Roach thinks that Mayweather is scared of Pacquiao
January 26th, 2010
By Dave Lahr: Freddie Roach, the trainer of Manny Pacquiao, says that he thinks that Floyd Mayweather Jr. is afraid of Pacquiao. In an article at The Telegraph, Roach says “I’m convinced the more I at this that they [Mayweather and his team] are scared to fight us.” Roach may be seeing things through his distorted prism, because Mayweather has made it clear all he wants is random blood tests to take place before he fights Pacquiao. I don’t see how that translates into Mayweather being afraid to fight Pacquiao.
I suppose there was a little fear behind that, but I don’t think Mayweather is just afraid to fight Pacquiao. If Pacquiao agreed Mayweather demands of blood testing all the way up to 14 days before the fight, I have no doubts that Mayweather would then take the fight with Pacquiao. Mayweather wants this fight. This will give him a huge payday of $40 million possibly, and he could then retire again if he wants.
Roach says “What I don’t like in this fight not happening is that both parties will lose a lot of fans. People are fickle. I want this fight to happen. I want to be the first one to beat Mayweather. If they don’t fight each other, there is a hole missing in the big picture.” I agree. Boxing fans will be turned off towards both fighters if this fight doesn’t come off.
Plus, a great deal of potential boxing fans will be lost as well. We’re talking about fans that have yet to discover who Pacquiao and Mayweather is. If this fight doesn’t happen, they won’t be able to learn about them and it will be a lost opportunity for each of them. This is why Roach needs to make a big effort to get Pacquiao to try and meet Mayweather half way in the negotiation process.
In some cases, Roach seems to take a hard line stance towards Mayweather and you have to wonder whether this is rubbing off on Pacquiao. That certainly can’t be helping. To make the negotiation work, you need to have some cooler heads in there that are willing to work on bridging the distance between the two of them and not give ultimatums.
I personally thought that the initial negotiations were done poorly from what I read about them. I thought it could have been worked out if they had stayed at it and kept at it. Instead, we have Pacquiao fighting Joshua Clottey at the Dallas Cowboy stadium instead of Mayweather. That’s cool if that’s what they want, but it sure hasn’t please too boxing fans who were hoping to see Pacquiao fight Mayweather. Pacquiao may end up getting beaten up this fight and for what?
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Last comment. IF, in fact, it is true that there is a new urine test that has just come out that will DETECT EVERYTHING THAT A BLOOD TEST WILL DETECH AND THEN SOME AND EVEN DO IT WITH A HIGHER DEGREE OF SENSITIVITY AND ACCURACY THAN A BLOOD TEST WILL, then we can completely put this blood test debate to sleep, RIGHT??? Pac’s reluctance to take the blood test is two fold. One the current pound for pound champ and official ww champ should not be dictated to by the former pound for pound champ and current ww contender. and TWO is that the blood tests are invasive and can interfere with his training and he should not be made to go into the ring that night at anything less than 100% for the biggest fight of his life. He also is entitled to a “level playing field”. Does anyone really think that if this new technologically advanced urine test is out there that will obviate any more invasive, hypodermic needle blood testing, that will detect everything that blood testing would and then some, that Pac would all of sudden refuse the random and unlimited urine testing? Of course he wouldn’t. May could remove the toilet in the gym and make him pee into a cup everytime he went to the bathroom and it would be no problem. The only reason we are all here is because blood tests are invasive and urine tests are not. Hell I am sure Pac would have no problem with unlimited random hair follicle testing either.Verify the effectiveness of this new technologically advanced urine test, make that the standard, and make the fight. Then what would be May’s excuse?
By the way, why does everyone, including the author of this article, keep saying they were only 10 days apart? They were NEVER only 10 days apart. May’s 14 days meant blood tests up until 14 days out that were both RANDOM AND UNLIMITED. Pac NEVER agreed to either random or unlimited. He wanted one test at press conference, one test 30 days out and a third and final test immediately after the fight. Of course unlimited random urine tests at any time since those tests were non invasive and hence would not interfere with his training as the random and unlimited blood tests invariably would have. He ageed in mediation to move the second test, the one 30 days out, to 24 days. But still, Pac’s 24 days involved 3 specific NON RANDOM blood tests whereas May’s 14 days were RANDOM and UNLIMITED. They were NEVER only 10 days apart. Hello??
eagleeyed, well said. This has nothing to do with bloodtesting. May sees Pac as a real threat to his precious “0″ and is looking for a dignified way out. Considering the public demand, he HAD to technically agree in public to take this fight. Had Pac agreed, he would have sufferd some “injury” during training. No way he fights Pac. I don’t thing the fight happens….ever. Hope I am wrong on this one. And is Oscar De La Hoya, the most annoying human being on the planet? He writes that he thinks the fight will happen because he thinks the public will demand that Pac give in and take the test. Geez, Oscar. You there is another side to that issue. Why don’t you say that you think the fight will happen because you think the public will demand that May drop his ridiculous (AND UNPRECEDENTED IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING) demand to circumvent the NSAC, which governs this fight since it is in Nevada, and to stop making excuses and just sign the contract and fight. He is taking the test right after the fight anyway, so what is the problem? Anything he is taking will show up in that test. End of story. Plus new technologies in urine testing that has just come out NOW WILL DETECT EVERYTHING THAT A BLOOD TEST WILL AND DO IT WITH MORE ACCURACY. It is not just a simple blood test. It is unlimited, as well as random. If it makes Pac weak for 3 days after each test and you test him every 3 days or even more, how the hell can he be expected to have an effective training camp. Who is Mayweather to impose this handicap on Pac? Yeah I know. May will take the same tests. Yada yada yada. But it does not bother May. It does bother Pac so even though they are doing the same exact tests , it is not the same thing because of this difference and May is exploiting that diff. His 40-0 that he is coveting is worthless since it is now becoming painfully obvious that he will never take any fights that will risk his precious “0″. He should have stayed retired.
I use to like PBF because he was all about money
but he turn down 40 mil.
He is not Money May anymore. He lost it.
Bankrupt May????????????????
Old $kool Playa I agree with you totally on this one…….
trueboxfan, my point was its hard to say your the G.O.A.T. just because you have great hand speed and good defense. Sure pbfs hand speed is phenomenal, but its not exponentially faster than Manny or many others. his defense looks great against featherweights/lightweights, but for me its suspect against bigger and stronger opponents as the judah, oscar fights showed. in my opinion until he proves himself at ww against real top contenders that ARE MISSING from his resume, i am to believe that Pacman, Cotto and Mosley would bully him and most likely get a KO (as likely as him getting a close decision). because he is so suspect at the heavier weight, i also would give margarito and clottey a good shot of catching him. sure he may be winning these fights, but it only takes one punch ala chavez/taylor. until pbf proves me wrong, i think most top ww’s will walk him down, show him NO RESPECT (they know he cannot hurt any of them) and whoever can sustain pressure will make him crumble. i have always maintained that i feel judah and oscar are to blame for pbf being cautios. he realized he cannot hurt ww’s and winning close decisions were getting tougher. he knew oscar showed the gameplan to beat him and he really cant do anything about it against ww’s who have sufficient speed, but more importantly much bigger punches.
@King,
What do you mean no Paul Williams? Williams was never in the running to fight either Mayweather or Pacquioa. Your talking out of the side of your neck.
mayweather is scared of pacquiao just like amir khan is scared of marcos maidana
@Chris
Only when they actually get to the ring will they only then have any gross of any sort.
Until then….. mmmm…..
U guys are all a bunch of idiots both of these p***ies are afraid of each other. If pacman isn’t afraid of pbf he would go ahead and take the drug tests and prove to pbf that he does not do steroids and if pbf isn’t afraid of pacman he would go ahead and fight him without doing the random tests and finally prove to everyone that he is the best as he claims.
@chris jr
Why u gotta bring race into this?
@Chris
Mosley fight signed yet?
wow 215 responses! Congratulations. Just goes to show, people are still very much interested in Pacquiao vs Mayweather. But is Mayweather really interested in fighting Pacquiao?
For all u people sayin pac walk away from 40 mil . Man do you know how much a dollar is in the islands almost 40 pesos times dat wit a million dollars .man hes already a billionaire over there. He dont need floyd
Best fighter in the world!! Joe calzaghe 46-0 beat that mayweather
After everything has been agreed upon. Mayweather says” you need take a random bloodtesr” sounds scaaared to me
I actually spent so much time reading all the posts, God I’m pathetic, to think I’m suppose to be doing some work. LOL.
@Old skool and truboxingfan
Thank you for intelligent exchanges, it made the painfull comment reading worth it.
Just my 2 cents of the drug allegation argument:
- Some drugs can be flushed out in a matter of hours – FACT
- The above statement is the reason why some people (mainly mayweather fans) argue that the test after the fight is not good enough – FACT
- But with the first statement, be it 24 or 14 days doesn’t really make a difference (can you people see it now) at all – FACT
- So if Mayweather is suspicious of Manny, he’s stand should only ever be Random Blood testing (with no schedule) or no fight. Because for him to try and offer 14 days cut off still doesn’t really solve the problem.
And for people that keeps saying that 14 days should be enough to recover before the fight if Manny feels weakend:
- How about ask what those 10 days of feeling weak can do to his training and preparation, maybe that could somehow paint a better picture in your head.
And for the peopl who keeps saying Manny walked away from $40m:
- Again I’ve said this so many times, if you haven’t lived in a country where Manny grew up, you will never understand what it is and how much it is worth. I certainly for 1 would walk away from that same amount of money even knowing that I don’t have even a grand in my bank account if I know I would be selling my dignity and pride. And I’m saying this because I grew up in the same poor country as Manny although I’m in Australia now. So if I live with a principle and would walk away from that kind of money, Manny can and easily would because he’s already got all the money he needs to live a life time probably 20 folds considering he gets to spend all that money in the philippines.
Stop the Yapping already. No matter how many insults you throw out there, Pac and May are not going to fight on March 13.
But lets face it, the only reason why we give a damn about this is because we want to see MAYWEATHER KNOCKED-OUT.
SO PLEASE SAVE YOUR INSULTS.
It’s pathetic to see floyd has only a handful of idiot fans that are just getting more desperate everyday,.. a testament of his failing boxing carrer.
KING,
It’s about dollars and cents… Money May is not gonna fight those hard good risky less known opponents for far less money than he would have got if Pac Man agreed to the test. That doesn’t make cents…
It’s better for him to take an easy fight and then try to re-negotiate for a big money fight with Pac Man if Pac Man wins against Clottey.. Now that makes dollars…….
It is funny when Mayfeather fans telling people Pacquiao did not want to fight Mayweather and ducking him. Hahahaha. What a bunch of idiots. Just look at your idol. Fighting JMM who had to go up 2 weight classes, then cheating him more by going over-weight inspite of the fact that Mayweather already had the advantage of reach, speed, height and age. Mayweather has been in the welterweight division for the last 5 yrs, but who has he fought in that division in the last 5 yrs? Did he fight cotto, margarito, mosley, etc? Instead of fighting them, he retires suddenly..and then he waited and waited while the best fought each other and Suddenly, he UNRETIRES. What a smart alec! He says he is the BEST. But what his moron brain does not realize is that TO BE THE BEST, ONE HAS TO FIGHT THE BEST. Americans have been fooled for a long time by this idiot. But the boxing community outside the US will not be fooled. We know him…we know his character. He is a coward, period.
You know what? Until Floyd fights Mosley you guys shouldn’t say anything about Pac. You have no argument as to Floyd not running. If you do, it holds as much weight as a feather. First no Manny fight. than no Paul Williams. so far, no Mosley. are you serious??? who is he gonna fight Malignaggi? Campbell?? HES RUNNING! there’s no way to defend him. That’s the truth.
Old $kool Playa let me ask you something..Was Roger Federer ever suspected of using steroids?
Does he take USADA tests to clear suspictions or because he pratices sportmanship, to let his competition know he is clean, and to be allowed the same courtesy by his competion?
It’s not about the Mayweathers. It’s about Manny…not taking the tests and coming up with lame excuses..contradictions ..and more lame excuses…
Freddy Roach is dead wrong… If anybody’s scarred it’s his fighter Pac Man…. Pac Man is afraid to fight Floyd without the roids… He knows he can’t stand up to Money May without the steroids in his system…. Everybody knows that!!!!! Money May is one of the all time greats…. Pac Man is one of the all time greatest cheats in the history of the sport!!!!!!!
the problem is not what any of mayweathers has to say, the problem is manny’s refusal to agree to random tests even with a 2 week cutoff. There is simply no reasonable explanation for this other than he has something to hide.
Tygart USADA on their tests; “it’s a slight inconvenience that 3,000-plus athletes, 365 days a year, 24 hours a day, seven days a week — including holidays — whole-heartedly agreed to because they know that that slight inconvenience is worth the benefit of having all of the competitors tested by an effective program”.
we have not heard much from the maywearthers’ on the mosley opportunity, this will give him a point on the abandoned fight with pacman. why so quiet? where’s the mouth, i remember there was some disrespect that went here.
until we see the mosley fight then the credibility swings back to the pacman camp
it has been weeks now since that first good news for a match fight ( remember mosley is reaching his 40s soon)
Roger Mayweather on Manny, ” That mother****** is on A-side meth,”
I think Floyd have to fight Mosley or Maybe Paul Williams. He has no choice…Mosley will give Floyd leverage against future oppponents…if not money..lol..that will have to do…Plus Floyd can make more money fighting Mosley than Pacman can make fighting Clottey…If Pac is guaranteed 12M, floyd would have to be guaranteed 15M to fight Mosley..a bigger name and better fighter.
Who says Floyd would make 10M fighting Mosley? that’s a lie…
If Floyd walked out on Oscar for a second fight and 20M, why would he fight Manny, unless…Manny loses his fears of USADA and take their Olympic Style drug tests..that’s a big if for Manny…
Freddy can say whatever he likes, but I watched the interview and I have read many of his interviews over the past few days he has given and in none of these interviews did he ever say that they agreed to 5 days or 3 days out or even 14days. He just keep saying Mayweather is scared. Go look at Pacquiao interview here on e s p n boxing and look at the top videos. When asked why he won’t take the test he talks about the day of the fight, when asked he about the 14days, he dances around it and never answers, says it affects his heavy training. So he never agreed to 14 days!!!
Floyd is not the police..but then again he is the one getting in the ring with Manny.
Boxing is an individual sport bound by a contract b/t the fighters involved. Anything can be negotiated as long as it’s legal. The commission had the on rules to protect the fighters also.
The case of Manny vs Floyd is a situation for Floyd wants the fight, but is concerned about Manny taking steroids. He did not accused Manny of taking steroids, but simply as stated in the original contract wanted both (Manny and Himself) to follow WADA and USADA Olympic style testing.
Manny will never win a lawsuit. Floyd himself volunteered to be tested also.
Manny and his camp were the one who escalated the wholw thing with so many excuses which BTW were very contradictive of one another.
Roach still running his mouth when instead he should be focused on Clottey. He still calling Floyd a coward as if he could back it up.
Old $kool Playa
Again, I love both Floyd and Pac as fighters. As human beings, i cant say, i dont know them. But I do think that Floyd kinda dug his own grave with how people just cant stand him. He choose the role of villan, and it did help generate him a lot of money. But with comes with that is some folk thats going to end up really disliking you. I agree, its like that old saying, if you cant take the heat, get out the kitchen. Floyd, in a way, doesnt have anybody to blame but himself. But I also dont believe he should be talked about as badly as he is talked about. I honestly cant give a fair assesment on Willie Pep. Most of his fights were not televised/recorded. But out of the maybe 10-15 fights that I did see of him, I really didnt see anything THAT special, I seen a shyt load of docs, but you know that can be misleading without watching the full fights. Thats kinda being hard on Floyd on what you said about the combinations, you think? I mean its only so many combinations in boxing you can throw before you end up doing some that others did. I dont think its nobody in the game right now that has thrown a “new” combination. The sweet science is waaay too old. Who do you think would’ve knock out Mayweather that Cotto fought? besides Manny, I’m guessing.
It’s about Mayweather and Arums nasty relationship. They both hated each other for many years now, personal feelings took over from their professionalism. That difinitely killed the negotiations or just made it more impossible. Both sides thinks their prides are being attacked. This is the problem of boxing today.
Fans wants the Pacquio-Mayweather match as soon as possible, but the boxing politics are making it impossible, very sad!!
It’s all good for Pacquiao not fighting Mayweather. It gives Mayweather in nowhere land if he wants to risk his record with other fighters where he will get paid less. I think it benefited Pacquiao for taking Clottey as the substitute of Mayweather. Not only they are fighting in the biggest arena Pacquiao will attract more new boxing fans. I don’t know what is next to Mayweather until now he haven’t decide his next opponent. I hope he’ll agree to fight Mosley????
Floydocaine,
Please don’t just make stuff up, Top Rank and Manny never agreed on the 14day cutoff, EVER. You just making stuff up and its not necessary. Both fighters are to blame, but still there is no VALID reason a clean fighter would refuse to take a test 14 days out. It just looks suspicious, regardless of what us fans think and regardless of what people like you make up in your head. Roach said before any negotiations that Manny would take any test, then they balked on that and countered with 30 days. Before arbitration, Mayweather put out the 14day cut off, effectively nixing his random test all the way up to the fight. Manny countered with 24 days, but Mayweather stood hard on the 14 day. Arum said the fight is off and signed PAC to fight Clottey the next day. The random blood test stipulation was IN THE CONTRACT that Arum presented to Pacman on day 1.
If it’s good enough for Roger Fededer “the greatest tennis player of all time” than it’s good enough for Manny.
Many fans fail to understand that the great amount of money involved in sports today makes many athletes cheaters.
Many will take steroids to separate themselves from the rests.. It’s human nature..
In the Olympics there is less money involved, yet many ahtletes cheat. Image if all pro sports were subject to WADA and USADA tests. Most teams would end up without a roster…
By Pacquiao agreeing to take the blood test 24 days before the fight that squashes the whole arguement of the test not being required, becasue by agreeing to that he is saying its ok, so the problem is not the blood test but the timing of it.So why do these clowns here continue to argue that its not required by the commision?
The real arguement is why 24 days instead of 14?
At the end of the day I can understand that blood testing is not part of what the commision requires, but no clean individual would turn down an extra test. I understand that Paquiao gets weak from his blood being taken, but is 14 days not long enough to recover? And last accusing someone of molesting children and making them take a test to prove their innocence is not the same as asking someone to take the same blood test you would be required to take before engaging in a boxing match.
mayweather is just a lil b**** that tries to fight according to his own rules. if he wanted the fight, he would have agreed to pac conceding to blood tests. he’s already meeting him halfway. he did not have to agree to any tests, period, because these are not even required. why does he have to set the precedent when it’s never been done before. it the commission required it, this would not be an issue. bottom line is that mayweather knew that if he set his own requirements for blood testing and pac denied, then it would bring about all these questions about pac doping, which is BS. he just wanted an out, plain and simple.
To everyone that does not seem to let this issue go …. move on .. there is life after this ….
If somebody accuse all of us here that we are all bigot, racist, rapist, child molester and anything as horrible as you can imagine … WITHOUT ANY REASONABLE GROUNDS AND IS NOT BACK UP BY FACTS … NOT JUST ASSUMPTIONS OR HUNCH would anybody here take it likely and just go ahead and prove it to the accuser that they are innocent?
I guess nobody would … you might even say who the hell are you to accuse me of such horrible things … do you have any proof? If you have proof take me to court…
The feels the weight of USADA or WADA proving him to be a cheat. Manny fears being caught.
Manny fears no man b/c he knows that he has an advantage…the JUICE…
BNB,
Very good post if you take your bias out of it. I can’t call Pacman a cheat until he is actually caught cheating. Unfortunately, there are no state boxing commissions that test according to WADA and will even pay for the Urine EPO test. The test is about $400 per test as oppose to a basic $30 test they do currently, and that’s just the urine test. Taking blood will cost a bit more, but still is pennies compared to what the commissions make on each and every fight they sanction. While his not taking the test will cast a shadow with some people, calling him a cheat without proof is not fair.
If I am Clottey, I would juice too, to even the playing field.
Many cheaters had sued USADA and WADA and none have ever won a lawsuit…
These are evolving tests…they try to keep up with the cheaters.
Commission tests are a joke…
The Pacman is a cheat. He’s afraid of USADA and WADA and all agencies related to them. To every lab accreditet by those aforementioned.
Mosley vs Floyd will fight under WADA and USADA doper rules. They will start cleaning up boxing. There are many cheats. Pacman is just the most noticeable.
Pacman would have taken the fight against Floyd if he knew he was clean. He just doesn’t think he can pass USADA tests.
Federer is the greatest tennis player ever, known around the world, more famous than Pacman. He welcomes USADA and WADA tests b/c he know he had nothing to hide. It’s not about principle. It’s about proving the doubters and the competition that you are cleaned.
This won’t go away. It will cast doubts in Pacman’s acomplishments.
To me he is hiding something. Every fighter who is putting his life on the line should demand USADA or WADA type tests.
Any fan who cares about sports and fair competion should demand the most advanced and respected agencies to
conduct the tests.
Why can’t people just have civilized discussions? What’s with the name calling and stuff? Are some of yall getting paid to post your bias comments for either fighter? WOW, I can’t believe that 2 weeks later and people are still up in arms about this fight. Both camps have to share the responsibility of not getting the fight done. Trust me, Bob Arum nor GBP cares much about what yall are saying in here. Besides, Arum is making sure to keep all the money within Top Rank, and now GBP is doing the same by matching fighter with fighters that only they promote.
hey , old school you are a great WRITER ill give you that !! if i had the brains you have i sure wouldnt waste all my time here!!
Manny personally feels the entire weight of his country. He feels deeply hurt when his hard work and his integrity is being questioned. Suspicion is accusation and this has tarnished Manny’s reputation that is why its not about the cut off date anymore ( which Manny’s camp is negotiating ). For Manny, apologize first before negotiations. I don’t think Manny’s camp can persuade him to negotiate without the Mayweather apologizing first. It’s a matter of honor and many people do not begin to understand what that means. To many, walking away from 40 million is inconceievable. To Manny, it is not. For those people who keeps shaking their heads trying to understand this, you will never be able to understand.
Hi Larsweather.
Keep up the defense you give to Floyd Jr. Who knows someone will finally understand what your talking about.
To DFWboxingFan- I agree that both of them can take some blame but if you think about it, the blame has to be more on MANNY. If you were MAYWEATHER, would you fight if you suspected your opponent was juicing up. Also, did you know that at the time James Toney was busted for juicing, he was being trained by Freddie Roach. Look it up. It’s true! I admit that I am a big Floyd fan but if MANNY agrees to the tests and beats him, I’ll say MANNY is the man, guaranteed. Until then, I will continue to believe that he’s a scam because, his trainer has previously been linked to a cheaper and now MANNY won’t agree to OLYMPIC STYLE TESTING.
Now, I’m a true BOXING fan, and I know that both sides need to be admonished for not making this fight. I will even put that it is more on Floyd’s demand that killed the fight. What I can’t reconcile in my own brain is why if someone is clean and there is ANY doubt in ANYBODY’S mind that he is not clean, why not take the test, especially since before the arbitration meeting took place, Floyd’s camp said lets cut the 30 days in half and do 14. More than enough time to recover from whatever PAC felt would weaken him. PLEASE anyone one with an ounce of intelligence and without calling names, explain this to me. Please don’t reply with these aren’t the rules, or he never asked anyone else, or there is no proof he is on PEDs, or even he NEVER failed a test before. Just to let you ALL know, NO COMMISSION current test urine for EPO!!
The Boxing Commission’s testing is a JOKE!! Shane Mosley passed every urine test but yet he admitted to using THE CREAM (A STEROID). Come on now! If MANNY is clean he’ll agree to OLYMPIC STYLE TESTING! ROACH and ARUM both benefit from MANNY winning, so you can’t believe anything they sat. I WILL BELIEVE THE TEST RESULTS! No excuses. If he agrees to the tests and beats MAYWEATHER, I WILL AGREE THAT HE IS THE MAN. Until then, he is ONLY A SCAM and MAYWEATHER IS THE TRUE P4P KING!
The only thing I can say to this article is ” PBF if you are really not making excuses to fight Manny and you really want a fair fight but for whatever reason Manny’s decision is based on superstitious belief, physical metabolism, psychological disorder, arrogance, pride/principle or even guilt …. a decision has been made , lets move on and Please fight Mosley there is no excuse not to if the news going around the net is true.
This will help dispel accusation that you really are not interested in fighting Manny. The pay may not be enough but the endorsements and prestige that comes after you beat Mosley is ten times what you’ll get from this fight and after.
Let’s show the world you are what you say you are if not… I rest my case and everybody elses.
Old $kool Playa,
Your argument is flawed. You accused and made a verdict. There is only an accusation of PAC using PEDs, there is no one that has given a verdict and pronounced him guilty. While some FMJ fans may make that mistake, he is not guilty. So to say an officer can ACCUSE you and determine you GUILTY without any evidence is truly ludacris!!
Mayweather’s true intention on insisting for blood test up to 14 days before the fight is to allow manny only two weeks of quality training knowing the psycological effect of blood draw on manny. He wants this advantage just like the cheat he did to marquez on weight.
freddy roach has been giving the same interview for the last month. something else please
Take the tests!!
Old $kool Playa
Got’cha, I understand. You saying you like the fun in sports trash talking explains it all…LOL!!!
Dave, I agree with you that Mayweather is not afraid to fight Pacquiao. Contrary to Roach’s belief, I believe that Mayweather is confident that he can beat Pacquiao fairly easily. This confidence is probably justifiable, since Pacquiao’s style of fighting is well suitable for Mayweather’s accurate counterpunching and exceptional defensive skills. However, I do believe that Mayweather is afraid to fight Mosley, since Mosley’s experience, speed, power, solid chin, and overrall boxing skills, could prove too much for him at this stage of his career.
Roach should try to use his influence as Pacquiao’s trainer and one of the best and most respected coaches in the world today, to help make the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight. Freddie, I just cannot see any non-monetary benefit in the Pacquiao-Clottey fight for Manny. Though Clottey is not a fighter with a big name, he is a dangerous fighter.
Old $kool Playa
First and foremost, i’m a true boxing fan and i TRULY love BOTH May and Pac. I must say i really agree with you in Mayweather WAS a great lightweight, i agree that he hasn’t shown that he is a GREAT welter, but i feel the same way about Pac too. And I agree with not calling anybody a “cheat, steroid-abuser, etc, etc” without PROOF. You also SEEM to be intelligent. But what kills me about some folk MAYBE like you, is the real hate for Floyd. You make a good point in not calling Manny names which hes not, but then you calling Mayweather all kinds of “bytches”. Whats that truly about? i really want somebody, ANYBODY to explain that to me. 99% of the folk on here never even met Pac or May, yet you call them all kinds of bytches, hoes, punks, etc, etc. Its cool if you want to talk like that. Thats your right. But while you are talking like that, please dont talk about other folks intelligence or non-intelligence. Cause thats not intelligent to talk like that at all, especially for no reason. Just a thought.
@Old $kool Playa
I like that post much better
@Old $kool Playa
That’s quite funny. I only got halfway through it the first time you posted that in another article before I couldn’t stop laughing.
Why don’t you send your love letter to Mr Manny himself?
Or, instead, why not try and become a fan of boxing instead of a fan of Pacman’s nuts?
I don’t think Manny will ever pass WADA or USADA tests. WADA and USADA only have accredited labs perform tests. The test are constantly updated to new technology advances are discovered….The have a long list of illegal substances or substances that athlete should not be taking.
They require full access to the athlete. Olympic athlete are to inform the agency where they are, if they travel they have to let the agency know, during off season they have to available for tests…
They job is to clean sports and they are very powerful.. cheats can say what they want…but all the people they caught were cheaters..they caught many…some like Marion Jones end up in jail for lying under oath…
They just do tests..they don’t care about the principle of the athlete ..lol..”the athlete word” lol..pass our tests and you are clean….that’s it…
Manny would not pass USADA tests or WADA…
PBF Sr. adviced Jr. not to fight Clotty.
but PAC says bring it on!!!!!!!
@ mr.sweetsci
I know the blood given before the hatton fight was for health screening, it dosen’t change the fact he gave blood. Secondly it is a known fact that giving less than a teaspoon of blood 2 weeks before a fight will not have any effect at all. To beleive otherwise is just not logical.
havent we talked enuf about this “scared” bs already ?? the facts are fm agreed to most if not all the demands of manny* … he would not do random testing … so he said no fight … if any one is scared it is manny* sissy !! afraid of needles or hiding a secret perhaps ?? why not get pernell witaker out of retirement next to fight manny ?? people just want to see him beat anyone up !!
Who has a Welterweight World Tittle and brought boxing back?
Who has retired and wants to make money?
Who should have more say?
Let just stick to boxing cause boxing was good without Soap Ophra.
kev……some substance can get out of your system in just a few hours. whether 14 or 24 days it doesn’t matter. in order to catch a cheater you have test them everyday to make sure they are clean. it doesn’t have to be blood test though.
of course manny pacquiao has never came up hot on pPEDs he wont take a blood test unless its 30 days before the figh… you can flush some stuff out in 2 weeks let alone 30 days… come on dude lets be smart pacquiao picked the catch weight the glove weight and the fight date he cant sacrifice one “want” to make this fight happen with the 14 day cutoff you cant have everything your way boxing isnt burger king
I am a fan of both fighters, though having watched Floyd for longer, I fully appreciate his outstanding all round fighting abilities, which also helps do divert my attention away from is self-obsessed, money orientated ways. This also includes the slanderous verbal crap from his father and uncle.
I believe both fighters actually want to fight, though standing in the way of this huge event are two CEOs and two trainers who despise each other. In addition, I think Roach knows he has the upper hand, as it is Mayweather who needs Pacquiao more. I am certain this fight will happen, though not until Team Pacquiao has made Floyd wait long enough whereby Floyd is forced to fight at least one high risk fight before any super-fight takes place. Just my thoughts, feel free to comment.
@mr.sweetsci
What’s your source for this information? As far as I know, from the 2000 Olympics onwards, a combination of blood AND urine were used for the tests as WADA procedures. That would mean that ALL tests for PED’s would have to have urine AND blood. How can your figures be so different? Were the 2278 extra urine tests for PEDs?
The one who is scared is Manny…He is scared of USADA and WADA…just like all cheater…
Roger Federer the greatest tennis players of all time says of WADA and USADA…”They do what they have to do to even the playing field and to clean all international sports in the long run”..
Boxing is an international sport that has no integrity and it is governed by corrupted local commissions that favor local fighter anywhere they fight…
WADA and USADA represent the police against cheater…dopers are scared as hell of USADA and clean privicy rights….
But most clean athlete think is necessary to have clean competion.
Floyd doesnt need Pacman…Mosley is fined..
dave lahr its no brainer you dont agree with roach or any thing that the paquiao camp said.I still wonder why such hate generates from you about paquiao team?…its alaways negative when it comes to manny,you should thank them anyway couse you have something to write about!
ares….the one you saw at 24/7 hatton fight, the blood drawn from pacquiao was not intended for PEDs. it’s for licensing. NSAC wants to make sure that athletes can compete at hte highest level.
Blood test is not required by NSAC.
I don’t understand.
Can’t understand it then your GULLIBLE.
The amount of blood is already not important, what mr.sweetsci is trying to say is that Pacquiao had a bad experience with blood being drawn from him near the fight. Mayweather knows this and is using this as an advantage by playing mind games. They want to unbalance pacquiao. Ali did this, he played mind games with Frazier prior to their “The Thrilla in Manila” fight. He even famously said “It will be a killa… and a chilla… and a thrilla… when I get the gorilla in Manila.”
But, its something to call someone names, but its another thing to play on someone’s prejudices. Is it worth killing a 40 million dollar deal? There is absolutely no proof Pacquiao ever used PEDs, steroids, or whatever other drug. The Mayweather camp is insisting on olympic style drug testing purely out of Mayweather Sr’s unfounded allegations.
JP….yes they do. but blood testing is use for health screening only, not for doping. here’s a fact, in 2004 athens olympics, World Anti-Doping Agency(WADA)collected 2,969 urine samples and 691 blood samples from athletes. what does that tell you? out of the 691 blood samples only a couple wasn’t allowed to compete because health issues. out of the 2,969 urine almost 200 has been disqualified because they were tested positive on PEDs.
no way pac will lose,clottey will get ko’d much earlier than cotto,ask master roach,well at least you are a little bit fair this time,dave
grim…..random blood testing is not appropriate method for detecting PEDs. here’s why, although blood testing can detect EPO&HGH, it can not distinguish whether it’s artificial or natural. natural HGH are the HGH that the body produced. sometimes its abnormally high but the body has the ability to do that. in urine analysis, it can distinguish the difference between natural or artificial HGH. if you are tested high on HGH on urine analysis that means it came from outside source. on EPO it’s the same thing. it would be foolish for an athlete to argue if they tested positive through urine analysis.
weakened*
@jasz
The Pacman’s camp came up with lots of different reasons for not wanting the tests while agreeing to different windows.
As for feeling weak, that’s just the way Manny feels. Personally, I have an illness that requires blood to be drawn. I’ve been boxing the day after this and have never felt weekend. But then, my body isn’t as tightly tuned as Pacman’s is.
Both have their reasons. One side has their reason for asking for blood and the other has their reasons for turning down the bloodtests.
Everyone will argue until they’re blue in the face and no one will be right.
@mrsweetsci
In the olympics, they use urine tests AND blood tests. The blood is taken from the arm and it’s less than one teaspoon of blood. There are about 380 teaspoons of blood in the body.
ares…..it’s the other way around dude! the mayweather camp knows that manny is not comfortable drawing his blood. they used that(RANDOM BLOOD TESTING) as a ploy to keep manny off balance. unfortunately it didn’t work for them.
@JR,
Ok, no harm done. Yes, I was looking forward also to a Pacquiao/Mayweather fight. I just think many boxing fans are exasperated by Mayweather because of his contradictory statements. 1st, he said Pacquiao is a one-dimensional fighter who fights like an amateur and that he will easily defeat him inside the ring. Great! Them fighting words. But, when the fight seems set he comes up with a demand for olympic style blood testing. That’s BS. Their basis is purely from Mayweather Sr’s word.
Pacquiao does not want blood drawn from him near the fight bec. of his bad experience when he had blood drawn from him a few days before his 1st fight with Morales, he felt weak. I believe Mayweather’s camp is just playing mind games. If he truly believes he can defeat Pacquiao, then he better stop complaining and start fighting. If he does not want to fight Pacquiao, then at least fight Mosley. If he still doesn’t fight him and chooses some lesser fighter such as Paulie M. then he better go back to retirement. Mayweather can quack all he wants proclaiming he is the greatest fighter but it is just hollow bravado. He only proves he’s the greatest ducker of all time.
It’s like taking candy from a kid.
kid = gullible
to JR….didn’t manny agree to unlimited/random urine testing all the way up to the fight? manny didn’t refuse a drug test. what he refused was the unnecessary RANDOM BLOOD TESTING. even in the olympics, they used random urine testing for PEDS.
This fight WILL happen. I think PBF has pulled this off cleverly. Causing a lot of hype giving the fight more and more time to be advertised.
There’s too much money in this fight for both fighters, for that reason alone the fight will take place
how many times do i have to tell these people that NOBODY IS REFUSING A DRUG TEST.
@ sean
Floyd already backed down from requesting the tests up until fight night to 7 days and then again to 14 days. Pac wanted the test date cuttoff at 30 days b4 the fight then changed it to 24 days when pac was filmed on 24/7 giving blood 24 days b4 the fight with hatton. 14 days is more than a fair compromise by Floyd.
haha- freddie roach,is this y he agreed and made concesions on the money split,the date of the fight(which he first wanted in may) the size of gloves, the weight class and even agreed to pay a $10 million for every pound he came in over the limit? this is why u and ur fighter couldnt agree on a simple blood test that wouldnt evn happen within 14 days of the fight and a test which mayweather would also have to take. its pretty obvious who wanted out of the fight,they didnt waste anytime gettin clottey which makes me think they knew they werent gonna agree to anything in the supposed last 2 weeks of negotiation
Matthew
its not a petty thing to ask for your opponent to come in on weight.
Pac man did that because floyd didnt make weight with marquez.
How many advantages does floyd want.
to dave larh….what’s the point of demanding RANDOM BLOOD TESTING? please read my post below and please reply. RANDOM BLOOD TESTING is unnecessary. i’m not saying floyd is scared to manny but i think it’s floyd’s way to keep manny off balance. floyd must have done his homework unfortunately it didn’t work.
grim and ares…i agree with you guys that random testing is the only way to catch cheaters. they have to to it every if they have to. i think pacquiao has no problem with that. the problem was it’s the method they used. random blood testing has never been used in the olympics or any other major sports in the U.S. including boxing. yes they collected blood from athletes for health screening only not DOPING. they use urine analysis to detect PEDs. the demand of floyd of OLYMPIC RANDOM BLOOD TESTING never exist.
I agree with Roach.
Why would they conspire all this years on using PED.
It would take alot secrecy for them to hide it.
If someone in their camp is willing to SUE Roach for chocking just to get money. Would it be ridiculous to say that by now someone would have gone to the media to show proof or go to GBP promotions and give evidence just to get money.
Come on get real, don’t be GULLIBLE.
@ ares:
let me say it again, i would have to believed that testing matters if it’s done until the day of the fight but to argue between 14 and 24 days, there’s no significance and no proof at all..it’s just a case of trying to bully someone or reason to get out…
further more, the fact also is that jr’s advisers persuaded him to accept the 24 days cut off but to no avail, what does it mean people..
@jasz
Fair enough. I retract my ‘Pactard’ comment then. We both seem to be of the same mind set apart from when it comes to the blood tests. Let’s agree to disagree.
I was looking forward to a Pacquiao/Mayweather showdown but there’s plenty of great fights this year to enjoy with out it.
The truth of the matter is that Freddie Roach is correct in his assessment thet Floyd Mayweather is afraid of losing his “o” record to Manny Pacquiao. He could not imagine that a smaller man will give him real beating. Just take note of this: Team Pacquiao already agreed to 3 blood tests, and the last one to be conducted right after the fight, in Pacquiao’s dressing room, so what’s the difference? If before the fight Manny Pacquiao took steroids, HGH, PEDs or whatever, it will surely be detected after the fight.
@JR,
Maybe I shouldn’t have called you a Mayweather fan. Sorry if it offended you. But, I’m not a close-minded Pacquiao fan if that’s what you’re trying to imply with that “pactard” retort. Like i said before I think Mayweather is an exceptionally talented fighter but as a great fighter, No i don’t think so. Not unless he stops ducking any of the current top WW fighters. And he better drop all this BS about blood testing if the only reason they’re asking for it is because daddy mayweather got an itch somewhere and thought Pacquiao maybe on PEDs.
The Mosley/Berto fight is now off, so he’s free to fight Mayweather. Then after that if he manages to defeat Mosley he can then fight Pacquiao at last. But no more excuses and BS. But if Mayweather somehow manages not to fight Mosley again for one reason or another then he truly is a chicken.
Lockplay,
To me testing right after the fight is pointless because the damage would have already been done if Manny brutally knocks out Floyd which could end his career. The idea is to prevent a disaster from happening. Besides, PED expert Victor Conte has stated that there are certain types of PEDs that can vanish from the body within hours. Mosley never tested positive so that tells you testing after the fight isn’t very effective. They say random testing is the best method since it doesn’t really give a user a chance to study for a test.
@ lockplay
Scheduled drug testing leaves too much of a window for cheats to “cycle” the drugs out of the system. The best way to catch cheats is to have random unannounced testing.
i agree with master roach . . mayweather is scared.
First off, I’m a boxing fan. Fan of both fighers
but PBF camp backers, answer me this:
Manny agreed to taking the blood tests right after the fight. So what’s wrong with this scenario? Whatever was suspected in his system going into the fight, he would still have in his system immediately after the fight. Right?
It’s just a savvy plot by PBF camp to gain some edge both mentally and physically. they saw how it affected Manny in his first fight against Eric Morales.
@jasz
Calling me a Mayweather fan just shows that you’re a Pactard. Did you know that it’s possible to not be a fan of either boxer? Anyway, you seem to be missing my point here.
What I’m saying is, it doesn’t matter who said it, just the fact that it was said. Whether it be Floyd Sr, OJ Simpson or Tony Blair it doesn’t matter. It would still put the air of suspicion into PBF’s head. People are already thinking it which would be enough for me to want a test.
@ matthew
Exactly, Floyd asked for 154 so he had room to move in negotiations regarding the weight. Finally someone understands.
@jasz
If Floyd would have come overweight at the official weigh in there would be penalty imposed and option for the opponent to withdraw from the fight. What happens in regard to weight from the official weigh in to the fight itself is irrelevent
So what about the possibility of Pac juicing without his knowledge? Alex Ariza has stated Manny has no idea what is going into his body. He could be thinking he’s been taking clean vitamins when in fact they’re spiked with PEDs. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that Pac’s entourage is the guilty party. After all, I’m assuming the more successful Pac is, the more money they make. Also consider the fact that Roach was training James Toney at the time he was using steroids.
Not making accusations. Just raising the possibilities.
Bt if he went over 147 he wouldn’t be fighting for the title and Pacquiao would have the option of walking away from the fight.
Mayweather was never going to come in over 147.
Mayweather asked for 154 so he’s got room to maneuver in negotiations if a catchweight was asked for by Pacquiao’s team.
The fight was always going to be fought a 147.
The point is Mayweather can go beyond 147 during the official weigh in. That’s what Pacquiao is trying to prevent.
ares;
i would have to believed that testing matters if it’s done until the day of the fight but to argue between 14 and 24 days, there’s no significance and no proof at all..it’s just a case of trying to bully someone or reason to get out..
If Mayweather isn’t fighting Pacquiao at a catchweight then asking for $10 million for every pound he is over is pointless as the title.
Mayweather can make 147 comfortably so it was a petty thing to ask for in the first place.
@JR,
Sorry if you mistake my exasperation for whining and crying. Again, what “PEOPLE”? The first time i heard about this accusation is from Mayweather Sr. Before that NO ONE has accused Manny of PED use. If there was one show us the link. Its easy to use generic terms such as “people” without valid proof. But I guess I shouldn’t be surprise anymore, not from a mayweather fan.
@jasz
I think what PBF done to Marquez was wrong but Marquez could have always turned away from the fight after the weight in.
I think Ares was respoding to something Chad said which has since been removed.
jasz
Mayweather did request the fight at 154 ie. jnr. middleweight.
I dont need to check my facts because anyone that has followed the negotiations knows that was one of his requests. This is the last time i’ll respond to people who dont know jack. Im only going to respond to people who put forth educated, reasonable points.
Nice one wowzabean, your points were great. Hey ares are you crazy? What do you mean Floyd wants to fight at 154? that’s already jr. middleweight! They are fighting for the WBO welterweight belt (limit is 147) so why the hell would mayweather want a fight at 154? I don’t think floyd is that dumb to demand such thing. If he really said that then paste the link here of an article or video with him saying that or else get your facts straight.
I stated this before and i’ll state it again: Pacquiao asked for a 10 million dollars penalty for every pound over the weight limit because THERE IS A PRECEDENCE FOR THIS. The Mayweather/Marquez fight was fought at a catch weight of 144lbs. During the official weigh in, Marquez weighed in at 142lbs and Mayweather weighed in at 146lbs, as Floyd was 2 pounds over the catchweight he was fined 750 thousand dollars. Now if Mayweather came it at 144 he would still be 2lbs heavier. But, he came in 4lbs heavier. This placed Marquez at a severe disadvantage since this is the first time he fought at WW. See, what a cheat Mayweather was. He opted to pay since it was just a measly sum for him, and that’s why Pacquiao was asking for a bigger penalty.
How can people take Roach seriously?
He’s been down on Mayweather ever since he beat DLH while Roach was his trainer, the constant crap he spouts makes me cringe and when he claimed Mosley was a better draw than him I almost fell off my seat.
The only reason he’s shouting his mouth off is to try and take the distraction away from Pac refusing those blood tests, lets not forget that it was Roach who came out and said he didn’t want Manny taking them the day of the fight but was happy with a 5 day window, Mayweather offered them a 14 day window yet they still backed out and went off to negotiate a fight with Clottey who a B level fighter that hasn’t beat anyone better than Zab Judah.
Roach just looks like a hypocrite.
wowza,
Why random blood tests you ask? I say it’s because of athletes like Mosley, McGwire, ARod, etc. As you know these are superstar athletes who have tested positive for PEDs. That said, who’s to say other world class athletes aren’t juicing, especially when they’re breaking records and have vastly improved their performances within a short period of time? Back in the day blood testing for boxers was not a big deal because steroid use did not create the kind of media buzz it has today. In addition, Pac-May would be one of the biggest fights in the history of Boxing. It shouldn’t be treated like an average PPV. I don’t see anything wrong with treating it like an Olympic competition. There’s a first for everything. And in this case extra blood testing is not bizarre or unreasonable.
The request for blood tests is perfectly legal and is part of negotiation. The way I see it, Floyd was just trying to even up the playing field after making concessions. If Pac and his camp are so deathly afraid of random blood tests, they could’ve lobbied for both sides to drop all stipulations which in my opinion is a good solution. Get a third party to decide ring/glove size, penalties, etc. No need to try and gain advantages. Just jump in the ring and fight like men.
Dave Lahr, So what if Pac gets beaten up on this fight. That means he is not afraid. Exactly the opposite of Chicken Floyd.
@jasz
Ok. Despite your crying and whining, I’m still going to respond.
Mayweather Sr wasn’t the only one to say it but that’s not the point I’m getting at. What I’m saying is, PEOPLE have said it. Regardless who said it, it has been said. The doubt is there so it’s understandable why PBF would ask for these tests. Whether these accusations are true or not means nothing. The doubt is there. This isn’t PBF’s fault.
As for passing his drug tests. This argument has gone round and round. Ares has been through this already if you’re able to read more than a few comments without getting tired. People who have admitted to juicing have passed these drug tests so you’re argument is as void as Floyd is.
Personally, I think random blood tests should be standard in all of boxing. Floyd may not care about this but I hope something good comes from this for the future of boxing.
where are the constant pac bahser manuel perez and liam santiago now?
Is dave lahr the inherited successor? LOL.
@ sean
The 24 day cutoff is not good enough. Easily cheated. Manny Pacquiao has to prove he is clean, until then he will always have a cloud above his head. They agreed on purse, ring size, glove size and penalties. The blood testing should have been the easiest stipulation to agree on, but one side didnt want a bar of it. Remember it was Arum and co. that continually pronounced the fight dead even while they were still talking. Whats so hard about giving a little blood??It does not make any sence at all. We have all had blood tests, its not the hardest thing in the world to do. Boxing is the one taking a beating at the moment. I have friends that are casual fans of the sport who have written off both Manny and the sport of boxing because of this issue. When May snr. first made these allegations i laughedd them off. Pacs reaction and that of his team have me thinking otherwise. If Floyd is so scared then why not call his bluff and beat him up in the ring. It just makes no sence at all
dave lahr, you don’t like manny and yet you cannot help writing about him. please write about your li’l floyd and never mention manny again.
to all floyd fans, if floyd is not scared, he will say this: “manny, i know that you are on peds, but i don’t care! you may use whatever you want, hgh, epo, blood dope, steroids, asteroids, humanoids, androids, hemorrhoids, but i will still beat you! so come let’s fight!”
Hey JR you’re such an ignorant dumbas*. Mayweather suspects Pacquiao of using PEDs? And who told him that, the Nevada State Athletic Commission? NO! It was Mayweather Sr., who may I remind you again is a convicted drug-felon with absolutely no credibility at all. The reason his daddy cooked-up this crazy story is bec. he can’t accept that Hatton lost in a devastating matter. He can’t accept that he ain’t really the best trainor he voices himself out to be.
Again, Pacquiao has always passed his drug tests and he has never been accused of doing anything like this. So JR, better open up your mind to real FACTS and not baseless accusations from a convicted drug-dealer!
@ares;
pacquiao agreed to be blood tested 24 days before and again right after the fight so whats the problem? if only mawyweather did agree to it then the fight would have been made…mayweather’s demands are the following: weight @ 154 lbs(ridiculous), larger ring(more space to run), 60/40 split(absurd), MGM(allowing him to take drug-is that fair? considering also that jerry jones offered 25 mil to host the fight), blood testing(it should not be an issue bcoz there’s a commission who’s looking after the matter yet pacquiao agreed 24 days before and agian right after the fight so what’s the problem?)….pacquiao’s demands 10 mil penalty(rightly so! do i have to explain?), 8oz gloves, so what? whatever the size if he is confident of beating pacquiao then? he’s just scared of being knocked-out…now his uncle is agian talking a lot of rubbish..how on earth people with a right mind believed what these people are saying!! c’mon..
@ chad
Texas does not test for banned substances unless there is suspition
Xylocaine is only illegal if used within a month of a fight
Floyd initialy asked for the fight at 154
chad didnt know jack about boxing until paccroid burst onto the scene
THESE ARE ALL FACTS
@ chad
Texas athletic commision DOES NOT do any testing at all-FACT
xylocaine is only illegal if used within a month of a fight-FACT
chad is a fool that didnt know boxing until his countryman Pacroid became a champion-FACT,
Floyd initialy wanted the fight at 154-FACT,
you cant argue with fact guys
@ Ash
Floyd is asking Mosley for same tests and very future opponent
@ chad wtf are you on about? Ina jail cell with bubba?? stop watching movies
@wowzabean
I don’t have the time to check for old articles at the moment so for arguments sake, let’s just say it was only Mayweather Sr.
Despite who it is, the suspicion is still there. The rumour has been put out there so why would PBF not want to check up on this?
Why would he not want to follow through when Pacman came out with BS excuses?
You’re allowed to have a different opinion on who’s fault you think it was but there’s no need to be rude about it. It suggests to me that you don’t come from a good educational background.
wowzabean
Floyd wantd the fight at 154. I know the ww limit. I dont think Pac does by the way h won his ww title (at 145) secondly there are penaltys for coming in overweight and marquez could have pulled out because of this fact. ANd TYson asked holyfield for these exact same tests, judah asked mosley, lennox asked holyfield. its not unprecidented and my boxing knowledge seems to extend further than yours. anything else i can enlighten you with?
The fight is over for the mean time…….get over it….who the hell cares anymore. Move on with your life. Get yourself a girlfriend. Don’t be a bum, sitting on your couch and keep complaining about the fight not happening. Live a life. There is more out there than Maywether-Pacquiao.
Pac finally found out he cant bully everyone and that negotiations are give/take. $10mil. per pound?-yep, fight at 147?-yep, 8 ounce gloves?-no problem. Lets check if we are both clean?-WTF? im scared of needles, im superstitious, im feel weakened, why does May make the rules……PEOPLE REMEMBER FLOYD WILL BE SUBJECTED TO SAME TESTS NO ADVANTAGE…Wowzabean, Even if it is a ridiculous demand, why not just take it, because Pac’s posturing and multiple excuses are even more ridiculous
Guys, guys. Stop bashing on Floyd. Look, he is one of kind. He is a ducker, cherry-picker, a coward, a trash-talker, a prima donna, self-righteous – all rolled into one. Nobody in the history of boxing has done that except him. So props to Floyd – the unanimous winner of Coward of Boxing award.
Debate is useless. Flo is scared because he is a fraud.
Wowzabean,
There was never an implication that Mosley was using. He, like Manny always tested clean. In my opinion Floyd could not have possibly used this as a tool to get out of the fight because Roach had come out and said they’ll have no problem with any kind of test. It was after all other sticking points were agreed to, did drug testing become a problem. My point being is that if Floyd wanted to get out of the fight, he would have had to bring some other excuse up, not something Roach said no problem to.
Reality is you cannot 100% clean up that PEDs. You just don’t have the resources. If you want to clean up, then check all athletes everyday of the year… feasible? This cleaning up self righteous ideal is total BS, you have to bring up on a 2 man sport, one time match, 40 million?
A brave boxer should have fight under existing ‘rules’ and never demand additional testing, otherwise just stop boxing if you don’t agree with the rules!
@wowzabean
People in the world of Pro Boxing were already raising eyebrows and suspecting Manny of being on PEDS before the Cotto fight and before Mayweather said anything.
If I was going to fight someone and I heard these rumours (and also knew what a shambles the current tests are), I would request the tests too.
If that person then comes up with different BS excuses not to take the tests then I would suspect him even more and I wouldn’t back down.
Challenger Flo demanding on the champ Pac? Now look what happened.
I could be wrong but i don’t remember floyd asking any of his other opponents for this test !
He remarked that manny had nothing to lose in this fight and he had an unbeaten record .
Could the possibility that the record could go make him question taking the fight ?
He has enough money !
I wish Roach would just STFU. He always talks BS.
I don’t see why PBF should give someone he suspects of being a CHEAT his biggest payday ever.
STUPID BLOOD ISSUES? If you think checking to see if athletes are using PED’s is a stupid issue then i rest my case. Every sport lover should demand these tests.
SIMPLE…Flo has to bring up that random blood test… in short, he is SCARED. You are a fool to force the issue of a non standard random blood test for a 40 million fight… not the other way around.
@ chad
Xylocaine is not illegal in any state. Its illegal to use it within on month of a fight. Check your facts. Typical Pactard not knowing jack.
Pac had been in wars, battle tested constantly challenging himself on each fight. For Pretty Floyd, long lay-off and a no contest JMM tune up. We don’t know if Flo is still legit or a fraud. But he will be exposed by Mosley if takes the fight. Either way, Pac will totally dominate him. ‘You won’t like Pac when he is angry’.
The only way to find out if Floyd is scared is to just take the tests. Boxing has been given a black eye not only because the two best fighters couldn’t get a deal done, but also because the so-called P4P best won’t agree to simple Random drug testing. Fans of sport in general cant fathom why he refused. It might not be a commision rule but everyone should know by now that their drug testing policies are not the most stringent. And for Pacs next fight he will be fighting in Texas where there is no drug testing at all. Boxing has no credibility when it comes to drug testing.
Manny should fight Mosley after Clottey… and maybe Foreman after that, then retire, leaving floyd out in the cold.
the thing is if mayweather accepted the 24 days then the fight would have been made..pacquiao agreed to be blood tested right after the fight anyway..
I think the demand for blood tests was completely dumb. Sign the fight, get it on, end of. To suddenly demand blood tests is disrespectful to all of Pacquiaos achievements as a top boxer.
Why are you even trying to defend Mayweather? He is a fight dodger who has never cleaned up a division.
I don’t think that is so much that Mayweather is scared of Pacquiao, or even Mosley but more a case of being scared of losing his undefeated record………?
Although I do think that both Mosley and especially Pacquiao are more the capable of beating Floyd
Although I’ll be the first to fork out 50 or 60 dollars or whatever the asking price is if this fight does eventually take place. But with the breakdown in negotiations it was like presenting a little kid with an ice cream bar and then snatching it from him before he has his first bite…..just a big big letdown and dissapointment
Good post, fair and balanced out, i think lots of people/fans misunderstood the whole situation of this fight, it`s sad and funny to see the remarks/comments people give on Floyd/Manny and supposedly hardcore boxing fans, it should not be like that.
who cares anymore…. these two have given boxing another black eye…. gone are the days when champions faced the no 1 contender and that was it….