Roach hints that Pacquiao could fight Mayweather in the future
January 10th, 2010
By Chris Williams: After Manny Pacquiao and his management team suddenly pulled out of their planned March 13th fight with unbeaten Floyd Mayweather Jr. last week because of the random drug testing methods for the fight, it shot an arrow through what many boxing experts feel would have been the biggest fight of all time. Pacquiao, who would have possibly made $40 million on the fight, walked away from that money because he didn’t want to have blood taken from him inside 24 days from the fight.
Pacquiao will face Clottey, and then after that Roach says that he wants Pacquiao to face the winner of the January 30th bout between Andre Berto and Shane Mosley. However, after Pacquiao fights the winner of that bout, the opponents for him will start thinning out to the point where Pacquiao and his management team might need to consider fighting Mayweather.
Floyd is the biggest name out for Pacquiao, and unless Manny wants to stick around and fight another two years to make the same amount of money he’d make in one fight against Mayweather, they need to try and work out their differences with Mayweather instead of walking away from negotiations and fighting a much less popular fighter.
I think they shot themselves in the foot by not fighting Mayweather. It’s nice to want to stick to your guns and all, but when you walk away from a deal that would have made huge money like the Mayweather fight would have, it doesn’t make sense.
As far as I’m concerned, I think that move hurt boxing, as well as both fighters. If you have a fighter like Mayweather willing to bargain and a huge world wide audience that wants to see the fight, you got to stick it out and work out the differences instead of moving on. Who knows what will happen with Mayweather. He could turn around and get beaten by one of his next opponents, and then all hope for a fight between Pacquiao and Mayweather would be completely lost.
Roach says “I do think it will happen eventually. I don’t think that either one of them has many other options out there if they want to keep fighting the big fights.” You can say that again. If Pacquiao is serious about wanting to get out of boxing and make a career in politics, then he should go the last yard to take the fight with Mayweather.
Pacquiao is going to take a lot of punishment in his fights with Clottey, Berto or Mosley, and by the time that Manny gets through those bouts, he might not have enough left to beat a fighter like Mayweather. If Roach is serious about Pacquiao fighting the winner of the Mosley-Berto fight next, it means that Pacquiao is going to be facing two grueling bouts back to back.
Pacquiao may win them, but Clottey and Berto/Mosley are fights that could take their toll on Pacquiao. He won’t be able to walk through those guys like he did Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton. Pacquiao will get hit a lot in those fights, win or lose. I think if Roach and company want Pacquiao to be competitive with Mayweather, they need to go after him immediately instead of taking on the Mosley-Berto winner.
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For me, the Pac-Mayweather fight has already sailed. I’m tired of hearing all of the controversy. Either they want to fight and make money or not. They chose not, so let’s just move on.
CONDEMNING A PERSON LIKE MANNY PACQUIAO WITHOUT TRIAL IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG IN A PROCEDURAL LAW. IT HAS BEEN SEEN THAT HE IS MORE THAN WILLING TO BE TESTED BOTH BLOOD AND URINE. IN MY PERSONAL VIEW IS PLAIN AND SIMPLE. IF HE TAKES ENHANCING DRUG, HE WOULD NOT HAVE CONSENTED TO SUCH TEST TO THIS DAY IN THE FIRST PLACE. THAT IS THE LOGIC. IT IS THEN UNDERSTANDABLE THAT HE’S HIDING SOMETHING FOLLOWING THAT INFERENCE. LET US USE OUR COMMON SENSE. THIS IS THE REALITY. PLEASE DO NOT GUESS, PRESUME AND ACCUSE AN INNOCENT PERSON.
Manny is making the biggest mistake of his life in refusing to accept the fair and professional proposal of the simple blood test put forward by the Mayweather team. To the disinterested person, it appears that Manny is hiding something. What is his fear? There should be no logical fear in taking a simple test, for a man who considers himself the best fighter in the world. He stands to lose more than Floyd, since he is one of the few fighters today, who probably can match Floyd in speed, and possibly beat him. No other fighter today, can generate the amount of money that Floyd can, for Manny. If he loses to Floyd in a very competitive fight, he will still be considered one of the top fighters in the world; probably placed at number 2. However, if he loses to someone like Clottey, his image wil take a severe beating.
On the other hand, it is unlikely that Floyd will lose to a fighter of lower caliber, since he is so defensively strong. Mosley would likely pose more problems for Manny than he would for Floyd, since it is much easier to hit Manny; Mosley can match Manny in power and speed, and he (Shane) probably has the best chin in the welterweight division. Mosley’s boxing skills are also superior to Pacquiao’s, while they are at best, equal to Mayweather’s. While Paul Williams would pose a very serious threat to both Floyd and Manny, as was noticeable in the Williams-Martinez fight, Paul has problems with a slick boxer. Martinez gave him serious trouble. While Paul would likely find it difficult to hit Floyd, that would not be the case with Manny. Paul and Manny would likely be trading blows, but Paul has a significant advantage in reach and could create a Foreman-Frazier-like scenario where the uppercut would be a very effective weapon for him. Manny is vulnerable to the uppercut.
One can therefore reasonably conclude that Manny is making a colossal mistake in walking away from the proposed fight with Mayweather.
Pac fans who probably don’t have that much money anyway would walk too, just to make a point…lol…I don’t buy it either.
Will Pacman take random tests usign a 24 days cut off day for this fight?
Yall kill me talking like pac jus walked away from 50 mill jus to prove a point,yea right he done it cause he was dirty. We inna resession he’s contry is poor as hell so how do u walk from 50 mill?Like i thought,silence
Pac is on roids
IN FAIRNESS TO BOTH MANNY PACQUIAO AND FLOYD MAYWEATHER AND TO ALL FANS OF THE TWO BEST RING FIGHTERS OF THE WORLD, THIS IDEA CAME TO MY MIND. IT IS A SERIOUS PROPONENT TO GAGE THE TRUTH. BOTH FIGHTERS SHOULD ABIDE BY THE RULE AND TRUE TO THEIR WORDS WITH PREEMINENT SERIOUSNESS.
I HAVE BEEN A SILENT NEUTRAL OBSERVER EVERSINCE BOXING MATCHUP BETWEEN MANNY PACQUIAO AND FLOYD MAYWEATHER LOOMED IN VARIOUS NEWSPAPERS AND TELEVISION NETWORKS WORLDWIDE. TO FIND THE TRUE COLOR WHO IS REALLY BEHIND PLOTTING TO AVERT THE BOXING MATCHUP TO A STANDSTILL OR NOT TO HAPPEN BETWEEN THESE TWO PROMINENT CONTENDING PROTAGONISTS IN BOXING ARENA. AND SINCE BOTH DO NOT WANT TO CONCEDE TO OTHER’S DEMAND, WHY NOT PERFORM THE BLOOD AND URINE TESTING RIGHT AFTER BOXING BOUT IS OVER WITH AN STIPULATION IN WRITING THAT WHOEVER FOUND OR PROVEN TO BE POSITIVE OF DRUG ENHANCING SUBSTANCE, A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THEIR PRIZE MONEY (100%,75%, 50% 25%)DEPENDING ON THEIR AGREEMENT IS FORFEITED IN FAVOR OF THE OTHER PARTY. THIS SHOULD BE SIGNED BY BOTH MANNY PACQUIAO AND MAYWEATHER AS WELL AS THEIR LAWYERS REPRESENTING THEM IN THE PRESENCE OF TWO MATERIAL WITNESSES IRREGARDLESS WHOEVER WINS. BASED ON THIS DOCUMENTED COVENANT, IF ANY ONE REFUSES AND THE OTHER PARTY IS AGREEABLE, THE PUBLIC MAY DECIDE WHO IS TO BE BLAMED. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ABOVE MENTIONED PRECEPT, ONE WHO DISAGREES, IS HE WHO IS ACTUALLY HINDERING THE FIGHT NOT TO HAPPEN. AT LEAST THEN WE CAN ASCERTAIN OR DETERMINE THE TRUE COLOR OF ONE GUY INSTEAD OF FOREVER GUESSING WHO IS THE ROOT CAUSE OF THIS IMPASSE. IN SUCH EVENT IF BOTH FOUND NEGATIVE OF DRUG USAGE, THE TIME HONORED TRADITION OF BOXING REGULATION SHOULD PREVAIL. THANK YOU.
P.S. PLEASE PUBLISH THIS COMMENTARY FOR PUBLIC JUDGMENT.
Hey Freddie & Pac; don’t lose sleep over Mayweather.
Fact: Floyd has only fought two udersized guys (Hatton & Marquez) in the last two years. I really don’t know why were even talking about him any longer.
one performance enhancing drugs manny used is what we called “Tinolang Bisayang Manok” (native chicken soup) it gives him much strength. thats why manny punch so hard that makes kentucky floyd chicken runs.
Hi Roy, that was a bit confusing!!!
One thing I will say about the pac and may fans. Although they say thing like “Pac will kill May” or “May will school Pac”, deep down they know it’s gonna be a great contest.
1) That’s why you’d wanna see it. If u know in advance it would be very one sided there would be little interest value
2) No matter how much of a bigmouth Floyd is, if he isn’t a great challenge for Pac, you wouldn’t be so excited to see him get his mouth shut for him
I can’t pick this one. I see Pac TKO late or May on points; it’s such an intriguing matchup both on the skills/boxing level as well as all the hype/media/negotiation difficulties etc that you just WANT badly to see it go ahead, or you’ll feel like there was something important missing in your life. I use “you” in the generic sense, no you specifically, Roy.
floyd dont want it.
floyd opponents
paulie again blasted pac, and he call out mayweather,but …………….. he said I respect mayweather as one of the greatest, and I would like to test myself against him. ha……
second times I heard a fighter say this to floyd,when boxing as in the top 10 you need to give 110%. that 10% decide it,
that is like saying, I will try my best,but if I see myself over my head, I know you are the greatest so please don’t humiliate me,I only box part time ,I other job is a loud mouth NY taxi driver,and I need the money.I can make it look good,
Hehe I’m sure you didn’t mean PBF vs Mayweather there but if you ask me, it has been PBF vs Mayweather. I.e. he’s been shooting himself in the foot. So what if Pac is on steroids, he’s still smaller than May. Roids won’t make him a faster, more accurate puncher. They’ll befuddle his mind and make him less balanced in his in-fight thought process. Potentially detrimentally aggressive. On balance, I’m not convinced performance enhancing drugs can be a big help in a sport that requires some precision, unless you are seriously under-strength. If for the sake of argument, we assume Pac is under-strength w/o drugs, then he would have to be on them long term. This would have to have negative side effects. As far as I can tell, Pac is not suffering from these.
And even if Pac is using drugs, if May thinks he’s significantly better than Pac, then he should be confident to fight him for the $40m without caring about the drug factor. Alternatively, if he thinks it’s so easy to test negative while taking drugs with a 24 day window, then he can “even the playing field” by taking drugs himself. Is he so moralistic that he would avoid them on principle; or is he afraid of potential side effects? I doubt the former and suspect the latter.
I think Pac, great fighter though he is, may be not 100% rational in his decision as well. He’s letting pride get in the way of possibly the biggest fight in history. He’s worried that giving Floyd the psychological advantage can tip the balance in Floyd’s favor. A shame; I will give Manny part of the responsibility for torpedo-ing this fight. You can’t just blame Floyd. Anyone who thinks it’s 100% one guy’s fault is being biased. Either could have conceded – we are talking about a difference in timeline of 10 days; all other points I’m assuming have been agreed (I could be wrong in that).
Good ole Kentucky Floyd Chicken.
Too many variables for Floyd vs Pacman in 2010.
Heard FLoyd wants to fight Shane (via GBP but not from Floyd) but Shane is fight Berto so he needs to get by him first. Look at Roy Jones Jr. It can happen
If Shane vs Floyd is on, the Floyd needs to get by Shane.
If Pacman gets by Clottey, then the PBF vs Mayweather is basically a bigger fight than before. BUT again to many variables or planets to align to make it work.
First off PAC YOU! To all of the posts saying Manny is a Cheater! Plain & simple I have had blood drawn numerous times in the past few years. Getting ones blood drawn can make some people light headed. Not saying Manny is a fainting type when it comes to getting stuck with a needle, but the toughest people have when stuck.
I stand by what I have posted on other sites; that the only performance enhancing product Manny might consume is called BALUT! It is a delicacy from Asia, which is the unborn duck fetus still in an egg. When Fear Factor was on NBC Balut eggs were used a few times as a challenge to win $50,000! Amazingly one egg contains an Excellent amount of raw protein!
It has been rumored that Floyd was at the Pacquiao vs Cotto bout. In my opinion Floyd was SCARED of how powerful Manny’s(my countryman) punches were & multiple angles that connected. In the long run Floyd will need Manny as his Cash Money flow dries up! Being Undefeated does not mean a thing unless you have faced the best there is in your sport! Face it Floyd, the Greatest Fighters other than Rocky Marciano were not undefeated! Besides in your amature career you did lose at least once!
Mark my words Floyd does not have the cahones to step in the ring with Sugar Shane Mosley!Now if he does he will lose, cause he is not an active puncher, & Shane will punch him senseless!
Now it will be determined by the next fights who will have more clout for when negotiations start up again! Pacquiao vs Clottey on March 13 in Cowboy Stadium & which ever boxer Golden Boy can find that will be willing to be stuck numerous times by needles & have Floyd out weigh them via the Marquez fight last September!
Regardless all the WWE/TNA style taunting should be put aside and let their punches to the talking! Especially with the blood testing, which was a possible factor in Manny’s lose to Erik Morales, when blood was required to be drawn since Manny’s original results were lost. Let the best pound for pound fighter prove who is the undisputed #1!
Lastly Mayweather Jr. has said that legacy does not pay the bills, must have forgotten how much CASH MONEY Cassius Clay aka Muhammed Ali has made over the decades since his last bout via his LEGACY!
I meant Floyd vs Pacman is dead.
testicularfortitude,
Well said, I said something similar in one of my previous posts. If you think Manny “opting out” of a $40mill fight shows signs of him being guilty you all are sadly mistaken. The man has a grander mission in life, and appeasing Floyd’s ego is nowhere on that list.
Floyd always finds a way to avoid fighting someone he will lose too. It was floyd trying to change the rules not Manny.Boxing has its test already established.If manny had agreed the coward floyd would have found something else to cry about and avboid the fight.
thomas,
No Floyd’s bullox. Who the hell calls a fighter out as an easy fight and a one dimensional fighter, then won’t sign the paperwork. Manny would subject to 3 tests, none of which he had to do. Mayweather found a way to opt out. Ironically when the fight is officially off Mayweather starts running his mouth again, give me a break.
Mayweather vs. Mosley, never gonna happen unless Mosley loses against Berto, or has trouble fighting him. If Mosley schools Berto, you better believe Money May runs for the hills.
Mr. Williams, are u trying to salvage pbf career with your clamoring: win loose or draw, the dallas fight with clottey could very well be pac’s last fight, depending on what happens in the election in may…you have to understand, the man is more than just an atg boxer, but a man of history, on a mission to help his people the best way he can, whether it be fighting as a professonal boxer for his countrymen’s pride or serving them as a political servant in the equally cruel world of politics…
the closest great figure in sport and sociopolitical history, a figure much part of the circumstances of his times as pacman is to our times, is Ali, who readily gave years of his time in boxing during jim crow south and refused to be drafted in a ‘white man’s’ war in south vietnam, at once a political statement against a war he saw as an extension of french colonialism, and a religious principle as a convert to the nation of islam…
If Pac and Ali were unprincipled men of money and pleasure…yes, they would not walk away from such scheme of men that promises great fame and fortune…
But these are men of grand souls and magnificent characters bestowed to grace us at these times in our history who are governed by more than our petty greed and ego…
Why is floyd v mosley dead elloco?? They are both GBP, maybe you mean pac v mosley is dead and if you meant that then i agree.
GBP does want to do business with Arum unless there is no choice. Floyd vs Mosley is dead.
Roach should just shut the f@@k up and move on. He
should worry about this fight now. Floyd wanted this fight and steroid boy walked. He’s a cheat.
wowzabean thats bollox.. manny said 24 days… floyd said 14… manny said screw you.
i agree with the read i think manny mite run low on needed fuel for a mayweather fight
Elloco,
Show proof before you post again. Chris, Floyd opted out of the fight, not Manny, not Roach, not Arum. After mediation Pac signed and Mayweather dropped the ball.
I hate to tell the pac fans but if mosley beats berto then mosley will choose to fight may and not pac leaving pac $hit out of luck. There are already reports circulating that may and mosley will fight in may.
How do you walk away from the fight in the last 20 years b/c you are afraid to take a blood test. Time will
Uncover the cheat.
Floyd doesn’t need this cheat in his resume. He refuse now why fight in the future. I don’t think many fans will support the cheat in Dallas.