCO fame, all disagree and say under Manny’s proposal it would be very easy to use PEDs without getting caught, and Floyd’s proposal isn’t guaranteed to catch someone but is much more likely to. When tests are actually RANDOM someone wouldn’t know when to quit using PEDs and flush their system out. Knowing when the tests are makes it very easy to get away with PEDs. These are the facts according to everyone knowledgable on the subject. And regardless, why won’t Manny take any random tests??? Manny doesn’t even know why he won’t at least he couldn’t give an answer why he wouldn’t when he was asked.
good article
i don’t believe manny is juiced. i just think he’s been matched to look great. picking on fighters who are damaged and are not aces in defense or counter-attacks would make a speedball like manny look like the best thing since slice bread. manny didn’t want anything to do with floyd cause he’s the type of fighter he’s been avoiding since the marquez rematch. manny used this random blood testing as an excuse to not fight. arum didn’t even try to talk manny into the fight cause he knew floyd was all bad for manny.
@Peplz
Furthermore, once you rule out EPO and blood doping, the only real viable drugs left to test are HGH and anabolic steroids. The rest are more like vitamins and dietary supplements. So here are two points about HGH and anabolic steroids:
1. No test (read that again, NO TEST) has proven effective in detecting HGH in any athlete, not a single one. Part of the reason is that athletes can use something called an HGH releaser, which isn’t a drug at all, but a chemical that tricks the pituitary gland into producing growth horomones. It cannot be detected as of yet, though no athlete has been caught using it either.
2. CeresNano has developed a URINE test called NanoTrap which is supposedly one of the most promising methods for successfully detecting HGH in athletes. Travis Tygart, last February stated that he was “Cautiously optimistic,” about the testing methodology, and USADA proceded to give a grant to CeresNano to continue testing it. Blood testing was used in the last Olympics to detect HGH, but has yet to produce a positive result.
3. Any testing you can do for anabolic steroids in the blood, can be detected just as clearly in the urine. The detection window is higher in blood testing than urine, but in a boxing training camp regiment the difference is moot, since urine still has a detection window of 3 months or more. If you’re doing random urine testing, it’s very difficult to beat the test if you’re on anabolic steroids.
Any other questions? I’m happy to debate this with you until you are well-informed.
…ryan
@Peplz
You’re a simpleton…
“Mayweather is the biggest name in the sport of boxing, which gives him the bargaining power to make all of the requests that he wants.”
- Read that again. By your own definition this fight should be happening. But it appears that Manny had the final say in this fight, and they agreed to a 50/50 split, and Manny’s preferred fight day, and Manny’s preferred ring size, and glove size. What makes you think Mayweather has all the bargaining power? He’s the one who put in the demand which undid the whole deal.
- The answer to the earlier question, about burden of proof, is not juvenile, it’s reality. You are of the guilty until proven innocent mindset, and I am of the opposite mindset, simple as that.
- Regarding not knowing the answer to my own question, who said I didn’t know? I just said I don’t have to know, and I don’t have to prove sh\t. It’s the people who are accusing Manny of doing something with no proof that have to do their homework before the hop on another bandwagon.
- For the record, the types of results they would look for in the blood testing would be for blood doping and EPO useage, both of which increase the red blood cell to total blood ratio (known as the hematocrit level), and give increased stamina to the athlete. EPO is an extreme version of high-altitude training, where your body produces more red blood cells to deal with the thin air. That gives you stamina in a fight. Blood doping is literally injecting more blood into your body to give you more stamina.
- Don’t try and school me or dismiss my points, because they are educated and valid. You are entitled to you’re opinion, I never took that from you. But I’m entitled to call you out on them, and offer my own as well. That’s what adults do, they debate their opinions, citing facts and examples along the way.
…ryan
Pompous Braggart Fraud, can’t help himself. It is clear that his jealousy and envy is blinding him. He keeps on trying to rally his Flomos who are the only ones buying his $hite.
The world, fans and experts alike, have spoken. Go back to retirement fraud, you are a nobody, a has been. For Flomos, suck on this:
BWAA Fighter of the Year
BWAA Fighter of the Decade
ESPN Pound for Pound #1
Ring Magazine Pound for Pound #1
Nike.com personal website (where’s Fraud’s)
Scheduled Appearance on “60 Minutes” and “Good Morning America”
Only 7 time World Title Holder
All of PBF’s attacks haven’t influenced the general public. Manny, not Fraud, has transcended boxing while Fraud tried to tarnish his accomplishments and legacy. The world has spoken Fraud and you should listen. Shut up Fraud and Flomos, you are all irrelevant now. Keep on posturing and watch life and Manny pass you all by.
@Ryan
Okay, the ole Floyd is trying to change the rules arguement. Even if that were true, which it is not, how does that matter at all especially if the present “rules” are flawed as they seem to be. And its called a conractual agreement. Changing the rules would be more akin to, but not exactly, what you guys are proposing by him trying to petition the NSAC to have their drug testing protocols change to include random blood testing, which they don’t.
What of anything I said have to do with it being the biggest fight or De la Hoya for that matter. I said Mayweather is the biggest name in the sport of boxing, which gives him the bargaining power to make all of the requests that he wants. He didn’t have any bargaining power against De la Hoya. Golden Boy even got to pick which brand of gloves Floyd would wear. And on top of that, I give absolutely no credence to the arguement of Floyd not requesting any of his other opponents submit to random blood testing somehow exonerating Pacquiao. It doesn’t matter to me that Pacquiao is being singled out or the reason why. I never suspected that Pacquiao was on PED’s even after Mayweather Sr. accused him of such. But when he refused to submit to these specific testing standards it made me wonder what is going on with this guy. This is not the era of sports that you can just skate off clean after refusing such a request. I’m sure that if Pacquiao himself is not aware of this that his handlers are. So why would they risk such a PR disaster knowing the present day atmosphere of persistent public speculation and suspicion?
And your whole burden of proof arguement just sounds juvenile. We are not in court dude. You try to make a point by asking me a question that you don’t even know the answer to and then you switch your point to something totally irrelevant (like burden of proof) to your original point when it has debunked. If I lost you, what I’m saying is if you don’t know the difference between random blood testing and urinalaysis then why did you pose the question in the first place? Burden of proof? No. Be honest. You were trying to allude to the notion that urinalaysis detects all of the same drugs that random blood testing would. You know your wrong. Thats why you have to try to be tricky with words to make your point. But you’re barking up the wrong tree with me. I can see straight through all of your arguments.
Period means I don’t have to expound further. So think about it.
@georgebush III
What Half?
@aLEX
A MAN WHO GIVES HALF THE PROFIT TO THE MAN WHO CALLS HIM A CHEAT IS A FOOL. PERIOD.
@BIG G
What I’m saying is that the future of drugs testing is not intrusive blood test. Not the manner it is conducted now. If USADA wants this to be widespread across all sports, then we all sports minded people will be affected. What I wanted you to do is imagine the scenario if that same blood test was being asked in all sports, and I used a basketball team.
If Pacquiao is a cheat, then we can find out after the fight. Remember, the blood test will take a week or two to come out. So it doesn’t matter if it was taken just before or right after the fight.
Two reasons why Pacquiao is saying NO.
1) Pacquiao is old fashioned. You can blame him for being superstitious. There are billions of people around the world who are superstitious. He belongs amongst them. He lost to Morales and attribute that to blood taken days before the fight. Many amongst us will not understand why. Heck, a lot of us don’t even believe in GOD so there you go. It will be difficult for us to comprehend.
2) Pacquiao doesn’t want to be dictated upon by the Mayweathers especially after they tried to ruin his reputation.
ANY MAN THAT WOULD PAY TO PROVE THEIR INNOCENCE RATHER THAN GET PAID DOING IT IS HIDING SOMETHING. PERIOD.
TO ALL PACQUIAO HATERS AND FLOYD NUTSWINGERS OUT THERE, YOUR IGNORANCE IS THE ONLY THING MORE EXPENSIVE THAN YOUR EDUCATION. THE ACCUSER HAS THE BURDEN OF PROOF AND FLOYD MUST PROVE PACQUIAO’S GUILT, NOT PACQUIAO SHOULD PROVE HIS INNOCENCE. CONSEQUENTLY, PACQUIAO FILED A LAWSUIT AGAINST FRAUD JR.
@ george bush…wat have regular ppl got to do with a pro athelete not takin a drug test if they want to take drugs and hide it so be it,but they rnt earning millions of dollors and bein tipped as the g.o.a.t y shud manny be aloud to juice up and beat ppl unfairly and get away with it cause hes scared of a needle.how naive r use panmen thinkin that a pro boxer whos had a hell of a lot more pain than a needle in the arm is scarred plz behave and stop bein biasd and blind to the fact the ur guy might be a cheat.if hes not gr8 but untill he proves he isnt this wont go away….
to respond to a few accusations….
I have been a manny fan since before barerra. I just struggled to believe the argument against the drug testing. As for the defense/defence, i blame auto correct!
They are both great fighters, and other than manny’s political ambitions, i much prefer him. But on this particular issueL i am firmly behind team mayweather. If floyd mayweather had given the same excuses to manny i can only imagine the nonsense written against him. It should be fair for both parties..
Only narrow minded people bought this article.
If Floyd was so sure Manny was dirty, why did he rejected the 10 million drug penalty? That should have been easy money for Mayweather.
106 lbs when he was 17 years old. I, personally, weighed about the same @ 105 lbs when i was that age. Today, 150 lbs 30 years old. That’s without trying.
As far as Usain Bolt, Federer, Serena Williams, etc. , I have great respect for them as athletes and I commend them for their accomplishments. BUT, they aren’t exactly going to into a ring with someone trying to knock their heads off are they?
And since when did Mayweather become the poster boy for fair-play? Coming in over when he fought JMM. And if he really wanted to clean the sport of PEDs he really ought to start with looking in the mirror and ask himself why he uses Xylocaine for his fights.
@PEPLZ
Mistake1) Zab Judah is as fast and has punching power as Pacquiao.
Zab Judah may have the speed and power of Pacquiao but he is not as relentless.
Mistake 2)“Floyd just so happens to be the guy that was negotiating to fight Pacquiao. So he has all of the right in the world to request the most rigorous drug testing presently available based just on that fact alone.”
Pacquiao is negotiating as well. What’s he doing, just listening? So Pacquiao has a right to say NO to an unnecessary request. But then Daddy Mayweather goes out calling him PED user. That’s not negotiations. That’s smear campaign.
Mistake 3) “Do the boxing commission chair’s risk their lives in the ring? Does anyone go to a fight or purchase a PPV to see the NSAC or any other state athletic commission? The fighters themselves are the only ones that will be able to set the precedents to clean up the sport of boxing!”
Don’t get the jobs mixed up. NSAC is there to regulate the sports. Do you want them in the ring as well? Maybe next time you’ll ask Larry merchant to step in the ring.
Mistake 4) “But there is also the fact that he is the biggest name and highest paid athlete in the sport.”
Between Mayweather and Pacquiao, I think Pacquiao is a bigger name and better paid.. Mayweather-Marquez = 1 million PPVs. Pacquiao-Cotto = 1.25 million PPVs.
Mistake 5)“There is also the fact that he was the undisputed unified welterweight champion before he retired and vacated the belts. No one took the titles from him. He relinquished them.“
He hasn’t fought a welterweight in 4 years. How can he be a proper champion . There are so many good welterweights out there and he didn’t fight them before he retire. He was only forced to fight Mosley now after Pacquiao talks failed.
@Peplz
“And,no I don’t know what drugs urine does and does not detect. Do you? I doubt it.”
- The beauty is that I don’t have to know the answer to that. Anybody who subscribes to Team Mayweather’s smear campaign does, though. The burden of proof is on you lot. I believe that unless you can produce some proof or grounds for suspicion other than “you look too strong when you flex your muscles,” I’m going to side with the one being accused, in this case Manny.
I’ve said it before, steroids don’t help Manny have a tougher chin, better footwork, faster hands, proper balance when throwing punches. It may give him more stamina, but I don’t see that as ever having been a problem for Manny.
…ryan
You need to do your homework.Floyd fought and won amateur titles at the age of 16 at 106 pounds and started professionally as a super featherweight.
Manny started his career at the age of 16 at 106 pounds.So far,still the same.
Floyd moved up and always stayed around 5 pounds of his in ring weight.
Manny fought as a flyweight while an adolescent and practically starving on the streets of the Philippines until he started growing and couldn’t make flyweight without absolutely draining himself to do so.So when he made his debut in america,it was as a super bantamweight.He stayed as low as possible for as long as possible until he couldn’t make jr featherweight anymore and that’s when he started moving up.He always rehydrated about 15 pounds as a featherweight so if you look at the glaring facts,it’s not impossible to believe that.Floyd kept his speed and power as he moved up,why can’t Manny?It’s not like he’s bulldozing people with no issues,he’s progressively damaging people like he’s been doing,Ricky Hatton being the exception.
Wow Ryan,
If you really believe that the only reason the testing protocols are unreasonable is because Floyd is the one requesting them then is there any possible reason that Pacquiao could give that you would not find “viable”? And,no I don’t know what drugs urine does and does not detect. Do you? I doubt it. Thats why we refer to the experts like David Howman and Travis Tygart who say that urinalaysis is not enough.
pelpz,
if that’s so, then he should have started on marquez, upon his return.
hmm.. edited by message.
anyways, if floydie is not a joke, then the whole US of A should have been rooting for him on his so called “crusade” of cleaning up boxing. but because that majority knows that he is a hoax, only his zombie follows him.
floydie, look first on the mirror, check what is in your hands, clean your house first before cleaning up the others’.
Also, I have a friend who has two full sleeves of tattoes, back and ribs, hands, ankles, top of feet, you name it….
… and he is deathly afraid of intraveneous needles. The idea of a needle going into your body and injecting or withdrawing fluids, is unnatural, and a totally different ball game.
Floyd was trying to play off Manny’s fears, with thin and baseless accusations, in order to gain a competitive advantage over his opponent.
And it backfired. Simple as that. And now, to save face and not look like a fool, Floyd is going to pretend he’s doing the sport a favor by cleaning it up himself, and demanding that all future bouts are conducted with rigorous blood testing.
Floyd and GBP are undermining the athletic commissions, and making a laughing stock of their own hypocrisy. If you can’t see that, then you’re a zombie sheeple blinded by the reflections of Floyd’s diamond necklaces.
…ryan
@Peplz
“He’s saying he will do it if the NSAC makes it a requirement. So all of this himming and hawing is all about who the request is coming from?”
- Uhhhh, YES? That’s precisely why. And why is that not viable? Also, can you tell me what drugs blood will find in Manny’s system that urine cannot? Which leads to the next statement…
@georgebushIII
- For the very reason you explain — using basketball players as an example — rigorous blood testing will NEVER work in professional sports. It is far too invasive a testing mechanism, and far too expensive. It’s outdated guys, stop trying to act like it’s the end all be all. The future will be saliva tests taken with a simple cotton swab kit as frequently as they like, right up until game/fight time.
…ryan
i want to see fm take the punch that koed hatton
If I ordered you to have a blood a donation now and you didn’t or it wasn’t enough, does that make you a DRUG USER?
ARE YOU A DRUG USER???
Good Article
@Leroy
“I also admire Mayweather for his outstanding boxing skills, and believe that he won the moral and professional battle of the drugs testing, over Pacquiao.”
- What do you base this on? Was it Floyd’s implication on his Shade45 interview where he basically accuses Manny of being on steroids, and that the Philipines makes some of the best PED’s in the world? Or was it Floyd Sr.’s completely baseless accusations that Manny is on steroids? Or is it ODLH and GBP changing their tune and saying that suddenly Manny is a heavy puncher, and the steroids would explain it? Or is it Teddy Atlas on Friday Night Fights (an event sponsored by GBP btw) making up some story about an email he received from Pacquiao’s camp asking if they could hide a positive test, or pay it off?
If you think that is honorable, then bob’s your uncle.
…ryan
why even mention pac roid…… he ducked ss mosley, and pbf…period… he would never and i mean never fight an african american fighter…. yeah african but african american hell no. he better keep on fighting them bums and slow fighters.
Here’s a plea to blood testing fans out there. If you haven’t complied, you have no reason to cast a stone on Pacquiao.
YOU ALL BLOOD TESTING FANS OUT THERE. YOU WILL DONATE YOUR BLOOD TO RED CROSS BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. IT WILL BE FOR THE GREATER GOOD. AND ALSO BECAUSE I TELL YOU. UNLESS YOU’RE AFRAID TO BE CAUGHT OUT USING ILLEGAL DRUGS. I ORDER YOU TO DONATE BLOOD AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. BECAUSE IF YOU DON’T, YOU MUST BE USING ILLEGAL DRUGS. I’M SERIOUS, IT’S FOR THE GOOD OF THE WORLD. UNLESS YOU ARE HIDING SOMETHING. NO BLOOD DONATION = DRUG USER!!! REMEMBER, NOT JUST ONCE. BUT SEVERAL TIMES! OH BY THE WAY, RED CROSS WILL BE COMING UNANNOUNCED. GOOD LUCK RED CROSS!
I am pro-testing but against tesing that disrupts players in doing what they do, in this case boxers. Clearly, Manny knows that testing close to the fight will disrupt his training regimen and he doesn’t want that, whether it is psychological or physical. Fast forward to the future of testing – for example, a basketball team who is having games every fornight will need blood test at least twice before their game. So forty times each player, will have a syringe-full of blood taken from them. Forty needle holes in your veins! For Manny, he is asked about 6 times up to the run up to the fight. Although Mayweather will undergo the same, but is this really what we want? Is this what we want done to us if we have football fixture or a basketball match?
THERE MUST BE A BETTER WAY!!!
Pacquiao is a very exciting fighter, whom I admire, but I fully share your concern about him in regards to the blood testing. I also admire Mayweather for his outstanding boxing skills, and believe that he won the moral and professional battle of the drugs testing, over Pacquiao. Until Manny is willing to submit himself to the blood testing, I have lost a significant amount of respect for him. I would have lost much respect for Floyd too, if he had decided to fight Malignaggi or Nate Campbell, instead of an elite fighter such as Mosley (whom he has chosen) or Paul Williams.
Your article is a very good one, Kwame.
Good article,
The excuse that makes the least since of all of them is that Pacquiao will not submit to USADA random blood testing protocols because his prospective opponent is the one that that is requesting it be a part of the contractual agreement for the fight. Whats worse is this the most current and still runnning excuse. He’s saying he will do it if the NSAC makes it a requirement. So all of this himming and hawing is all about who the request is coming from? And somehow the negatimve psychological effects the test would have on him only have to do with his pride being shamed by Floyd and nothing to do with the actual blood being drawn. This is a farce Mr. Pacquiao. And you are lucky that the american sports media hates Floyd so much because your image would be more damaged than it already is if not!
fm dosent want to fight manny .
since fm wants to implement his testing on his opponents just say ill take the test 1 million dollars every time you stick a needle in me!!!! then every fighter will take the test .floyed your starting this new thing you pay for it case closed!!!!!!
Also, I think Floyd is deathly afraid of coming out of a fight with a puffy face, closed up eye, and lacerations on his forehead. His worst fear is looking like he’s been beaten up, and looking like a failure in the eyes of the boxing public (and his father).
…ryan
if manny is a hard puncher due to his training methods or as some1 called him bruce lee of boxing then he wud have always had his power not only over the last few years..its beyond me how ppl can be so biasd towards a man because they r a fan of him,he and all boxers shud take watever tests that r asked of them to prove they r cheats and if they dont shud be banned its as simple as that.im a boxing fan i enjoy watchin both fighters im not a biasd pachead or a pretty boy follower and want to see gr8 boxing from clean fighters…..
pac should tell fm you pay me 1 million dollares every time you stick a needle in me .the test will cost you fm .let fm pay for the testing
if floydie really wants to clean up boxing,
as I have said before, he should have done this:
1. gather support from his, their inner and outer circle about his idea to clean up boxing. (boxers, trainers, coach)
2. after gathering support, call a press release for their good intent of cleaning up boxing. (so that everyone will be aware and can possibly get public support)
3. go to the proper governing body and file their appeal of a more stringent test for everyone’s sake. (ask their friends in the media to come along to document the whole thing)
imo, this should have done by floydie and his gang if their intent was really pure.
but, on the contrary, they branded 1 person a cheater then asked him to do a drug test after they have embarass that person to the whole world.
your type of saviour ei?
I do agree that the COMMISSION should put the fighters through sticter forms of testing to insure fairness.(blood,urine etc..). However your suggestion that one boxer must submit to another boxers request for testing is ridiculous. That is what the commission is for in each sport. It is not up to an individual to begin to amend the rules of an entire sport because this could and would get out of hand quickly. If ANY fighter is cheating then that fighter should be punished regardless of stature in the sport. If fighters can make up their own rules as they go along then what is the commission for. The proper steps should be taken and everyone within the sport if they have nothing to hide submit to the ruling of the COMMISSSION! Its funny how someone can be assumed guilty just by speculation due largely to the fact that if they cant do something that means that nobody else can either! lol Oh and as far as giving Mayweather credit for fighting Mosley I think he deserves it but not to the extent that you seem to. He is a very talented fighter but fighting good competition consistently (fighters in your weight class,equal weight, and not once in a blue moon) is what defines careers not your record!!!
I rememberd a lyrics of a song, “how do rumors get started started by the jealousy”
@ Ryan Dunn
you are right on point, people need to think about it, Manny will get tested, but it wont be at the hands of the Mayweather camp…..
yeah… GBP should implement this on their fighters first if they truly want to clean up the sport. Make random drug testing a standard in every GBP fight and then go ask the commission to implement the same to every boxing event. That would be great!
@ georgebush III
Blood testing is way too risky and expensive to ever become the mainstream. I have one word for you…
SALIVA.
Crime scene investigators across the country use saliva samples to conduct all of their testing, it’s only a matter of time before athletic commissions institute the same agenda. It’s harmless, and can’t be beat by flushing out the system. It’s non-invasive, and can be conducted at any time, any place, with a simple kit.
…ryan
Also, if you want to know why Manny’s punches are so brutal, you should watch one of his fights. He has an uncanny ability to torque his body, using the martial arts tactic of punching THROUGH his targets. He’s boxing’s Bruce Lee, and he’s getting better every fight. It’s not the result of some Incredible Hulk Smoothie, folks.
Steroids don’t make you a technically better boxer, but Manny seems to bring a new weapon into the ring every time he fights. This next fight will showcase Manny’s body punching repertoire stepping up a notch.
…ryan
Thomas Hauser made an explosive expose about his thoughts on boxing, pacquiao, mayweather and Golden Boy. It could mean that De La Hoya might have used illegal substances in the past as well. Also, it puts Golden Boy in an awkward position of asking every GBP boxer to submit to USADA testing including their opponents. Remember, this test is random and frequent. Soon, basketball teams and football teams will have to line up in the locker room to get their blood taken just before the match.
There must be a better way. Blood test fans are resolute that it is the only way and not prepared to find alternative ways that are not intrusive. GBP will have to ask every single boxer now to undergo the test or they are just HYPOCRITEs. IT should be FREQUENT, RANDOM and VERY CLOSE TO THE FIGHT. NSAC should take charge of how rules are run. Otherwise boxers make their own.
@a-plot
Let it go man. Nobody has an ounce of proof of Manny using anything, anymore than I have proof that you wear women’s underwear.
The whole point is that the burden of proof lies with the accuser. That is the fair way life works, and why the courts were modeled after it.
Refusing to take a test because somebody randomly accuses you does not make you guilty. The whole point of the Smear Manny Campaign was to cast doubt in the fans’ minds, so that Manny can never rise up to the greatness of Sugar Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Roberto Duran and so on.
And the only people who are taking the bait are either 1) Anti-Manny or 2) Pro-Floyd or 3) Both.
It’s rather predictable, so carry on…
…ryan
How old was Manny when he started boxing. Seems to me a lot of the weight gain is from a natural process known as maturing. And before all those bigger guys fought Manny, Hatton, DLH etc… they were going to anihilate the little guy. I think part of his MIRACULOUS performances are due to his opponents seriously underestimating Pacquaio. There was concern that the little guy would be PERMANENTLY damaged. The end of the article seems to imply that Manny has done boxing a diservice. I could’t disagree more. Manny has brought MILLIONS of new fans to the sport and conducts himself in a positive manner that only serves to enhance boxings international reputation. Oh yeah, and if Serena Williams demanded a new drug testing protocol before she played others, tennis would move on without her…. after a raucous round of laughter.
@Mytur bin Esdurrty
haha this is so much fun.
the superstition that going into that testing room would make you fail? haha this student has got some head problems..
i’m not saying that the straight a’s are proof, that would be stupid. but you are telling these people to prove that you cheated while depriving them of opportunity to do just that.
ok let’s bring this back to boxing for a moment, how does taking the blood test LABEL you a cheater? that one was lost on me.
@a-plot
if the SCHOOL (i.e., boxing commission) STATES to take the test in the room, then i will
students cannot………….period
like Ryan Dunn states, its the commission…………
Pac will be FORCED by the commission not by Mayweather, then when he tests clean, everyone will say that he is using a masking agent and that he doesnt take PEDS now but he did earlier in his career, so he can never be great
@a-plot
You’re mixing metaphors. The customer in my analogy is Manny, the bank is Floyd. Manny has tested clean his entire career. If you’re going to fault the “state of testing in boxing” why take out your frustration on a fellow boxer, why not go to the commission.
Floyd is talking out of both sides of his mouth hole. On one side, he and his cronies (dad included) imply that Manny is on drugs. On the other hand he claims it’s nothing personal, he’s just trying to “clean up the sport of boxing.”
Which is it? Is the request for testing because you suspect Manny is on drugs? Or is it to clean up the sport, and that’s why you’re going to request it of all your future fights?
And since when is Floyd the good samaritan savior who’s come back from a wealthy retirement once the financial times get tough and not only get some more money from the sport but now clean it up and make it somehow better in his own image.
Last I checked, Floyd is not a christ figure. Just ask Rick Ross or Brian Kenny. He’s a delusional baby who thinks head games are going to put him in a place of superiority, as a way to “get back at” Manny for taking the 50/50 split. Floyd had the chip on his shoulder, and Manny had the Phillipines on his.
Floyd lost, not Manny.
And this fall, Floyd is going to lose again if his stock goes down one iota.
…ryan
And the reason is because it’s humanly impossible to get grades higher than their son/nephew and 500 years ago, the boy’s ancestors used something that made their IQ shoot up to levels higher than Einstein’s.
Kwame Cinquez is right.. i could not agree more. great article.
haha we’re getting wayy to hypothetical here, but its fun.
if you’re an honor student, you’re going to be taking another test anyway (urine test). you’re just being asked to take the next test under more regulated conditions (blood testing).
@ a-plot
here is the answer:
I dont want to go to a room where i cannot cheat,
I believe that being in that room might make me fail (PACs superstitions)
Why should I go? Going to that room LABELS me a cheater, none of the students showed that I am a cheater
I know i passed by studying hard
prove that i did not deserve those straight A’s and that I cheated
and then I will PROVE to you that I have not cheated by going into that room
not the other way around, but please dont USE that i got straight A’s as the proof that I am cheating
would you take the test just because your other honor student and his/her father and uncle says you cheated? do you think it’s fair?
@Mytur bin Esdurrty
this situation would be more like getting straight a’s on tests, then being asked to take your next test in a room that one would not be able to cheat in. keep in mind that the people requesting this are offering to take the next test in the same conditions… does that sound so unfair and terrible?
given the current status of drug testing in boxing, i’d say it would be more like going into a bank, asking for a loan with absolutely no credit. getting a high interest rate. which is reasonable. is it not?
at the most, it would be like having perfect credit on a 200 dollar limit student visa and asking for 25 million dollars…(sorry, that was exaggerated. but you get the point)
To All Pro-Pacman, let’s all have a party and dance! Just ignore and thank the Pacman haters for they are also son of God. May their days are full of glory. And may our Almighty God give this writer more brilliant ideas based on the facts not speculation and false allegations. May all of you enlighten by the word of God, the Bible.
So is this how it is if you go from 106-147 in 15 year span that means your using some kind of PED. So lets see Dela Hoya, Mayweather, and Shane Mosely(he may have) all these guys have taken PEDs and how about Roy Jones he went from welterweight to heavyweight i guess he was on PEDs too. These are just pointless accusations
These people didn’t even know the simple word “random”. It’s RANDOM! Why don’t you Pacman haters give some blood and donate them to Haitian?? Are you scared of needles too? Or are you afraid to find out that you are HIV or Hepa positive?
@ A-plot
buddy thats circular reasoning AGAIN
PROOF does NOT equal him not testing
EXAMPLE:
1. I get straight A’s on all my tests
2. Other students call me a cheater
3. The Students TELL me to prove I am not a cheat
4. I do not want to prove it, because i studied hard
5. I am then labeled cheater, cause I do not want to prove it
I SAY PROVE HE INITIALLY HAS TAKEN PED’s
You CANT
Proof does NOT EQUAL him not taking a test, prove he did it first, Like Moseley, then ASK
more CIRCULAR reasoning by people who cannot form an argument, circular reasoning will NOT ever win in court and in life
I bet this writer including fanny weathers lost a substantial amount of money for betting against Pacman, the Wapakman. Haler! What a LOSER!
@a-plot
Usually when you want to change the rules based on your own personal suspicions, somebody should ask why you want the change, what proof do you have to lead you to your suspicion.
If you wanted to borrow money from a bank, and even though your credit rating is perfect, the banker thinks something about you might be risky, so he gives you a very high interest rate to protect himself, you would either 1) walk away and find another bank who isn’t suspicious of you; or 2) ask the bank to produce some evidence to support their worry that you are a risky client.
Right?
…ryan
I agree. Good article……..
Mayweather his pop and Goldenboy are going to Court!!! Nuff Said.
i love this, people screaming “prove that manny has taken ped’s!”
how does one “prove it” when the fighter won’t take the test that would prove it????
there’s no proof of steroid use or blood doping with manny pacquiao because he won’t give anyone a chance to prove it..
Envy and jealousy are what fuels all of these insinuations about Pacquiao’s PED use. These detractors just cannot accept this little Filipino’s rise to stardom.
Manny is the best Fighter of the Decade! Period. Is there any one who will contest and complain that award to Pacman? Go and file a complaint against Boxing Writers Association of AMerica. The same thing with blood testing. Do you have complaints about it? Go and say it candidly to the NSAC, not you your opponent. If you can’t do that, then just dance with Lady Gaga.
No matter how people will criticize Pacman, in the eyes of God he is clean. It is sad to know from the fact that jealousy and envy had caused them to be evil men.
So basically, the argument is…their are ceratin ways to NOT get caught cheating, even if you take blood or urine right after the fight. By doing random tests up to 14 days before the fight obviously thwarts these methods and if pacquiao is a drug cheat then thats why he didnt want to do it
I GOT THE PROOF
uncle roger states that the Philippines and America were at war 500 YEARS ago, and that the American Soldiers said that the bullets were bouncing off the Filipinos…..
If my history is correct, the Americans fought the Philippines 500 years ago but the U.S. is less than 300 years old….
thats the proof: A-Meth
@Tre’
Actually, Floyd Sr. started the rumor after the Hatton annihilation. After that fight, Floyd and his son reconciled and became pool-buddies. It is around this time that, I believe, Floyd Sr. began spewing poison into his son’s ears with regards to how they can dethrone Manny without ever setting foot in the ring, and come out with a superior public image, which would then lead to a bigger share of the pie.
Here’s a video which I believe was conducted before the Manny/Cotto fight…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRH6Ehf32bo
…ryan
In defence of floyd mayweather he IS actually the best fighter in the world, he will beat and then pacquiao i have no doubt about that.
Mayweather may not have the right to demand a certain new proceedure where drug testing is concerned HOWEVER it does not change the fact that Pacquiao for one reason or another point blank refused to give blood 14 days before the fight. For that reason people are entitled to assume that he is a drug cheat. I think by their routinely awkward demand during the negotiations, team mayweather coincidently exposed this while not really expecting to. Either that, or they knew something that people were afraid to say in public.
After all, the refusal then the lawsuit..its all a bit much from a guy who could simply end the issue by simply taking the test
@ MANDINGO
i totally agree with the article… of course manny has never came up hot on a drug test for steroids… HE WONT FLIPPIN TAKE ONE lol its impossible to fail a test you dont take and extremely hard to fail when you take one but only 30 days before the fight. think about it man its common sense you take one 30 days before the fight shoot up at your workouts for the next 16 days and flush itall out before the fight… THATS how you come out clean idiot
prove innocence?
there was no PROOF that he has taken PEDS!
i say PROVE that he does PEDS, and let him discredit it
PROOF does not equal MOVING UP IN WEIGHT AND WINNING
PROOF is BALCO, PROOF is DIRTY NEEDLES, PROOF is in the pudding
And the PUDDING is not the fact that he does not want to take the test
have all boxing commissions use olympic testing, then pac will follow
STUPID LOGIC AS FOLLOWS
1. PAC beats bigger fighters, moves up in wgt and speed
2. PAC is called cheater based on 1, with no REAL proof
3. PAC asked to take olympic testing
4. PAC does not want to, based on no proof
5. PAC called cheater based on 1 and 4
Circular reasoning, based on NO PROOF
You’ve been Rick Rolled by Team Mayweather. 1000% you would never, ever, EVER write this article if Floyd Sr. didn’t make some lofty accusation of Manny after he beat Hatton.
Not a chance.
With that said, are you claiming that Raheem pushed Morales past his peak? Since Morales clearly “outsmarted” Manny in their first fight, Morales should have still been in top form right? So between the rematch, the Raheem fight did Morales in? Or was it the war with Manny, and the subsequent match where Manny improved that did it?
And all of this is basically an insult to Freddie Roach, the strength and conditioning coach, and Manny himself, by saying that an improvement in punching power has to be the result of PED’s.
Mayweather grew just as much in body mass if not more, since coming on as an amateur. The only difference is he doesn’t have Manny’s gift for punching power, his gift is in outboxing his opponents, turning the match into a ballet and dancing around like Ali. It’s a different skill from Manny, but if you don’t think Manny’s always been a brutal puncher you’re out of your mind.
With JMM, whom he knocked down 4 times in two fights by the way, he was faced with 1) and underdeveloped right hand; 2) Lacking head movement and footwork, which lead to balance problems; and 3) one of the best counter punchers in the sport… in his prime.
Don’t act like Compubox has revealed some grand conspiracy theory to you, Kwame. You only make yourself look like the foolish zombie sheeple also known as Mayweather fanatics. You’re looking for ways of justifying asinine accusations by a group of thugs and known criminals, aka witnesses on the stand with no credibility.
There isn’t a steroid on the planet that can help a guy deliver the perfectly timed, perfectly placed power punch.
Get real.
…ryan
I really didn’t feel the reason for Team Mayweather PED alligations against Pac was to clean up boxing! These are the same people months earlier stating Mayweather would defeat Pac with no problem (easily). Mayweather Sr started these rumors after Pac defeated Cotto & negotiations started between Pac & Floyd. All of sudden the entire Golden Boy team started saying the same thing. Dela Hoya stated Pac was very fast but wasb’t a hard hitter after there fight but came out later & said Pac hit like Mosley & Vargas! This is just a bunch of BS coming from Team Mayweather & GBP to get in Pac’s head. They were shocked that Pac didn’t accept the rules of Floyd & that goes to show that Floyd is not the biggest draw in boxing. It’s funny how they pick out one guy out of thousands of boxers. They don’t understand they have put a black eye over boxing just like baseball. Everytime someone move up in weight with power, that fighter will be questioned! I would love to see boxing get cleaned up but theres a better way to do it. Cleaning up boxing should not be negotiated, it should be a rule!!!
Who in the hell do you and mayweather think you are???
Mosley is a proven and admitted cheat in the past and one can understand why he needs to be tested but the pacman has “NEVER” failed a drug test.Why is it so difficult for people like yourself whom the americans refer to as “HATERS” to understand that no longer killing yourself to make weight and adding a bit of muscle to upper and lower body will increase one’s speed,power and overall athletic ability???
Plain and simple floyd is scared and wants nothing to do with the PAC-ATTACK!!!
Lee, you are absolutely wrong. Will you also read more articles from various journalists including philboxing.com? Bob Arum knew something about Oscar de La Hoya, that’s why the latter didn’t sign the “waiver’? Are you also aware of that article? If not, you need to read more unbiased articles, which are based on facts not false allegations and speculations. If not then Just Dance with Lady Gaga:)
It was Marquez who recovered from the early knock downs in 2004 not Morales. e didnt fight Morales util 2005. Prove how much this idiot knows!!!!!!!
That achievement can be done by rigorous training and dedication. Pacquiao came from a very poor family you can ever imagined. He has the will to defy any common ‘logic’ most of us have. And that’s what makes him extraordinary. Instead of blaming on PEDs he showed us that a lot can be achieved if you have the will and determination to do it. Why is it that the kind of thinking people have is crooked? Mayweather have been bullying Pacquiao long before their agreed fight. Pacquiao and his camp is fed up by Mayweather’s attitude, they cannot afford to be bullied one more. It’s pride that gets in between this thing.
jdubb
Are you nuts mosely has been on drugs before maybe clean now but remember innocent till proven guilty.
Its not qabout bieng a stretch. Its about taking the test to prove your clean. If in fact it was dpne naturally then taking the test should not have beenn a problem
I’m in total agreement with this article. I to am a fan of Pacquiao, however it should manditory that he take random drug test for PEDS everytime he steps into ring. Good call Floyd “Money” Mayweather. I believe you have started something very BIG and very GOOD for boxing! Thanks Sugar Shane Mosley for cooperating with the testing… You guys are TRUE LEADERS in the Sport of Boxing.
Ricky ‘Hitman’ Haaaaaton!
I agree also that Pac should’ve done the test to prove his innocence or not. But the NSAC should step up or step in since they should be the one’s criticized. To take it a step further, Obama should’ve submitted his birth certificate to the courts when ordered to rather than spending almost $900k to keep it hidden. Putting it on YouTube is not official, lol!
GOOD ARTICLE.
I DIDNT FEEL FLOYD WAS TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO GET OUT OF THE FIGHT. I THINK THE MAYWEATHER CAMP KNEW SOMETHING BEHIND THE SCENES THAT MAYBE ISNT BEING SAID IN PUBLIC.
When Manny started at 106 pounds……that was in 1995. So now fighting at 147, 15 years later. I don’t think gaining 2.6 pounds a year is too much of stretch to believe.