Andre Ward v Allan Green: A walkover? You’re joking, right?!
February 23rd, 2010
By Daniel Ciminera: With their Super Six bout just around the corner, all I have read anywhere so far is about how the inexperienced Andre Ward (21/0) is going to tear Allan Green (29/1) to bits in even more “flamboyant fashion than he did Kessler” when they meet on the 24th of April in Oakland, California.
I sincerely hope that Ward isn’t reading this drivel and that his people are not feeding him the same rubbish. If so, then they are seriously underestimating Green. Which in my opinion, is a massive mistake which could see Ward get battered quite frankly.
If we can just put this fight into context for a moment. I was one of those expecting a good win from Kessler and I did raise an eyebrow at the way Ward stepped up. However, Kessler was not the Kessler of old. Not the pre-Calzaghe Kessler. He hadn’t fought for a year before his previous opponent Perdomo, against whom he didn’t look terrible, but definitely appeared to be rusty. Then he loses badly while looking comatose to Ward. The proof of the pudding will be Kessler v Froch. If Kessler is still looking empty and lost, then I’m afraid to say, Ward’s win against a shadow of Kessler was also empty.
Sadly for the rising star, I feel this will be the case and if he is not careful, he will become a victim of his own hype if he begins to believe it.
I’ve heard it said that Green will shy away of Ward’s power but, in my opinion, with the exception of Mikkel Kessler, Green has fought the better quality of opponent and has better power than Ward all day long, backed up by his superior knockout rate.
Green is coming in as the underdog in most people’s eyes, and this takes all the pressure off his shoulders, he doesn’t have a title or an unbeaten record to worry about losing either, which can only work in his favour. If Green can bring his A-game, then he is capable of beating the over-hyped Ward convincingly. On the other hand, as long as Ward keeps his feet on the ground and isn’t surrounded by yes-man idiots, he will be taking Green a lot more seriously than the casual boxing fan would believe, and has every chance of getting a second win.
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Ouch, sounds like you had to eat your words…this article was way off…dang.
IT was more like a crawl over. Green sucks
One thing that is being overlooked in the analysis is that Green lost to an undefeated Miranda, whilst Ward only beat him after both Pavlik and Arthur Abraham had beaten Miranda. If you watch the Miranda fight, Green basically ran out of gas, and @Oli he wasn’t knocked out, he lost on points to Miranda.
I like Ward on points, but Green at 5-1 is a great opportunity IMO and overlooks the facts.
this writer is badly mistaken but thats ok. He will one day become a fan of Andre Ward. If anything Andre is under hyped. he doesn’t do the trash talking that garners attention. He is a throw back. opposite of a mayweather. this kid is a true American Hero and one day the general public will recognize. so haters keep hating. I laugh at your ignorant comments especially the part about losing focus and him being overhyped, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! you better apologize on June 20th. you made me mad Daniel but you can redeem yourself. give the 26yr old a chance golleee.
The same Allan Green who Edison Miranda wiped out in 2 rounds? Hes right to overlook him.
Kessler vs Ward 2. In Denmark. Lets see what happens then
I agree with Daniel..
Daniel Ciminera: how would beating Kessler go to Wards head? Your talking about a man who was a Gold medalist in the olympics and has NOT Lost a fight since he was 12 years old! i don’t think you know the discipline that Andre Ward has, maybe because you have never been a fighter.
trust me, Andre Ward isn’t taking Allan Green for granted. Just because people are saying Ward is going to clean Green up, doesn’t mean Ward isn’t busting his ass right now. Taking any fighter for granted is the worst mistake you can make, and i do Not believe Andre Ward is that type of fighter. And you Mr Daniel Ciminera, are a fch, that has NEVER gotten in the ring to fight, so go talk about another sport. I fing hate boxing analyst and writers. They really have no idea about the sport or the science. The hard work that goes into the sport and science. The dedication and balls you have to have. And most of all, the intelligence. You have to be think while you fight. That is One of the things that makes Ward sooo good. He is so smart in the ring. Don’t get me wrong Green is smart too, you can’t make it as far as he has without being so f good. But i do think Andre Ward is going to win, respectively. ANDRE WARD WILL BE THE #1 POUND 4 POUND FIGHTER SOON, but it will have to wait for Pacquiao to retire, and for Ward to beat a couple more fighters JUST SO PEOPLE REALIZE HOW FG AMAZING HE WAS ALONG.
I think you should stop making excuses for kessler. If Kessler looked good in the fight right before ward and bad during and after the ward fight, it’s because he was no match for ward, ward is a fast, slick, fundamental technician who would make almost anybody look bad. I do think Green is being overlooked by the public, but I don’t beleive Ward is over hyped
Daniel,
Your right about one thing…MOST of the so called experts picked Kessler, I picked Ward. If you doubt me just google “Andre Ward will whip Mikkel Kessler”…that was the name of my article. My reasoning was pretty simple, I watched Calzaghe whup Kessler so I figured a younger active fighter like Ward could prevail. I guess we could debate all day about butts and or elbows, I just don’t believe you become a dirty fight over night. Did you consider Evander Hollyfield a dirty fighter?
Kessler will knock out Froch…
John
what does JK stand for? JoKer??
edison miranda is no slouch, he’s won 33 and got 29 of those W’s by KO. thats 78%. not even greats like calzaghe, jones jr and hopkins have that kind of knockout percentage. on top of that he’s only lost 4 times to 3 current or former world title holders. and in a division which has been arguably the most competitive and exciting since the early 80′s.
you can only look at separate fights with the same opponent to highlight strengths and weaknesses under similar circumstances. for example, ward won a technical stoppage over kessler. does that mean because kessler took calzaghe the distance, ward would beat calzaghe? no, it doesnt. miranda has a higher knockout percentage than calzaghe, hopkins and jones jr, does that mean miranda would knock them out? no, it doesnt.
these stats have their use when looing for what is good and bad about a fighter, but ultimately, it will come down to who is better on the night.
Green got OUTBOXED by pathetic Edison Miranda. Lawyered.
@john
i still dont believe i have underestimated ward. while i was indeed wrong in thinking kessler would beat him, was i really alone in thinking the world title holder would be too much for, the still inexperienced at world level, ward. most people claiming they knew ward was going to win all along are just deluding themselves.
the general feeling was that dirrell and ward were stepping up a couple of levels entering this tourney. and i know i for one, gave them immense respect for it. lets face it, in today’s climate where the 0 seems to mean more than how many wins you get. and more crucially, the quality of the names behind your wins, both of them took a huge risk on their future marketability. in actual fact, in round one, ward won a world title and dirrell very nearly joined him too. both did themselves justice against world title holders in round one and nobody can take that away from them.
though, a has been said already below, ward v kessler was determined more by what kessler didnt do, than what ward did do. some people say kessler just didnt turn up, some say ward just didnt allow him to get out of neutral, and there are those who believe it was ward’s either accidental or intentional headbutts and elbows were to blame for this failure to launch from kessler on the night.
in my opinion it was a bit of all 3. i have never said ward was a dirty fighter either, or even that he “used dirty tactics”. but, the fact remains that there were a suspicious number of head clashes initiated by wards attacks, and more elbows landed than probably every other fight that went on that night in america put together. for me this indicates that it probably was intentional.
as i have already said, if kessler performs just as badly against froch, then wards win will be devalued, regardless of kessler’s champion status going into their fight. on paper in 50 years time, it will look the way you want it to, but in reality, when we are looking at the performances in context, it sadly is not that great a win despite what was a decent performance by ward,
Daniel,
I think you did underestimate Ward in your article. First off you stated that you thought Kessler would win there fight. That sounds like underestimating to me…(“I was one of those expecting a good win from Kessler and I did raise an eyebrow at the way Ward stepped up”)…so there’s that…
Then…WHY include this line (“So, in fact, Ward beat a lost, empty Kessler by headbutting and elbowing him into a concussive state”)…in a way that line takes away from Wards victory.You’re making it sound like Ward butted Kessler on purpose…please. Andre Ward is NOT a dirty fighter and to suggest otherwise is just flat out wrong, and I think you know that. Unless you were trying to be clever…no…fell flat.
What Andre is a HUNGRY fighter. He’s unorthodox as hell, and difficult to fight. He fights a little like a pit bull mix, with the face of a choir boy…the guy is good.
The chances of him underestimating Green are basically nill, he is way to focused.
John
Well thought and well said. Though I believe Ward has the skills to beat Green, most critics are getting a bit carried away with his most recent outing. Despite the fact that Ward brought his best game to the table that night, that fight was determined less by what Ward did than by what Kessler didn’t do.
DANIEL IF YOU FOLLOWED THE CAREERS OF THESE FIGHTERS FROM THERE BEGINNINGS YOU WOULD KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT THE POSESS AS ATHLETES. ANDRE WARD HAS NEVER BEEN UNFOCUSED. SINCE HIS DAYS AS A STANDOUT AMATUER, UNTIL THIS VERY MOMENT WHICH HAS CULMINATED IN HIM BEING A WORLD CHAMPION. CHOSE YOUR WORDS CAREFULLY WHEN YOU DECIDE TO POST YOUR OPNION FOR ALL READERS TO VIEW. ANDRE WARD IS THE TRUTH AND HE WILL CONTINUE TO SHINE THROUGH HIS CAREER.
@The Great, i did look at them both against miranda, but lets face it, the only way to tell who is better is by letting them fight eachother. all that can be deduced from their respective miranda outings is who did better against miranda.
@John, i did not underestimate Ward. speaking about how good or bad Ward is, was not the purpose of what i wrote. we all know Ward is a good boxer. i was merely pointing out that nobody is giving green a shot in hell and that if Ward comes to the ring with this complacent attitude, he’s going to get hurt. as long as he takes it seriously and doesnt let beating Kessler go to his head, he will be fine.
also, i agree with you about Froch, though the evidence is against us in that his last few fights have struggled for publicity and even though this one is part of the super six, its not being televised here in the UK. he does what he does pretty well, its just boring to watch more often than not.
Ward is a dirty fighter…Ward could be over-hyped…Ward beat a Kessler shadow. Come on!!!!!! Ward is NOT a dirty fighter. He (Ward) was butted 3 times against Miranda and never complained once, he just kicked Edison’s ass. He beat Kessler to the punch all night. If anyone was over-confident, it was Kessler’s psople who thought Ward was a lightweight. Ward beat Kessler fair and square…peroid end of discussion.
I think Kessler is going to beat the…talk about over-rated… Carl Froch. Kessler could even knock him out. Froch got hell from an over the hill Taylor and was VERY lucky to get the decison against Andre Dirrell. Kessler in 10!
Andre Ward and Allan Green will be good fight, but I see Andre outworking Green and winning a decison…Ward will NOT make the mistake of underestimating Green (like the writer of this article obvioulsy did in regards to Ward!)
John
Did anyone take into account that they both fought Edison Miranda? Miranda spanked Green’s ass, but Ward owned him. Don’t sleep on Ward either people.
Very Good Article! I really hope Ward does not underestimate Green. It would be a huge mistake.
Man before the fight between Ward and Kessler everybody was on the Kessler train, but me. I was like who has he fought he fought JC who after every round just took it to another level. In my opinion he wasn’t all that to begin with, i knew SOG would out box him. Now Allen green wants a piece all i have to say how u loose a decision to Miarnda who cant box to save his life and who got out boxed by Ward man this gonna b a cake walk might even be a TKO for Ward SOG ALL DAY.
green drops ward in the 5th stops him in the 9th.
Ward whooped miranda who allan green lost to. I’m not sure who will win this. Kessler looked horrible against ward was that wards excellent skills or kessler not showing up? At any rate people should give kessler respect he was a champion and he had to go to the challangers back yard?????
Ward is focused, he’ll beat Allan Green but it won’t be a wipeout. Funny this author should have just made a comment to the other author and savied his time writing all this lol
Great article, TAKE NOTE SCOTT GILFOID!!