Has Pacquiao fought mostly shot fighters in the past three years?
February 6th, 2010
By Esteban Garduno: In looking over Manny Pacquiao’s resume in the past few years since 2007, an argument can be made that most of Pacquiao’s opponents in this time period have been pretty much shot for the most part. Let’s look at who Pacquiao has fought since 2007: Marco Antonio Barrera, Juan Manuel Marquez, David Diaz, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton and Miguel Cotto. Now obviously Diaz, 33, wasn’t a shot fighter at the time that Pacquiao chose to fight him in June 2008, but then again, few people considered Diaz, then the World Boxing Council lightweight champion, to be the best fighter in the lightweight division at the time that Pacquiao fought him.
Marco Antonio Barrera – This was the second fight between Barrera and Pacquiao, which took place in October 2007. Barrera, 33-years-old at the time, had just been soundly beaten in his last fight against Juan Manuel Marquez in a 12 round decision loss. There seemed to be little point in Pacquiao fighting a second fight against Barrera at this stage in his career, as Pacquiao had totally dominated Barrera four years previously in stopping Barrera by an 11th round TKO in November 2003. Barrera then rebounded from that defeat by winning his next six fights before losing to Marquez. However, Barrera took an enormous amount of punishment in his wins over Erik Morales, Paulie Ayala and Rocky Juarez.
The two victories over Juarez in 2006 were especially close for Barrera, and many people thought that Barrera had lost the fight first fight against Juarez. I had Juarez winning the first fight, and had Barrera narrowly winning the second bout. However, Barrera didn’t look like the same fighter, appearing to have lost a lot in his wars with Ayala and Morales. Barrera looked like a shell of his former self when he was defeated by Marquez in March 2007. Seven months after Marquez dominated Barrera, Pacquiao fought Barrera for a second time in October 2007, beating him by a lopsided 12 round decision. It looked at times like Pacquiao was going easy on Barrera, because he never seemed to step on the gas and the fight eventually went the distance.
Oscar De La Hoya – I didn’t see the purpose in Pacquiao fighting De La Hoya in December 2008. De La Hoya, 35, had lost three out of his last six fights going into his fight against Pacquiao, and he probably should have had a 4th loss because Oscar’s 12 round decision win over middleweight Felix Sturm was very questionable with more than a few boxing fans feeling that Sturm should have won the June 2004 fight. I had Sturm easily beating De La Hoya by at least four rounds. De La Hoya came into the fight against Pacquiao looking really shot, and what seemed to add to that even more was that he agreed to fight Pacquiao at 147. It wasn’t considered to be a catch weight bout, but given that De La Hoya had been fighting at light middleweight (154) for the past seven years leading up to the Pacquiao fight, it pretty much amounted to being a catch weight fight.
I don’t know how you can call it anything other than a catch weight bout. The process of taking off weight to get to 147 left De La Hoya looking drained and weak by the time he entered the ring against Pacquiao. So not only was De La Hoya a fighter that was struggling in his last six fights going into the Pacquiao bout, but he also appeared weight drained and weak by fight time against Pacquiao. As such, Pacquiao easily beat De La Hoya by an eighth round stoppage.
Ricky Hatton Before being stopped in the 2nd round by Pacquiao in May 2009, Hatton had been beaten down by Floyd Mayweather Jr. in an 10th round TKO defeat in December 2007. That fight might not have been a big deal if not for the fact that Hatton was badly hurt twice in his subsequent bout against non-puncher Juan Lazcano five months later in May 2008, a fight in which Hatton was badly staggered in the 8th round and appeared on the verge of being stopped by Lazcano.
However, the referee pulled Lazcano off of a reeling Hatton for some unexplainable reason, and then moments later stopped the action again by allowing Hatton a time out to have his shoelaces tied just as Lazcano was trying to finish him off. Hatton recovered and went on to win the fight by a comfortable 12 round decision over Lazcano, but the fight showed that Hatton’s punch resistance appeared to have decreased since the Mayweather defeat. To his credit, Hatton did win his next fight, a 11th round TKO over Paulie Malignaggi, but then again, Malignaggi was a light puncher and not someone who could really test Hatton’s chin.
Miguel Cotto A year before Pacquiao stopped Cotto, Antonio Margarito had given Cotto a brutal beating in stopping Cotto in an 11th round TKO in July 2008. Cotto took enormous punishment in that fight, suffering a broken nose, and extensive cuts along with being badly hurt by the huge hammering shots from Margarito. A lot of boxing fans feel that Cotto wasn’t the same fighter he once was after the loss to Margarito.
Although Cotto looked as good as usual in beating British welterweight Michael Jennings by a 5th round TKO in Miguel’s first fight after the Margarito loss in February 2009, it wasn’t a real test for Cotto, because Jennings was so badly over-matched and probably had no business being ranked so highly by the WBO in the first place. Jennings looked like a 2nd tier welterweight in that fight. In Cotto’s next fight against Joshua Clottey, Cotto looked horrible, taking a lot of punishment and appearing as if he was about to quit at one point in the fight. Cotto was hurt by Clottey and didn’t look like the same fighter he was previous to the Margarito loss.
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pac-delahoya – delahoya called pacman out
pac-hatton – does a younger hatton have a chance?
pac-cotto – even when pac wasn’t throwing, did he fall?
pac-clottey – only because floyd chickened out
not saying you’re wrong but these are facts
I wish big mouthweather will not suffer humiliating defeat in the hands of Shane mosley,if that will happen the legacy of mouthweather will end.
Pac was the bigger guy against ODLH on fight night. Oscar weighed in at 145 the night before and actually came in the same weight on fight night, which is unheard of and unhealthy considering he was fighting at 154 and coming into fights probably around 160, not being able to rehydrate from the weigh in is extremely telling. Not taking anything away from Pac, just saying Pac was probably a healthy 147-149 that night, while ODLH was a feeble 145.
over the hill and far away pac-man comes out to play
ATLAS YOUR A FOOL STYLES MAKE FIGHTS WHICH IS WHY MOSLEY WAS NOT ABLE TO HANDLE COTTO BECAUSE MOSLEY IS A BOXER. BUT PACQUIAO IS MORE OF A BRAWLER WHICH IS WHY HE WAS ABLE TO WIN EASLY AND IT DOSENT MATTER WHOS FOUGHT WHO BOTH PAC-MAN AND MONEY MAYWHEATHER ARE GREAT FIGHTER THE DIFFRENCE IS MAYWEATHER IS THE BEST AND PACQUIAO IS GOOD.
wow pacquiao fought a shot bigger de la hoya at 35 years old! what about floyd fighting a smaller 36 years old marquez and cheated on weight? and now will be fighting a 39 years old who was inactive for a year and was defeated by cotto who was demolished by pacquiao? hahahaha what a joke!!!
LEX FUGITIVE- WHO WILL BE FIGHTING ON MAY 1ST? oh yeah, floyd vs mosley, its popular because its going to be a fight between the best PED. xylocaine vs steroid which is better? hahahaha we’ll find out soon!!!
Whenever I tell my friends (all average sports fans that buy the big fights that they know both fighters in) Mayweather-Mosley is on May 1 and tell them Pacquiao is fighting Clottey they all say the same two things: May 1st will be great. And Pacquiao’s fighting who? I tell them Clottey again and again they ask “who?” May 1 easily doubles the opening act for the real event.
The only fight Pacquiao has been an underdog against was ODLH. Against Hatton and Cotto he was the heavy favorite and I didn’t read or hear anyone saying Hatton was too strong for Manny. Hatton got a gift against Lazcano. Cotto looked slower, weaker, worse stamina, and an even shakier chin. In fact thats what all the boxing analysts said and wrote way before Manny was ever mentioned as an opponent. Now that Manny beat a couple of shot fighters that he was a very heavy favorite over, the Pactards come out in force insisting Manny was a huge underdog and he proved everyone wrong. When in fact, Manny just proved everyone right in showing that the previous few fights weren’t flukes and these fighters really were shot. After Manny beats Clottey the Pactards will insist Manny was a huge underdog and pulled off the biggest upset ever. When in fact, he’ll just prove whats been stated numerous times: Clottey is a B grade fighter to begin with.
Everyone is a bunch of hypocrites I guarantee most of the skeptics before all the pacquiao fights said DHL is way too big ,Hatton was the best and undefeated in jr. welter division, or or Cotto is to strong and to big for pacman. What now did they all loose their skills and become shot fighters hours before the fight, people are ignorant and stupid.
The old adage that “all roads lead to Mayweather”, is passe’! Who is the best boxer for 2009? who is the best boxer for the Decade? voted by the Boxing Writers Association of America/BWAA (independent group of writers from all US states) . . its Pacquiao by a mile!
All this talk about . . (a) Pacquiao fighting wash up boxers, (b) Pacquiao the catch weight king and now because these don’t stick (c) Pac likely using PEDs – - these are all just EXCUSES, EXCUSES . .
Floyd Mayweather Jr can easily be beaten by an IN-FIGHTER or SWARMER which was proven during first fight of Mayweather vs Castillo whom Castillo has clearly won.
The key to a swarmer is aggression, endurance, chin, and bobbing-and-weaving. Ricky Hatton has proven it once when he landed a right then later a left jab that almost KO Floyd in the remaining 1:25 of the 1st round. Hatton was short with his armory for having not enough speed and power to finish Floyd on that first round. With desperation having no capability for a KO, Floyd deliver his KO on the 10th round.
The style of Mike Tyson can easily beat Floyd Mayweather Jr.
I agree
TRUE FANS WOULD KNOW MANNY EVEN AS GOOD AS HE IS, HAS NEVER FOUGHT ANYONE IN THE SAME LEAGUE AS FLOYD. great point from SmoovOne.
A Pacman – Bradley fight could have prepared Pacquiao for Mayweather. Let’s face it, Pacman fanatics thinks he is better than he actually is. But true fans of boxing know that he hasn’t fought anyone on Mayweather’s skill level other than JMM. Mayweather totally dominated JMM, forget whether JMM came up in weight. It was a complete shutout. Mayweather is in a class by himself, skill wise.
Even Freddie Roach knows this and has said that “Pacquiao would have to fight a perfect fight to be Mayweather.”
Good article. Pac’s last few fights with the exception of the Diaz fight have all been damaged goods. I agree with this article completely. I also wondered why he even fought Barrera at all. If he would have fought Cotto at 147 instead of the “Catchweight” of 145, I think the fight would have been more competitive.
FACTs are facts and you can’t change the FACTS. At the same time you have to give MAYWEATHER credit for fighting DLH at DLH’s weight of 154, not a weight drained 147. And you have to give Mayweather credit for beating Hatton. Hatton was good at that time and Hatton was undefeated.
Pacquiao hasn’t been tested at all against “skilled” boxers in his entire career, with the exception of Morales (1st fight only, 2 others Morales had trouble making 130) or JMM. Both of the JMM fights were close. I thought Pacquiao should have fought Timothy Bradley who’s definitely skilled, instead of another stiff, Josh Clottey.
Pacquiao is the GREATEST.
Manny is a cracking fighter no doubt about it. Oscar hatton and cotto were not the fighters they once were but that always happens in boxing. Manny beat them easily and didnt look in any trouble in doing it. He is a come forward fighter that can fill stadiums and whatever because of his exciting style. Floyd on the other hand is a pure counter puncher and looks awesome doing it. It might look like he is scared to get involved but he is clever and doesnt want to take punishment, which is alot harder to do than being an all out slugger. Remember ‘the greatest’ Ali, was also a counter puncher who didnt have to get into wars because he was skilful enough he didnt have to. Manny and floyd both deserve massive credit for how they fight and what they have acomplished. I personally feel floyd will win if they fight but no one knows in this great sport.
Evolutionary,
I think what the writer was tryin to point out is that Hatton, Cotto and ODLH all came off of a bad showing in previous fights before they fought Manny. He isn’t trying to take anything away from Manny but stating the facts. Manny did fight ODLH at a weight Oscar hasn’t been at since 1995. He fought Cotto after Cotto received a beat down by Margitrito and a controversial win against a B fighter Clottey and Hatton was never the same after PBF. These are facts you have to except
the shot fighter debate may go on and on. The thing that gets overlooked is that a super feather that has moved way up in weight has dominated some pretty good bigger men. Give him at least a little credit. And by the way, the word “hater” is getting old.
Before Manny fought diaz, oscar da lahoya hoe, hatton, and cotto, many people would say that Manny would lose, he shouldn’t even think about fighting these boxers, they are stronger than him, bigger than him or one of them is udefeated at 140 lb. weight, and so on and forth. After he defeated all of them, all of a sudden they are shot fighters, wow what is a fighter suppose to do to get his fair of dues. I was surprised that they didn’t say that Manny is also a shot fighter bec. he got defeated and got knocked out before. You know what, after Manny defeats floydie, mosley margarito and the rest, you guys would still say the same cap, and I will not be surprised then.
Why is it that everytime an upcoming fighter beats another, somebody else who thinks they have good knowledge of boxing
would say that those whom he beats are shot fighters. If that is true how come those mentined boxers that Manny defeated were top 5 or 7 in rankings. Would you have preferred that Manny have fought other fighters of lower rankings than those guys. You would have said that floydie, mosley, margarito and others are shot if Manny would have defeated them already. This is old news already, move on to a better argument.
Who has’nt fought almost shot fighters lately? It’s not just Pacman. Plus these guys are’nt considered shot until Manny beats them.
why don’t you fight Pacquiao so you can be more shot after the fight. Maybe broken tooth!
@ richard bailey i agree with you. before cotto, i know manny could beat who ever he fights. then i watch cotto fight clotty and margarito. i really believe that manny will lose against cotto. And I think manny vs floyd will never happen. if mosley win over floyd maybe manny vs mosley
Cant wait to see what all the floyd haters say if floyd beats manny if the fight happens.
how dare they run a story like that !! this is the fighter of the deacade they are talking about …lmfao…instead of taking on williams , mosley or mayweather he took ……clottey?
i’ve been saying this for awhile. diaz, oscar, ricky and cotto were all damaged fighters. that’s why manny walked away from floyd. not only is floyd not a damamged fighter, he’s the kind of fighter manny has been avoiding since marquez. a counterpuncher with world class defense. i give him credit for taking on clottey cause he’s not damaged and has great defense and chin. if he beats clottey soundly, i give manny all the credit in the world. but manny gets beat up whether or not he gets the W. clottey aint no joke.
They’re not shot, Pac made them look shot…
Barrera shot? i dont think so somehow. When pac man fought him the first time he was in his prime and seen as one the best pound for pound fighters around . .
Before the Cotto fight i might have sided with this writer, but since then no way. I made the mistake in writing an article on this site on how i thought Cotto would destroy the smaller Pac Man. How wrong i was. He destroyed Cotto who was not shot, Hatton who might have been a bit over rated but was still the best in the J Welterweight division and De La Hoya who at the end of the day may not have been at his peak was still twice the size of Pac Man on any given day. David Diaz was still a champion ok not the best but still a champ and he seriously made a statement on him. Ok though Marquez i think won thier fight and no one will convince me of that, but at the end of the day Pac Man got the nod over him and thats all that matters. He is the REAL DEAL in boxing today along with Floyd Mayweather Jr and i want to see them fight. I am a Pac Man fan as well as a Floyd one so i wont pick a winner of them two. I just want to see them fight. Then maybe all these planks will stop hateing on them both and give them the credit they truley deserve.
Bwahahaha! I’d still believe BWAA.
Writer probably didnt get free tickets frm Pacman before.
Heard Floyd is giving away tickets… Only if you know where to find him, he said.
Before the fights, ‘Good big man was too much for good little man’. After the fights,big opponents became shot fighters overnight. Yes, true Pac made them ’shot’ fighters.
Before the fights, ‘Good big man was too much for good little man’. After the fights,big opponents became shot fighters overnight. Yes, true Pac made them ’shot’ fighters.
Is this writer for real? who is he trying to convince? himself or other biased, jealous and hateful folk. Esteban Garduno; Sports writing is CLEARLY not your thing, bias, prejudice, hating are qualities that will not help in your attempt to become a writer.
to roberto
pacquiao doesn’t need to fight marquez to prove himself he’s the best. even if he wins i’ll guarantee you this haters will consider marquez past his prime too he’s 36. i bet even if pac fought mosley and win they will still say he’s past his prime cause shane is 38 now. a win over mayweather is still not enough to silent this haters because they will just say his retirement affect his ability and not the same anymore or pac is on PEDS. haters will be haters they are hard to convince. its just like trying to convince an atheist to believe in god or to a believer that god doesn’t exist. you are just wasting time.
didnt mayweather fought a fat and old marquez?
so what your freaking point?
hatton is way smaller than him… so i guess they have something in common (floyd and manny) all their opponents are shot fighters.
IMO if manny stayed in lightweight, he will be the undisputed champ. as well in light welterweight.
really, i think cotto have a 30 days ahead of training compare to manny when they fought. why he still loss is because manny is much better than him
I wouldn’t say he fought SHOT fighters but he certainly got to the top of the P4P ranking by fighting guys with zero defence. The one guy who gave him a lot of trouble was Marquez, who is a defensively sound fighter. Don’t be shocked if Clottey pulls off a win against Pacquiao, his defence is very tight.
atleast he didnt fight the lightweight champ of the world while in the welterweight division. come on people this is some loser article. even the writer knows it. so stupd
Floyd fans,
Call Cotto a shot fighter or whatever. But I assure you, Mayweather will not dare fight Cotto even if he really took some beating out of his 2 losses.
what? de la hoya handpicked pacquiao? thats ridiculous. coming down to weight just to handpicked an opponent is absolutely ” ridiculous “.do you have to suffer starving yourself just to have an easy opponent? those who do not know the truth about comparing mayweather jr. and pacquiao’s prerviuos opponent, pls. try yourself to have some research before you say anything. yeah, the truth is pacquiao needs to fight marquez again to prove himself that he didnt robbed marquez. mayweather jr. fought guys who are in their prime and thats a fact. peace
great article i agree
Very good article. I agree, alot of his fights were fights that should’ve been easy fights for him.
Esteban- the name sounds like you’re a Filipino. What a shame to your parents giving you a native Filipino name but you do not act or at least write like one. Get your facts straight before you write rubbish. Out of all the boxers mentioned that Manny fought, only one was cherry picked and that was David Diaz. Well you cannot blame Pacquiao because he struggled the previous fight againsy Marquez and he was fighting the first time in the lightweight division but still Diaz was considered at least top 5 in that division at that time.
Barrera ducked Pacquiao for a rematch. Marquez did too when he fought Chris John instead of Manny. Then after Manny beat then in their respective rematches, you call them shot? YOU MUST BE CRAZY.
As for ODLH, Oscar hand picked Manny to fight him. He called the shots in that fight. The weight limit, purse split, everything. He was even quoted saying on HBO’s 24/7 that “147 lbs is my best weight” then after MP (562) 456-4511 the sh*t out of him, haters like you call Oscar a shot fighter. But nobody in the first place considered MP winning that fight.
Hatton was fought in his best fighting weight. Cotto fought Manny at a pound less (145) than Cotto’s weigh-in weight against Clottey. Enough said.
why not make your own WBAA like and make mayweather best lol
This arguments of Manny fighting shots fighter is not gonna go away until he will fight – Mayweather nobody else!
All the people that make a lot of big deal having Pacman fighting a shot fighters are the Mayweather fans – plain and simple…..!!
They are just can’t accept small….asian…small….poor guy who happen to have 7 belts in 7 divisions in AMERICA!!!
The only shot fighter Pac fought was Dela Hoya, but dela Hoya was the landslide favorite because of his size, now excuses comes up. Marquez? are you kidding me, shot? he won the lineal lightweight title and the best of the lightweight division after Pac beat him. Hatton beat Malignaggi who’s now making noise for his victory against Diaz. Hatton just doesn’t have the tools to dance with Pac. Cotto, is one of the top 2 welterweights when Pac fought him. He has a victory over Mosley, and still in around his prime.
Manny is the only fighter in boxing u can write an article like this about cuz he is the only fighter that has fought these fighters. The writer is only stating facts and opinions of other boxing observers. I have said it to everyone who could hear Manny hasn’t fight anyone in 3 fights
pacquiao is the boxer of the decade. I CAN ONLY BE ACHIEVED BY A BOXER IN TEN YEARS! THAT IS WHY MANY ARE JEALOUS! FLOYDS ACHIEVEMENT MEANS NOTHING, COMPARE TO MANNYS ACHIEVEMENT! ENVY
Why does everybody including some jealous writer has to make their weakass 2 cent on manny. Let me tell you uneducated ass people about boxing. DON’T NO ONE COME INTO A BOXING RING WITH A DISADVANTAGE. EVERY PERSON HAS 8-10 WEEKS OF TRAINING, FAIR FOR ALL FIGHTER. THOSE WHO CLAIMS THIS AND THAT HAS NOTHING TO GAIN BUT A LOSS ON THEIR RECORD FOR GETTING WOOP FAIR AND SQUARE. Now with that said, get off manny nutts, any of the fighters he fought had the same intention of winning, it just so happens that they got woop. Manny didn’t have more training then they did or any less than a chance of getting a loss. He sign these fight because they are good fights. It not like he fighting Matthew Hatton or a 2 tier fighter like Malinaggie, he fighting people who had shown the world they are worthy of fighting a Man like many and not a Boy like the 2 tier fighter making chump change to get thier face busted.
Another stupid writer from the boxing writers assoc. of america. The voting is over baby. What a sour graper.
justblazeit….i understand your frutration but you have to deal with it and move on with your life. WBAA has voted already. you can’t change that now. floyd and manny are great fighters. they have different styles. unfortunately for floyd, his style doesn’t please a lot of people. manny is the opposite. yeah…alot of people go see floyd’s fight but they want to see the other guy whip is a$$. it didn’t happen yet though. i don’t know what happen if floyd will taste defeat and still have the same marketability. manny on the other hand, i guess he maintained or improved his marketability even after the morales fight.
now watch when pac fight mosley,he going to be a boxer on the outside for a few round then trade later on the inside same as the oscar fight,he ate up oscar face from the outside ,and a few when they met up close.
hybird fighter has the best of two world.
Pac doesn’t need floyd. pac is on top. F@#k floyd demands. Floyd is like julio cesar chaves jr. unbeaten. U call that great.
told ya, was saying earlier the valero fight would be a good indicator of the floyd and manny fight,velero won a blow away,valero like pac ,are a new type of hybrid fighters,both left handed,and hard to hit, both of them are half a slugger and half and a boxer, they can jab,hook and uppercut to take you out with the same right hand,and a left as back up, both have a angle uppercut with both hands a extra surprise, a regular boxer is old school now. after the fight they say I don’t know where the punches are coming from anymore, same thing going to happen tp floyd he the last good boxer.
doesn’t care anybody else.
Just look at the three fights before Manny for all of his opponents. Cotto and ODLH and Hatton were all reported as being shot before Manny was ever even mentioned as a possible opponent. It sounds good to say they were heavy favorites, but the facts are Manny has been avoiding the best. With the exception of Marquez, he has never fought who would be considered the toughest challenge for him at the weight. And he’s continuing his pattern by picking Clottey who lost his last fight and lost every time he fought the top tier competition. Its not necessarily a boxers age, but the wear and tear of his fights. Fernando Vargas was shot @25 after one brutal beating from Trinidad.
andrew….you know why some americans doesn’t support some of the american boxers? they lack humility. they think the best ever and doesn’t about anybody else. you also have to earn their respects outside the ring.
what makes you think their shot fighters..when pacquiao fought them they were the best at their division ecept for odlh. but then it was dela hoya who chose pacquiao whom he thought is gonna be an easy way fight b4 his fight with ricky hatton. they looked like shot fighters after pacquiao beat them convincingly. its either you dont know what you write or you dont watch the fights.
Same haters that pac would have no chance at all against all of this “SHOT”fighthers. The world knows who is the best. Compare to few pachaters who only does is to discredit his success. No way in hell will we convince them that pac is the best. Pac fans let’s just enjoy what he does in the ring, knockin em all that comes pacs way. Ha
All the Pactards insist Manny was this great underdog in all his fights and proved everyone wrong. Actually, Manny was a very heavy favorite over Hatton and Cotto, because of how poor both of them looked after getting knocked out. Wowza, good to see you back spreading more lies. I know the facts don’t back your idol up, but the ones you and other Pacfans make up really do make him sound superhuman.
WOWZABEAN,
Lets call it like we see it ok the only reason PACMAN is as known as he is now is becuase he fought people right behind mayweather and won in a more impressive way (because styles make fights PBF IS counter-puncher). when manny fights its nothing but a mayweather promotion because all people are thinking about during a pacman fight is ” i wonder how he would do against floyd”. when floyd fights the just comparing him to his own fights and judging if its boring or not. without mayweather pacman wouldnt even be getting all this credit honestly. so PBF will NEVER be 2nd to MANNY. PACMAN SHOULD BE THANKING MAYWEATHER. pbf is number untill someone beats him plane and simple, TO BE THE MAN YOU HAVE TO BEAT THE MAN and the man is undefeated.
@JUSTBLAZEIT… I’m with you on supporting the American fighters… where are these people’s patriotism??? We are not the country we were when Lewis fought Schmeling… kinda sad. I’ll tell you one thing the Filipinos stand behind there man Pacquiao… and they should! The British stand behind Hatton… and they should… same to be said with the Mexican and Puerto Rican fighters… but not in America. I don’t understand it. I have nothing against the other countries by any means… but I’m proud to be American and like seeing our guys on top. The other countries should be proud to have their guys on top as well.
This is an interesting article. Let’s just face it… if Manny and Floyd both win… Manny needs to suck it up and take the blood testing and fight Floyd… if he doesn’t he can never be considered better than Floyd. Say what you want… but he has been beat and struggled with many fighters. If Floyd beats Mosley in a decisive manner many will say it’s just because Mosley is old… but that’s not what they are saying now. Floyd is the best boxer of the decade hands down. He may not have the media hype behind him right now that Pacquiao does and therefore isn’t getting the support… but he’s the better fighter. Apparently all the betting tables agree to. That’s why Floyd is and will be favored to win against Manny.
Agreed–Marquez was the best fighter Pacquiao “beat.” Larios had been knocked out in the fight prior to losing to Pacquiao. Morales had lost a whopping 75% of his previous 4 fights before losing to Pacquiao. Barrera had already taken a great deal of punishment in two wars with Morales before losing to Pacquiao the FIRST time. Diaz was not an elite fighter to begin with. Neither was Hatton (he was obviously overrated). De La Hoya was underweight, had lost 50% of his prior 4 fights, and was old. Cotto was obviously damaged goods, and they still wouldn’t fight him at 147 (if a couple pounds don’t make a difference, why were they so adamant about it??). Mosley is old, has put on questionable performances in his last several bouts, and in the low 140 pounds was very underweight and…oh wait, Pacquiao wouldn’t even fight him under those conditions–why?
Get in touch with reality–Cotto did not have a “size advantage.” Pacquiao was just as big as him, if not bigger. Same with Hatton. If you think those guys were “bigger” and “stronger” than Pacquiao, I don’t know what fights you were watching.
As for a third fight with Marquez, how convenient that if that fight ever happens, it will be at a time when Marquez has already shown wear and tear, was dominated by Mayweather, and probably at a weight that will guarantee Marquez will be at a disadvantage (he looked bloated and slow at 144). I wouldn’t be surprised if they wait until he’s 40, beat a slow bloated version of him at 147, and then say “see, it’s settled, Pacquiao was better than him all along.”
1. barrera – a shot fighter at 33
2. oscar de la hoya – a shot fighter at 35
3. ricky hatton – a shot fighter at 30 0r 31?
4. cotto – ashot fighter at 29
5. pacquiao – at 30, will he be considered a shot fighter also? or a shot fighter fighting and winning a shot fighters or let’s say after fighting those mentioned above, made them looked like a shot fighters because pacquiao made them look that way? and one more thing, it was de la hoya who chooses and convinced pacquiao to fight him and chosen the weight 147 for them to meet.
Don’t compare the results of the PBF vs DLH and the Pac vs DLH fight…PBF fought him at 154 while Pac fought him at 147…DLH weighted less than Pac at the weigh in and was only required to rehydrate 2 pounds! Pac actually weighed more coming into the fight!! There was NOOOOO weight clause in the Mayweather fight!!
If Goliath was the size as David, there will no story about it in the Bible because nothing about it will be spectacular.
Manny is now fighting people who are taller, bigger and stronger and still winning them – that makes it very spectacular.
Mayweather and Mosley are about the same size, so what’s unusual about it? Maybe both are alleged drug users–xylocain and steroids.
soon we will see the winner of the velero vs Demarco fight.its demarco the boxer vs the slugger valero,this fight would be somewhat similar to floyd vs manny.of course I pick the slugger valero,valero like pac are hybrid half boxer half slugger.regular boxer dont stand a chance ,as both of these left hand sluggers can jab double jab,and and still take you out with that right hand,with the left as back up.not even counting the angle uppercuts
also both hybrid fighters as left hander fighter ,which are harder to hit.the days of good boxer died when ali retired,sorry floyd you are in for a rude awakeing time has pass you by, since you retired.
your ass is shot……are the fighter pass their prime? nope ,the top fighter will always be better than average fighter,try to see if you can survive a 3 minute round after calling a fighter shot,your teeth would be hanging ……….
Either way, ODLH older or not, it doesn’t really matter.
ODLA vs PBF – went the distance, PBF won on points
ODLH vs Pacman – TKO 8th round
your off the boxing industry with what you wrote. “didn’t see the purpose of fighting ODLH”? didn’t you know the money and fame that this has brought in?
so you want a rule the says if a boxer gets a beating though he won the fight, he should call it quits and its the end of a career?
Where do you draw the line then?
They either became shot fighters or retired after Manny beat them up. Not before.
manny did not deserve fighter of the Decade award, NOWAY. The only reason Floyd didnt get it cause HES BLACK to be honest. before you lames start to open ya mouth, im not a black dude, but i call it AS IT IS. so its an unbiased opinion. Paq had impressive wins over beat up fighters that Mayweather already beat up xcept cotto who was dstroyed by Margarito plaster of paris. Americans need to appreciate more of their fighters. At the end of the day Floyd still a BEAST. no awards make him or break him. HE still 40-0 who is fighting a solid fighter liek Shane who is a threat. Who is PAq figthing? an unknown b-rated fighter like Clottey. BORINGGGGGGGGGGGG!
amen. wowza.
BWAA Fighter of the year.
BWAA Fighter of the Decade.
hwew.. haters. just drool over it.
btw, to all floyd fans, no need to feel that bad, floydie has the next decade for him to grab.
i salute you for THE TRUTH. you said everything i been saying for a very long time. Paq only fought washed up fithers, drained by weight Oscar, beat up cotto who hasnt been the same since plaster of paris and a overated hated beatin by maywaether, marquez figh was stolen. who has pacquiao fought thats so impressive? NOBODY? Mayweather has never ducked nobody, everybody want to fight him cause hes the big dogg. if i remember correctly, it was floyd who was calling shane, when shane ducked him. not to discredit shane cause he is a great fighter as well. unfortunetly most of the floyd hate comes form filipinos and asians who honeslty make look pacquiao legacy look bad. paq needs to just manup and take the drug test. hes is an average fighter at best but is very popular right now. there is no way he is on shane or floyds level but he do got the hype, so bigups to the promo team. i hope floyd pulls a win cause shane is also a beast. thanks for the article. let the hate begin from the little girls who worship pac nutz.
Walters!
ODH was not shot against PBF. Manny’s own trainer Freddie Roach said he was shot! I quote again Pac’s trainer, “Fresh blood, rehydrated in the dressing room that’s the wrong thing to do (I.e. Weight drained), can’t pull the trigger no more and I was right.” This is Manny’s own trainer talking. What’s wrong with you? What’s wrong with any of you that consider Pac’s win over ODH legit? His own trainer cherry picked ODH.
Place an elite fighter against a good fighter and you have the elite fighter making a good fighter look like he’s shot. ODLH
sought out Pacquiao thinking it was easy pickings. Pacquiao
is at a higher level of boxing.
You’re so pro PBF you’re attacking a fighter who has achieved 7 belts in 7 different divisions.
All of the fighters you mentioned were bigger than Pacman at the announcement of the fights.
Pacman steps up. You’re also saying ODLH was shot when he fought PBF, I dohn’t doubt that, but PBF couldn’t drop him, the fight went the distance. If PBF is soo good why could he drop an old shot ODLH?
all i what to say is 7 belts in 7 different division.
That said alot!!!
none of these fighters were shot when you predicted that they would completely dominate pacquiao.Give it up already Manuel Perez.You aren’t fooling anyone.
the first fight between pacquiao and marquez i think marquez took steroid before the fight hmmm….??? he got knocked down three times and still manage to get up as if he never felt anything.that makes me wonder, but when manny fought hatton it only took twice for manny to send hatton to the canvas
Ryan,
Get your facts straight. Mosley lost to Forrest twice. Bigger, longer reach, not shot. Lost to Winky TWICE not once, bigger, longer reach, not shot. And he was robbed against Cotto…period. No Mosley is not shot. He can box. Pac has trouble against good boxers with lateral movement who can slip punches and counter. His lost to Morales proved that and his VERY narrow if not robbery wins against Marquez prove that also. When I see Pacquio beat a good boxer like Bradley, Mosley, Mayweather, Collazo, Berto or even Malinaggi, then he can be considered great. All these face first, stand in front of you fighters are easy pickens for a good boxer like Manny. Tell your idol to step up the opposition. Don’t say he did against Cotto, defense and chin have always been suspect. As for ODH, he was so stiff, knees never bent one time the whole fight. If he fought ODH just five years ago, Pac would have been knocked out cold by his trademark lefthook. Tell him to step up the opposition. Oh yeah that’s right, he’s gonna tuck tail and run and retire this year without facing the best. You all cussed Floyd out for doing the same two years ago. I better hear that same song about Pac if he doesn’t fight the best and not just future hall of famers past their prime.
floyd mayweather should fight all of these fighters: cotto,mosley,clottey,margarito,williams,valero,and,pacman before he say that no one can beat him!!!who does he think he is anyway?just another fighter w/ too much pride in his self. these mayweather family is criminal w/ a bad reputation.they are addict,drug pusher and has a really bad image.what a shame
We should file a protest to HBO, ESPN, Sports Illustrated, Yahoo, Ring Magazine and various sports organizations including The most pretigious of them all BWAA why they chose Pacquiao as their Fighter of the Year and DECADE while fighting shot and old fighters in the last decade. They should have chosen Floyd Mayweather Jr. because he never duck anyone , not a cherrypicker and fought all comers in their prime.
I agree with most of this article. The fighters Manny beat besides Cotto and Marquez were physically and mentally drained opponents. As for Manny stopping Cotto (rather yet, the referee stopping Cotto not Manny) Cotto’s chin has been suspect since he fought at 140. That’s why he moved up thinking he would be stronger remember? He was wrong. Marquez? Beat Pac at least once, the second fight. Diaz? Bum? De La Hoya? Weight drained and I quote Freddy Roach, “Fresh blood, weight drained, can’t pull the trigger no more.” As we I keep saying, once he beats one of the best AMERICAN Jr. Welterweights or Welterweights, he is unofficial. I keep telling yall, don’t be shocked when Clottey beats him. He’s not shot, weak or 2nd rate. In my view Clottey almost beat Margarito w/an injured hand and he definitely got robbed against Cotto. Do not count this as an automatic win for Pac just yet. He still has a lot to prove.
Do you think that if Manny fought Hatton before Mayweather did, that Manny wouldn’t have won? And is your argument that there’s no way Manny could beat Cotto pre-Margarito?
What kind of hind-sight world are you living in? Manny was predicted by many to lose to ODLH, and rarely is predicted to win in the fashion he ends up winning.
Was ODLH somehow NOT shot when Floyd fought him, but he WAS shot when he trained for Manny? Was Hatton somehow much more of a champion when Floyd fought him at a higher weight than he was when Manny fought him the next year?
You guys are funny. Your definition of “shot” seems to mean, did they lose to a fighter you like more than Manny.
Mosely got whooped by Forrest twice and Winky once. He struggled against Cotto, and NARROWLY beat ODLH.
So is Mosley shot? I guess we have to wait until Floyd beats him to say that.
Oh wait, you guys don’t seem to have the same prejudice with Floyd’s opponents.
This business of “shot” is laughable.
The truth is, Manny is the best in the world by just about every non Floyd fanatic out there, beleive that.
…ryan
Don’t care what you think.
Pacquiao is the P4P king and the “fighter of the decade”.
Hey who’s this writer Esteban Garduno? … seems like he doesn’t know what’s he’s writing. Like – “I didn’t see the purpose in Pacquiao fighting De La Hoya in December 2008″ … Dela Hoya was the one who challenged Pacquiao and it was all about business … and the writer didn’t know this??? … what a smuck.
First, they were shot/washed-up fighters and then, it’s PEDs/roids. Now, it’s back to shot/washed-up fighters???…can somebody come up with something new without the use of false logic or demand of negative proof.
Yes I agree 100% that these fighters are old and big when they fought Pacquiao BUT nobody KO’s like Pacman. Tell me a fighter like Pacman.
ken d
lol. man it’s funny. klitschko?
no fighter is too good for these people. these haters are pathetic.
manny beat barrera after he beat kelly, hamed and morales, he was 30 years old hardley past it. he ko’d morales when he was 30 twice. he easy beat hatton whos only loss was to monney. he beat and drew with marquez which were questionable, but theres loads of fighters who will say they were robbed on a decision. he beat del la hoya, maybe on way down and getting old but only lost to top fighters. all theses fighters are top class. he beat the best fighters around.
everytime i see your name i already know it’s a none sense article bashing pacman you must be manuel perez hiding under different name!!
george bush, you’re saying mayweather never went up in weight and fought ppl of equal caliber? name ANY fighter that may fought that was smaller than him other than hatton and marquez. please…
If Mayweather had been one of those fighters that Pacman had beaten, for sure you will say that Mayweather had rib cage problem……he had problem with the hand……he is never the same fighter as he was before the retirement…..
and if Mosley is also one of those guys who got beat up, then you will say, Oh! Mosley is too old he can’t catch up with Pacquiao……He is never the same fighter after he got beat up by Cotto….
Seems like anything that Pacman does or fight with, You don’t like!, then who else is out there for Pacman to fight? Klitschko? lol then bring him on!
I looked up and read all the pre-fight comments about Pacquiao against all those fighters (before the fight) just to make sure……… they all said differently. Excuses excuses, all it is!
Pacquiao surpassed what was expected. He beat fighters bigger than him. and win those fights convincingly.
Oscar was the one who demanded the fight at 147. He underestimated pacquiao and thought that he can beat pacquiao at that weight. And also do you think pacquiao will move up from 135 to 154 to fight DLH? he barely made 147.
None of those guys where shot… Oscar was drained but thats it. Hatton had just beaten Paulie with ease and was the No.1, no question light welterweight. Marquez, Barrera, Diaz and Cotto where all top fighters, not too old and in no way shot.
Your deluding yourself and it is not going to convince anyone else, no matter how much you try to “back it up”. The guy ducks no-one and fights only the best that each weight has to offer. What more can he do? Seriously.
sounds like this was written by someone who lost alot of money betting against pacman on his previous fights against supposed bigger and stronger opponents…
shot fighter or not, biggter or not,stronger or not, they were still beaten.
Pacquiao is always the smaller man. Whether his opponents are shot, old, its still pretty impressive how pacquiao manage to beat them.
Critics will always find an excuse why pacquiao can beat these bigger men.
These are marquee fighters you mentioned. Uphill or downhill, it doesn’t matter. Most of the fights were lopsided for Pacquiao. Even marquez who has supposedly had a draw was knocked down 4 times.
You’d think a small guy will lose or win by points. He wins via KOs and TKOs.
He doesn’t go out calling heavy weights and middle weights for a fight because he’s not stupid. But he is still brave enough to fight bigger men.
Tell me somebody who has done what he has done. NOT MAYWEATHER – YOU MUST BE JOKING.
Id have to agree with everyoneexcept cotto. I don’t think cotto is shot I think he just is still figuring out his boxing skills and questioning himself after the margarito.
Pac fought names that yes mayweather beat. But fought names that would get him exposure w/o regard to if it was a fight that would be one sided. He choses names people knew that were easy for him
one word answer here yes two of those is pac man picking up floyds leftovers pacquiao is a fraud simple needs to fight mayweather and marquez again
the best fighter pac fought,was marqeuz
wait………..shot fighters? or PEDs? either or not both…………
nopes! he fought fighters bigger and stronger, NOT “shot” for him