The Failure to Negotiate (Mayweather-Pacquiao): A tragedy for boxing or the beginning of something great?
By Kevin Fleck: March 13th 2010, the atmosphere thick with expectation, the crowd packed with the now familiar celebrity faces, the grand boxers of yesteryear and the rapturous crowd; all drowning in a concoction of pre-fight nerves, and noise not heard since the great Rumble in the Jungle, nearly half a century ago.
Maybe when people talk of boxing 20 years from now they’ll talk of Mayweather, Pacquaio and
Mosley, just maybe.
I’d imagine most boxing fans felt a great disappointment when the realisation kicked in that we wouldn’t all be treated to the eagerly anticipated bout, between the universally recognised Pound for Pound number 1 and 2 fighters respectively, Manny Pacquaio and Floyd Mayweather Jr. However, ever since Pacquiao had all but annihilated Miguel Cotto back in November of 2009 and the talk of a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight had become inevitable; there was a lingering thought of ‘what next’ which made the fight increasingly special and rare. It’s this rarity which maybe prolongs boxing, why, although not as popular as forty or even twenty years ago, the great sport still holds a place among many hearts, young and old.
I thought, well regardless of whom wins between Mayweather and Pacquaio; who does the victor fight next, most obviously the answer would have the winner of the expected Shane Mosley vs Andre Berto fight. And then what do the two losers from the bouts do – face each other in a 3rd/4th place playoff! Well that hardly seems any good for boxing, when we have three fighters considered to be pound for pound the best, fighting in the same weightclass. On the other hand I couldn’t or maybe just didn’t want to pick a winner between Mayweather and Pacquaio and maybe the judges would feel the same. The fight would more than likely be close, (unless of course a knockout decided the match up) and so a possible rematch would be on the cards. But my main concern was that we wanted the main prize too soon. In essence the saying that we are ‘trying to run before we can walk’ applies, in that we need to build up to the pinnacle, not to rush it before its time.
I know that’s what boxing is generally all about; you have a winner and a loser. Losing isn’t necessarily the end for a boxer either; otherwise we’d not have many boxers. Pacquiao has 3 losses and Mosley 5 on his record and look at their relevance right now. But this is different, because when you reach the pinnacle you can only go down.
Arguably this is, some believe the reason why the two didn’t want to fight each other, the fear of losing and so began the blame game. If you’re a Mayweather or a Pacquaio fan, you will probably have apportioned the blame to one of the fighters. I read it all, Mayweather’s ducking another big fight, he’s nothing without his unbeaten record and therefore, if a fight is dangerous he’ll make excuses and or demands to the point where a negotiation is impossible. But boxing is dangerous, all it takes is one mistake, one lucky shot and you’re out of there so isn’t every fight dangerous? I can see the point that Mayweather is riding his ‘0’ for all its worth and to an extent I would probably have done the same up to a point. But now Mayweather is wanted by the best fighters, and he has the money, the cars etc the security, and now it is time to make a lasting legacy. Leonard Ellerbe remarked during the HBO 24/7 series that, ‘Money makes sense, if a fight don’t make money then it don’t make sense’. It’s why Mayweather does want this fight because it makes sense, but it’s all in the detail and the timing could be the most important detail in the making of this superfight.
Pacquiao has also had his critics, branded a cheat for his failure to accept the proposed random blood testing up until to the fight. I really don’t think Pacquiao is a cheat unless, there is a great conspiracy to hide drug use in boxing, because although Manny became more relevant after Mayweathers brief retirement , the guy is unbeaten in 11 straight fights, what did he just decide heck I’m gonna start taking some steroids, after his defeat to Erik Morales in 2005, doubtful.
Recently Freddie Roach said of Amir Khan’s possible defence against Maidana that boxing is a business and other options maybe more sensible. You’ve got to ask, can there be a more sensible fight, a fight with such relevance and a fight which makes so much business sense at the same time as a Mayweather-Paquiao fight.
I know a lot of people in boxing hold Shane Mosley in the highest regard and the number of referrals back to his destruction of Antonio Margarito in January 2009, is not without justification – but at the same time his numbers aren’t nearly as good as Pacquiao’s or Mayweather’s and although a fight between Mosley and either of those would be riveting viewing; it doesn’t seem to have the same degree of anticipation with which a Mayweather-Pacquiao bout is met.
Nevertheless, Mosley can still play his part in our wait for the fight, which I consider to be at the pinnacle. Deals are apparently being thrashed out for a Mayweather-Mosley fight and as we know Pacquaio has a fight scheduled against Joshua Clottey for March 13th. I accept its risky to a point in that Pacquiao or Mayweather could lose their proposed bouts and all of this will seem irrelevant, it’s all a lot of if’s and buts for now – only time will truly decide, as well as increase the anticipation of possibly the greatest super fight of them all. Mayweather said the idea of America is based on two things, money and controversy. Whether you agree with that or not, in boxing that theory is almost certainly true and the failings in negotiations were definitely controversial, but doesn’t it just hype it up another level, a rare fight that will be worth the wait.
Although upon first reading it might seem silly and naive to consider this fight too rare to be rushed and fought out as we the public so demanded, the ‘bite-size culture’ with which the world has become so acclimatised to, occasionally needs to take a step back, so that on occasions we may all appreciate what is great and good in an all too often negative environment. I don’t want to start comparing the sport to a ‘great whisky’ or wine, that takes years to mature into a great, but you get the idea – the wait for the bout only further whets the appetite, even if it’s killing us all to wait, for boxing this may well be the best thing that could have happened, as the world awaits the grandest bout of them all.
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Face it Pacquiao fans. He is fighting Clottey because Clottey lost to Cotto. Pacquiao fights losers! Many other big names out there but he wont give a winner a chance. How do you lose and than get a shot a the title? Who is ranked #2,3,4,5. Pacquiao watched and reveiwed his own fights and seen he has no chance vs Mayweathers style. (Offense or defense) His basic and natural fundamental skills are not on that
MM’s level. He takes way too much damage and gets knocked down easily. What he needs to do is prove he is not cheating. Not because Mayweather says, but because once you do something -Super Human Like- winning more titles than any other person in history. You have to prove your 100% real. No running and crying and fighting other people over a drug test. Is his mind really that weak…
Mr. Fleck,
First of all, thank you for a refreshing look at this whole situation. Quite frankly, i am tired of the articles leaning towards Pacquiao or Mayweather. Your article is down the center, impartial and quite calming to the soul of boxing fans….if they were listening. Unfortunately, battalions of fans of Pacquiao and Mayweather have stormed in and not heard a word you were saying. They still continue to accuse Pacquiao of cheating, and Mayweather of being a coward.
I personally would like to blame the promoters on both sides (Top Rank and Golden Boy). But you are right. What if there is more behind the scenes than the passionate boxing fanatic could see? After the so called mega-fight, what next? What do we look forward to after these two retire? Well, at least I think Pacquiao will retire. Given his extracurricular activities in the Philippines, I give him possibly 2 to 3 more fights and he’s out. Mayweather however may still continue. He’s only fought 40 fights. Pacquiao has already fought about 55 fights. I hope and pray you are right and this is a ploy to actually boost the fame of other fighters so that after these two superstars retire, there is more boxing to be passionate about.
Whether Manny is on PED’s or not, his actions makes him LOOK guilty. Furthermore we all know a Clottey vs. Manny fight is nothing remotely close to being a mega fight. The thought of it being a mega fight is laughable. A Mosley-Mayweather fight will undoubtedly be a mega-fight. After all, didn’t you Mayweather-Hating-Fans suggest Floyd Jr. has been ducking Mosely? And aren’t you Mayweather-Hating-Fans salivating at the mouth to see Floyd Jr. lose or more importantly get knocked out? OF COURSE YOU GUYS DO!
And this is why Mayweather will ultimately always get what he wants….. A HUGE PAY CHECK! For Manny on the other hand we all know this will not be the case. Manny who plays David needs a Goliath, a big or bad guy, especially someone who is despised enough to paint an accurate picture of his portrayal, a small guy/good guy. The numbers will ultimately prove who can draw the most viewers. One thing for sure, no one really cares for a Clottey-Pacman fight, will I watch it? Maybe, but I tell you what, I’ll definitely be tuned in for the Mayweather-Mosely fight! And you so-called boxing fans will too!
Whether Manny is on PED’s or not, his actions makes him LOOK guilty. Furthermore we all know a Clottey vs. Manny fight is nothing remotely close to being a mega fight. The thought of it being a mega fight is laughable. A Mosley-Mayweather fight will undoubtedly be a mega-fight. After all, didn’t you Mayweather-Hating-Fans suggest Floyd Jr. has been ducking Mosely? And aren’t you Mayweather-Hating-Fans salivating at the mouth to see Floyd Jr. lose or more importantly get knocked out? OF COURSE YOU GUYS DO!
And this is why Mayweather will ultimately always get what he wants….. A HUGE PAY CHECK! For Manny on the other hand we all know this will not be the case. Manny who plays David needs a Goliath, a big or bad guy, especially someone who is despised enough to paint an accurate picture of his portrayal, a small guy/good guy. The numbers will ultimately prove who can draw the most viewers. One thing for sure, no one really cares for a Clottey-Pacman fight, will I watch it? Maybe, but I tell you what, I’ll definitely be tuned in for the Mayweather-Mosely fight! And you guys will too!
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Les, know your facts. Mosely wasn’t available when Pac Clottey was made. If he was, we would be looking at Pac Mosely now instead of Pac Clottey. Personally I think Clottey will be tougher fight for Pac anyway.
I think Kevin Riley summed it up beautifully. Go Kevin!
If the new technology just came out that makes urine testing able to detect EVERYTHING THAT BLOOD TESTING CAN DETECT AND MORE, then that obliterates all arguments for (invasive) blood testing from here on. Pacquiao has no problem with infinite random urine test right up until his walk into the ring. It is the invasiveness of blood tests that are the problem and now, with this new technology, uncalled for. If this new technology is true, it changes everything. Urine testing. As many as you want, as random as you want. No more talk of needles or invasive blood tests again. Can someone verify the validity of this new technology so we can stop all this crap about blood testing anymore?
Mayweather-Mosley and Pacquiao-Clottey. Thats all anyone needs to know to know who’s scared and ducking the best.
What id like to know is this – Is it only American Boxing fans who think that Mayweather was right to demand all this stuff and Pacman was wrong to refuse it and demand to stick to the rules the rest of the boxing world are always happy to follow?
The split in opinions is amazing cuz i just cant see both sides of the argument. Mayweather wanted Pacman to do something that has hindered him before and wants him to be hindered again or the fights off. Just makes Mayweather look like a chicken to me.
All I want to knows is, Why cant your guy take the Random Drug test? Its easy!!!!Plus you get $30 million after. What is so hard about that. Little blood, Big Money. What do you have to lose? Your Rep? Maybe if you fail….$30,000,000 My wife would kill me!!!!!!
don’t make boxing complicated…let the regulatory commission do their job…let the promoters do their job…let the fighters do their job and let the fans enjoy the fight…
I don’t regret if Manny has different opponent other than Mayweather. My thoughts iis that the match between Pacquiao will never happen. Pacquiao’s fight is always a draw. His match with Clottey will be a record breaking one. His next fight will be with Amir Khan and will be called super-mega. Next will be his match with Margarito and that will be Mega-Mega. He don’t need Mayweather, coz after that He will get a match with Foreman for his 8th belt. So, to me, Mayweather is no longer on his list. Same with Bob Arum’s list… Mayweather will just be a good blog topic and NOTHING ELSE,
Highlighting KFC’s COWARD nature is nothing but success in the sport of boxing.
The fans are finally able to decypher who and what Floyd is really made of,…. we all know what that is.
Very well written article! Bravo!
I’m willing to wait for the Floyd – Manny fight. In the meantime, I’ll still watch other fights.
I don’t regret if Manny has different opponent other than Mayweather. My thoughts iis that the match between Pacquiao will never happen. Pacquiao’s fight is always a draw. His match with Clottey will be a record breaking one. His next fight will be with Amir Khan and will be called super-mega. Next will be his match with Margarito and that will be Mega-Mega. He don’t need Mayweather, coz after that He will get a match with Foreman for his 8th belt. So, to me, Mayweather is no longer on his list. Same with Bob Arum’s list… Mayweather will just be a good blog topic and NOTHING ELSE,
How much longer are people going to keep CRYING & Talking over the Manny Pac vs Floyd Mayweather?!!
It’s stupid, now after so many weeks (everyday the same $h!t-talk). Time to MOVE ON!.. to the bigger and better things!.. Stop torturing yourselfs.. Mayweather & Mosely will be just as good! But the best fight that can be made (not from a purse stand point, but for straight action)is Manny Pac vs Shane Mosley! I don’t care how old you think Mosley is.. He has heart, determination, descent speed, & power in both hands. That’s why it would be a better fight to watch, if Mosley was fighting Pac-man, because they both come to through lots of hard punches. On the other hand.. you have Mayweather who only fights “one minute” of each round, and rest the other 2 minutes of every round, which is why people say he is a boring fighter. At the same time in saying that, he is a good boxer (not fun to watch, though. Recent Example: Floyd vs Juan Marqueze – a good fight to fall asleep to.
i agree fm vs manny will happen late this year or beginning 2011
…I thought mayweather was announcing his next fight this week, whats holding him up this time?
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Mayweather is trapped and in a corner. By unexpected tragedy in Haiti, Berto needed to pull out understandably. And suddenly, Mosley is available and everybody is demanding that Mayweather fight Mosley. Now he is trapped.
So it’s taking him days and days to figure out how to wiggle out of this fight, what excuse to make, how to destroy the character of Mosley so he Mosley backs out of the negotiation (just like what he did to Pacquiao). This fight is never gonna happen. Mayweather will find a way to wiggle out of this. He has been doing it for the last 5 yrs he was in the welterweight division. Remember right after the JMM fight, Mosley went up the ring, called him out and insulted him in front of the TV? What did Mayweather said? He just mumbled and mumbled that Mosley was disrepecting him. He did not say YES, I’LL FIGHT YOU!!
“Floyd can’t beat Manny”
Yeah. Sure sounds crazy.
Kevin,
You can find something believable about the notion that Mayweather engineered some well thought out conspiracy to negotiate his way out of fighting Pacquiao? But you see nothing suspicious about the fact that Pacquiao refuses to submit himself to random blood testing? Not even with a 14 day cut off. Is there a single precedent for Mayweather negotiating his way out of fights that would lead to the creation of this conspiracy theory. Mayweather seemed to have wanted to make the fight happen while Pacquia and his entire team have seemed to have been looking for a way out from the very beginning.
“Floyd can’t Manny”
Yeah. Sure does sound crazy.
If the Las Vegas Commission gets stricter and changes it rules to reguire all fighter s in championship fights to do random blood tests than Manny will never fight in Las Vegas again.
He is establishing his second home in Texas.
I repeat. it is a tradgedy for boxing, its the start of nothing new other than my mind being made up about what a chicken Mayweather is.
As far as Pacquiao is concerned he tried but theres plenty of other good boxers for Paquiao to take on, Clottey being the 1st of them.
As far as Mayweather is concerned its more of the same, he will mess everybody about and talk utter jibberish and who ever he faces (and it wont be anybody dangerous) i will be hoping to finally see him get his face smashed in.
i totally agree ron, styles make fights, thats why i love boxing, anything can happen!
he’s still thinking of a way not to fight mosley.
I thought mayweather was announcing his next fight this week, whats holding him up this time?
it is a tradgedy for boxing, its the start of nothing new other than my mind being made up about what a chicken Mayweather is.
As far as Pacquiao is concerned he tried but theres plenty of other good boxers for Paquiao to take on, Clottey being the 1st of them.
As far as Mayweather is concerned its more of the same, he will mess everybody about and talk utter jibberish and who ever he faces (and it wont be anybody dangerous) i will be hoping to finally see him get his face smashed in.
i agree…what are you talking about? Are you suggesting the spectre of this fight is like wine or whiskey–will get better with age? Huh?
Mosley cant beat floyd
Floyd cant beat Manny
Manny cant beat Mosley
Mosley was beat by Cotto
Cotto was beat by Manny
and Clottey lost to Cotto
but Clottey would beat Mosley
It sounds crazy but this is how boxing is. Styles make fights.